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00:03.10trekekergoth: I'm amazed
00:03.17trekesomeone finally ran into softfloat abi problems
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00:07.58ag0nykergoth: oh ok. sorry
00:08.40kergothag0ny: as the topic of this channel states, this is for oe, and is not a distribution support channel.  #openzaurus would be more appropriate
00:08.54ag0nysure
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00:09.22trekekergoth: apparently what happens when mixing soft-float and float emulation is that floating point math just does random shit
00:09.35trekeinstead of failing to run
00:10.16kergothfun
00:10.28keenanbecause of wrong endianness or what?
00:15.11kergothendianness doesnt have anything to do with this
00:15.12kergothheh
00:16.32keenanuh-oh
00:16.36keenanjust had a kernel oops
00:16.46keenanon openzaurus gpe
01:02.48kergothouch
01:06.08chouimatkergoth bad
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01:15.38CIA-603mickeyl 07 * r1.2384 10packages/opie-dagger/ (opie-dagger_1.1.6.oe opie-dagger_cvs.oe): fix opie-dagger
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02:06.44emteNOTE: package picogui-tools: build completed
02:06.44emteNOTE: build 200410021909 completed
02:06.44emteBuild statistics:
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02:06.47emtewoo woo
02:07.09emtei think i'll go watch shaun of the dead with my gf to celebrate
02:21.42CIA-603mickeyl 07 * r1.2387 10packages/ubahnnav/ (ubahnnav_0.3.1.oe ubahnnav/qmake.patch): (really) fix ubahnnav
02:21.42CIA-603mickeyl 07 * r1.2386 10packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): next attempt to fix PyQt which was broken since sip4
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02:53.00kergothheh
02:53.04enginuitorwhoops
02:53.15enginuitorwow, that went rather wrong
02:53.48kergothheh
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03:17.06ljptoo nice outside to be insode
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03:25.59mithroanyone here know much about softfloat?
03:26.27kergothpb_ does, i'm sure
03:26.43mithroibot seen pb_
03:26.43ibotpb_ <~pb@cpc2-cmbg6-5-0-cust48.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 8h 21m 12s ago, saying: 'Makefile is generated from Makefile.in by configure, and Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.am by automake (as kergoth said).'.
03:26.44mithroibot seen pb
03:26.45ibotpb <~pb@dsl-082-082-128-195.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 222d 5h 47m 36s ago, saying: 'streuner__can you help me with my printer?'.
03:27.00mithrokergoth: so what have you been up to?
03:27.14kergothbeen on unpaid medical leave from work for depression
03:27.19kergothso have been really bored quite a bit
03:27.35kergothvisited family in minnesota for a while
03:27.36kergothheh
03:31.04mithroboth unpaid medical leave and depression both kinda suck :/
03:32.36kergothyep, and sitting at home not working doesnt exactly help the latter
03:32.37kergothheh
03:32.39kergothah well
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03:36.06mithrowb kergoth_
03:36.53kergoththanks, fixing up my irc proxy
03:38.22mithrowork on mplayer/vlc in OE, work on thousand parsec, do uni work or play computer games
03:38.34kergoth~unproductivity
03:38.35ibotyay!
03:40.36mithroljp: you enjoying australia?
04:07.34treke|laptopworking saturdays sucks
04:07.42treke|laptopit killed my will to do anything useful
04:07.46kergothgoddamnit debian
04:07.53kergothThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
04:07.53kergoth<PROTECTED>
04:07.53kergothE: Broken packages
04:07.55kergothheh
04:08.36treke|laptopphone company should be done testing in an hour
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04:13.24treke|laptopwonder where my zaurus is now
04:18.33mithrohey treke
04:18.39treke|laptophey
04:21.54ljpmithro: this summer is going to be great with a pool in my backyard :)
04:22.11treke|laptopljp: you suck
04:22.28mithroljp: do you like heat?
04:22.35kergothi agree
04:22.37kergothljp: you suck
04:26.55mithroyou can all laugh at him when he is complaining it's 40C outside with 70%->100% Humidity :)
04:27.41treke|laptophehe
04:27.57mithroand when the power goes out because of everyone running their airconditioners you can laugh more ;)
04:30.24ljpya, I will be laughing from the table thats in the shallow end of the salt water pool
04:30.44treke|laptopsilly aussies
04:30.53treke|laptopyou and your poisoness insects
04:30.54treke|laptopand sheep
04:31.19Pendalarwhat's the point of a pool when you are in a small country surrounded by water?
04:31.29ljpsmall.. heh
04:31.41Pendalarwell =-/ all things considered, yeah
04:31.47treke|laptopPendalar: all of the natural bodies of water are filled with things to kill you
04:31.48Pendalarit's not an attack on your manhood or anything
04:32.02Pendalartreke|laptop: so? it's just aussies ^_^
04:32.03ljpaustralia is about the same size as the US
04:32.05Pendalarj/k
04:32.09treke|laptopPendalar: good point
04:32.10ljpnot counting alaska
04:32.23treke|laptopPendalar: They got the criminals, we got the conservative christians.
04:32.26Pendalarlooks much smaller on maps =-p
04:32.38treke|laptopljp: including alaska? :p
04:32.45Pendalaryeah, save the baptists *rolls eyes*
04:33.33Pendalarbut then too most of the "white" migration to the US initially were criminals as well
04:33.41Pendalarespecially Georgia, which explains much
04:34.13treke|laptopI want to go to australia one day. maybe meet some of the family who moved out there
04:34.16treke|laptopif they are still alive
04:34.34ljpprobably got eatten by dropbears
04:35.04Pendalarheh, yeah it must be horrid with all the jackalopes and weird TV show personalities
04:35.24treke|laptopljp: most of them are probably dead from old age :p
04:35.49ljpits sad. these people get their knowledge of US culture from jerry springer
04:35.55kergothhah
04:35.57kergoththats not good
04:36.09Pendalarno, the Animal Channel..
04:36.21Luke-Jr...
04:36.40Pendalar;-) or just generally like making fun of Aussies and the French
04:36.45Luke-Jryay for off topic =p
04:36.45treke|laptopUS culture?
04:37.01treke|laptopwhen did we get any?
04:37.18kergothwe're off topic as often or more often as not
04:37.18PendalarI think it's inbred
04:37.30Luke-Jr=p
04:37.50treke|laptopoff topic here differs from most channel
04:38.06kergothi dont mind random discussion, i only mind off topic stuff for which there really is another place it should be
04:38.07Pendalarofftopic is sadly more productive most days as well
04:38.14treke|laptopwe don't have a fixed set of topics that are on topic, with everything else being off topic
04:38.15kergothlike opie, zaurus, whatever
04:38.24treke|laptopwe have a fixed set of off topic subjects :p
04:38.30kergothyeah
04:38.53Pendalarwe also have some things we just simply would like to not talk about, ie bodily functions and strange rashes
04:39.05Pendalarbut if we're bored enough.. maybe
04:39.08treke|laptopI have this weird mole on my right ball
04:39.36Pendalarit's the center one I'd worry about
04:39.36Luke-Jrwould talking about my wifi card and how it crashes an OE-based OZ be on-topic, then? =p
04:39.44treke|laptopno
04:39.57Pendalarit'd be offtopic the offtopic.. which might cause people to freak out
04:40.14treke|laptopunless it also include a discussion on your part on how to fix the .oe so that it no longer happens
04:40.48Pendalaror how you'd love to donate money to the devs so that they could set up time for your specific issue
04:40.49Pendalar;-)
04:40.50kergothLuke-Jr: that would be an oz support question, and therefore would belong in #openzaurus
04:41.14treke|laptopspeaking of donations
04:41.19treke|laptopkergoth: did your 6000 arrive?
04:41.44Luke-Jrkergoth: yea, but talking there is even less common
04:41.53treke|laptopouch
04:41.58treke|laptopbad move #1
04:42.03kergothi've said it before, i'll say it again
04:42.12Luke-Jrtreke: and I doubt it's a .oe bug
04:42.13kergoththe appropriate channel being idle does NOT make it on topic here.
04:43.05treke|laptopdarn my zaurus isn't in the usps tracking system yet
04:43.06Luke-Jrthat's why I asked if phrasing it to sound OE-related would make it on-topic
04:43.07treke|laptopvery odd
04:43.20Luke-Jrif #openzaurus being idle was enough, I wouldn't have tried to find another way to topicize it
04:43.22treke|laptopno that just gets you yelled at louder
04:43.27kergothexactly
04:44.18joshua_hmmm
04:44.18treke|laptopYou'd think the package would be trackable since it was issued at the counter at the post office
04:44.24joshua_anyone know if pb_'s had success with oe'ing his epia?
04:44.47treke|laptopwhat is an epia again?
04:44.52joshua_mini-itx.. teeny mainboard
04:44.55treke|laptopah
04:45.15Luke-JrBTW, a problem I encountered attempting to oe-ise TiMidity++... it builds a binary and attempts to execute it during make :/
04:45.15radiojoeyou know what I think is funny is when the conversation goes anywhere from australia being small to american migration no one cares
04:45.22radiojoebut bring up OZ and you will die
04:45.27joshua_radiojoe: hush
04:45.43joshua_Luke-Jr: ah.
04:45.49joshua_does it use the binary as a conftest or to generate stuff?
04:45.54treke|laptopradiojoe: it's simple
04:45.56Pendalareven techs get PDA topic burnout
04:45.59Luke-Jrto generate stuff, I think
04:46.07treke|laptopradiojoe: the topic doesn't say you shouldnt ask about australia
04:46.22treke|laptopradiojoe: but it does say you should ask distribution support questions
04:46.31joshua_shouldn't
04:46.44PendalarI just ask about aussie to see if they will eventually stop playing with big lizards and what not
04:50.35ljpI'll make it on topic. embedded devices work better in the southern hemispehere
04:50.56Luke-Jrljp: in the summer or the winter?
04:51.03PendalarI'm busy finishing my box monitering script
04:51.11Pendalarcan't get the SMS part to play nice
04:51.18treke|laptopmore people need to use the buy it now feature
04:51.22Pendalaror the admin's cell phone is gay.. *Shrug*
04:51.29treke|laptopI hate having to wait for a few days to see if I win
04:51.54Pendalarheh I bought a cisco IP phone off ebay and the freak didn't include an AC adapter
04:52.01Pendalarso it's been gathering dust for 6 months
04:52.02treke|laptopnot his fault
04:52.05treke|laptopthey don't come with them
04:52.12Pendalarhis "ad" said it did
04:52.16treke|laptopoh
04:52.23treke|laptopwell the phones don't when you buy them new :p
04:52.37Pendalarbastard =-/ so now I'm looking at buying an AC adapter that costs the same or more than the phone itself
04:52.41Luke-Jrmaybe someone should make a wireless charger (j/k)
04:52.42treke|laptopnah
04:52.47treke|laptopPendalar: it's about 40 bucks
04:52.55Pendalaryeah, I paid $20 for the phone
04:52.59treke|laptopoh :p
04:53.05treke|laptopmine was new and a bit more expensive :p
04:53.18Pendalarexactly.. I *hate* the idea of paying more for the AC adapter than the rest of the unit
04:53.38treke|laptopI still haven't made it do anything
04:53.44treke|laptopso it sits on my desk unsued
04:54.01treke|laptopalong with another unused phone
04:54.24PendalarI've got that spinny script or whatever to talk with some of my friends in europe whenever I break down and buy one
04:54.45treke|laptopone of these days I'll get around to converting it to sip
04:55.03treke|laptopjust requires spending a day fucking with tftp and getting a copy of the software
04:55.15PendalarI'm not quite that bored, and it's older
04:55.29PendalarCisco 12 SP+ something
04:55.38treke|laptopthis is one of the 7600s
04:56.03treke|laptoper 7900
04:56.08Pendalardo those still use the spinny script or something else?
04:56.21treke|laptopnot sure what it is
04:56.34treke|laptopI'm guessing it's related to the "skinny" protocol that cisco uses by default
04:56.51Pendalarskinny.. whichever ;-) it's been 6 months
04:56.53emtetransformers arnt cheap ...  i dont thin any type of power supply/adapter has dropped in price in the last 5 years
04:57.05emtethink*
04:57.08treke|laptopPendalar: by default it does
04:57.15treke|laptopPendalar: I can reflash it with SIP firmware
04:57.23treke|laptopPendalar: Which i do plan to do eventually
04:57.28Pendalaremte: no but you get me on how sad it is to pay more for an adapter than the unit
04:57.38PendalarI doubt mine has such neat firmware stuffs
04:57.40ljpi think gcc works better in the winter, but ld works better in the summer
04:58.11emteyeah i am aware
04:58.12Pendalarprinters suck, I use colored pencils
04:58.26treke|laptopnext week I have the fun of trying to submit reimbursment requests for all of my ebay purchases :p
04:58.29emteit only costs ~ $5-$20 to make a cellphone
04:58.41emtehardware wise
04:58.46Pendalarheh make a cellphone.. that would be something fun to do
04:59.04emteyes/no
04:59.14Pendalarthen make a sat. and launch it into space ala Jimmy Neutron movie
04:59.18emteits expensive to get them certified
04:59.24Pendalarcall myself Bond Jr and be a badass
04:59.39Pendalarer.. what were you saying? ;-)
05:00.11emtethe broadcast frequency and radiation restrictions are pretty extreme
05:00.59emteout of all communications its the area with tightest regulations
05:01.28Pendalaropensource frequencies, penguins rule the air waves
05:01.41emtethe military would have quite a bit to say about that
05:01.57Pendalarbut but.. we're white had
05:01.58Pendalarhat
05:02.15emteso are they ... even when they shoot you
05:02.24Pendalarwe would use it to benefit mankind and other such warm fluffy feelings
05:02.34Pendalarnever to use pirate windows copies though
05:02.37Pendalarnooo
05:02.54emtepatch test time
05:02.56Pendalaryou know.. enough slashdot can warp a fellow
05:03.10kergothheh
05:03.24Pendalarhow do you live?
