00:03.10 | treke | kergoth: I'm amazed |
00:03.17 | treke | someone finally ran into softfloat abi problems |
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00:03.50 | sugar | boot |
00:07.58 | ag0ny | kergoth: oh ok. sorry |
00:08.40 | kergoth | ag0ny: as the topic of this channel states, this is for oe, and is not a distribution support channel. #openzaurus would be more appropriate |
00:08.54 | ag0ny | sure |
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00:09.22 | treke | kergoth: apparently what happens when mixing soft-float and float emulation is that floating point math just does random shit |
00:09.35 | treke | instead of failing to run |
00:10.16 | kergoth | fun |
00:10.28 | keenan | because of wrong endianness or what? |
00:15.11 | kergoth | endianness doesnt have anything to do with this |
00:15.12 | kergoth | heh |
00:16.32 | keenan | uh-oh |
00:16.36 | keenan | just had a kernel oops |
00:16.46 | keenan | on openzaurus gpe |
01:02.48 | kergoth | ouch |
01:06.08 | chouimat | kergoth bad |
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01:15.38 | CIA-6 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2384 10packages/opie-dagger/ (opie-dagger_1.1.6.oe opie-dagger_cvs.oe): fix opie-dagger |
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02:06.44 | emte | NOTE: package picogui-tools: build completed |
02:06.44 | emte | NOTE: build 200410021909 completed |
02:06.44 | emte | Build statistics: |
02:06.44 | emte | <PROTECTED> |
02:06.47 | emte | woo woo |
02:07.09 | emte | i think i'll go watch shaun of the dead with my gf to celebrate |
02:21.42 | CIA-6 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2387 10packages/ubahnnav/ (ubahnnav_0.3.1.oe ubahnnav/qmake.patch): (really) fix ubahnnav |
02:21.42 | CIA-6 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2386 10packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): next attempt to fix PyQt which was broken since sip4 |
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02:53.00 | kergoth | heh |
02:53.04 | enginuitor | whoops |
02:53.15 | enginuitor | wow, that went rather wrong |
02:53.48 | kergoth | heh |
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03:17.06 | ljp | too nice outside to be insode |
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03:25.59 | mithro | anyone here know much about softfloat? |
03:26.27 | kergoth | pb_ does, i'm sure |
03:26.43 | mithro | ibot seen pb_ |
03:26.43 | ibot | pb_ <~pb@cpc2-cmbg6-5-0-cust48.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 8h 21m 12s ago, saying: 'Makefile is generated from Makefile.in by configure, and Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.am by automake (as kergoth said).'. |
03:26.44 | mithro | ibot seen pb |
03:26.45 | ibot | pb <~pb@dsl-082-082-128-195.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 222d 5h 47m 36s ago, saying: 'streuner__can you help me with my printer?'. |
03:27.00 | mithro | kergoth: so what have you been up to? |
03:27.14 | kergoth | been on unpaid medical leave from work for depression |
03:27.19 | kergoth | so have been really bored quite a bit |
03:27.35 | kergoth | visited family in minnesota for a while |
03:27.36 | kergoth | heh |
03:31.04 | mithro | both unpaid medical leave and depression both kinda suck :/ |
03:32.36 | kergoth | yep, and sitting at home not working doesnt exactly help the latter |
03:32.37 | kergoth | heh |
03:32.39 | kergoth | ah well |
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03:36.06 | mithro | wb kergoth_ |
03:36.53 | kergoth | thanks, fixing up my irc proxy |
03:38.22 | mithro | work on mplayer/vlc in OE, work on thousand parsec, do uni work or play computer games |
03:38.34 | kergoth | ~unproductivity |
03:38.35 | ibot | yay! |
03:40.36 | mithro | ljp: you enjoying australia? |
04:07.34 | treke|laptop | working saturdays sucks |
04:07.42 | treke|laptop | it killed my will to do anything useful |
04:07.46 | kergoth | goddamnit debian |
04:07.53 | kergoth | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
04:07.53 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
04:07.53 | kergoth | E: Broken packages |
04:07.55 | kergoth | heh |
04:08.36 | treke|laptop | phone company should be done testing in an hour |
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04:13.24 | treke|laptop | wonder where my zaurus is now |
04:18.33 | mithro | hey treke |
04:18.39 | treke|laptop | hey |
04:21.54 | ljp | mithro: this summer is going to be great with a pool in my backyard :) |
04:22.11 | treke|laptop | ljp: you suck |
04:22.28 | mithro | ljp: do you like heat? |
04:22.35 | kergoth | i agree |
04:22.37 | kergoth | ljp: you suck |
04:26.55 | mithro | you can all laugh at him when he is complaining it's 40C outside with 70%->100% Humidity :) |
04:27.41 | treke|laptop | hehe |
04:27.57 | mithro | and when the power goes out because of everyone running their airconditioners you can laugh more ;) |
04:30.24 | ljp | ya, I will be laughing from the table thats in the shallow end of the salt water pool |
04:30.44 | treke|laptop | silly aussies |
04:30.53 | treke|laptop | you and your poisoness insects |
04:30.54 | treke|laptop | and sheep |
04:31.19 | Pendalar | what's the point of a pool when you are in a small country surrounded by water? |
04:31.29 | ljp | small.. heh |
04:31.41 | Pendalar | well =-/ all things considered, yeah |
04:31.47 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: all of the natural bodies of water are filled with things to kill you |
04:31.48 | Pendalar | it's not an attack on your manhood or anything |
04:32.02 | Pendalar | treke|laptop: so? it's just aussies ^_^ |
04:32.03 | ljp | australia is about the same size as the US |
04:32.05 | Pendalar | j/k |
04:32.09 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: good point |
04:32.10 | ljp | not counting alaska |
04:32.23 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: They got the criminals, we got the conservative christians. |
04:32.26 | Pendalar | looks much smaller on maps =-p |
04:32.38 | treke|laptop | ljp: including alaska? :p |
04:32.45 | Pendalar | yeah, save the baptists *rolls eyes* |
04:33.33 | Pendalar | but then too most of the "white" migration to the US initially were criminals as well |
04:33.41 | Pendalar | especially Georgia, which explains much |
04:34.13 | treke|laptop | I want to go to australia one day. maybe meet some of the family who moved out there |
04:34.16 | treke|laptop | if they are still alive |
04:34.34 | ljp | probably got eatten by dropbears |
04:35.04 | Pendalar | heh, yeah it must be horrid with all the jackalopes and weird TV show personalities |
04:35.24 | treke|laptop | ljp: most of them are probably dead from old age :p |
04:35.49 | ljp | its sad. these people get their knowledge of US culture from jerry springer |
04:35.55 | kergoth | hah |
04:35.57 | kergoth | thats not good |
04:36.09 | Pendalar | no, the Animal Channel.. |
04:36.21 | Luke-Jr | ... |
04:36.40 | Pendalar | ;-) or just generally like making fun of Aussies and the French |
04:36.45 | Luke-Jr | yay for off topic =p |
04:36.45 | treke|laptop | US culture? |
04:37.01 | treke|laptop | when did we get any? |
04:37.18 | kergoth | we're off topic as often or more often as not |
04:37.18 | Pendalar | I think it's inbred |
04:37.30 | Luke-Jr | =p |
04:37.50 | treke|laptop | off topic here differs from most channel |
04:38.06 | kergoth | i dont mind random discussion, i only mind off topic stuff for which there really is another place it should be |
04:38.07 | Pendalar | offtopic is sadly more productive most days as well |
04:38.14 | treke|laptop | we don't have a fixed set of topics that are on topic, with everything else being off topic |
04:38.15 | kergoth | like opie, zaurus, whatever |
04:38.24 | treke|laptop | we have a fixed set of off topic subjects :p |
04:38.30 | kergoth | yeah |
04:38.53 | Pendalar | we also have some things we just simply would like to not talk about, ie bodily functions and strange rashes |
04:39.05 | Pendalar | but if we're bored enough.. maybe |
04:39.08 | treke|laptop | I have this weird mole on my right ball |
04:39.36 | Pendalar | it's the center one I'd worry about |
04:39.36 | Luke-Jr | would talking about my wifi card and how it crashes an OE-based OZ be on-topic, then? =p |
04:39.44 | treke|laptop | no |
04:39.57 | Pendalar | it'd be offtopic the offtopic.. which might cause people to freak out |
04:40.14 | treke|laptop | unless it also include a discussion on your part on how to fix the .oe so that it no longer happens |
04:40.48 | Pendalar | or how you'd love to donate money to the devs so that they could set up time for your specific issue |
04:40.49 | Pendalar | ;-) |
04:40.50 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: that would be an oz support question, and therefore would belong in #openzaurus |
04:41.14 | treke|laptop | speaking of donations |
04:41.19 | treke|laptop | kergoth: did your 6000 arrive? |
04:41.44 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: yea, but talking there is even less common |
04:41.53 | treke|laptop | ouch |
04:41.58 | treke|laptop | bad move #1 |
04:42.03 | kergoth | i've said it before, i'll say it again |
04:42.12 | Luke-Jr | treke: and I doubt it's a .oe bug |
04:42.13 | kergoth | the appropriate channel being idle does NOT make it on topic here. |
04:43.05 | treke|laptop | darn my zaurus isn't in the usps tracking system yet |
04:43.06 | Luke-Jr | that's why I asked if phrasing it to sound OE-related would make it on-topic |
04:43.07 | treke|laptop | very odd |
04:43.20 | Luke-Jr | if #openzaurus being idle was enough, I wouldn't have tried to find another way to topicize it |
04:43.22 | treke|laptop | no that just gets you yelled at louder |
04:43.27 | kergoth | exactly |
04:44.18 | joshua_ | hmmm |
04:44.18 | treke|laptop | You'd think the package would be trackable since it was issued at the counter at the post office |
04:44.24 | joshua_ | anyone know if pb_'s had success with oe'ing his epia? |
04:44.47 | treke|laptop | what is an epia again? |
04:44.52 | joshua_ | mini-itx.. teeny mainboard |
04:44.55 | treke|laptop | ah |
04:45.15 | Luke-Jr | BTW, a problem I encountered attempting to oe-ise TiMidity++... it builds a binary and attempts to execute it during make :/ |
04:45.15 | radiojoe | you know what I think is funny is when the conversation goes anywhere from australia being small to american migration no one cares |
04:45.22 | radiojoe | but bring up OZ and you will die |
04:45.27 | joshua_ | radiojoe: hush |
04:45.43 | joshua_ | Luke-Jr: ah. |
04:45.49 | joshua_ | does it use the binary as a conftest or to generate stuff? |
04:45.54 | treke|laptop | radiojoe: it's simple |
04:45.56 | Pendalar | even techs get PDA topic burnout |
04:45.59 | Luke-Jr | to generate stuff, I think |
04:46.07 | treke|laptop | radiojoe: the topic doesn't say you shouldnt ask about australia |
04:46.22 | treke|laptop | radiojoe: but it does say you should ask distribution support questions |
04:46.31 | joshua_ | shouldn't |
04:46.44 | Pendalar | I just ask about aussie to see if they will eventually stop playing with big lizards and what not |
04:50.35 | ljp | I'll make it on topic. embedded devices work better in the southern hemispehere |
04:50.56 | Luke-Jr | ljp: in the summer or the winter? |
04:51.03 | Pendalar | I'm busy finishing my box monitering script |
04:51.11 | Pendalar | can't get the SMS part to play nice |
04:51.18 | treke|laptop | more people need to use the buy it now feature |
04:51.22 | Pendalar | or the admin's cell phone is gay.. *Shrug* |
04:51.29 | treke|laptop | I hate having to wait for a few days to see if I win |
04:51.54 | Pendalar | heh I bought a cisco IP phone off ebay and the freak didn't include an AC adapter |
04:52.01 | Pendalar | so it's been gathering dust for 6 months |
04:52.02 | treke|laptop | not his fault |
04:52.05 | treke|laptop | they don't come with them |
04:52.12 | Pendalar | his "ad" said it did |
04:52.16 | treke|laptop | oh |
04:52.23 | treke|laptop | well the phones don't when you buy them new :p |
04:52.37 | Pendalar | bastard =-/ so now I'm looking at buying an AC adapter that costs the same or more than the phone itself |
04:52.41 | Luke-Jr | maybe someone should make a wireless charger (j/k) |
04:52.42 | treke|laptop | nah |
04:52.47 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: it's about 40 bucks |
04:52.55 | Pendalar | yeah, I paid $20 for the phone |
04:52.59 | treke|laptop | oh :p |
04:53.05 | treke|laptop | mine was new and a bit more expensive :p |
04:53.18 | Pendalar | exactly.. I *hate* the idea of paying more for the AC adapter than the rest of the unit |
04:53.38 | treke|laptop | I still haven't made it do anything |
04:53.44 | treke|laptop | so it sits on my desk unsued |
04:54.01 | treke|laptop | along with another unused phone |
04:54.24 | Pendalar | I've got that spinny script or whatever to talk with some of my friends in europe whenever I break down and buy one |
04:54.45 | treke|laptop | one of these days I'll get around to converting it to sip |
04:55.03 | treke|laptop | just requires spending a day fucking with tftp and getting a copy of the software |
04:55.15 | Pendalar | I'm not quite that bored, and it's older |
04:55.29 | Pendalar | Cisco 12 SP+ something |
04:55.38 | treke|laptop | this is one of the 7600s |
04:56.03 | treke|laptop | er 7900 |
04:56.08 | Pendalar | do those still use the spinny script or something else? |
04:56.21 | treke|laptop | not sure what it is |
04:56.34 | treke|laptop | I'm guessing it's related to the "skinny" protocol that cisco uses by default |
04:56.51 | Pendalar | skinny.. whichever ;-) it's been 6 months |
04:56.53 | emte | transformers arnt cheap ... i dont thin any type of power supply/adapter has dropped in price in the last 5 years |
04:57.05 | emte | think* |
04:57.08 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: by default it does |
04:57.15 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: I can reflash it with SIP firmware |
04:57.23 | treke|laptop | Pendalar: Which i do plan to do eventually |
04:57.28 | Pendalar | emte: no but you get me on how sad it is to pay more for an adapter than the unit |
04:57.38 | Pendalar | I doubt mine has such neat firmware stuffs |
04:57.40 | ljp | i think gcc works better in the winter, but ld works better in the summer |
04:58.11 | emte | yeah i am aware |
04:58.12 | Pendalar | printers suck, I use colored pencils |
04:58.26 | treke|laptop | next week I have the fun of trying to submit reimbursment requests for all of my ebay purchases :p |
04:58.29 | emte | it only costs ~ $5-$20 to make a cellphone |
04:58.41 | emte | hardware wise |
04:58.46 | Pendalar | heh make a cellphone.. that would be something fun to do |
04:59.04 | emte | yes/no |
04:59.14 | Pendalar | then make a sat. and launch it into space ala Jimmy Neutron movie |
