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| 02:48.18 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
| 03:13.39 | Oksana | What's the licence of photographs of N900 devices arrived from Mozilla? Thinking about publishing a news article on Wikinews about the Mozilla's donation. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701784 http://neo900.org/#news |
| 03:16.18 | Oksana | How many devices are there, 55? |
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| 03:30.18 | Oksana | About origin of name OpenPhoenux : do you link from http://neo900.org to http://www.openphoenux.org/ ? |
| 03:34.29 | Oksana | Where can I read about licences and such of these images ? Photograph http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/DSCF0447.JPG , Logo http://static.neo900.org/neo900-avatar.jpg |
| 04:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: afaik the avatar is CC_BY_SA or _NC_SA (ask dos1). For the photos I made, meh, they are bonoboware ;-) |
| 04:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I can provide better and more snapshots if you want |
| 04:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, 55 (at least that's written on papers, I didn't count them yet) |
| 04:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't even open the second box with batteries. Maybe I should already |
| 04:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually I probably should unpack all 55 devices, that bubble foil is nasty sticky stuff, I'm afraid when they sit wrapped into that for months, then it might get inpossible to unwrap them without destroying digitizer |
| 04:08.05 | Oksana | I am not a superb news-writer, so do not get your hopes up. Just looking for an eye-catching photograph to put into the news article. Though, a gallery of the devices being unboxed could be useful... |
| 04:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just busy with reviewing the proto_V2 schematics |
| 04:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | for such gallery you will have to wait at least another day, and even then I can't promise anything |
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| 04:15.43 | Oksana | I will write now, and then, if the news article becomes stale, I will replace "arrived" with "unpacked" and add photographs. |
| 04:42.58 | Oksana | dos1: What is the licence of http://static.neo900.org/neo900-avatar.jpg ? For now, I will go with CC_BY_SA. Please, correct me if it is wrong. |
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| 05:07.24 | Oksana | Wikipedia: bonoboware : Did you mean bioware? |
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| 05:13.36 | Oksana | Boboboware, aka public domain, aka CC0, right? |
| 05:14.22 | Oksana | s/Boboboware/Bonoboware/ |
| 05:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/revoLUTIONconTROL/bonoboware.txt |
| 05:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:s2wlP62MhY8J:http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/535-Fun-with-copyright.html%2Bhttp://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/535-Fun-with-copyright.html&hl=en&&ct=clnk |
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| 05:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/f54cb66cda |
| 06:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: I updated http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/revoLUTIONconTROL/bonoboware.txt |
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| 06:44.51 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
| 06:44.59 | freemangordon | jonwil: pong |
| 06:45.44 | jonwil | thanks for fixing keypress_trigger |
| 06:45.51 | freemangordon | np |
| 06:46.17 | freemangordon | jonwil: I am not sure it worths to was more time on the other function |
| 06:46.23 | freemangordon | *waste |
| 06:46.23 | jonwil | hmmm ok |
| 06:46.43 | freemangordon | I am almost sure it does what it should |
| 06:47.08 | jonwil | As I posted in the thread, it should be possible to identify exactly which compiler Nokia used which might be interesting as an exercise but not essential for the functioning of this thing |
| 06:47.25 | jonwil | Anyhow, I am now going to take your keypress_trigger change, put it into my code and stick that new binary on my phone :) |
| 06:47.27 | freemangordon | I think the compiler is the same we use |
| 06:47.45 | jonwil | Are you using scratchbox in a VM or native Linux? |
| 06:47.52 | freemangordon | native |
| 06:48.59 | freemangordon | jonwil: any chance to make patches for your changes instead of posting the whole tarball and leaving to the reader to guess what has been fixed? |
| 06:49.27 | jonwil | I will post a diff between my initial release and the latest code |
| 06:49.37 | jonwil | i.e. what I posted last night with your keypress_trigger fix |
| 06:49.48 | freemangordon | as anyway even if I am to make the patches I will pester you for descriptions |
| 06:50.08 | freemangordon | checks |
| 06:51.32 | freemangordon | oh, lack of coffee, I misread what you typed :) |
