| 00:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 00:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if tshark can see those ICMP packets on the phonet interface |
| 00:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or if it's already the TCP stack inside modem to handle them |
| 00:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (talking about N900 here) |
| 00:13.36 | ds2 | tshark or wireshark? |
| 00:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73753&highlight=wireshark+isi |
| 00:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wireshark1.4.4_ISI/readme.txt |
| 00:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | even knows to dissect GPS packets |
| 00:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 00:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | partially |
| 00:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I can't recall if it sees inbount ping for example |
| 00:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly inbound packets with martian or foreign IP |
| 00:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | for which a normal NIC would need promiscuous mode |
| 00:23.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not too deep on GSM IP stack and implementation |
| 00:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just think that a lot of the stack runs on modem, not on APE |
| 00:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the carriers recently have a problem, since they offered their braindamaged "wireless DSL" boxen |
| 00:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | while a mobile embedded device does NOT want to get exposed to global internet (I.E: "NAT me *please*"), for those stationary mains-powered "wireless DSL" gadgets the exact opposite is true: users expect to see a "standard" DSL network connection, incl P2P sharing and all |
| 00:31.34 | ds2 | interesting |
| 00:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | a sane carrier will offer a way to config what to do doe your particular modem / IMSI / IMEI. AKA "NAT configuration" |
| 00:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/doe/for/ |
| 00:34.01 | ds2 | sane carriers do not exists outside of a lab |
| 00:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | most of them don't, though |
| 00:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 00:34.34 | ds2 | does the 3G network natively run IP? |
| 00:34.41 | ds2 | you seem to be alluding to them doing that |
| 00:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard in Finland there once must've been one |
| 00:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, IIRC 3G is actually IP |
| 00:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4G for sure is |
| 00:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough this might mean less of the stack is running on the modem |
| 00:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 2G the modem runs a stack that offers a network card to userspace, more or less. while the modem does all the PPPoE or whatever low layers |
| 00:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even low layers of IP stack iirc |
| 00:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 3G/4G iirc the situation is different since OTA is TCP/IP basically, so the modem is just a "dumb PHY" |
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| 00:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | all this is very fuzzy and don't quote me on any of it |
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| 00:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 14:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems we're pretty stalled |
| 14:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 1000 orders goal seems not happening |
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| 15:10.58 | obesd | damn |
| 15:11.10 | obesd | i wish neo900s where at every corner store |
| 15:11.25 | obesd | maybe we need a super cool awesome blog post somewhere, including cool posting and marketing |
| 15:11.27 | obesd | and a slashdot link :) |
| 15:13.03 | obesd | or a freedom loving telco (haha, yeah right!) to carry a line of neo900s |
| 15:13.39 | obesd | i do wonder though, if there is some tech/nerd district or country, with a similar technerd carrier somewhere, somewhere on the planet, who would love to carry neo900 |
| 15:15.34 | obesd | im curious how the microphone in the neo900 is physically wired, is it to the baseband somehow? it also seems replicant seems to omit mention of how the mic/baseband is connected for the devices they support. so far ive actually only seen phones with a mic plugged into the baseband |
| 15:15.54 | obesd | perhaps they need that to make gsm calls |
| 15:16.34 | obesd | Maybe a well publicised kickstarter would help? somehow ubuntu raised millions for their phone effort |
| 15:18.01 | obesd | they used indiegogo |
| 15:18.09 | obesd | i see in the topic there was a neo fundraiser too |
| 15:23.26 | archtimmy | obesd: regarding the mic: http://neo900.org/faq#privacy |
| 15:24.51 | obesd | thank you archtimmy |
| 15:27.55 | obesd | DocScrutinizer05, archtimmy: maybe those guys who split from nokia to make a new maemo based OS will want some neo900 phones paired with their maemo-based OS and i believe they already have a carrier wanting to support them in finland |
| 15:30.15 | ShadowJK | Those guys are already shipping a phone |
| 15:30.18 | obesd | oh damn |
| 15:30.23 | obesd | was just searching for that actually |
| 15:30.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish they would finally show my payment on my order page |
| 15:31.06 | ShadowJK | mysteriously they no longer accept paypal |
| 15:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? |
| 15:31.54 | obesd | surely there must be 1 carrier, somewhere in the world. japan, south korea? blablablanamecountry? |
| 15:32.10 | obesd | europe |