04:59.18 | emte | its expensive to get them certified |
04:59.24 | Pendalar | call myself Bond Jr and be a badass |
04:59.39 | Pendalar | er.. what were you saying? ;-) |
05:00.11 | emte | the broadcast frequency and radiation restrictions are pretty extreme |
05:00.59 | emte | out of all communications its the area with tightest regulations |
05:01.28 | Pendalar | opensource frequencies, penguins rule the air waves |
05:01.41 | emte | the military would have quite a bit to say about that |
05:01.57 | Pendalar | but but.. we're white had |
05:01.58 | Pendalar | hat |
05:02.15 | emte | so are they ... even when they shoot you |
05:02.24 | Pendalar | we would use it to benefit mankind and other such warm fluffy feelings |
05:02.34 | Pendalar | never to use pirate windows copies though |
05:02.37 | Pendalar | nooo |
05:02.54 | emte | patch test time |
05:02.56 | Pendalar | you know.. enough slashdot can warp a fellow |
05:03.10 | kergoth | heh |
05:03.24 | Pendalar | how do you live? |
05:03.31 | emte | slashdot is pretty much useless |
05:03.39 | kergoth | i live pretty well, with less trolls |
05:03.47 | Pendalar | it's mindnumbing goodness |
05:03.54 | emte | even more so then some of my jumbled up thoughts |
05:04.05 | Pendalar | I want a volatile hyperlinkage Tshirt |
05:04.08 | treke|laptop | kergoth: isn't that about the amount of time you've been depressed and unmotivated? |
05:04.12 | kergoth | hah |
05:04.15 | treke|laptop | kergoth: Perhaps not as well as you think |
05:04.20 | kergoth | no, i've been depressed alot longer than that |
05:04.58 | Pendalar | lack of scotch will do that to you |
05:05.02 | emte | wonder who i can recruit as guinea pigs ... |
05:05.09 | treke|laptop | indeed |
05:05.21 | kergoth | heh |
05:05.28 | Pendalar | I've got to guinea pigs, named bob and wendy.. however wendy is a guy, and bob doesn't mind |
05:05.28 | kergoth | my welbutrin says to keep the alcohol consumption down |
05:05.34 | Pendalar | two rather *sigh* |
05:05.35 | treke|laptop | kergoth: down? |
05:05.36 | kergoth | there's a risk of seizures when you come down from teh alcohol |
05:05.43 | treke|laptop | kergoth: so a bottle a night? |
05:05.58 | emte | Pendalar: you have gay guinea pigs? |
05:06.23 | Pendalar | just one, in theory |
05:06.41 | emte | in practice wouldnt it be two? |
05:06.44 | Pendalar | or it's just trying to be the alpha pig.. something |
05:06.51 | Pendalar | no "wendy" doesn't have much say in it |
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05:08.19 | joshua_ | hrm.. wellbutrin always really screwed with me. made me *very* volatile and *very* sleepy. zoloft on the other hand works wonders |
05:08.24 | treke|laptop | That is getting awfully close to too much information |
05:08.44 | Pendalar | to which conversation? they both have issues |
05:09.06 | treke|laptop | the gay guinea pigs |
05:09.12 | kergoth | interesting. welbutrin works really well for me. i stopped sleeping too much, lethargy is gone, and feel balanced |
05:09.27 | kergoth | been waking up on my own, without an alarm, with 7-8 hours of sleep |
05:09.32 | kergoth | which is just cool |
05:09.33 | kergoth | heh |
05:09.55 | treke|laptop | I wake up without an alarm with 7-8 hours of sleep |
05:09.59 | joshua_ | really... I prefer ot get lots of sleep, although that could be related to my age as opposed to my mental status. |
05:10.06 | treke|laptop | the only problem is, that's usually 9am |
05:10.13 | kergoth | joshua_: yeah, could be |
05:10.43 | joshua_ | you know, I guess if I got 7-8 hours of sleep regularly, that might make a difference. but right now it's been something like three, four, three, four, five, 15, 15, repeat |
05:10.46 | treke|laptop | the best part of sleep is falling to sleep |
05:10.48 | Pendalar | I sleep like 10-11 hours, and still am tired.. despite working out, eating right, vitamins, etc |
05:11.03 | treke|laptop | too bad I don't get to do that as much any more |
05:11.10 | kergoth | Pendalar: well, you *can* get too much sleep, too |
05:11.16 | kergoth | if i get more than 8 hours, i'm as tired as if i got 4 |
05:11.24 | joshua_ | heh. |
05:11.25 | Pendalar | haven't figured it out, but it sucks because I can work an 8 hour day and have no time for anything else but sleep |
05:11.35 | Pendalar | when I should have 8 hours somewhere =-/ |
05:12.04 | Pendalar | that's probably it, but mentally reasoning "hmm I'm still sleepy, maybe I should sleep less" doesn't pan out |
05:13.23 | Pendalar | Error in Execute : Substitution name not found in params : RTFormAction-2 (error in the script ? Contact the author of the script) |
05:13.28 | Pendalar | quah...? |
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05:18.06 | Pendalar | bah @ netsplits |
05:18.08 | kergoth | heh |
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05:18.36 | joshua_ | rehubbing. rehubbing. |
05:18.41 | joshua_ | sploosh. |
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05:20.09 | emte | one last mod and it should be good |
05:20.34 | emte | then i'll have to try and build an image with it |
05:21.40 | Pendalar | emte: everytime you start mod'ing code, servers split |
05:21.42 | Pendalar | please quit |
05:21.49 | emte | lol |
05:22.03 | emte | i havent done work with an ircd for well over a year |
05:22.05 | Pendalar | dunno how you manage to f'k up other networks but I guess you are just that good =-s |
05:22.41 | emte | hmm :( |
05:22.50 | emte | tar: Skipping to next header |
05:22.51 | emte | tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers |
05:22.51 | emte | bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing. |
05:22.59 | emte | thats a nice one |
05:23.24 | emte | lets try again ... |
05:24.08 | Pendalar | I make it a game some days to see as many different errors as possible |
05:24.19 | Pendalar | because in the end, you don't get neat messages when you get it right |
05:24.53 | emte | lol |
05:25.08 | kergoth | and damnit, getting neat messages is whats important |
05:25.30 | emte | lol |
05:25.40 | Pendalar | exactly |
05:25.48 | emte | inst it e16 taht checks your fridge for ales? |
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05:32.26 | df00z | hey. Can QPE-gaim be added to oe? |
05:32.43 | emte | if you add it |
05:32.49 | treke|home | no |
05:32.51 | treke|home | it can't |
05:33.17 | df00z | It doesnt look to be open source actually hm |
05:33.31 | emte | why dont you work on porting opengaim? |
05:34.24 | df00z | hrm. |
05:34.25 | kergoth | why would you care about opengaim? |
05:34.34 | treke|home | seems like time would be better spent working on qpe-gaim |
05:34.54 | df00z | I thought QPE-gaim cant be added? |
05:35.01 | treke|home | it can't at the moment |
05:35.10 | df00z | How come? |
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05:35.14 | kergoth | just need to wait for the libgaim work to be redone agains gaim 1.0 |
05:35.15 | df00z | Just because the source isnt there? |
05:35.19 | treke|home | because there isn't enough source to add |
05:35.34 | treke|home | if you spent the time adapting it to work with the current gaim tree you could add it. |
05:36.24 | df00z | Hm. |
05:36.49 | kergoth | df00z: using the old gaim tree wouldnt be viable. half the protocols wouldnt even work now |
05:36.52 | kergoth | heh |
05:37.02 | treke|home | hehe |
05:37.18 | df00z | odd..i can install QPE-gaim |
05:37.23 | df00z | and aim/icq work |
05:37.25 | df00z | and irc |
05:37.30 | df00z | i dont think yahoo or msn does |
05:37.44 | kergoth | sounds about right |
05:37.44 | treke|home | that's because neither oscar or irc have changed much |
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05:38.14 | df00z | Hmm, well they keep taling about a core/ui split, is that done? |
05:38.23 | treke|home | doubtful |
05:38.27 | df00z | Ah. |
05:38.37 | kergoth | was done, but dont believe it ever went into cvs |
05:38.42 | kergoth | so has to be done again |
05:38.45 | kergoth | (afaik) |
05:38.51 | treke|home | it's the type of thing that will probably never be done |
05:39.00 | emte | isnt that what opengaim is for? |
05:39.06 | treke|home | might get real close, but probably not done |
05:39.22 | df00z | Hm |
05:39.24 | kergoth | afaik opengaim is a worthless fork. |
05:39.26 | df00z | theres no GTK2 for Opie |
05:39.29 | df00z | is there? |
05:39.37 | treke|home | I think opengaim's purpose is "the maintainers don't like our patches so we will fork" |
05:39.45 | emte | thought it was just a core library project |
05:39.47 | emte | ah |
05:39.50 | emte | that could be |
05:39.56 | kergoth | yep, thats the impression i got |
05:40.03 | treke|home | which is why their last release was 6 months ago |
05:40.29 | df00z | hah, what about kopete |
05:40.42 | kergoth | heh |
05:40.42 | treke|home | about the same time as their last cvs commit |
05:40.48 | kergoth | centericq! bitlbee! |
05:40.50 | treke|home | df00z: feel free to port kopete |
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05:41.14 | treke|home | probably on to a loser, but you can try |
05:41.15 | emte | centericq is your friend |
05:41.17 | kergoth | bitlbee is damn cool |
05:41.28 | kergoth | being able to /msg someone on aim is just nifty |
05:41.34 | emte | lol |
05:41.45 | kergoth | whats really annoying though |
05:41.53 | kergoth | is when you're connected to it with a text irssi |
05:42.00 | kergoth | to something like aim, and they've got custom colors and shit |
05:42.06 | kergoth | so now you've got html code |
05:42.12 | joshua_ | heh |
05:42.16 | joshua_ | I do like naim. |
05:42.38 | df00z | What the heck |
05:42.48 | df00z | BitlBee |
05:42.54 | joshua_ | different windows, and the works, but still seems very.. IRC-ish. |
05:43.35 | df00z | What the heck is BitlBee |
05:43.36 | treke|home | kergoth: bltbee and a decent irc client would be great on a pda |
05:43.40 | df00z | im at its site |
05:43.53 | kergoth | df00z: bitlbee is an irc to aim/yahoo/etc gateway |
05:44.03 | kergoth | its an irc server. connect to it with xchat or irssi or whatever |
05:44.12 | treke|home | kergoth: client -> dircproxy -> bltbee |
05:44.13 | df00z | So I can run that on the PDA/Desktop/whatever |
05:44.17 | df00z | and then use an IRC client on my pda |
05:44.19 | kergoth | yep |
05:44.22 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah |
05:44.23 | df00z | and talk to people on my aim list |
05:44.28 | joshua_ | hmm. |
05:44.32 | joshua_ | I still like naim. :) |
05:44.57 | df00z | So wait now, how does it do buddy lists |
05:44.58 | df00z | for like aim |
05:45.04 | treke|home | joshua_: the problem is, with the limited screen space on a pda, it makes sense to unify all of your messaging into one place |
05:45.05 | kergoth | there's a fake user on the server |
05:45.06 | joshua_ | the control channel apparently |
05:45.06 | df00z | do you have to give it your AIM sn/password? |
05:45.09 | kergoth | in #bitlbee |
05:45.16 | joshua_ | treke|home: you can do the same on a pda. |
05:45.21 | kergoth | you give it your info, yep |
05:45.23 | joshua_ | treke|home: err, with naim |
05:45.36 | treke|home | joshua_: naim can do irc/msn/whatever? |
05:45.44 | joshua_ | treke|home: IRC yes |
05:45.50 | treke|home | when I used it, it was just straight oscar |
05:45.53 | joshua_ | MSN PTA (Patches Thoughtfully Accepted) |
05:45.57 | joshua_ | not oscar. toc |
05:45.59 | kergoth | heh |
05:46.04 | kergoth | centericq is quite nice |
05:46.11 | treke|home | toc? |
05:46.13 | kergoth | odd interface, but once you get used to it, works great |
05:46.18 | treke|home | didnt they take down the toc servers? |
05:46.20 | emte | hmm ... where is my patcher doc on the wiki |
05:46.58 | joshua_ | TOC is alive and well |
05:47.10 | treke|home | it was never well :) |
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05:47.15 | kergoth | hehe |
05:47.40 | kergoth | i dont like the irc support in any of the messaging apps |
05:47.42 | kergoth | not even gaim |
05:47.48 | kergoth | would rather put those in my irc client than vice versa :) |
05:47.51 | joshua_ | heh. |
05:47.56 | joshua_ | try naim. I think you'll like it. |
05:47.59 | emte | center does an okay job |
05:47.59 | treke|home | kopete isn't half bad |
05:48.29 | kergoth | i've used naim, but i preferred centericq for the messaging stuff and irssi for irc |
05:48.31 | df00z | Hmm. I have to try this bitlbee thing |
05:49.30 | emte | damnit ... copy the stupid patch |
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05:49.54 | emte | lol |
05:50.04 | joshua_ | yeah. I tend to use nirc to consolidate my 'low traffic' networks, and bx for the big 2 (efnet+freenode). I don't like irssi's multi-window behavior. |
05:50.04 | treke|home | been a couple months |
05:50.13 | emte | give it big strings to say why it fails |
05:50.17 | kergoth | joshua_: you can disable it :) |
05:50.23 | joshua_ | I tried it. |
05:50.37 | treke|home | hehe still full of spam |
05:50.43 | joshua_ | I couldn't figure out how to convince it to change to a channel that wasn't my current active channel. |
05:50.47 | Pendalar | bah I can't get sms sending working to sprintpcs from my linux box =-/ |
05:51.20 | emte | patcher |
05:51.23 | emte | blah |
05:52.27 | joshua_ | heh. |
05:52.43 | joshua_ | just dug up this: http://joshuawise.com/~joshua/yayipaqboot.jpg |
05:52.58 | joshua_ | also http://joshuawise.com/~joshua/ipaqscandisk.jpg |
05:53.03 | treke|home | how stuff on the 2200 front? |
05:53.12 | joshua_ | hmmm |
05:53.16 | treke|home | havent really been following it |
05:53.23 | treke|home | but I've been using my 2200 again |
05:53.27 | joshua_ | treke|home: not certain why I can't receive data over serial using my debug stub |
05:53.28 | Soopaman | heheh |
05:53.34 | Soopaman | pretty cool joshua_ |
05:57.22 | df00z | HAHAHA |
05:57.25 | df00z | bitlbee is awesome |
05:57.28 | kergoth | :) |
05:57.44 | df00z | Hmm |
05:57.47 | kergoth | need to do something about the html, patch it to strip out tags or something |
05:57.52 | df00z | can you message someone not on your buddylist? |
05:58.05 | kergoth | dont recall |
05:58.10 | mithro | Windows 98? |
05:58.34 | kergoth | joshua_: what was that, bochs? |
05:58.36 | df00z | Hmm |
05:58.38 | joshua_ | yeah. |
05:58.39 | df00z | bitlbee isnt in oe |
05:58.42 | df00z | IT MUST BE |
05:58.46 | kergoth | df00z: patches welcome |
05:58.48 | emte | damnit ... i dont want to have to make the patch again |
05:58.58 | joshua_ | it never booted, iirc. nor did it ever complete the scandisk |
05:58.59 | df00z | kergoth: it should just work, it doesnt use anything funky |
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05:59.03 | kergoth | df00z: add dircproxy and/or ctrlproxy while you're at it |
05:59.05 | kergoth | df00z: yeah |
05:59.18 | df00z | ok cool, writing an oe for it |
05:59.23 | df00z | i have a template now ;) |