05:03.31emteslashdot is pretty much useless
05:03.39kergothi live pretty well, with less trolls
05:03.47Pendalarit's mindnumbing goodness
05:03.54emteeven more so then some of my jumbled up thoughts
05:04.05PendalarI want a volatile hyperlinkage Tshirt
05:04.08treke|laptopkergoth: isn't that about the amount of time you've been depressed and unmotivated?
05:04.12kergothhah
05:04.15treke|laptopkergoth: Perhaps not as well as you think
05:04.20kergothno, i've been depressed alot longer than that
05:04.58Pendalarlack of scotch will do that to you
05:05.02emtewonder who i can recruit as guinea pigs ...
05:05.09treke|laptopindeed
05:05.21kergothheh
05:05.28PendalarI've got to guinea pigs, named bob and wendy.. however wendy is a guy, and bob doesn't mind
05:05.28kergothmy welbutrin says to keep the alcohol consumption down
05:05.34Pendalartwo rather *sigh*
05:05.35treke|laptopkergoth: down?
05:05.36kergoththere's a risk of seizures when you come down from teh alcohol
05:05.43treke|laptopkergoth: so a bottle a night?
05:05.58emtePendalar: you have gay guinea pigs?
05:06.23Pendalarjust one, in theory
05:06.41emtein practice wouldnt it be two?
05:06.44Pendalaror it's just trying to be the alpha pig.. something
05:06.51Pendalarno "wendy" doesn't have much say in it
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05:08.19joshua_hrm.. wellbutrin always really screwed with me. made me *very* volatile and *very* sleepy. zoloft on the other hand works wonders
05:08.24treke|laptopThat is getting awfully close to too much information
05:08.44Pendalarto which conversation? they both have issues
05:09.06treke|laptopthe gay guinea pigs
05:09.12kergothinteresting.  welbutrin works really well for me.  i stopped sleeping too much, lethargy is gone, and feel balanced
05:09.27kergothbeen waking up on my own, without an alarm, with 7-8 hours of sleep
05:09.32kergothwhich is just cool
05:09.33kergothheh
05:09.55treke|laptopI wake up without an alarm with 7-8 hours of sleep
05:09.59joshua_really... I prefer ot get lots of sleep, although that could be related to my age as opposed to my mental status.
05:10.06treke|laptopthe only problem is, that's usually 9am
05:10.13kergothjoshua_: yeah, could be
05:10.43joshua_you know, I guess if I got 7-8 hours of sleep regularly, that might make a difference. but right now it's been something like three, four, three, four, five, 15, 15, repeat
05:10.46treke|laptopthe best part of sleep is falling to sleep
05:10.48PendalarI sleep like 10-11 hours, and still am tired.. despite working out, eating right, vitamins, etc
05:11.03treke|laptoptoo bad I don't get to do that as much any more
05:11.10kergothPendalar: well, you *can* get too much sleep, too
05:11.16kergothif i get more than 8 hours, i'm as tired as if i got 4
05:11.24joshua_heh.
05:11.25Pendalarhaven't figured it out, but it sucks because I can work an 8 hour day and have no time for anything else but sleep
05:11.35Pendalarwhen I should have 8 hours somewhere =-/
05:12.04Pendalarthat's probably it, but mentally reasoning "hmm I'm still sleepy, maybe I should sleep less" doesn't pan out
05:13.23PendalarError in Execute : Substitution name not found in params : RTFormAction-2 (error in the script ? Contact the author of the script)
05:13.28Pendalarquah...?
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05:20.09emteone last mod and it should be good
05:20.34emtethen i'll have to try and build an image with it
05:21.40Pendalaremte: everytime you start mod'ing code, servers split
05:21.42Pendalarplease quit
05:21.49emtelol
05:22.03emtei havent done work with an ircd for well over a year
05:22.05Pendalardunno how you manage to f'k up other networks but I guess you are just that good =-s
05:22.41emtehmm :(
05:22.50emtetar: Skipping to next header
05:22.51emtetar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
05:22.51emtebzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
05:22.59emtethats a nice one
05:23.24emtelets try again ...
05:24.08PendalarI make it a game some days to see as many different errors as possible
05:24.19Pendalarbecause in the end, you don't get neat messages when you get it right
05:24.53emtelol
05:25.08kergothand damnit, getting neat messages is whats important
05:25.30emtelol
05:25.40Pendalarexactly
05:25.48emteinst it e16 taht checks your fridge for ales?
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05:32.26df00zhey.  Can QPE-gaim be added to oe?
05:32.43emteif you add it
05:32.49treke|homeno
05:32.51treke|homeit can't
05:33.17df00zIt doesnt look to be open source actually hm
05:33.31emtewhy dont you work on porting opengaim?
05:34.24df00zhrm.
05:34.25kergothwhy would you care about opengaim?
05:34.34treke|homeseems like time would be better spent working on qpe-gaim
05:34.54df00zI thought QPE-gaim cant be added?
05:35.01treke|homeit can't at the moment
05:35.10df00zHow come?
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05:35.14kergothjust need to wait for the libgaim work to be redone agains gaim 1.0
05:35.15df00zJust because the source isnt there?
05:35.19treke|homebecause there isn't enough source to add
05:35.34treke|homeif you spent the time adapting it to work with the current gaim tree you could add it.
05:36.24df00zHm.
05:36.49kergothdf00z: using the old gaim tree wouldnt be viable. half the protocols wouldnt even work now
05:36.52kergothheh
05:37.02treke|homehehe
05:37.18df00zodd..i can install QPE-gaim
05:37.23df00zand aim/icq work
05:37.25df00zand irc
05:37.30df00zi dont think yahoo or msn does
05:37.44kergothsounds about right
05:37.44treke|homethat's because neither oscar or irc have changed much
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05:38.14df00zHmm, well they keep taling about a core/ui split, is that done?
05:38.23treke|homedoubtful
05:38.27df00zAh.
05:38.37kergothwas done, but dont believe it ever went into cvs
05:38.42kergothso has to be done again
05:38.45kergoth(afaik)
05:38.51treke|homeit's the type of thing that will probably never be done
05:39.00emteisnt that what opengaim is for?
05:39.06treke|homemight get real close, but probably not done
05:39.22df00zHm
05:39.24kergothafaik opengaim is a worthless fork.
05:39.26df00ztheres no GTK2 for Opie
05:39.29df00zis there?
05:39.37treke|homeI think opengaim's purpose is "the maintainers don't like our patches so we will fork"
05:39.45emtethought it was just a core library project
05:39.47emteah
05:39.50emtethat could be
05:39.56kergothyep, thats the impression i got
05:40.03treke|homewhich is why their last release was 6 months ago
05:40.29df00zhah, what about kopete
05:40.42kergothheh
05:40.42treke|homeabout the same time as their last cvs commit
05:40.48kergothcentericq!  bitlbee!
05:40.50treke|homedf00z: feel free to port kopete
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05:41.14treke|homeprobably on to a loser, but you can try
05:41.15emtecentericq is your friend
05:41.17kergothbitlbee is damn cool
05:41.28kergothbeing able to /msg someone on aim is just nifty
05:41.34emtelol
05:41.45kergothwhats really annoying though
05:41.53kergothis when you're connected to it with a text irssi
05:42.00kergothto something like aim, and they've got custom colors and shit
05:42.06kergothso now you've got html code
05:42.12joshua_heh
05:42.16joshua_I do like naim.
05:42.38df00zWhat the heck
05:42.48df00zBitlBee
05:42.54joshua_different windows, and the works, but still seems very.. IRC-ish.
05:43.35df00zWhat the heck is BitlBee
05:43.36treke|homekergoth: bltbee and a decent irc client would be great on a pda
05:43.40df00zim at its site
05:43.53kergothdf00z: bitlbee is an irc to aim/yahoo/etc gateway
05:44.03kergothits an irc server.  connect to it with xchat or irssi or whatever
05:44.12treke|homekergoth: client -> dircproxy -> bltbee
05:44.13df00zSo I can run that on the PDA/Desktop/whatever
05:44.17df00zand then use an IRC client on my pda
05:44.19kergothyep
05:44.22kergothtreke|home: yeah
05:44.23df00zand talk to people on my aim list
05:44.28joshua_hmm.
05:44.32joshua_I still like naim. :)
05:44.57df00zSo wait now, how does it do buddy lists
05:44.58df00zfor like aim
05:45.04treke|homejoshua_: the problem is, with the limited screen space on a pda, it makes sense to unify all of your messaging into one place
05:45.05kergoththere's a fake user on the server
05:45.06joshua_the control channel apparently
05:45.06df00zdo you have to give it your AIM sn/password?
05:45.09kergothin #bitlbee
05:45.16joshua_treke|home: you can do the same on a pda.
05:45.21kergothyou give it your info, yep
05:45.23joshua_treke|home: err, with naim
05:45.36treke|homejoshua_: naim can do irc/msn/whatever?
05:45.44joshua_treke|home: IRC yes
05:45.50treke|homewhen I used it, it was just straight oscar
05:45.53joshua_MSN PTA (Patches Thoughtfully Accepted)
05:45.57joshua_not oscar. toc
05:45.59kergothheh
05:46.04kergothcentericq is quite nice
05:46.11treke|hometoc?
05:46.13kergothodd interface, but once you get used to it, works great
05:46.18treke|homedidnt they take down the toc servers?
05:46.20emtehmm ... where is my patcher doc on the wiki
05:46.58joshua_TOC is alive and well
05:47.10treke|homeit was never well :)
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05:47.15kergothhehe
05:47.40kergothi dont like the irc support in any of the messaging apps
05:47.42kergothnot even gaim
05:47.48kergothwould rather put those in my irc client than vice versa :)
05:47.51joshua_heh.
05:47.56joshua_try naim. I think you'll like it.
05:47.59emtecenter does an okay job
05:47.59treke|homekopete isn't half bad
05:48.29kergothi've used naim, but i preferred centericq for the messaging stuff and irssi for irc
05:48.31df00zHmm. I have to try this bitlbee thing
05:49.30emtedamnit ... copy the stupid patch
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05:49.54emtelol
05:50.04joshua_yeah. I tend to use nirc to consolidate my 'low traffic' networks, and bx for the big 2 (efnet+freenode). I don't like irssi's multi-window behavior.
05:50.04treke|homebeen a couple months
05:50.13emtegive it big strings to say why it fails
05:50.17kergothjoshua_: you can disable it :)
05:50.23joshua_I tried it.
05:50.37treke|homehehe still full of spam
05:50.43joshua_I couldn't figure out how to convince it to change to a channel that wasn't my current active channel.
05:50.47Pendalarbah I can't get sms sending working to sprintpcs from my linux box =-/
05:51.20emtepatcher
05:51.23emteblah
05:52.27joshua_heh.
05:52.43joshua_just dug up this: http://joshuawise.com/~joshua/yayipaqboot.jpg
05:52.58joshua_also http://joshuawise.com/~joshua/ipaqscandisk.jpg
05:53.03treke|homehow stuff on the 2200 front?
05:53.12joshua_hmmm
05:53.16treke|homehavent really been following it
05:53.23treke|homebut I've been using my 2200 again
05:53.27joshua_treke|home: not certain why I can't receive data over serial using my debug stub
05:53.28Soopamanheheh
05:53.34Soopamanpretty cool joshua_
05:57.22df00zHAHAHA
05:57.25df00zbitlbee is awesome
05:57.28kergoth:)
05:57.44df00zHmm
05:57.47kergothneed to do something about the html, patch it to strip out tags or something
05:57.52df00zcan you message someone not on your buddylist?
05:58.05kergothdont recall
05:58.10mithroWindows 98?
05:58.34kergothjoshua_: what was that, bochs?
05:58.36df00zHmm
05:58.38joshua_yeah.
05:58.39df00zbitlbee isnt in oe
05:58.42df00zIT MUST BE
05:58.46kergothdf00z: patches welcome
05:58.48emtedamnit ... i dont want to have to make the patch again
05:58.58joshua_it never booted, iirc. nor did it ever complete the scandisk
05:58.59df00zkergoth: it should just work, it doesnt use anything funky
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05:59.03kergothdf00z: add dircproxy and/or ctrlproxy while you're at it
05:59.05kergothdf00z: yeah
05:59.18df00zok cool, writing an oe for it
05:59.23df00zi have a template now ;)
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06:00.31emtels .patches
06:01.41emteERROR: strange, with --dry-run the patch worked, but without it does not work ...
