| 00:06.10 | houkime | u802 - wrong footprint with wrong number of pins again. needs to be qfn21 3x3 but there is no such fp. Guess DIY again. Although that is a standard one, mb can be found/generated for free (unlike murata 1.7 mm switch that i had to do by png conversion). |
| 00:18.00 | houkime | gonna do it tomorrow. Now sleep time. |
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| 07:33.12 | ceene- | https://www.snapeda.com/ |
| 07:33.18 | ceene- | maybe we can find missing footprints there |
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| 09:48.40 | houkime | found one specially for silicon labs in this repo https://github.com/KiCad/Housings_DFN_QFN.pretty |
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| 10:13.48 | enyc | houkime: hrrrm, have you been seconded to the layout team or so? ;-) |
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| 10:17.49 | houkime | enyc: this "layout team" now consists mostly of me as I understand. Because nobody have done anything on it since october or so. |
| 10:19.28 | enyc | houkime: this is good news there IS a layouter =) |
| 10:20.10 | enyc | houkime: at sempo intoitnt hopefull ythis can lead to a news-articel etc.? |
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| 10:30.30 | houkime | idk. For now I'm just rechecking and syncing stuff. Will be done with syncing today I hope. Then I'll need to solve a placing puzzle and then (only then, unlike metacollin) do routing. |
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| 10:45.54 | enyc | houkime: right, yes, good =) |
| 10:46.06 | enyc | houkime: sync'ing 'sa in, synich with upstream cheanges to definitions of footprints and whatever? |
| 10:50.01 | houkime | enyc: primarily just syncing between pcb, footprints and schematics. Some errors like wrong pin numbers, pin counts etc leading to inconsistent netlist. |
| 10:50.39 | enyc | good, good to have difeferent eyes to the same problem etc. |
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| 11:39.42 | houkime | U1301 symbol broken for editor. |
| 11:40.40 | houkime | idk if kicad will fix it or symbols need to be fixed |
| 11:41.40 | houkime | also it is not displaying his exp pin. adding to TODO. |
| 11:42.25 | houkime | (which kinda means that this part won;t be gronded in the netlist until fixed.) |
| 11:42.45 | houkime | *grounded |
| 11:44.41 | houkime | I guess I will need to recheck every single element again if such stuff happens. |
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| 12:35.07 | houkime | u1301 ok. me silly. |
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| 18:07.34 | Joerg-Neo900 | sorry, test |
| 18:07.45 | Joerg-Neo900 | [2018-04-05 Thu 19:49:10] <Joerg-Neo900> jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/Neo900/projbin/neo900-proj/ee-full-mclayout2/hw> cat ./getsilego |
| 18:07.46 | Joerg-Neo900 | [2018-04-05 Thu 19:49:10] <Joerg-Neo900> #!/bin/sh |
| 18:07.48 | Joerg-Neo900 | [2018-04-05 Thu 19:49:10] <Joerg-Neo900> #get the URLof the pdf datasheet for a silego product, input searchstring as parameter, return URL via stdout |
| 18:07.49 | Joerg-Neo900 | [2018-04-05 Thu 19:49:10] <Joerg-Neo900> #v1.01 JR |
| 18:07.51 | Joerg-Neo900 | [2018-04-05 Thu 19:49:10] <Joerg-Neo900> echo -n $(wget -q http://www.silego.com/softdoc/datasheet.html?filterPN=${1} -O -|sed -n "s%.*href\=\"\([^ ]*${1}[^ ]*pdf\)\".*%\1%;T;p;q" ) |
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| 18:26.27 | houkime | created new fp for r-xbga-N6. The most beautiful fp I created, but only with the power of text editing. |
| 18:28.48 | houkime | need to upgrade fped to support my dark widgets+white text, otherwise can't see a thing. Navigation in fped is also too poor for it to be usable.. |
| 18:29.07 | houkime | for now manual text editing. |
| 18:29.25 | Joerg-Neo900 | you're using fped? nice :-) |
| 18:29.55 | houkime | I tried to use it, but man this is an ergonomic nightmare. |
| 18:29.57 | Joerg-Neo900 | netacollin used his own tools for making the footprints, aiui |
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| 18:30.58 | Joerg-Neo900 | yeah, fped has a steep learning curve and no "the UI is self explanatory" |