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06:00.31 | emte | ls .patches |
06:01.41 | emte | ERROR: strange, with --dry-run the patch worked, but without it does not work ... |
06:01.58 | emte | guess i am rebuilding it |
06:01.59 | treke|home | stane |
06:02.02 | treke|home | strange |
06:03.18 | treke|home | imdb needs to be extended so that you can search for actors by description |
06:03.27 | treke|home | "the black guy with a beard in movie X |
06:03.31 | kergoth | hehe |
06:12.27 | mithro | joshua_: Boch? |
06:13.07 | emte | cmon baby its time for sweet love |
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06:14.02 | treke|home | kergoth_: how much do you want to bet sharp shipped the pxa255 based poodle witht he pxa250 work around enabled? :p |
06:14.03 | joshua_ | bochs |
06:14.03 | emte | woo woo .. i hope |
06:14.04 | joshua_ | yeah |
06:14.11 | joshua_ | ah, his real IP shows. |
06:14.18 | df00z | ah |
06:14.21 | df00z | treke, im sure they did |
06:14.26 | df00z | the sharp rom is slow as hell |
06:14.41 | emte | hmm |
06:14.59 | treke|home | kergoth_: I still love how they changed the paint job on the c760 and that rated a new model name, but they swapped the cpu in the 5600 and that didnt :p |
06:15.05 | kergoth__ | hehe |
06:15.07 | kergoth__ | sad |
06:16.10 | mithro | different divisions of sharp? |
06:16.10 | emte | that was due to intel no? |
06:16.25 | mithro | yeah intel stop producing the pxa250's |
06:16.33 | mithro | so sharp couldn't keep shipping em |
06:17.22 | emte | seems the pxa series are supposed to be "sort of" a dropin replacement with "minor" reconfiguration |
06:17.53 | treke|home | i know why sharp switched to the pxa255 |
06:18.07 | emte | atleast that is what they were saying when i was looking at the sa1110 and 1111 datasheets |
06:18.08 | treke|home | I just find it humorous that they kept the same machine name as the pxa250 release |
06:18.27 | df00z | Er, if im inheriting autotools |
06:18.33 | df00z | should it automatically do the configure script |
06:18.37 | kergoth__ | yep |
06:19.04 | treke|home | emte: since this is the same company that thought *repainting the device* qualified for a new machine name :p |
06:19.44 | df00z | it immediatly did make, and then did |
06:19.46 | df00z | | bitlbee.c: In function `bitlbee_daemon_init': |
06:19.46 | df00z | | bitlbee.c:82: internal compiler error: in arm_print_operand, at config/arm/arm.c:9869 |
06:19.50 | emte | treke|home: something like that would mean they had a change in marketing/advertising head |
06:20.18 | treke|home | emte: That would explain changing the model from c760 to c860 to me |
06:20.32 | treke|home | but not the machine name used in the kernel |
06:21.12 | treke|home | emte: there is an actual kernel config option that sets the machine name to boxer, which does nothing more to the kernel than name the device boxer |
06:21.43 | df00z | I dont have to have a do_configure routine, do it? |
06:21.52 | emte | the chips could be so close that it doesnt make a dif ... i'd have to look at the datasheets for both |
06:22.26 | treke|home | my problem isn't lack of documentation |
06:22.30 | treke|home | it's too much documentation |
06:22.45 | emte | relevent doc at that |
06:22.48 | df00z | RTFM am i rite |
06:23.00 | treke|home | I have a gig of crap to read, but no clue where to start reading |
06:23.16 | emte | anyway i am falling off my chair |
06:23.24 | emte | night |
06:24.21 | mithro | treke: why? |
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06:25.12 | treke|home | mithro: because I don't know where to start :) |
06:25.42 | treke|home | mithro: I literaly have a gigabyte of pdfs providing documentation |
06:25.48 | df00z | oh wait |
06:25.49 | df00z | this isnt good |
06:25.54 | df00z | its doing the configure stuff..but |
06:26.14 | df00z | bitlbee.c: In function `bitlbee_daemon_init': |
06:26.14 | df00z | bitlbee.c:82: internal compiler error: in arm_print_operand, at config/arm/arm.c:9869 |
06:26.20 | df00z | Please submit a full bug report, |
06:26.20 | df00z | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
06:26.27 | kergoth | heh |
06:26.32 | kergoth | compiler bug, fun |
06:27.32 | df00z | is it really? |
06:28.05 | treke|home | not it's not really that fun |
06:28.17 | df00z | No, i mean a compiler bug |
06:28.19 | df00z | arnt those kind of rare |
06:28.34 | treke|home | your compiler seems to thing it is |
06:28.40 | kergoth | its telling you to submit a full bug report with preprocessed source |
06:28.44 | kergoth | it isnt pulling your leg |
06:28.51 | df00z | Well, should I do so? |
06:29.08 | treke|home | depends on whether you want the bug fixed or not |
06:29.24 | df00z | Well, yes I do, but doesnt that mean you guys will have to put the next version of the compiler into oe? |
06:29.28 | joshua_ | hmmm |
06:29.35 | treke|home | it does |
06:29.40 | joshua_ | ices are a bit rare |
06:29.43 | treke|home | but we were planning on doing it eventually |
06:29.46 | kergoth | df00z: check the bug tracker. |
06:29.53 | kergoth | df00z: could be this particular ice has already been reported |
06:29.57 | kergoth | if so, there may be a patch |
06:29.57 | treke|home | probably once the new compiler is out :) |
06:30.46 | df00z | is there a GCC bug tracker? |
06:31.18 | kergoth | yes. bugtraq on sources.redhat.com, iirc. |
06:31.20 | joshua_ | I suggest dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null for a little while to clear buffers, then try thec ompile again |
06:34.45 | df00z | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/ |
06:34.50 | df00z | should i just post it here? |
06:35.08 | df00z | it doesnt look like it was found |
06:35.55 | df00z | why do i always run into the most bizzare of bugs |
06:36.05 | joshua_ | <joshua_> I suggest dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null for a little while to clear buffers, then try thec ompile again |
06:36.37 | df00z | you are insane |
06:36.50 | df00z | i accidentally did mkswap my main hd once though :( |
06:37.10 | mithro | most ICE i have seen are due to overclocked hardware |
06:38.17 | mithro | if the ICE's are generated at random it's likley to be a hardware bug, if they happen always in the same place then they could be true ICE's |
06:38.38 | kergoth | we've hit ice's in the past. |
06:38.49 | kergoth | we hit like 4 of them in the oe packgae tree with 3.4.0 |
06:38.56 | kergoth | 3.4.1 fixed them all and more |
06:39.13 | mithro | not saying it isn't an ice, just saying that try and run a make again and see if it fails in the same place again a few times |
06:40.50 | df00z | yea it did |
06:40.51 | df00z | same place |
06:41.22 | joshua_ | df00z: I am not insane |
06:41.29 | joshua_ | input from /dev/hda, output to /dev/null. does not clear any data. |
06:42.08 | df00z | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17800 |
06:42.22 | df00z | oh |
06:42.26 | df00z | joshua i read that backwords |
06:42.33 | df00z | however, what kind of buffers is it clearing? |
06:43.22 | joshua_ | if GCC is cached in memory and a bit got flipped.. |
06:43.48 | df00z | What does writing to null do? |
06:44.47 | joshua_ | nothing, but it causes the kernel to start clearing other things out of buffers and get the (bogus) data from the hard drive into the buffers. |
06:44.54 | joshua_ | the clearing things out of buffers is what's important in this case |
06:45.17 | df00z | Wouldent a bit only get flipped if i had failing ram? |
06:45.40 | joshua_ | right |
06:45.51 | joshua_ | or if your cpu was failing/overclocke |
06:45.51 | df00z | Highly unlikly |
06:45.51 | joshua_ | d |
06:45.55 | df00z | i just ran memtest86 |
06:46.03 | joshua_ | or if a ray from space came down and zapped a chip at just the wrong time |
06:46.05 | df00z | overnight for 12 hours, 0 errors |
06:46.23 | df00z | anyway |
06:46.27 | df00z | doing so, how long should i do it for? |
06:46.38 | joshua_ | until you feel comfortable |
06:46.38 | joshua_ | heh |
06:46.48 | df00z | haha |
06:46.59 | df00z | Well ive never heard of doing this |
06:47.42 | joshua_ | http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
06:48.15 | df00z | Same error regardless |
06:48.28 | df00z | i would seriously put a tinfoil hat on my computer had that fixed the problem |
06:53.43 | df00z | Ok |
06:53.46 | df00z | this is impossible |
06:53.49 | df00z | im looking at the code lol |
06:53.53 | df00z | there is nothing wrong with it |
06:54.22 | kergoth | nobody said there was anything wrong with it |
06:54.28 | df00z | well like |
06:54.31 | df00z | its not even anything weird |
06:54.34 | kergoth | just whatever it is happens to make the compiler bug visable |
06:57.46 | df00z | im looking at the compiler's source in arm.c...bad value for wC register number abort..that doesnt even sound like a parsing problem it sounds like its trying to compile bad code or something |
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07:04.41 | joshua_ | boom! |
07:04.43 | joshua_ | BOOOOOM! |
07:04.55 | kergoth | heh |
07:04.58 | df00z | holy crap |
07:04.58 | df00z | this is bad |
07:05.03 | df00z | | bitlbee.c:68: error: impossible constraint in `asm' |
07:05.10 | df00z | FD_ZERO( global.readfds ); |
07:05.16 | df00z | Thats on line 68 |
07:05.19 | df00z | I see no asm |
07:06.03 | df00z | ..and um the file descriptor set commands work in OE right? |
07:08.31 | df00z | Hey, kergoth, FD_ZERO is in select.h...but where is the function actually found? I wanna make sure this isn't some bad port of the FD set libraries |
07:09.27 | kergoth | are you still getting the ICE? |
07:09.30 | df00z | yes |
07:09.34 | df00z | I reported it |
07:09.41 | kergoth | FD_ZERO should work fine, and no matter what it does, the compiler is still broken. |
07:09.48 | kergoth | you should never be able to cause an ice in code |
07:09.48 | df00z | Well |
07:09.50 | kergoth | period |
07:09.58 | df00z | i commented some code out |
07:10.01 | df00z | and i got that other stuff |
07:10.06 | df00z | bitlbee.c:68: error: impossible constraint in `asm' |
07:10.11 | df00z | and on the line was FD_ZERO |
07:10.26 | kergoth | it sounds like its inadvertantly pulling in headers from /usr/ |
07:10.31 | kergoth | look at the compile line |
07:12.48 | df00z | export includedir=/usr/include in log.docompile? |
07:13.01 | df00z | or is that just where files will go for install |
07:13.02 | kergoth | no. |
07:13.05 | kergoth | thats target. |
07:13.08 | kergoth | and that is what oe sets. |
07:13.08 | df00z | ah |
07:13.27 | kergoth | again, look at hte copmile line. |
07:13.32 | kergoth | you know, the one actually calling gcc. |
07:13.35 | df00z | oh |
07:13.37 | df00z | so the makefile |
07:13.42 | kergoth | what? |
07:13.42 | kergoth | no |
07:13.47 | kergoth | the fucking gcc command it called when it failed |
07:13.51 | kergoth | like 4 lines up |
07:13.54 | df00z | its not visible |
07:14.00 | kergoth | so go to the bottom of the log |
07:14.03 | kergoth | this isnt rocket science |
07:14.04 | df00z | * Compiling bitlbee.c |
07:14.04 | df00z | bitlbee.c: In function `bitlbee_daemon_main_loop': |
07:14.04 | df00z | bitlbee.c:68: error: impossible constraint in `asm' |
07:14.10 | kergoth | okay, so their makefile hides it. |
07:14.12 | df00z | jsut says *Compiling whatever |
07:14.12 | df00z | yea. |
07:14.19 | kergoth | find it in the makefile, remove the @ at the beginning of the call to gcc |
07:14.22 | kergoth | then build it again |
07:15.05 | df00z | <PROTECTED> |
07:15.10 | df00z | I/usr/include |
07:15.25 | df00z | doo bee doo be doo why the hell |
07:15.34 | kergoth | yep, there ya go |
07:15.44 | kergoth | now the hard part. figure out where thats coming from |
07:17.48 | df00z | uh |
07:17.54 | df00z | CFLAGS=-I. |
07:18.07 | df00z | in Makefile.settings |
07:18.19 | df00z | also |
07:18.22 | df00z | -I/usr/include |
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07:18.34 | df00z | compiles now |
07:18.38 | kergoth | heh |
07:18.41 | kergoth | cool |
07:18.54 | df00z | what faggotry, lets see if itl compile the original source though or if itl still eat itself |
07:19.34 | reenoo_ | morning |
07:19.56 | df00z | yup. |
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07:22.05 | df00z | Hmm, it's probably somthing in the configure script that adds that to Makefile.settings, right? |
07:22.24 | kergoth | depends. is there a Makefile.settings.in? |
07:22.33 | df00z | no |
07:22.41 | kergoth | then i doubt it |
07:22.53 | df00z | but ./configure creates Makefile.settings |
07:23.04 | kergoth | then yes |
07:23.16 | df00z | oh |
07:23.19 | df00z | broken configure script |
07:23.31 | kergoth | phew, finally got ctrlproxy all happy. using ssl for the clients now |
07:23.42 | kergoth | and backlog works |
07:24.31 | df00z | Is it ok to say...configure it manually, and then just add the Makefile and makefile.settings to oe? |
07:24.38 | df00z | or should i fix the configure script |
07:24.59 | df00z | the configure script is ridden with direct references to /usr/whatever |
07:25.00 | kergoth | fix it properly. |
07:25.23 | kergoth | fixing builds is always a pain in the ass |
07:25.25 | kergoth | sometimes worse than others |
07:26.54 | df00z | well, what is a configure script for anyway, aside from locating dependencies and stuff? |
07:27.08 | df00z | It's improper to just have a makefile and no configure script? |
07:27.34 | kergoth | bitlbee uses a configure script. we're not going to substantially rework their buildsystem |
07:27.56 | kergoth | its used for tons of things. testing the build environment, testing for things about the target environment, locating libs and headers, etc |
07:29.12 | df00z | well, it's not going to break anything if I just have a working makefile, is it? |
07:29.22 | df00z | it's a fairly short makefile |
07:29.24 | kergoth | that depends |
07:29.36 | df00z | actually..damnit |
07:29.41 | kergoth | but remember that we always try to do things in such a way as to get the changes accepted upstream |
07:29.52 | df00z | what it puts out are references to my oe path lol |
07:29.56 | df00z | so it wont work for other people |
07:30.00 | df00z | i guess theres no way around it then |
07:30.01 | kergoth | short term hacks are okay to get things going, but we always, always prefer patches that fix crosscompilation without breaking normal builds, that they'll accept |
07:30.07 | df00z | Ah. |
07:30.32 | kergoth | course we're really bad about actually pushing things upstream, but thatll change |
07:30.52 | df00z | Hm |
07:36.29 | df00z | um |
07:36.30 | df00z | ok |
07:36.32 | df00z | this isnt good |
07:36.37 | df00z | i did make clean a few times |
07:36.38 | df00z | and make |
07:36.44 | df00z | oebuild clean oebuild |
07:36.47 | df00z | and then like |
07:36.57 | df00z | it stopped adding -I /usr/include to the Makefile.settingsd |