| 15:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | forgetit |
| 15:32.27 | obesd | foggedaboudit |
| 15:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't even build the number of devices they would want - IF they would want such devices |
| 15:33.17 | obesd | hehe i see |
| 15:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can build maybe 1000, maybe even 5000. That's no numbers for those carriers |
| 15:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they can't sell it to their customers |
| 15:35.30 | obesd | yeah maybe they are a smaller carrier, niche market somewhere, culturally appropriate, maybe they want a run of 5000 phones and thats it, i dunno |
| 15:35.51 | obesd | im thinking surely there must be some place on earth like this |
| 15:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're more than welcome to find that niche |
| 15:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:36.23 | obesd | well lets see if i can see anything :) (will take some time:) |
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| 15:40.41 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; emailed care about payment? |
| 15:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 15:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got a proper payment confirmation mail from them |
| 15:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I think I did |
| 15:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | From: "service@paypal.de" <service@paypal.de> Sie haben eine Zahlung über 314,01 EUR an Jolla Oy (gatis.janeks@jollamobile.com) gesendet. |
| 15:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | jolla sent HTML-MAIL!!!! >:-( >> Your Order #200001553 (placed on November 25, 2013 4:26:16 PM EET) << |
| 15:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | suckers! |
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| 15:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL! http://shop.jolla.com/checkout/cart/ has my order |
| 15:46.33 | obesd | i didnt mean jolla |
| 15:46.38 | obesd | there was another group hmm, more obscure |
| 15:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://join.jolla.com/en/profile >>My Orders<< DOESNT |
| 15:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | SUCKERS!! |
| 15:48.03 | ShadowJK | "Newkia" is nokia asia refugees making an android phone |
| 15:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | abysmal customer relationship as usual |
| 15:49.46 | obesd | hehe |
| 15:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they don't want to send me a device, since they already know I just will take it apart and rveal they bought from Foxcon |
| 15:52.37 | obesd | lol |
| 15:52.44 | obesd | need to buy under anon :) |
| 15:53.44 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; I'd be surprised if it was as fancy and highend as foxcon ;) |
| 15:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 15:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw recently it seems people have data about the I2C TOH expansion slot. Wonder where from they got those |
| 15:55.04 | ShadowJK | jolla posted on tmo, iirc |
| 15:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | did I miss the tweet where Jolla published the specs? |
| 15:55.27 | ShadowJK | i2c 400kHz, do your own i2cget/whatever |
| 15:55.41 | ShadowJK | 3.3V out, 5V in, interrupt pin |
| 15:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 15:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | even an IRQ |
| 15:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3.3V permanent? |
| 15:56.38 | ShadowJK | seems so |
| 15:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | harly more than 50mA |
| 15:56.50 | ShadowJK | 100mA max recommended |
| 15:57.00 | ShadowJK | 200mA permissible |
| 15:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell, an LDO might do |
| 15:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | where from you got that data? |
| 15:57.59 | ShadowJK | Iirc they posted to tmo |
| 15:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD |
| 15:58.31 | ShadowJK | Also random people in #jollamobile ask now and then, and then people link them picture of all the pins |
| 15:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 15:59.09 | ShadowJK | And someone measured the dimensions with calipers |
| 15:59.15 | ShadowJK | but no 3D model yet |
| 15:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked stskeeps since I planned to build a hw kbd TOH, and answer been zilch |
| 16:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | *produce*, not build |
| 16:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck jolla |
| 16:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't want any community contribution, either way |
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| 16:02.36 | ShadowJK | probably arguing with foxcon/whomever. "plz give us 3d model" - "no you can bnot have mold" |
| 16:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 16:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 16:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt they even tried. Otherwise you'd think they would answer inquiries |
| 16:04.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but for jolla customers are good for getting money from them, otherwise the whole "community" hype is a big hoax |
| 16:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | customers are annoying |
| 16:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly like Nokia ever been |
| 16:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse maybe |
| 16:06.04 | ShadowJK | Yesterday I was flaming about lack of flasher utility |
| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how long it takes til jollaphone schematics will 'leak' - if they ever do |
| 16:06.27 | ShadowJK | and the response was more or less "Yeah it sucks, wish we had thought of it sooner, too late now" |
