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| 00:02.35 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3376 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): orinoco-modules: PCI patch no longer needed. Someone should have wondered why it was including pci in the first place... |
| 00:02.36 | zecke | *tired* |
| 00:02.44 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3375 10openembedded/packages/orinoco/ (orinoco-modules_0.15rc1.bb orinoco-modules_0.15rc2.bb): Merge |
| 00:02.48 | CIA-4 | 03RP 07 * r1.3369.1.8 10openembedded/ (6 files in 4 dirs): orinoco-modules: 0.15rc1 works with arm + 2.6 kernels - make default. Remove 0.13e-2.6 as unneeded now. Add makefile fixes. |
| 00:03.28 | RP | And on that note, I'll go to bed |
| 00:05.39 | zecke | how do I dereference something with perl? |
| 00:09.17 | treke | zecke: you about? |
| 00:09.57 | treke | ooops |
| 00:09.58 | treke | shit |
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| 00:13.41 | zecke | treke: hey |
| 00:14.22 | treke | you wouldnt happen to have a qt windows license, would you? :p |
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| 00:14.43 | zecke | treke: not directly |
| 00:14.48 | zecke | academic program though |
| 00:14.58 | treke | started writing an app for someone and realized that this qt3-win32 thing isnt actually complete :) |
| 00:15.05 | kergoth`bbl | whew |
| 00:15.09 | kergoth`bbl | god i'm out of shape |
| 00:16.23 | luke-jr_ | treke: could try porting to Qt4, but you probably knew that... |
| 00:16.26 | zecke | kergoth`bbl: good luck |
| 00:16.31 | treke | luke-jr_: I checked already |
| 00:16.37 | treke | code for qt4 doesnt seem to be up |
| 00:16.40 | treke | or I'm blind |
| 00:16.55 | luke-jr_ | There's alphas or betas... |
| 00:17.02 | kergoth`bbl | just need to fill in the cracks in my luggage and bring them out, then somehow find a way to fit the computer, clothes, and lots of random parts and things from my closet |
| 00:17.05 | treke | for x11 and macosx. Haven't seen the windows code |
| 00:17.13 | zecke | treke: Qt4/Win will be released when 4.0.0 is releases |
| 00:17.17 | treke | yeah |
| 00:17.20 | luke-jr_ | ah |
| 00:17.21 | treke | that's what I figured |
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| 00:24.05 | zecke | ljp_: http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000206.html <- oh oh |
| 00:24.36 | zecke | ljp_: I don't like that, TT is really changing... |
| 00:27.50 | treke | zecke: you see that ben meyer is going to work for trolltech? |
| 00:28.53 | zecke | treke: I've heard it, but I wonder what his tasks will be and where he will work... |
| 00:30.01 | zecke | treke: http://www.informit.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0131240722&rl=1 <- just for the title,picture,isbn-# |
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| 00:30.30 | treke | yeah |
| 00:30.36 | treke | found it just checking local stock |
| 00:30.47 | zecke | treke: do you know if he will be working on Qtopia? |
| 00:31.23 | treke | no idea |
| 00:31.31 | treke | I'm guessing not since he's going to norway |
| 00:32.37 | zecke | I'm going to work for Trolltech when hell freezes and they open an office in my town... |
| 00:32.40 | zecke | whatever comes first |
| 00:32.44 | zecke | good nit |
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| 01:34.45 | robert___ | hi all |
| 01:35.19 | robert___ | proti: is it ok? |
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| 07:39.06 | XorA | morning |
| 07:46.28 | RP | morning all |
| 07:49.40 | XorA | my work machine sounds like a 747 taking off |
| 07:50.27 | RP | My build box "server" is like that. I ended up putting it in a different room :) |
| 07:52.37 | XorA | RP: I think its becuase "office" computers were never designed to actually do work |
| 07:53.49 | RP | This thing has dual 10" high speed fans which have something to do with the noise level :-/ |
| 07:54.23 | XorA | RP: I want that sort of monstering :-( |
| 07:57.00 | hrw|work | hi |
| 07:57.03 | hrw|work | GPE hates me |
| 07:57.05 | XorA | morning hrw|work |
| 07:57.15 | XorA | hrw|work: thats because your cursed by opie |
| 07:57.32 | hrw|work | XorA: why that .... does not have filemanager? |
| 07:57.54 | hrw|work | why it create /home/hrw/ramdisk/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/../hrw/ |
| 07:58.12 | XorA | hrw|work: the recursive link Ive no idea on, seems to be normal though |
| 07:58.22 | XorA | hrw|work: filemanager, yeah that would be nice |
| 07:58.47 | hrw|work | I had to login as root just to clean hrw account |
| 07:59.06 | hrw|work | because when logged as hrw nothing works "no .gpe dir" error.. |
| 08:00.48 | hrw|work | and one more thing... gpe image should have magnifier installed as "gpe-conf theme" (so called look & feel) does not work on user account |
| 08:01.21 | hrw|work | works ok on root account |
| 08:03.46 | XorA | hrw|work: works here |
| 08:04.42 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.42 | XorA | hrw|work: did you start from ox-3.5.3? |
| 08:05.49 | hrw|work | no |
| 08:05.57 | XorA | hrw|work: well then maybe work in progress :-) |
| 08:06.03 | hrw|work | distro=openzaurus and date 20050520 iirc |
| 08:06.46 | XorA | that reminds me actually xrandr is b0rked |
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| 08:10.58 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:11.09 | hrw|work | hi koen |
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| 08:19.29 | koen | Linux c7x0 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 #1 PREEMPT Thu May 12 12:02:24 CEST 2005 armv5tel unknown |
| 08:19.30 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.46 | koen | RP: I like 2.6 on my Z :) |
| 08:19.56 | hrw|work | I booted my gpe husky so often today.... |
| 08:20.01 | hrw|work | ~hail sysrq+b |
| 08:20.03 | ibot | ACTION bows down to sysrq+b and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 08:20.31 | RP | koen: I'm pleased its working well :). |
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| 08:22.54 | reenoo_ | morning |
| 08:25.06 | RP | morning reenoo_ |
| 08:27.22 | reenoo_ | hey RP |
| 08:27.44 | XorA | RP: yeah, your 2.6 rocks |
| 08:28.10 | XorA | RP: though CF on 2.6.12-rc3-mm2 is delicate |
| 08:28.37 | koen | hey reenoo_ |
| 08:28.48 | hrw|work | 2.6 rocks, gpe sucks |
| 08:28.51 | koen | as long as cf-wifi and sd work, I'm happy |
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| 08:32.48 | reenoo_ | yo koen |
| 08:33.46 | koen | eeks! |
| 08:33.50 | koen | not the xrom |
| 08:34.18 | hrw|work | XorA: on CF I have nand backup of opie ;) |
