| 00:00.40 | emte | reason i ask is that i have a course in building bootloaders comming up in a couple of quarters |
| 00:03.26 | emte | hmm there is a palm-linux ... |
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| 00:07.57 | emte | WARNING. The PalmLoader (which uClinuxPalm.prc uses) erases all of your handhelds RAM. It doesn't however touch your ROM/Flash, so regardless you can "reset" and get back to a "factory" PalmOS with no data. Always do a complete backup before running. This is alpha software and as such comes with no warranty of any kind. |
| 00:08.00 | emte | interesting |
| 00:08.26 | emte | so if you drain your battery good-bye linux |
| 00:08.36 | emte | sounds like a normal palm device |
| 00:09.25 | emte | 4/23/2001 - Just recently put picoGui on my Helio... works well and I'm looking forward to putting iv (vi replacement from handhelds.org) in the distribution and eventually making it work for Palm Linux also. |
| 00:09.40 | emte | looks like they arre/were using part of familiar ... |
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| 00:13.08 | icefox | Hey everyone, long time no see |
| 00:13.40 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 00:13.47 | kergoth | how's life? |
| 00:13.54 | icefox | Good, working in NYC now |
| 00:14.00 | kergoth | cool, where at? |
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| 00:14.08 | icefox | SIAC, making the NYSE machines |
| 00:14.18 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:15.01 | icefox | Finsihed the embeded linux project at Symbol at which they really wern't going to do any more linux stuff and I was going to start doing Windows CE stuff and was getting job offers... so I jumped |
| 00:15.09 | icefox | How is oe? |
| 00:15.49 | kergoth | good. openzaurus 3.5.1 released in console, gpe, and opie incarnations |
| 00:15.57 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/SuccessStories shows the current folks using it |
| 00:16.07 | kergoth | s/it/oe/ |
| 00:16.12 | icefox | cool, every once in a while I get an e-mail with a question about my apps that are still on my website |
| 00:16.31 | kergoth | i never use my zauruses, but i use oe built root filesystems on OMAP dev boards and stuff |
| 00:17.20 | icefox | you working for HP or TI? |
| 00:17.24 | kergoth | ti |
| 00:17.41 | kergoth | in their omap software group. doing driver bringup and stuff on new OMAP processors and dev boards |
| 00:17.57 | kergoth | mostly boring, occasionally get to do something interesting |
| 00:18.13 | icefox | hehe sounds like a job |
| 00:18.18 | kergoth | yep |
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| 00:18.28 | Servo888 | afternoon all |
| 00:18.38 | kergoth | hey Servo888 |
| 00:18.45 | Servo888 | Hey there |
| 00:18.53 | kergoth | icefox: so what else is new? married life still treating you well? |
| 00:18.55 | icefox | After the Zaurus I was really disalusioned about it all and really just dropped out |
| 00:19.02 | kergoth | yeah, know how ya feel there |
| 00:19.50 | icefox | yah, still happily married, more transformers then ever. Own a mac (well my wife does, but I'll be getting one real soon), comuting on the train everyday gives you lots of time to read, and the usual tons of kde hacking all the time |
| 00:19.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:20.01 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 00:20.54 | icefox | been teaching jen to drive a stick |
| 00:21.02 | icefox | that was been fun |
| 00:21.24 | kergoth | i bet |
| 00:21.44 | icefox | She likes the sport Brume brakes on the G35 much more then the saturns :) |
| 00:22.09 | icefox | What about you? |
| 00:22.15 | icefox | All moved, having fun in TX? |
| 00:22.22 | kergoth | i've been wrapped up in work for what seems like years. finally got out and enjoyed the nightlife in dallas here some lately. got a tattoo, bought a car a couple months back, got depressed, fixed that |
| 00:22.56 | icefox | by getting the car or girl or? |
| 00:23.02 | kergoth | medication |
| 00:23.08 | kergoth | feel better than i have in many years |
| 00:23.41 | icefox | hehe yah, when I go off my caffine pill.... |
| 00:23.44 | icefox | man |
| 00:24.16 | icefox | What car did you get? |
| 00:24.22 | icefox | at least no snow there |
| 00:24.26 | emte | i dont suppose eitehr of you have an archive of Inmos datasheets ... |
| 00:24.44 | zecke | kergoth: oh I didn't know that |
| 00:25.05 | kergoth | icefox: '04 chrysler crossfire |
| 00:25.07 | kergoth | icefox: http://openembedded.org/dl/kergoth/crossfire/crossfire6.jpg |
| 00:25.18 | kergoth | fun little thing |
