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| 04:07.45 | openbot_ | DocScrutinizer05 - confirmed by talking to my isp |
| 04:08.02 | openbot_ | they openly do extortion |
| 04:08.10 | openbot_ | i am a small fish |
| 04:09.08 | openbot_ | i cannot use any router else they charge for it |
| 04:09.28 | openbot_ | is there any other way |
| 04:10.46 | openbot_ | the question is when will the day come that they get burnt by fire |
| 04:11.34 | openbot_ | i can set up a router silently but that voilates my contract with the extortionist |
| 04:12.59 | openbot_ | and i just got started with this crockery i.e not enough knowledge to find a solution on my own |
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| 13:04.59 | enyc | DocScrutinizer05: i note, abave, there are many adapters to put second hdd/sdd in optical-drive-bay for laptops etc.... =) |
| 13:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | optical drives are power greedy, particularly during write mode |
| 13:05.54 | enyc | I use a HP laptop where the SATA port broke along with a failed fujitsu sata hdd ;p |
| 13:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no problem with having a rather humble SSD there |
| 13:06.23 | enyc | using raid-1 of USB sticks sat inside the hdd-bay |
| 13:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm busy, need to get some insurance stuff done |
| 13:06.56 | enyc | one uses the usb signals from an external usb port (now wired as charging-port instead), the other uses usb signals from a mini-pcie-slot =) |
| 13:07.00 | enyc | DocScrutinizer05: good luck =) |
| 13:07.03 | FIQ | <openbot_> [04:07:08] they openly do extortion |
| 13:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 13:07.08 | FIQ | at least they're open about it |
| 13:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | please when openbotty comes back, tell him those suckers basically have no means to tell apart a private (NAT) router from a PC you connected |
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| 13:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | what they meant prolly is "you must not replace our router on the pole with your own one" - which is pretty obvious |
| 13:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((no means)) it would be possible by analyzing IVs resp sequence numbers on IP packets, which in a deep analysis gives relatively good hint of how many separate OS (also in VM) are running on that internet connection |
| 13:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is very demanding a task to do though |
| 13:13.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they still couldn't tell apart a router from a windows PC that "shares internet via WLAN" |
| 13:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 19:59.38 | openbot | DocScrutinizer05 yes you are right my faculty told me so when i asked |
| 20:00.06 | openbot | i read like 1000 cisco pages today |
| 20:00.34 | openbot | shortly i should be a network engineer |
| 20:02.45 | openbot | and the good part is i have decided to get enroled to a short (6 months) networking course |
| 20:02.57 | openbot | and i am damm serious |
| 20:04.12 | openbot | i need to find some time or maybe substract some of my hobbies as network seems to be too imp to be ignored |
| 20:06.09 | openbot | the word (extortion) seems to be wrong but some similar word would be fit i mean its just my terrible vocabulary |
| 20:07.09 | openbot | about 'openly' yes they do it openly in my whole nebiourhood |
| 20:09.02 | openbot | i did some research to their behaviour and found out the core reason |
| 20:10.17 | openbot | it is like smashing all the apples in a basket because of a few rotten apples |
| 20:12.59 | openbot | the reason to charge for a router is some fellow students became ISP'S i.e they applied for a conection and shared it to a dozen dividing the costs |
| 20:13.30 | openbot | so the isp is in loss "thats their statement" |
| 20:14.18 | openbot | so they earn some of the lost revenue by this wicked method |
| 20:15.20 | openbot | which is prevalent in my area as people do not know router is a intregal part of the internet |
| 20:18.25 | openbot | hell the internet is faceb ook or maybe twitter or whatsapp or a giant hard disk from where they can download stuff iand they think router charges are standerd and pay for a router |
| 20:19.43 | openbot | i.e only a few asked them i.e i am one of the half adozen |
| 20:20.24 | openbot | its like the local isp embedded the idea to peoples brains |
| 20:20.49 | openbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.02 | openbot | i talked to them again and didnt hold back |
| 20:23.39 | openbot | charges per month for a router is 200 rs (3.01) us dollars |