| 08:35.13 | XorA | never diss the GPE until you tried the worst |
| 08:35.46 | hrw|work | XorA: in corner of screen I have look&feel window which waits for his own death |
| 08:36.08 | hrw|work | I think that it will dissapear in next few minutes |
| 08:36.19 | XorA | hrw|work: it would have been advisable to start from stable point, then work by upgrades |
| 08:36.30 | hrw|work | I have weird not-needed symlinks to symlinks |
| 08:36.48 | hrw|work | and no filemanager ;( |
| 08:38.21 | hrw|work | can someone create meta-gpe-all.bb? |
| 08:39.40 | koen | ipkg install gpe-filemanager :) |
| 08:40.35 | koen | XorA: sometimes I think minimo is worse than X or glibc compiling |
| 08:40.48 | hrw|work | minimo fetching is nightmare |
| 08:43.48 | koen | it used to be even worse |
| 08:43.59 | koen | it fetched a script that started another fetch |
| 08:44.12 | koen | so CVSDATE didn't work on minimo |
| 08:46.39 | reenoo_ | heh |
| 08:47.49 | reenoo_ | does minimo work any better in current versions btw? (compared to the version shipped with familiar 0.8.2) |
| 08:48.08 | reenoo_ | like.. does the back button work? |
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| 08:48.20 | XorA | reenoo_: sometimes it renders html |
| 08:49.07 | reenoo_ | XorA: I figured that much and switched back to dillo2 |
| 08:49.17 | reenoo_ | sad, but true |
| 08:49.40 | XorA | reenoo_: dillo2 is ok for a lot of stuff, wish we had a later one though |
| 08:49.48 | XorA | reenoo_: I have firefox on my Z |
| 08:54.08 | XorA | reenoo_: links x11 works well :-) |
| 08:54.24 | reenoo_ | heh |
| 09:02.11 | koen | minimo and firefox are a great way to test OOM on my corgi |
| 09:02.46 | reenoo_ | koen: does osb-browser work for you? |
| 09:02.58 | koen | haven't testet that in a while |
| 09:03.34 | reenoo_ | well, I know that current CVS builds again. haven't got to testing it on a device yet. |
| 09:03.58 | hrw|work | | /bin/sed: can't read /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/husky/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/glib-2.0-2.6.4-r0/glib-2.6.4/glib/libglib-2.0.la: No such file or directory |
| 09:04.19 | RP | XorA: CF handling should be more stable in the recent 2.6.12-xxx kernels, not more fragile :-( |
| 09:04.29 | hrw|work | it should not look in tmp/work for that.. (got it during gnome-vfs-dbus build) |
| 09:04.50 | XorA | RP: hotplug never unmounts the FS when you do cardctl eject, the kernel then tends to oops |
| 09:05.02 | XorA | RP: hostap tends to lock up after a while |
| 09:05.21 | XorA | RP: have to reboot to get wireless back |
| 09:05.50 | RP | XorA: If mickey's added the latest udev to oe, I'd try adding that and see if it helps |
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| 09:06.04 | XorA | RP: ok, Ill try next time Im flashing |
| 09:06.35 | RP | XorA: I keep meaning to try it myself but haven't got there yet :) |
| 09:08.08 | XorA | RP: I actually dreamed about bootloaders last night :-) |
| 09:14.16 | mickeyl | morning folks |
| 09:14.31 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 09:15.22 | reenoo_ | moin mickeyl |
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| 09:17.51 | hrw|work | heh.. I will start reporting GPE building bugs |
| 09:18.13 | hrw|work | NOTE: [11:14] package gnome-vfs-dbus-2.8.4.4-r0: task do_compile: failed |
| 09:18.56 | hrw|work | why it search for dbus and glib in tmp/work/ |
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| 09:24.04 | robert___ | hi all |
| 09:24.41 | robert___ | proti: is it ok? |
| 09:28.21 | hrw|work | GPE stuff is not buildable after cleaning tmp/work/ |
| 09:29.31 | hrw|work | http://pastebin.ca/12499 |
| 09:34.19 | RP | morning mickeyl: |
| 09:34.57 | RP | XorA: That's just scary :) |
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| 09:37.19 | b0ti|work | hrw|work: why do you need orbit? |
| 09:39.05 | CoreDump|afk | morning |
| 09:39.14 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: ask maintainer not me |
| 09:39.16 | koobla | hi all |
| 09:39.30 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump |
| 09:41.56 | b0ti|work | hrw|work: gconf-dbus satisfies gconf, so build gconf-dbus because that doesn't need orbit. |
| 09:42.32 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: I build what OE want to build. if something can be done better then it is maintainer work |
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| 09:42.58 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: I can change opie and console stuff.. dont want to touch gpe/x11 stuff at all |
| 09:43.57 | koobla | can i append a package to a task dependency list? like DEPENDS_task-bootstrap ? |
| 09:44.11 | koobla | +="mono" |
| 09:44.52 | koobla | sorry, dang copy+paste=chaos |
| 09:45.16 | koen | BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS +="mono" |
| 09:45.23 | koobla | :)) thanks! |
| 09:45.33 | koen | and _RDEPENDS |
| 09:46.09 | koobla | koen: whats the rdepends for? |
| 09:47.24 | koen | Runtime Depends |
| 09:47.49 | b0ti|work | hrw|work: this has happened to me the other day. My package was built against gconf-orbit, so I rebuilt gconf-dbus and after that my package was linked against gconf with dbus. I don't know where you can set which gconf you want to use. |
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| 09:50.28 | koobla | koen:thx |
| 09:53.49 | hrw|work | ARGHHH |
| 09:54.06 | hrw|work | ~curse gpe maintainers^wstuff for looking into tmp/work |
| 09:54.07 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, gpe maintainers^wstuff for looking into tmp/work ! |
| 09:54.32 | hrw|work | there is tmp/staging/ for that stuff NOT the tmp/work! |
| 09:54.35 | hrw|work | argh... |
| 09:54.45 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3377 10openembedded/packages/python/ (python_2.4.1.bb python-2.4.1-manifest.inc): |
| 09:54.45 | CIA-4 | Compile the Python core as a shared library - this way external programs can embed it. |
| 09:54.45 | CIA-4 | Add python-tests, python-libold, python-tkinter, python-bsddb, and python-devel packages |
| 09:55.04 | hrw|work | now I have to rebuild whole gpe libs just to compile gpe-helloworld... |
| 09:55.16 | koen | hrw|work: that's a libtool problem |
| 09:55.28 | koen | the whole .bb doesn't look in /tmp, only staging |
| 09:55.45 | hrw|work | koen: I didnt have that libtool problem with other stuff |
| 09:56.01 | koen | mickeyl: do we have 99% coverage now with python modules? |
| 09:56.12 | koen | hrw|work: check the .bb, it only mentions staging |
