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| 09:58.54 | ceene | DocScrutinizer51: those silego chips are like small FPGAs? |
| 09:59.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 10:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the engineers at silego are _really_ friendly. Proof: they sell their own chips off factory by the dozen |
| 10:01.04 | ceene | i see they provide libraries for eagle, orcad and altium |
| 10:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would've been surprised if they don't |
| 10:01.34 | ceene | not everybody does |
| 10:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, most chip manufs are not interested in a wide market, they rather optimize all their strategy towards one or two very big customers and "fuck the rest" |
| 10:04.24 | ceene | tell that to macom |
| 10:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>datasheets? sure, no problem. Sign this contract that obliges you to buy 1 million chips during next 2 years and we send a field engineer to bring and read the datasheet to you<< |
| 10:04.35 | ceene | which has stopped selling GaAn amplifiers |
| 10:04.50 | ceene | with basically no notice |
| 10:05.07 | ceene | we were about to start a design when our distributor told that |
| 10:05.09 | ceene | :/ |
| 10:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | been there seen that, yes |
| 10:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | always nasty |
| 10:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | they joys of sourcing |
| 10:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sourcing isn't "let's go shopping" - it's way more intricate and involved |
| 10:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/they/the/ |
| 10:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're lucky, the chip manuf has a warranty about avalability span of the component |
| 10:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually you're not lucky though |
| 10:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | such warranties are part of contracts that are only available to customers buying millions of chips |
| 10:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | for microscopic amounts like one reel of 2500 components you always get aftermarket |
| 10:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | where you can find stuff even decades after EOL |
| 10:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually, unless you got bad luck |
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| 10:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: did you look into the PWM sine wave generator application note for greenpak5? awesome |
| 10:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.silego.com/uploads/Products/product_479/details/AN-1111 Sine Wave Generator.gp5 |
| 10:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck!! |
| 10:17.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.silego.com/uploads/Products/product_479/details/AN-1111%20Sine%20Wave%20Generator.gp5 |
| 10:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | wants a clear indication of encoding/decoding spaces and other nonprintables in URLs during c%p |
| 10:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | c&p even |
| 10:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's completely unclear to mee when KDE et all encode and when they decode during c&p |
| 10:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | typing bounces |
| 10:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | me* et al* |
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| 10:54.46 | ceene | i haven't had the chance yet |
| 11:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | they use 2 oscillators (counters) with minimally differing period times to create both a PWM signal and the sine wave modulated onto the PWM same time - extremely nifty |
| 11:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | also very inspiring (though it's not obvious which chip they actually use [SLG46531V] ): http://www.silego.com/products/446/312/AN-1097.html |
| 11:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | just browse thorough http://www.silego.com/softdoc/app_notes.html?filterPN=SLG46531V and find stuff interesting for you |
| 11:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: ceene: (IO-extenders) I'm just pondering the pros&cons of http://www.silego.com/products/419/312/AN-1090.html vs a dedicated IO-extender chip |
| 11:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.silego.com/uploads/Products/product_419/details/AN-1090%20Simple%20I2C%20IO%20Controllers%20with%20SLG46531.pdf |
| 11:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the extremely great feature of such (mixed signal) CPLD is: you first time actually can "fix bugs" after hw deployment, to a certain degree |
| 11:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to the in-circuit programmable feature |
| 12:04.56 | Arch-TK | DocScrutinizer05: they shouldn't urlencode/decode at all |
| 12:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, the replacing of spaces by %20 comes in handy |
| 12:05.22 | Arch-TK | might be your web browser trying to be "smart" but I hope that KDE doesn't do that.. That would be idiotic. |
| 12:05.34 | Arch-TK | In the browser? |
| 12:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the browser doesn't do it in the URL field |
| 12:06.02 | Arch-TK | I see |
| 12:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but e.g. in (this) Konversation IRC client, simply picking the %20 URL a few line up and drag&drop it into the input field results in http://www.silego.com/uploads/Products/product_419/details/AN-1090 Simple I2C IO Controllers with SLG46531.pdf |
| 12:07.12 | Arch-TK | my web browser (qutebrowser) displays the URLs as urldecoded but when I yy the URL (copy it) it fixes it so it's all urlencoded |
| 12:07.38 | Arch-TK | hmm |
| 12:07.40 | Arch-TK | that's really weird |
| 12:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.silego.com/uploads/Products/product_419/details/AN-1090%20Simple%20I2C%20IO%20Controllers%20with%20SLG46531.pdf when I use "copy link address" context meny and then paste with MMB |