| 20:26.03 | openbot | 200 rs is a little pocket money for students but it matters for many spending it uselessly at least in a devloping country like india |
| 20:27.46 | openbot | the strange part is i got offerd a rs 50 (usd 0.75) when i started to investigate more and more |
| 20:28.17 | openbot | its like bribing but insted actually taking money |
| 20:32.26 | openbot | for 520 rs (7.82 usd) they provide 512kb bandwith for a month then add up another rs 200 (3.01) so it goes to 720 rs (10.83 usd) |
| 20:32.47 | openbot | that does hurt my small pocket |
| 20:35.01 | openbot | and 512 kbps is just terrible i.e actual speed is like 60kbps stable or at lucky times goes up to like 80kpbs stable sometimes jumping to 120 or 150 kbps |
| 20:37.53 | openbot | so naturally one would go for 1mbps link that costs 850 rs (12.78 usd) then add 200 (3.01 usd ) to it |
| 20:39.24 | openbot | its crazy |
| 20:40.23 | openbot | but not crazy if one can implement the idea and generate additional revenue |
| 20:40.39 | openbot | it becomes a standerd |
| 20:40.44 | openbot | :) |
| 20:41.58 | Psykus | so does anyone use a vanilla n900 as their daily driver phone still? considering picking one up off craigslist for $65 |
| 20:45.36 | pigeons | check coverage in your area, some usa areas carriers have been removing older equipment for more lte coverage and i now have another phone |
| 20:46.00 | pigeons | but thats a good price, you can use the case etc for your neo900 |
| 20:47.24 | Psykus | ouch |
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| 20:51.12 | openbot | thats a good price if you need its a fair deal Psykus |
| 20:53.05 | openbot | DocScrutinizer05 - router as in wired ethernet or a wireless wifi router |
| 20:55.32 | openbot | DocScrutinizer05 - and no i do not have any intentions to replace the switch or router or whatever multilanport device the pole houses |
| 20:56.09 | openbot | DocScrutinizer05 - do you really think i am that crazy :O |
| 20:59.36 | openbot | i dont know what to do next accept the discount pay full fee or get the line disconected and be done with limited 2g or exotic 3g as before |
| 20:59.43 | openbot | i feel terrible |
| 21:00.59 | openbot | its like the only option you have and they take advantage of it |
| 21:01.52 | openbot | but for sure wired internet is a whole diffrent experience |
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| 21:09.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm he's gone? |
| 21:09.12 | openbot | except the mitm login page |
| 21:09.27 | openbot | like i got disconeted now |
| 21:09.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | openbot: get a touter! |
| 21:09.39 | openbot | when idle |
| 21:09.47 | openbot | touter |
| 21:10.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | router |
| 21:10.16 | openbot | you do terrible typos too ? |
| 21:10.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | keep your 'single PC' line |
| 21:10.30 | openbot | yes |
| 21:10.44 | openbot | what is single pc line |
| 21:11.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | the cable that comes from that pole |
| 21:11.11 | openbot | i got 2 lappies |
| 21:11.58 | openbot | one good vaio that i am going to sell |
| 21:12.14 | openbot | and a working hp |
| 21:12.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | connect that cable to a 7USD wet54g and everything fine |
| 21:12.41 | openbot | ebay.in |
| 21:12.57 | openbot | can you check there |
| 21:13.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | not now |
| 21:13.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | later |
| 21:13.23 | openbot | i was looking for routers too but cant select one |
| 21:13.37 | openbot | ok sure |
| 21:14.04 | openbot | any input at any time is more than welcome |
| 21:14.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | stay tuned |
| 21:14.39 | openbot | you have no idea how much this off topic discussion helped me |
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| 21:28.31 | openbot | now this is laughable |
| 21:29.03 | openbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.02 | openbot | the wire became useless |
| 21:30.12 | openbot | dns not responding |
| 21:30.21 | openbot | can i use google dns |
| 21:31.29 | openbot | login page is irritating at best |
| 21:32.00 | openbot | but it does provide lan cable misuse protection |
| 21:32.29 | openbot | but then it expires too ofen at times |
| 21:33.10 | openbot | i thing god desined custom hell tailored for me |
| 21:33.26 | openbot | cya |
| 21:34.05 | openbot | being any longer here would eat my talktime :D |
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