| 09:57.10 | koen | I know libtool stores paths in .la files, so it's better to blame libtool than the .bb maintainer |
| 09:57.18 | hrw|work | ~curse libtool |
| 09:57.20 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, libtool ! |
| 09:58.15 | mickeyl | koen: 95% and counting |
| 09:58.17 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:00.20 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3376.1.1 10openembedded/packages/gnome/gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gnome-vfs-dbus_2.8.4.4.bb: gconf->gconf-dbus |
| 10:02.16 | hrw|work | I hate libtool (now even more then gpe was hated in the morning) |
| 10:05.03 | XorA | hrw|work: libtool and auto* does my nut in |
| 10:15.58 | Hertog | hmm, just finished opie-image and meta-opie, had to adapt meta-opie (remove knights and uae) and 'create' a gnutls_1.0.24, but other than that, all went fine. |
| 10:16.18 | hrw|work | Hertog: uae... forgot to remove that from meta-opie.. |
| 10:16.45 | hrw|work | and we have to decide what to do with knights.. its unfetchable ;( |
| 10:17.19 | Hertog | yeah, tried to find the sources, but nowhere to be found |
| 10:18.43 | Hertog | hrw|work: there is already a bugreport on the gnutls thing. I just copied the .23 to .24 and removed the patch (haven't checked if it was still needed tho) |
| 10:19.20 | koen | hrw|work: that one: http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.0/package-sources/knights.tar.gz ? |
| 10:19.29 | hrw|work | koen: yep |
| 10:19.29 | koen | oz.org should have one too |
| 10:19.38 | XorA | hrw|work: uae is dead? |
| 10:19.46 | koen | thanks to that gpl bullcrap |
| 10:19.54 | hrw|work | XorA: uae yes. e-uae exist |
| 10:20.20 | XorA | hrw|work: should import AROS :-) |
| 10:21.49 | hrw|work | heh.. it looks like my home machine hang again |
| 10:22.28 | hrw|work | in moments like this I dont like linux/x86... no method to get dmesg after reboot |
| 10:23.54 | XorA | hrw|work: right it to cmos |
| 10:24.15 | Hertog | hrw|work: eh, indeed, that would be handy in case of 'mysteriously hanging remote machines' |
| 10:24.33 | koen | hrw|work: I put all messages into syslog |
| 10:24.49 | hrw|work | XorA: on amiga I could boot into shell and use amigaos version of dmesg which scan whole ram for linux dmesg buffer |
| 10:24.54 | koen | that catches the most obvious ones |
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| 10:26.07 | XorA | hrw|work: log to lpt1: |
| 10:26.42 | Hertog | XorA: Hehe, read Clifford Stoll's "The coocoo's egg"? |
| 10:27.11 | hrw|work | XorA: ;) |
| 10:27.13 | XorA | Hertog: the what and what? |
| 10:27.23 | hrw|work | XorA: I have it disabled since eons |
| 10:28.09 | Hertog | XorA: http://mostlyfiction.com/adventure/stoll.htm |
| 10:28.42 | Hertog | XorA: (and it isn't fiction btw) |
| 10:28.57 | hrw|work | nice book |
| 10:29.22 | XorA | Hertog: same story is in hacker crackdown is it not? |
| 10:29.26 | hrw|work | how to trace connection in times when ping, traceroute was not written |
| 10:29.42 | Hertog | XorA: don't know that one |
| 10:29.45 | XorA | hrw|work: X.25 tracing used to be fun |
| 10:30.02 | XorA | Hertog: Bruce Sterling, its available on internet to download, also in shops to buy |
| 10:30.14 | Hertog | hrw|work: indeed ;) tracking from phone switchboard to phone switchboard ;) |
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| 11:28.52 | Hertog | hmm, the bluetooth modules for the 2.6 kernel need the setserial util... |
| 11:29.07 | Hertog | should that be added to the dependency list? |
| 11:29.24 | koen | do they really need it? |
| 11:29.36 | koen | my bt card worked withouth setserial |
| 11:29.38 | Hertog | serial_cs seems to... I'll check it |
| 11:29.43 | koen | using serial_cs |
| 11:29.50 | Hertog | koen: what card is it? |
| 11:30.01 | koen | BT0100M |
| 11:30.23 | Hertog | new or old one (bt0101M on label?) |
| 11:30.35 | koen | panbt0101M on the label |
| 11:30.49 | Hertog | koen: with the honking bright blue led? ;) |
| 11:30.56 | koen | yes! |
| 11:31.00 | Hertog | hehe |
| 11:31.07 | Hertog | isn't working for me |
| 11:31.20 | Hertog | have all unknown tty;s |
| 11:31.30 | koen | mickeyl has the same, and it's working for him too |
| 11:31.41 | koen | you do have to remember it registers a ttyS3 |
| 11:31.45 | Hertog | in cat /proc/tty/driver/serial (exept for ttyS0) |
| 11:32.09 | Hertog | yeah I know (it tells me :)) but hciconfig gives nothing |
| 11:32.28 | koen | you have to hciattach it first |
| 11:32.36 | Hertog | duh ;) |
| 11:33.11 | Hertog | :) somewhere I knew that ;) hmm, now what was that command line again? ;) |
| 11:33.15 | koen | you don't want to know how many people get that wrong |
| 11:33.39 | koen | hciattach /dev/ttyS3 bcsp |
| 11:33.43 | koen | that should work |
| 11:35.02 | Hertog | ;) bingo... hmm, that something that hcid does for you on laptops and stuff? |
| 11:35.15 | koen | not sure |
| 11:35.26 | koen | serial dongles need special care |
| 11:35.37 | koen | usb and straight pcmcia ones don't need hciattach |
| 11:35.58 | Hertog | Next USB CF card ;) a sitecom CN-501 ;) |
| 11:36.17 | Hertog | ah, and in laptop I use it with a cf->pcmcia convertor |
| 11:36.23 | reenoo | hcid is unrelated to hciattach |
| 11:37.18 | Hertog | Hmm, now to make the pcmcia script smart enough to do the hciattach line upon insertiona |
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| 11:47.44 | mickeyl | on most models with recent versions of bluetooth tools this card should work out of the box now |
| 11:47.51 | mickeyl | hciattach is called automatically |
| 11:48.15 | mickeyl | the only problem is the cardmgr who doesn't pick it up as ttyS3 yet |
| 11:49.52 | mickeyl | s/who/which/ |
| 11:49.55 | mickeyl | on some kernels |
| 11:52.12 | Hertog | mickeyl: recent versions as in cvsdate and bk pull on yesterday? ;) |
| 11:53.35 | mickeyl | yeah, that should be enough |
| 11:53.38 | mickeyl | where's your problem? |
| 11:54.20 | mickeyl | does cardmgr recognize the card? if not we may have to add a new signature to bluetooth.conf |
| 11:55.13 | Hertog | Z860, the BT0101M card. Upon insertion, cardmgr recognizes the card (it's the last one added to bluetooth.conf, with the opie comment), but hciattach is not called automagically |
| 11:55.48 | mickeyl | paste me the logread output |
| 11:55.52 | mickeyl | upon insertion |
| 11:57.50 | mickeyl | I'm really against any userland utilities except cardmgr calling hciattach, irattach, and friends. It's a conceptional breach if they do - hence we have to fix it @ cardmgr layer. |
| 11:58.25 | koen | mickeyl: power saving |