| 06:52.21 | jonwil | so yeah the plan is to copy your keypress fix, build new binaries and upload new deb file, new source file and a diff between that and my initial RCE version |
| 06:52.35 | jonwil | the diff obviously wont include the changes in the 2 systemui header files since they are in a different place :) |
| 06:52.57 | freemangordon | any chance to make a diff against cssu? |
| 06:53.08 | jonwil | no, sorry. |
| 06:53.11 | freemangordon | ok |
| 06:53.39 | jonwil | My codebase is intended to be a 1:1 clone of Fremantle MCE, anything on top of that is for someone else to care about :) |
| 06:53.47 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 06:53.56 | jonwil | Which version of scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 do you have installed? The SDK VM includes version 1.0.14-2 My old Gentoo dev box had version 1.0.16-2 and when I upgraded the SDK VM to that version (via a tarball on scratchbox.org) the binaries that came out started matching more closely to the Nokia ones. |
| 06:53.58 | freemangordon | got that |
| 06:54.38 | freemangordon | 1.0.14-2 |
| 06:54.57 | freemangordon | that might be the reason |
| 06:55.30 | jonwil | well I will compile with the 1.0.16-2 with your keypress_trigger fix and see how close the binaries match :) |
| 06:55.41 | freemangordon | ok, makes sense |
| 06:55.59 | freemangordon | has to run |
| 06:56.03 | jonwil | ok |
| 06:56.04 | freemangordon | bbl |
| 06:56.14 | jonwil | cya |
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| 08:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: http://www.nxp.com/products/identification_and_security/nfc_and_reader_ics/nfc_contactless_reader_ics/series/PN547.html#overview two SWP |
| 08:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly no datasheet as usual :-S |
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| 08:37.08 | jonwil | is glad Neo900 was able to find a cellular radio module that will work for the project |
| 08:37.38 | jonwil | and not only that, one that is purchasable in the quantities Neo900 needs. |
| 08:39.03 | jonwil | Plus its "open" in the sense that there is no NDA or secrecy attached to the programming manual with all the AT commands in it as far as I can see (or to the chip pin-out for that matter per the posted Neo900 posted schematics) |
| 08:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, correct |
| 08:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually for example seapraha has all manuals for anonymous download: http://www.seapraha.cz/download/phs8-p_atc_v02003a.pdf et al in same folder |
| 08:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | on gemalto site you need to register to access them, which also is a painless and fast process |
| 08:53.46 | jonwil | even Nokia USED to document some parts of their cellular modems through that old site with all the docs |
| 08:53.59 | jonwil | Too bad the docs that would match the N900 cell modem no longer exist outside of Nokia |
| 08:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | NXP only offers datasheets to manually checked business partners |
| 08:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | never existed, really |
| 08:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (N900 modem specs) |
| 08:55.20 | jonwil | no, there is evidence something similar at least used to exist once upon a time on that old doc site but it was gone long before I first found the site |
| 08:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been the ISI docs |
| 08:55.31 | jonwil | yeah that, the isi interface |
| 08:55.36 | jonwil | the specs for programming the thing |
| 08:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got them here, but they're not comprehensive |
| 08:56.10 | jonwil | The ones that match the N900 or some other different version that probably doesn't match? |
| 08:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. they completely lack the GPS part |
| 08:56.48 | jonwil | even if they are incomplete they are still useful if they are a match for the N900 cellmo :P |
| 08:56.55 | jonwil | Seems like NFC is one of those areas of technology where getting specs is impossible unless you are a really big player |
| 08:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I got e.g. the LP5523 datasheet from them when it been "top secret" still |
| 08:57.48 | jonwil | ok, so its just NXP that are secret about this stuff? |
| 08:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to be a "really big" but a official player at least |
| 08:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they will send you a datasheet that's watermarked with your name etc |
| 08:59.11 | jonwil | they probably just want to make sure you are serious about actually using their gear and would be buying enough gear to make it worth supporting you |
| 08:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what's their reasons |
| 09:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway seems I have to ask them about PN532, PN544 and PN547 (plus maybe all alternatives they want to recommend) |
| 09:00.55 | jonwil | btw, for the GPU drivers on the Neo900, I assume we will just be using the binary blobs and other bits from whichever version of the TI driver SDK matches the OMAP CPU we are using, is that right? |