06:01.58emteguess i am rebuilding it
06:01.59treke|homestane
06:02.02treke|homestrange
06:03.18treke|homeimdb needs to be extended so that you can search for actors by description
06:03.27treke|home"the black guy with a beard in movie X
06:03.31kergothhehe
06:12.27mithrojoshua_: Boch?
06:13.07emtecmon baby its time for sweet love
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06:14.02treke|homekergoth_: how much do you want to bet sharp shipped the pxa255 based poodle witht he pxa250 work around enabled? :p
06:14.03joshua_bochs
06:14.03emtewoo woo .. i hope
06:14.04joshua_yeah
06:14.11joshua_ah, his real IP shows.
06:14.18df00zah
06:14.21df00ztreke, im sure they did
06:14.26df00zthe sharp rom is slow as hell
06:14.41emtehmm
06:14.59treke|homekergoth_: I still love how they changed the paint job on the c760 and that rated a new model name, but they swapped the cpu in the 5600 and that didnt :p
06:15.05kergoth__hehe
06:15.07kergoth__sad
06:16.10mithrodifferent divisions of sharp?
06:16.10emtethat was due to intel no?
06:16.25mithroyeah intel stop producing the pxa250's
06:16.33mithroso sharp couldn't keep shipping em
06:17.22emteseems the pxa series are supposed to be "sort of" a dropin replacement with "minor" reconfiguration
06:17.53treke|homei know why sharp switched to the pxa255
06:18.07emteatleast that is what they were saying when i was looking at the sa1110 and 1111 datasheets
06:18.08treke|homeI just find it humorous that they kept the same machine name as the pxa250 release
06:18.27df00zEr, if im inheriting autotools
06:18.33df00zshould it automatically do the configure script
06:18.37kergoth__yep
06:19.04treke|homeemte: since this is the same company that thought *repainting the device* qualified for a new machine name :p
06:19.44df00zit immediatly did make, and then did
06:19.46df00z| bitlbee.c: In function `bitlbee_daemon_init':
06:19.46df00z| bitlbee.c:82: internal compiler error: in arm_print_operand, at config/arm/arm.c:9869
06:19.50emtetreke|home: something like that would mean they had a change in marketing/advertising head
06:20.18treke|homeemte: That would explain changing the model from c760 to c860 to me
06:20.32treke|homebut not the machine name used in the kernel
06:21.12treke|homeemte: there is an actual kernel config option that sets the machine name to boxer, which does nothing more to the kernel than name the device boxer
06:21.43df00zI dont have to have a do_configure routine, do it?
06:21.52emtethe chips could be so close that it doesnt make a dif ... i'd have to look at the datasheets for both
06:22.26treke|homemy problem isn't lack of documentation
06:22.30treke|homeit's too much documentation
06:22.45emterelevent doc at that
06:22.48df00zRTFM am i rite
06:23.00treke|homeI have a gig of crap to read, but no clue where to start reading
06:23.16emteanyway i am falling off my chair
06:23.24emtenight
06:24.21mithrotreke: why?
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06:25.12treke|homemithro: because I don't know where to start :)
06:25.42treke|homemithro: I literaly have a gigabyte of pdfs providing documentation
06:25.48df00zoh wait
06:25.49df00zthis isnt good
06:25.54df00zits doing the configure stuff..but
06:26.14df00zbitlbee.c: In function `bitlbee_daemon_init':
06:26.14df00zbitlbee.c:82: internal compiler error: in arm_print_operand, at config/arm/arm.c:9869
06:26.20df00zPlease submit a full bug report,
06:26.20df00zwith preprocessed source if appropriate.
06:26.27kergothheh
06:26.32kergothcompiler bug, fun
06:27.32df00zis it really?
06:28.05treke|homenot it's not really that fun
06:28.17df00zNo, i mean a compiler bug
06:28.19df00zarnt those kind of rare
06:28.34treke|homeyour compiler seems to thing it is
06:28.40kergothits telling you to submit a full bug report with preprocessed source
06:28.44kergothit isnt pulling your leg
06:28.51df00zWell, should I do so?
06:29.08treke|homedepends on whether you want the bug fixed or not
06:29.24df00zWell, yes I do, but doesnt that mean you guys will have to put the next version of the compiler into oe?
06:29.28joshua_hmmm
06:29.35treke|homeit does
06:29.40joshua_ices are a bit rare
06:29.43treke|homebut we were planning on doing it eventually
06:29.46kergothdf00z: check the bug tracker.
06:29.53kergothdf00z: could be this particular ice has already been reported
06:29.57kergothif so, there may be a patch
06:29.57treke|homeprobably once the new compiler is out :)
06:30.46df00zis there a GCC bug tracker?
06:31.18kergothyes. bugtraq on sources.redhat.com, iirc.
06:31.20joshua_I suggest dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null for a little while to clear buffers, then try thec ompile again
06:34.45df00zhttp://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/
06:34.50df00zshould i just post it here?
06:35.08df00zit doesnt look like it was found
06:35.55df00zwhy do i always run into the most bizzare of bugs
06:36.05joshua_<joshua_> I suggest dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null for a little while to clear buffers, then try thec ompile again
06:36.37df00zyou are insane
06:36.50df00zi accidentally did mkswap my main hd once though :(
06:37.10mithromost ICE i have seen are due to overclocked hardware
06:38.17mithroif the ICE's are generated at random it's likley to be a hardware bug, if they happen always in the same place then they could be true ICE's
06:38.38kergothwe've hit ice's in the past.
06:38.49kergothwe hit like 4 of them in the oe packgae tree with 3.4.0
06:38.56kergoth3.4.1 fixed them all and more
06:39.13mithronot saying it isn't an ice, just saying that try and run a make again and see if it fails in the same place again a few times
06:40.50df00zyea it did
06:40.51df00zsame place
06:41.22joshua_df00z: I am not insane
06:41.29joshua_input from /dev/hda, output to /dev/null. does not clear any data.
06:42.08df00zhttp://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17800
06:42.22df00zoh
06:42.26df00zjoshua i read that backwords
06:42.33df00zhowever, what kind of buffers is it clearing?
06:43.22joshua_if GCC is cached in memory and a bit got flipped..
06:43.48df00zWhat does writing to null do?
06:44.47joshua_nothing, but it causes the kernel to start clearing other things out of buffers and get the (bogus) data from the hard drive into the buffers.
06:44.54joshua_the clearing things out of buffers is what's important in this case
06:45.17df00zWouldent a bit only get flipped if i had failing ram?
06:45.40joshua_right
06:45.51joshua_or if your cpu was failing/overclocke
06:45.51df00zHighly unlikly
06:45.51joshua_d
06:45.55df00zi just ran memtest86
06:46.03joshua_or if a ray from space came down and zapped a chip at just the wrong time
06:46.05df00zovernight for 12 hours, 0 errors
06:46.23df00zanyway
06:46.27df00zdoing so, how long should i do it for?
06:46.38joshua_until you feel comfortable
06:46.38joshua_heh
06:46.48df00zhaha
06:46.59df00zWell ive never heard of doing this
06:47.42joshua_http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
06:48.15df00zSame error regardless
06:48.28df00zi would seriously put a tinfoil hat on my computer had that fixed the problem
06:53.43df00zOk
06:53.46df00zthis is impossible
06:53.49df00zim looking at the code lol
06:53.53df00zthere is nothing wrong with it
06:54.22kergothnobody said there was anything wrong with it
06:54.28df00zwell like
06:54.31df00zits not even anything weird
06:54.34kergothjust whatever it is happens to make the compiler bug visable
06:57.46df00zim looking at the compiler's source in arm.c...bad value for wC register number abort..that doesnt even sound like a parsing problem it sounds like its trying to compile bad code or something
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07:04.41joshua_boom!
07:04.43joshua_BOOOOOM!
07:04.55kergothheh
07:04.58df00zholy crap
07:04.58df00zthis is bad
07:05.03df00z| bitlbee.c:68: error: impossible constraint in `asm'
07:05.10df00zFD_ZERO( global.readfds );
07:05.16df00zThats on line 68
07:05.19df00zI see no asm
07:06.03df00z..and um the file descriptor set commands work in OE right?
07:08.31df00zHey, kergoth, FD_ZERO is in select.h...but where is the function actually found?  I wanna make sure this isn't some bad port of the FD set libraries
07:09.27kergothare you still getting the ICE?
07:09.30df00zyes
07:09.34df00zI reported it
07:09.41kergothFD_ZERO should work fine, and no matter what it does, the compiler is still broken.
07:09.48kergothyou should never be able to cause an ice in code
07:09.48df00zWell
07:09.50kergothperiod
07:09.58df00zi commented some code out
07:10.01df00zand i got that other stuff
07:10.06df00zbitlbee.c:68: error: impossible constraint in `asm'
07:10.11df00zand on the line was FD_ZERO
07:10.26kergothit sounds like its inadvertantly pulling in headers from /usr/
07:10.31kergothlook at the compile line
07:12.48df00zexport includedir=/usr/include in log.docompile?
07:13.01df00zor is that just where files will go for install
07:13.02kergothno.
07:13.05kergoththats target.
07:13.08kergothand that is what oe sets.
07:13.08df00zah
07:13.27kergothagain, look at hte copmile line.
07:13.32kergothyou know, the one actually calling gcc.
07:13.35df00zoh
07:13.37df00zso the makefile
07:13.42kergothwhat?
07:13.42kergothno
07:13.47kergoththe fucking gcc command it called when it failed
07:13.51kergothlike 4 lines up
07:13.54df00zits not visible
07:14.00kergothso go to the bottom of the log
07:14.03kergoththis isnt rocket science
07:14.04df00z* Compiling bitlbee.c
07:14.04df00zbitlbee.c: In function `bitlbee_daemon_main_loop':
07:14.04df00zbitlbee.c:68: error: impossible constraint in `asm'
07:14.10kergothokay, so their makefile hides it.
07:14.12df00zjsut says *Compiling whatever
07:14.12df00zyea.
07:14.19kergothfind it in the makefile, remove the @ at the beginning of the call to gcc
07:14.22kergoththen build it again
07:15.05df00z<PROTECTED>
07:15.10df00zI/usr/include
07:15.25df00zdoo bee doo be doo why the hell
07:15.34kergothyep, there ya go
07:15.44kergothnow the hard part. figure out where thats coming from
07:17.48df00zuh
07:17.54df00zCFLAGS=-I.
07:18.07df00zin Makefile.settings
07:18.19df00zalso
07:18.22df00z-I/usr/include
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07:18.34df00zcompiles now
07:18.38kergothheh
07:18.41kergothcool
07:18.54df00zwhat faggotry, lets see if itl compile the original source though or if itl still eat itself
07:19.34reenoo_morning
07:19.56df00zyup.
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07:22.05df00zHmm, it's probably somthing in the configure script that adds that to Makefile.settings, right?
07:22.24kergothdepends. is there a Makefile.settings.in?
07:22.33df00zno
07:22.41kergoththen i doubt it
07:22.53df00zbut ./configure creates Makefile.settings
07:23.04kergoththen yes
07:23.16df00zoh
07:23.19df00zbroken configure script
07:23.31kergothphew, finally got ctrlproxy all happy. using ssl for the clients now
07:23.42kergothand backlog works
07:24.31df00zIs it ok to say...configure it manually, and then just add the Makefile and makefile.settings to oe?
07:24.38df00zor should i fix the configure script
07:24.59df00zthe configure script is ridden with direct references to /usr/whatever
07:25.00kergothfix it properly.
07:25.23kergothfixing builds is always a pain in the ass
07:25.25kergothsometimes worse than others
07:26.54df00zwell, what is a configure script for anyway, aside from locating dependencies and stuff?
07:27.08df00zIt's improper to just have a makefile and no configure script?
07:27.34kergothbitlbee uses a configure script.  we're not going to substantially rework their buildsystem
07:27.56kergothits used for tons of things. testing the build environment, testing for things about the target environment, locating libs and headers, etc
07:29.12df00zwell, it's not going to break anything if I just have a working makefile, is it?
07:29.22df00zit's a fairly short makefile
07:29.24kergoththat depends
07:29.36df00zactually..damnit
07:29.41kergothbut remember that we always try to do things in such a way as to get the changes accepted upstream
07:29.52df00zwhat it puts out are references to my oe path lol
07:29.56df00zso it wont work for other people
07:30.00df00zi guess theres no way around it then
07:30.01kergothshort term hacks are okay to get things going, but we always, always prefer patches that fix crosscompilation without breaking normal builds, that they'll accept
07:30.07df00zAh.
07:30.32kergothcourse we're really bad about actually pushing things upstream, but thatll change
07:30.52df00zHm
07:36.29df00zum
07:36.30df00zok
07:36.32df00zthis isnt good
07:36.37df00zi did make clean a few times
07:36.38df00zand make
07:36.44df00zoebuild clean oebuild
07:36.47df00zand then like
07:36.57df00zit stopped adding -I /usr/include to the Makefile.settingsd
07:37.06df00zWhat could that mean
07:37.48reenoo_kergoth: how do I bk mv directories?
07:38.17kergothreenoo_: ..