| 11:58.37 | koen | on ipaqs you need to call it to save power |
| 11:59.12 | koen | unless you want all serial bt dongles to be powered on at all times |
| 11:59.18 | Hertog | mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/12506 |
| 11:59.25 | mickeyl | no problem, cardmgr deals with that |
| 11:59.31 | mickeyl | this is what we have cardctl suspend for |
| 11:59.47 | koen | and for serial dongles on the pxa uart? |
| 11:59.56 | koen | say, all ipaqs with bluetooth? |
| 12:00.26 | mickeyl | Hertog: ok, you suffer from two problems. |
| 12:00.42 | mickeyl | Hertog: 1st) like i said, cardmgr gets the tty id false. no idea why |
| 12:01.00 | mickeyl | 2st) you need setserial or else the bluetooth script doesn't continue... the next operation after setserial is calling hciattach |
| 12:01.29 | Hertog | That's what I thought, hence my question for dependancy on setserial |
| 12:01.50 | mickeyl | yeah, lets add it anyway |
| 12:01.53 | mickeyl | it's small |
| 12:02.35 | koen | mickeyl: why is setserial needed? |
| 12:02.47 | koen | the card works on both my ipaq and z without setserial |
| 12:03.17 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl * r211 10bitbake/bin/bitbake: |
| 12:03.17 | CIA-4 | Mickey's style and performance tunings, volume I: |
| 12:03.17 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.17 | CIA-4 | It's faster, more understandable and looks much better |
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| 12:04.02 | hrw|work | heh.. I have to get some time to work on bittest then |
| 12:04.14 | mickeyl | # |
| 12:04.14 | mickeyl | # Serial devices |
| 12:04.14 | mickeyl | # |
| 12:04.14 | mickeyl | start_serial() { |
| 12:04.14 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.15 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.16 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.18 | mickeyl | } |
| 12:05.01 | koen | just for setting an irq? |
| 12:05.13 | mickeyl | looks like it |
| 12:05.22 | koen | do we *really* *need* that? |
| 12:05.32 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 12:05.35 | mickeyl | why are you so against setserial? |
| 12:05.37 | mickeyl | it's a tiny utility |
| 12:05.40 | koen | giving the complaints we've been getting about bloat and stuff |
| 12:05.43 | mickeyl | uhm |
| 12:05.51 | mickeyl | setserial is small and very handy |
| 12:06.00 | koen | it is |
| 12:06.01 | mickeyl | if you don't want to ship it, patch this script |
| 12:06.18 | mickeyl | there's more bloat on the GUI level than on the base level, so you better ignore users comments |
| 12:06.44 | koen | yeah |
| 12:06.45 | mickeyl | and i consider _alwin_ not to speak for the majority of OE developers |
| 12:06.45 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:06.48 | koen | I'm not on the PDA is pim-only groucho branch |
| 12:07.07 | koen | groucho/alwin even |
| 12:07.08 | mickeyl | don't forget... 'they who do the work are who make the decisions' |
| 12:07.14 | mickeyl | which would be... |
| 12:07.15 | mickeyl | us |
| 12:07.15 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:07.20 | koen | :) |
| 12:07.24 | Hertog | Eh, I'm using the Z as a laptopreplacement when having 'on call' duty :) |
| 12:07.24 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 12:07.25 | koen | did hrw add fuser yet? |
| 12:07.42 | hrw|work | koen: I had to but finally didnt |
| 12:07.51 | mickeyl | Hertog: could you take a stab at looking into why cardmgr picks up the serial port wrong? |
| 12:08.18 | koen | has anyone used the new 2.6 pcmcia thing yet? |
| 12:08.25 | Hertog | I'll try the lot and try to see what is going on. |
| 12:08.28 | mickeyl | Hertog: cool |
| 12:08.50 | mickeyl | koen: not yet. we need to stop shipping pcmcia-cs on 2.6 images |
| 12:08.55 | mickeyl | and substitute that with pcmciautils |
| 12:09.01 | mickeyl | then look what broke |
| 12:09.03 | mickeyl | i suspect a lot |
| 12:09.16 | mickeyl | because the manfid mappings are now in kernel :/ |
| 12:09.24 | mickeyl | a disputable decision, if you ask me |
| 12:09.30 | koen | they are? |
| 12:09.41 | koen | mayor crappiness |
| 12:09.42 | hrw|work | ha! changing hostname at work allow me to work with bk again |
| 12:09.48 | mickeyl | hrw|work: good |
| 12:10.04 | hrw|work | ~lart openlogging again |
| 12:10.33 | Hertog | in kernel? why not do it like the pci-id's.. |
| 12:11.04 | hrw|work | so we will have lspcmcia? |
| 12:11.10 | mickeyl | i hope there will still be a means to supply additional mappings via userland |
| 12:11.17 | koen | that would mean recompiling the kernel to get a new device recognized |
| 12:11.21 | mickeyl | having to add mappings via kernel patch would be a major suckage |
| 12:12.21 | koen | windows all over again |
| 12:12.27 | koen | reboot to use devices |
| 12:12.34 | mickeyl | i guess it's not that bad |
| 12:12.48 | mickeyl | i probably just overlooked the means to supply additional mappings yet |
| 12:13.02 | Hertog | Is there a quick way to refresh the Package file in the deploy/ipk dir? |
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| 12:13.28 | mickeyl | Hertog: call ipkg-make-index |
| 12:14.54 | hrw|work | or rebuild bootstrap-image |
| 12:22.12 | Hertog | (btw, is it just me or does OZ3.5.3 + kernel 2.6 feel a lot 'snappy'-er?) |
| 12:22.20 | mickeyl | that's right |
| 12:22.29 | mickeyl | it is more or less solely thanks to the kernel |
| 12:22.36 | mickeyl | the fb interface is faster and we enabled PREEMPT |
| 12:22.45 | mickeyl | that alone gives a much better experience |
| 12:23.21 | Hertog | indeed, I remember scrolling in the packagemanager took ages, first time I did it on the new kernel 't was like...wtf?! |
| 12:23.39 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:23.52 | koen | when you have >32mb ram |
| 12:23.53 | hrw|work | Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-sans into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-sans_1.10-r0_all.ipk |
| 12:23.56 | hrw|work | Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-sans-mono into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-sans-mono_1.10-r0_all.ipk |
| 12:24.00 | hrw|work | Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-sans-condensed into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-sans-condensed_1.10-r0_all.ipk |
| 12:24.03 | hrw|work | Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-serif into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-serif_1.10-r0_all.ipk |
| 12:24.06 | hrw|work | Packaged contents of ttf-dejavu-serif-condensed into /home/hrw/zaurus/oe/build/0422/tmp/deploy/ipk/ttf-dejavu-serif-condensed_1.10-r0_all.ipk |