| 09:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 09:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think the fremantle driver should work, no idea if better ones are also available |
| 09:03.06 | dos1 | Oksana: yup, CC-BY-SA - both its components (lexik's n900 photo and OpenPhoenux logo) are CC-BY-SA anyway ;) |
| 09:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin dos1 |
| 09:03.51 | dos1 | moin! |
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| 09:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: might be worth checking what beagleboard-xM and openpandora are using for GPU |
| 09:23.55 | jonwil | are both using the same CPU as us? |
| 09:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik yes |
| 09:24.07 | jonwil | ok |
| 09:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and basically HARM also |
| 09:27.34 | jonwil | I found http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/12233-sgx-driver-installer-beta/page-7 |
| 09:27.58 | jonwil | which talks about sgx drivers for SGX on Pandora (and problems with same) |
| 09:31.40 | jonwil | Google seems to imply that for both bb-xm and openpandora the answer is "use the TI drivers and hope it works" or "use these drivers taken from a specific TI driver SDK and hope it works" |
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| 09:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | or use fremantle drivers and assume they'll work. Or use HARM drivers and bet on them working as well |
| 09:37.00 | jonwil | That would make sense |
| 09:39.18 | jonwil | anyhow, it looks like the MCE fixes are good :) |
| 09:39.32 | jonwil | One function may or may not be 100% correct but everything else is all good :) |
| 09:39.51 | jonwil | I did notice some issues that are potentially caused by these bugs |
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| 09:43.46 | jonwil | so hopefully the fixes I made will make my phone work better now :) |
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| 09:51.16 | jonwil | So the CPU we are using, is it the same as the one in N9 or is it different? |
| 09:51.26 | jonwil | I cant keep track of all these different OMAP versions out there... |
| 09:51.47 | jonwil | OMAPxxx, DMxxx, TIxxx, BLAH :P |
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| 12:11.32 | jonwil | I lol @ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93981 and the misguided impression of the people there (both the people behind the petition and the guy posting on tmo) that anything will ever happen |
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| 19:33.56 | freemangordon | jonwil: ping |
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| 19:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: sorry? |
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| 20:01.05 | wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05: the PN547 looks very non-open, as you said |
| 20:03.29 | Pali | kerio: congratulation, your name is discussed on more forums, new comments about lennart and hitman :-) |
| 20:03.43 | kerio | yeah, the phoronix forum |
| 20:04.01 | kerio | i swear to god if the interpol arrests me i'm blaming all of you |
| 20:04.02 | Pali | and it looks like lennart wrote that part on g+ because of you :-) |
| 20:04.16 | kerio | how do you pronounce "rohar"? |
| 20:04.40 | Pali | in english? |
| 20:06.05 | kerio | no, in klingon |
| 20:06.11 | Pali | no idea :-) |
| 20:08.03 | Pali | now lennart is angry.. we can wait which part in userspace become broken... |
| 20:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html YAY |
| 20:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | literal systemd cabal |
| 20:08.23 | comradekingu | isnt it counterproductive to give pottering something to be angry about |
| 20:08.36 | comradekingu | i thought the argument was that its redhat pulling strings anyway |
| 20:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal systemd cabal |
| 20:08.42 | infobot | "systemd cabal" is "<reply>systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too. See http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced the linux kernel, or see http://boycottsystemd.org/, or see http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/" |
| 20:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~systemd cabal is also http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html |
| 20:09.09 | infobot | that's too long, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! |
| 20:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kill systemd is http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html |
| 20:09.42 | infobot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudotachyon gun at systemd is http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html |
| 20:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: you idiot |
| 20:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kill-systemd is http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html |
