| 00:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I did the 3 links since I was too lazy to add a personal statement like "this is intersting" to a single link |
| 00:00.18 | Wizzup | would be better still :) |
| 00:00.22 | Wizzup | heads to bed |
| 00:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | well then it is spam, I welcome my own spam on my own page |
| 00:00.32 | Wizzup | sure, sure :) |
| 00:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | when somebody disagrees, too bad |
| 00:02.56 | illwieckz | So, it is 01:00 here, I'll go to sleep, thanks for what you are doing, and keep up the good work. |
| 00:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when somebody thinks that buying a Neo900 from a page that has a particular link to another URL on it is unbearable... |
| 00:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I think that's exactly the extort mindset that I dislike in systemd and the way it hijacks every linux distro and spoils it for alternative init systems |
| 00:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it's there 6 times despite me only posting it 3 times, and it looks cheesy this way |
| 00:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | shell cmdline error |
| 00:14.49 | useretail | ...talking about camera module... |
| 00:14.59 | useretail | here is good comparison: http://www.maemo-freak.com/index.php/reviews/devices/1374-nokia-n97-mini-vs-n900-camera-showdown- |
| 00:15.42 | useretail | photos at the bottom |
| 00:17.50 | wpwrak | blame the contact bounce of the mouse button ;-) |
| 00:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's N97 vs N900, not cam module vs cam module |
| 00:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: exactly |
| 00:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | useretail: both phones use completely different camera drivers it seems |
| 00:20.53 | RzR | DocScrutinizer05, https://devuan.org/ |
| 00:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | RzR: http://neo900.org/#news |
| 00:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 00:22.01 | RzR | gz |
| 00:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | useretail: the modules themselves are identical in my book though |
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| 02:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: http://www.heise.de/open/news/foren/S-Ja-es-ist-ein-Glaubenskrieg-und-deshalb-kommt-es-jetzt-zum-Problem/forum-288906/msg-26152324/read/ +++! |
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| 12:24.26 | dos1 | REMINDER: OHSW 2014 happens today! Videos & livestreams: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA/feed |
| 12:25.07 | dos1 | agenda: http://ohsw.org/ |
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| 12:57.57 | slyon | hi dos1! |
| 12:58.42 | dos1 | slyon: hello! |
| 12:59.06 | slyon | how do you feel today? are you well? |
| 13:01.41 | dos1 | still a bit dizzy, but much better than yesterday :) |
| 13:02.18 | slyon | good! |
| 13:02.27 | slyon | so you'll be able to give the presentation? |
| 13:03.26 | dos1 | yup |
| 13:04.18 | slyon | great! :) my plan is that I start a "Hangout on Air" via the OHSW account and send you an invite via G+. Then you can join and share your screen and voice in order to give the presentation. does this sound good to you? |
| 13:05.16 | slyon | that way people can find the stream and video at the usual place and I can put your presentation on the projector for the visitors here |
| 13:05.38 | dos1 | sounds good |
| 13:06.06 | slyon | cool! right now we're about 20min behind the schedule, just FIY |
| 13:06.10 | slyon | FYI* |
| 13:07.59 | slyon | so you can probably start around 16:20 (german time) |
| 13:10.06 | dos1 | ok |
| 14:11.10 | wpwrak | dos1: you may be the most visible speaker. all the others are talking in the dark ;-) |
| 14:11.37 | jake42 | wpwrak: should we turn on the lights? :-) |
