| 00:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 00:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if *you* are mad, for whatever reason. I'm not |
| 00:12.45 | kerio | me neither! :3 |
| 00:13.00 | kerio | ok admittedly you're spending your own money to make an open omap3 smartphone in 2015 |
| 00:13.02 | kerio | so you are mad |
| 00:13.06 | kerio | as in insane |
| 00:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems yu should not switch between booze and IRC |
| 00:14.30 | kerio | rofl |
| 00:14.36 | kerio | you know what the worst part is? |
| 00:14.38 | kerio | i don't even drink |
| 00:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | all *I* said was: "-o ro" should have semantics of the current "-o ro,noload" |
| 00:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to recover full option set, get a new "-o ro,load" for semantics of current "-o ro" |
| 00:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW switch default from load to noload |
| 00:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | when ro is given |
| 00:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | since that's what I and prolly a lot of others would expect |
| 00:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I dunno what for you'd need the ro,load option. When the volume gets mounted ro, who would care for journal spoolout? |
| 00:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think the device cannot get mounted without journal spoolout |
| 00:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | they call it playback, but that's not exactly what it's all about, since it not just plays back journal but also writes the stuff to 'normal' filesystem on disk. This I call spoolout |
| 00:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure the fs driver can read data from journal of a (maybe ro mounted) volume just as if they were already spooled out |
| 00:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you couldn't read back blocks from that volume until journal got spooled. That's not what happens in real life afaik. Journal could take minutes until there's some idle time to spool |
| 00:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | during that time the fs is "dirty" but you still can read *all* data from it |
| 00:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | the driver knows when there's an entry in journal and will use that instead of plain disk fs data for reads |
| 00:27.06 | bencoh | I think reiserfs does not return until logs have been replayed |
| 00:27.10 | bencoh | dunno about ext* |
| 00:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 00:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | not return from what? a write()? that wouldn't make much sense at all |
| 00:27.55 | bencoh | no, from mount |
| 00:28.16 | bencoh | I'm not sure though, it's just a faint memory |
| 00:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, obviously - without -o noload - ext3/4 does same |
| 00:28.35 | bencoh | (from when my news spool crashed) |
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| 00:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but during normal operation there are extended periods (like, dozens of seconds) during which journal is filled and fs dirty. And still you can read all data. So when the driver can do this during normal operation, why wouldn't it be able to do same after -o ro,noload ? |
| 00:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically, to "recover" on mount -o ro.noload, it just would need to "playback" old journal, but not write the blocks to disk but instead to a new virtual journal it keeps e.g. in RAM |
| 00:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it always has such "virtual journal" I guess |
| 00:33.53 | bencoh | it doesnt have to be "virtual" |
| 00:34.00 | bencoh | it is the journal :) |
| 00:34.10 | bencoh | just loaded in ram |
| 00:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you could build it on another volume too |
| 00:34.35 | bencoh | and yeah I get your point |
| 00:34.44 | bencoh | dunno why they decided otherwise |
| 00:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | they didn't |
| 00:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui they simply picked a very mad default |
| 00:35.10 | bencoh | looks like they did at least for mount ro without noload |
| 00:35.16 | bencoh | yeah |
| 00:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 00:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | me learn: don't trust "-o ro", check twice, in case you wanna make sure your valuable disk doesn't get changed at all |
| 00:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. for forensics, or disaster recovery |
| 00:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | *ideally* you'd trow that switch in that cable to the "lock" position and thus cut the write_enable signal, but hey, I guess that's too old style and doesn't work anymore nowadays (if it *ever* works like this for ATA and beyond) |
| 00:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | worked* |
| 00:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | had such switch in his Amiga floppy disk |
| 00:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | also had a two color LED in that floppy, to show read and write access in different color |
| 00:43.38 | bencoh | 00:43 < bencoh> kerio: lvm snapshots :) |
| 00:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | useless for forensics |
| 00:44.39 | bencoh | for forensics I dd |