| 20:10.15 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:10.34 | Pali | I think that lennart want to be famous... and one way how to do that is that everybody will know him... and writing useless posts on g+ which are reported on other websites is what he wants |
| 20:10.58 | comradekingu | good to know systemd has no friends in the phone i spent money on |
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| 20:14.53 | Pali | I remember days of Mr. Drepper and his project... |
| 20:15.02 | Pali | but Poettering another level |
| 20:15.56 | Pali | there is really nobody who can explain to Poettering what does he do? |
| 20:16.44 | dos1 | plenty of people can. the question is - how to make him listen? :P |
| 20:18.12 | Pali | looks like Drepper is now hidden and does not troll at bugzilla/MLs... |
| 20:18.45 | Pali | what did somebody do him? and who? |
| 20:19.21 | Pali | maybe same person can do same thing to next red hat person... |
| 20:20.32 | Pali | I know more people who wants to (and some who already) stop using linux because it is broken in userspace |
| 20:20.38 | Pali | and reason is lennart who did it |
| 20:21.07 | Pali | and migration is going to freebsd or openbsd |
| 20:21.28 | Pali | and really linux kernel without userspace is useless :-( |
| 20:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I need to redefine poettering factoid: |
| 20:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Its the attitude of knowing best for others without willing to accept feedback and discuss things that I am fed up with totally. If it doesnÃt fit into my own agenda, I donÃt care, go away. This kind of attitude is not likely to help in the long time. |
| 20:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering_mw is <reply> Poettering is the attitude of knowing best for others without willing to accept feedback and discuss things that sane people are fed up with totally. "If it doesn't fit into my own agenda, I don't care, go away." This kind of attitude is not likely to help in the long time. |
| 20:25.34 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering_mw |
| 20:25.47 | infobot | Poettering is the attitude of knowing best for others without willing to accept feedback and discuss things that sane people are fed up with totally. "If it doesn't fit into my own agenda, I don't care, go away." This kind of attitude is not likely to help in the long time. |
| 20:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | also golden: >> BTW I am still using KDE / Plasma and last I looked on GNOME (in Debian Wheezy) I just thought "Oh my god" and knowing that GNOME also insists on PulseAudio, I will continue with a desktop environment that leaves me choice. << |
| 20:44.15 | jonwil | freemangordon: [omh |
| 20:44.24 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
| 20:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>2. Software which can automatically fix bugs.<< ROTFL [http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/04366.html] |
| 20:44.46 | freemangordon | jonwil: your link to diff on TMO is incorrect |
| 20:45.06 | freemangordon | it should be .../mce2../ , not .../mce/... |
| 20:45.19 | jonwil | ok, yeah, will fix |
| 20:47.41 | jonwil | fixed. |
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| 21:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | can anybody share a pointer to that poettering post on g+ please? |
| 21:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | a strange thought comes to mind: where's RMS when he _really_ could utter some relevant notion about GNU Linux? |
| 21:13.21 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd |
| 21:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 21:13.48 | Pali | are you going to write email to RMS? |
| 21:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 21:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | RMS got me on his ignore list it seems |
| 21:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>...the Open Source community is full of assholes, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets...<< |
| 21:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/targets/heads/ |
| 21:18.02 | Pali | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2ifo6h/lennart_on_the_linux_community/cl1tc2o |
| 21:18.18 | Pali | >> Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!) << |
| 21:20.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: did you already write to RMS? :D |
| 21:21.15 | Pali | How you can be on ignore list? |
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| 21:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | See main thread in tmo Neo900. I sent two mails to him, in answering questions he sent to me, to start a thread, which went un-responded. And his answers to others asking about his opinion re Neo900 suggest that he actually never seen those answers I sent |
| 21:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I see him asking same already answered questions again and again |
| 21:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so my conclusion: I am on his ignore list |