07:37.06 | df00z | What could that mean |
07:37.48 | reenoo_ | kergoth: how do I bk mv directories? |
07:38.17 | kergoth | reenoo_: .. |
07:38.21 | kergoth | reenoo_: bk mvdir |
07:38.30 | reenoo_ | ah. doh |
07:38.38 | kergoth | heh |
07:40.04 | reenoo_ | wtf |
07:40.18 | reenoo_ | it deleted the dir when the bk mv failed |
07:40.27 | df00z | Hmm |
07:41.05 | df00z | #include <openssl/ssl.h> |
07:41.09 | df00z | | ssl_openssl.c:30:25: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory |
07:41.12 | df00z | ./staging/arm-linux/include/openssl/ssl.h |
07:41.17 | df00z | is something wrong here? |
07:42.02 | df00z | do i have to include that directory? |
07:42.52 | df00z | yup i did lol |
07:43.18 | kergoth | oe already adds that search path to its CFLAGS. it should have that |
07:43.19 | kergoth | heh |
07:43.29 | df00z | well, it didnt ._. |
07:43.36 | df00z | something really weird is up |
07:43.46 | df00z | i did oebuild clean oefile oebuild oebuild clean |
07:43.47 | df00z | etc |
07:43.52 | df00z | and eventually like it started working |
07:43.55 | df00z | and not adding /usr/include |
07:44.14 | df00z | its not like i edited the source tar.gz either |
07:44.19 | df00z | so i dont know what could be going on |
07:58.07 | df00z | well |
07:58.10 | df00z | bitlbee does work on the zaurus ;) |
07:58.15 | df00z | now i need an irc client..heh heh |
08:00.24 | kergoth | heh, nice |
08:01.59 | df00z | socket error: success :eye twitch: |
08:02.12 | df00z | seriously, who writes error messages like that |
08:02.19 | kergoth | no one |
08:02.30 | df00z | haha tell that to opie-irc |
08:02.33 | kergoth | they're calling perror(), which looks up the message via errno |
08:02.54 | kergoth | however, errno got overwritten by a call to some other function in the libc after the error occurred, but before they printed it |
08:02.55 | df00z | ruined with your technicalities :( |
08:03.05 | kergoth | so indeed, errno showed no error. |
08:03.07 | kergoth | Success. |
08:03.19 | kergoth | its a bug in their error handling code |
08:03.26 | kergoth | relatively minor one, all things considered |
08:03.27 | df00z | Ah |
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08:19.30 | mithro | hey pb_ |
08:19.37 | df00z | oh jesus |
08:19.38 | pb_ | hi mithro |
08:19.39 | df00z | that is annoying |
08:19.44 | df00z | showing html is gay |
08:19.48 | df00z | in bitlbee |
08:19.53 | df00z | i will fix that |
08:20.07 | mithro | pb_: kergoth said you may know lots about softfloat? |
08:20.17 | pb_ | some, yeah |
08:20.24 | pb_ | "lots" might be stretching it |
08:20.44 | reenoo_ | morning pb_ |
08:20.53 | pb_ | hi reenoo_ |
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08:21.27 | treke|home | hrmm |
08:21.35 | treke|home | I should have probably gone to bed a couple hours ago |
08:21.44 | df00z | speaking of softfloat |
08:21.50 | df00z | if i build mplayer and whatnot |
08:21.54 | df00z | itl use softfloat |
08:21.55 | df00z | right? |
08:22.00 | mithro | why can't non-softfloat binaries use softfloat libraries? |
08:22.01 | df00z | since OZ3.5.1 has it |
08:22.01 | treke|home | if you tell oe to use softfloat |
08:22.06 | df00z | and i set TARGET_FPU to soft |
08:22.17 | treke|home | mithro: incompatible abis |
08:23.19 | mithro | but why are the abis incompatible? |
08:23.24 | treke|home | they just are. |
08:23.42 | treke|home | I don't know how it all ended up that way when it was written |
08:23.43 | treke|home | but it did |
08:24.32 | mithro | and why does softfloat even change the ABIs? except is you where parsing stuff around in FPU registers? |
08:24.50 | treke|home | you'll have to ask the authors |
08:25.10 | treke|home | for better or worse, the code has been written and as it is, you can't mix things without trouble |
08:25.45 | andersee | mithro: for starters, things like libc _cant_ be the same |
08:26.14 | andersee | mithro: setjmp/longjmp for example need to preserve and restore fp registers. or not. |
08:27.07 | mithro | if they are using softfloat they should never touch the "virtual" fp registers? |
08:28.32 | andersee | mithro: what "virtual" fp registers? |
08:28.43 | mithro | the one hardware fp emulation provides? |
08:28.54 | andersee | mithro: you either have fp, or you don't |
08:29.16 | andersee | mithro: with softfloat, you don't, so you can't touch them |
08:29.46 | treke|home | openzaurus is probably a bit of an oddity in that we didnt disable kernel floating point emulation |
08:29.54 | pb_ | treke|home: you probably should have, yah |
08:29.54 | pb_ | mithro: because the ABIs are not compatible. |
08:29.59 | pb_ | function arguments and return values are passed differently in soft-float. |
08:30.22 | mithro | softfloat == the special library, there is also the kernel fp emulation |
08:30.25 | treke|home | pb_: I think the idea was that some courageous soul would want to build a complete compatibility environment that ran alongside |
08:31.00 | treke|home | I wouldnt be adverse to dumping it if mickey and kergoth wanted to |
08:31.18 | pb_ | treke|home: you could certainly do that, but it would have to be a complete environment. |
08:31.22 | pb_ | everything from libc up to libqpe. |
08:31.22 | treke|home | pb_: people on the mailing list are finding that old apps from 3.3.6 do weird things, particularly ones that do a lot of math |
08:31.25 | treke|home | yup |
08:31.26 | mithro | treke: which wouldn't have been all that hard if the ABI between softfloat/hardfloat was the same |
08:31.39 | andersee | soft-float doesn't use the bass-ackwards arm fp endianness |
08:31.53 | treke|home | mithro, and it would be easier if the abi for C++ between gcc2 and gcc3 were the same |
08:32.10 | treke|home | at this point, it's a little to late for that :) |
08:32.12 | andersee | it would be easier if opie-mediaplayer worked |
08:32.20 | mithro | i'm just intrested to find out why/how it changed |
08:32.23 | treke|home | andersee: mikelp is working on it |
08:32.28 | andersee | hehe |
08:32.45 | treke|home | or at least he was |
08:32.50 | treke|home | he may have given up in disgust |
08:33.05 | mithro | i assume that alot smarter people are working on this stuff so I'm trying to learn from there decisions :) |
08:33.05 | pb_ | mithro: the old abi used FPA registers to pass floating point arguments into functions. in soft-float, those FPA registers do not exist, so the values must be passed somewhere else. |
08:33.22 | pb_ | also, as andersee mentioned, there is an issue with setjmp. |
08:34.01 | pb_ | and the layout of doubles has changed as well. |
08:34.09 | mithro | ahh okay |
08:34.13 | mithro | thats what i wanted to know |
08:34.30 | mithro | i made the (somewhat stupid) assumption everything was passed on the stack |
08:35.01 | mithro | hence if they used the same format on the stack it would be a non-issue right? |
08:35.06 | pb_ | yes |
08:35.20 | pb_ | but, due to the double format change, even that would probably be unlikely. |
08:35.34 | treke|home | it's really a shame that apps don't just crash and burn when mixed |
08:35.46 | treke|home | it would save people a lot of headache |
08:36.02 | mithro | but in theory if somebody was a into machosim they could write a wrapper library that took the floats, saved them to the stack in the correct format? |
08:36.48 | df00z | LOL! |
08:36.52 | andersee | or that some someone could just recompile everything, and use their time for something else |
08:36.54 | df00z | oscar.c is pretty funny |
08:36.58 | df00z | struct pieceofcrap { |
08:37.02 | treke|home | ha |
08:37.05 | df00z | struct void damn_you(gpointer data |
08:37.20 | treke|home | this is what happes when you code drunk |
08:37.29 | df00z | hah |
08:38.01 | mithro | opera is about the only program i'm still intrested in on 2.95.x and hardfloat |
08:38.59 | mithro | so softfloat has uses fp in the opposite direction to the hardware fp? |
08:40.21 | andersee | mithro: perhaps this is a better solution -- http://freshmeat.net/projects/statifier/ |
08:40.47 | treke|home | that's pretty slick |
08:40.48 | andersee | mithro: make opera be staticly linked... |
08:40.59 | treke|home | though that's going to be one big ass binary |
08:41.07 | mithro | yeah |
08:41.23 | mithro | in theory you could generate the above wrapper library automatically? |
08:41.52 | mithro | btw what to those jmp commands do? |
08:41.57 | treke|home | "Files, created by statifier ("pseudo-static") combine disadvantages of both of them: " |
08:42.07 | andersee | could also set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to a set of older shared libs |
08:42.21 | mithro | andersee: that what my oz-compat libs do |
08:42.25 | treke|home | will LD_LIBRARY_PATH work with libc? |
08:42.36 | andersee | yep |
08:42.45 | andersee | should anyway |
08:42.54 | df00z | oh |
08:43.01 | df00z | bitlbee can already strip html |
08:43.23 | treke|home | looks like statifier might not run on arm |
08:43.49 | treke|home | mithro, in theory the compat libs should be doable similarly to how they are done now |
08:43.55 | treke|home | you just need to add more libraries in |
08:44.30 | treke|home | might be wise to split it up into components if you do that though |
08:44.41 | treke|home | since not everyone would need every library |
08:44.47 | mithro | treke: it would require double the flash space :) |
08:45.32 | treke|home | mithro, statifier looks like it would be worse |
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08:47.41 | mithro | pb_: so obviously arm can only parse so many fp numbers through the registers, it uses the stack for the rest of them? |
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09:05.11 | df00z | Hmm, well this is pretty cool |
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09:21.47 | df00z | Hmm, you can get a keyboard for zauruses... |
09:21.51 | df00z | supposudly |
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09:46.21 | df00z | Hmm |
09:46.24 | df00z | i wonder if lufs can be added |
09:49.13 | kergoth | df00z: its in packages/nonworking/ |
09:49.19 | kergoth | never got finished, apparently |
09:49.58 | df00z | oh, its there? hm. |
09:50.06 | kergoth | would be a starting point, anyway |
09:50.23 | df00z | uh |
09:50.24 | df00z | well |
09:50.34 | df00z | i just made a new 1/2 assed oe and so far its compiling |
09:51.18 | df00z | haha |
09:51.39 | df00z | its also using /usr/src/linux-2.6.7 arg. ill have to look at it when im awake |
09:52.05 | pb_ | evening kergoth |
09:52.23 | kergoth | hey |
09:53.20 | df00z | hmm. |
09:54.27 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: I thought you were going to add the feed definitions to separate files, rather than ipkg.conf, as we discussed yesterday. |
09:54.28 | df00z | hehe pb: bitblee built ;D |
09:54.45 | df00z | So like its good for aim,irq,msn,jabber,yahoo etc |
09:55.07 | CoreDump|home | pb_: yes, but that doesn't go well with opie-aqpkg which is still used by many people |
09:55.26 | pb_ | Ah, I thought opie-aqpkg was obsolete. Don't you have opie-packagemanager now? |
09:56.07 | CoreDump|home | opie-packagemanager still has problems.Not ready for use IMO. |
09:56.43 | pb_ | even though opie-packagemanager is what goes into the image? |
09:56.49 | CoreDump|home | yes |
09:56.59 | pb_ | bizarre. |
09:57.13 | pb_ | why are you shipping the package manager that doesn't work? |
09:57.16 | CoreDump|home | :)it's an "unstable" image after all heh |
09:57.46 | CoreDump|home | because it is the future. i just hope someone is working on it lol |
09:58.33 | pb_ | ok |
09:58.57 | pb_ | I recommend you have image_ipk.oeclass create a separate .conf file for each feed, and confine the ipkg.conf munging to opie-image.oe. |
09:59.15 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
09:59.53 | CoreDump|home | do you know the GPE package manager? can he handle additional .conf files? |
10:00.07 | pb_ | I don't know, but if it can't then it should be fixed. |
10:00.14 | CoreDump|home | :) |
10:00.20 | pb_ | We've always used separate .conf files for GPE before, and nobody has complained. |
10:00.32 | CoreDump|home | i see. Never used GPE, sorry |
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10:01.52 | pb_ | Bashing ipkg.conf around in image_ipk.oeclass is not very satisfactory, because it means that those changes will be overwritten if ipkg-collateral.ipk is upgraded or reinstalled. |
10:02.38 | pb_ | It also means that, if and when we implement md5sum-based package integrity checking, ipkg.conf would show up as corrupt. |
10:03.25 | pb_ | If it's necessary to do that for Opie in order to work around deficiencies in aqpkg, that's fine, but we shouldn't do it globally. |
10:03.43 | CoreDump|home | ok, what about FEED_URIS = "$name##$URI;external=no" |
10:04.11 | CoreDump|home | and the default beeing not to touch ipkg.conf |
10:04.38 | pb_ | That would work, but I would prefer to have the ipkg.conf mangling code in opie-image.oe, rather than in the .oeclass. |
10:04.56 | CoreDump|home | ok |
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10:07.43 | pb_ | dc_: morning |
10:08.09 | CoreDump|home | oh, i see a problem there. since the image is completely populated and built by image_ipkg.oeclass, any hack to opie-image would mean to disassemble the image again, and *then* change ipkg.conf |
10:08.28 | CoreDump|home | and rebuild it, of course |
10:08.44 | CoreDump|home | nasty |
10:08.51 | pb_ | You should be able to use ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND for that |
10:10.18 | pb_ | i.e. you need to deal with the feeds during the rootfs step, not image. |
10:10.25 | CoreDump|home | yes |
10:28.16 | dc_ | morning pb_ |
10:31.47 | CIA-5 | 03hrw 07 * r1.2389 10packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): flexis-zaurus, portabase, qpegps, qplot: fixed SECTION, oelint fixes |
10:32.33 | hrw | hi |
10:33.35 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2390 10packages/xfonts/ (imake-staging.patch xfonts-xorg_6.8.oe): add xorg core fonts |
10:33.51 | CoreDump|home | hi hrw |
10:34.29 | hrw | CoreDump|home: your feed code helps me a lot in searching for wrong section |
10:34.45 | CoreDump|home | really? hows that |
10:35.29 | hrw | CoreDump|home: oebuild oz-feed.oe and look into Packages. if there is a package which depend on libqpe1 (and is not sdl based) then it has wrong section - should have opie/* one |
10:35.46 | CoreDump|home | ahh, yes |
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10:37.07 | CoreDump|home | looks like python isn't too happy when i try to insert multi-line bash stuff into ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND... |
10:40.43 | CIA-5 | 03hrw 07 * r1.2391 10packages/portabase/portabase_1.9.oe: portabase: bump PR due to section change |
