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01:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ only two hours to install a silly bank transactions import module into dolibarr |
02:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: how's your PHP fu? |
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05:48.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?mode=play&obj=50331 still doesn't work. Actually I can't see how to use cutetube to play it |
05:54.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | but then, microB and hildon mediaplayer work just *excellent*, just needs selecting 'Format: 3gp(mobile)' |
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10:44.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: are you online? |
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10:59.04 | merlin1991 | Dolibarr |
10:59.09 | merlin1991 | Sounds odd |
10:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, also *feels* odd |
11:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped for a minimal system where users could access their own account/order-status |
11:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not. Prolly my fault, I should have checked more closely before I accepted this package getting introduced to our workflow |
11:01.26 | merlin1991 | The readme is not promising Währinger gürtel 73, man kann recht gut am ende der schopenhauerstraÃe stoppen, das ist eine sackgasse dort und das ende davon ist genau um die ecke |
11:01.37 | merlin1991 | Fucking clipboard on the jolla |
11:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
11:01.51 | merlin1991 | https://github.com/Dolibarr/dolibarr/blob/develop/README.md |
11:02.04 | merlin1991 | What actually wanted to paste |
11:02.48 | merlin1991 | Copy by selection works greaaaaaat in the bowser |
11:03.22 | merlin1991 | Open navigation hey the url is selected -> should be in clipboard now, nope .... |
11:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | vdev anybody? |
11:04.35 | bencoh | hm ? |
11:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | jude c nelson announced his vdev works on booting devuan vagrant without udev |
11:05.13 | bencoh | oh, that vdev |
11:06.43 | Wizzup | there's also mdev and eudev... :) |
11:06.48 | Wizzup | but I guess vdev also works |
11:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly vdev is planned device mounter(?) for devuan |
11:07.54 | bencoh | mdev is <3 |
11:07.57 | bencoh | just minimalist |
11:08.19 | merlin1991 | mdev is great |
11:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | will it provide a libudev shim? |
11:09.53 | Wizzup | eudev doesn't need it |
11:10.02 | Wizzup | mdev probably won't, since it is supposed to be minimalistic |
11:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, it's not the *dev that needs it. It's the userland |
11:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735275 |
11:13.03 | bencoh | (lib)udev is quite "huge", so providing a shim ... |
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11:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | did those fools ever hear about "You SHALT NOT break lib abi"? |
11:13.27 | bencoh | depending on whether you want it to behave like real udev it might show tedious |
11:13.34 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: no, never |
11:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | "we removed a few obsolete symbols" OH NY GOD! |
11:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats, that been quite some achievement |
11:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | creating bloatware (systemd) that eats megabytes for nuttin, but then deleting a few obsolete symbols to save 48 bytes |
11:15.51 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I'm saying that mdev will probably not add a him for userland to interface with mdev |
11:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: what been the exact dependencies between udev and lsusb? |
11:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...and systemd |
11:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: maybe /join #devuan |
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12:30.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, apparently the same minor openssl version can have different ABIs |
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14:17.48 | coagen | hello! |
14:17.58 | coagen | I'm curious to hear thoughts about the direction OpenMoko is taking regarding systemd |
14:19.10 | jake42 | coagen: hi |
14:19.35 | coagen | jake42: hello |
14:19.41 | jake42 | basically openmoko is non existant anymore |
14:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, well, SHR and FSO are |
14:21.51 | jake42 | well in this regard: SHR is using systemd as openembedded is using it |
14:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably #openmoko-cdevel is the better place to ask anyway |
14:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHAT? |
14:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
14:22.43 | jake42 | DocScrutinizer05: you never new? :-) |
14:22.46 | jake42 | knew |
14:22.49 | bencoh | jake42: no, you can still build openembedded without systemd |
14:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I used SHR last time maybe 4 years ago |
14:23.02 | bencoh | actually the default build is without systemd |
14:23.09 | bencoh | you have to enable it if you want it |
14:23.13 | jake42 | thought so, but someone decided to move to systemd |
14:23.13 | coagen | jake42: sorry, I meant neo900 project |
14:23.33 | bencoh | jake42: unless they did the final move in the past 6 months, it should still be fine |
14:23.34 | coagen | copy/paste stupidity on my part |
14:23.35 | coagen | sorry |