| 12:24.28 | hrw|work | ttf fonts will have less common code ;( |
| 12:26.25 | hrw|work | do we have section for ttf fonts? |
| 12:27.48 | mickeyl | not yet |
| 12:27.53 | mickeyl | ttf ? |
| 12:28.11 | mickeyl | or rather |
| 12:28.12 | hrw|work | vera is in x11/fonts |
| 12:28.13 | mickeyl | fonts/ttf |
| 12:28.24 | mickeyl | yeah, i can live with x11/fonts |
| 12:28.36 | hrw|work | mickeyl: qpf are in opie/fonts so simple "fonts" is enough |
| 12:29.03 | mickeyl | depends. |
| 12:29.13 | mickeyl | i think i also would like to change the qpf fonts section to fonts/qte |
| 12:29.24 | hrw|work | ok |
| 12:30.18 | hrw|work | koen: libfontconfig needs how many libs? I want to RRECOMMEND libfontconfig-utils so opie-freetype user does not have to install fontconfig but can install ttf font package |
| 12:30.29 | koen | hrw|work: no idea |
| 12:30.32 | hrw|work | now going to lunch |
| 12:30.44 | mickeyl | bon appetit |
| 12:31.38 | hrw|work | thx |
| 12:32.29 | hrw|work | Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.95), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.8), libz1 (>= 1.2.2), libexpat0 (>= 1.95.7), libgcc1 (>= 3.4.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.2+cvs2004 |
| 12:32.53 | hrw|work | two libs - libfontconfig1 and libexpat0 |
| 12:33.25 | hrw|work | ~130KB |
| 12:35.18 | mickeyl | what of the libfontconfig-utils could we need ? |
| 12:35.21 | mickeyl | s/we/Opie/ |
| 12:50.52 | mickeyl | RP: ping |
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| 12:57.18 | RP | mickeyl: pong |
| 12:57.49 | mickeyl | RP: http://www.vanille.de/temp/collie.txt |
| 12:57.59 | mickeyl | RP: 10 BAP errors per second on 2.4.18-embedix |
| 12:58.10 | mickeyl | 0.15rc1 with Makefile.fix |
| 12:58.16 | hrw|work | mickeyl: opie? probably nothing |
| 12:58.36 | RP | mickeyl: It will be some incompatibility with 2.4 :-/ |
| 12:58.59 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:59.43 | RP | mickeyl: Have you tried it under 2.4 on the c7x0? |
| 12:59.55 | mickeyl | RP: no, not yet. |
| 13:00.17 | RP | Its not as if we want to go back to 2.4 :) |
| 13:00.22 | mickeyl | hell, no :) |
| 13:00.26 | RP | collie is a problem though :-/ |
| 13:00.35 | mickeyl | and all the others |
| 13:00.48 | RP | Yes :-/ |
| 13:00.52 | mickeyl | it'll be a while until the others 2.6 have production quality |
| 13:01.18 | RP | I might try and look into it |
| 13:01.41 | RP | I have a series of patches that apply to 0.13e that slowly upgrade it |
| 13:02.02 | RP | We should really each of those versions and see where it breaks |
| 13:04.12 | mickeyl | ya |
| 13:04.22 | mickeyl | nothing with high priority though |
| 13:04.42 | mickeyl | i'm happy that 0.15rc1 works on 2.6 now |
| 13:04.55 | hrw|work | and we probably have to resolve orinoco-modules versions in packages. orinoco-modules_0.13e-r0 is newer then orinoco-modules_0.13e-26. but that is gone with last changesets. now how to get orinoco-modules_0.13e on 2.4 c7x0 when in feed are orinoco-modules_0.13e (for 2.4) and orinoco-modules_0.15rc1 (for 2.6)? |
| 13:04.59 | RP | mickeyl: yes, that helps :) |
| 13:06.09 | RP | mickeyl: I removed your disable_pci patch btw as that was just hiding symptoms of the makefile problem |
| 13:06.19 | mickeyl | RP: fair enough |
| 13:06.46 | mickeyl | hrw|work: this problem is already gone |
| 13:06.58 | mickeyl | in the future that is |
| 13:07.09 | mickeyl | since we won't ship a c7x0 2.4 anymore |
| 13:07.15 | hrw|work | ok |
| 13:07.30 | RP | There is no longer any need for c7x0 2.4 (yippie) :) |
| 13:07.47 | hrw|work | who will bk rm it? |
| 13:08.14 | mickeyl | we need it |
| 13:08.17 | mickeyl | tosa |
| 13:08.29 | mickeyl | and poodle |
| 13:10.13 | mickeyl | guess i'll try the current state of tosa 2.6 later tonite |
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| 13:11.28 | RP | I would like it left around for now as it does give me something to compare with :-/ |
| 13:12.08 | hrw|work | mickeyl: by bkrm I mean all c7x0 2.4 stuff |
| 13:12.10 | mickeyl | anyone know what John Lenz is up to these days? i miss his status reports |
| 13:12.36 | RP | mickeyl: He seems to have lost interest/been busy :-/ |
| 13:12.42 | mickeyl | hrw|work: ah right. |
| 13:13.02 | mickeyl | RP: weren't there someone who picked up on poodle ? |
| 13:13.17 | RP | Last I heard, he couldn't get collie to boot under the latest 2.6.12-rc patches :-/ |
| 13:13.28 | RP | mickeyl: not really. Just people who poked at the easy bits :-/ |
| 13:13.41 | mickeyl | crumbs |
| 13:14.44 | mickeyl | with time progressing, chances fall rapidly that someone gives any love to collie and poodle |
| 13:14.58 | mickeyl | they're just too obsoleted nowadays. |
| 13:15.09 | hrw|work | Ania decided to not use collie |
| 13:15.15 | mickeyl | no? why's that |
| 13:15.42 | RP | mickeyl: I was donated a SL-5000 so maybe I might do something. I prefer the c7x0 though... |
| 13:15.55 | hrw|work | 'does not want to carry something valuable in the bag' thing |
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| 13:23.21 | hrw|work | mickeyl: and truely speaking for PDA for PIM I would prefer Sony Clie under PalmOS |
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| 13:24.38 | mickeyl | heh, me too |
| 13:25.18 | koen | I used to have truly great PIM: pocket agenda + pen |
| 13:25.20 | hrw|work | opie wont get good pim with qt/e 2.3 as it does not have sorting |
| 13:25.52 | hrw|work | gpe pim... never tried to use it |
| 13:28.01 | mickeyl | i stopped investing any energy in qte 2.3.x related things. my focus now lays on completing a nice set of qt based abstraction classes for various linux related services. these will be usable when the next big thing(tm) has been started |
| 13:28.51 | hrw|work | someone tried to get qt3/x11 from OE running on device? |
| 13:29.00 | mickeyl | none i know |
| 13:29.05 | mickeyl | no one, even |
| 13:29.16 | mickeyl | ah well |
| 13:29.19 | mickeyl | phil is using it |
| 13:29.21 | mickeyl | with mythtv |
| 13:29.30 | mickeyl | so it should build and work |
| 13:29.43 | hrw|work | he use it on pc so have rather more then 64M ram |
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| 13:30.02 | mickeyl | zautrix used qt3E for some apps |
| 13:31.08 | koen | used or abused? |
| 13:32.15 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:32.20 | mickeyl | is there a difference? |
| 13:32.25 | mickeyl | hi drw |
| 13:32.46 | hrw|work | hello drw |
| 13:33.33 | XorA | hrw|work: learn gtk :-D |
| 13:35.26 | hrw|work | XorA: I fart in gtk direction |