| 12:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/meny/menu/ |
| 12:09.10 | Arch-TK | hmm |
| 12:09.16 | Arch-TK | mmb pastes from your clipboard with kde? |
| 12:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so obviously drag&drop is different from "copy link addr" and paste |
| 12:09.32 | Arch-TK | For me, mmb has always been the selection buffer. |
| 12:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, kde klipboard |
| 12:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | clipboard content is escaped |
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| 12:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW a 100% copy of the URL |
| 12:10.34 | Arch-TK | I don't think I could manage with that :P |
| 12:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I don't know for sure whether MMB now pastes from clipboard or from X11 buffer, since the "sync clipboard with X11" feature of klipboard is broken |
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| 13:56.38 | enyc | DocScrutinizer51, Arch-TK: reading above... I think useful project progress and completion plan, and so forth to show really can get there, will help with attracting potential purchasers.... problem being outwardly the project ''looks stale'' ... |
| 13:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm aware of this problem, alas I'm a terrible website editor and we have nobody willing to pick up on the task |
| 13:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | initially dos1 did an awesome job on this, but he's obviously busy with other stuff since quite long time already |
| 14:42.54 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: well, I'm willing. I just don't know what to put there, and more importantly how to make something you (and everybody else) can use. It's easier for me to just go around and talk about the project to people :) |
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| 14:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: simply update the frontpage, ideally summarize what you noticed we do |
| 14:50.39 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: "summarize what you noticed we do" is probably the hard part. I have no clue what you're doing. It's a bit like asking a falconer to shoot a gun for hunting. |
| 14:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if no better sources come to mind, a short summary of what is in chanlog of this very chan would already go a long way |
| 14:51.22 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: I'd rather have you update the contents in a way that satisfies your workflow and the web automation |
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| 15:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | enyc: see? |
| 15:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is not about workflow and tools, it's about we're in need of an editor and communications officer |
| 15:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | my text production is at a rate of ~0.2 words per minute, and even wpwrak who writes excellent texts is not feeling like writing newsletters or doing news updates on the website |
| 15:45.29 | Kero | hellekin: I'm in the same position as you: willing to help, not entirely sure what to put up. |
| 15:46.32 | Kero | it would help me to do such a job together with someone, to leave DocScrutinizer05 and others to do the work where it is much harder for me to help (I'm a SW person) |
| 16:21.20 | pigeons | Also let me know and I'll see what i can do too |
| 17:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a tad of update info: since we burned a roughly 6 months already with trying to evaluate and establish alternative procedures to the originally planned layout by Nikolaus/GDC, the announced out time of Nikolaus (6-9 months) already starts to expire, and so a few days ago we sent an inquiry if he's be willing to resume on the established workflow eventually. We're waiting for the response |
| 17:18.09 | Arch-TK | Ideal for things to put on the website: |
| 17:18.17 | Arch-TK | "ISIS Causes Delays" |
| 17:19.31 | Arch-TK | "Heated discussions about possibility of including 6581 SID chip continue" |
| 17:20.49 | Arch-TK | "Unexpected lack of creativity causes major website staleness" |
| 17:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, that's why I feel tired to post anything news |
| 17:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 17:21.41 | Arch-TK | Bye! |
| 17:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm honestly fed up with nonsense invented and made up from my words |
| 17:23.41 | Arch-TK | I was just joking. But I think trying to do a weekly summary of the channel log can be a good way to introduce noise and busyness to the website. |
| 17:24.05 | Arch-TK | Certainly some things are worth saying. |
| 17:24.35 | Arch-TK | Heck, even that fancy sine wave chip that I have no idea about can be made into some kind of microblog / something entry. |
| 17:24.41 | Arch-TK | "Hey: look at this cool chip" |
| 17:24.55 | Arch-TK | I'm sure the target audience of this project would be interested. |
| 17:26.35 | Arch-TK | Maybe it might be worth actually paying someone to do some promotion. I mean the EFF and FSF and all those places all have people who are employed entirely to bring more people together to look at things that they might have never sought out to look. |
| 17:27.17 | Arch-TK | Stuff like all these bills trying to be passed in the USA which would normally be entirely missed by most people. |
| 17:27.49 | Arch-TK | Heck, maybe even people like the EFF and FSF can be asked to help promote the project and make it a reality. |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead! while the engineers do their engineering business |
| 17:31.23 | Arch-TK | I will send some emails to the FSF and the EFF asking if they would be interested in promoting things. If they want to contact someone directly connected to the project, who's email should I give them? |
| 17:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | again: the project is in dire need of a communications officer. And I spent more time than I have budget for trying to find one already |
