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00:00.49mithrotreke: data loss?
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00:09.05trekemithro: apparantly not
00:13.21subduesomeone screwed up on the OZ version on elsix.org
00:13.42subduehttp://elsix.org/index.php?w=browse&sc=20
00:13.50subdueOpenzaurus 3.3.5 Released
00:13.58Crofton__christ Bush has preempted survivor
00:23.00trekesubdue: might want to tell them that
00:23.14treke3.3.5 looks right
00:23.18subduenot sure who to tell, so I posted it here
00:23.35subdueisn't it 3.5.3?
00:23.44trekeno
00:24.11subdueso it's not the same thing as www.openzaurus.org?
00:25.04trekeopenzaurus.org is the same thing
00:25.04subdue(which lists it as 3.5.3)?
00:25.04treketry and use some comon sense here
00:25.04trekelook at the date on that page
00:25.04subduethat's on "browse"
00:25.04subdueso it should list the latest
00:25.20trekeit's not our problem if they don't update their website
00:25.32subduewell, the download part also breaks
00:25.34subdueshrug
00:25.40trekenot our problem
00:25.56trekeemail them
00:26.54subduealright. done
00:27.08trekecool. maybe they'll get around to updating it
00:30.37trekemithro: think I did it right this time :)
01:13.55trekekergoth: you around?
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02:58.37CIA-403cwiiis 07 * r1.3180.47.1 10openembedded/packages/skippy/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add new package skippy-xd - Builds ok, but untested
02:58.50emtedamn skippy
03:00.05Pendalarמי זה?
03:05.33CP|Homelol
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04:28.04emtehmm any C programmers awake?
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05:40.37emteblreach
05:40.55emteisnt there a working time.h example on this planet?
05:46.43emteaha finally
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06:56.15RPmorning all
07:01.34bluelightninghi RP
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07:07.03koengood morning all
07:17.53RPmorning koen
07:18.04koenhey RP
07:19.23Luke-JrDoes OE support compiling Matchbox w/ the ability to resize windows?
07:21.21koendoes matchbox have that ability?
07:22.40Luke-JrI think so...
07:22.46Luke-Jrsomeone told me it was a compile-time option
07:26.57koenif that's the case, yes
07:29.22Luke-Jrwell, I meant w/o editing the .bb
07:34.12koenno
07:44.05Luke-JrAre there any decent WMs other than Matchbox supported by OE? :|
07:44.15Luke-Jr(don't seem to see resize support in matchbox src)
07:45.00koenenlighenment is in
07:45.19Luke-Jrbut then I lose the panel and such... i think
07:45.57Luke-Jrtwm would be nice, were it not for the focus-follows-mouse behaviour
07:49.28bluelightningtwm? yuck
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07:51.59Luke-Jrbluelightning: think of the resize method
07:52.01Luke-Jrkoen: e17?
07:52.12koenwith a aqua gtk theme it would look just like osx
07:53.29bluelightningkoen: I thought I heard you saying you didn't like OS X themes on a PDA... ?
07:53.44koenyeah
07:53.52koenI'll probably hate it after 5 minutes
07:54.03Luke-Jraha... e17 is like i18n :)
07:54.20bluelightningheh, I never noticed
07:54.32Luke-Jrbut not in OE as far as I can see
07:54.47koenhttp://enlightenment.org/index.php?session=dae5b46191&id=9&select=ePortal
07:54.54koenthe complete efl is in OE
07:54.55Luke-Jrmaybe not... enlightenment isn't 18 chars long
07:55.02Luke-Jrefl??
07:55.36koenbluelightning: the g_ether patch is in OE now
07:55.47hrw|workhello
07:55.49bluelightningkoen: with RNDIS?
07:55.52bluelightninghey hrw|work
07:56.06Luke-Jrkoen: nothing *enlight* or *efl* is in OE...
07:56.14koenbluelightning: I think rndis is in too
07:56.20bluelightningkoen: great :)
07:56.36koenLuke-Jr: open the link I gave you
07:56.47bluelightningpity it won't stop the complaints for SA, but it's still worth it for pxa
07:57.39koendid you see the remark about it being buffer related?
07:58.21bluelightningno...?
07:58.36koensomeone said the send buffer on the ipaq has to be empty
07:58.47Luke-Jrkoen: ok... opened the link... e17 still doesn't appear to be in OE itself..?
07:59.50koenah, you'll have to mention that to emte
08:00.16hrw|workLuke-Jr: look:
08:00.17hrw|work10:00 hrw@marcinj:packages$ grep enlightenment */*.bb|wc
08:00.17hrw|work<PROTECTED>
08:00.59koen(wc = toilet in dutch)
08:01.13Luke-Jrhrw|work: so? none of those seem to be enlightenment itself
08:01.16hrw|workkoen: wc = toilet in many languages
08:01.24Luke-Jrjust URIs at the site
08:01.26hrw|workLuke-Jr: really? ecore is not a base of e17?
08:01.37Luke-Jrhrw|work: Core event abstraction layer for it
08:01.44Luke-Jraccording to the DESCRIPTION
08:02.29koenhmmm
08:02.35koenbinutils-cross is broken
08:02.49koenit thinks it needs to rebuild itself every day
08:03.33hrw|workkoen: set cvsdate for it
08:03.55hrw|workLuke-Jr: you have to get emte or raster - they know more about e17 in OE then I
08:04.09koenhrw|work: it sets the cvsdate to 20050416, but names the package 20050429
08:04.57Luke-Jrthe sad thing is that Matchbox is perfectly fine for everything else-- it just won't let me resize windows :/
08:05.02hrw|workkoen: strange
08:05.14koenhrw|work: indeed
08:06.09hrw|workkoen: PV = "2.15.99+csl-arm+cvs${CVSDATE}"
08:06.17hrw|workkoen: but src_uri has fixed date
08:06.31hrw|workkoen: fix CVSDATE in .bb file
08:09.37hrw|workaRGH!!! bitbake meta-opie failed on one package, fixed, restarted.. now every unpack fails..