10:41.39 | CoreDump|home | pb_: what about exporting a new function in rootfs_ipk to merge the feeds into ipkg.conf, and then call it w/ ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND? i don't have a clue on how to do that just within opie-image asi don't do python |
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10:42.59 | pb_ | we could do that, but if (as I hope) it will only ever be used by opie-image, there isn't much advantage in having the code in rootfs_ipk. |
10:43.10 | ger[ioe] | The oe website is really slow :( |
10:43.36 | CoreDump|home | i understand |
10:44.13 | ger[ioe] | Does anybody now what I should do after i installed everything ? |
10:44.49 | hrw | btw - if I want to add some meta/ feed packages they shoudl be called *-feed.oe or feed-*.oe? * = doc, devel, locale |
10:45.15 | hrw | ger[ioe]: cat packages/conf/local.conf.sample>build/conf/local.conf and edit it |
10:45.31 | CoreDump|home | so a new.oeclass it shall be, which can be dropped after packagemanager gets ready |
10:45.51 | CoreDump|home | no useless code in any existing class then |
10:46.14 | hrw | CoreDump|home: and inherited only in opie-image.oe? |
10:46.21 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
10:48.28 | pb_ | what's the advantage of a new .oeclass compared to just putting the code in opie-image.oe? |
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11:01.08 | CoreDump|home | pb_: that one is easy. as i can't put a full bash script into ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND (the parser doesn't like that at all), it has to be either in a .oeclass, or maybe written in python directly in opie-image (if that's even possible). I don't do python and i'm not going to learn it in a few hours. As it looks like, i'll just write the feeds into /etc/ipkg/$some-file.conf and keep the new oeclass for myself, as it is oviously n |
11:01.08 | CoreDump|home | ot wanted. It's just not worth the hassle of hacking 2+ hours and then having to redo everything *again*, sorry. I personally just want perfectly working images and i really don't see why the *core* feeds shouldn't go into ipkg.conf as it has been in the past (at least for opie, don't know about GPE). |
11:01.54 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: I still don't undersatnd the 'has to be in an .oeclass' bit. Why can't you just write it as a shell function in opie-image.oe? |
11:03.10 | pb_ | I don't really understand the reference to python, either. All the image construction code is written in shell. |
11:04.08 | CoreDump|home | yes it is, the .oe are however parsed by python which chockes on about anything unsual if it isn't inside a function |
11:04.24 | pb_ | eh? |
11:04.33 | pb_ | the .oe files are parsed in exactly the same way as the .oeclass files. |
11:06.20 | mithro | pb_: is there any documentation on the ABI difference between softfloat and nonsoftfloat? |
11:06.34 | pb_ | not that I know of |
11:06.48 | CoreDump|home | indeed, and everything works perfectly as long as you put it into a function. The example would be ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND. In bash one can place a full script into a variable and then just call $SOME_VAR. Can't do that in .oe as it chokes on newline |
11:07.04 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: right, so why don't you just put this function in the .oe? |
11:07.53 | CoreDump|home | the question is if it would be seen by image_ipk.oeclass |
11:08.39 | CoreDump|home | variables need to be exported to be seen by anything outside the .oe. How do you export functions? |
11:08.49 | CoreDump|home | that i do not know |
11:08.59 | pb_ | no, that's not what "export" means. |
11:09.57 | pb_ | "export" just means that the variable is added to the environment when a shell function is executed. |
11:10.13 | pb_ | OE doesn't have any notion of file-scope variables. Everything is always global. |
11:10.47 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
11:18.04 | CoreDump|home | pb_: ok, that works. How about the borked feed-source provided by ipkg-collateral? That one must go, as it leads to no feed at all and just produces error messages by ipkg update |
11:18.09 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2392 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg/epia/xorg.conf: add xorg.conf for EPiA |
11:18.27 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: sounds like ipkg-collateral should be patched to remove that bogus source |
11:18.36 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
11:18.42 | CoreDump|home | will do that then |
11:18.46 | pb_ | cool |
11:19.57 | pb_ | looks like you just need to replace ipkg-collateral/openzaurus/src with an empty file. |
11:20.22 | hrw | or just remove it |
11:20.28 | pb_ | or that |
11:21.29 | pb_ | there's one other issue that I noticed: the FEED_URIS in opie-image should really be FEED_URIS_openzaurus, since those URIs might not be appropriate for Familiar. |
11:24.45 | CoreDump|home | umm isn't every one using the same feed as of 3.5.1? |
11:25.56 | anomaly_ | where can i go to get some support/help/advice with openembedded? notice this isn't a support chan, and i've had no end of problems with apperently missing files after a clean cloning of oe and packages |
11:27.46 | anomaly_ | /openembedded/tmp/work/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37-r0/kernel/kernel/scripts/mkdep: No such file or directory |
11:27.55 | CoreDump|home | anomaly_: that's the right channel for OE problems, just not for OZ / Fam / GPE / Opie stuff |
11:28.03 | anomaly_ | ok |
11:28.18 | anomaly_ | well, something is making the cross tools look in the wrong directory for the kernel scripts |
11:28.22 | anomaly_ | notice the duplicate /kernel/ |
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11:28.28 | anomaly_ | (h3900 btw) |
11:29.00 | anomaly_ | if i manually copy the scripts to that dir i get a whole bunch of recursion issues during compiling and the whole thing fails miserably |
11:29.14 | anomaly_ | other packages work btw |
11:29.48 | anomaly_ | or is that more of a handhelds.org issue? |
11:29.50 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: no, I think we will probably continue having separate feeds for Familiar and openzaurus for a bit. |
11:29.58 | CoreDump|home | i c |
11:30.09 | pb_ | anomaly_: that'd probably be an issue for reenoo_cleaning. |
11:30.23 | pb_ | I think he worked on handhelds-pxa most recently. |
11:30.30 | anomaly_ | ok |
11:30.39 | anomaly_ | thanks |
11:32.25 | ger[ioe] | :( |
11:32.29 | ger[ioe] | It seems handhelds.org is down as well |
11:32.48 | pb_ | 64 bytes from handhelds.org (192.58.209.90): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=81.8 ms |
11:32.51 | pb_ | doesn't seem down to me |
11:33.30 | mithro | pb_: so is there any documentation on softfloat abi then? |
11:33.45 | pb_ | no |
11:33.50 | ger[ioe] | pb it seems I cannot get to the wiki |
11:34.31 | CoreDump|home | pb_: oe.org is very laggy and times out a lot |
11:34.40 | pb_ | hm, the machine does seem to be swapping a lot |
11:35.10 | mithro | if you wanted to write some ASM which had to intergrate with softfloat calling interface where would i find out information on it? |
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11:38.02 | pb_ | hm, some malefactor seems to be hitting the webserver with lots of requests |
11:41.00 | mithro | pb_: wouldn't happen to know a good place to start with learning about coding ARM asm, and asm calling non ASM functions? |
11:41.10 | pb_ | not offhand, sorry |
11:42.28 | mithro | i've coded 3 types of ASM now, but all on raw hardware |
11:43.47 | CoreDump|home | is there a variable from which i can read for which platform one i building? (OZ or FAM) |
11:44.36 | hrw | CoreDump|home: DISTRO |
11:44.50 | CoreDump|home | hrw: doh! thanks :) makes sense heh |
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11:47.06 | ger[ioe] | I am missing two directories |
11:47.07 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2393 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg_6.8.oe: |
11:47.07 | CIA-5 | add x11.conf file |
11:47.08 | CIA-5 | move more xprint bits into xprint package |
11:47.10 | ger[ioe] | Sources and build |
11:47.33 | hrw | ger[ioe]: create them by hand |
11:48.14 | ger[ioe] | hrw okay |
11:49.46 | hrw | smpeg is in section 'NET' - I plan to move it to 'libs' - but so we have 'subsections' in 'libs'? 'libs/net' is in libtomcrypt |
11:51.17 | hrw | anyway - have to go |
11:51.17 | hrw | bbl |
11:55.46 | CoreDump|home | it might be not a bad idea to have a way to include "disabled" (ie commented out) feeds |
11:56.18 | CoreDump|home | who on earth want a feed w/ locale-* and glibc-* (900+ packages) |
11:56.52 | pb_ | people who want to install the locales, presumably. |
11:57.44 | CoreDump|home | pb_: sure but for most folks i18n-XX is enough |
11:58.08 | pb_ | "most folks" in this context meaning opie users, presumably |
11:58.30 | CoreDump|home | sure, how does GPE handle locales? |
11:58.36 | pb_ | using the glibc locale data |
11:59.10 | pb_ | ger[ioe]: I restarted httpd on handhelds.org and it seems a bit happier now. |
12:01.28 | CoreDump|home | as there now is a way to split the feed, it would at least make sense to package the locale-* and glibc-* stuff into a seperate feed. opie-image just wouldn't include it, but gpe-image can |
12:03.06 | pb_ | sounds ok |
12:15.29 | mickeyl | morning |
12:16.25 | CoreDump|home | hi mickeyl |
12:16.38 | pb_ | morning mickey |
12:18.13 | reenoo_ | re |
12:18.37 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: I'm on this channel. no need to message me |
12:20.56 | reenoo_ | and the handhelds-sa build I started this morning failed here as well |
12:21.34 | reenoo_ | same issue as the one that has already been posted on the list |
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12:25.56 | anomaly_ | ok |
12:26.28 | CIA-5 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2387.1.1 10packages/libxine/libxine_1.0.0-beta12.oe: |
12:26.29 | CIA-5 | fix do_compile. guys, could you please stop committing before testing? |
12:26.30 | CIA-5 | on a related note, all libxine are broken anyway. could someone try the configure mechanism to undef HAVE_X11 and HAVE_XV in every case? |
12:26.58 | anomaly_ | also, i only messaged you cause you were afk, sorry :P |
12:27.49 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: np |
12:32.46 | reenoo_ | nice |
12:33.04 | reenoo_ | pb_: jamey is in Bhutan, right? |
12:33.16 | reenoo_ | ibot seen jamey |
12:33.22 | ibot | jamey <~jamey@192.208.47.187> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 8d 14h 57m 14s ago, saying: 'I will be on vacation, trekking in Bhutan. back October 13th.'. |
12:34.58 | reenoo_ | brb |
12:36.15 | pb_ | reenoo_: correct |
12:40.06 | reenoo_ | there are some files (at least one) missing |
12:42.44 | reenoo_ | right. missing 'cvs add' I guess |
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12:45.53 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
12:46.09 | treke|home | I must give paetec credit. They did call me back promptly |
12:46.15 | treke|home | at 5am my time |
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12:46.21 | pb_ | heh, jolly good |
12:47.09 | Twiun | anyone going to the Symbian Expo in London? |
12:47.11 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
12:47.24 | reenoo_ | hi Twiun |
12:47.24 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
12:47.30 | Twiun | hey reenoo_ |
12:47.40 | pb_ | no plans to attend the Symbian thing on my part |
12:49.37 | pb_ | treke|home: good night (again) |
12:50.52 | CoreDump|home | hmm bk is locked? |
12:50.59 | pb_ | usually |
12:52.22 | CIA-5 | 03CoreDump 07 * r1.2395 10packages/ (classes/image_ipk.oeclass meta/opie-image.oe): |
12:52.24 | CIA-5 | Change FEED_URI handling to store feeds in /etc/ipkg/*-feed.conf. Allow |
12:52.25 | CIA-5 | distribution specific feeds using FEED_URIS_openzaurus or FEED_URIS_familiar |
12:52.27 | CIA-5 | (see opie-image.oe for details). Add merge_feeds to opie-image.oe to store the |
12:52.29 | CIA-5 | feeds in ipkg.conf since aqpkg can't handle feeds in /etc/ipkg/* |
12:53.29 | pb_ | excellent |
12:54.00 | gerwin | Okay if I have downloaded all files with bitkeeper , than I got /home/gerwin/src/packages |
12:54.14 | gerwin | and /home/gerwin/src/oe |
12:54.32 | gerwin | I have set the enivornment variable |
12:54.39 | gerwin | What should I do next |
12:54.51 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: that 'case ${DISTRO} in ...' is unnecessary. overrides will take care of FEED_URIS_${DISTRO} for you. |
12:55.27 | CoreDump|home | how's that. is that an OE thingy? |
12:55.31 | pb_ | yes |
12:55.33 | CoreDump|home | ok |
12:55.44 | pb_ | just use ${FEED_URIS}, and it will all work out fine. |
12:59.00 | CoreDump|home | neat! |
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13:03.25 | CIA-5 | 03CoreDump 07 * r1.2396 10packages/ (classes/image_ipk.oeclass meta/opie-image.oe): Remove case , as OE already does the work for us, bump oipie-image.oe PR |
13:04.05 | CoreDump|home | ph34r my 5p3ll1ng sk1llz |
13:04.29 | pb_ | heh |
13:06.21 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2393.1.1 10packages/nslu2-binary-only/nslu2-firmware-binary_2.3r25.oe: add DEPENDS on unzip-native |
13:12.08 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2398 10packages/classes/base.oeclass: apply PATH to unpack command |
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13:18.29 | Bernardo | hi |
13:21.07 | reenoo_ | hey Bernardo |
13:21.16 | Bernardo | hi reenoo_ |
13:21.22 | reenoo_ | hmm |
13:21.29 | reenoo_ | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /home2/oe/build-arm/tmp/work/handhelds-sa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37-r0/image/lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37/kernel/net/ipv6/mobile_ip6/mip6_mn.o |
13:21.54 | CIA-5 | 03CoreDump 07 * r1.2396.1.1 10packages/ (ipkg/ipkg-collateral/openzaurus/src meta/opie-image.oe): Remove borked destination for openzaurus in ipkg-collateral |
13:22.09 | reenoo_ | looks like that stuff is not quite ready yet |
13:22.28 | reenoo_ | pb_: suggestions? |
13:22.59 | Bernardo | reenoo_: simpad? |
13:23.14 | Bernardo | if so, just ignore that one, I've seen it for ages |
13:23.15 | pb_ | reenoo_: dunno. either back out to hh36, or consult the MIPL code to find out what's up |
13:27.05 | reenoo_ | pb_: honestly, I don't think I'd know how to debug this |
13:27.40 | pb_ | ok |
13:27.47 | pb_ | in that case, I suggest you make hh36 the default again for now |
13:28.33 | Bernardo | reenoo_: you can also try doing a "make menuconfig ARCH=arm" in your kernel source dir, and change the modules/in kernel option for ipv6 modules |
13:28.42 | gerwin | Anybody any idea where I can find the configuration file of oecommander ? |
13:28.48 | Bernardo | then copy the generated .config to your defconfig-* |