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| 22:13.59 | Oksana | The devices were probably wrapped in that foil for three years, until the bug was resolved :) |
| 22:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: kerio: LOL, you did a hell of a job to make us famous ;-P |
| 22:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: feels like, yes. And that's for clarifying that, it takes pressure from me for unpacking them. A few days more won't change things |
| 22:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/that's/thanks/ |
| 22:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: >>(this really happened!) << what a jackass |
| 22:22.43 | Oksana | When Mozilla stopped supporting Firefox for Mobile on N900, they powered down their 84 devices which were used for nightly builds, and put them into boxes :) |
| 22:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! they built on *target*?? |
| 22:24.08 | Pali | I would like to know if Lennart already know about us that we hate his SW (reading at #maemo backlog) or there is another group which really started collecting bitcoins... |
| 22:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha |
| 22:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably there are 10 dozen who do ;-P |
| 22:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (groups, that is) |
| 22:25.07 | Pali | because on more internet places only #maemo backlog is linked |
| 22:25.21 | Pali | where is commented that lennart g+ |
| 22:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the hitmen could act on various levels, up to "buy RedHat and fire some of the employees" |
| 22:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | see Elop == hitman |
| 22:26.28 | Oksana | Not sure. |
| 22:26.30 | Pali | yes, somebody could buy red hat and then change boss of lennart :-) |
| 22:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I smply refuse to believe that the only answer of all sane (kernel) devs and system admins to this mess is "oh well, BSD it's then" |
| 22:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a lot of companies that chosen linux to NOT be in a company dependency pinch like they been with M$ and now get into with RedHat and Poettering |
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| 22:30.05 | Pali | anyway if somebody is able to create system: linux kernel + bsd userspace |
| 22:30.09 | Pali | ... I will switch to it |
| 22:30.23 | Pali | and reson: 0% of lennartware |
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| 22:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess Poettering already digging his own pit, by posts like the "how we plumb together linux" and this whining pathetic new post |
| 22:31.53 | Oksana | Maybe, there were running nightly tests on the devices? Like, automatically checking whether the nightly builds work on the device, or not? |
| 22:31.56 | Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: yep |
| 22:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: sounds more like it |
| 22:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | automated test suite makes sense |
| 22:32.54 | Oksana | Need more documentation... |
| 22:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I hate most in all the systemd/Poettering debate is his "run a community" approach. Nobody is "running" a community, and he thinking it's either him or Linus doing that is insane and megalomania |
| 22:35.36 | freemangordon | yeah, kerio and Pali did (unintentionally) a very good job IMO, now that more and more guys see "(this really happened!)" being a lie |
| 22:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually the root cause why peopke hate him |
| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | only his idea of "running community" allows him to assume it's him to decide what all distro and package devels have to do to stay compatible with the crap he invents |
| 22:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I had very direct very recent experience about such lie passing unargued and many people adopting it for their own local "truth" |
| 22:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: actually that's been the reason I stepped down from council |
| 22:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | among others |
| 22:42.03 | Pali | ~seen mezcalero |
| 22:42.08 | infobot | Pali: i haven't seen 'mezcalero' |
| 22:42.18 | Pali | huf |
| 22:42.20 | Pali | its ok |
| 22:42.43 | Pali | I got frightened, so I needed to check it |
| 22:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it needs more than a few users in a zillion to make the truth actually become visible when somebody initially states a lie and is sufficiently vocal about it |
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| 22:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Irak has weapons of mass destruction", "seit 5:45 wird zurueckgeschossen", pick your own example |
| 22:44.32 | freemangordon | well, at least 10% of the people (from what I read) are calling him a liar and link to the #maemo log |