| 00:25.24 | icefox | ooh, was behind that yesterday, fun thing |
| 00:25.51 | icefox | in lickable red too |
| 00:26.13 | emte | lol |
| 00:26.47 | emte | i guess lickable is betterh then other assorted actions |
| 00:27.00 | icefox | Way back in the day when I had grand ambutions about making a directory based app distrobution for the zaurus there was a linux project going on that kinda did that, anyone remember? |
| 00:27.23 | kergoth | yeah i remember that |
| 00:28.10 | icefox | remember the name of the project? |
| 00:28.10 | Servo888 | Crossfire =-( man at the autoshow (in Detroit) I sat in one. And it was tight (like not very roomy). I sat in a mini, and BMW 323i, and they were more roomy =\ |
| 00:28.33 | icefox | Servo888: well you don't buy the Crossfire for its cargo space |
| 00:29.05 | kergoth | if i were tall i probably wouldve had to buy the convertible. has more head room |
| 00:29.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:29.29 | icefox | is 6speed stock? |
| 00:29.42 | Servo888 | lol yah head room =-) |
| 00:29.49 | kergoth | nope, automatic. has the benz .. whatever its called.. that lets you shift it manually |
| 00:30.03 | icefox | Servo888: sorry, you at least need room to put the seat down for that |
| 00:30.11 | icefox | the auto-shift thing? |
| 00:30.17 | icefox | AutoStick |
| 00:30.19 | kergoth | yeah. the response time in it sucks ass |
| 00:30.22 | kergoth | lag |
| 00:30.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:30.32 | icefox | stupid lag, everywhere you go |
| 00:30.36 | kergoth | i thought about the manual, but then i remembered that i dont know how to drive one |
| 00:30.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:30.42 | Servo888 | I'm 6' 1" - don't fit into many small cars =\ |
| 00:30.58 | kergoth | Servo888: ahhh yeah, a crossfire is definately not for you |
| 00:31.07 | icefox | how is the accel? |
| 00:31.17 | kergoth | i was going to get a bmw 325 or 330, but i saw this, test drove it, and bought it on the spot |
| 00:31.26 | kergoth | its quick. only around 220hp or so, but its damn light |
| 00:31.50 | kergoth | handles beautifully. took it up to 120mph on my road trip up to mn |
| 00:31.51 | icefox | and a nice thing to look at |
| 00:32.02 | Servo888 | How big is the engine kergoth? |
| 00:32.05 | kergoth | yeah, i get a couple random people commenting on it a week |
| 00:32.43 | kergoth | Servo888: 3.2L v6 |
| 00:33.07 | kergoth | the crossfire srt-6 has the supercharged v6 right out of the benz AMG models. 330hp in that sucker |
| 00:33.07 | Servo888 | kergoth: ah ok - so 220hp is without any force induction. |
| 00:33.10 | kergoth | like $10k more though |
| 00:34.18 | emte | icefox: gobo? |
| 00:34.39 | icefox | haha someone else mentioned that, but no that isn't what I am looking for, thanks though |
| 00:35.10 | emte | missed it, cleaning/rearranging the room |
| 00:35.25 | kergoth | icefox: have you looked at autopackage? |
| 00:35.36 | icefox | a few years ago |
| 00:35.36 | kergoth | i keep an eye on what those guys are up to |
| 00:36.07 | kergoth | thats more installation ease than anything else. still puts things in the usual places on the hd |
| 00:36.13 | kergoth | not self contained -after- install |
| 00:36.15 | icefox | yah |
| 00:36.45 | icefox | I just continusly am amazed as I download open source "packages" for my ibook and they just poof work |
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| 00:37.19 | icefox | total install instructions are "copy the file inside the zip to where you want it" |
| 00:37.36 | emte | mac was originally targeted at the incompetent user |
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| 00:37.50 | Servo888 | emte: ...has that changed? |
| 00:37.56 | icefox | emte: hehe, but now the techno elite are coming! |
| 00:37.56 | treke | cool. I have a real desk again |
| 00:37.56 | emte | a little |
| 00:38.09 | treke | wow icefox appears |
| 00:38.21 | icefox | how many linux convenstion have you been to where you havn't seen a powerbook |
| 00:38.23 | icefox | hey treke |
| 00:38.32 | emte | apple is still sinking maybe they will come back but i doubt it |
| 00:38.41 | kergoth | that reminds me, jason was pestering me about something last time he was on irc, but i wasnt around. should email him |
| 00:38.42 | Servo888 | emte: apples float |
| 00:38.44 | kergoth | ~seen masticator |
| 00:38.45 | ibot | masticator <~masticato@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 24d 16h 52m 55s ago, saying: 'mwilson: yeah, well, we Jews like a good bargain'. |
| 00:38.52 | emte | lol |