| 13:35.54 | XorA | hrw|work: gtk eats your farts and makes them look pretty! |
| 13:36.10 | hrw|work | XorA: but still stinks |
| 13:36.25 | drw | hi everyone |
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| 13:58.11 | hrw|work | hi pb |
| 13:58.33 | mickeyl | greetings pb_ |
| 13:59.17 | pb_ | mickeyl: good afternoon! |
| 13:59.20 | pb_ | hi hrw|work |
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| 14:11.02 | schurig | hmm, my bitbake moans about IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/src/mnci54/tmp/cache/oe_packages_linux_mnci-ramses_2.4.21-rmk2-pxa1.bb' |
| 14:11.21 | koen | rm '/usr/src/mnci54/tmp/cache/' -rf |
| 14:11.30 | koen | and rerun bitbake |
| 14:11.46 | schurig | but I have a file there that starts with _usr_src_mnci54_oe_packages_ ... |
| 14:12.02 | mickeyl | hey schurig. there have been many bitbake changes in the past days, most of them requiring to erase the cache |
| 14:12.23 | schurig | koen: did that |
| 14:12.32 | schurig | koen: and bitbake is fresh from svn, "BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.2.2, bitbake version 1.2.9" |
| 14:12.45 | koen | same here |
| 14:12.48 | schurig | but it always re-creates cache files with _usr_src_... as part of the file name |
| 14:14.29 | schurig | koen: what is the same, the bb version? Or that you have files that have _usr_src_ or _home_koen_ (or similar) in the cache dir? |
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| 14:18.51 | koen | bb version |
| 14:19.05 | koen | and stuff like _data_build_oe_openembedded_packages_zziplib_zziplib_0.10.82.bb in the cache/ dir |
| 14:20.19 | schurig | koen: I fixed it by changing bitbake's lib/bb/data_smart.py |
| 14:20.34 | schurig | koen: self.bbfile = name -> self.bbfile = os.path.abspath(name) |
| 14:20.43 | schurig | koen: it was confused about absolute and relative paths |
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| 14:55.48 | Arjan | hi, where can I find how to build a custom rootfs/initrd using openembedded? |
| 14:55.58 | Arjan | I can't find it on the wiki |
| 14:56.21 | Arjan | I'd like to build a custom initrd with touchscreen tests and bluez_utils |
| 14:57.15 | treke|home | read the getting started section |
| 14:57.27 | treke|home | then read the existing bb's in the meta directory |
| 14:57.48 | hrw|work | Arjan: select correct machine, one of ipk using distros, add some packages into BOOTSTRAP and build bootstrap-image |
| 14:59.04 | Arjan | thank you! |
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| 15:30.53 | schurig | koen: /me never likes StarWars |
| 15:31.44 | greg72|linux | schurig: Warum? |
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| 15:34.47 | hrw|work | cu |
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| 15:45.19 | schurig | greg72|linux: the fozzy-bear is laugable, as well as space ships that makes sound in the space vacuum ... they have nice weapons, but resort to ancient swordmastery |
| 15:48.43 | schurig | mickeyl: tomorrow morning 8 o'clock is the time ... |
| 15:48.53 | mickeyl | *crossing fingers* |
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| 16:06.29 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07 * r1.3379 10openembedded/packages/gpe-fsi/gpe-fsi_0.1.bb: Add gpe-fsi, a gui fronted for the fingerprintscanner found in the iPAQ h5xxx series |
| 16:07.33 | hrw | re |
| 16:07.39 | mickeyl | wb |
| 16:07.50 | CoreDump|work | hi hrw |
| 16:08.04 | hrw | any ideas why under GPE (logged as hrw not as root) I got root in terminal (not in root shell) |
| 16:08.07 | hrw | ? |
| 16:08.42 | hrw | gtk based soft cannot be used then... |
| 16:08.42 | koen | oooh, that's a nice feature |
| 16:09.10 | hrw | koen: especially when each tried soft does not run |
| 16:09.24 | hrw | I will reboot. |
| 16:12.15 | hrw | ARGH |
| 16:12.24 | hrw | ~shoot sharp for lack of rtc |
| 16:12.25 | ibot | ACTION shoots sharp for lack of rtc in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 16:20.37 | hrw | and thats enough gpe for now |
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| 16:28.14 | hrw | there is one good thing which sharp did in post collie Zauruses... |
| 16:28.21 | hrw | NAND Backup/Restore |
| 16:29.02 | hrw | restoring nand with opie working enviroment |
| 16:36.24 | mickeyl | yeah, however don't use the full backup too often |
| 16:36.56 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.04 | hrw | next attempt to gpe after oz 3.5.4 or ELD release |
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| 16:48.15 | koen|supper | is the akita kernel in OE yet? |
| 16:50.45 | hrw | it is |
| 16:51.34 | hrw | mickeyl: let opie-tm first allow to change/move/etc and then one button "do it" do all? or atleast busypointer when it is busy with moving... |
| 16:52.00 | koen | aha |
| 16:53.34 | hrw | heh.. its good to have pda which works.. |
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| 17:01.09 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3380 10openembedded/ (3 files in 3 dirs): improve howl packaging |
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| 18:10.29 | Ken|JLimeX | Anyone had a chance to look at my patches mail? |
| 18:11.34 | koen | only at the blackbox one |
| 18:11.51 | koen | which didn't compile, even after correcting the obvious mistakes |
| 18:12.13 | Ken|JLimeX | You didnt get it to compile? |
| 18:12.19 | koen | no |
| 18:12.39 | Ken|JLimeX | worked fine for me |
| 18:12.51 | koen | it had wrong depends, the src_uri was wrong and after fixing that it failed on xmb stuff during compile |
| 18:13.05 | koen | xfonts isn't in OE |
| 18:13.18 | koen | so bitbake blackbox-wm always fails |
| 18:13.42 | Ken|JLimeX | the depends might have been wrong agreed, i think i tried to fix them after i had it compiled. |
| 18:13.55 | Ken|JLimeX | xfonts is in OE, just need to point them out specificly with -b methink |
| 18:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | xfonts isn't in OE? |
| 18:14.09 | koen | xfonts-xorg is in OE |
| 18:14.38 | CosmicPenguin | good point |
| 18:16.40 | luke-jr__ | hmm... why would 'update' not be getting recent commits? has OE changed repository or something? |
| 18:19.21 | Ken|JLimeX | koen, could you apply what you got so i got something to work on? |
| 18:19.41 | koen | bk pull works ok for me |
| 18:19.41 | koen | last change was 2 hours ago |
| 18:20.53 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... its not often that pb_ goes missing this time of day |
| 18:20.58 | luke-jr__ | koen: I haven't got updates for over a day |
| 18:21.24 | luke-jr__ | http://pastebin.ca/12534 |
