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| 00:34.50 | houkime | offtopic - omg, have just read about Kerbal Space Program controversy with new owners TakeTwo spying on users via game and having a bs eula... And there're people who say we don't really need opensource gaming... Turns out we need. |
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| 00:54.22 | houkime | TakeTwo even went as far as to claim their ownership on the modder content in what looks like an attempt to prevent a new foss spacegame hatching from open modded assets and scripts. |
| 01:19.41 | Oksana | That's like... Don't publish your photographs/anything on Internet unless you have read EULA/Terms&Conditions, and have seen that you are the owner of your content. |
| 01:19.51 | Oksana | In short, common sense. |
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| 01:24.06 | houkime | I believe some of modded stuff is even on github under gpl3 or similar but still this corp is claiming sth. I guess what's on github is relatively safe as TakeTwo should not win a lawsuit under any sane jurisdiction. |
| 01:24.40 | houkime | Like it is if I proclaim myself an owner of Linux. |
| 01:25.20 | houkime | *an exclusive rights owner. |
| 01:25.52 | houkime | and try to make any copy illegal without my blessing |
| 01:27.38 | houkime | the thing is they proclaim their ownership AFTER the mods are made. |
| 01:28.26 | houkime | because they weren't a game owners when modders were starting up. They are the new ones. |
| 01:33.15 | houkime | so technically KSP community still can start their own game with modded assets that were properly licensed and that they already have. Not sure they would do that though. |
| 01:34.40 | houkime | It was a thing with Portal2 though when modmakers branched off and made their own gamestudio (partly reusing modded assets) so it is not impossible. |
| 01:38.00 | Oksana | is not interested in computer games - waste of time, and increase obesity due to the encouraged sedentary life-style. But that's my personal opinion, and I tend to be very opinionated at times. |
| 01:40.40 | houkime | I personally think that games and fiction is just another form of planning and presenting/simulating concepts. |
| 01:41.36 | Oksana | Possibly. I am well familiar with concept of spending lots of time on fiction - reading is one of my favourite pastimes. |
| 01:42.50 | Oksana | looks at http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html and wonders where FM TX/RX is connected to 3.5mm - FM receiver uses 3.5mm headset as antenna, doesn't it? |
| 01:44.42 | Oksana | Ah, here. FM_ANT |
| 01:45.10 | houkime | emm... Why should it use a headset as antenna? There is just an antenna for that. |
| 01:45.32 | houkime | it has a place on the pcb and I actually showed it in my video |
| 01:45.38 | Oksana | FM transmitter has internal antenna. FM receiver always uses headphone as antenna for reception. |
| 01:46.35 | Oksana | Transmitting FM for a short distance is doable with tiny internal antenna. Receiving FM from a far away station is better done with long whip-like antenna - aka, headphone. |
| 01:47.09 | houkime | hmmm. This makes sense |
| 01:47.27 | Oksana | Transmitting FM via an external antenna would have broken the regulations, probably, due to jamming the radio waves. Hence, transmitting via internal antenna only. |
| 01:48.25 | Oksana | Question: Can Neo900 play radio when OS/CPU is shut down? Because http://www.ti.com/product/tlv320aic34 has the functionality for it. |
| 01:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, makes sense and Oksana has it 10% correct |
| 01:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100 even |
| 01:49.30 | Oksana | One of obvious use-cases would be to have radio-alarm (and yes, alarm can already ring when OS/CPU is shut down; but it rings currently from an audio file) |
| 01:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: I tried to implement it this way (play radio without CPU support) but I forgot if I achieved it |
| 01:50.08 | Oksana | points to https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Audio_Codec |
| 01:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly I did |
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| 01:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait wait. what? Radio Alarm? |
| 01:51.50 | Oksana | Yes. Like, ordinary clock+alarm devices have radio-alarm functionality built-in, most of the time. But they all need 240V power supply. |
| 01:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc we have the FM radio in/out simply in parallel to line-in/out |
| 01:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if that's true, you could even hook your home stereo to 3.5mm line-out and play FM radio with CPU powered down ;-D |
| 01:52.58 | Oksana | Since alarm can wake up N900/Neo900 even when OS/CPU is shut down, and radio can be played even when OS/CPU is shut down, it means that it is possible for wake-up alarm to play radio instead of audio file. |
| 01:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | which alarm could "wake up N900/Neo900 even when OS/CPU is shut down" (and stays shut down, and how)? |
| 01:54.37 | Oksana | Not sure about "stays shut down", because alarm usually asks user "Switch on the device? Yes/No" |
| 01:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | any RTC alarm would simply power up or nonmaskable-IRQ the CPU |
| 01:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, CPU then notices it been woke up by RTC alarm and pops up such a requester if needed |
| 01:56.05 | Oksana | Hmm, so CPU has already woken up due to alarm, partially. Just hasn't loaded the whole OS/desktop, yet? |
| 01:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the question is misleading, should be "keep the device powered up, or go to power-down state again?" |
| 01:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, afk again |
| 01:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm busted |
| 01:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | wasted? |
| 01:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | zombie |
| 01:58.05 | Oksana | Rest well :-) |
| 01:59.10 | houkime | wpwrak says that he doesn't have enough time so I'm currently trying to make eeshow to work with both kicad5 and kicad4 |
| 01:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | re FM ant: I changed that a bit, so both FM RX and TX whould work via internal and headset whip antenna, though to a massively different degree of functionality |
| 02:00.39 | Oksana | Huh, fascinating... |
| 02:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus internal had 3rd function for WWAN MIMO |
| 02:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in 3G |
| 02:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4G? |
| 02:03.08 | Oksana | Currently reading http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Chipset , I guess USB PHY is used in Neo900 (unlike N900), because TWL5030B is connected to USB#0 (and modem to USB#1 and hackerbus to USB#2)? |
| 02:04.37 | Oksana | >> MIMO has become an essential element of wireless communication standards including IEEE 802.11n (Wi-Fi), IEEE 802.11ac (Wi-Fi), HSPA+ (3G), WiMAX (4G), and Long Term Evolution (LTE 4G). << |
| 02:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | houkime: great |
| 02:07.29 | houkime | the changes are in sch files and .pro and they are related to symbol lookup in libraries. |
| 02:08.01 | houkime | so basically there needs to be 2 lookup modes now separate for kicad4 an kicad5 |
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| 02:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, AND the tricky story starts with version control system aka git, and the correlating between lib component version and project file schematics version |
| 02:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW when you open a schematics from Dec 2017, you want the symbols from Dec 2017 which originally been used when the schematics got drawn |
| 03:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kicad has a few concepts in this regard that are invented by a troll with a gas brain. |
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