| 00:38.55 | icefox | haha |
| 00:39.07 | emte | its a very bad sign when you build systems "on demand" |
| 00:39.15 | icefox | ? |
| 00:39.39 | emte | apple has been building systems on demand for about the last year |
| 00:39.59 | emte | hence the long shipping delays |
| 00:40.07 | icefox | oh, well I havn't a clue if they are going to be around or not, but their hardware is nice and debian loads on it fine so I am 100% happy |
| 00:40.23 | emte | true |
| 00:40.39 | icefox | and OSX has some really interesting software paragams that i ponder every once in while |
| 00:40.44 | Servo888 | I just want an apple because they looks sexy =\ |
| 00:40.51 | icefox | yah that does help |
| 00:40.53 | Servo888 | look* |
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| 00:41.05 | emte | osx is getting better |
| 00:41.05 | Servo888 | I mean no other company has such sleek designs. |
| 00:41.21 | icefox | when I left sharp my boss traded my former laptop (17" powerbook) for another employee under him with another boss |
| 00:41.21 | Servo888 | On the other hand no other company charged 3,000 for the PC with out a monitor... |
| 00:41.30 | emte | but if it will be enough in time to capture significant enterprise area remains to be seen |
| 00:41.54 | icefox | and when I chatted with the HR vp he told me I wasn't allowed to have a better laptop then him hehe |
| 00:42.27 | emte | lol |
| 00:42.34 | Servo888 | icefox: what do you do for a living? |
| 00:42.42 | emte | not if you like your job anyway :) |
| 00:42.43 | icefox | everything linux |
| 00:43.17 | Servo888 | Does is pay good? |
| 00:43.17 | icefox | qt, kde, linux, system, driver, tons and tons of shell (how the $& did that happen?) |
| 00:43.18 | icefox | yah |
| 00:43.18 | Servo888 | Can you make like a living just with Linux? |
| 00:43.25 | kergoth | heh, are you joking? |
| 00:43.32 | Servo888 | lol |
| 00:44.02 | Servo888 | I'm a student right now - who't not sure what he's going to do in his life... |
| 00:44.12 | kergoth | search for linux on dice.com sometime |
| 00:44.16 | icefox | 1) don't do Java |
| 00:44.20 | icefox | 2) don't do MS |
| 00:44.29 | icefox | both are jobs that are low pay |
| 00:44.36 | Servo888 | J2EE jobs pay well |
| 00:44.39 | icefox | unless you learn COM |
| 00:44.49 | icefox | windows COM jobs pay really well cause no one wants to do them |
| 00:44.57 | icefox | like 150K |
| 00:44.57 | Servo888 | lol |
| 00:45.24 | kergoth | i like working in embedded linux, particularly kernel work. its an in demand field. unfortunately there arent *many* positions, so to take another i'd *have* to move again |
| 00:45.30 | icefox | hang out with people that you want a job with |
| 00:45.48 | icefox | haning out with java interns probably wont get you the linux kernel driver job |
| 00:46.12 | kergoth | yep, networking is where its at (social, that is) |
| 00:46.24 | icefox | join the linux janitors group |
| 00:46.35 | Servo888 | yah... Hopefully in college I can find some good connections |
| 00:46.40 | icefox | or whatever the group is that you want to be part of, from there the job should find you |
| 00:47.14 | kergoth | icefox: whatever happened to that venture jason was pursuing? |
| 00:47.16 | icefox | Spend the monty to go to trade shows and (usual free entrance if you sign up far enough in advanced) meet people/developers/manaers |
| 00:47.17 | kergoth | seems like it just fell through |
| 00:47.19 | icefox | kergoth: money |
| 00:47.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:47.26 | icefox | didn't come |
| 00:47.31 | icefox | don't think it even has yet |
| 00:47.35 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 00:47.39 | icefox | yah |
| 00:47.45 | icefox | good thing I didn't wait |
| 00:48.06 | Servo888 | money shivers lol my bank hasn't transfered any money to college and my late fees are ridiculous |
| 00:48.09 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i was gonna say |
| 00:48.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:48.11 | icefox | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/articles/linux_pda.php <- the biz plan in article form |
| 00:48.28 | kergoth | yep, i remember that |
| 00:49.09 | kergoth | ti is a great company to work for, but its pretty boring and unchallenging. still keeping an eye out for opportunity |
| 00:49.57 | emte | you could try to get on the new ocean sensor project ... i am sure ti is sponsoring part |
| 00:50.14 | emte | got approved a couple months ago |
| 00:50.39 | Servo888 | Icefox is that you in the greenshirt next to the infiniti? |
| 00:54.22 | icefox | on my site? |