| 00:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless it already been a lvm volume |
| 00:44.58 | bencoh | but yeah I was talking about lvm volumes |
| 00:45.18 | bencoh | I hardly use bare fs |
| 00:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, usually you dd. If you want to play safe and not just "have a quick peek what's up" |
| 00:45.22 | kerio | it's not like you are allowed to really touch the actual hard drive beyond a very safe one-pass read |
| 00:45.31 | kerio | in forensics |
| 00:45.39 | kerio | like, the less you do with the evidence, the better |
| 00:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 00:46.22 | bencoh | but why ? evidence tampering is t |
| 00:46.27 | bencoh | fun* ! |
| 00:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd feel like the jackass when that dang automounter mounts the volume, and even my safety measure udev <bus> -o ro would fail to stop writing to the drive |
| 00:47.47 | kerio | hahaha |
| 00:47.51 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: think about systemd |
| 00:47.52 | kerio | yeah, automounter can go fuck itself |
| 00:48.00 | bencoh | what will you do then :> |
| 00:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | see bencoh |
| 00:48.09 | kerio | how do you prevent any write on os x, i wonder |
| 00:48.16 | bencoh | kerio: you dont |
| 00:48.19 | kerio | i think you can't, yeah |
| 00:48.37 | kerio | well ok maybe you stop the automounter then you connect the disk and then you mount read only carefully? |
| 00:48.58 | bencoh | I think it'll still do stuff in your back |
| 00:49.15 | kerio | the only sensible option is a linux box i think |
| 00:49.37 | bencoh | or a bsd |
| 00:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh systemd, lemme pastebin some real fun for you |
| 00:49.42 | kerio | that's cheating |
| 00:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/c65902628c fun with systemd, right? |
| 00:52.01 | bencoh | neo900, zypper ? |
| 00:52.10 | bencoh | what is tthat ? :) |
| 00:52.16 | kerio | what's taht |
| 00:52.42 | bencoh | but yeah, doomed :) |
| 00:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pretty silly update of some 45 packages on a server. none of the pkgs to update looked particularly suspicious |
| 00:53.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just restart systemd |
| 00:53.11 | kerio | ez |
| 00:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL yeah |
| 00:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( |
| 00:53.31 | bencoh | or burn it with fire |
| 00:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would, if devua was already ready for primetime |
| 00:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | devuan actually |
| 00:54.50 | bencoh | I'm still using wheezy |
| 00:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a RM system |
| 00:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | RPM |
| 00:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | centos, fedora, suse, sth like that |
| 00:56.08 | kerio | but apt has super cow powers |
| 00:57.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | can it do zypper ps? ;-P |
| 00:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I guess that zypper ps tells shite |
| 00:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I definitely haven't updated all the lib*.so listed there |
| 00:58.01 | bencoh | lsof | grep DEL |
| 00:58.18 | bencoh | err, lsof -n |grep DEL |
| 00:58.27 | bencoh | unless you need to grab another beer |
| 00:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more left over :-/ |
| 00:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | gonna give the box a shutdown -r now |
| 00:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it drops ssh sessions every 2 or 3 hours too |
| 00:59.53 | kerio | sounds like a healthy system |
| 00:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 01:00.53 | bencoh | 01:53 < bencoh> or burn it with fire |
| 01:01.00 | bencoh | :p |
| 01:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Uptime: 177 days(!), 17:56:50<< |
| 01:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ein boot tut gut |
| 01:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh great, rain on top of snow |
| 01:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather eddn |
| 01:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 50s til boot |
| 01:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | k, time for a shower. Start the new year ;-) o/ |
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| 02:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: happy new year! ((joergscope)) do you know if somebody has already identified and dissected the Rigol OS? |
| 02:59.03 | wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05: one minute to go :) |
| 02:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | time dilatation |
| 02:59.47 | wpwrak | (scope) not sure if anyone went so deep. maybe ask on eevblog. would be very nice indeed to have a reprogrammable scope :) |
| 03:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup! :-9 |
| 03:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) even |
| 03:00.31 | wpwrak | now it counts. thanks ! :) |
| 03:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nmap wasn't too sure about OS guess |
| 03:01.16 | wpwrak | wow. exactly at 00:00 the sirens of fire trucks started. seems that someone just couldn't wait to make a mess :) |
| 03:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it's the firebrigade's way to celebrate new year |