08:11.14CIA-403koen 07 * r1.3193 10openembedded/packages/binutils/binutils_csl-arm-20050416.bb: binutils_csl-arm-20050416.bb: fix cvsdate
08:11.36bluelightningffs... I ask someone on ebay in the uk how much they want to send a Libretto + accessories to NZ.. answer: 60 pounds (!)
08:11.56Luke-Jris that a lot?
08:12.08hrw|work~change 60 gbp to eur
08:12.12bluelightningI would have thought so yes
08:12.22bluelightningfor shipping
08:12.27Luke-Jr-change 60 gbp to usb
08:12.35Luke-Jr-change 60 gbp to usd
08:12.41bluelightning~change 60 gbp to usd
08:12.52bluelightning~change 60 gbp to nzd
08:13.06Luke-JrWhat did you type diff?
08:13.10bluelightningtilde
08:13.13Luke-Jris it a tilde? (Xchat shows tilde as dash >.>)
08:13.16Luke-Jraha
08:15.47Luke-Jrhmm
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08:15.47Luke-Jrwonder if ~convert can do silver bullions =
08:15.47Luke-Jr=p
08:15.47ade|deskmorning all
08:15.54Luke-Jrhello
08:15.57koenhey ade|desk
08:17.00hrw|workhi ade
08:17.19bluelightninghi ad
08:17.24bluelightning*hi ade|desk
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08:27.14Bernardogood morning
08:27.26hrw|workhi Bernardo
08:28.00Bernardohrw|work: how is sound/mp3 quality on your husky?
08:28.01Luke-JrLifesavers are yummy
08:29.45hrw|workBernardo: via speaker is not so good.. via headphones not bad
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08:37.31Luke-Jrsame w/ my 760
08:38.54hrw|workfscking do_unpack
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09:10.26hrw|work~lart do_unpack
09:10.38Luke-Jrhrw|work: how did you manage to break it? O.o
09:10.51Luke-Jrunpacking is a fairly simple process o.o
09:12.16hrw|workLuke-Jr: tell it to bitbake on my machine
09:12.50Luke-Jrhrw|work: fix it? =p
09:13.25hrw|workfuck it
09:13.44Luke-Jrthat could be painful
09:13.52hrw|workmy home machine is up and running - I will run build there
09:13.59Luke-Jrlol
09:15.07hrw|workLuke-Jr: it is faster then machine at work, has more ram and noone use it now
09:15.26Luke-Jrhrw|work: I'd gladly use it for you ;)
09:17.02schurighrw|work: use distcc at your work machine then:-)
09:18.04Luke-Jrgcc-cross-3.4.3+csl-arm-20050416-r4 <-- evil, IMO
09:18.06Luke-Jrwhatever it is
09:18.24woglindeluke why?
09:18.32Luke-Jrdisclaimer: my opinion is based solely on its inability to compile screen
09:18.53woglindehm
09:19.00woglindedidnt try screen for my pda
09:19.31woglindeexactly I have wa webpad
09:19.36woglinde*g*
09:19.58koenscreen has been broken for ages
09:20.14Luke-Jrkoen: not on my Gentoo systems...
09:21.06koenin OE
09:21.34Luke-JrWhy would OE be any different?
09:21.38Luke-JrIt's the same program
09:22.09Luke-JrWarning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for xfce-mcs-manager:
09:22.09Luke-Jr<PROTECTED>
09:22.13Luke-JrThat too, for all pkgs I compile now
09:22.50Luke-Jrhow can I force normal 3.4.3?
09:22.59Luke-JrPREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross="3.4.3" <-- doesn't work
09:24.08hrw|workLuke-Jr: works for me
09:24.35Luke-Jrhrw|work: NOTE: package gcc-3.4.3+csl-arm-20050416: started
09:24.41Luke-Jrdoesn't for me
09:24.59Luke-Jraha
09:25.05Luke-Jrmaybe I should try adding -cross for that
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09:25.12woglindeworked for me too
09:25.18woglindebut than csl also worked
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09:26.42Bernardowoglinde: the auction for the serial cable ends today, can I give your home address for delivery?
09:27.32Luke-Jrare serial cables so rare that they're worth auctioning now?
09:28.13Bernardo:)
09:28.21Luke-Jrif so, I'm heading to ebay...;
09:28.31BernardoAt least at affordable prices the cables for the zaurus are rare
09:28.50Luke-Jrwell, *those* aren't serial cables... :|
09:29.06Luke-Jrwell, technically maybe
09:29.20Luke-Jrbut they don't use a standard serial cable connector
09:30.04woglindebernado did I gave it to your already?
09:30.05Bernardoat one of the ends they do... :)
09:30.13woglindegive
09:30.18woglindedamend time terms
09:31.25Bernardono, not yet
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09:37.39bluelightningLuke-Jr: have you never been to eBay? :)
09:38.06Luke-Jrbluelightning: not often
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09:52.02woglindebye
09:52.33hrw|work~seen xora
09:52.35ibotxora <~dp@81-178-205-139.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 18h 9m 37s ago, saying: 'mallum_: heh heh'.
09:56.01lardmanhrw|work: I think I remember his maying he was away for the weekend
09:56.08lardmans/maying/saying
09:56.11hrw|workaha thx
09:56.30Luke-Jr~lard lardman
09:56.52lardmanlard or lart?
09:56.58Luke-Jr~lart lardman
09:56.59Luke-Jrbpth
09:57.00Luke-Jrboth*
09:57.05lardmancheers mate
09:57.42Luke-Jr?
09:58.31Luke-Jrany idea if FireFox has built anytime recently?
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09:58.50koentry it and see
09:59.01Luke-JrI did
09:59.13Luke-JrI'm asking recently because it fails *now*
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10:06.24hrw|workhi XorA
10:07.31Luke-Jromg
10:07.49Luke-Jrwho's idea was it to have the qmake-native and uicmoc3-native use different Qt versions? -.-
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10:17.04schurig~lart lartman
10:18.54schurigLuke-Jr: hehe, I have 5 different qt downloads in my downloads/ dir, from Qt2, Qt3, uicmoc, uicmoc3, etc etc tec
10:19.11Luke-Jrschurig: I'm just doing Qt 3 tho...
