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01:51.05DocScrutinizer05\o/ only two hours to install a silly bank transactions import module into dolibarr
02:02.22DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: how's your PHP fu?
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05:48.11DocScrutinizer51hmmm http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?mode=play&obj=50331 still doesn't work. Actually I can't see how to use cutetube to play it
05:54.44DocScrutinizer51but then, microB and hildon mediaplayer work just *excellent*, just needs selecting 'Format: 3gp(mobile)'
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10:44.14DocScrutinizer05Pali: are you online?
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10:59.04merlin1991Dolibarr
10:59.09merlin1991Sounds odd
10:59.36DocScrutinizer05indeed, also *feels* odd
11:00.20DocScrutinizer05I hoped for a minimal system where users could access their own account/order-status
11:01.14DocScrutinizer05it's not. Prolly my fault, I should have checked more closely before I accepted this package getting introduced to our workflow
11:01.26merlin1991The readme is not promising Währinger gürtel 73,  man kann recht gut am ende der schopenhauerstraße stoppen, das ist eine sackgasse dort und das ende davon ist genau um die ecke
11:01.37merlin1991Fucking clipboard on the jolla
11:01.47DocScrutinizer05LOL
11:01.51merlin1991https://github.com/Dolibarr/dolibarr/blob/develop/README.md
11:02.04merlin1991What actually wanted to paste
11:02.48merlin1991Copy by selection works greaaaaaat in the bowser
11:03.22merlin1991Open navigation hey the url is selected -> should be in clipboard now, nope ....
11:04.16DocScrutinizer05vdev anybody?
11:04.35bencohhm ?
11:05.01DocScrutinizer05jude c nelson announced his vdev works on booting devuan vagrant without udev
11:05.13bencohoh, that vdev
11:06.43Wizzupthere's also mdev and eudev... :)
11:06.48Wizzupbut I guess vdev also works
11:07.29DocScrutinizer05particularly vdev is planned device mounter(?) for devuan
11:07.54bencohmdev is <3
11:07.57bencohjust minimalist
11:08.19merlin1991mdev is great
11:08.33DocScrutinizer05will it provide a libudev shim?
11:09.53Wizzupeudev doesn't need it
11:10.02Wizzupmdev probably won't, since it is supposed to be minimalistic
11:12.27DocScrutinizer05errr, it's not the *dev that needs it. It's the userland
11:12.38DocScrutinizer05https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735275
11:13.03bencoh(lib)udev is quite "huge", so providing a shim ...
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11:13.24DocScrutinizer05did those fools ever hear about "You SHALT NOT break lib abi"?
11:13.27bencohdepending on whether you want it to behave like real udev it might show tedious
11:13.34bencohDocScrutinizer05: no, never
11:14.07DocScrutinizer05"we removed a few obsolete symbols" OH NY GOD!
11:14.31DocScrutinizer05congrats, that been quite some achievement
11:15.42DocScrutinizer05creating bloatware (systemd) that eats megabytes for nuttin, but then deleting a few obsolete symbols to save 48 bytes
11:15.51WizzupDocScrutinizer05: I'm saying that mdev will probably not add a him for userland to interface with mdev
11:18.01DocScrutinizer05Pali: what been the exact dependencies between udev and lsusb?
11:18.11DocScrutinizer05...and systemd
11:18.37DocScrutinizer05Pali: maybe /join #devuan
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12:30.31kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, apparently the same minor openssl version can have different ABIs
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14:17.48coagenhello!
14:17.58coagenI'm curious to hear thoughts about the direction OpenMoko is taking regarding systemd
14:19.10jake42coagen: hi
14:19.35coagenjake42: hello
14:19.41jake42basically openmoko is non existant anymore
14:20.54DocScrutinizer05err, well, SHR and FSO are
14:21.51jake42well in this regard: SHR is using systemd as openembedded is using it
14:22.09DocScrutinizer05probably #openmoko-cdevel is the better place to ask anyway
14:22.22DocScrutinizer05WHAT?