| 03:02.21 | wpwrak | i don't think it's their most happy day of the year :) |
| 03:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly some wino smoked a cracker and threw the cigar. that "gag" happens each new year |
| 03:03.34 | wpwrak | at xmas (when we also have fireworks), an illuminated globe (with candle inside) landed on a factory and burned it to the ground. i'm sure the firefighters enjoyed that little extra celebration :) |
| 03:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the fine asian style hot air balloons, that prolly once got invented to set enemy armies on fire? |
| 03:06.17 | wpwrak | must be something like that, yes. and they work really well. there's some major damage from the critters every year. |
| 03:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | which again makes me wonder if a mix of 2 parts H2 and one part O2 would be lighter than air |
| 03:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess using acetylene or methane wouldn't work |
| 03:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes a mental note for next year's mini war hour |
| 03:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure those hot air fire balloons are completely totally outlawed here |
| 03:14.49 | wpwrak | they may be forbidden here, too. but who cares :) |
| 03:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, here people are simply too lazy to build such delicate stuff |
| 03:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 03:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | since no shop sells those things, they are never seen anywhere |
| 03:17.38 | wpwrak | in my area they seem to be sensible enough to not use the stuff either. none of the critter to see in the surrounding area. |
| 03:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | people who want illegal "good" stuff import Polish or Czech crackers and destroy phone booths and bus waiting sheds |
| 03:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the hardcore subdivion builds their own bombs |
| 03:19.18 | wpwrak | nice :) |
| 03:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | division* |
| 03:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | crackers with metal power component in the gun powder are outlawed. I wonder why ;-) |
| 03:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | powder* |
| 03:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.feuerwerksparadies.de/epages/62081559.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62081559/Categories/Metallpulver/%22Aluminiumpulver%20X-Ray%20%22%22Flash%20Defense%E2%84%A2%22%22%22 |
| 03:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather the Mg powder :-) http://www.feuerwerksparadies.de/epages/62081559.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62081559/Products/%22Magnesiumpulver%20Special%20Pyro%E2%84%A2%20500g%22 |
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| 09:11.57 | kerio | crackers with METAL POWER \m/ |
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| 09:53.50 | SexbotWithExtraO | Botty new year infobot ; |
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| 09:56.17 | Openbot | Lovely new year folks |
| 09:58.43 | Openbot | reSearching for scopes i found anal scope guess what -that thing is horrible |
| 09:59.43 | Openbot | Pure evil :p |
| 09:59.51 | Openbot | Endoscope much better imo |
| 10:01.48 | Openbot | considers that scope perfect for the old farting guy to experiment up_on the new year ; |
| 10:02.55 | Openbot | New year new hopes neoteam ) |
| 10:03.34 | Openbot | Oscilscope is a complex thing |
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| 10:24.27 | Openbot | The stupid part - they lit up a little hay on one hole of the tree as it was windy and cold and minuts later the tree was in flames cracking sounds falling branches and smoke all over ! |
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| 13:29.55 | wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05: did i mention the fiery globes ? well, seems that they scored again: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1756766-otra-vez-un-globo-pirotecnico-causo-un-incendio-y-destruyo-una-casa |
| 13:30.24 | wpwrak | and it seems that they're still allowed |
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| 17:37.52 | *** topic/#neo900 is http://neo900.org | conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23neo900/ and http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900 | 2013-11-04 - the day our fundraiser reached its goal | 2014-05-01 360 devices 75kâ¬| 0712 183 ~30k | 0810 300 ~49k | 0914 346 ~56k |
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| 17:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 17:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks infobot |
| 17:38.29 | infobot | no problem, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.arndt-last.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=161&Itemid=38 this guy is awesome, not for the balloons but for the "origami" stuff |
| 17:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, I prolly cheered too early, qwest.net still has lots of packet loss |
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| 17:48.35 | kerio | tcp packet loss is to be expected |
| 17:48.38 | kerio | with big throughput |
| 17:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 17:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but not 10%, when the throughput is not expected to exceed 1% of available bw |