| 14:12.03 | wpwrak | jake42: it may be nice to see more than an army of dark shadows :) |
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| 14:14.57 | jake42 | for the next talks |
| 14:16.01 | Openbot | Neo900 jake ? |
| 14:16.34 | Openbot | Jake42^^ |
| 14:17.17 | Openbot | Dos1 got sick ? |
| 14:21.08 | wpwrak | Openbot: he'll give the presentation through cyberspace, from the safety of his home |
| 14:26.24 | wpwrak | yes, having the speaker move into the light does also work :) |
| 14:30.37 | Openbot | Good |
| 14:30.56 | Openbot | Like snowden :D |
| 14:31.41 | wpwrak | indeed. "what i have to say is too dangerous" :) |
| 14:34.11 | Openbot | just Say it damm |
| 14:36.15 | wpwrak | no, really ? ;-) |
| 14:36.30 | wpwrak | (commenting on the livestream) |
| 14:36.44 | dos1 | hehe :) |
| 14:37.37 | Openbot | Dos1 hi |
| 14:37.45 | dos1 | hello |
| 14:37.57 | Openbot | How wass the talk |
| 14:38.35 | slyon | Openbot, neo900 talk is next |
| 14:38.53 | slyon | about 30-45min |
| 14:38.56 | Openbot | Be careful they might have infested your bathroom by now |
| 14:39.04 | Sicelo | is DocScrutinizer05 at that OHSW? |
| 14:39.09 | Openbot | Ah |
| 14:39.41 | slyon | Openbot, there will be a livestream at http://www.ohsw.de |
| 14:39.52 | slyon | Sicelo, doc is not here |
| 14:40.22 | Sicelo | ok. |
| 14:40.46 | Openbot | Dos1 leave the stage to doc he will bash the hell out of everyone :D |
| 14:41.29 | Openbot | Sylon 2g here :D |
| 14:42.04 | wpwrak | Sicelo: the dragon does not venture out of his lair to come to the knight. the knight comes to the dragon's lair (to be barbecued and eaten, usually) |
| 14:42.36 | slyon | Openbot, ohh i see. it is also recorded, so you can have a look later on ;) |
| 14:42.44 | Openbot | Wpwark:you are a genius ! |
| 14:43.16 | Openbot | *Wpwrak |
| 14:43.27 | wpwrak | ;-) |
| 14:45.15 | Openbot | I was just wondering about the look on the faces of spectators if doc was on stage |
| 14:45.41 | slyon | right now EvilDragon from OpenPandora is on stage |
| 14:45.43 | Openbot | He might eat people |
| 14:46.09 | Openbot | How may people there sylon |
| 14:46.23 | Openbot | *Slyon |
| 14:46.33 | slyon | Openbot, about 25 |
| 14:46.43 | slyon | room is full :) |
| 14:47.03 | Openbot | Good but a bit low volume it seems |
| 14:47.13 | slyon | the stream? |
| 14:47.30 | Openbot | Full ? Is it a bathroom ?? |
| 14:47.43 | slyon | no a seminar room at the technical university of munich |
| 14:47.43 | Openbot | The people |
| 14:47.57 | Openbot | Oh |
| 14:49.43 | jake42 | Openbot: but you got a point |
| 14:49.53 | jake42 | we should invest in a decent mic |
| 14:51.15 | slyon | jake42, actually i think the mic is alright, did you have a look at the recordings? |
| 14:51.31 | slyon | also I could turn up the volume, but I don't think it's needed |
| 14:52.16 | wpwrak | yes ! usb debug port. i like that :) |
| 14:52.37 | slyon | wpwrak, indeed! that's a very nice feature |
| 14:53.07 | wpwrak | i wish we could have that on neo900. alas, joerg hates the idea :-( |
| 14:53.31 | Sicelo | why not? |
| 14:54.51 | wpwrak | phew. an army of mechanical switches ? that must be $$$. |
| 14:55.40 | jake42 | slyon: I thought it sounded like a bathroom |
| 14:56.25 | slyon | jake42, ahh. OK maybe this can be improved later on with some "Magic Youtube Improvement filters" |
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| 14:56.30 | jake42 | though it's just fine to understand |
| 14:56.40 | jake42 | maybe :-) |
| 14:59.45 | wpwrak | the echo and distortions sometimes make it a bit difficult. but yes, i've heard considerably worse. |
| 15:00.26 | Openbot | Echo is bad very bad when in a room |
| 15:01.09 | wpwrak | (better yield) good point. and we'll have that, too :) |
| 15:01.25 | slyon | unfortunately i only have WiFi, i think thats the cause for the distortions |
| 15:02.26 | slyon | also my laptop is pretty busy with the 720p stream, i have a load of 5.0-6.0 (with 4 cores) |