13:28.59 | Bernardo | and rebuild your kernel |
13:29.05 | reenoo_ | gerwin: oecommander doesn't work yet |
13:29.49 | gerwin | Reenoo_ thanks I will build my images in another way |
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13:36.07 | reenoo_ | pb_: think I found the reason. rebuilding... |
13:36.39 | pb_ | ok, cool |
13:37.15 | reenoo_ | "Be aware that your .config needs to define CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=m now (instead of the old CONFIG_IPV6_IPV6_TUNNEL=m)" |
13:37.22 | pb_ | aha |
13:40.11 | reenoo_ | right. no unresolved symbols this time |
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13:42.28 | reenoo_ | bbl |
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13:43.38 | kolla | what's the name of the tiny font used on the console of the Z? |
13:49.15 | Bernardo | reenoo_: that didn't fix it for the simpad... :( |
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13:51.23 | gerwin | If I try to built an image I get the error unable to open oe.conf |
13:51.31 | gerwin | Somebody an idea what I did wrong ? |
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14:11.19 | gerwin | It works m:):):):):) |
14:13.08 | reenoo_ | re |
14:13.43 | CoreDump|home | did anyone here try to enable the sftp-server in dropbear? |
14:13.47 | gerwin | Now I need to find out how I can compile for my platform |
14:13.57 | gerwin | So this works on fedora as well |
14:17.51 | anomaly_ | thats what i have it running on at the moment |
14:22.19 | reenoo_ | gerwin: what python version does fedora ship nowadays? |
14:24.11 | gerwin | reenoo_ : let me check |
14:28.24 | reenoo_ | gerwin: just run 'python' in an xterm. it should output the version string (exit with CTRL-d) |
14:30.26 | gerwin | 2.3.3 |
14:31.18 | gerwin | I am only wondering now everything is working if there is a wiki on how I can compile everything |
14:31.36 | reenoo_ | should work fine then (OE needs python 2.3) |
14:32.50 | reenoo_ | you may also need make 3.80 to compile handhelds.org kernels though |
14:33.00 | gerwin | You need to adapt the local.conf |
14:33.10 | gerwin | and you need to adapt the script |
14:33.12 | Twiun | I mostly followed the GettingStarted wiki entry (and linked entries) |
14:33.19 | Twiun | seems to be building just fine atm |
14:34.04 | reenoo_ | [I was referring to the running OE _on fedora_ part only] |
14:35.14 | reenoo_ | Twiun: going to build sablevm? |
14:36.49 | anomaly_ | GNU Make 3.80 |
14:36.58 | anomaly_ | yerp |
14:38.09 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: where you trying to build handhelds-pxa btw? |
14:38.35 | anomaly_ | yes |
14:39.09 | CIA-5 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2394.1.1 10packages/python-sip/python-sip_4.0.1.oe: fun with fixing sip |
14:42.55 | Twiun | reenoo_: Yeah |
14:43.21 | reenoo_ | Twiun: cool |
14:45.13 | Twiun | reenoo_: any special config changes I need to do to enable soft-float for sablevm? |
14:46.09 | reenoo_ | Twiun: set DISTRO=openzaurus-3.5.1 in your local.conf I think |
14:47.22 | CIA-5 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2401 10packages/ (python/python-pyqt_3.12.oe python-sip/python-sip_4.0.1.oe): fun with fixing pyqt |
14:47.26 | reenoo_ | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.1" rather |
14:47.43 | reenoo_ | soft float as such is enabled by TARGET_FPU = "soft" |
14:50.13 | gerwin | C compil er cannot create executables |
14:50.13 | gerwin | <PROTECTED> |
14:55.45 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: try this patch http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~rwagner/oe/missing-mipv6-bits.patch |
14:55.56 | reenoo_ | err |
14:56.03 | reenoo_ | http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~rwagner/oe/handhelds-pxa-mipv6.patch |
14:56.07 | reenoo_ | that one |
14:57.27 | anomaly_ | ok |
14:57.38 | anomaly_ | but it dies before it gets to compiling any modules.. |
14:59.30 | reenoo_ | what dies and what's the error you get? |
15:01.11 | anomaly_ | it dies on do_configure |
15:01.19 | anomaly_ | saying the defconfig-ipaqpxa is missing |
15:01.50 | anomaly_ | then when i copy it to there it dies when make calls scripts/Configure arch/arm/config.in |
15:02.33 | reenoo_ | you remembered to 'bk pull && bk -r co -q', right? |
15:02.41 | anomaly_ | yes |
15:02.48 | anomaly_ | have to wait if you want me to paste it, just started a clean one |
15:09.30 | CoreDump|home | is there any reason that we keep /u/l/ipkg/lists/oe in the ROM (created by roofs_ipk)? |
15:10.45 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: no. just oebuild clean the package (unless you've done so already), pull the latest code from bk, apply the patch, and rebuild handhelds-pxa |
15:11.20 | pb_ | CoreDump|home: no |
15:11.35 | CoreDump|home | thought so |
15:12.36 | anomaly_ | reenoo_: ok |
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15:17.07 | gerwin | I keep on having an error with building : |
15:17.21 | gerwin | C compiler cannot create executables |
15:17.26 | gerwin | See config.log |
15:17.44 | gerwin | Does somebody know how to solve this ? |
15:20.19 | reenoo_ | gerwin: unless you provide more info the answer is probably no. my only guess is that you host compiler/build environment is not (fully) installed/hosed/whatever |
15:20.32 | reenoo_ | s/that you/that your/ |
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15:37.07 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: does handhelds-pxa compile for you now? |
15:37.51 | anomaly_ | have to wait |
15:38.12 | anomaly_ | by clean i meant everything, to undo my tinkering |
15:38.20 | anomaly_ | rebuilding the cross tools at the moment |
15:38.55 | reenoo_ | heh |
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15:48.35 | gerwin | where can i find config.log ? |
15:54.19 | alban | its in packages/conf/ dfirectory there is a sample conf file |
15:54.49 | reenoo_ | alban: local.conf.sample has nothing to do with a config.log |
15:55.14 | alban | ahh SORRY I misread it ... |
15:56.02 | reenoo_ | gerwin: $OE_TMP/work/<packagename>/... |
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16:11.03 | kolla | uh-oh.. managed to mess up the keyboard layout :) |
16:14.03 | kolla | is there a way to reset keyboard layout? :) |
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16:14.52 | kolla | without booting that is |
16:18.28 | Bernardo | mickey|away: with konq/e, checking for cookies, some sites ask, the others don't... and logging into mail.yahoo.com always returns "Your browser doesn't have cookies enabled" |
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16:25.09 | reenoo_ | Bernardo: note that some sites are just broken. I've seen the same behaviour with earlier versions of galeon. |
16:26.02 | Bernardo | I also have cookie problems (can't login) with my home webmail server (openwebmail) |
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17:38.09 | hrw | re |
17:38.19 | hrw | Bernardo: some sites use JS to test cookies |
17:38.23 | Ralph | is there any 64/0 image (3.5.1) for poodle ? :-) |
17:38.52 | hrw | Ralph: poodle has 32MiB ram |
17:39.15 | Bernardo | hrw: I have js enabled in konq |
17:39.25 | Ralph | 5600 |
17:40.47 | hrw | Bernardo: maybe those site use borken js code |
17:41.38 | hrw | Ralph: poodle (zaurus 5600) has 64MiB flash (so called 'ROM') and 32MiB of RAM |
17:41.48 | Ralph | 5600 is colie or poodle ? |
17:41.55 | hrw | poodle |
17:41.56 | pb_ | ibot, poodle? |
17:41.56 | ibot | it has been said that poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
17:41.58 | Ralph | ok |
17:42.00 | hrw | collie is 5500 |
17:42.22 | hrw | Ralph: and kernels for collie are available in feed area? |
17:42.26 | pb_ | kergoth: do you know what native-kernel is for? |
17:42.38 | hrw | pb_: for MACHINE="native"? |
17:42.43 | Bernardo | hrw: it works on "regular" konqueror |
17:42.55 | hrw | Bernardo: regular konq is much newer... |
17:43.18 | hrw | Ralph: http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.1/sl5000,sl5500/ - 24/8, 32/0, 40/24, 48/16, 56/8, 64/0 kernels |
17:43.24 | Ralph | (i have poodle) ok ... can it be that installing into /home (32MB internal) is not working? |
17:43.30 | Bernardo | yep, but at least openwebmail has worked for me using konq, opera or mozilla/firefox for ages |
17:43.37 | Ralph | i have 5600 |
17:43.51 | hrw | Ralph: /home is not mounted? |
17:43.58 | Ralph | and for 5600 there is no 64/0 |
17:44.04 | Ralph | it is |
17:44.21 | hrw | Ralph: for 5600 64/0 is not possible as it has only 32MiB of ram |
17:44.25 | Ralph | its not linking probably ... |
17:44.41 | Ralph | 5500 has 64 MB Ram ? |
17:44.49 | hrw | Ralph: a... ipkg-link problems? tried "ipkg-link mount /home"? |
17:44.59 | Ralph | yes |
17:46.34 | hrw | I can't help you - didn't use ipkg-link |
17:47.08 | Ralph | what are you using ? |
17:50.16 | hrw | I have /opt/ symlinked to /mnt/cf/opt/ (which is second partition of cf card) |
17:51.21 | hrw | hmm.. ipkg doesn't know about conffiles? |
17:59.31 | CIA-5 | 03CoreDump 07 * r1.2403 10packages/opie-i18n/opie-i18n_1.1.6.oe: Update 1.1.6 translations and bump PR |
18:02.27 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2398.1.1 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg_6.8.oe: add xfonts-xorg to RDEPENDS |
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18:07.26 | hrw | ~nslookup 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:189 |
18:07.34 | hrw | ~nslookup6 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:189 |
18:11.33 | niklash | I'm having trouble compiling the new hh37 kernel. Can I make oemake use the older one instead, by setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER or something? |
18:12.06 | kergoth | PREFERRED_VERSION_packagename = "packageversion" |
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18:13.00 | gb2 | is there a working uml kernel in OE at the moment? |
18:14.10 | niklash | kergoth: Would that be PREFERRED_PROVIDER_handhelds_sa = "handhelds-sa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh36.12", or should I drop the second handhelds_sa? |
18:14.10 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2405 10packages/native/native-kernel.oe: set COMPATIBLE_HOST=${BUILD_SYS} |
18:14.38 | hrw | drop |
18:15.14 | kergoth | niklash: uh? |
18:15.20 | kergoth | read what i wrote again. |
18:15.24 | kergoth | i didnt say preferred provider. |
18:15.35 | niklash | kergoth: Oh. |
18:15.47 | kergoth | you want PREFERRED_VERSION_handhelds-sa = "2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh36.12" or whatever |
18:16.00 | niklash | OK. Thanks. |
18:16.16 | gb2 | hrm |
18:16.16 | gb2 | NOTICE: You are currently using an old version of BitKeeper (bk-3.2.0) |
18:16.16 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
18:16.16 | gb2 | <PROTECTED> |
18:16.22 | kergoth | heh |
18:16.25 | gb2 | yet, bitkeeper.com says 3.2.0 is newest |
18:16.30 | pb_ | doh |
18:16.52 | hrw | gb2: and download zone has 3.2.3 |
18:17.02 | gb2 | what's the direct url to it? |
18:17.03 | hrw | BitKeeper version is bk-3.2.3 20040818155841 for x86-glibc23-linux |
18:17.19 | hrw | gb2: bitmover.com/download/ iirc |
18:17.52 | gb2 | tnx |
18:18.22 | hrw | login/pass you probably have in mailbox somewhere |
18:19.40 | gb2 | hrw: i actually remembered that part |
18:22.33 | hrw | gb2: ;) |
18:24.01 | gb2 | takepatch: 8404 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 2369 files |
18:25.22 | pb_ | good grief |
18:25.26 | pb_ | gb2: keep up at the back there |
18:27.16 | gb2 | yeah |
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18:27.32 | gb2 | i hate being too busy to poke at stuff |
18:28.05 | kergoth | ugh, this install of this app in wine kept hanging at 15 or 16% |
18:28.06 | kergoth | couldnt figure out why |
18:28.08 | kergoth | then i realized |
18:28.14 | kergoth | i built this deiban install manually with debootstrap |
18:28.22 | kergoth | i forgot to fucking add my swap partition to fstab :\ |
18:28.26 | kergoth | 15% was the end of my ram |
18:28.27 | kergoth | hehe |
18:28.41 | pb_ | kergoth: doh |
18:30.13 | kergoth | i love linux. the fact that i could run for like a week without swap and only 256mb of ram makes me happy |
18:30.21 | kergoth | windows wouldve been into swap before i finished booting |
18:31.52 | niklash | kergoth: You should use my old Amiga then. I ran it for years without swap and only 6 MB swap... |
18:32.08 | niklash | 6 MB RAM, of course. |
18:32.14 | hrw | niklash: 2MiB chip + 4MiB Fast? |
18:32.24 | niklash | I wouldn't want to run OE on it, though :) |
18:32.30 | niklash | hrw: Yeah. |
18:32.30 | hrw | niklash: or linux ;) |
18:32.55 | hrw | niklash: amigaos use low resources. linux on amiga needs 8MiB fast mem |
18:33.24 | niklash | hrw: I have booted Linux on it, but it didn't feel useful enough to do anything more. |
18:33.47 | hrw | my amiga600 had 1, then 2MiB of ram. a1200 has 2, 2+8, 2+16, 2+32, 2+48, 2+64 mem |
18:33.49 | niklash | I think maybe I nicked an 8 MB SIMM from an old 32 MB PC. |
18:34.16 | hrw | s/has/had |
18:35.57 | niklash | You must have used yours longer than me, or had a lot more money... (I was quite young and poor back then.) |
18:36.13 | hrw | niklash: amiga with 040/40 and 48MiB fastmem is even usable under linux - but without x11 on native chips |
18:36.49 | hrw | niklash: I bought a600 in 1995, in 1998 sold and bought a1200, then added 030, later 040 and in 2001 I sold a1200 and bought pc |
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18:37.55 | niklash | I thought it's possible to run X11 on the chips in an A1200. Probably not with the highest resolution. |
18:41.34 | hrw | niklash: it is but very slow |
18:42.20 | hrw | niklash: I used it to check is it possible and to run some apps on friend machine (remote x11) |
18:43.05 | niklash | hrw: That wouldn't surprise me. I remember reducing the colordepth to 16 or 32 colors in AmigaOS to increase the speed of the machine. I think the problem is that high bit depths eats memory bandwidth. |
18:43.43 | hrw | niklash: even 640x480x4bit in x11 was slow on a1200 |
18:44.39 | niklash | hrw: I think I'll just leave it in the closet for now. |
18:45.04 | hrw | niklash: now it is unsellable |
18:46.23 | niklash | I think my Athlon XP 1700+ with 768 MB ram beats a 50 MHz 68020 with 10 MB. |
18:46.59 | niklash | hrw: Maybe in a 100 years, they'll have collectors value. (If you want to waste the space until then...) |
18:47.38 | hrw | niklash: if it will run and have original box.. then maybe |
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18:48.04 | hrw | half year ago I saw original unpacked Atari 2600 on ebay - sold for thousands.. |
18:48.19 | chouimat | ouch |
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18:49.35 | niklash | Who saves boxes. Also, I've cut the metal in it to be able to fit in a 3.5" harddrive, of a full gigabyte. I never even filled that drive. |