14:22.31DocScrutinizer05:-o
14:22.43jake42DocScrutinizer05: you never new? :-)
14:22.46jake42knew
14:22.49bencohjake42: no, you can still build openembedded without systemd
14:23.01DocScrutinizer05nah, I used SHR last time maybe 4 years ago
14:23.02bencohactually the default build is without systemd
14:23.09bencohyou have to enable it if you want it
14:23.13jake42thought so, but someone decided to move to systemd
14:23.13coagenjake42: sorry, I meant neo900 project
14:23.33bencohjake42: unless they did the final move in the past 6 months, it should still be fine
14:23.34coagencopy/paste stupidity on my part
14:23.35coagensorry
14:24.05coagenI'm asking around ;) what can I say
14:24.36DocScrutinizer05~fptf
14:24.36infoboti heard fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
14:24.41coagenso, to reiterate: I'm curious to hear thoughts about the direction neo900 is taking regarding systemd
14:25.27DocScrutinizer05the opposite (or same?) direction like ASUS boards
14:28.40DocScrutinizer05we'll provide a BSP that may be anything from DSL to Ubuntu stripped down to the bare bones. Just enough to run a few shellscripts needed to test the hardware
14:29.05DocScrutinizer05the simpler the better
14:29.56DocScrutinizer05it's up to community and customers to decide what they want to run on Neo900: Linux, BSD, WinCE, MSDOS, TROS
14:30.07bencoh:D
14:31.21DocScrutinizer05however Neo900 group supports and recommends OpenFremantle
14:31.33DocScrutinizer05aka Maemo5_RE'ed
14:31.40DocScrutinizer05~fptf
14:31.40infobotfptf is, like, the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
14:32.39DocScrutinizer05which hardly ever will run with systemd, the cgroups alone are not compatible
14:33.13coagenI've done some fiddling with cyanogenmod, and I really like the f-droid app repo, is there anything like that in OpenFremantle?
14:33.14DocScrutinizer05and those get managed by OHM iirc, which has some blobs - also iirc
14:33.26DocScrutinizer05replicant
14:34.29DocScrutinizer05maemo has a app repo, sure
14:34.40bencohcoagen: fremantle (maemo) has community driven repositories as well
14:35.50DocScrutinizer05~#maemo repository
14:36.00DocScrutinizer05~#maemo repositories
14:36.08DocScrutinizer05no idea
14:36.32DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/ try this
14:36.42bencohanyway, you'd probably be able to run replicant on neo900 as well, at some point :)
14:36.55DocScrutinizer05that's the plan
14:36.57bencoh("we'll see")
14:37.16coagenI'd prolly run replicant
14:37.19coagenif I could
14:37.36coagenthose guys are doing some amazing things
14:38.15coagenslow tho... as it seems with all things related to open source and phones :|
14:39.33bencohwell .... a hostile environment with few (opensource) manpower and a lot of things to do, what would you expect ? :)
14:40.24coagenI remember the first posting about openmoko, I was so excited...
14:40.37coagenbencoh: thank you for the reality check ;)
14:44.26bencoh;)
14:46.18DocScrutinizer05and screw ovenembedded
14:46.36DocScrutinizer05Linux for fridges, now with systemd ;-)
14:47.23bencohmeh, I'm pretty sure it's still not default ;)
14:47.32coagennetbsd on the toaster
14:47.36DocScrutinizer05never quite got the catch of throwing out everything incl user accounts, just to add everything again later on
14:48.08coagenactually fridges come with enlightenment, which afaik, has no ties to systemd currently
14:48.15coagenor am I wrong :/
14:48.17DocScrutinizer05hehe
14:48.50DocScrutinizer05sounds about right, gtk might still be sillyd-free
14:49.50DocScrutinizer05then, I didn't look into enlightenment either for at least 4 years
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14:52.08DocScrutinizer05"use the source, Luke! err, Hendrik"
14:53.06DocScrutinizer05The difference this time, is that we have the source code, which is what the previous revolution bought us.  -- hendrik
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14:54.26bencoh15:48 < coagen> actually fridges come with enlightenment, which afaik, has no ties to systemd currently
14:54.29bencohwrong
14:56.15coagenwhat? they've given in to the cabal?
14:56.20coagenI think I actually read that
14:56.24coagenprobably tried to forget it
14:57.35DocScrutinizer05well, I heard GTK is about Gnome, so it's Gnot surprising
14:59.39bencohcoagen: they (efl) have some optional systemd glue; I dunno about enlightenment (the window manager)
14:59.59bencohbut some of the devs are quite happy about it
15:01.09coagenugh
15:04.35DocScrutinizer05oh dang, could somebody help me out with a hint how to mount exfat?
15:06.00bencohare you sure you want to do that ?
15:07.04DocScrutinizer05yes, alas
15:07.17DocScrutinizer0564GB standard SD card
15:07.22DocScrutinizer05from camera
15:07.36bencohyou can try fuse
15:10.20DocScrutinizer05I'll try to try fuse
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15:35.14DocScrutinizer05ta, worked
15:35.28enycSD card compatibility gets ''fun''
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17:06.26PaliDocScrutinizer05: new version of lsusb (which fix bugs like infinite loop) depends on new version of udev (version which depends on kernel 2.6.32+)
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