| 15:03.29 | Openbot | 720p streaming ? 480p looks fine on a typical laptop |
| 15:03.35 | slyon | dos1, are you ready? looks like ED is almost finished. then there will be a little bit of discussion, a small break (5min) and then it's your turn |
| 15:03.47 | slyon | Openbot, yes for readability of the slides |
| 15:04.06 | Openbot | When you got a bad conn and just need to watch a thing |
| 15:05.01 | Openbot | Dos1 |
| 15:05.02 | Openbot | jet set go ! |
| 15:07.40 | Openbot | Is he on now ? |
| 15:08.27 | dos1 | ready! |
| 15:09.01 | Openbot | Somebody kind can pls do a speech to text here of inportant bits |
| 15:09.17 | slyon | dos1, i just sent an invite for the stream. I'm shortly afk now. will be back in 5min |
| 15:10.47 | wpwrak | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahPFCFooBv0 |
| 15:10.56 | wpwrak | "starting soon" |
| 15:11.20 | Openbot | Where is doccrutinizer05 ? He is dead silent today ? Run over by a truck :( |
| 15:11.39 | Openbot | Or what ? |
| 15:12.49 | Openbot | *Docscrutinizer05 |
| 15:12.55 | Humpelstilzchen | hmpf xbmc can't play this video yet |
| 15:12.57 | wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05's ways are inscrutable :) |
| 15:13.32 | Openbot | Cant phrase wpwrak :( |
| 15:15.01 | Openbot | ~dict Inscrutable |
| 15:15.02 | wpwrak | Humpelstilzchen: still on standby, it seems |
| 15:16.09 | Openbot | Omg ! New word added to my catalouge ! |
| 15:18.08 | Openbot | Does the lips move now ? |
| 15:18.35 | Openbot | I mean dos1 s lips ; |
| 15:18.56 | wpwrak | i hope someone who's there will tell us when it starts - in case the stream doesn't begin automatically |
| 15:19.03 | slyon | dos1, can we start? |
| 15:19.41 | Openbot | Slyon also on the talks ? |
| 15:19.59 | dos1 | slyon: yup |
| 15:20.23 | slyon | dos1, ok we're testing the speakers and then we can start... |
| 15:20.37 | Openbot | Aha |
| 15:21.14 | slyon | dos1, you're LIVE! |
| 15:21.22 | jake42 | go dos1 :-) |
| 15:21.34 | slyon | btw: the stream on youtube has a slight delay |
| 15:21.51 | wpwrak | stream is running |
| 15:22.12 | slyon | we have no sound... |
| 15:22.32 | Openbot | Ummm err |
| 15:22.38 | jake42 | now |
| 15:22.40 | jake42 | it works |
| 15:22.49 | slyon | not yet |
| 15:23.01 | Openbot | Make it workk |
| 15:23.10 | slyon | now youÃre good! |
| 15:23.16 | slyon | yes |
| 15:23.18 | wpwrak | on youtube the sound is ok |
| 15:23.20 | Sicelo | it works. but dos1 is not visible |
| 15:23.41 | Openbot | Whats happening use skype |
| 15:23.53 | wpwrak | hearing ya loud and clear |
| 15:24.34 | Openbot | Wpwrak : some speech to text appreciated ;) |
| 15:26.13 | wpwrak | i'm not nearly fast enough for that ... |
| 15:26.20 | Openbot | Seems everybody deep in the streams |
| 15:26.57 | Openbot | Wpwark just intresting tits bits only lol |
| 15:27.12 | Openbot | *Wpwrak |
| 15:27.25 | wpwrak | -> see the slides :) |
| 15:27.37 | wpwrak | http://neo900.org/stuff/ohsw2014/ohsw2014.pdf |
| 15:28.00 | Openbot | Ok |
| 15:31.29 | wpwrak | "walled garden" ... nice expression for "prison camp" ;-) |
| 15:32.32 | Openbot | Ha ha |
| 15:46.54 | jake42 | nice analogy :-) |
| 15:50.45 | wpwrak | "old" as in "ancient". calypso was obsolete even when we used it in openmoko |
| 15:52.01 | slyon | little statistic: 8 visitors in the stream + 25 visitors from OHSW/Munich |
| 15:53.42 | wpwrak | we're being tracked ;-) |
| 15:53.48 | slyon | hehe |
| 16:01.17 | Openbot | Get well soon dos1 ;) |
| 16:04.34 | wpwrak | paranoid and creative :) |
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| 16:11.47 | slyon | is wondering how we can master the Q/A session of this talk. I'll try to get a non-delayed audio channel between OHSW and dos |
| 16:12.13 | slyon | (once the delayed stream on the projector is finished) |
| 16:17.39 | wpwrak | now to the stuff everyone's hungering for :) |
| 16:22.43 | slyon | dos1, just a sec, we'll soon talk to you ;) |
