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| 03:53.41 | wpwrak | FIQ: freescale ? for smaller arms, there's a bunch more (atmel, st, even nxp) |
| 04:08.36 | wpwrak | (sorry state of documentation) yeah, my best lead towards a manual ended with: "Vulgar rectification - recently shared the information with the relevant authorities for investigation focused obscene, pornographic, vulgar and other related content, in the meantime, we will be temporarily closed to share information related services, the investigation is completed resume normal use." (translation kindly provided by google's creative departme |
| 04:08.36 | wpwrak | nt) |
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| 11:01.53 | Nokiabot | Sssssssh |
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| 13:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, BB-xM boots - I can tell from blinking LEDs |
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| 15:43.21 | GoGi | what does eMMC mean? can that be swapped? |
| 15:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC is embedded MMC, a chip that's soldered to board |
| 15:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has 8bit databus and thus supposed to be twice tha bandwidth/max-speed as a 4-bit (u)SD |
| 15:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 furthe bb-xM arrived |
| 15:51.29 | GoGi | ok |
| 15:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | tme for an unboxing session |
| 16:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | one is even in original unopened antistatic bag \o/ |
| 16:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Thanks you Vladimir! :-) |
| 16:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | tosses over an ebay-thumbs-up rating |
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| 16:32.21 | Nokiabot | Phusssssss |
| 16:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 16:40.39 | Nokiabot | @Doc can you help a bit its ot though |
| 16:41.40 | Nokiabot | I want infobot to talk on a channel so i do i do it? |
| 16:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you ask me to make infobot join, given you are one of the ops or even owner of that chan. If you're not, you need to make the ops ask me (or Tim Riker) |
| 16:43.31 | Nokiabot | O o |
| 16:44.05 | Nokiabot | Then no go :( thanx |
| 16:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | general freenode policy: no bot in channel without permission of channel management |
| 16:44.35 | Nokiabot | Bad policy |
| 16:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | good policy |
| 16:45.57 | Nokiabot | No thats preventing novice trolls to troll and using ~useful commands there |
| 16:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly log bots are actually discouraged by freenode rules, and you MUST announce in channel topic or other conveniently visible place when you're logging the channel |
| 16:46.44 | kerio | *when you're logging the channel in a public place |
| 16:46.51 | kerio | private logs are obviously permitted |
| 16:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 16:46.55 | Nokiabot | Humm thats good |
| 16:47.00 | kerio | as any sort of ban would be unenforceable anyway |
| 16:48.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | reminds my of the juristic disoutes if RAM is actually holding a *copy* of streamed media |
| 16:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | disputes* |
| 16:48.46 | Nokiabot | Well i was trying ~poettering ~systemd cabal ~lobotomy ~wiki on #systemd |
| 16:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | very good you didn't succeed |
| 16:49.31 | Nokiabot | Well its ot lets leave it:) |
| 16:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and I left #systemd after 3s I needed to read topic |
| 16:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | puked later |
| 16:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | "no, it cannot rad mail... yet" -- maybe that's meant to be funny. It's absolutely not |
| 16:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | read* |
| 16:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemd cabal is the most toxic to linux group of lads I could think of |
| 16:53.13 | Nokiabot | Humm i read a byte on systemd and it seems a improvement to me though it was a poettering article which let me believe good things |
| 16:54.56 | Nokiabot | I also really disliked that i cant read mail stuf on topic i.e the top part of irc window |
| 16:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea. I just wait for "systemd now finally can do POP3 and SMTP" |
| 16:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we eventually see the evil systemd vs akonadi war ;-P |
| 16:58.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well |
| 16:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | will be way worse than the linux vs windows vs apple wars |
| 16:58.23 | kerio | a MTA is an integral part of a unix system! |
| 16:58.33 | Nokiabot | Looks i i need to read a bit more :) |
| 16:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: can we have a kill-poettering integral part too? |
| 17:01.06 | Nokiabot | Docscrutnizer05:like to tell why a massive bunch of devs and people are getting ticked of systemd |
| 17:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea |
| 17:01.52 | Nokiabot | Humm |
| 17:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly a "poettering's friends and alter-egos" tag |
| 17:02.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: akonadi-journald integration, obviously |
| 17:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hopes for kerio keeping his ideas secret until patented |
| 17:03.34 | NIN101 | http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ - " project which aims to reduce systemd to a base initd, process supervisor and transactional dependency system, while minimizing intrusiveness and isolationism. Basically, itâs systemd with the superfluous stuff cut out," |
| 17:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: sounds like "let's distill something faintly digestible out of this sewer |
| 17:04.56 | Nokiabot | Whats that second sim 5mm recession needed in backcover and what is that with dual standby i mean sure dual standby is moar of the time a waste of energy but if there are plans of dual sim then how is it gonna implemented ? |
| 17:05.02 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: osso-startup-wizard was the correct one package... |
| 17:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | drathir: I think I confirmed that when you asked? |
| 17:06.02 | drathir | kerio: DocScrutinizer05 and all other mot mentioned who help to target thanks a lot... |