14:24.05 | coagen | I'm asking around ;) what can I say |
14:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
14:24.36 | infobot | i heard fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
14:24.41 | coagen | so, to reiterate: I'm curious to hear thoughts about the direction neo900 is taking regarding systemd |
14:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the opposite (or same?) direction like ASUS boards |
14:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll provide a BSP that may be anything from DSL to Ubuntu stripped down to the bare bones. Just enough to run a few shellscripts needed to test the hardware |
14:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the simpler the better |
14:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's up to community and customers to decide what they want to run on Neo900: Linux, BSD, WinCE, MSDOS, TROS |
14:30.07 | bencoh | :D |
14:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | however Neo900 group supports and recommends OpenFremantle |
14:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka Maemo5_RE'ed |
14:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
14:31.40 | infobot | fptf is, like, the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
14:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which hardly ever will run with systemd, the cgroups alone are not compatible |
14:33.13 | coagen | I've done some fiddling with cyanogenmod, and I really like the f-droid app repo, is there anything like that in OpenFremantle? |
14:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those get managed by OHM iirc, which has some blobs - also iirc |
14:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | replicant |
14:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo has a app repo, sure |
14:34.40 | bencoh | coagen: fremantle (maemo) has community driven repositories as well |
14:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo repository |
14:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo repositories |
14:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea |
14:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ try this |
14:36.42 | bencoh | anyway, you'd probably be able to run replicant on neo900 as well, at some point :) |
14:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the plan |
14:36.57 | bencoh | ("we'll see") |
14:37.16 | coagen | I'd prolly run replicant |
14:37.19 | coagen | if I could |
14:37.36 | coagen | those guys are doing some amazing things |
14:38.15 | coagen | slow tho... as it seems with all things related to open source and phones :| |
14:39.33 | bencoh | well .... a hostile environment with few (opensource) manpower and a lot of things to do, what would you expect ? :) |
14:40.24 | coagen | I remember the first posting about openmoko, I was so excited... |
14:40.37 | coagen | bencoh: thank you for the reality check ;) |
14:44.26 | bencoh | ;) |
14:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and screw ovenembedded |
14:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linux for fridges, now with systemd ;-) |
14:47.23 | bencoh | meh, I'm pretty sure it's still not default ;) |
14:47.32 | coagen | netbsd on the toaster |
14:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | never quite got the catch of throwing out everything incl user accounts, just to add everything again later on |
14:48.08 | coagen | actually fridges come with enlightenment, which afaik, has no ties to systemd currently |
14:48.15 | coagen | or am I wrong :/ |
14:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
14:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right, gtk might still be sillyd-free |
14:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, I didn't look into enlightenment either for at least 4 years |
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14:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | "use the source, Luke! err, Hendrik" |
14:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | The difference this time, is that we have the source code, which is what the previous revolution bought us. -- hendrik |
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14:54.26 | bencoh | 15:48 < coagen> actually fridges come with enlightenment, which afaik, has no ties to systemd currently |
14:54.29 | bencoh | wrong |
14:56.15 | coagen | what? they've given in to the cabal? |
14:56.20 | coagen | I think I actually read that |
14:56.24 | coagen | probably tried to forget it |
14:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I heard GTK is about Gnome, so it's Gnot surprising |
14:59.39 | bencoh | coagen: they (efl) have some optional systemd glue; I dunno about enlightenment (the window manager) |
14:59.59 | bencoh | but some of the devs are quite happy about it |
15:01.09 | coagen | ugh |
15:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh dang, could somebody help me out with a hint how to mount exfat? |
15:06.00 | bencoh | are you sure you want to do that ? |
15:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, alas |
15:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | 64GB standard SD card |
15:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | from camera |
15:07.36 | bencoh | you can try fuse |
15:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to try fuse |
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15:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta, worked |
15:35.28 | enyc | SD card compatibility gets ''fun'' |
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17:06.26 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: new version of lsusb (which fix bugs like infinite loop) depends on new version of udev (version which depends on kernel 2.6.32+) |
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