07:38.21kergothreenoo_: bk mvdir
07:38.30reenoo_ah. doh
07:38.38kergothheh
07:40.04reenoo_wtf
07:40.18reenoo_it deleted the dir when the bk mv failed
07:40.27df00zHmm
07:41.05df00z#include <openssl/ssl.h>
07:41.09df00z| ssl_openssl.c:30:25: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory
07:41.12df00z./staging/arm-linux/include/openssl/ssl.h
07:41.17df00zis something wrong here?
07:42.02df00zdo i have to include that directory?
07:42.52df00zyup i did lol
07:43.18kergothoe already adds that search path to its CFLAGS.  it should have that
07:43.19kergothheh
07:43.29df00zwell, it didnt ._.
07:43.36df00zsomething really weird is up
07:43.46df00zi did oebuild clean oefile oebuild oebuild clean
07:43.47df00zetc
07:43.52df00zand eventually like it started working
07:43.55df00zand not adding /usr/include
07:44.14df00zits not like i edited the source tar.gz either
07:44.19df00zso i dont know what could be going on
07:58.07df00zwell
07:58.10df00zbitlbee does work on the zaurus ;)
07:58.15df00znow i need an irc client..heh heh
08:00.24kergothheh, nice
08:01.59df00zsocket error: success :eye twitch:
08:02.12df00zseriously, who writes error messages like that
08:02.19kergothno one
08:02.30df00zhaha tell that to opie-irc
08:02.33kergoththey're calling perror(), which looks up the message via errno
08:02.54kergothhowever, errno got overwritten by a call to some other function in the libc after the error occurred, but before they printed it
08:02.55df00zruined with your technicalities :(
08:03.05kergothso indeed, errno showed no error.
08:03.07kergothSuccess.
08:03.19kergothits a bug in their error handling code
08:03.26kergothrelatively minor one, all things considered
08:03.27df00zAh
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08:19.30mithrohey pb_
08:19.37df00zoh jesus
08:19.38pb_hi mithro
08:19.39df00zthat is annoying
08:19.44df00zshowing html is gay
08:19.48df00zin bitlbee
08:19.53df00zi will fix that
08:20.07mithropb_: kergoth said you may know lots about softfloat?
08:20.17pb_some, yeah
08:20.24pb_"lots" might be stretching it
08:20.44reenoo_morning pb_
08:20.53pb_hi reenoo_
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08:21.27treke|homehrmm
08:21.35treke|homeI should have probably gone to bed a couple hours ago
08:21.44df00zspeaking of softfloat
08:21.50df00zif i build mplayer and whatnot
08:21.54df00zitl use softfloat
08:21.55df00zright?
08:22.00mithrowhy can't non-softfloat binaries use softfloat libraries?
08:22.01df00zsince OZ3.5.1 has it
08:22.01treke|homeif you tell oe to use softfloat
08:22.06df00zand i set TARGET_FPU to soft
08:22.17treke|homemithro: incompatible abis
08:23.19mithrobut why are the abis incompatible?
08:23.24treke|homethey just are.
08:23.42treke|homeI don't know how it all ended up that way when it was written
08:23.43treke|homebut it did
08:24.32mithroand why does softfloat even change the ABIs? except is you where parsing stuff around in FPU registers?
08:24.50treke|homeyou'll have to ask the authors
08:25.10treke|homefor better or worse, the code has been written and as it is, you can't mix things without trouble
08:25.45anderseemithro: for starters, things like libc _cant_ be the same
08:26.14anderseemithro: setjmp/longjmp for example need to preserve and restore fp registers.  or not.
08:27.07mithroif they are using softfloat they should never touch the "virtual" fp registers?
08:28.32anderseemithro: what "virtual" fp registers?
08:28.43mithrothe one hardware fp emulation provides?
08:28.54anderseemithro: you either have fp, or you don't
08:29.16anderseemithro: with softfloat, you don't, so you can't touch them
08:29.46treke|homeopenzaurus is probably a bit of an oddity in that we didnt disable kernel floating point emulation
08:29.54pb_treke|home: you probably should have, yah
08:29.54pb_mithro: because the ABIs are not compatible.
08:29.59pb_function arguments and return values are passed differently in soft-float.
08:30.22mithrosoftfloat == the special library, there is also the kernel fp emulation
08:30.25treke|homepb_: I think the idea was that some courageous soul would want to build a complete compatibility environment that ran alongside
08:31.00treke|homeI wouldnt be adverse to dumping it if mickey and kergoth wanted to
08:31.18pb_treke|home: you could certainly do that, but it would have to be a complete environment.
08:31.22pb_everything from libc up to libqpe.
08:31.22treke|homepb_: people on the mailing list are finding that old apps from 3.3.6 do weird things, particularly ones that do a lot of math
08:31.25treke|homeyup
08:31.26mithrotreke: which wouldn't have been all that hard if the ABI between softfloat/hardfloat was the same
08:31.39anderseesoft-float doesn't use the bass-ackwards arm fp endianness
08:31.53treke|homemithro, and it would be easier if the abi for C++ between gcc2 and gcc3 were the same
08:32.10treke|homeat this point, it's a little to late for that :)
08:32.12anderseeit would be easier if opie-mediaplayer worked
08:32.20mithroi'm just intrested to find out why/how it changed
08:32.23treke|homeandersee: mikelp  is working on it
08:32.28anderseehehe
08:32.45treke|homeor at least he was
08:32.50treke|homehe may have given up in disgust
08:33.05mithroi assume that alot smarter people are working on this stuff so I'm trying to learn from there decisions :)
08:33.05pb_mithro: the old abi used FPA registers to pass floating point arguments into functions.  in soft-float, those FPA registers do not exist, so the values must be passed somewhere else.
08:33.22pb_also, as andersee mentioned, there is an issue with setjmp.
08:34.01pb_and the layout of doubles has changed as well.
08:34.09mithroahh okay
08:34.13mithrothats what i wanted to know
08:34.30mithroi made the (somewhat stupid) assumption everything was passed on the stack
08:35.01mithrohence if they used the same format on the stack it would be a non-issue right?
08:35.06pb_yes
08:35.20pb_but, due to the double format change, even that would probably be unlikely.
08:35.34treke|homeit's really a shame that apps don't just crash and burn when mixed
08:35.46treke|homeit would save people a lot of headache
08:36.02mithrobut in theory if somebody was a into machosim they could write a wrapper library that took the floats, saved them to the stack in the correct format?
08:36.48df00zLOL!
08:36.52anderseeor that some someone could just recompile everything, and use their time for something else
08:36.54df00zoscar.c is pretty funny
08:36.58df00zstruct pieceofcrap {
08:37.02treke|homeha
08:37.05df00zstruct void damn_you(gpointer data
08:37.20treke|homethis is what happes when you code drunk
08:37.29df00zhah
08:38.01mithroopera is about the only program i'm still intrested in on 2.95.x and hardfloat
08:38.59mithroso softfloat has uses fp in the opposite direction to the hardware fp?
08:40.21anderseemithro: perhaps this is a better solution -- http://freshmeat.net/projects/statifier/
08:40.47treke|homethat's pretty slick
08:40.48anderseemithro: make opera be staticly linked...
08:40.59treke|homethough that's going to be one big ass binary
08:41.07mithroyeah
08:41.23mithroin theory you could generate the above wrapper library automatically?
08:41.52mithrobtw what to those jmp commands do?
08:41.57treke|home"Files, created by statifier ("pseudo-static") combine disadvantages of both of them: "
08:42.07anderseecould also set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to a set of older shared libs
08:42.21mithroandersee: that what my oz-compat libs do
08:42.25treke|homewill LD_LIBRARY_PATH work with libc?
08:42.36anderseeyep
08:42.45anderseeshould anyway
08:42.54df00zoh
08:43.01df00zbitlbee can already strip html
08:43.23treke|homelooks like statifier might not run on arm
08:43.49treke|homemithro, in theory the compat libs should be doable similarly to how they are done now
08:43.55treke|homeyou just need to add more libraries in
08:44.30treke|homemight be wise to split it up into components if you do that though
08:44.41treke|homesince not everyone would need every library
08:44.47mithrotreke: it would require double the flash space :)
08:45.32treke|homemithro, statifier looks like it would be worse
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08:47.41mithropb_: so obviously arm can only parse so many fp numbers through the registers, it uses the stack for the rest of them?
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09:05.11df00zHmm, well this is pretty cool
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09:21.47df00zHmm, you can get a keyboard for zauruses...
09:21.51df00zsupposudly
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09:46.21df00zHmm
09:46.24df00zi wonder if lufs can be added
09:49.13kergothdf00z: its in packages/nonworking/
09:49.19kergothnever got finished, apparently
09:49.58df00zoh, its there? hm.
09:50.06kergothwould be a starting point, anyway
09:50.23df00zuh
09:50.24df00zwell
09:50.34df00zi just made a new 1/2 assed oe and so far its compiling
09:51.18df00zhaha
09:51.39df00zits also using /usr/src/linux-2.6.7 arg.  ill have to look at it when im awake
09:52.05pb_evening kergoth
09:52.23kergothhey
09:53.20df00zhmm.
09:54.27pb_CoreDump|home: I thought you were going to add the feed definitions to separate files, rather than ipkg.conf, as we discussed yesterday.
09:54.28df00zhehe pb: bitblee built ;D
09:54.45df00zSo like its good for aim,irq,msn,jabber,yahoo etc
09:55.07CoreDump|homepb_: yes, but that doesn't go well with opie-aqpkg which is still used by many people
09:55.26pb_Ah, I thought opie-aqpkg was obsolete.  Don't you have opie-packagemanager now?
09:56.07CoreDump|homeopie-packagemanager still has problems.Not ready for use IMO.
09:56.43pb_even though opie-packagemanager is what goes into the image?
09:56.49CoreDump|homeyes
09:56.59pb_bizarre.
09:57.13pb_why are you shipping the package manager that doesn't work?
09:57.16CoreDump|home:)it's an "unstable" image after all heh
09:57.46CoreDump|homebecause it is the future. i just hope someone is working on it lol
09:58.33pb_ok
09:58.57pb_I recommend you have image_ipk.oeclass create a separate .conf file for each feed, and confine the ipkg.conf munging to opie-image.oe.
09:59.15CoreDump|homehmmm
09:59.53CoreDump|homedo you know the GPE package manager? can he handle additional .conf files?
10:00.07pb_I don't know, but if it can't then it should be fixed.
10:00.14CoreDump|home:)
10:00.20pb_We've always used separate .conf files for GPE before, and nobody has complained.
10:00.32CoreDump|homei see. Never used GPE, sorry
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10:01.52pb_Bashing ipkg.conf around in image_ipk.oeclass is not very satisfactory, because it means that those changes will be overwritten if ipkg-collateral.ipk is upgraded or reinstalled.
10:02.38pb_It also means that, if and when we implement md5sum-based package integrity checking, ipkg.conf would show up as corrupt.
10:03.25pb_If it's necessary to do that for Opie in order to work around deficiencies in aqpkg, that's fine, but we shouldn't do it globally.
10:03.43CoreDump|homeok, what about FEED_URIS = "$name##$URI;external=no"
10:04.11CoreDump|homeand the default beeing not to touch ipkg.conf
10:04.38pb_That would work, but I would prefer to have the ipkg.conf mangling code in opie-image.oe, rather than in the .oeclass.
10:04.56CoreDump|homeok
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10:08.09CoreDump|homeoh, i see a problem there. since the image is completely populated and built by image_ipkg.oeclass, any hack to opie-image would mean to disassemble the image again, and *then* change ipkg.conf
10:08.28CoreDump|homeand rebuild it, of course
10:08.44CoreDump|homenasty
10:08.51pb_You should be able to use ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND for that
10:10.18pb_i.e. you need to deal with the feeds during the rootfs step, not image.
10:10.25CoreDump|homeyes
10:28.16dc_morning pb_
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10:33.51CoreDump|homehi hrw
10:34.29hrwCoreDump|home: your feed code helps me a lot in searching for wrong section
10:34.45CoreDump|homereally? hows that
10:35.29hrwCoreDump|home: oebuild oz-feed.oe and look into Packages. if there is a package which depend on libqpe1 (and is not sdl based) then it has wrong section - should have opie/* one
10:35.46CoreDump|homeahh, yes
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10:41.39CoreDump|homepb_: what about exporting a new function in rootfs_ipk to merge the feeds into ipkg.conf, and then call it w/ ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND? i don't have a clue on how to do that just within opie-image asi don't do python
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10:42.59pb_we could do that, but if (as I hope) it will only ever be used by opie-image, there isn't much advantage in having the code in rootfs_ipk.
10:43.10ger[ioe]The oe website is really slow :(
10:43.36CoreDump|homei understand
10:44.13ger[ioe]Does anybody now what I should do after i installed everything ?
10:44.49hrwbtw - if I want to add some meta/ feed packages they shoudl be called *-feed.oe or feed-*.oe? * = doc, devel, locale
10:45.15hrwger[ioe]: cat packages/conf/local.conf.sample>build/conf/local.conf and edit it
10:45.31CoreDump|homeso a new.oeclass it shall be, which can be dropped after packagemanager gets ready
10:45.51CoreDump|homeno useless code in any existing class then
10:46.14hrwCoreDump|home: and inherited only in opie-image.oe?