10:19.40schurig2.3.10, 2.3.7, 3.2.1, 3.2.3, 3.3.2, 3.3.3, 4.0.0-bX
10:20.15schurigoh, thats more than 5
10:21.22Luke-Jrwtf do you have 4?
10:21.41hrw|workqte 2.3.10, qte 3.3.3, qte 3.2.3,qte 3.3.2,qt 3.3.2
10:22.22schurigLuke-Jr: it was either from some experiment months ago, or maybe because qmake-native uses that
10:22.48schurigLuke-Jr: yep, it's from qmake-native_1.08a.bb
10:22.49Luke-Jrnope
10:22.54Luke-Jrnot on my OE at least
10:23.14hrw|workLuke-Jr: since when you use OE?
10:23.34Luke-Jrhrw|work: ...?
10:23.54hrw|workqmake-native_1.08 was in OE, qt/e4beta are still
10:24.20schurigLuke-Jr: that's in OE, visit this monster-URL:
10:24.24schurighttp://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/anno/packages/qmake/qmake-native_1.08a.bb%401.20?nav=index.html|src/.|src/packages|src/packages/qmake
10:24.58schurigLuke-Jr: there you can read   QTEVER = "qt-embedded-opensource-4.0.0-b1"
10:25.07schurigand    SRC_URI = "ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qt/source/${QTEVER}.tar.bz2 \
10:27.03hrw|workok. husky is upgrading to today opie
10:27.58Luke-Jrhrw|work: Is English your native language?
10:28.23hrw|workLuke-Jr: it looks like?
10:28.47Luke-Jr...
10:28.51Luke-Jrnevermind
10:29.11hrw|workLuke-Jr: you dont want to hear my English
10:29.24hrw|worktrust me
10:29.28Luke-JrWow
10:29.32Luke-JrI actually understood that sentence
10:29.43Luke-Jr=p
10:34.40hrw|workLuke-Jr: hmm. that means that my english is hard to understand or that you have problems with understanding what I'm saying?
10:35.09Luke-JrThe former
10:35.36Luke-Jr<hrw|work> Luke-Jr: since when you use OE?
10:35.36Luke-Jr<hrw|work> qmake-native_1.08 was in OE, qt/e4beta are still
10:35.42Luke-Jrno idea what you were saying/asking
10:36.50schurigLuke-Jr: wait until he starts to type polish
10:37.26Luke-Jrschurig: lol
10:37.49schurighehe, all the englishman have to adapt to our pidgin-english :-)
10:39.02hrw|workah..
10:39.24hrw|workschurig: chyba nie chcesz bym zacz±³... wtedy to ju¿ w ogóle prawie nikt mnie nie zrozumie..
10:40.31hrw|work;)
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10:41.10schurighrw|work: I can polish, too: ui wep4nfuz58934whioö4q n1'v 5ti9v4oqfjlökai0xeü9c0 uz879'01282tfp
10:41.12schurig:-)
10:42.13hrw|workschurig: there is no umlauts in Polish ;)
10:42.28hrw|workheh.. luzik was the one who understand my Polish...
10:42.37schurigSmörrebröt, Smörrebröt, Römtömtöm tööööm
10:42.38Luke-Jrchcesz ogle nie mnie chyba wtedy prawie ju
10:42.53schurigDobre Den
10:44.31hrw|workJa u¿e was nie panimaju (sorry for lack of cyrilic chars)
10:45.51Luke-Jrwhat did I say, BTW?
10:45.52Luke-Jrlol
10:46.33Bernardo|meetingse vocês continuam assim eu começo a falar em português...
10:46.36Luke-JrI used to go into German chatrooms and piece together nonsense :)
10:47.08hrw|workLuke-Jr: nonsense talk with non-completed words
10:47.20Luke-Jrhrw|work: I was just using the words you gave me =p
10:47.37hrw|workLuke-Jr: no - you stripped national chars
10:47.47Luke-Jrhrw|work: Speak Japanese and I might have a chance of making sense
10:47.56Luke-Jrhrw|work: then you're using a different encoding for IRC than I am
10:48.10hrw|workLuke-Jr: iso-8859-2 here
10:48.16Luke-JrUTF-8 here, I think
10:48.31Luke-Jreven though it totally violates the RFC
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10:54.38koenNOTE: package firefox-1.0.3: completedNOTE: build 200504291200: completed
10:54.44koenfirefox builds fine over here
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11:21.36zeckehi obi
11:22.21XorA|cleaningkoen: is there a problem with firefox?
11:25.30Luke-JrXorA|cleaning: won't build w/ my OE
11:25.39XorA|cleaningLuke-Jr: whats the error?
11:25.52Luke-Jrit's very long XD
11:25.53Luke-Jr1 sec
11:26.23Luke-Jrhttp://utopios.org/~luke-jr/tmp/log.do_compile.6337
11:27.13XorA|cleaningLuke-Jr: I fixed that in OE a few days ok
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11:27.47Luke-JrI pulled from BK yesterday IIRC
11:28.07XorA|cleaningLuke-Jr: http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/diffs/packages/mozilla/firefox_1.0.3.bb@1.1?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/mozilla|hist/packages/mozilla/firefox_1.0.3.bb
11:28.24XorA|cleaningLuke-Jr: the do_compile_prepend bit is the crucial bit
11:28.32hrw|work~lart ipkg  for being so stupid tool
11:32.18greg72hi there ... I'm building gcc-cross and a strange thing happened. I've set CVSDATE_uclibc to 20050422. For uclibc-initial bitbake fetched the latest, 20050429 revision of uclibc and only for uclibc fetched it the desired 20050422 revision. I took a look at uclibc-initial_cvs.bb but I've not found anything that would have caused this. Do you have any hint?
11:32.44Cwiiisgreg72: Does your DISTRO conf have a CVSDATE set, maybe?