| 00:54.31 | icefox | yah |
| 00:54.33 | Servo888 | yah I think |
| 00:54.39 | icefox | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/phpquickgallery/photo.php?gallery=2003/G35/&file=08310004.jpg |
| 00:54.44 | icefox | lot longer hair now |
| 00:54.54 | Servo888 | ah ok - yah that's the pic |
| 00:55.05 | Servo888 | You could get a haircut =\ |
| 00:55.24 | icefox | na, it is finally long and through that aquard ugly stag |
| 00:57.08 | Servo888 | damn it hostap module compile failed... |
| 00:58.49 | Servo888 | http://www.pastebin.com/109779 <= if anybody wants a gander |
| 00:59.12 | icefox | I think what surprises me the most about being a linux programer is the amount of shell script I write |
| 01:00.11 | emte | i forget the name of it off hand, one of my instructors is involved with it basically its a distributed data aqusition project to simultaniopusly gather samples at key locations around the world |
| 01:00.29 | Servo888 | Sort of like SETI? |
| 01:00.51 | icefox | spyware? |
| 01:01.00 | emte | lol |
| 01:01.11 | emte | yeah sorta like seti |
| 01:01.20 | icefox | anyone here use distcc? |
| 01:03.44 | Servo888 | Can somebody check if they have a Makefile in: oe_dictory/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/kernel/arch/Makefile |
| 01:08.15 | emte | i believe its the MARS/Venus projects |
| 01:16.58 | Servo888 | Aha just created an emtpy makefile and it's going again =-) |
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| 01:22.29 | df00z | Aye!@ |
| 01:22.40 | df00z | Anyone ever use libmad? What an awfully documented library |
| 01:23.08 | Servo888 | I would have to say alsalib is poorly documented =\ |
| 01:23.32 | df00z | heheh |
| 01:24.32 | Servo888 | sigh 50 cents for a sticker - $6.50 for shipping... |
| 01:25.23 | df00z | Uh |
| 01:25.31 | df00z | I have a pointer to a char array..nothing im setting |
| 01:25.39 | df00z | but its a random position in a char array |
| 01:25.39 | df00z | i think |
| 01:25.52 | df00z | so like..i have char whatever[1024] |
| 01:26.07 | ljp | i know about libmad |
| 01:26.08 | df00z | the function returns a pointer to like char[####] and i dont know what it is |
| 01:26.12 | df00z | Oh, you do? |
| 01:26.17 | ljp | yerp |
| 01:26.31 | df00z | know the callback input? |
| 01:26.36 | ljp | havent touched it in a long time, though |
| 01:26.38 | df00z | its called when the decoder wants more input |
| 01:26.58 | df00z | anyway, if i just feed it the next section of the mp3..it breaks..like it plays back all garbled |
| 01:27.01 | ljp | offhand I dont. opieplayer has a libmad plugin |
| 01:27.10 | df00z | hm. |
| 01:27.19 | ljp | you could look at that |
| 01:27.56 | df00z | ya. |
| 01:28.40 | df00z | Uh, you good with C though? While its downloading, i want to try to figure this out |
| 01:28.41 | df00z | the function gets a pointer to mad_stream, in that structure there is an unsigned char const *next_frame |
| 01:29.07 | df00z | i assume thats a pointer to some place in the char array i fed it |
| 01:29.18 | df00z | is it possible to get the index location? |
| 01:29.23 | df00z | like my char buffer[4096] |
| 01:29.32 | df00z | its giving me a pointer to char buffer[some number] |
| 01:29.51 | df00z | oh wait, is it something like what it returns - &buffer |
| 01:29.57 | df00z | cuz arrays are stored in order in ram? |
| 01:34.04 | df00z | Hah, that seems to be it. |
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| 02:04.15 | Servo888 | I just oemake opie-image but I can't find the image... |
| 02:04.24 | Servo888 | it's not in the deploy directory |
| 02:10.13 | Servo888 | there should be an image directory there.. hmm |
| 02:10.37 | Servo888 | gr ill figure it out tomorrow - atleast I got opie-imageto compile with out error |
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| 03:08.28 | df00z | Woot! |
| 03:08.31 | df00z | i have libmad working |
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| 03:08.43 | df00z | (as in...in my program im making) |
| 03:31.32 | df00z | hahah |
| 03:31.38 | df00z | i wonder if theres any chance of this working on palms |
| 03:31.45 | df00z | (mp3 player im writing using libmad) |
| 03:31.51 | df00z | the ones with the slow arse DB processors |
| 03:32.59 | emte | it doesnt fully work until you can compile it clean from a bare tmp |
| 03:33.19 | emte | i have that slight issue with my sdl setup atm |
| 03:37.18 | mjc | anyone had any luck with the dazzle zio 10in1 SD/CF reader? |
| 03:37.25 | mjc | it doesn't want to let me write to it |
| 03:38.36 | mjc | hmm nm. seems to work now |