| 18:21.59 | RP | luke-jr__: bk parent bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded |
| 18:22.10 | RP | Just don't clone from there |
| 18:22.29 | luke-jr__ | um |
| 18:22.38 | luke-jr__ | sfioball? |
| 18:22.49 | koen | opensource crap software |
| 18:22.56 | luke-jr__ | better than immoral software |
| 18:23.15 | RP | luke-jr__: Well, change it to use that parent. I have no idea how to use that... |
| 18:23.26 | luke-jr__ | RP: ah... I specify the bk:// URI every update |
| 18:23.31 | luke-jr__ | RP: that worked, thanks |
| 18:23.31 | koen | ah, bero got OZ/uclibc to boot |
| 18:24.03 | RP | "immoral"? |
| 18:24.16 | luke-jr__ | koen: BTW, any chance that gpe-fsi thing would work on a Z? |
| 18:24.21 | luke-jr__ | RP: denying my rights |
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| 18:25.26 | RP | luke-jr__: I'm not going there... |
| 18:25.30 | koen | luke-jr__: if your Z is an ipaq h5xxx with a fingerprint sensor, yes |
| 18:26.01 | luke-jr__ | koen: so it's not something that would work with a touchscreen, correct? |
| 18:26.18 | koen | no, it requires libfsiclient to work |
| 18:26.30 | koen | and that only works with a samcop asic |
| 18:27.01 | RP | koen: I wonder if that's the same sensor in the hx2750? |
| 18:27.29 | koen | RP: the sensor is pretty simple, the way it is hooked up may not be |
| 18:28.28 | RP | koen: The one in the hx2750 is accessed via an spi like interface. I can't trace what it is though |
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| 18:39.15 | luke-jr__ | hmm |
| 18:40.03 | luke-jr__ | any idea what would cause image dates to be incorrect? OE seems to only be updating the date it uses in the filename in certain conditions |
| 18:44.28 | CosmicPenguin | you mean in the image filename? |
| 18:47.05 | luke-jr__ | right |
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| 19:07.47 | treke- | morning |
| 19:08.03 | Ken|JLimeX | hey |
| 19:08.04 | koen | 'morning treke- |
| 19:09.21 | koen | Ken|JLimeX: re: blackbox: I changed the SRC_URI to ${SOURCEFORE_MIRROR}/blackboxwm/bl... and xfonts to xfonts-xorg |
| 19:12.41 | Ken|JLimeX | Oki thx. |
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| 19:14.35 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 19:15.18 | treke | hey |
| 19:17.11 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3381 10openembedded/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: support multiple subpackages with different update-rc.d requirements |
| 19:19.03 | koen | pb_: resurrected your build machine again? |
| 19:19.13 | pb_ | no, sadly |
| 19:19.41 | pb_ | haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but I guess it needs a new motherboard or something. |
| 19:19.49 | koen | ouch |
| 19:20.19 | pb_ | well, could be worse. the motherboard isn't exactly an expensive part. |
| 19:20.35 | pb_ | it's a bit tedious to swap out, though, which is why I haven't done anything with it yet. |
| 19:20.52 | koen | especially with sharp-edged cases |
| 19:21.30 | CIA-4 | 03pb 07 * r1.3382 10openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: ship busybox httpd bits in a separate package; include update-rc.d call and /srv/www directory |
| 19:34.58 | [g2] | I've already built a custom Knoppix distro that builds OpenSlug and Unslung from the OE metadata with BitBake |
| 19:35.48 | [g2] | I'm getting ready to build and release a DVD edition that has a snapshot of the OE metadata and all the tarballs (less the Intel IAL) on it |
| 19:35.55 | pb_ | cute |
| 19:36.05 | [g2] | This would actually work for any OE built stuff |
| 19:36.15 | koen | [g2]: with a recent bitbake? |
| 19:36.36 | [g2] | koen, like yesterday's |
| 19:36.45 | pb_ | of course, for maximum points your live cd should be OE itself, not Knoppix |
| 19:37.06 | [g2] | pb_, I'll get to that, but one step at a time :) |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:37.12 | koen | [g2]: that will do quite good |
| 19:37.40 | [g2] | my purpose it to enable on the OpenSlug/Unslung users that don't run Linux |
| 19:37.53 | [g2] | and also a general embedded linux thing |
| 19:39.13 | [g2] | My question to the OE community is do you want this billed as an OE Knoppix or just an NSLU2-linux Knoppix that just uses OE |
| 19:39.38 | treke | if it's geared for nslu2 you should probably label it that |
| 19:39.56 | treke | or else people are going to wonder why everything else may not build well :) |
| 19:40.23 | [g2] | treke, everything else will builds as well as the state of the repo |
| 19:40.33 | [g2] | I just haven't done a bb world |
| 19:40.39 | [g2] | and pulled all the tarballs |
| 19:41.42 | [g2] | I have enough problems QA'ing OpenSlug... I'm not ready to attempt the whole OE repo yet :) |
| 19:41.50 | treke | yeah |
| 19:41.57 | treke | that's why I'd recommend branding it for openslug |
| 19:42.00 | pb_ | I think it's probably best to advertise it as just a slug thing. |
| 19:42.27 | [g2] | Actually it'll be slug / IXP4XX thing |
| 19:42.41 | pb_ | right, yeah, that's fine. |
| 19:42.41 | [g2] | I've got other OEM platforms that'll be added soon |
| 19:43.44 | pb_ | I think you should avoid labelling it as a generic OE thing, though: if people try to build some random target that hasn't been QAd with those bits, the chances that they will generate a working image are not that great. |
| 19:44.44 | koen | but we would be interest in the process of creating sucj a thing |
| 19:45.33 | pb_ | Creating similar live CDs for Familiar and OE development would be a great idea, but they probably need to be synced up with the release schedules of those projects so that the bits on the CD are the same ones that actually ship in the distro. |
| 19:45.47 | pb_ | or, at least, known to be compatible with the distro and the set of target machines |
| 19:46.10 | pb_ | er, "Familiar and OZ development", I meant |
| 19:47.15 | Ken|JLimeX | *chuckle* |
| 19:47.19 | koen | improving the meta-sdk would be nice too |
| 19:48.25 | pb_ | yeah. I think that's more or less an orthogonal problem, though. |
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| 19:49.35 | koen | hey zecke |
| 19:49.46 | zecke | hey |
| 19:50.39 | koen | zecke: http://boeventronie.net/en/docs/sun/netinstall/ |
| 19:50.47 | mickeyl | gawd we have many lous |
| 19:50.48 | koen | I did a similar thing with irix |
| 19:50.49 | mickeyl | ups |
| 19:50.54 | mickeyl | cut'n'paste error |
| 19:50.55 | mickeyl | evening |
| 19:51.08 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 19:52.19 | zecke | koen: thanks but I'll go the route I expect to work more easily :} |