11:34.11greg72Cwiis: no such thing in distro/my-eldk.conf
11:35.18Cwiiisgreg72: Perhaps set PREFERRED_VERSION_uclibc-initial = "uclibc-initial_0.0cvs20050422"? (or whatever the PV ends up as with uclibc)
11:35.46greg72CVSDATE = "${DATE}" I have in bitbake.conf. But why does bitbake ignore it in one case and using it in the other case?
11:36.07Cwiiisgreg72: Perhaps there's a uclibc-initial with a fixed CVSDATE that has a higher priority
11:36.42CwiiisAnyway, have to go, good luck
11:36.46hrw|workgreg72: add CVSDATE=20050422 into conf/local.conf
11:37.48hrw|workLuke-Jr: you will get HEAD
11:38.22greg72Now I think it's simply that I have to have CVSDATE_uclibc and CVSDATE_uclibc-initial separately. Am I right?
11:38.34Luke-Jrhrw|work: lol it was a joke
11:38.54hrw|worknevermind - I get tyou the answer
11:39.12hrw|workgreg72: set CVSDATE for all packages and do a build
11:40.25hrw|workgreg72: iirc you are still fighting with getting build done - one CVSDATE for all packages will be best
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11:49.27schuriggreg72: yes, set both CVSDATE_uclibc and CVSDATE_uclibc-initial
11:49.59schuriggreg72: from BitBake's view, those two bb files are separate bb files, so settings for one package doesn't silently promoted to the other package
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11:50.34schurighrw|work: except he wants, say, opie from 20050415 :-)
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12:32.39hrw|workBernardo: btw musicplayers... tried opieplayer3?
12:33.19koenI'd almost give money to stop people from naming software like that
12:33.39hrw|work;)
12:34.31koennew project -> new name
12:34.57koenand "new name" is not version number of other project + 1
12:35.17hrw|workcurrently it looks like polished opieplayer2
12:35.46hrw|workbut opieplayer2 better name will be opie-xine, oxine etc
12:36.04koenI think opieplayer is a good name
12:36.12koenopie-mediaplayer might be better
12:36.22greg72hrw|work, schurig: thanks. Now what do you say about http://pastebin.ca/10557 ?
12:36.31koen"xine" doesn't ring a bell for most users
12:37.12hrw|workgreg72: paste whole log
12:38.22schuriggreg72: "error: `iconv_t' does not name a type" is your first error
12:38.31hrw|workkoen: true
12:38.47schuriggreg72: I don't really know if iconv things are in uclibc and therefore I don't know if this should work or not
12:39.14hrw|workgreg72: you probably will need to build libiconv but I'm not sure
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12:43.41koengreg72: it was gyongyos, right?
12:44.48koen|holidaysee you next week
12:45.40hrw|worksee you koen|holiday
12:46.13hrw|workI will have holiday to wednesday (when I will go to work)
12:46.51Bernardohrw|work: is it already available to build in oe?
12:47.19Bernardolucky guys...
12:47.34Bernardohere since the 1st of may is sunday, we have no holiday...
12:49.00hrw|workBernardo: it is not in oe
12:49.42hrw|workhere 3 may is national holiday so I get vacation for 2 may
12:50.25Bernardocool
12:50.52Bernardodoes opieplayer3 use less cpu than 2?
12:51.19hrw|workits xine powered too
12:51.24Luke-Jrfirefox fails again
12:51.29Luke-Jrwtf it is trying to use /lib
12:51.39hrw|workBernardo: and is unusable rather now..
12:52.21Bernardohrw|work: so I'm better off trying to get xmms/e to use the full screen and the jogweel as up/down... If I can get the akita keys to work one of these days
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12:53.52hrw|workhi zecke
12:54.45greg72koen: right. when should I expect your call?
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12:55.14Bernardohi zecke
12:58.38greg72hrw|work: I've tried to build libiconv and it depends on gcc... Is there a circular dependency? BTW, the full log of the previous attempt to build gcc-cross is here: http://pastebin.ca/10560
12:59.11hrw|workyou have to talk with someone who do uclibc builds using OE/..
13:05.23greg72schurig: the strange thing is that I _did_ build a cross-gcc two days ago. And it did use the same version of gcc source.
13:13.32schuriggreg72: who said computers are deterministic?  :-)
13:13.49schuriggreg72: did you started from a rm -rf  in both cases?
13:14.32schuriggreg72: are you sure with the "same version of gcc source?"  I think you struggle with things like CVSDATEs ...   so gcc source might have been the same, but where the libs the same?
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13:22.28ibotone warez list being sent
13:34.20emtegreg72, kergoth`zzz did quite a bit of work removing/fixing the glibc/uclibc iconv issue
13:34.40RPI'm really not safe to be let loose on users :-/
13:34.47emtei doubt the one not in the libc libraries will cooperate very well
13:37.38mickeylour uclibc doesn't include iconv stuff
13:37.51mickeyleither disable it in the package it wants to use it or make uclibc build it
13:37.57mickeyli recommend the first option
13:38.00mickeylhi guys, btw.
13:38.04RPhi mickeyl
13:38.18mickeylanyone know on which machine our bk cron job ran ?
13:38.23mickeylit looks stuck
13:38.35hrw|workmickeyl: kergoth box?
13:38.50RPmickeyl: I thought kergoth as well
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13:47.28mickeylok. i will sync manually
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13:54.49mickeylhmmm
13:54.56mickeyllocked... locked... retrying...
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13:58.01mickeylBernardo: did you remember to take a photo of a running Opie on your Akita ?
13:59.07BernardoYes, but only with my smartphone
13:59.21mickeylresolution ?
13:59.39RPmickeyl: I'll have to try opie on the hx2750 next :)
13:59.40Bernardo640x480 with a lens that shows some spheric distortion
14:00.14mickeylRP: seen your GPE images. good work
14:00.23mickeylBernardo: guess we'll better wait for your digicam pics then :)
14:00.43hrw|workwhich cairo was good building one?