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| 16:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL, LOSERS |
| 16:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly their design doesn't *allow* flashing via USB ;-P |
| 16:08.56 | ShadowJK | Apparently there's a key you can press on powerup and the rom will boot from a different partition |
| 16:09.01 | ShadowJK | (which is empty) |
| 16:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if they eventually will ship a JTAG fixture to reflash those bricks |
| 16:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 16:09.53 | ShadowJK | Nah, developer mode voids warranty, so they just charge for flashing them \o/ |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 16:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic fail |
| 16:11.06 | ShadowJK | It's pretty much android type boot |
| 16:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, they didn't need somebody like me to proofread their design |
| 16:12.21 | ShadowJK | Also, considering their "install on any device" future plans, having too different hw from regular android phones would've been bad |
| 16:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 16:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I have nfc about "android boot" |
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| 16:13.50 | ShadowJK | I have a feeling after learning, desk will impact head |
| 16:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
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| 16:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | regrets the 300^H^H^H 413EUR paid for that brick |
| 16:17.36 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; portrait mode only |
| 16:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 16:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to send it back after 6 days, asking for *full* refund |
| 16:20.33 | anYc | maybe they plan to provide an own kbd oth |
| 16:20.54 | ShadowJK | Hardly |
| 16:21.23 | anYc | y? |
| 16:21.35 | ShadowJK | I havent been able to get specs to make my brethalyzer+eink TOH either :D |
| 16:21.46 | anYc | :) |
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| 17:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, seems today will be first day with ZILCH donations/preorders |
| 17:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | still waits for the Zeit-Online article about Neo900. And today we got an inquiry from german LinuxUser mag |
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| 17:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo dos1 |
| 17:34.53 | dos1 | móó |
| 17:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: first day with zero donations ;-( |
| 17:35.24 | dos1 | time for some news I guess? |
| 17:35.56 | dos1 | new photos + multitouch? |
| 17:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | do we have new photos? |
| 17:36.13 | dos1 | yup |
| 17:36.27 | dos1 | Nikolaus posted on some ml |
| 17:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Neo900 puts an end to the <<resistive touchscreen can't do multitouch>> myth" |
| 17:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 17:37.24 | dos1 | http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/community/2013-December/000664.html |
| 17:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, the content of the package shipping to me :-) |
| 17:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I guess it's about time for another newsletter |
| 17:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I planned that multitouch thingie since ~5 years now |
| 17:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even did research on other possible completely new principles to achive multitouch on resistive, but I always knew THIS simple mathematical approach can get done, and it basically only needs 4 GPIO and 4 ADC inputs on SoC |
| 17:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and two resistors |
| 17:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | err 2 ADC |
| 17:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'd probably raher use a proper constant current source and a multiplexer and one ADC |
| 17:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway now we got zhis fine chip |
| 18:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: and maybe place the friggin molex 64pin conn problem on top, or as 2nd headline. "Project asking for help on sourcing this Molex component: 500216471blablaURLpdf - if anybody can help us to find this important component, please contact us per eamil or on IRC. Maybe you know a friend who's working for Molex or for a supplier or a company which has a 500 or 1000 of those surplus" |
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| 18:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | "when you find some page on Alibaba.com or wherever that claims to deliver this component, please make sure they ACTUALLY do, before sending the link to us" |
| 18:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll edit the tmo post where I answered the tinfoil-hat guy who asked for FCC approval, adding this link http://download.goldelico.com/neo900/images/DSC01803.JPG |
| 18:29.20 | FIQ | <DocScrutinizer05> "Neo900 puts an end to the <<resistive touchscreen can't do multitouch>> myth" |
| 18:29.29 | FIQ | why is carriers still using capacitive anyway? |
| 18:29.42 | FIQ | given that... yeah, that, and the fact that there's no precision at all with capacitive screens |
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| 19:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | to all those dudes that love to say "nevermind approval of radio stack aka 'firmware' of the modem": |
| 19:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Joaquim Barbosa, N2KBJ, of Elizabeth, New Jersey was issued a Forfeiture Order stating that he must pay $16,000 for “willfully and repeatedly violating Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended by operating a radio transmitting equipment on the frequency 296.550 MHz without Commission authorization.”<< |