18:50.20 | niklash | I recently bought a 160 GB drive, and have almost filled it in a couple of months. (I wonder where all this space has gone.) |
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18:58.47 | niklash | I get parse errors while building gpe-package. Has anyone seen this, and know what the problem is? |
19:00.42 | reenoo_ | ~today |
19:00.43 | ibot | I don't know what today is, but it probably sucks. |
19:01.03 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2406 10packages/xxf86dgaext/xxf86dgaext_cvs.oe: add Xxf86dgaExt |
19:01.26 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
19:01.26 | ibot | kergoth: :) |
19:01.34 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2407 10packages/libxxf86dga/libxxf86dga_cvs.oe: add libXxf86dga |
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19:06.44 | hrw|afk | niklash: in my amiga I had 17.4GB disk and nearly full |
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19:11.02 | CoreDump|home | my A1200 had a 80Mb (!!) drive, and it rocked :) |
19:11.50 | hrw|afk | CoreDump|home: 2.5"? |
19:12.04 | CoreDump|home | AFAIR yes |
19:12.27 | CoreDump|home | oh and i had an external CD-ROM heh |
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19:12.41 | Bernardo | re |
19:12.46 | CoreDump|home | god i loved that machine |
19:12.50 | CoreDump|home | wb Bernardo |
19:13.08 | hrw|afk | hi Bernardo |
19:13.19 | Bernardo | anyone wants a adsl isp? only fails most of sunday... |
19:13.27 | CoreDump|home | :) |
19:13.33 | niklash | CoreDump|home: Must have been quite a difference from mine. I even ran it quite a while without a harddrive at all. |
19:13.40 | hrw|afk | CoreDump|home: I liked it too - but one day I wanted to add gfx card and realized that upgrading amiga costs more then new pc |
19:14.02 | hrw|afk | Bernardo: my isp is good for me |
19:14.12 | CoreDump|home | hrw|afk: yes, that sucked. I wanted an A4000 soooo bad :) |
19:14.25 | Bernardo | I already changed isps because the previous isp tech support sucked |
19:14.46 | hrw|afk | CoreDump|home: I planned rather a3000 + gfx + cpu board with 040 |
19:15.06 | niklash | My build problem with gpe-package seems to come from a definition of a header for strndup. This gets replaced by a lot of code by the preprocessor, which generates a parse error. |
19:15.06 | pb_ | any of you c++ dudes know where "streamoff" is declared? |
19:15.26 | CoreDump|home | my A1200 had a 030 expansion card |
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19:16.31 | niklash | Question is: should HAVE_STRNDUP be defined? |
19:16.52 | pb_ | Yes. |
19:17.24 | niklash | pb_: Then the next question is where. |
19:17.31 | hrw|afk | CoreDump|home: I got 030/50, then 040/40 |
19:18.18 | CoreDump|home | i wish i hadn't sold the machine :( |
19:18.36 | niklash | pb_: grep -r says streamoff is defined in streambuf.h. |
19:18.48 | niklash | Not that I'm a C++ dude. |
19:19.05 | hrw|afk | CoreDump|home: today a1200 is <20USD |
19:19.21 | CoreDump|home | i know :) |
19:19.34 | CoreDump|home | but what would i do with it? |
19:20.22 | reenoo_ | pb_: <ios> |
19:20.43 | reenoo_ | if I interpret stroustrup correctly that is |
19:20.51 | hrw|afk | CoreDump|home: nothing rather.. for vt100 terminal it is worse then i386 box (or true vt100 terminal) |
19:20.59 | pb_ | niklash, reenoo_: thanks |
19:21.21 | CoreDump|home | i'll settle w/ my laptop then heh |
19:21.42 | niklash | HAVE_STRNDUP is defined in libipkg/config.h. Seems that must be included somewhere. |
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19:25.17 | mickey|tv | hmm |
19:25.25 | mickey|tv | no gpe-image for me |
19:25.29 | mickey|tv | can't get libgnome to build |
19:25.35 | mickey|tv | it's looking for gconftool-2 |
19:25.42 | mickey|tv | which i don't have |
19:25.48 | mickey|tv | do we have gconftool-native ? |
19:25.55 | mickey|tv | | checking for gconftool-2... no |
19:25.56 | mickey|tv | | configure: error: gconftool-2 executable not found in your path - should be installed with GConf |
19:25.56 | hrw|afk | hmm.. how to get "1.9.6-cvs" newer then "1.9.6-r0"... |
19:26.27 | kergoth | hrw|afk: name it 1.9.6+cvs${CVSDATE} or someting |
19:26.33 | hrw|afk | will try |
19:28.07 | hrw|afk | btw - during week I get new user of OE - he build image for simpad |
19:28.18 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: any luck with handhelds-pxa now? |
19:28.58 | anomaly_ | just finished the toolchain etc, patching now |
19:29.04 | anomaly_ | -p1? |
19:29.47 | anomaly_ | oh nm |
19:30.00 | anomaly_ | single file patch, thought it was a patch against the kernel tree |
19:30.41 | reenoo_ | cd packages && patch -p0 < /path/to/patch |
19:30.51 | anomaly_ | k |
19:31.06 | reenoo_ | err |
19:31.10 | reenoo_ | p1 rather |
19:31.13 | reenoo_ | -p1 |
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19:31.35 | anomaly_ | Get file linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.oe from SCCS with lock? [y] |
19:31.54 | anomaly_ | just assume defaults the whole way through i take it? |
19:32.28 | kergoth | ? |
19:34.08 | anomaly_ | nm |
19:34.28 | anomaly_ | building now |
19:40.39 | anomaly_ | | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `ipv6_syms.c', needed by `ipv6_syms.o'. Stop. |
19:41.46 | anomaly_ | got alot further than last time though |
19:42.16 | emte | why is ipv6 enabled in the kernel anyway? |
19:42.34 | emte | i think i asked before and no one awnswered ... |
19:42.52 | joshua_ | pb_: any status updates on your epia-oe box? |
19:43.35 | pb_ | joshua_: it's working well |
19:44.03 | joshua_ | cool. did you have to do any special configuration hacks? |
19:44.07 | pb_ | emte: so that you can, er, connect to ipv6 networks. |
19:44.45 | pb_ | joshua_: yeah, a couple. I need to straighten those out. |
19:44.50 | pb_ | mostly lirc configuration |
19:44.51 | joshua_ | cool. |
19:45.05 | emte | wasnt aware most people use ipv6 nowadys |
19:45.19 | joshua_ | once I finish my partition mess so that I have sufficient disk space to build oe, I will give it a shot for my me-6000. |
19:45.25 | pb_ | cool |
19:45.29 | pb_ | I think me6000 is the same one I have |
19:45.33 | kergoth | sspeaking of which, forgot to install freenet6 |
19:45.40 | emte | lol |
19:45.59 | kergoth | debfoster is nice, trying to actually keep my debian box clean for once |
19:46.03 | joshua_ | pb_: says epia-m on the board, and is fanless? |
19:46.14 | _Psycho | hey vmware is cool, finnaly everything work |
19:46.15 | pb_ | yeah |
19:46.24 | hrw|afk | kergoth: and deborphan, aptitude |
19:46.28 | joshua_ | cool. what are you using for storage? |
19:46.35 | pb_ | network |
19:46.36 | joshua_ | also, what are you using as an x server? |
19:46.41 | reenoo_ | anomaly_: sure you applied that patch? 'grep missing packages/linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.oe' |
19:46.43 | kergoth | hrw|afk: yeah |
19:46.46 | pb_ | joshua_: xserver-xorg |
19:46.50 | joshua_ | ah, okay |
19:46.57 | pb_ | fwiw, "oemake mythfront-image" will get you the bits I'm using |
19:47.16 | joshua_ | cool. |
19:47.21 | hrw|afk | possibility to do do_install_append() in .oe is great |
19:47.25 | kergoth | hm, hanging setting up sit1 |
19:47.25 | anomaly_ | yes i applied the patch |
19:47.37 | anomaly_ | [anomaly@dip-202-173-142-212 openembedded]$ grep missing packages/linux/handhelds-pxa_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.oe |
19:47.40 | anomaly_ | <PROTECTED> |
19:47.58 | pb_ | did you oebuild clean prior to compiling? |
19:48.04 | anomaly_ | yes |
19:48.40 | _Psycho | hey man i didnt updated my debian for 3 months |
19:48.40 | emte | if its relevent it did the same thing last time i tried it as well |
19:48.46 | anomaly_ | but when i do oebuild clean... |
19:48.47 | emte | i just manually disabled ipv6 |
19:48.50 | kergoth | grr |
19:48.52 | anomaly_ | $ oebuild clean handhelds-pxa |
19:48.52 | anomaly_ | ERROR: InvalidTask event exception, aborting |
19:49.09 | kergoth | anomaly_: oebuild takes a .oe *file*, not a package name |
19:49.16 | kergoth | anomaly_: oemake -c clean handhelds-pxa if you want that |
19:49.25 | anomaly_ | ta |
19:49.41 | anomaly_ | i'll try it again |
19:53.41 | pb_ | joshua_: as it happens, in the interests of more storage for TV programmes I just added an nslu2 (which is also supported in oe) to my network. |
19:54.06 | pb_ | so, my next mission is to make that work properly. |
19:57.06 | kergoth | pb_: the main thing with the nslu2 is getting the bits for its network processors in |
19:57.18 | kergoth | the licensing on it is iffy |
19:57.28 | kergoth | i need to check in the bits for distribution conditional on LICENSE before we add that to oe |
19:57.40 | kergoth | so the sources dont inadvertantly end up on the mirror |
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19:58.29 | joshua_ | pb_: ah, slick. |
19:59.20 | pb_ | kergoth: right |
19:59.40 | pb_ | joshua_: yah, it's a cute piece of hardware. just a shame it doesn't support NFS out of the box, or I'd be all set. |
19:59.44 | kergoth | other than that, it works pretty well. people are playing around with current 2.6 on it |
19:59.57 | joshua_ | ooh, cool. it's an xscale. nifty |
20:00.26 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah, I noticed we seem to have several nslu2 kernels in oe now |
20:00.42 | pb_ | joshua_: yup, funky big-endian xscale |
20:00.43 | kergoth | pb_: they have a local clone of oe and packages on nslu2-linux.bkbits.net |
20:00.50 | joshua_ | did they register a real mach_type? |
20:00.53 | kergoth | pb_: where they do things and then have me pull it over |
20:01.12 | kergoth | joshua_: yes, but they havent switched to it, since the current redboot passes a different #, and not all users will want to replace it |
20:01.15 | joshua_ | pb_: hm. I thought xscale/* was endian-switchable? |
20:01.23 | joshua_ | kergoth: *sigh* |
20:01.41 | pb_ | joshua_: only in the same sense that strongarm is |
20:03.10 | joshua_ | pb_: what protocol does the nslu2 talk? smb I assume? |
20:03.18 | pb_ | right |
20:03.30 | joshua_ | oh, well, you can just mount smbfs.. |
20:03.59 | pb_ | yeah, I could do, but I'd prefer to have a filesystem that didn't shred my ownerships and permissions. |
20:04.05 | joshua_ | hm |
20:04.31 | joshua_ | I guess you could use a loopback block device, but I think that performance would really start sucking at that point. |
20:04.40 | pb_ | if I was just using it for bulk data storage, smb would be fine, but I want to be able to put /home on that machine. |
20:05.32 | joshua_ | ah. |
20:06.06 | pb_ | and, much though nfs sucks, it's still probably the best option for that right now. |
20:06.23 | joshua_ | how's playback performance with xorg on the me6000? could just barely get a 640x480 divx out of kdrive-via+mplayer on my me6000.. |
20:06.31 | pb_ | works fine |
20:06.42 | pb_ | I'm watching TV on my epia right now |
20:06.45 | joshua_ | awesome. |
20:07.38 | joshua_ | ok, speaking of epias, I'm going to go downstairs and dremel out the last couple bits for the back panel of the case I'm building for it. |
20:07.41 | hrw|afk | pb_: so epia + monitor + keys + mouse give me quiet terminal? |
20:07.45 | pb_ | sure |
20:08.10 | reenoo_ | hmm... would the nslu2 be able to handle svn over webdav? (in terms of computing power) |
20:08.22 | joshua_ | hrw|afk: oh yeah. it's pretty nice. |
20:08.29 | pb_ | reenoo_: dunno. do you know what the requirements are like? |
20:09.02 | joshua_ | hrw|afk: add a 12v supply, a battery, and a stepdown, and you've got a few hours if the power goes out, too. |
20:09.44 | reenoo_ | pb_: dunno. a friend of mine brought that question up once. probably needs apache2 plus the webdav stuff |
20:10.50 | reenoo_ | hrw|afk: I'd prefer one of these for that: http://www.mini-itx.com/news/nanode/ |
20:11.01 | hrw|afk | joshua_: maybe in few months (after buying flat and some home stuff).... |
20:11.57 | treke|home | it's an IX425 cpu |
20:12.06 | treke|home | IXP425 |
20:13.59 | anomaly_ | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /home/anomaly/openembedded/tmp/work/handhelds-pxa-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37-r0/image/lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o |
20:14.10 | anomaly_ | still running though |
20:14.15 | treke|home | I think a 266mhz one |
20:14.16 | pb_ | that's harmless (ish) |
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20:15.25 | anomaly_ | seems to have worked then |
20:15.30 | anomaly_ | packaging up the modules |
20:16.44 | reenoo_ | neat |
20:17.39 | anomaly_ | NOTE: package handhelds-pxa: build completed |
20:17.42 | anomaly_ | thanks |
20:18.12 | reenoo_ | wtf? it's 10pm |
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20:33.50 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2408 10packages/snes9x/ (snes9x/private.patch snes9x_1.43-WIP1.oe): snes9x build fixes |
20:40.18 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2409 10packages/xserver/xserver-xorg/epia/xorg.conf: update PAL modelines |
20:47.50 | kolla | hm.. what magic does cardctl do to load the modules? when I try to load the hostap or orinico modules manually, all I get is "unknown symbol" errors |
20:48.22 | mickeyl | you're using modprobe or insmod? |
20:48.31 | kolla | any, same result |
20:48.58 | mickeyl | cardctl modprobes the modules in the order listed in the .conf file |
20:49.10 | kolla | hm.. |
20:50.08 | kolla | which .conf file? |
20:51.48 | mickeyl | all of them |
20:51.53 | kolla | ok :) |
20:51.57 | mickeyl | |/etc/pcmcia/*.conf |
20:53.41 | kergoth | http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl?c=ACCT139057&it=A&id=527 |
20:53.43 | kergoth | that is cool |
20:53.55 | kergoth | bluetooth headset / mp3 player with sd slot |
20:54.04 | emte | i wish the pcmcia expansion plus paks wernt so expensive |
20:54.47 | hrw | Upgrading kapi on root from 1.9.6-r0 to 1.9.6+20041001-r0... |
20:54.51 | hrw | yeah ;) |
20:55.27 | mickeyl | ya, that rocks |
20:55.33 | mickeyl | although pricey |
20:55.57 | kergoth | bt headsets in general are pricey though |
20:55.57 | kergoth | heh |
20:57.20 | kolla | is that MSI? |
20:57.21 | hrw | hmm.. must look how my fstab looks after upgrade |
20:57.24 | kolla | I know MSI has one |
20:57.33 | CIA-5 | 03hrw 07 * r1.2402.1.1 10packages/kdepimpi/kdepimpi_cvs.oe: kdepim/pi: updated to upstream changed library names |
20:57.37 | hrw | uf.. not touched this time |
20:58.06 | hrw | time to go sleep |
20:58.12 | mickeyl | g'night hrw |
20:58.43 | hrw | mickeyl: btw - I'm unable to build visiscript - logs tommorow |
20:58.53 | mickeyl | k |
21:00.02 | CIA-5 | 03pb 07 * r1.2408.1.1 10packages/conf/ (epia.conf tune-c3.conf): add tune-c3.conf, and make epia.conf use it |
21:05.52 | kolla | hm.. why does cardctl unload the modules when I kill it? |