14:01.05BernardoI can send you these, and you'll check for yourself, for better resolution you need to remind me tonigh.
14:01.39mickeylfair enough
14:01.42mickeyl-> mickeyl@handhelds.org
14:07.26mickeylgaaah
14:07.29mickeyl~lart modem users locking bk
14:08.16mickeyla kernel question: is there any kind of user land notification when you (u)mount a filesystem ?
14:08.58RPmickeyl: good question. I'm not sure I've ever seen one...
14:10.57Bernardomickeyl: I think there is some hotplug/udev notification
14:11.36RPudev just notifies you of new devices and I thought hotpplug did the same
14:12.05BernardoRP: doesn't it notify of device removal?
14:12.25RPBernardo: yes, that as well
14:12.39mickeyldon't assume that mounting and unmounting always happens together with a device event
14:12.49mickeyl> mount /foo /bar
14:12.52mickeylno hotplug even
14:12.52mickeylt
14:13.18Bernardoah, of course
14:13.41mickeyli'm thinking about removing some of the polling interfaces in Opie with notifications
14:13.47Bernardobut you have a file that is updated with your mounts list, right?
14:13.56mickeylunfortunately only a /proc file
14:13.58mickeyland these don't count
14:14.07mickeylsince they're not updated n the classical sense
14:14.24hrw|workipaq-sleep package reminds me one thing...
14:14.34Bernardodidn't we have to link a file in /etc to a ram filesys a few monts ago?
14:14.48hrw|workI was thinking about writing to zautrix to do global s/Zaurus/PDA in kdepimpi
14:15.05hrw|workBernardo: /etc/mtab -> /proc/mounts iirc
14:15.08mickeylln -sf /proc/mounts ${D}${sysconfdir}/mtab
14:15.13mickeylthis is from base_file.bb
14:15.33hrw|workwithout that I had no info about sd card in OZ 3.5.0 times
14:15.43mickeylwe could patch mount, but I doubt if that would be justified heh
14:15.44hrw|workiirc
14:16.11mickeylor we link /etc/mount to something in a tmpfs
14:16.22mickeyland then i could add a file watcher on that
14:16.23hrw|work3.5.0 times was nice times..
14:16.29mickeylheh
14:16.31mickeylstoneage
14:16.35Bernardo:)
14:16.35mickeylnothing really worked .)
14:16.47Bernardomickeyl: did you get the pics?
14:17.00mickeylBernardo: yeah. i think they're a bit too blurry though :)
14:17.24mickeyli will make some pics from the c3000 later tonite
14:17.41BernardoI was afraid of that... Remind me tonight, I might be able to take some pics with my regular camera
14:17.51hrw|workhttp://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/2/0281.html - 2004.05.03 - 1st attempt to boot OZ 3.5.0 on collie
14:18.19hrw|workthat and two others (not counting patches and recipes) gave me dev access ;)
14:18.31mickeylBernardo: ya, will do
14:18.48hrw|workBernardo: add it into todo with alarm
14:19.00mickeylhrw|work: heh, one year ago
14:19.06mickeylcan't believe what we've achieved in that year
14:19.34hrw|work;)
14:19.54hrw|worknow I will have 4 day holidays so maybe I will write more text to articles..
14:19.56RPI think we've all done some good things. I was looking at some very early c7x0 kernel bootlogs earlier - they're scary
14:20.10RPfull of oopses :)
14:20.26mickeylhehe
14:20.38hrw|work'programowanie palmtopów' (palmtop programming) for one linux papermagazine, and 'my year with OE'
14:20.47mickeylhrw|work: very good. more PR is always good
14:20.55mickeylcan't wait to release the OOO newsletter tomorrow
14:21.17mickeylas well as the CXK OZ
14:21.31RPand the gpe-2.6 image
14:21.34hrw|workmickeyl: can you show draft? tomorrow I will be offline till tuesday probably
14:21.37mickeylwe're the first with a "fully" working OZ release
14:21.38RPWe have some users wanting that :)
14:21.44mickeyls/OZ/alternative ROM/
14:21.50mickeylRP: to you have a build around ?
14:22.01mickeylhrw|work: still the same place
14:22.04RPAn untested one
14:22.07hrw|workmickeyl: we have more people in devteam then others and it is still not enough
14:22.16Bernardodid everyone else remember to nominate OE to the tuxmobil prizes?
14:22.17RPmickeyl: Well, it runs on an hx2750! ;-)
14:22.37mickeylhrw|work: ya, but the pdaxrom team has 500$ donations per month
14:23.12mickeylsomeone should nominate Wellenreiter II
14:23.12mickeyl;)
14:23.25Bernardo:)
14:23.38mickeylRP: ok, i will launch a 2.6 build for my shepherd tomorrow
14:23.38BernardoI've already nominated oe, so mayve another...
14:24.11mickeylok, going home for today. a horrible working week has ended
14:24.15mickeylbbl
14:24.21hrw|workbye mickeyl - cu wednesday
14:24.26mickeylcu hrw, have fun!
14:24.31RPmickeyl: bfn!
14:24.34treke|home0 mickeyl
14:24.43treke|homewhen you get home can you email me your feed splitting script?
14:24.59RPtreke|home: is it not on his webserver somewhere?
14:25.00hrw|worktreke|home: http://vanille.de/temp/ - splitfeeds*
14:25.10treke|homethanks
14:25.23hrw|worktreke|home: first one to split, then second to fix split
14:26.00hrw|workBernardo: can you forward me your nomination mail?
14:26.26Bernardohrw|work: sure, to what email?