| 19:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the frequency is irrelevant |
| 19:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a crime basically everywhere on this globe to operate a RF transmitter without permission resp approval of the equipment |
| 19:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and authorities are not knowing any humor regarding that |
| 19:27.01 | hbib | to the display connector: is this just a plastic with some wires or does it have some "chip" inside? |
| 19:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | tha former |
| 19:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/536/ |
| 19:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/5000246471/5000246471-ND/2818746 |
| 19:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/5000246491/5000246491-ND/2818747 <- alternative |
| 19:34.27 | hbib | would it be thinkable to solder it directly or just use an other connector with an other cable or some sort of adapter? (only in case that there is really no connector left? |
| 19:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | we were not able to come up with a feasible idea yet |
| 19:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | except of building flex cables to custom, or let them rework so they come with another connector |
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| 19:54.14 | badcloud | is there a poll for choice of modem? |
| 20:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not yet |
| 20:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, he must've been in a hurry |
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| 20:56.35 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: do you want me to continue negotiating a good price on 10x refurbished "new" n900? I will keep the test i ordered, going to get a AUD $50 rebate tho since its reburbished and not brand new as advertised. |
| 20:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure |
| 20:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can even try to negotiate a price for 100 or 200 |
| 20:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess those "500AUD" are just the usual way asian sellers tell you "not available, check later" |
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| 21:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I just recall there's one absolutely reliable indicator of age of device: NAND wear leveling log |
| 21:01.33 | ilon | yeah, i thought about that aswell |
| 21:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | they wouldn't dare to erase that |
| 21:01.44 | ilon | dosnt concern me since i plan to switch it for a neo900 ;D |
| 21:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | just occurred to me |
| 21:02.23 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: I'll have a look and see how many devices they would be able to deliver then, and try to getthe bestpriceout ofit. |
| 21:03.02 | ilon | damn space. |
| 21:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure. If you want you can take the risk and the profit and sell it for 10 bucks more per device to Golden Delicious |
| 21:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'd expect checked quality then ;-) Not for the mainboard but for the general function of the device, particularly digitizer and LCD, and kbd and case |
| 21:04.51 | ilon | well, have to see about that, would probably dosnt do it |
| 21:05.18 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: well, i would be able to assist some with it |
| 21:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably feel better to buy from you than from an asian anonymous seller |
| 21:06.01 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: how many complete devices do you think will be needed? |
| 21:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | 200 |
| 21:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, 400..500 in the end, but we can't do that right now |
| 21:06.35 | ilon | okay |
| 21:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might be able to do 200 though, and for sure could sell them all |
| 21:07.06 | ilon | will have a chat with the seller and see what they could do. |
| 21:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks |
| 21:07.45 | wentknweqt_ | wtf are you guys buying all the n900s on ebay? |
| 21:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need working cameras, and top quality display half |
| 21:07.50 | ilon | small contribution, since i wont be of any help with the EE or such |
| 21:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and qwerty |
| 21:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no chinese nonsense ;-) |
| 21:08.24 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: english layout or som different? |
| 21:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or french |
| 21:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty US layout |
| 21:08.40 | ilon | i think 90% english and some other would be good |
| 21:08.57 | ilon | since there would for sure be some people that would like some other than english |
| 21:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, we can't handle "10% random other layouts" |
| 21:09.11 | ilon | roger |
| 21:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | we will tae those when they come, but we need to make sure we can deliver qwerty to everybody |
| 21:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | take* |
| 21:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | when somebody asks for russian or french or greek and we happen to have one, ok |
| 21:11.47 | ilon | yeah, understandable. |
| 21:11.54 | hbib | or how about qwertz? strange that you didn't mention that ... |
| 21:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because I have two qwertzu here and hate them ;-P |