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21:11.06 | sonix` | www.flight404.com |
21:11.09 | sonix` | this website is so tight |
21:11.16 | sonix` | i found it randomly in google |
21:12.47 | emte | we have support for the pharos CF wireless card? |
21:13.28 | emte | and gps while i am askng |
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21:14.43 | kolla | I use gps with my phone :) |
21:15.25 | sonix` | why |
21:15.38 | emte | everyone uses/has gps in thier phone |
21:15.50 | emte | that is how they trace them |
21:16.03 | CoreDump|home | lol |
21:16.21 | emte | part of the anti-terrorism movement |
21:17.22 | emte | i am hoping then that the lynksys CF wireless is supported |
21:18.02 | emte | i'd really like a pcmcia pack but its $80 more then a CF one |
21:18.03 | anomaly_ | most prism based cf cards work fine with hostap drivers |
21:18.29 | anomaly_ | dunno about other cf chipsets |
21:18.33 | emte | would it say if it were prism based? |
21:18.50 | anomaly_ | dunno |
21:19.32 | CIA-5 | 03CoreDump 07 * r1.2407.1.1 10packages/vera-fonts/ (4 files): Add bitstream-vera-sans-mono 50 and 75 fonts |
21:19.32 | anomaly_ | sure you'd find the chipset for your model on google somewhere |
21:19.32 | emte | is there a list of known prism cards somewhere> |
21:19.51 | Bernardo | mickeyl: any luck with the simpad? |
21:19.58 | mickeyl | no |
21:20.05 | anomaly_ | i haven't heard of any non-prism cf cards yet |
21:20.07 | Bernardo | emte: yes, there is Jean Tourillhes page, let me check |
21:20.12 | mickeyl | i'm waiting for zecke to come back from holiday |
21:20.19 | kolla | what I meant was that I have a bluetooth gps that I use with my phone |
21:20.23 | mickeyl | he is most familiar with recent simpad stuff |
21:20.40 | kolla | it draws nice maps of where I am going :) |
21:20.47 | CIA-5 | 03reenoo 07 * r1.2388.1.1 10packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): handhelds-pxa, handhelds-sa: define CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=m instead of CONFIG_IPV6_IPV6_TUNNEL=m in defconfigs; see http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/232/23263.html for details |
21:21.26 | kolla | heh.. ipv6 is on topic now? :) |
21:21.29 | kolla | nice :) |
21:22.06 | CIA-5 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.2407.2.1 10packages/qscintilla/qscintilla_1.60-gpl-1.3.oe: fix qscintilla (hence visicript) |
21:24.58 | emte | hmm maybe i'll have to email pharos |
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21:31.49 | reenoo_ | kolla: that simply happens to be the place where I found the patch in question |
21:32.38 | emte | well we will see if they respond |
21:32.40 | df00z | is there a variable that points to the kernel include dir? |
21:35.33 | emte | ? |
21:35.50 | kergoth | df00z: read oe.conf. |
21:36.04 | emte | or the Makefile in the kernel dir |
21:36.19 | pb_ | the Makefile wouldn't help him here. |
21:36.40 | Luke-Jr | Is anyone working on porting kismet to OE? |
21:37.14 | kolla | porting? isnt it just a matter of compiling? |
21:38.24 | Luke-Jr | adding a .oe |
21:38.26 | df00z | mmk |
21:38.34 | Luke-Jr | one that works w/ OE's build system |
21:40.20 | emte | Luke-Jr: why dont you add the oe? |
21:41.10 | emte | i am sure df00z would be happy to tell you what a basic oe looks liek |
21:41.14 | emte | like* |
21:42.02 | Luke-Jr | I can tell what they look like |
21:43.10 | mickeyl | probably noone finds kismet interesting enough to add an .oe for it |
21:43.12 | emte | so whats the story morning-glory? |
21:43.35 | emte | i am guessing kismet is a kde app myself |
21:43.45 | Luke-Jr | no |
21:43.50 | Luke-Jr | Wireless sniffer |
21:43.50 | emte | whatever it is i dont use it |
21:44.16 | emte | ah |
21:44.26 | emte | there are a few wireless sniffing tools |
21:44.33 | Luke-Jr | oh? |
21:46.50 | mickeyl | the gpe folks have their prismstumbler and the opie folks use wellenreiter II |
21:47.12 | emte | yeah i was just gonna say that |
21:47.20 | emte | had to grab my espresso first |
21:47.33 | emte | but if he wants a website to read |
21:47.36 | emte | http://www.remote-exploit.org/?page=wellenreiter |
21:48.11 | mickeyl | actually more like www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
21:48.20 | emte | yeah that too |
21:48.44 | emte | kinda looks like its written by you :P |
21:48.51 | mickeyl | might be ;) |
21:49.43 | emte | you souldnta said that ... now if i get picogui to behave i might ask for it ... |
21:49.45 | emte | :P |
21:50.03 | Luke-Jr | mickeyl: no console stuff? |
21:50.20 | mickeyl | Luke-Jr: no |
21:50.29 | emte | pda arnt exactly console friendly |
21:50.43 | Luke-Jr | mine is... |
21:50.53 | Luke-Jr | moreso than GUI |
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21:51.08 | emte | your touchscreen broke? |
21:51.18 | Luke-Jr | no |
21:51.26 | Luke-Jr | but Konqueror doesn't support cookies |
21:51.28 | Luke-Jr | and Links does |
21:51.41 | emte | use dillo |
21:52.24 | Luke-Jr | wellenreiter isn't in oe either |
21:52.41 | Luke-Jr | dillo is GPEish, it seems |
21:52.52 | Luke-Jr | GPE image is broken on C760 |
21:53.14 | emte | dillo requires gtk i belive yes but not full gpe |
21:53.26 | Luke-Jr | GTK doesn't work w/ Opie last I checked |
21:53.41 | CoreDump|home | Luke-Jr: +mhentges@chroot01:~/OpenEmbedded/packages >lgrep well |
21:53.41 | CoreDump|home | opie-wellenreiter |
21:54.03 | Luke-Jr | oops... missed a * in my ls |
21:54.21 | emte | well i suppose if you have room you could allways use mozilla |
21:54.22 | Luke-Jr | But then the problem is that libopie2 fails to compile a lot |
21:54.34 | Luke-Jr | Mozilla is no more Opie-friendly |
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21:55.01 | emte | lol, you could fix that you know |
21:55.10 | Luke-Jr | No I can't |
21:55.33 | Luke-Jr | fixing X on C760 is beyond me (at least, taking time into consideration) |
21:55.36 | emte | you dont have a system to crosscompile oe on? |
21:56.04 | Luke-Jr | I do |
21:56.12 | Luke-Jr | However: |
21:56.15 | emte | so waiting for someone else to fix it is faster?> |
21:56.34 | Luke-Jr | yes, since I lack the time to research what is wrong and how to fix it |
21:56.46 | Luke-Jr | and 2. apparently my 1 GB of RAM is too little for OE to work sanely |
21:56.57 | emte | is anyone else working on/with a C7xx ? |
21:57.28 | mickeyl | i'm not much interested in gpe, but i'm currently running a build for shepherd to look at its status on that device |
21:57.50 | CoreDump|home | Luke-Jr: 1GB RAM works for me |
21:58.38 | Luke-Jr | Using ~2.5 GB RAM total (incl swap) |
21:58.49 | emte | Mem: 772128k av works fine for me |
21:59.10 | emte | wait |
21:59.20 | emte | you have 1gb ram and 1.5 gb swap? |
21:59.23 | Luke-Jr | X alone is using 94 MB of RAM on my box |
21:59.29 | Luke-Jr | I have 1 GB RAM and 4 GB swap |
21:59.33 | Luke-Jr | 1.5 GB swap is used |
21:59.45 | CoreDump|home | heh i'm running on 250Mb of swap |
21:59.50 | emte | you know what happens if you overbuffer? |
22:00.04 | Luke-Jr | overbuffer?? |
22:00.31 | emte | basicly your writting more into swap then you can hold in your ram |
22:00.45 | emte | your swap is slower tehn your ram |
22:00.56 | Luke-Jr | Last I checked, that was the purpose of swap |
22:01.14 | emte | your systme starts slowing down when it overcaches instructions |
22:01.17 | emte | system* |
22:01.37 | Luke-Jr | so how do I fix that? |
22:01.52 | kergoth | i've never had problems running builds on boxes with 512mb of ram |
22:01.54 | emte | resize your swap to equal or less then your ram |
22:01.58 | kergoth | and what, 1 gig of swap i think it is |
22:02.15 | Luke-Jr | emte: Then my apps will start being killed since I won't have enough RAM for them |
22:02.35 | kergoth | what the hell do you run that uses that kind of ram? |
22:02.36 | emte | you running oracle? |
22:02.41 | Luke-Jr | X, KDE |
22:02.46 | kergoth | i ran this box with 256mb of ram and no swap for like a week with no problems |
22:02.50 | Luke-Jr | times 4 |
22:02.56 | emte | x and kde will run on 24mb ram |
22:03.06 | Luke-Jr | X uses ~100 MB RAM here alone |
22:03.11 | emte | slow but possible |
22:03.14 | CoreDump|home | Luke-Jr: i don't know what else you are running on that box, but i seldom hit swap w/ 1GB RAM |
22:03.14 | Luke-Jr | for a single instance |
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22:03.33 | Luke-Jr | my top RAM usage ATM: |
22:03.40 | Luke-Jr | 1. 61% of RAM -- python/OE |
22:03.49 | Luke-Jr | (612 MB res) |
22:04.03 | emte | oracle and maybe vmware are the onlythings i can thinkof with that high of a memory req |
22:04.10 | Luke-Jr | 2. 33 MB res (it dropped?) -- X |
22:04.29 | Luke-Jr | 3. 91 MB res -- xchat-2 |
22:04.40 | Luke-Jr | err... xchat is 22 |
22:04.49 | Luke-Jr | 4. 19 MB res -- kontact * 2 |
22:06.23 | Luke-Jr | Anyway.. wellenreiter should do WEP-cracking? o.o |
22:06.42 | vegiestu | Hi. I've been looking at "79: Zaurus loses symlinks to libraries installed on SD on reboot" on the bug tracker. Has the problem come up on this channel? |
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22:07.29 | emte | Luke-Jr: wouldnt that mean OE advocates illegal activities? |
22:07.46 | kergoth | oe is a build tool. perhaps you're thinking of OZ |
22:07.47 | joshua_ | wep crackinig in and of itself is not illegal |
22:07.48 | Luke-Jr | emte: WEP cracking isn't illegal |
22:08.26 | joshua_ | hmm |
22:08.33 | emte | since when has network intrusion been legal? |
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22:08.46 | mickeyl | no, wellenreiter does not do wep cracking |
22:08.50 | mickeyl | and i might add, will never do. |
22:08.56 | joshua_ | I should create a .oe for distcc-image... |
22:09.17 | joshua_ | emte: network intrusion is illegal.. wep cracking is not network intrusion though. until you transmit a packet with the sniffed wep key, you are OK |
22:10.00 | emte | so digital possesion doesnt apply to keys? |
22:10.26 | emte | possesion isnt intrusion tho your right |
22:10.27 | Luke-Jr | wtc is digital possession? |
22:10.40 | emte | possesion of goods |
22:11.08 | emte | if you stole them or not still makes you chargable |
22:11.11 | Luke-Jr | copying a key doesn't cause the original key-maker to stop possessing it |
22:11.15 | Luke-Jr | you can't steal information |
22:11.22 | emte | no? |
22:11.35 | vegiestu | Kergoth - The bug was posted on bugs.openembedded.org. Tried adding a comment on how to fix the problem bug got "permission denied". |
22:11.41 | emte | then why do licenses exist? |
22:12.12 | Luke-Jr | In most cases, to allow companies to practice unfair monopolistic power on consumers |
22:12.26 | reenoo_ | emte, Luke-Jr: would you guys mind moving that discussion to #wardriving-ethics or something? |
22:12.27 | Luke-Jr | In others, to protect the rights of users to modify and share it |
22:12.56 | kergoth | vegiestu: hm, i'll check, can give guest access to comment |
22:12.59 | emte | hey theres reenoo_ was your patch to fix the ipv6 compile error? |
22:13.12 | emte | for the pxa |
22:13.28 | vegiestu | Kergoth - that'd be great. Thanks! |
22:13.32 | gerwin | The problem persists : in config.log I find confdefs.h. configure failed program was : |
22:13.52 | gerwin | Somebody who can help me ? |
22:14.04 | reenoo_ | emte: read what I posted on the list |
22:14.13 | emte | there is a list? |
22:14.19 | emte | can i have a url |
22:15.46 | reenoo_ | hh.org -> mailing lists |
22:16.22 | emte | urg ... |
22:16.32 | emte | nm i'll hope you did |
22:16.44 | emte | i get enough email without more mailing lists |
22:19.11 | Twiun | doing bootstrap-image... in the middle of gettext-native |
22:21.07 | Twiun | I just need a base image ;) |
22:21.13 | Twiun | no GUI required |
22:24.18 | Bernardo|zzzzz | 'night |
22:24.29 | reenoo_ | emte: basically oebuild clean /path/to/handhelds-pxa.oe, rm /path/to/sources/<handhelds-kernel-tarball+md5sum>, bk pull |
22:24.35 | reenoo_ | 'night Bernardo|zzzzz |
22:25.05 | reenoo_ | anyways |
22:25.11 | reenoo_ | I'm off to bed. 'night all |
22:25.52 | Twiun | g'night |
22:32.52 | gerwin | n8 all |
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23:25.07 | emte | we need a locatejunk app |
23:25.31 | emte | where it magically locates anything inyour house for you |
23:27.12 | emte | although it would probably always reply "in a box" for me and it would be right ... |
23:30.02 | emte | well i found my usb-media reader ... doesnt work too well as a protoboard tho |
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23:45.25 | evanchsa_ | What environment variables must I have set so that I don't see: ImportError: No module named oe |
23:47.05 | emte | you need to source your enviroment file |
23:48.27 | evanchsa_ | emte, Thanks, yes I know that. Which environment variables control where oemake looks for additional Python includes |
23:49.08 | evanchsa_ | emte, Even in the $OESYS/bin dir, I can't execute oemake without that error and the oe module is in the current dir. |
23:49.44 | emte | i take it you skipped the part about oe-env ? |
23:51.33 | emte | http://www.openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/GettingStartedEnvironmentScript |
23:52.12 | evanchsa_ | emte, Yes, I've used that. Its not good at all. |
23:52.32 | emte | how did you use that? |
23:53.13 | emte | generally most people edit it then: source oe-env |
23:53.30 | emte | which if it works places you in your build directory |
23:54.14 | emte | if it doesnt work then none of oemake will work eitehr |
23:55.08 | emte | damnit where is that board |
23:55.17 | evanchsa_ | emte, I can execute oemake and the rest of the stuff from anywhere on the system and I removed the cd $OEBUILD line because that's annoying. |
23:55.37 | evanchsa_ | emte, but I have OEROOT, OESYS, PKGDIR OEBUILD all set correctly |
23:57.33 | emte | and now it wont source your local.conf because your not in the corect directory |
23:57.34 | gerwin | :( |
23:57.43 | gerwin | I keep on having this compiler erro |
23:57.44 | gerwin | r |
23:58.07 | gerwin | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
23:58.07 | gerwin | | See `config.log' for more details. |
23:58.07 | gerwin | | FATAL: oe_runconf failed |
23:58.07 | gerwin | NOTE: Task failed: |
23:58.07 | gerwin | ERROR: package base-passwd-3.5.7-r1: task do_configure failed |
23:58.08 | gerwin | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
23:58.14 | emte | where ever your trying to do everything from your going to have to move build/conf to where your working |
23:58.40 | gerwin | Does somebody know how to solve this ? |
23:59.07 | emte | yes, but i am not sure you want the only way i know how to fix it |
23:59.31 | gerwin | emte how should if fix it ? |
23:59.54 | df00z | Arg. |
23:59.54 | emte | your host gcc has been compiled to diable user-compiled exicutables |