14:27.33hrw|workopenembedded@hrw.one.pl
14:27.37hrw|workand thx
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14:28.55Bernardoit's on the way
14:29.22lardmanmickeyl: with your shepherd build, you may need to remove keylaunch otherwise you can't login
14:29.47hrw|workok
14:30.51hrw|workBernardo: got it - thx
14:32.56RPmickeyl: Thinking back to my build there are some issues with cario and gpe-bootsplash fails. No great loss IMO though ;-)
14:35.19Bernardobrb
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14:46.37Bernardowell, I didn't win the serial cable... some bastard snipped me
14:48.07hrw|workI have to dig schematics and send them with some connectors to friend - he will make some
14:48.27lardmanmickeyl: Are you after GPE w/ 2.6 for screenshots? If so, I have it running. I can also give you the zImage & initrd.bin if you want to do them yourself (zimage from 26th initrd.bin from 28th)
14:50.20hrw|workBernardo: nominated OE and OZ
14:50.22Bernardohrw|work: where do you get the connectors?
14:50.29hrw|workin US
14:51.25hrw|workhttp://www.fivestarassoc.com/Z/
14:51.59hrw|work8 usd for connector, 35 usd for 5pack
14:52.19hrw|work30 usd for serial cable
14:53.58chouimatmorning
14:54.16hrw|workhi chouimat
14:56.23lardmanTrying to get tremor from svn. Am behind a proxy (which I've setup in ~/.subversion/servers) but my proxy appears to not allow REPORT requests, so I get an error:
14:56.24lardmansvn: REPORT of '/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.xiph.org)
14:56.48lardmanCan anyone think of a work around (other than downloading by hand and sticking it in my source dir with a .md5)
14:57.13hrw|workno ideas
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15:02.19bhimaGood morning. I have an h5555 with familiar 0.8.2, and want to upgrade to a 2.6 series kernel for BlueZ HID support. What's the best way to proceed?
15:08.03treke|homethe best way is to ask in #handhelds.org
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15:08.39bhimaahh, ok. I tried #familiar first. Thanks.
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15:50.44Bernardohave a nice weekend, guys!
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15:55.36hrw|workcu wednesday guys
15:55.47lardmanbye hrw, have a nice time
15:55.53hrw|workI will
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17:23.08SirFredGood evening
17:25.45mallumis libtool-native known to be borken ?
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17:49.19kergothbleh. too much sleep
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17:49.33man-dihello all
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17:54.15mallumkergoth: heya
17:54.21kergothhey
17:54.44trekekergoth.
17:56.18trekekergoth: what do you think of adding _cvs and _svn to the default oemask in the openembedded tree?
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18:01.20kergothtreke: hmm, not that bad an idea, but i think i'd rather see all the _svn and _cvs packages just get their DEFAULT_PREFERENCE lowered.  then they're still used, but only if there's no other available version, or the user explicitly requested it with PREFERRED_VERSION_
18:01.32kergothbrb
18:01.38trekeI'm off to lunch
18:02.18trekebut I'm just wondering if we'd be better off if  they were never the only version of something in a tree
18:02.34kergothi think that would be best, yeah
18:02.39trekejust trying to think of ways to stabilize things
18:02.49trekesince that would hopefully make it easier to get releases out the door
18:02.52kergothby oemasking them, then itd error if that was the case, which might be best
18:03.51trekegonna grab some lunch and maybe think about it
18:04.15man-disomeone here except reenoo interested in Java suppport?
18:04.30trekeI'm thinking that the common case is that we might want to unmask certain very specific cvs items during a particular development cycle
18:04.34trekelike maybe opie
18:05.08trekebut otherwise we don't necessarily need to rebuild everything
18:05.42trekeif we did that, we'd probably want a tool for generating cvs snapshot bb's from the cvs bb
18:05.51trekewhich wouldnt be horribly tough
18:06.04CosmicPenguinThats not a bad idea at all
18:06.44trekeyou could do the CVS_DATE thing, but that is more likely to run into problems when DEPENDS/build system changes are mad
18:06.46trekemade
18:17.06CosmicPenguinHow does bitbake determine if the cache needs to be regenerated due to .conf change?  By timestamp on the files?
18:23.21mallumis libtool-native known to be broken ?
18:23.43mallumIm getting; configure: error: source directory already configured; run "make distclean" there first
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18:27.07CosmicPenguinmallum: when did you last pull?
18:27.35CosmicPenguin~lart me for my horrible perl skilz
18:28.10CosmicPenguinThere has to be an intellegent way to handle the bitbake spinner when piping the output in perl
18:28.46kergothCosmicPenguin: if you pipe the output of bitbake to anything but a real tty, it disables the spinner.  that was intentional, so our logs arent filled with garbage when you tee it off
18:29.00CosmicPenguinkergoth: hmmm...
18:29.16kergothit just goes "please wait..." instead
18:29.17CosmicPenguinkergoth: so I wonder why system('bitbake <blahblah> |") isn't working
18:29.40kergothdoes perl have a popen()? if so, thats probably what you want
18:29.47kergothbrb
18:34.01CosmicPenguinhmm.... intersting
18:35.13CosmicPenguinbitbake -c fetch foo | more doesn't print 'Parsing .bb files, please wait...'
18:37.34mallumCosmicPenguin: about 2 hours ago
18:38.25CosmicPenguinmallum: oh - I haven't pulled recently
18:38.36mallumhmm
18:38.37CosmicPenguinmallum: but it worked a couple of days ago - mabye some new evil has made its way into the tree
18:39.06kergothCosmicPenguin: does 'more' buffer by line? Please wait... doesnt get a newline until its done...