| 17:54.39 | kerio | *your* bandwidth, sure |
| 17:54.43 | kerio | what about the target's bandwidth? |
| 17:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, target bw, i'm not an idiot |
| 17:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even installed and configured some ethernet networks, back when it was cheapernet still, which had *real* bandwith/collision issues |
| 17:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10base2, ya know? ;-) |
| 17:57.07 | kerio | ethernet still has collision issues if you're using a hub, doesn't it |
| 17:57.13 | kerio | i mean, nobody uses a hub anymore |
| 17:57.14 | kerio | but still :> |
| 17:57.37 | kerio | i think the first ethernet i ever used was 100baseT |
| 17:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, seems to stabilize: 12. rikers.org 0.4% 941 204.4 625.6 198.2 2866. 616.2 |
| 17:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's damn hard to *get* a hub nowadays, which is a sort of a pity for network admins who want to snoop traffic for diagnostic purposes |
| 18:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think some 8 or so years ago, german c't mag had subscription incentive of a hub they dug up somewhere |
| 18:01.33 | kerio | don't most "sophisticated" switches/routers have a mode where every packet is sent to a specific interface? |
| 18:01.41 | kerio | also arp poisoning |
| 18:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, there are ways to do stuff with switch, but they are way less straight forward and convenient than with a hub, and usually need a managed switch |
| 18:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not ideal for solid testing not tampered with by some element that rewrites packet headers |
| 18:04.53 | kerio | to be completely fair |
| 18:05.01 | kerio | to do that kind of testing you should probably use a computer with two ethernet cards |
| 18:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the standard approach noawadays, with obvious downsides |
| 18:06.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you know what's the thing that makes me the most sad |
| 18:06.53 | kerio | os x has no way to pair up wifi and ethernet |
| 18:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | really nasty: you can't find true hubs since idiots call their switches "hub": http://www.ebay.com/bhp/ethernet-hub |
| 18:08.06 | kerio | "hub -switch" returns a bike wheel as the first result |
| 18:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/NETGEAR-4-PORT-10-BASE-T-ETHERNET-HUB-MODEL-EN-104TP-/191464450422 might be a *real* hub |
| 18:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly as good as it gets |
| 18:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, yeah THAT is what you get from searching for *hubs*: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Netgear-EN104TP-4-Port-10-Mbps-Ethernet-Hub-RJ-45-with-Uplink-Button/221395505642?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Db85570b3138f457e9714cb99eecc5563%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191464450422&rt=nc |
| 18:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry for that link |
| 18:11.29 | kerio | aren't ethernet hubs actually just made of wires |
| 18:11.53 | kerio | like, you can chain ethernet cables together in a way that actually makes a hub |
| 18:13.22 | Oksana | Well, truly intelligent hub would make sure that packets do not collide with each other? Like trains if you join the tracks together? |
| 18:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, a hub is active. It's not "just made of wires" |
| 18:14.11 | Oksana | I do not know difference between "hub", "modem", "router", though... |
| 18:14.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_hub |
| 18:14.41 | Oksana | Or, do not remember. Should go to sleep, actually. |
| 18:15.24 | kerio | ooh this is what i was thinking of |
| 18:15.27 | kerio | http://hackaday.com/2008/09/14/passive-networking-tap/ |
| 18:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | massive violation of termination specs |
| 18:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the baseT cables still are transmission lines |
| 18:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | in base2 (and base5) you had terminators which where plugs with integrated termination resistor which you placed on the end points of your line. In baseT those termination resistors moved into PHY of the NIC |
| 18:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus such passive networking tap is maybe a nice quick-n-dirty hack but for sure not suited for proper diagnostics. Odds are it just introduces the transmission errors you observe with it |
| 18:28.03 | kerio | lol |
| 18:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((THAT is what you get)) found another offer for EN-104: 222USD ;-P |
| 18:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you see it's real professional instrumentation, with real professional prices ;-) |
| 18:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | now ponder you could sell 20 or 30 of those per month. Buy at USD 13.-, sell at USD 222.- |
| 18:32.14 | wpwrak | and those networks were real buses. so if one terminator was missing, dozens of stations were in trouble :) |
| 18:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if there are 30 idiots per month to be found on this planet |
| 18:33.05 | kerio | rofl |