10:46.21CoreDump|homeyeah
10:48.28pb_what's the advantage of a new .oeclass compared to just putting the code in opie-image.oe?
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11:01.08CoreDump|homepb_: that one is easy. as i can't put a full bash script into ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND (the parser doesn't like that at all), it has to be either in a .oeclass, or maybe written in python directly in opie-image (if that's even possible). I don't do python and i'm not going to learn it in a few hours. As it looks like, i'll just write the feeds into /etc/ipkg/$some-file.conf and keep the new oeclass for myself, as it is oviously n
11:01.08CoreDump|homeot wanted. It's just not worth the hassle of hacking 2+ hours and then having to redo everything *again*, sorry. I personally just want perfectly working images and i really don't see why the *core* feeds shouldn't go into ipkg.conf as it has been in the past (at least for opie, don't know about GPE).
11:01.54pb_CoreDump|home: I still don't undersatnd the 'has to be in an .oeclass' bit.  Why can't you just write it as a shell function in opie-image.oe?
11:03.10pb_I don't really understand the reference to python, either.  All the image construction code is written in shell.
11:04.08CoreDump|homeyes it is, the .oe are however parsed by python which chockes on about anything unsual if it isn't inside a function
11:04.24pb_eh?
11:04.33pb_the .oe files are parsed in exactly the same way as the .oeclass files.
11:06.20mithropb_: is there any documentation on the ABI difference between softfloat and nonsoftfloat?
11:06.34pb_not that I know of
11:06.48CoreDump|homeindeed, and everything works perfectly as long as you put it into a function. The example would be ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND. In bash one can place a full script into a variable and then just call $SOME_VAR. Can't do that in .oe as it chokes on newline
11:07.04pb_CoreDump|home: right, so why don't you just put this function in the .oe?
11:07.53CoreDump|homethe question is if it would be seen by image_ipk.oeclass
11:08.39CoreDump|homevariables need to be exported to be seen by anything outside the .oe. How do you export functions?
11:08.49CoreDump|homethat i do not know
11:08.59pb_no, that's not what "export" means.
11:09.57pb_"export" just means that the variable is added to the environment when a shell function is executed.
11:10.13pb_OE doesn't have any notion of file-scope variables.  Everything is always global.
11:10.47CoreDump|homehmmm
11:18.04CoreDump|homepb_: ok, that works. How about the borked feed-source provided by ipkg-collateral? That one must go, as it leads to no feed at all and just produces error messages by ipkg update
11:18.09CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2392 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg/epia/xorg.conf: add xorg.conf for EPiA
11:18.27pb_CoreDump|home: sounds like ipkg-collateral should be patched to remove that bogus source
11:18.36CoreDump|homeyeah
11:18.42CoreDump|homewill do that then
11:18.46pb_cool
11:19.57pb_looks like you just need to replace ipkg-collateral/openzaurus/src with an empty file.
11:20.22hrwor just remove it
11:20.28pb_or that
11:21.29pb_there's one other issue that I noticed: the FEED_URIS in opie-image should really be FEED_URIS_openzaurus, since those URIs might not be appropriate for Familiar.
11:24.45CoreDump|homeumm isn't every one using the same feed as of 3.5.1?
11:25.56anomaly_where can i go to get some support/help/advice with openembedded? notice this isn't a support chan, and i've had no end of problems with apperently missing files after a clean cloning of oe and packages
11:27.46anomaly_/openembedded/tmp/work/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37-r0/kernel/kernel/scripts/mkdep: No such file or directory
11:27.55CoreDump|homeanomaly_: that's the right channel for OE problems, just not for OZ / Fam / GPE / Opie stuff
11:28.03anomaly_ok
11:28.18anomaly_well, something is making the cross tools look in the wrong directory for the kernel scripts
11:28.22anomaly_notice the duplicate /kernel/
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11:28.28anomaly_(h3900 btw)
11:29.00anomaly_if i manually copy the scripts to that dir i get a whole bunch of recursion issues during compiling and the whole thing fails miserably
11:29.14anomaly_other packages work btw
11:29.48anomaly_or is that more of a handhelds.org issue?
11:29.50pb_CoreDump|home: no, I think we will probably continue having separate feeds for Familiar and openzaurus for a bit.
11:29.58CoreDump|homei c
11:30.09pb_anomaly_: that'd probably be an issue for reenoo_cleaning.
11:30.23pb_I think he worked on handhelds-pxa most recently.
11:30.30anomaly_ok
11:30.39anomaly_thanks
11:32.25ger[ioe]:(
11:32.29ger[ioe]It seems handhelds.org is down as well
11:32.48pb_64 bytes from handhelds.org (192.58.209.90): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=81.8 ms
11:32.51pb_doesn't seem down to me
11:33.30mithropb_: so is there any documentation on softfloat abi then?
11:33.45pb_no
11:33.50ger[ioe]pb it seems I cannot get to the wiki
11:34.31CoreDump|homepb_: oe.org is very laggy and times out a lot
11:34.40pb_hm, the machine does seem to be swapping a lot
11:35.10mithroif you wanted to write some ASM which had to intergrate with softfloat calling interface where would i find out information on it?
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11:38.02pb_hm, some malefactor seems to be hitting the webserver with lots of requests
11:41.00mithropb_: wouldn't happen to know a good place to start with learning about coding ARM asm, and asm calling non ASM functions?
11:41.10pb_not offhand, sorry
11:42.28mithroi've coded 3 types of ASM now, but all on raw hardware
11:43.47CoreDump|homeis there a variable from which i can read for which platform one i building? (OZ or FAM)
11:44.36hrwCoreDump|home: DISTRO
11:44.50CoreDump|homehrw: doh! thanks :) makes sense heh
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11:47.06ger[ioe]I am missing two directories
11:47.07CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2393 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg_6.8.oe:
11:47.07CIA-5add x11.conf file
11:47.08CIA-5move more xprint bits into xprint package
11:47.10ger[ioe]Sources and build
11:47.33hrwger[ioe]: create them by hand
11:48.14ger[ioe]hrw okay
11:49.46hrwsmpeg is in section 'NET' - I plan to move it to 'libs' - but so we have 'subsections' in 'libs'? 'libs/net' is in libtomcrypt
11:51.17hrwanyway  - have to go
11:51.17hrwbbl
11:55.46CoreDump|homeit might be not a bad idea to have a way to include "disabled" (ie commented out) feeds
11:56.18CoreDump|homewho on earth want a feed w/ locale-* and glibc-* (900+ packages)
11:56.52pb_people who want to install the locales, presumably.
11:57.44CoreDump|homepb_: sure but for most folks i18n-XX is enough
11:58.08pb_"most folks" in this context meaning opie users, presumably
11:58.30CoreDump|homesure, how does GPE handle locales?
11:58.36pb_using the glibc locale data
11:59.10pb_ger[ioe]: I restarted httpd on handhelds.org and it seems a bit happier now.
12:01.28CoreDump|homeas there now is a way to split the feed, it would at least make sense to package the locale-* and glibc-* stuff into a seperate feed. opie-image just wouldn't include it, but gpe-image can
12:03.06pb_sounds ok
12:15.29mickeylmorning
12:16.25CoreDump|homehi mickeyl
12:16.38pb_morning mickey
12:18.13reenoo_re
12:18.37reenoo_anomaly_: I'm on this channel. no need to message me
12:20.56reenoo_and the handhelds-sa build I started this morning failed here as well
12:21.34reenoo_same issue as the one that has already been posted on the list
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12:25.56anomaly_ok
12:26.28CIA-503mickeyl 07 * r1.2387.1.1 10packages/libxine/libxine_1.0.0-beta12.oe:
12:26.29CIA-5fix do_compile. guys, could you please stop committing before testing?
12:26.30CIA-5on a related note, all libxine are broken anyway. could someone try the configure mechanism to undef HAVE_X11 and HAVE_XV in every case?
12:26.58anomaly_also, i only messaged you cause you were afk, sorry :P
12:27.49reenoo_anomaly_: np
12:32.46reenoo_nice
12:33.04reenoo_pb_: jamey is in Bhutan, right?
12:33.16reenoo_ibot seen jamey
12:33.22ibotjamey <~jamey@192.208.47.187> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 8d 14h 57m 14s ago, saying: 'I will be on vacation, trekking in Bhutan. back October 13th.'.
12:34.58reenoo_brb
12:36.15pb_reenoo_: correct
12:40.06reenoo_there are some files (at least one) missing
12:42.44reenoo_right. missing 'cvs add' I guess
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12:46.09treke|homeI must give paetec credit. They did call me back promptly
12:46.15treke|homeat 5am my time
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12:46.21pb_heh, jolly good
12:47.09Twiunanyone going to the Symbian Expo in London?
12:47.11Twiunhey pb_
12:47.24reenoo_hi Twiun
12:47.24pb_hi Twiun
12:47.30Twiunhey reenoo_
12:47.40pb_no plans to attend the Symbian thing on my part
12:49.37pb_treke|home: good night (again)
12:50.52CoreDump|homehmm bk is locked?
12:50.59pb_usually
12:52.22CIA-503CoreDump 07 * r1.2395 10packages/ (classes/image_ipk.oeclass meta/opie-image.oe):
12:52.24CIA-5Change FEED_URI handling to store feeds in /etc/ipkg/*-feed.conf. Allow
12:52.25CIA-5distribution specific feeds using FEED_URIS_openzaurus or FEED_URIS_familiar
12:52.27CIA-5(see opie-image.oe for details). Add merge_feeds to opie-image.oe to store the
12:52.29CIA-5feeds in ipkg.conf since aqpkg can't handle feeds in /etc/ipkg/*
12:53.29pb_excellent
12:54.00gerwinOkay if I have downloaded all files with bitkeeper , than I got /home/gerwin/src/packages
12:54.14gerwinand /home/gerwin/src/oe
12:54.32gerwinI have set the enivornment variable
12:54.39gerwinWhat should I do next
12:54.51pb_CoreDump|home: that 'case ${DISTRO} in ...' is unnecessary.  overrides will take care of FEED_URIS_${DISTRO} for you.
12:55.27CoreDump|homehow's that. is that an OE thingy?
12:55.31pb_yes
12:55.33CoreDump|homeok
12:55.44pb_just use ${FEED_URIS}, and it will all work out fine.
12:59.00CoreDump|homeneat!
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13:04.05CoreDump|homeph34r my 5p3ll1ng sk1llz
13:04.29pb_heh
13:06.21CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2393.1.1 10packages/nslu2-binary-only/nslu2-firmware-binary_2.3r25.oe: add DEPENDS on unzip-native
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13:18.29Bernardohi
13:21.07reenoo_hey Bernardo
13:21.16Bernardohi reenoo_
13:21.22reenoo_hmm
13:21.29reenoo_depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /home2/oe/build-arm/tmp/work/handhelds-sa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37-r0/image/lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37/kernel/net/ipv6/mobile_ip6/mip6_mn.o
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13:22.09reenoo_looks like that stuff is not quite ready yet
13:22.28reenoo_pb_: suggestions?
13:22.59Bernardoreenoo_: simpad?
13:23.14Bernardoif so, just ignore that one, I've seen it for ages
13:23.15pb_reenoo_: dunno.  either back out to hh36, or consult the MIPL code to find out what's up
13:27.05reenoo_pb_: honestly, I don't think I'd know how to debug this
13:27.40pb_ok
13:27.47pb_in that case, I suggest you make hh36 the default again for now
13:28.33Bernardoreenoo_: you can also try doing a "make menuconfig ARCH=arm" in your kernel source dir, and change the modules/in kernel option for ipv6 modules
13:28.42gerwinAnybody any idea where I can find the configuration file of oecommander ?
13:28.48Bernardothen copy the generated .config to your defconfig-*
13:28.59Bernardoand rebuild your kernel
13:29.05reenoo_gerwin: oecommander doesn't work yet
13:29.49gerwinReenoo_ thanks I will build my images in another way
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13:36.07reenoo_pb_: think I found the reason. rebuilding...
13:36.39pb_ok, cool
13:37.15reenoo_"Be aware that your .config needs to define CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=m now (instead of the old CONFIG_IPV6_IPV6_TUNNEL=m)"
13:37.22pb_aha
13:40.11reenoo_right. no unresolved symbols this time
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13:43.38kollawhat's the name of the tiny font used on the console of the Z?
13:49.15Bernardoreenoo_: that didn't fix it for the simpad... :(
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13:51.23gerwinIf I try to built an image I get the error unable to open oe.conf
13:51.31gerwinSomebody an idea what I did wrong ?
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14:11.19gerwinIt works m:):):):):)
14:13.08reenoo_re
14:13.43CoreDump|homedid anyone here try to enable the sftp-server in dropbear?
14:13.47gerwinNow I need to find out how I can compile for my platform
14:13.57gerwinSo this works on fedora as well
14:17.51anomaly_thats what i have it running on at the moment
14:22.19reenoo_gerwin: what python version does fedora ship nowadays?