| 16:22.47 | dos1 | okay :) |
| 16:23.10 | wpwrak | *clap, clap* |
| 16:23.11 | jake42 | *applause* |
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| 16:23.52 | wpwrak | whee, two-way audio ! |
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| 16:27.50 | wpwrak | yeah, if people only knew what sorts of delays (and worse) happen *inside* companies ;-) |
| 16:28.34 | slyon | OK. We're offline. Thank you once more! |
| 16:28.55 | wpwrak | dos1: thanks ! |
| 16:29.01 | dos1 | I hope it wasn't too painful to listen to me... :) |
| 16:29.01 | jake42 | thanks dos1 for the awesometalk even though you couldn't attend! |
| 16:29.36 | slyon | at the beginning it was a little strange, but after a while it felt OK :) |
| 16:30.05 | Toxic-Waste | a lot of "ummm" :) please work on that |
| 16:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is common even to many native speakers |
| 16:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: great talk, many thanks! |
| 16:31.43 | wpwrak | Toxic-Waste: that's a classical teleconferencing problem. after a while, the speaker begins to mentally adjust to talking to his PC and not to people. pretty hard to overcome, even if you realize it's happening. |
| 16:32.28 | wpwrak | but i;m sure evolution will solve that in a few dozen generations, too :) |
| 16:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, return channel completely missing, so no feedback to adjust tempo of speech accordingly |
| 16:33.39 | Toxic-Waste | oh okay,i didnt realize that |
| 16:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | similar to missing ACK in TCP/IP ;-) |
| 16:34.18 | Toxic-Waste | or one-way UDP :) |
| 16:34.57 | dos1 | well, I do "ummm" a lot even with full ACK ;) |
| 16:36.07 | dos1 | that was actually my first major talk in english |
| 16:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it was brilliant, even if it were not the first |
| 16:36.58 | dos1 | and first major one in polish wasn't that long time ago as well... i'll get better with time :) |
| 16:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, inevitably :-D |
| 16:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 4 weeks Taipei, I sometimes continued speaking English even when we were 3 or 4 native German speakers in the group |
| 16:38.30 | Toxic-Waste | congratulations, then :D i'll have to re-watch it though, because i missed the first 3/4 |
| 16:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | until Wolfgang answered in German, so I noticed it |
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| 16:49.44 | slyon | dos1, yeah. your talk was absolutely fine. Everybody here in munich could follow. |
| 16:52.59 | dos1 | i'm glad :) |
| 16:52.59 | dos1 | I had a moment of panic right before the beginning - turns out screen sharing on hangouts + libreoffice impress + two screens is a no-go :D |
| 16:53.27 | dos1 | impress displays convienent "speaker-panel" on second screen showing next slide and the notes for current one |
| 16:54.09 | dos1 | with hangouts, I could only select the whole window that was across both screens |
| 16:54.49 | dos1 | so if you wondered what's with that mess on top of the screen - that was my quick workaround :D |
| 16:55.55 | slyon | the small distoriton on top didn't really distract, so that's fine |
| 16:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed kudos to managing that online speech and the usual hickups they come with |
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| 21:44.10 | freemangordon | dos1: was your presentation in english? |
| 21:44.48 | dos1 | freemangordon: hopefully you're asking that before watching it? :) |
| 21:44.50 | dos1 | yup |
| 21:45.08 | freemangordon | ok, I will watch it then :) |
| 21:45.36 | freemangordon | yeah, I was serious |
| 21:46.41 | freemangordon | dos1: your english is ok to me, I can understand everything ;) |
| 21:59.19 | dos1 | great :) |