| 17:06.50 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yea, and now again cornirm its work Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 17:07.09 | drathir | access w/o lcd... |
| 17:07.16 | Nokiabot | Docscrutinizer:read my avove post as forgot to highlit :p |
| 17:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokiabot: you got that wrong. When you want to access 2nd SIM slot, you need a slot which you have to make first. Same with hackerbus and NFC antenna connectors which will be located under the plastic "bridge" next to hinge of uSD tray |
| 17:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for Neo900 plans about dual SIM support: we want to get a multiplexer that swaps SIM on user interaction. The modem cannot do dual standby (yet) - though we plan to implement our mux in a way so a firmware update to modem could actually enable dual standby |
| 17:11.11 | Nokiabot | Docscrutnizer05:well thats a nice touch but not convenient as there is no possiblity of neo900 specific housing :( |
| 17:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's actually one advantage of our dual SIM mux over manual swapping of SIM cards or dual-SIM adapters you could insert to the one SIM slot of a phone: the NFC can use the secondary SIM as Secure Element while phone is using primary SIM for phonecalls and data. Or vice versa |
| 17:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokiabot: sorry? |
| 17:14.13 | Nokiabot | Docscrutinizer05:i mean if neo900 ug made housing also there would be lot more good things in a more convinent manner :) |
| 17:14.24 | mvaenskae | Nokiabot: housing is expensive |
| 17:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not making any housing |
| 17:14.34 | mvaenskae | custom cases are extremely costly |
| 17:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | that'S the whole point of Neo900 |
| 17:14.44 | Nokiabot | But thats not a possiblity now |
| 17:15.25 | mvaenskae | Nokiabot: if there was custom housing i guess the neo900 was around 1500 eur per device |
| 17:15.54 | mvaenskae | and that would be for many people too expensive to really support |
| 17:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we would have had option to make our own ID, then it would neither be called Neo900 nor would it have a tiny LCD, it would more look like a Samsung Note-II with hardware keyboard |
| 17:16.21 | Nokiabot | Docscrutnizer05:i know that :) |
| 17:16.22 | mvaenskae | at least there are "prebuilt" cases, get an old nokia n900 and you can reuse them :) |
| 17:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mvaenskae: more. way more |
| 17:17.58 | Nokiabot | And that only limiting factor to neo900 or else as doc said it would have been something else |
| 17:17.59 | mvaenskae | hm, i might have a wrong understanding on what a "large" and "average" and "small" batch of new hardware is :) |
| 17:18.09 | mvaenskae | i assume 1000 is a small amount, but it could also be 10k :) |
| 17:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | designing and building all the case parts and finding a decent LCD and then icing on top: decent digitizer aka touch panel, that alone would cost more than whole Neo900 R&D |
| 17:19.51 | mvaenskae | Ã.ö |
| 17:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | with 10k, we *might* start thinking about building new plastic parts. No way we get a new custom-made digitizer |
| 17:20.22 | Nokiabot | Docscrutnizer05:the magnetic idea for stylus sensor was bad so any new thoughts insights on it :) |
| 17:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokiabot: the idea been actually pretty good, but not feasible. We're going simple mechanical switch |
| 17:21.07 | mvaenskae | what is an average sized batch then? |
| 17:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in industry? ask "what's the average number of batches the R&d is targeted at" |
| 17:21.53 | GoGi | neo900 can be only used in old cases? |
| 17:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | GoGi: well, you probably can make it work without case |
| 17:22.47 | GoGi | :) |
| 17:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you hardly will find another non-N900 case which accommodates the NeoN board |
| 17:23.11 | Nokiabot | Docscrutinizer05:well i really like mechanical switches but would it reailable on such little movement ?? |
| 17:23.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 17:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the movement is huge for switches of that size, we need to come up with suitable measures to reduce movement distance to match the switch operation distance |
| 17:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | pushing in stylus easily creates a movement on any mech lever of 3..5mm. we need to reduce that to the maybe 0.5mm needed by the switch |
| 17:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | a 10:1 elastic lever attached to switch should work fine |
| 17:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 5:1 or even 3:1 |
| 17:27.01 | Nokiabot | Docscrutnizer05:what if a 3d printed metallic very thin cap is made for the stylus ? It would be elegant and also lock the stylus good |
| 17:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sort of similar to http://uk.farnell.com/cherry/0e61-10h0/switch-microswitch-lever-spdt-5a/dp/1608047, just 1/5 or 1/10 of the over all size |
| 17:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokiabot: you're free to do such metallic 3-D printing and mod your stylus. We not gonna engage into such adventure |
| 17:29.23 | GoGi | I mean, no one will be building new N900 cases? |
| 17:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably not, GoGi |
| 17:31.04 | GoGi | ok |
| 17:31.52 | mvaenskae | i wonder where the n900 molds are |
| 17:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but cases (the plastic) are abundance out there, on ebay. We got other parts that are way more problematic: slider mechanism, antennas, domesheet... |
| 17:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | **digitizer** |
| 17:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | cases you actually can get in silver, white, and even gold as well |
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| 21:22.44 | Pali | what do you think about init daemon which source code is on http://ewontfix.com/14/ ? |
| 21:25.29 | kerio | Pali: meh, sysv init |
| 21:25.53 | kerio | like, there's no need to go *that* minimal |
| 21:26.51 | Pali | I still do not know "how" should correct init daemon looks like... |
| 21:27.26 | Pali | and what should be able to do |
| 21:30.17 | kerio | nothing, really |
| 21:30.38 | kerio | pid 1 is special because it ignores sigkill |
| 21:31.02 | kerio | but if you think about it, most "recovery modes" for desktop linux boil down to init=/bin/sh |
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