14:24.11gerwinreenoo_ : let me check
14:28.24reenoo_gerwin: just run 'python' in an xterm. it should output the version string (exit with CTRL-d)
14:30.26gerwin2.3.3
14:31.18gerwinI am only wondering now everything is working if there is a wiki on how I can compile everything
14:31.36reenoo_should work fine then (OE needs python 2.3)
14:32.50reenoo_you may also need make 3.80 to compile handhelds.org kernels though
14:33.00gerwinYou need to adapt the local.conf
14:33.10gerwinand you need to adapt the script
14:33.12TwiunI mostly followed the GettingStarted wiki entry (and linked entries)
14:33.19Twiunseems to be building just fine atm
14:34.04reenoo_[I was referring to the running OE _on fedora_ part only]
14:35.14reenoo_Twiun: going to build sablevm?
14:36.49anomaly_GNU Make 3.80
14:36.58anomaly_yerp
14:38.09reenoo_anomaly_: where you trying to build handhelds-pxa btw?
14:38.35anomaly_yes
14:39.09CIA-503mickeyl 07 * r1.2394.1.1 10packages/python-sip/python-sip_4.0.1.oe: fun with fixing sip
14:42.55Twiunreenoo_: Yeah
14:43.21reenoo_Twiun: cool
14:45.13Twiunreenoo_: any special config changes I need to do to enable soft-float for sablevm?
14:46.09reenoo_Twiun: set DISTRO=openzaurus-3.5.1 in your local.conf I think
14:47.22CIA-503mickeyl 07 * r1.2401 10packages/ (python/python-pyqt_3.12.oe python-sip/python-sip_4.0.1.oe): fun with fixing pyqt
14:47.26reenoo_DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.1" rather
14:47.43reenoo_soft float as such is enabled by TARGET_FPU = "soft"
14:50.13gerwinC compil er cannot create executables
14:50.13gerwin<PROTECTED>
14:55.45reenoo_anomaly_: try this patch http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~rwagner/oe/missing-mipv6-bits.patch
14:55.56reenoo_err
14:56.03reenoo_http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~rwagner/oe/handhelds-pxa-mipv6.patch
14:56.07reenoo_that one
14:57.27anomaly_ok
14:57.38anomaly_but it dies before it gets to compiling any modules..
14:59.30reenoo_what dies and what's the error you get?
15:01.11anomaly_it dies on do_configure
15:01.19anomaly_saying the defconfig-ipaqpxa is missing
15:01.50anomaly_then when i copy it to there it dies when make calls scripts/Configure arch/arm/config.in
15:02.33reenoo_you remembered to 'bk pull && bk -r co -q', right?
15:02.41anomaly_yes
15:02.48anomaly_have to wait if you want me to paste it, just started a clean one
15:09.30CoreDump|homeis there any reason that we keep /u/l/ipkg/lists/oe in the ROM (created by roofs_ipk)?
15:10.45reenoo_anomaly_: no. just oebuild clean the package (unless you've done so already), pull the latest code from bk, apply the patch, and rebuild handhelds-pxa
15:11.20pb_CoreDump|home: no
15:11.35CoreDump|homethought so
15:12.36anomaly_reenoo_: ok
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15:17.07gerwinI keep on having an error with building :
15:17.21gerwinC compiler cannot create executables
15:17.26gerwinSee config.log
15:17.44gerwinDoes somebody know how to solve this ?
15:20.19reenoo_gerwin: unless you provide more info the answer is probably no. my only guess is that you host compiler/build environment is not (fully) installed/hosed/whatever
15:20.32reenoo_s/that you/that your/
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15:37.07reenoo_anomaly_: does handhelds-pxa compile for you now?
15:37.51anomaly_have to wait
15:38.12anomaly_by clean i meant everything, to undo my tinkering
15:38.20anomaly_rebuilding the cross tools at the moment
15:38.55reenoo_heh
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15:48.35gerwinwhere can i find config.log ?
15:54.19albanits in packages/conf/ dfirectory there is a sample conf file  
15:54.49reenoo_alban: local.conf.sample has nothing to do with a config.log
15:55.14albanahh SORRY I misread it ...
15:56.02reenoo_gerwin: $OE_TMP/work/<packagename>/...
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16:11.03kollauh-oh.. managed to mess up the keyboard layout :)
16:14.03kollais there a way to reset keyboard layout? :)
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16:14.52kollawithout booting that is
16:18.28Bernardomickey|away: with konq/e, checking for cookies, some sites ask, the others don't... and logging into mail.yahoo.com always returns "Your browser doesn't have cookies enabled"
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16:25.09reenoo_Bernardo: note that some sites are just broken. I've seen the same behaviour with earlier versions of galeon.
16:26.02BernardoI also have cookie problems (can't login) with my home webmail server (openwebmail)
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17:38.09hrwre
17:38.19hrwBernardo: some sites use JS to test cookies
17:38.23Ralphis there any 64/0 image (3.5.1) for poodle ?  :-)
17:38.52hrwRalph: poodle has 32MiB ram
17:39.15Bernardohrw: I have js enabled in konq
17:39.25Ralph5600
17:40.47hrwBernardo: maybe those site use borken js code
17:41.38hrwRalph: poodle (zaurus 5600) has 64MiB flash (so called 'ROM') and 32MiB of RAM
17:41.48Ralph5600 is colie or poodle ?
17:41.55hrwpoodle
17:41.56pb_ibot, poodle?
17:41.56ibotit has been said that poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog
17:41.58Ralphok
17:42.00hrwcollie is 5500
17:42.22hrwRalph: and kernels for collie are available in feed area?
17:42.26pb_kergoth: do you know what native-kernel is for?
17:42.38hrwpb_: for MACHINE="native"?
17:42.43Bernardohrw: it works on "regular" konqueror
17:42.55hrwBernardo: regular konq is much newer...
17:43.18hrwRalph: http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.1/sl5000,sl5500/ - 24/8, 32/0, 40/24, 48/16, 56/8, 64/0 kernels
17:43.24Ralph(i have poodle) ok ... can it be that installing into /home (32MB internal) is not working?
17:43.30Bernardoyep, but at least openwebmail has worked for me using konq, opera or mozilla/firefox for ages
17:43.37Ralphi have 5600
17:43.51hrwRalph: /home is not mounted?
17:43.58Ralphand for 5600 there is no 64/0
17:44.04Ralphit is
17:44.21hrwRalph: for 5600 64/0 is not possible as it has only 32MiB of ram
17:44.25Ralphits not linking probably ...
17:44.41Ralph5500 has 64 MB Ram ?
17:44.49hrwRalph: a... ipkg-link problems? tried "ipkg-link mount /home"?
17:44.59Ralphyes
17:46.34hrwI can't help you - didn't use ipkg-link
17:47.08Ralphwhat are you using ?
17:50.16hrwI have /opt/ symlinked to /mnt/cf/opt/ (which is second partition of cf card)
17:51.21hrwhmm.. ipkg doesn't know about conffiles?
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18:11.33niklashI'm having trouble compiling the new hh37 kernel. Can I make oemake use the older one instead, by setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER or something?
18:12.06kergothPREFERRED_VERSION_packagename = "packageversion"
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18:13.00gb2is there a working uml kernel in OE at the moment?
18:14.10niklashkergoth: Would that be PREFERRED_PROVIDER_handhelds_sa = "handhelds-sa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh36.12", or should I drop the second handhelds_sa?
18:14.10CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2405 10packages/native/native-kernel.oe: set COMPATIBLE_HOST=${BUILD_SYS}
18:14.38hrwdrop
18:15.14kergothniklash: uh?
18:15.20kergothread what i wrote again.
18:15.24kergothi didnt say preferred provider.
18:15.35niklashkergoth: Oh.
18:15.47kergothyou want PREFERRED_VERSION_handhelds-sa = "2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh36.12" or whatever
18:16.00niklashOK. Thanks.
18:16.16gb2hrm
18:16.16gb2NOTICE: You are currently using an old version of BitKeeper (bk-3.2.0)
18:16.16gb2<PROTECTED>
18:16.16gb2<PROTECTED>
18:16.22kergothheh
18:16.25gb2yet, bitkeeper.com says 3.2.0 is newest
18:16.30pb_doh
18:16.52hrwgb2: and download zone has 3.2.3
18:17.02gb2what's the direct url to it?
18:17.03hrwBitKeeper version is bk-3.2.3 20040818155841 for x86-glibc23-linux
18:17.19hrwgb2: bitmover.com/download/ iirc
18:17.52gb2tnx
18:18.22hrwlogin/pass you probably have in mailbox somewhere
18:19.40gb2hrw: i actually remembered that part
18:22.33hrwgb2: ;)
18:24.01gb2takepatch: 8404 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 2369 files
18:25.22pb_good grief
18:25.26pb_gb2: keep up at the back there
18:27.16gb2yeah
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18:27.32gb2i hate being too busy to poke at stuff
18:28.05kergothugh, this install of this app in wine kept hanging at 15 or 16%
18:28.06kergothcouldnt figure out why
18:28.08kergoththen i realized
18:28.14kergothi built this deiban install manually with debootstrap
18:28.22kergothi forgot to fucking add my swap partition to fstab :\
18:28.26kergoth15% was the end of my ram
18:28.27kergothhehe
18:28.41pb_kergoth: doh
18:30.13kergothi love linux.  the fact that i could run for like a week without swap and only 256mb of ram makes me happy
18:30.21kergothwindows wouldve been into swap before i finished booting
18:31.52niklashkergoth: You should use my old Amiga then. I ran it for years without swap and only 6 MB swap...
18:32.08niklash6 MB RAM, of course.
18:32.14hrwniklash: 2MiB chip + 4MiB Fast?
18:32.24niklashI wouldn't want to run OE on it, though :)
18:32.30niklashhrw: Yeah.
18:32.30hrwniklash: or linux ;)
18:32.55hrwniklash: amigaos use low resources. linux on amiga needs 8MiB fast mem
18:33.24niklashhrw: I have booted Linux on it, but it didn't feel useful enough to do anything more.
18:33.47hrwmy amiga600 had 1, then 2MiB of ram. a1200 has 2, 2+8, 2+16, 2+32, 2+48, 2+64 mem
18:33.49niklashI think maybe I nicked an 8 MB SIMM from an old 32 MB PC.
18:34.16hrws/has/had
18:35.57niklashYou must have used yours longer than me, or had a lot more money... (I was quite young and poor back then.)
18:36.13hrwniklash: amiga with 040/40 and 48MiB fastmem is even usable under linux - but without x11 on native chips
18:36.49hrwniklash: I bought a600 in 1995, in 1998 sold and bought a1200, then added 030, later 040 and in 2001 I sold a1200 and bought pc
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18:37.55niklashI thought it's possible to run X11 on the chips in an A1200. Probably not with the highest resolution.
18:41.34hrwniklash: it is but very slow
18:42.20hrwniklash: I used it to check is it possible and to run some apps on friend machine (remote x11)
18:43.05niklashhrw: That wouldn't surprise me. I remember reducing the colordepth to 16 or 32 colors in AmigaOS to increase the speed of the machine. I think the problem is that high bit depths eats memory bandwidth.
18:43.43hrwniklash: even 640x480x4bit in x11 was slow on a1200
18:44.39niklashhrw: I think I'll just leave it in the closet for now.
18:45.04hrwniklash: now it is unsellable
18:46.23niklashI think my Athlon XP 1700+ with 768 MB ram beats a 50 MHz 68020 with 10 MB.
18:46.59niklashhrw: Maybe in a 100 years, they'll have collectors value. (If you want to waste the space until then...)
18:47.38hrwniklash: if it will run and have original box.. then maybe
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18:48.04hrwhalf year ago I saw original unpacked Atari 2600 on ebay - sold for thousands..
18:48.19chouimatouch
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18:49.35niklashWho saves boxes. Also, I've cut the metal in it to be able to fit in a 3.5" harddrive, of a full gigabyte. I never even filled that drive.
18:50.20niklashI recently bought a 160 GB drive, and have almost filled it in a couple of months. (I wonder where all this space has gone.)
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18:58.47niklashI get parse errors while building gpe-package. Has anyone seen this, and know what the problem is?
19:00.42reenoo_~today
19:00.43ibotI don't know what today is, but it probably sucks.
19:01.03CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2406 10packages/xxf86dgaext/xxf86dgaext_cvs.oe: add Xxf86dgaExt
19:01.26kergoth~botsnack
19:01.26ibotkergoth: :)
19:01.34CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2407 10packages/libxxf86dga/libxxf86dga_cvs.oe: add libXxf86dga
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19:06.44hrw|afkniklash: in my amiga I had 17.4GB disk and nearly full
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19:11.02CoreDump|homemy A1200 had a 80Mb (!!) drive, and it rocked :)
19:11.50hrw|afkCoreDump|home: 2.5"?
19:12.04CoreDump|homeAFAIR yes
19:12.27CoreDump|homeoh and i had an external CD-ROM heh
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19:12.41Bernardore
19:12.46CoreDump|homegod i loved that machine
19:12.50CoreDump|homewb Bernardo
19:13.08hrw|afkhi Bernardo
19:13.19Bernardoanyone wants a adsl isp? only fails most of sunday...
19:13.27CoreDump|home:)
19:13.33niklashCoreDump|home: Must have been quite a difference from mine. I even ran it quite a while without a harddrive at all.