| 22:44.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: can you preventively ban that nick? |
| 22:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | which one? |
| 22:44.55 | Pali | mezcalero |
| 22:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but why? |
| 22:45.36 | Pali | because I do not want to be on same channel with him! |
| 22:45.55 | freemangordon | hmm, fair enough :D |
| 22:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, that's not yet a sufficient reason to do any activity in irc op |
| 22:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | who is mezcalero ? |
| 22:46.34 | Pali | ~poettering |
| 22:46.34 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 22:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I doubt he'll join this channel |
| 22:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you meant #maemo channel, I'm not active on that one anymore |
| 22:48.18 | freemangordon | Pali: really, I don't think your dislike or disagreement with someone is a valid reason for a ban |
| 22:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (at least I hope so) |
| 22:48.42 | Pali | ok |
| 22:48.54 | freemangordon | (not that I am chanop or the like) |
| 22:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not chanop but right ;-) |
| 22:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even chanop's disagreement with somebody is a valid reason for a ban |
| 22:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | such disagreement escalating however might be |
| 22:50.50 | freemangordon | anyway, going to have some sleep. I hope I won't miss the drama when it happens :) |
| 22:50.54 | freemangordon | night guys |
| 22:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | night! |
| 22:51.31 | Pali | nigh too! |
| 23:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah /ns info mezcalero gives it away. Also >>[Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Sep 13 19:28:54 2012 (2 years, 3 weeks, 3 days, 05:35:28 ago)<< |
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| 23:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wonders which (if any) reasoning and idea been causing this particular nickname "mezcalero" |
| 23:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | indian tribe? Mexican alcoholic beverage (producer)? Drug user? |
| 23:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly irrelevant |
| 23:09.41 | Oksana | "mezcal monkey"="chango mezcalero". Mezcal, or mescal, is a distilled alcoholic beverage made from the maguey plant (a form of agave, Agave americana) native to Mexico. The word mezcal comes from Nahuatl mexcalli /meÊËkalËi/ metl /met͡ɬ/ and ixcalli /iÊËkalËi/ which means "oven-cooked agave". |
| 23:10.43 | Oksana | "mezcal monkey" (chango mezcalero) is a vessel created for the alcoholic liquor mezcal. |
| 23:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a chance to delete or edit g+ posts like https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd ? |
| 23:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (asking whether it's worth creating a version backup of the post like it's right now) |
| 23:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all dear Lennart stated some things we might want to call him out on later |
| 23:23.05 | Oksana | Lennart Poettering shared this publicly (original post has been edited) |
| 23:24.08 | Oksana | So: it was possible to edit, it may be possible to edit later (ask Google), and it may be possible to share a post non-publicly (not sure whether it is possible to change sharing status after publishing) |
| 23:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so just for convenience, here you are http://privatepaste.com/bef5f75b3d |
| 23:32.00 | Oksana | Is it known when the devices were shipped by Mozilla? Like 31st of August, or middle of September? Some stamps on Fedex box? |
| 23:32.23 | Oksana | Or date in online tracking? |
| 23:32.57 | Oksana | This paste will expire in 364 days :) |
| 23:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/WTRK/index.html?trknbr=771257555912&trkqual=2456924000~771257555912~FX&locale=de_DE |
| 23:48.28 | Oksana | Thank you! |
| 23:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
| 23:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's also a nice packing list but it lists the IMEI of all devices and I'm (for whatever reason) a tad reluctant to disclose them |
| 23:54.29 | Oksana | Good :) |
| 23:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | (for whatever reason... == mainly for not feeling like starting a new argument with those who think doing so would be a bad thing) |
| 23:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the record: I do _not_ think disclosing particular IMEIs is a security threat of any sorts |
| 23:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm much in line with whole industry which prints IMEI visibly to the outside of sales packaging |
| 23:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody could try to spoof my identity and create some trouble for me proving that it not been me who did that call to 911 warning about a second 9-11 |