| 18:32.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | the readme helped a lot for me approaching fped |
| 18:33.01 | Joerg-Neo900 | also you need to build from upstream. what distros deliver as fped is bitrotten to the bones |
| 18:33.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | ~fped |
| 18:33.28 | Joerg-Neo900 | hmmm |
| 18:35.13 | houkime | arch does not deliver fped other than in the form of a git AUR pack, so building from upstream is automatical and is the only option |
| 18:35.23 | houkime | love arch. |
| 18:36.09 | Joerg-Neo900 | hmm, please check you actually pull the latest version from the right git |
| 18:36.31 | Joerg-Neo900 | no idea about arch here |
| 18:37.08 | atk | from git://projects.qi-hardware.com/fped.git |
| 18:37.15 | Joerg-Neo900 | yup |
| 18:37.19 | atk | so that would be whatever master is on on that branch |
| 18:37.20 | Joerg-Neo900 | ta atk |
| 18:37.32 | atk | s/branch/repo/ |
| 18:37.45 | Joerg-Neo900 | ~fped is git://projects.qi-hardware.com/fped.git |
| 18:37.45 | infobot | okay, Joerg-Neo900 |
| 18:38.55 | houkime | yep, AUR pack is using qi-hardware, all correct. |
| 18:39.44 | houkime | though they have graphical issues I would like to fix. And many other things I would like to fix. |
| 18:40.00 | Joerg-Neo900 | http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/fisl13.pdf |
| 18:42.34 | Joerg-Neo900 | ~fped is is also http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/fped/ DONT USE the obsolete premade DOWNLOADS |
| 18:42.34 | infobot | ...but fped is already something else... |
| 18:42.46 | Joerg-Neo900 | ~fped is also http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/fped/ DONT USE the obsolete premade DOWNLOADS |
| 18:42.46 | infobot | okay, Joerg-Neo900 |
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| 20:29.26 | houkime | almost synced. finally. No more stuff to be included. Checking and removing/replacing anything extra in pcb layout file. |
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| 20:34.58 | ravelo | Great |
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| 20:54.53 | houkime | now that I'm thinking on it, I woould like to reimplement fped using Godot game engine. |
| 20:55.46 | atk | that seems like... an interesting option |
| 20:56.23 | houkime | this will automatically solve lots of problems, ease development and give it a super-modern look. |
| 20:56.51 | houkime | godot editor itself was written as a godot game. |
| 20:57.06 | atk | "super-modern look" - please no |
| 20:57.40 | atk | In my experience "super-modern look" == "super useless software" |
| 20:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 20:58.08 | atk | has nightmares about this crap called slack and jira |
| 20:58.19 | houkime | I mean it can be visually like altium or sth. |
| 20:59.30 | houkime | or blender. |
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| 21:09.00 | atk | I do like how blender looks |
| 21:09.06 | atk | but thankfully it doesn't look like these modern webapps |
| 21:09.09 | atk | it looks unique |
| 21:09.24 | atk | I am not one of those weird people who wants their entire operating system to look identical |
| 21:17.34 | houkime | I need widgets to be dark or gray, otherwise eyes hurt much more even on low brightness, so I enforced dark gtk and qt themes across system. But that's it. |
| 21:18.30 | houkime | dark kicad looks kinda stylish. |
| 21:34.15 | houkime | biggest ergonomical problems with kicad is that you can't dock eeschema inside pcbnew and when there are some dialogs in any of 3 windows, all 3 become locked instead of 1. |
| 21:35.17 | houkime | for example i can't use eeschema with open read netlist dialog to assess state of symbols producing errors. etc. |
| 21:36.16 | houkime | omg my english. |
| 21:41.34 | crox | houkime, I don't think I have this issue (on Linux) |
| 21:43.50 | houkime | hmmm... interesting. Will check bug reports on this when i have time. |
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| 22:28.46 | houkime | wwan pads. They are not in sch and from phs tech docs it seems like phs doesn't need then to have it's hspa. |
| 22:31.23 | houkime | why could they be there... hmmm. rechecking. |