19:13.40hrw|afkCoreDump|home: I liked it too - but one day I wanted to add gfx card and realized that upgrading amiga costs more then new pc
19:14.02hrw|afkBernardo: my isp is good for me
19:14.12CoreDump|homehrw|afk: yes, that sucked. I wanted an A4000 soooo bad :)
19:14.25BernardoI already changed isps because the previous isp tech support sucked
19:14.46hrw|afkCoreDump|home: I planned rather a3000 + gfx + cpu board with 040
19:15.06niklashMy build problem with gpe-package seems to come from a definition of a header for strndup. This gets replaced by a lot of code by the preprocessor, which generates a parse error.
19:15.06pb_any of you c++ dudes know where "streamoff" is declared?
19:15.26CoreDump|homemy A1200 had a 030 expansion card
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19:16.31niklashQuestion is: should HAVE_STRNDUP be defined?
19:16.52pb_Yes.
19:17.24niklashpb_: Then the next question is where.
19:17.31hrw|afkCoreDump|home: I got 030/50, then 040/40
19:18.18CoreDump|homei wish i hadn't sold the machine :(
19:18.36niklashpb_: grep -r says streamoff is defined in streambuf.h.
19:18.48niklashNot that I'm a C++ dude.
19:19.05hrw|afkCoreDump|home: today a1200 is <20USD
19:19.21CoreDump|homei know :)
19:19.34CoreDump|homebut what would i do with it?
19:20.22reenoo_pb_: <ios>
19:20.43reenoo_if I interpret stroustrup correctly that is
19:20.51hrw|afkCoreDump|home: nothing rather.. for vt100 terminal it is worse then i386 box (or true vt100 terminal)
19:20.59pb_niklash, reenoo_: thanks
19:21.21CoreDump|homei'll settle w/ my laptop then heh
19:21.42niklashHAVE_STRNDUP is defined in libipkg/config.h. Seems that must be included somewhere.
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19:25.17mickey|tvhmm
19:25.25mickey|tvno gpe-image for me
19:25.29mickey|tvcan't get libgnome to build
19:25.35mickey|tvit's looking for gconftool-2
19:25.42mickey|tvwhich i don't have
19:25.48mickey|tvdo we have gconftool-native ?
19:25.55mickey|tv| checking for gconftool-2... no
19:25.56mickey|tv| configure: error: gconftool-2 executable not found in your path - should be installed with GConf
19:25.56hrw|afkhmm.. how to get "1.9.6-cvs" newer then "1.9.6-r0"...
19:26.27kergothhrw|afk: name it 1.9.6+cvs${CVSDATE} or someting
19:26.33hrw|afkwill try
19:28.07hrw|afkbtw - during week I get new user of OE - he build image for simpad
19:28.18reenoo_anomaly_: any luck with handhelds-pxa now?
19:28.58anomaly_just finished the toolchain etc, patching now
19:29.04anomaly_-p1?
19:29.47anomaly_oh nm
19:30.00anomaly_single file patch, thought it was a patch against the kernel tree
19:30.41reenoo_cd packages && patch -p0 < /path/to/patch
19:30.51anomaly_k
19:31.06reenoo_err
19:31.10reenoo_p1 rather
19:31.13reenoo_-p1
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19:31.35anomaly_Get file linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.oe from SCCS with lock? [y]
19:31.54anomaly_just assume defaults the whole way through i take it?
19:32.28kergoth?
19:34.08anomaly_nm
19:34.28anomaly_building now
19:40.39anomaly_| make[2]: *** No rule to make target `ipv6_syms.c', needed by `ipv6_syms.o'.  Stop.
19:41.46anomaly_got alot further than last time though
19:42.16emtewhy is ipv6 enabled in the kernel anyway?
19:42.34emtei think i asked before and no one awnswered ...
19:42.52joshua_pb_: any status updates on your epia-oe box?
19:43.35pb_joshua_: it's working well
19:44.03joshua_cool. did you have to do any special configuration hacks?
19:44.07pb_emte: so that you can, er, connect to ipv6 networks.
19:44.45pb_joshua_: yeah, a couple.  I need to straighten those out.
19:44.50pb_mostly lirc configuration
19:44.51joshua_cool.
19:45.05emtewasnt aware most people use ipv6 nowadys
19:45.19joshua_once I finish my partition mess so that I have sufficient disk space to build oe, I will give it a shot for my me-6000.
19:45.25pb_cool
19:45.29pb_I think me6000 is the same one I have
19:45.33kergothsspeaking of which, forgot to install freenet6
19:45.40emtelol
19:45.59kergothdebfoster is nice, trying to actually keep my debian box clean for once
19:46.03joshua_pb_: says epia-m on the board, and is fanless?
19:46.14_Psychohey vmware is cool, finnaly everything work
19:46.15pb_yeah
19:46.24hrw|afkkergoth: and deborphan, aptitude
19:46.28joshua_cool. what are you using for storage?
19:46.35pb_network
19:46.36joshua_also, what are you using as an x server?
19:46.41reenoo_anomaly_: sure you applied that patch? 'grep missing packages/linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.oe'
19:46.43kergothhrw|afk: yeah
19:46.46pb_joshua_: xserver-xorg
19:46.50joshua_ah, okay
19:46.57pb_fwiw, "oemake mythfront-image" will get you the bits I'm using
19:47.16joshua_cool.
19:47.21hrw|afkpossibility to do do_install_append() in .oe is great
19:47.25kergothhm, hanging setting up sit1
19:47.25anomaly_yes i applied the patch
19:47.37anomaly_[anomaly@dip-202-173-142-212 openembedded]$ grep missing packages/linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.oe
19:47.40anomaly_<PROTECTED>
19:47.58pb_did you oebuild clean prior to compiling?
19:48.04anomaly_yes
19:48.40_Psychohey man i didnt updated my debian for 3 months
19:48.40emteif its relevent it did the same thing last time i tried it as well
19:48.46anomaly_but when i do oebuild clean...
19:48.47emtei just manually disabled ipv6
19:48.50kergothgrr
19:48.52anomaly_$ oebuild clean handhelds-pxa
19:48.52anomaly_ERROR: InvalidTask event exception, aborting
19:49.09kergothanomaly_: oebuild takes a .oe *file*, not a package name
19:49.16kergothanomaly_: oemake -c clean handhelds-pxa if you want that
19:49.25anomaly_ta
19:49.41anomaly_i'll try it again
19:53.41pb_joshua_: as it happens, in the interests of more storage for TV programmes I just added an nslu2 (which is also supported in oe) to my network.
19:54.06pb_so, my next mission is to make that work properly.
19:57.06kergothpb_: the main thing with the nslu2 is getting the bits for its network processors in
19:57.18kergoththe licensing on it is iffy
19:57.28kergothi need to check in the bits for distribution conditional on LICENSE before we add that to oe
19:57.40kergothso the sources dont inadvertantly end up on the mirror
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19:58.29joshua_pb_: ah, slick.
19:59.20pb_kergoth: right
19:59.40pb_joshua_: yah, it's a cute piece of hardware.  just a shame it doesn't support NFS out of the box, or I'd be all set.
19:59.44kergothother than that, it works pretty well.  people are playing around with current 2.6 on it
19:59.57joshua_ooh, cool. it's an xscale. nifty
20:00.26pb_kergoth: yeah, I noticed we seem to have several nslu2 kernels in oe now
20:00.42pb_joshua_: yup, funky big-endian xscale
20:00.43kergothpb_: they have a local clone of oe and packages on nslu2-linux.bkbits.net
20:00.50joshua_did they register a real mach_type?
20:00.53kergothpb_: where they do things and then have me pull it over
20:01.12kergothjoshua_: yes, but they havent switched to it, since the current redboot passes a different #, and not all users will want to replace it
20:01.15joshua_pb_: hm. I thought xscale/* was endian-switchable?
20:01.23joshua_kergoth: *sigh*
20:01.41pb_joshua_: only in the same sense that strongarm is
20:03.10joshua_pb_: what protocol does the nslu2 talk? smb I assume?
20:03.18pb_right
20:03.30joshua_oh, well, you can just mount smbfs..
20:03.59pb_yeah, I could do, but I'd prefer to have a filesystem that didn't shred my ownerships and permissions.
20:04.05joshua_hm
20:04.31joshua_I guess you could use a loopback block device, but I think that performance would really start sucking at that point.
20:04.40pb_if I was just using it for bulk data storage, smb would be fine, but I want to be able to put /home on that machine.
20:05.32joshua_ah.
20:06.06pb_and, much though nfs sucks, it's still probably the best option for that right now.
20:06.23joshua_how's playback performance with xorg on the me6000? could just barely get a 640x480 divx out of kdrive-via+mplayer on my me6000..
20:06.31pb_works fine
20:06.42pb_I'm watching TV on my epia right now
20:06.45joshua_awesome.
20:07.38joshua_ok, speaking of epias, I'm going to go downstairs and dremel out the last couple bits  for the back panel of the case I'm building for it.
20:07.41hrw|afkpb_: so epia + monitor + keys + mouse give me quiet terminal?
20:07.45pb_sure
20:08.10reenoo_hmm... would the nslu2 be able to handle svn over webdav? (in terms of computing power)
20:08.22joshua_hrw|afk: oh yeah. it's pretty nice.
20:08.29pb_reenoo_: dunno.  do you know what the requirements are like?
20:09.02joshua_hrw|afk: add a 12v supply, a battery, and a stepdown, and you've got a few hours if the power goes out, too.
20:09.44reenoo_pb_: dunno. a friend of mine brought that question up once. probably needs apache2 plus the webdav stuff
20:10.50reenoo_hrw|afk: I'd prefer one of these for that: http://www.mini-itx.com/news/nanode/
20:11.01hrw|afkjoshua_: maybe in few months (after buying flat and some home stuff)....
20:11.57treke|homeit's an IX425 cpu
20:12.06treke|homeIXP425
20:13.59anomaly_depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /home/anomaly/openembedded/tmp/work/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37-r0/image/lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o
20:14.10anomaly_still running though
20:14.15treke|homeI think a 266mhz one
20:14.16pb_that's harmless (ish)
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20:15.25anomaly_seems to have worked then
20:15.30anomaly_packaging up the modules
20:16.44reenoo_neat
20:17.39anomaly_NOTE: package handhelds-pxa: build completed
20:17.42anomaly_thanks
20:18.12reenoo_wtf? it's 10pm
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20:33.50CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2408 10packages/snes9x/ (snes9x/private.patch snes9x_1.43-WIP1.oe): snes9x build fixes
20:40.18CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2409 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg/epia/xorg.conf: update PAL modelines
20:47.50kollahm.. what magic does cardctl do to load the modules? when I try to load the hostap or orinico modules manually, all I get is "unknown symbol" errors
20:48.22mickeylyou're using modprobe or insmod?
20:48.31kollaany, same result
20:48.58mickeylcardctl modprobes the modules in the order listed in the .conf file
20:49.10kollahm..
20:50.08kollawhich .conf file?
20:51.48mickeylall of them
20:51.53kollaok :)
20:51.57mickeyl|/etc/pcmcia/*.conf
20:53.41kergothhttp://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl?c=ACCT139057&it=A&id=527
20:53.43kergoththat is cool
20:53.55kergothbluetooth headset / mp3 player with sd slot
20:54.04emtei wish the pcmcia expansion plus paks wernt so expensive
20:54.47hrwUpgrading kapi on root from 1.9.6-r0 to 1.9.6+20041001-r0...
20:54.51hrwyeah ;)
20:55.27mickeylya, that rocks
20:55.33mickeylalthough pricey
20:55.57kergothbt headsets in general are pricey though
20:55.57kergothheh
20:57.20kollais that MSI?
20:57.21hrwhmm.. must look how my fstab looks after upgrade
20:57.24kollaI know MSI has one
20:57.33CIA-503hrw 07 * r1.2402.1.1 10packages/kdepimpi/kdepimpi_cvs.oe: kdepim/pi: updated to upstream changed library names
20:57.37hrwuf.. not touched this time
20:58.06hrwtime to go sleep
20:58.12mickeylg'night hrw
20:58.43hrwmickeyl: btw - I'm unable to build visiscript  - logs tommorow
20:58.53mickeylk
21:00.02CIA-503pb 07 * r1.2408.1.1 10packages/conf/ (epia.conf tune-c3.conf): add tune-c3.conf, and make epia.conf use it
21:05.52kollahm.. why does cardctl unload the modules when I kill it?
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21:11.06sonix`www.flight404.com
21:11.09sonix`this website is so tight
21:11.16sonix`i found it randomly in google
21:12.47emtewe have support for the pharos CF wireless card?
21:13.28emteand gps while i am askng
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21:14.43kollaI use gps with my phone :)
21:15.25sonix`why
21:15.38emteeveryone uses/has gps in thier phone
21:15.50emtethat is how they trace them
21:16.03CoreDump|homelol
21:16.21emtepart of the anti-terrorism movement
21:17.22emtei am hoping then that the lynksys CF wireless is supported
21:18.02emtei'd really like a pcmcia pack but its $80 more then a CF one
21:18.03anomaly_most prism based cf cards work fine with hostap drivers
21:18.29anomaly_dunno about other cf chipsets
21:18.33emtewould it say if it were prism based?