| 21:15.06 | ilon | damn germans :D |
| 21:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah! |
| 21:16.16 | hbib | but i need my umlaute :D |
| 21:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ÜÜÜÜÄÄÄHH! |
| 21:16.31 | ilon | hbib: just liftoverthe keadpad. :) |
| 21:16.34 | ilon | ÅÄÖ :) |
| 21:16.49 | ilon | damn, i REALLY need to replace this keyboard. |
| 21:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 21:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, the real hacker uses alt+NK-octal-codes ;-) |
| 21:19.02 | hbib | :D |
| 21:19.29 | ilon | hey, i have physical keys for those letters! |
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| 21:21.57 | ilon | kind of funny conversation with the seller, keeps on claiming they knew nothing about the device being refurbished |
| 21:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems that ALT+(NK-[094]) doesn't work anymore. Might've been windows anyway |
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| 21:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ilon: I tend to believe them, they buy those devices from whoknowswhere and don't check what they got, just inspect from outside |
| 21:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | most of them might be repair/refurbished |
| 21:25.03 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: I'm almost on pair with you there, they might actually be unaware of it |
| 21:25.23 | ilon | but i find it hard, because its rather simple to check |
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| 21:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pretty good indicator is original display "seal" |
| 21:26.03 | ilon | yeah |
| 21:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't re-attach that even when you kept it, it will look crappy |
| 21:26.38 | ilon | gonna check for the movie of the unboxing of one of my n900s, to get something to compare against |
| 21:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I think there's also a sticker on battery lid on new ones |
| 21:27.03 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: which the one i received actually have :O |
| 21:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! |
| 21:27.13 | ilon | and i recall its a genuine one |
| 21:27.30 | dos1 | so you know that backcover is new! :) |
| 21:27.35 | ilon | seemed to be a original unused battery aswell |
| 21:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:27.41 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: +1 |
| 21:27.44 | ilon | dos1: * |
| 21:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ilon: how's payment? paypal? |
| 21:29.01 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: yup |
| 21:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems like you're safe, err we're safe then, when we buy a few hundred? |
| 21:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is that paypal safety a lie? |
| 21:29.55 | ilon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, going to route it through paypal aswell |
| 21:30.28 | ilon | s/paypal/ebay |
| 21:30.45 | ilon | they also offer a year warranty on it :) |
| 21:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.o |
| 21:31.18 | ilon | and they seems rather concerned about their ebay reputation aswell, so i guess it wouldbe a good seller. |
| 21:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, everybody concerned about their ebay reputation |
| 21:32.08 | ilon | yeah, which is a REALLY good thing |
| 21:32.32 | ilon | hmm |
| 21:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I need to warn Nikolaus ;-) |
| 21:33.12 | ilon | about a incomming shipment of 50+ devices? ;P |
| 21:33.29 | ilon | or that he should snatch them before i do? :D |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather 100+ and incoming invoice |
| 21:33.43 | ilon | unsure how many they could deliver :/ |
| 21:33.46 | ilon | hopefully 100+ |
| 21:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, we want 200 and we want the price for 200 ;-) |
| 21:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the GOOD price |
| 21:34.39 | ilon | tskk, you outsource the complete sourcing now? :D |
| 21:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you have to earn your Neo900 ;-) |
| 21:35.20 | ilon | snap |
| 21:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could think of it being for free then |
| 21:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:35.43 | ilon | the second one for freeyou say? :P |
| 21:35.51 | ilon | i would need a backup.. |
| 21:36.02 | ilon | have 4 n900 laying around for spare parts |
| 21:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, we need to negotiate that, maybe two boards are feasible |
| 21:36.37 | ilon | huh, 18650 EUR |
| 21:37.08 | ilon | that can be kinda hard to do privately |
| 21:37.36 | ilon | what the heck, I'll see where it goes |
| 21:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, we don't want you to do that privately. We need to find a way to handle that |
| 21:39.56 | ilon | well, i will have a look and se what i can do :) |
| 21:40.09 | ilon | probably smaller batches from the seller |
| 21:40.31 | ilon | wouldnt want to try and ship 200 devices at once, the tax and such could be massive :/ |
| 21:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure. We should negotiate that in a query as well, nit in channel |
| 21:40.46 | ilon | yeah, of course |
| 21:41.29 | ilon | I'll keep you updated on the progress |
| 22:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not a single preorder today -- sad! ;-( |
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| 23:45.35 | chainsawbike | there is one :) |
| 23:54.21 | dos1 | :) |
| 23:55.24 | dos1 | tomorrow I hope I'll send the newsletter with progress update |
| 23:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | chainsawbike: too late -- A. m.2013-12-11 00:41:18130.00 EUR |