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| 22:37.27 | houkime | antenna connector is not yet placed, it is not even footprinted beyond 3 free pads. but wwan pads are. |
| 22:39.53 | houkime | ok seems like they should be the same thing |
| 22:41.06 | houkime | though not clear what are real requirements on placement. Did metacollin place them in their final externally fixed place or not. hm. |
| 22:53.24 | houkime | ok, he locked their position so it means that this is final. ok. |
| 22:54.08 | houkime | updating references on antenna connector pads so that they are addressed by sch correctly. |
| 22:57.57 | Joerg-Neo900 | antenna connectors are C-springs |
| 22:58.54 | Joerg-Neo900 | we have no particular type for those yet, afaik. Except the ones used in N900 |
| 22:59.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | thus we have no datasheet for them either |
| 22:59.36 | Joerg-Neo900 | feel free to find and suggest a spring component that matches |
| 23:00.16 | Joerg-Neo900 | (disclaimer: IIRC) |
| 23:00.52 | Joerg-Neo900 | it's starting to get a tad tough to keep *everytjing* in mind for such an extended period of inactive time |
| 23:01.27 | houkime | you source only cases+screens of N900 without other parts? |
| 23:01.52 | houkime | +keyboards |
| 23:02.22 | Joerg-Neo900 | no, the plan is to source a number of other stuff too, like camera, C-springs maybe, don't know what else |
| 23:02.58 | Joerg-Neo900 | and we actually source complete N900 |
| 23:03.09 | Joerg-Neo900 | you can't source displays |
| 23:03.32 | Juesto | hows that |
| 23:04.47 | houkime | then it is economical to use legacy c-springs unless they are proven by layout to be too big or have other problems. |
| 23:05.20 | houkime | however then there will probably be no datasheet which is sad. |
| 23:06.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | C-springs are such a silly simple component we didn't give much worries to them |
| 23:06.49 | Joerg-Neo900 | footprint is pretty much arbitrary rectangular pad, no matter which type of C-spring |
| 23:08.50 | Joerg-Neo900 | Juesto: I don't know how's that, I just know we found it a fact |
| 23:08.59 | Juesto | oh :/ |
| 23:09.06 | houkime | ok. |
| 23:12.53 | houkime | Is there info on their required placement spots? FM pad seems hanging over the edge not sure if this is nice. |
| 23:19.11 | Joerg-Neo900 | this is not intentional |
| 23:19.35 | Joerg-Neo900 | there are placement infos in werner's 2.5D-scans |
| 23:19.56 | houkime | ok |
| 23:20.56 | Joerg-Neo900 | also v1 been meant as mechanical proof and placement of C-sprinfs been one aspect iirc. So for all placement V1 is authoritative |
| 23:21.41 | houkime | ok |
| 23:23.18 | Joerg-Neo900 | http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/springs/ http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/stacking/ |
| 23:23.43 | Joerg-Neo900 | http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/scans/ |
| 23:27.02 | Joerg-Neo900 | >>Springs are indicated by rounded rectangles or circles, the location where they touch (e.g., pad, shield, or similar) by a regular rectangle. << |
| 23:27.26 | Joerg-Neo900 | >>Red indicates antenna connections.<< |
| 23:30.36 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://neo900.org/stuff/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_02.jpeg |
| 23:34.06 | Joerg-Neo900 | houkime: http://neo900.org/resources is _always_ worth an hour of just skimming through the provided stuff |
| 23:34.30 | Joerg-Neo900 | basically _this_ is our main page |
| 23:35.35 | houkime | ok |
| 23:36.31 | Joerg-Neo900 | houkime: then, when you found this teasing, you may go on skimming through more unsorted random stuff at http://neo900.org/stuff/ |
| 23:36.58 | *** join/#neo900 unclouded (~quassel@121-72-242-153.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 23:50.11 | houkime | you want do a depressed sim bed, right? |
| 23:50.19 | houkime | *won't |
| 23:52.10 | houkime | like a bed that is pushed into a pcb doing a pond/depression. |
| 23:53.06 | houkime | *making |
| 23:55.51 | houkime | checked datasheet. no. ok |
| 23:57.03 | houkime | so it means that legacy board is kind of thick. |
| 23:58.35 | houkime | and ours are 8 mm bith. |
| 23:58.43 | houkime | *both |
| 23:59.59 | houkime | *0.8 |