| 17:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's NOT about *me* providing a patch that some web programmer will apply to the website html code. I'm probably even capable to do that myself. We have no such patches, that's the point |
| 17:34.25 | Arch-TK | Why not put on the website that the project is looking for a communication's officer? |
| 17:35.51 | pigeons | vetting and babysitting and correcting and dealing with falloout from the mistakes of the communications officer takes away from building neo900 too |
| 17:36.32 | pigeons | I'll volunteer though. I've never been an officer before |
| 17:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty simple: you want something get done (except engineering which is my job)? go and simply do it |
| 17:38.32 | pigeons | :) |
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| 18:34.18 | wpwrak | mmh, i'm afraid i won't be of much use for helping with the PR discussion at the moment, at least unless you see me drifting in and out of feverish dreams as an asset. down with seasonal entertainment (flu) :-( |
| 18:37.27 | Arch-TK | flu in the middle of summer? |
| 18:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Arch-TK: think! |
| 18:39.44 | wpwrak | Arch-TK: happens. e.g., i had a particularly nasty one in december january. but i'm in the southern hemisphere anyway, so it's at least seasonally correct |
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| 18:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: get well soon! |
| 18:39.59 | Arch-TK | ah |
| 18:40.15 | Arch-TK | I was considering you might be on the southern hemisphere. |
| 18:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wpwrak |
| 18:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 18:41.03 | wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05: thanks ! |
| 18:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wpwrak is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Almesberger |
| 18:41.36 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 18:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: sory for defining _your_ factoid, you actaully literally own it (you can define it to your liking and even lock it so it won't get tampered by others) |
| 18:44.19 | Arch-TK | didn't know. |
| 18:44.39 | Arch-TK | wpwrak: your birthday is 13 days after mine (not the year, but the day and the month) |
| 18:49.01 | Arch-TK | and you're the guy who is in charge of the wonderful anelok |
| 18:51.09 | wpwrak | whee, the word spread ! :) |
| 18:51.31 | Arch-TK | Yes, I've still not worked out where on that website I can send you all my money. |
| 18:53.41 | Arch-TK | can I blame you for FAT-12? |
| 18:53.58 | wpwrak | if you want to donate to development, you can do that any time :) but if you're looking to buy / pre-order / crowrdfund a unit, then i'm not quite ready yet. still got a bunch of loose ends to address. |
| 18:54.28 | wpwrak | fat-12 and fat-16 support in the linux kernel, yes. didn't invent the evil FAT, though. |
| 18:54.45 | Arch-TK | ah, the wiki made it sound like you invented FAT |
| 18:55.14 | wpwrak | what is interesting is that the code nowadays still looks pretty much is it did back when i wrote it. |
| 18:56.37 | Arch-TK | Probably everyone was scared of touching it because it deals with FAT. |
| 18:56.51 | freemangordon | wpwrak: you wrote linux kernel FAT driver? |
| 18:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if FAT even been invented by Billyboy Gates or if he "stole" it from that unknown hacker where he got that initial DOS code from |
| 18:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yes |
| 18:57.30 | freemangordon | wow |
| 18:57.38 | wpwrak | sins of the youth :) |
| 18:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 18:57.49 | freemangordon | naah, why is that? |
| 18:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | mumbles loadlin |
| 18:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | lilo |
| 18:59.11 | freemangordon | is that even still exists? |
| 18:59.27 | Arch-TK | apparently |
| 18:59.47 | Arch-TK | development was discontinued last year |
| 19:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-06-16/?msg=68021948&page=1 |
| 19:02.29 | Arch-TK | wpwrak: regarding donations, yes I would be happy to donate |
| 19:02.55 | Arch-TK | I would be really happy if anelok became something that works because it sounds like something that could serve me for years (unless I lost it) |
| 19:04.55 | bencoh | hm it does ring a bell |
| 19:09.43 | wpwrak | (lost) you can also make backups :) in fact, these days i'm working on finally implementing that distributed editing of the account database now |
| 19:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-07-06 Wed 21:14:09] <wpwrak> all this is in here: https://neo900.org/git/?p=misc;a=blob;f=pinmux/neo900.assign |
| 19:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://neo900.org/git/?p=misc;a=log;pg=1 |
| 19:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (FAT) thought as much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standalone_Disk_BASIC-80 |
| 19:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The Altair BASIC interpreter was developed by Microsoft founders Paul Allen and Bill Gates with help from Monte Davidoff<< |
| 19:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | not "unknown hacker" but Monte Davidoff, it seems |
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| 21:14.48 | edwin | hmm OpenCellular is only about the operator side, not the mobile device side? |
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| 22:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey ceene, don't you ever have holiday, so I could visit you in Spain and sit whole day at Ahyka's side to answer questions during layout? |
| 22:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | adyes, and it looks like a lame knockoff of openbts |
| 22:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | see sysmocom |
| 22:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes* |
| 22:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, edwin: yes, ...* |
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