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| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | a cheap NIC with termination cut out (using a pair of cutter pliers) - *that* would make a proper busines model. Particularly when you add a nice tag to the NIC: "Gigabit Network Analysis" |
| 18:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | could easily sell such cards for several 100 dollars |
| 18:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status |
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| 19:11.44 | vakkov | DocScrutinizer05: did they rework them beagleboards? btw i bought a cheap n900 with the "all telephony functions disabled" problem and fixed it by rehating the rapuyama and gazoo. i now want to backup the mtd and rework it |
| 19:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | vakkov: no news from BB's. |
| 19:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | rework? |
| 19:14.25 | vakkov | i meant change the nand with the n9 one |
| 19:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooooh! |
| 19:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | where do you lve? |
| 19:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | live even |
| 19:15.38 | vakkov | london; but i'm in sofia right now |
| 19:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe both a possible destination for a letter with a chip? |
| 19:16.04 | vakkov | why do you ask? i have a dead n9 board (in case you want to send me a chip) |
| 19:16.29 | vakkov | can't i use the n9 one? it can be rewritten by a cold flash, right? |
| 19:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | unmounting them chips from their PoP position is prone to damage them. For sure more than using a fresh sealed chip |
| 19:17.32 | vakkov | btw, i don't have a reworking station @ london |
| 19:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I could ask Nikolaus to pack a 1GB PoP into an envelope and send it to you per airmail |
| 19:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or 2) |
| 19:19.13 | vakkov | the guys here (at sofia) removed many PoPs to fix some water damaged phones. but sill - they have more experience with chips than me |
| 19:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the least thing I could do for you :-9 |
| 19:19.32 | vakkov | okay, that would be great! |
| 19:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | please send your mail addr to contact@ |
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| 19:43.53 | mvaenskae | hm, i should find some time the next weeks and setup the n900 again |
| 19:44.40 | mvaenskae | and maybe procure a broken one somewhere to have a case for my upcoming neo900 :) but i am no friend of paypal D: |
| 19:49.37 | mvaenskae | DocScrutinizer05: not sure how your stance on ebay is but maybe check this out, still today http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nokia-N900-groses-Ersatzteillager-/321626344165?pt=DE_Handy_s&hash=item4ae26c8ae5 |
| 19:57.44 | mvaenskae | does anyone know if there exist n900 devices with simlocks? |
| 20:03.31 | mvaenskae | will be back later |
| 20:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | mvaenskae: (ebay) interesting |
| 20:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | simlock: yes exists |
| 20:08.31 | jake42 | DocScrutinizer05: he is gone |
| 20:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen |
| 20:08.51 | jake42 | :-) |
| 20:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | too, for the long pending shower and food |
| 20:14.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it takes so fucking much to drain the n900 battery at 170mA :( |
| 20:16.19 | bencoh | well ... 8h :) |
| 20:19.49 | kerio | i should've enabled boost mode as well |
| 20:19.50 | kerio | but meh |
| 20:20.14 | kerio | i wonder if the wallcharger would complain |
| 20:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 20:23.51 | kerio | it's connected to the wallcharger |
| 21:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why would it discharge? you're a lousy story teller |
| 21:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I had to guess I'd say you're trying to calibrate bq27200 with my calibrate script |
| 21:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | in this case why would wallcharger complain - not to mention I couldn't figure a way how the wallcharger could do so at all |
| 21:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only way it could "complain" is by owverload shutdown |
| 21:15.46 | kerio | ofc i'm using the script |
| 21:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and re calibrating: it *needs* to get done at reasonably "slow" discharge rate, or it will be off a lot due to internal series resistance of LiIon cell "pretending" the cell was empty (at end voltage) while actually the cell itself still holds sufficient energy for hours and hours of _normal_ operation |
| 21:15.52 | kerio | but i only disabled charging |
| 21:16.20 | kerio | i'm discharging it at a stable 170mA, it'll give me a lower total capacity |
| 21:16.34 | kerio | i reckon it's better to underestimate the battery rather than to overestimate it |
| 21:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 21:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually no, nothing depends on battery capacity estimation really |
| 21:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's exclusively needed for display |
| 21:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | even system shutdown is not based on capacity estimation but only on voltage of cell |
