IRC log for #neo900 on 20141116

01:06.08DocScrutinizer05http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/speakers-IHF/  http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/slidermech/
02:39.36DocScrutinizer05"find the 5 differences" http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/backcover/
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10:06.42flingDocScrutinizer05: `echo bq27000-battery.0 > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/unbind` gives me 'bash: echo: write error: No such device'
10:06.53fling`modprobe gta01_battery` says 'FATAL: Module gta01_battery not found.'
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16:13.02OpenbotLog chk
16:14.04OpenbotErr its fine !
16:22.51OpenbotSsssssxxx
16:23.05DocScrutinizer05please no noise!
16:23.58DocScrutinizer05nobody is interested in "Ssssssxxx"
16:24.03MonkeyofDoomDocScrutinizer05: a friend was asking recently, what concerns/responsibility does the Neo900 project have w/r/t e.g. FCC cerfication?
16:24.20OpenbotSleeping on irc ? Bad habbit .
16:24.22OpenbotNight...
16:24.42DocScrutinizer05concerns? few except cost. Responsibility? We'll get device approval as needed
16:25.00MonkeyofDoomok
16:25.31MonkeyofDoomit was just something mentioned as a significant entry barrier to producing electronic devices (in the States, at least)
16:25.46DocScrutinizer05it kinda is
16:25.52MonkeyofDoomso I was curious if it posed problems for this project or if that'd been considered sufficiently
16:26.03DocScrutinizer05we have the benefit of using pre-certified module
16:26.07MonkeyofDoomright
16:26.18OpenbotSssss =silence and i tried to sound more real anyway enough noise :p
16:26.34DocScrutinizer05Openbot: LAST WARNING
16:34.27DocScrutinizer05a >60 users in this channel have to read your noise (unless they put you on ignore), and probably a few hundred are regularly reading the chanlogs where no /ignore applies. So every single word of noise you paste here is wasting a total of at least 1 minute attention time, and it reduces attractiviteness of the channel
16:35.35DocScrutinizer05s/attractiviteness/attractiveness/
16:35.52OpenbotOk got that
16:35.57DocScrutinizer05fine!
16:37.13Openbotomg !http://www.linxtechnologies.com/en/support/faq
16:37.14Openbotso how much neo gonna waste on fcc ?
16:37.32DocScrutinizer05iirc around 5k or something
16:38.41OpenbotThats full transreciver test ! Wifi bt included or module cert enough?
16:39.22DocScrutinizer05tbh I dunno, it's Nik who has already done this for GTA04, so he's the one to know
16:40.37DocScrutinizer05iirc the idea was that you import a CE certified device which then is accepted by e.g. FCC
16:41.06DocScrutinizer05but I may be wrong on that detail
16:41.32MonkeyofDoomah
16:41.35OpenbotA small compony and so much overhead on selling it !
16:41.36OpenbotWhat else more money requiring tests certs are involved besides fcc ?
16:42.29Openbot*beside
16:42.41DocScrutinizer05hardly anything, except of course all our prototype tests which need evaluation for decen operation of all RF, but that's lab tests for evaluation, not certification
16:43.19DocScrutinizer05all RF is pre-certified modules, so we're low on overhead there
16:43.54OpenbotGood for us
16:44.23DocScrutinizer05we're just adding power supply and antenna to an already tested and certified module, for BT, WLAN, FM, cellular
16:44.37DocScrutinizer05not so for NFC
16:45.15DocScrutinizer05but we probably won't offer NFC as OOTB feature, user has to add his own antenna
16:46.00DocScrutinizer05the Neo900 only comes "prepared for NFC"
16:46.25OpenbotFm tx power hackable ? You know n900 so irritating on times like car back seat !
16:46.51DocScrutinizer05so when you add NFC antenna, you built your own NFC device and Neo900 UG is not responsible for that
16:47.01DocScrutinizer05yes
16:47.07DocScrutinizer05of course
16:47.10OpenbotLol
16:47.46OpenbotYou are just offering the gun!
16:47.57DocScrutinizer05like NXP and TI do
16:48.11DocScrutinizer05they sell the chip, we sell the chip soldered ona PCB
16:49.12OpenbotDonn know that
16:49.14OpenbotBtw nfc anteena = some wire or some specilized thing ?
16:49.20DocScrutinizer05Varta selling batteries that can get used in torch and in taser
16:49.40OpenbotHaha
16:49.46DocScrutinizer05NFC antenna is a few winds of wire
16:49.51DocScrutinizer05basically
16:50.16DocScrutinizer05usually comes as flat plastic flexible circuit board
16:50.57OpenbotTazers are most crazy things ever
16:52.00DocScrutinizer05to build a proper NFC defice, you probably need to use external antenna or a mugen extended battery cover, since otherwise the NFC antenna is too close to metal shields and other antennas in device, which would defeat bot NFC cert and cert of other RF
16:52.04OpenbotLooks lke nfc anteenas can be bought on ebay !
16:52.11DocScrutinizer05sure
16:52.30DocScrutinizer05easily available, and maybe Neo900 UG even sells a good one
16:52.38DocScrutinizer05;-)
16:52.47OpenbotGreat !
16:53.33DocScrutinizer05it seems there are some NFC antennas with ferrite back wich somewhat shields antenna from nearby metal
16:53.53DocScrutinizer05but those are "thick" (like almost 1 mm)
16:55.00DocScrutinizer05and the effect of ferrite on e.g. WLAN/BT and cellular antenna is unknown
16:55.13DocScrutinizer05to us, yet
16:55.40OpenbotFew years ago it was the craze here of magic lights that lit up on calls so i dont wonder where the power comes in nfc !
16:56.31DocScrutinizer05those are outlawed meanwhile, they introduce harmonic distrotion into RF signal
16:56.47OpenbotWoudnt that be too little ferrite to cause noticeable damage
16:57.30DocScrutinizer05it's quite a notceable area, of e.g 25x25mm
16:57.56OpenbotOutlawed ?omg igot some 10p lying around :p
16:58.08DocScrutinizer05covering e.g WLAN/BT antenna with such sheet of ferrite may have unwanted effects
16:58.33OpenbotLab will tell !
16:58.57DocScrutinizer05I once tested one of those lights on my old 6210 Nokia -> instant loss of connectivity ;-P
17:00.57OpenbotI got 2 on my 6210 goes fine ;p though sucks some network in poor areas
17:02.33Openbotgoes to bed reading harmonic disortion....
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17:04.00OpenbotBtw what are those lights called ?
17:04.43OpenbotI mean proper name
17:05.03DocScrutinizer05no idea, sorry
17:05.23OpenbotOk
17:05.39DocScrutinizer05better google for harmonic distortion
17:06.05DocScrutinizer05though google is greeat at fixing typos for us
17:06.31OpenbotWell thats what i did and things overflowing my head :p
17:06.34DocScrutinizer05~wiki harmonic distortion
17:08.39OpenbotDistortion...well i learnt a spelling..
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