21:18.50anomaly_dunno
21:19.32CIA-503CoreDump 07 * r1.2407.1.1 10packages/vera-fonts/ (4 files): Add bitstream-vera-sans-mono 50 and 75 fonts
21:19.32anomaly_sure you'd find the chipset for your model on google somewhere
21:19.32emteis there a list of known prism cards somewhere>
21:19.51Bernardomickeyl: any luck with the simpad?
21:19.58mickeylno
21:20.05anomaly_i haven't heard of any non-prism cf cards yet
21:20.07Bernardoemte: yes, there is Jean Tourillhes page, let me check
21:20.12mickeyli'm waiting for zecke to come back from holiday
21:20.19kollawhat I meant was that I have a bluetooth gps that I use with my phone
21:20.23mickeylhe is most familiar with recent simpad stuff
21:20.40kollait draws nice maps of where I am going :)
21:20.47CIA-503reenoo 07 * r1.2388.1.1 10packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): handhelds-pxa, handhelds-sa: define CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=m instead of CONFIG_IPV6_IPV6_TUNNEL=m in defconfigs; see http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/232/23263.html for details
21:21.26kollaheh.. ipv6 is on topic now? :)
21:21.29kollanice :)
21:22.06CIA-503mickeyl 07 * r1.2407.2.1 10packages/qscintilla/qscintilla_1.60-gpl-1.3.oe: fix qscintilla (hence visicript)
21:24.58emtehmm maybe i'll have to email pharos
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21:31.49reenoo_kolla: that simply happens to be the place where I found the patch in question
21:32.38emtewell we will see if they respond
21:32.40df00zis there a variable that points to the kernel include dir?
21:35.33emte?
21:35.50kergothdf00z: read oe.conf.
21:36.04emteor the Makefile in the kernel dir
21:36.19pb_the Makefile wouldn't help him here.
21:36.40Luke-JrIs anyone working on porting kismet to OE?
21:37.14kollaporting? isnt it just a matter of compiling?
21:38.24Luke-Jradding a .oe
21:38.26df00zmmk
21:38.34Luke-Jrone that works w/ OE's build system
21:40.20emteLuke-Jr: why dont you add the oe?
21:41.10emtei am sure df00z would be happy to tell you what a basic oe looks liek
21:41.14emtelike*
21:42.02Luke-JrI can tell what they look like
21:43.10mickeylprobably noone finds kismet interesting enough to add an .oe for it
21:43.12emteso whats the story morning-glory?
21:43.35emtei am guessing kismet is a kde app myself
21:43.45Luke-Jrno
21:43.50Luke-JrWireless sniffer
21:43.50emtewhatever it is i dont use it
21:44.16emteah
21:44.26emtethere are a few wireless sniffing tools
21:44.33Luke-Jroh?
21:46.50mickeylthe gpe folks have their prismstumbler and the opie folks use wellenreiter II
21:47.12emteyeah i was just gonna say that
21:47.20emtehad to grab my espresso first
21:47.33emtebut if he wants a website to read
21:47.36emtehttp://www.remote-exploit.org/?page=wellenreiter
21:48.11mickeylactually more like www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html
21:48.20emteyeah that too
21:48.44emtekinda looks like its written by you :P
21:48.51mickeylmight be ;)
21:49.43emteyou souldnta said that ... now if i get picogui to behave i might ask for it ...
21:49.45emte:P
21:50.03Luke-Jrmickeyl: no console stuff?
21:50.20mickeylLuke-Jr: no
21:50.29emtepda arnt exactly console friendly
21:50.43Luke-Jrmine is...
21:50.53Luke-Jrmoreso than GUI
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21:51.08emteyour touchscreen broke?
21:51.18Luke-Jrno
21:51.26Luke-Jrbut Konqueror doesn't support cookies
21:51.28Luke-Jrand Links does
21:51.41emteuse dillo
21:52.24Luke-Jrwellenreiter isn't in oe either
21:52.41Luke-Jrdillo is GPEish, it seems
21:52.52Luke-JrGPE image is broken on C760
21:53.14emtedillo requires gtk i belive yes but not full gpe
21:53.26Luke-JrGTK doesn't work w/ Opie last I checked
21:53.41CoreDump|homeLuke-Jr: +mhentges@chroot01:~/OpenEmbedded/packages >lgrep well
21:53.41CoreDump|homeopie-wellenreiter
21:54.03Luke-Jroops... missed a * in my ls
21:54.21emtewell i suppose if you have room you could allways use mozilla
21:54.22Luke-JrBut then the problem is that libopie2 fails to compile a lot
21:54.34Luke-JrMozilla is no more Opie-friendly
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21:55.01emtelol, you could fix that you know
21:55.10Luke-JrNo I can't
21:55.33Luke-Jrfixing X on C760 is beyond me (at least, taking time into consideration)
21:55.36emteyou dont have a system to crosscompile oe on?
21:56.04Luke-JrI do
21:56.12Luke-JrHowever:
21:56.15emteso waiting for someone else to fix it is faster?>
21:56.34Luke-Jryes, since I lack the time to research what is wrong and how to fix it
21:56.46Luke-Jrand 2. apparently my 1 GB of RAM is too little for OE to work sanely
21:56.57emteis anyone else working on/with a C7xx ?
21:57.28mickeyli'm not much interested in gpe, but i'm currently running a build for shepherd to look at its status on that device
21:57.50CoreDump|homeLuke-Jr: 1GB RAM works for me
21:58.38Luke-JrUsing ~2.5 GB RAM total (incl swap)
21:58.49emteMem:   772128k av     works fine for me
21:59.10emtewait
21:59.20emteyou have 1gb ram and 1.5 gb swap?
21:59.23Luke-JrX alone is using 94 MB of RAM on my box
21:59.29Luke-JrI have 1 GB RAM and 4 GB swap
21:59.33Luke-Jr1.5 GB swap is used
21:59.45CoreDump|homeheh i'm running on 250Mb of swap
21:59.50emteyou know what happens if you overbuffer?
22:00.04Luke-Jroverbuffer??
22:00.31emtebasicly your writting more into swap then you can hold in your ram
22:00.45emteyour swap is slower tehn your ram
22:00.56Luke-JrLast I checked, that was the purpose of swap
22:01.14emteyour systme starts slowing down when it overcaches instructions
22:01.17emtesystem*
22:01.37Luke-Jrso how do I fix that?
22:01.52kergothi've never had problems running builds on boxes with 512mb of ram
22:01.54emteresize your swap to equal or less then your ram
22:01.58kergothand what, 1 gig of swap i think it is
22:02.15Luke-Jremte: Then my apps will start being killed since I won't have enough RAM for them
22:02.35kergothwhat the hell do you run that uses that kind of ram?
22:02.36emteyou running oracle?
22:02.41Luke-JrX, KDE
22:02.46kergothi ran this box with 256mb of ram and no swap for like a week with no problems
22:02.50Luke-Jrtimes 4
22:02.56emtex and kde will run on 24mb ram
22:03.06Luke-JrX uses ~100 MB RAM here alone
22:03.11emteslow but possible
22:03.14CoreDump|homeLuke-Jr: i don't know what else you are running on that box, but i seldom hit swap w/ 1GB RAM
22:03.14Luke-Jrfor a single instance
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22:03.33Luke-Jrmy top RAM usage ATM:
22:03.40Luke-Jr1. 61% of RAM -- python/OE
22:03.49Luke-Jr(612 MB res)
22:04.03emteoracle and maybe vmware are the onlythings i can thinkof with that high of a memory req
22:04.10Luke-Jr2. 33 MB res (it dropped?) -- X
22:04.29Luke-Jr3. 91 MB res -- xchat-2
22:04.40Luke-Jrerr... xchat is 22
22:04.49Luke-Jr4. 19 MB res -- kontact * 2
22:06.23Luke-JrAnyway.. wellenreiter should do WEP-cracking? o.o
22:06.42vegiestuHi. I've been looking at "79: Zaurus loses symlinks to libraries installed on SD on reboot" on the bug tracker. Has the problem come up on this channel?
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22:07.29emteLuke-Jr: wouldnt that mean OE advocates illegal activities?
22:07.46kergothoe is a build tool. perhaps you're thinking of OZ
22:07.47joshua_wep crackinig in and of itself is not illegal
22:07.48Luke-Jremte: WEP cracking isn't illegal
22:08.26joshua_hmm
22:08.33emtesince when has network intrusion been legal?
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22:08.46mickeylno, wellenreiter does not do wep cracking
22:08.50mickeyland i might add, will never do.
22:08.56joshua_I should create a .oe for distcc-image...
22:09.17joshua_emte: network intrusion is illegal.. wep cracking is not network intrusion though. until you transmit a packet with the sniffed wep key, you are OK
22:10.00emteso digital possesion doesnt apply to keys?
22:10.26emtepossesion isnt intrusion tho your right
22:10.27Luke-Jrwtc is digital possession?
22:10.40emtepossesion of goods
22:11.08emteif you stole them or not still makes you chargable
22:11.11Luke-Jrcopying a key doesn't cause the original key-maker to stop possessing it
22:11.15Luke-Jryou can't steal information
22:11.22emteno?
22:11.35vegiestuKergoth - The bug was posted on bugs.openembedded.org. Tried adding a comment on how to fix the problem bug got "permission denied".
22:11.41emtethen why do licenses exist?
22:12.12Luke-JrIn most cases, to allow companies to practice unfair monopolistic power on consumers
22:12.26reenoo_emte, Luke-Jr: would you guys mind moving that discussion to #wardriving-ethics or something?
22:12.27Luke-JrIn others, to protect the rights of users to modify and share it
22:12.56kergothvegiestu: hm, i'll check, can give guest access to comment
22:12.59emtehey theres reenoo_  was your patch to fix the ipv6 compile error?
22:13.12emtefor the pxa
22:13.28vegiestuKergoth - that'd be great. Thanks!
22:13.32gerwinThe problem persists : in config.log I find confdefs.h. configure failed program was :
22:13.52gerwinSomebody who can help me ?
22:14.04reenoo_emte: read what I posted on the list
22:14.13emtethere is a list?
22:14.19emtecan i have a url
22:15.46reenoo_hh.org -> mailing lists
22:16.22emteurg ...
22:16.32emtenm i'll hope you did
22:16.44emtei get enough email without more mailing lists
22:19.11Twiundoing bootstrap-image... in the middle of gettext-native
22:21.07TwiunI just need a base image ;)
22:21.13Twiunno GUI required
22:24.18Bernardo|zzzzz'night
22:24.29reenoo_emte: basically oebuild clean /path/to/handhelds-pxa.oe, rm /path/to/sources/<handhelds-kernel-tarball+md5sum>, bk pull
22:24.35reenoo_'night Bernardo|zzzzz
22:25.05reenoo_anyways
22:25.11reenoo_I'm off to bed. 'night all
22:25.52Twiung'night
22:32.52gerwinn8 all
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23:25.07emtewe need a locatejunk app
23:25.31emtewhere it magically locates anything inyour house for you
23:27.12emtealthough it would probably always reply "in a box" for me and it would be right ...
23:30.02emtewell i found my usb-media reader ... doesnt work too well as a protoboard tho
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23:45.25evanchsa_What environment variables must I have set so that I don't see: ImportError: No module named oe
23:47.05emteyou need to source your enviroment file
23:48.27evanchsa_emte, Thanks, yes I know that. Which environment variables control where oemake looks for additional Python includes
23:49.08evanchsa_emte, Even in the $OESYS/bin dir, I  can't execute oemake without that error and the oe module is in the current dir.
23:49.44emtei take it you skipped the part about oe-env ?
23:51.33emtehttp://www.openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/GettingStartedEnvironmentScript
23:52.12evanchsa_emte, Yes, I've used that. Its not good at all.
23:52.32emtehow did you use that?
23:53.13emtegenerally most people edit it then:  source oe-env
23:53.30emtewhich if it works places you in your build directory
23:54.14emteif it doesnt work then none of oemake will work eitehr
23:55.08emtedamnit where is that board
23:55.17evanchsa_emte, I can execute oemake and the rest of the stuff from anywhere on the system and I removed the cd $OEBUILD line because that's annoying.
23:55.37evanchsa_emte, but I have OEROOT, OESYS, PKGDIR OEBUILD all set correctly
23:57.33emteand now it wont source your local.conf because your not in the corect directory
23:57.34gerwin:(
23:57.43gerwinI keep on having this compiler erro
23:57.44gerwinr
23:58.07gerwinchecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
23:58.07gerwin| See `config.log' for more details.
23:58.07gerwin| FATAL: oe_runconf failed
23:58.07gerwinNOTE: Task failed:
23:58.07gerwinERROR: package base-passwd-3.5.7-r1: task do_configure failed
23:58.08gerwinERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
23:58.14emtewhere ever your trying to do everything from your going to have to move build/conf to where your working
23:58.40gerwinDoes somebody know how to solve this ?
23:59.07emteyes, but i am not sure you want the only way i know how to fix it
23:59.31gerwinemte how should if fix it ?
23:59.54df00zArg.
23:59.54emteyour host gcc has been compiled to diable user-compiled exicutables

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