| 21:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc iPhone for example shows everything >50% as "full" |
| 21:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on user expectations more than on anything else |
| 21:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since users seem to consider a "4 of 8 bars" already one step beyond doom, commercial products show any battery capacity decay only when real capacity is *significantly* lower than 3/4, often 1/2 |
| 21:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | even a lot of fuel gauges in cars do same |
| 21:36.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah yeah, i meant battery underestimation *for me* |
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| 23:08.06 | Oksana | Moin. ((hoverboard...dress up)) Weird. |
| 23:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin |
| 23:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder why we need a General Assembly establishing a pseudo "community" that every random group of rogue people is free to hijack |
| 23:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a blunt coup d'etat occupying and annecting the maemo community and the assets it owns |
| 23:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/annecting/annex/ |
| 23:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | people who gave donation to HiFo are not supposed to have to get member of any e.V. to execute their legitimate right to decide what's going to happen with those |
| 23:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | at the time the donations were done, such right been established via council and the community electorate voting the members of council |
| 23:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how many community members actually can get bothered to become member of e.V. - the e.V. members will never become a valid maemo community, since there's only one such community and that is the one consisting of maemo.org account holders |
| 23:44.03 | Oksana | Yes, but the legalities probably require personal info (full name, and such). Rather than force all *.maemo.org members to provide their personal data (which would cause lots of resistance), they create GA as active-members front for legalities. |
| 23:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | what sort of "democracy" is THAT? |
| 23:46.03 | Oksana | It would have been even funnier, had the two Councils not merged by now. Imagine: *.maemo.org members electing two Councils, GA electing one Board, Board executing rulings of two Councils and one GA... |
| 23:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | what damn two councils?? |
| 23:46.50 | Oksana | Maemo Council and Hildon Foundation Council. They merged a year or two ago, remember?.. |
| 23:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr nooooo |
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| 23:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it was just me who promised to do that when running for his 2nd(?) council term |
| 23:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I did, since I usually do what I promise |
| 23:49.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually there never really been two councils, that been an artifact from brainless interpretation of HiFo bylaws, ba a patent lawyer |
| 23:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | by* |
| 23:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the guys who *wrote* the HiFo bylaws always meeant HiFo council == Maemo Council == The One Council. From very beginning of HiFo |
| 23:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the patent lawyer said "that's not the words in the bylaws" |
| 23:52.01 | Oksana | :-) Even funnier than I remembered it. |
| 23:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...and insisted in separate votes for a HiFo council |
| 23:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we got another bright guy who invented not only a e.V council but already a complete e.V community |
| 23:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | by invention of the e.V council he thinks he abolished The One Council |
| 23:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | by invention of GA aka e.V. community he thinks he can substitute The Maemo Community |
| 23:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I completely lack to see the legitimation for all that mess |
| 23:56.20 | Oksana | I hope that he learnt from the past, and e.V. council is specifically equal to The One Council. |
| 23:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really since said guy seems to think the e.V bylaws replace the maemo council rules |
| 23:58.02 | Oksana | And I can see how some legal requirements (we need to be sure that the voters are real people!) may have forced e.V. to have "General Assembly" as a subset of The Maemo Community. |
| 23:58.38 | Oksana | going to compare e.V. Council bylaws against Maemo Council bylaws |
| 23:58.45 | wpwrak | it's quite fascinating if you think that this whole ecosystem of politrollicians basically relies on us to feed them ;-) i mean, without neo900, all that's left of maemo are whatever trace amounts if it live on in sailfish, and the rotting remains of nokia, right ? |
| 23:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody needs that damn e.V to start with. How is maemo community interested or involved about the legal requirements of such e.V then? |
| 23:59.11 | bencoh | wpwrak: eww we're not dead yet :p |