18:39.14kergothif you wait for the parse to compelte, do you see it then? :P
18:39.45CosmicPenguinkergoth: Yeah, I just figured that out
18:39.51kergothhehe
18:39.52CosmicPenguinGotta be a tad smarter then the paging app
18:41.38CosmicPenguinhmm.... so, why oh, why isn't it working in god forsaken perl
18:49.37mallumCosmicPenguin: hmm, I get the same error from an older bb
18:50.08mallumCosmicPenguin: this is a on a fresh-ish hoary install, I guess Im maybe missing something external :/
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19:04.11CroftonCosmicPenguin, http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/23/penguins_in_airport_.html
19:12.36CosmicPenguincute
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19:33.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, i picture that seen from the movie airplane where the guys with guns go walking through the detectors, and the old is the one that sets it off
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19:40.28CosmicPenguinHey, that was in DIA tooi
19:40.30CosmicPenguinwhat fun
19:46.15trekeha
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20:05.24CosmicPenguinThings are just not going right today
20:06.33CosmicPenguinI thought I could override variables in my local.conf from the environment, but apparently no
20:06.43trekenope
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20:06.59trekethough I think you could a long long time ago
20:07.28CosmicPenguindamn damn
20:08.23CosmicPenguinBut you can set them via environment, assuming they don't get set again in the .conf files - I've used that recently with DEBUG_BUILD
20:16.04trekemaybe while I'm setting this up, I should make it a bit more self contained
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20:18.41CroftonI am having a really stupid problem getting a patch to apply from a bb file
20:18.44Croftonhttp://pastebin.ca/10592
20:18.55CroftonI am doing anything super dumb here
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20:24.22PigiCiao all
20:26.18CosmicPenguintreke: at some point, you posted the script you used to keep the source directory up to date - I don't suppose that code is still floating around is it?
20:26.35trekeCosmicPenguin: it is, but I'm sitting here rewriting it all right now
20:26.41CosmicPenguinheh
20:26.48trekebefore it sort of expected everything to be set up just so
20:26.53CosmicPenguinI'm playing with a similar beast
20:27.07CosmicPenguinTrying to loop through all of my platforms and images
20:27.12treketrying to get something that basically boils down to "edit config file" "run script"
20:27.22CosmicPenguinAnd it would help if my fucking proxy didn't suck donkey balls
20:27.47trekethe next version will handle expiring old source :p
20:28.08trekeand not storing everything in one f*cking directory
20:28.15trekeyay no more 9MB directory listings
20:28.28CosmicPenguinperl based?
20:28.34trekefuck no
20:28.36CosmicPenguinheh
20:28.38trekebash
20:28.45CosmicPenguinhmmm....
20:28.47trekewe aren't really dealing in complicated stuff here
20:29.02trekecd here, pull here, run bitbake, clean this up
20:29.16CosmicPenguinAhh
20:29.26trekebitbake does the heavy lifting
20:29.28CosmicPenguinI'm trying to e-mail myself when packages don't resolve
20:29.48CosmicPenguinIt seems like every time I set my manager up to use our tree, one or more things fail to resolve
20:29.51CosmicPenguinand then he yells
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20:35.25Crofton~bitbake-ng
20:37.24trekei've just got a long list of things to do for oe  hosting :p
20:37.34trekelast on the list is an upload script
20:39.33Crofton~sl-5500
20:39.34ibotit has been said that sl-5500 is the first Linux based retail version of the Zaurus. It has 64 MB RAM and 16 MB ROM.
20:40.31Crofton~sl-5000
20:41.25Crofton~sl-5000d
20:41.26ibotit has been said that sl-5000d is the developer version of the Linux based Zaurus. It has 32 MB RAM and 16 MB ROM.
20:43.24CosmicPenguindamn anonymous ftp
20:43.45CosmicPenguinIts pissin' me off Gina
20:47.39Croftonhttp://pastebin.ca/10595
20:47.54CroftonAnyone have any thoughts on why this patch is failing ....
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20:49.23CosmicPenguinCrofton: did you happen to look at the patch in question?
20:49.41Croftonyeah
20:49.53CosmicPenguinWhats going on at line 37?
20:50.21Croftonhttp://pastebin.ca/10596
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20:51.11CroftonI have dorked together patches before
20:51.22CroftonI think it will be obvious Monday AM
20:51.44CosmicPenguinIsn't that one line too many at the end of that chunk?
20:51.53Croftonhmmm
20:51.58Croftonit is possible
20:52.10Croftonprepare for stupid question:
20:52.18CroftonDoes that really make a difference?
20:52.27trekeCosmicPenguin: what i'm going to do is give you a config parameter for machines and distros you want it to run with
20:52.42CosmicPenguintreke: I think that would be perfect
20:52.44trekeso if you just want to do it for AMD's machine and distro, you're good
20:52.49trekerather than everything
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21:06.44bluelightninghi all
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21:07.49trekeibot bbcow
21:07.50ibotsomebody said bbcow was a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling.  It greatly reduces memory consumption.  Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/.
21:08.13trekeshit
21:08.24trekebbcow requires patches tot he metadata repository?
21:09.23Croftonpatched the classes stuff maybe?
21:09.30trekeyeah. no good
21:14.05CosmicPenguinnothing more frustrating then a badly behaving proxy
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21:42.40trekeIs it posible to overrite the directory where a cvs tree is put?
21:42.43trekeoverride
21:43.16trekeah nm
21:43.19trekeI see it :p
21:43.29trekewas looking in fetcher.py and not bitbake.conf
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21:57.33trekeI'm going to not iterate over distros. I think it's unlikely enought to matter that it's just wasted runtime
21:57.41trekeif it proves to be a problem I'll change it
21:58.28CosmicPenguinThe only issue I could see is if some distro defined a strange PREFERRED_VERSIOn
21:58.38trekenot an issue
21:58.53trekeI don't let bitbake handle versioning, I check all of them
21:59.11trekein large part because the machine wasn't able to handle the full bitbake graph in memory :p
21:59.17CosmicPenguinheh
22:00.10trekedependency handling is't too big of a worry, since I don't think I've ever seen a package that is dependent on another package for do_fetch
22:00.57CosmicPenguinsigh - I have to handle six images across three machines
22:01.23CosmicPenguinThats a lot of parsing
22:01.33trekehehe three run throughs
22:02.37trekeas long as your images all use the same config params apart from machine just do bitake image1 image2 image3
22:03.33CosmicPenguinHmmm.... thats a good idea
22:04.14trekeand mickey was working on that bbshell thingy
22:06.25CosmicPenguinsigh - well behaved ftp servers just don't like the shit I'm telling them
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22:41.25LaibschSorry, this might seem a bit off-topic. In fact, the question is related to OE.  I guess python runs on the Zaurus, but what would be a good choice for GUI programming.  I'd like a widget set that works equally on Linux, Windows and the Z.  Any suggestions?  I have no clue about python yet.
22:42.29LaibschI guess pyqt would be possible?  Somehow I do not like Qt, but I cannot really say why.  As I said I am new to this stuff.
22:46.47trekepremirrors is your friend :p
22:51.39CosmicPenguinhmmm... python error
22:55.23CosmicPenguinOk - I give
22:55.29CosmicPenguinwhats the correct syntax of PREMIRRORS?
22:59.39trekeit's a class
22:59.51trekePREMIRRORS[func] = "0"
22:59.51trekePREMIRRORS () {
22:59.51trekeftp://.*/.*/    PENDING_DELETE_DIR
22:59.51trekehttp://.*/.*/   PENDING_DELETE_DIR
22:59.51treke}
22:59.57trekein premirrors.bbclass
23:07.50kergothCosmicPenguin: the entries are newline seperated, and there's no valid .conf syntax for something like that. that's why its defined using function syntax, then marked as not being a function :)
23:08.22trekehehe this is pretty nasty here :p
23:08.47trekein other news, I think the new mirror script works
23:08.52CosmicPenguinkergoth: ugh - thats sort of fugly
23:08.58CosmicPenguinbut if its effective, thats all that matters
23:09.12kergothyep, fugly indeed
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23:09.14CosmicPenguinBut let me say, that uri_replace function gave me a headache
23:09.26kergothitd be nice to support \n in variable metadata
23:09.27kergothoh well
23:09.53CosmicPenguinIt just works, dude
23:10.06kergothhehe. what are you working on?
23:10.08treke"don't try to undestand it, that's why you pay me"
23:10.20CosmicPenguinSo, can I define a variable in my local.conf, and use as the replacement then?
23:10.52CosmicPenguinkergoth: I'm trying to roll out the embedded build environment to a bunch of people who quite frankly, are only running linux because they have Redhat CDs
23:11.14kergothyou could define PREMIRRORS in local.conf, but only if you're okay with only having one replacement in the variable, since replacements are newline seperated
23:11.18CosmicPenguinkergoth: and my boss doesn't like that OE uses http / ftp /cvs and such to go out and get the packages from upstream - he wants them all grabbed from an internal mirror
23:11.20kergothheh, that doesnt sound fun
23:11.45CosmicPenguinkergoth: oh - I mean, can I define MYMIRROR="foo" in local.conf and use MYMIRROR in the PREMIRRORS "function"?
23:11.48kergothnod. been there, done that.  the CM guy at ti nearly shat (shitted?) himself
23:12.00kergothCosmicPenguin: yeah, that'd work fine
23:12.03kergothhehe
23:12.15kergothi finally got off my ass and called the movers to schedule things
23:12.28kergoththe truck will come some time between may 3rd and may 20th, and i havent packed yet
23:12.32CosmicPenguinshit
23:12.32kergothi better get a lot done this ewekend
23:12.33CosmicPenguindidn't work
23:12.34trekeCosmicPenguin: I can send it off to you once I finish testing a couple of things
23:12.43CosmicPenguintreke: that would be sweet
23:15.49CosmicPenguinHey, that works pretty nicely
23:16.42trekeyeah
23:17.29Luke-Jranyone know why firefox is trying to use my native libs?
23:17.34Luke-Jr| /lib/libgcc_s.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized
23:18.28trekebad svn
23:18.41Luke-Jrit's 1.0.3...
23:21.38trekeCosmicPenguin: just testing my premirrors
23:24.36CosmicPenguinAhh, this is perfect
23:26.36Luke-Jr?
23:28.33trekeif I wanted to point at a local directory, it would be file:///foo right?
23:28.45trekeoh doh
23:28.51trekeI see what I didr wrong
23:29.46CosmicPenguintreke: if you get something going, e-mail it to me
23:29.52CosmicPenguinibot: CosmicPenguin?
23:29.53ibotyou are probably Jordan Crouse or jordan.crouse@amd.com (work) or jordan@cosmicpenguin.net (home)
23:29.54trekewill do
23:30.02CosmicPenguinHave a good weekend all
23:30.09trekeit'll just take a hair bit more testing and I'll be good to go
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23:39.46trekefile:///storage/oe/source/archive/cvs-1.12.9.tar.bz2: Unsupported scheme.
23:40.01trekeLooks right to me :p
23:41.13Luke-Jradd support for file://
23:42.08trekewonder if this is covered in the manual
23:43.03Luke-Jribot: Luke-Jr?
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23:47.42trekesyntax seems right
23:48.07trekeat least as far s I'm reading fetch.py
23:48.29Luke-Jr"Unsupported scheme" means it doesn't recognise "file"
23:48.39Luke-Jrscheme is the part before :// in a URI
23:48.45trekeno shit
23:49.28trekethe question is figuring out why it's saying that
23:49.40Luke-JrYou're sure it supports file?
23:49.57trekeseeing as we use it all over the place... yes
23:50.18Luke-Jrhow about going to only :// instead of :///
23:51.01trekerelative file access tries to get a file out of the filesdir
23:51.24trekewhich isn't what I want here.
23:53.56trekeLuke-Jr: in bb if you reference a file locally it tries to find the "filesdir" for that bb. which will be in the same directory as the .bb itself and called "files","${PN}'","${PN}-${PV}", or "${PN}-${PV}-${PR}"
23:54.03trekewhichever is more specific
23:55.03trekePREMIRRORS is working fine if I specify an http resource
23:55.14trekeseems odd since the fetcher supports local files
23:55.59Luke-Jrwhat's PREMIRRORS?
23:56.07Luke-JrLike your mirror of everything?
23:56.22trekeit's a variable for specifying where oe should look before trying to get the file from SRC_URI
23:56.30Luke-Jrso yes
23:58.36Luke-Jripkg: Unknown typeflag: 0x4c: Illegal seek
23:58.41Luke-Jrany idea what that is?
23:58.47trekenope
23:59.41trekefuck it, i'll use the hack

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