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| 19:52.40 | zecke | koen: for FreeBSD I started the netiso via tftpd, also for debian.. |
| 19:53.02 | koen | I hit the 8 loopdevice limit :( |
| 19:53.09 | zecke | hehe |
| 19:53.48 | koen | irix 'only' has 12 cds |
| 19:54.52 | koen | ~lart irix 6.5.19 |
| 19:56.14 | koen | could it be that _append_akita doesn't work with bb svn 211 ? |
| 19:56.58 | mickeyl | what makes you think so? |
| 19:57.45 | koen | echo MACHINE=akita > conf/auto.conf ; bitbake virtual/kernel, that build the jlime kernel |
| 19:58.01 | mickeyl | what does bitbake -nv say virtual/kernel say ? |
| 19:58.07 | mickeyl | what does bbread|grep virtual/kernel say ? |
| 19:58.37 | pb_ | mickeyl: your remark about PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel_spitz = "foo" not working does make me a bit suspicious that something is wrong with the overrides. |
| 19:58.52 | pb_ | afaik, that syntax ought to be ok |
| 19:59.36 | mickeyl | pb_: hmm, zecke thought otherwise |
| 19:59.38 | mickeyl | zecke ? |
| 20:01.44 | pb_ | ah, maybe he's right. I guess that the overrides might not have been run at the time those variables get inspected. |
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| 20:01.59 | pb_ | I don't remember anymore where update_data actually gets invoked. |
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| 20:12.15 | Hertog | Hmm, wondering, is it at all possible to use CF cardreaders for devices other than memory cards? |
| 20:12.16 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07 * r1.3378.1.1 10openembedded/ (4 files in 2 dirs): remove opie-tabmanager which has gone to unsupported upstream |
| 20:13.04 | koen | mickey|bbl: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/bitbake-nv-virtual-kernel |
| 20:13.26 | zecke | bye pb_ |
| 20:15.11 | zecke | mickey|bbl: will you do that has_key change all over the place? |
| 20:15.15 | zecke | mickey|bbl: and is it really faster? |
| 20:15.57 | zecke | prefervar = bb.data.getVar('PREFERRED_PROVIDER_%s' % item, make.cfg, 1) |
| 20:17.56 | hrw | re |
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| 20:21.10 | Hertog | koen: you dodn't have any troubles at al with the BT0101M did you? |
| 20:21.30 | koen | it worked with my gps |
| 20:21.36 | koen | and it discovered my phone |
| 20:21.41 | koen | that's all I tested |
| 20:22.48 | Hertog | koen: could you check (if convenient) wether your machine autoloads the 82XX module before any bt action takes place? |
| 20:23.16 | koen | serial cs autoloads the 8251 modules, yes |
| 20:24.06 | Hertog | koen: what happens here: upon insertion of btcard, all modules get loaded, including the 8251 one, which promptly detects the 'real' serial connection (ttyS0) and passes that one on to the cardmgr |
| 20:24.31 | koen | yep |
| 20:24.53 | koen | that's why I have a /etc/sysconfig/bluetooth and the gpe-applet to start hciattach |
| 20:25.10 | koen | it's a bit of cheating,b ut it works |
| 20:25.18 | koen | I just copied over the bits from my ipaq |
| 20:36.41 | mickeyl | koen: bummer. is zaurus-clamshell-2.4 getting parsed ? |
| 20:36.55 | koen | yes |
| 20:38.00 | zecke | hmm |
| 20:38.16 | koen | PREFERRED_PROVIDERS="virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial virtual/arm-linux-gcc:gcc-cross virtual/arm-linux-g++:gcc-cross virtual/libqpe:libqpe-opie virtual/xserver:xserver-kdrive virtual/kernel:openzaurus-pxa27x" |
| 20:38.21 | koen | that's from bbread |
| 20:39.00 | zecke | openzaurus-pxa27x is known? |
| 20:39.04 | koen | yes |
| 20:39.10 | mickeyl | zecke: could there be a replace script doing that ? |
| 20:39.26 | zecke | mickeyl: what replace script? :} |
| 20:39.30 | koen | I set that as default in akita.conf below the clamshell-2.4.conf include and it worked |
| 20:39.44 | mickeyl | zecke: yes, it's faster. it has a shorter bytecode length (20 as opposed to 23) |
| 20:39.54 | mickeyl | zecke: talking about has_key vs. in |
| 20:40.21 | zecke | mickeyl: but if I di a in b: it needs to know if b can find out if it contains a |
| 20:40.40 | zecke | mickeyl: this means the type of b must be checked? instead of looking up has_key in the methods table |
| 20:40.56 | zecke | anyway I trust you |
| 20:41.01 | mickeyl | zecke: thanks :) |
| 20:41.03 | mickeyl | besides |
| 20:41.11 | mickeyl | the benefit if it being so much more readable does count as well |
| 20:41.22 | zecke | mickeyl: yupp |
| 20:41.27 | hrw | ok. qpf-dejavu will be pushed today |
| 20:41.31 | zecke | nice |
| 20:41.47 | zecke | mickeyl: koen : I will look into it after I finish my lab report |
| 20:42.12 | koen | zecke: no rush, I know how to work around it |
| 20:42.29 | koen | (and won't need it till someone ships me an akita ;)) |
| 20:42.48 | zecke | koen: document your error please (keep a backup of your conf data) |
| 20:43.48 | hrw | 3 lines long recipes;) |
| 20:44.31 | mickeyl | hrw: cool. fewer lines to maintain |
| 20:44.41 | hrw | mickeyl: all in one qpf-dejavu.inc |
| 20:45.01 | hrw | only DESCRIPTION and include left (and empty line between) |
| 20:47.39 | hrw | 14,841,992 bytes in 60 files - only qpf-dejavu*.ipk |
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| 20:51.01 | zecke | hehe |
| 20:52.12 | hrw | ok. pushed |
| 20:54.18 | hrw | 42,340,628 bytes in 720 files after unpack |
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| 21:03.35 | hrw | ~lart trolltech for creating QPF format |
| 21:03.45 | hrw | I have to regenerate all dejavu fonts |
| 21:04.16 | hrw | regular is bold italic, bold is bold, italic is italic |
| 21:04.44 | luke-jr__ | wpf? |
| 21:04.46 | luke-jr__ | qpf* |
| 21:05.00 | hrw | Qtopia Pregenerated Font |
| 21:05.04 | luke-jr__ | o |
| 21:05.20 | hrw | cretinism^format from tt |
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| 21:06.33 | hrw | run? no |
| 21:06.37 | hrw | build? maybe |
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| 21:07.02 | luke-jr__ | why not run? |
| 21:07.12 | luke-jr__ | I'd think if it builds, it would likely run... o.O |
| 21:07.31 | hrw | question is - does it build qith qt/x11 |
| 21:07.36 | hrw | and which qt/x11... |
| 21:08.36 | luke-jr__ | well, I'd try w/ the same Qt/X11 ver as the Qtopia it's designed for |
| 21:09.29 | hrw | 2.3.which? |
| 21:10.31 | luke-jr__ | 'which' would be bugfixes, I think |
| 21:10.34 | luke-jr__ | so the largest # |
| 21:12.38 | hrw | 2last 2.3 for x11 was 2.3.2 from November 2001... |
| 21:13.09 | luke-jr__ | that one, then |
| 21:14.39 | hrw | old.. |
| 21:14.46 | treke | qt 2.3 is old |
| 21:21.26 | zecke | luke-jr__: make menuconfig |
| 21:21.32 | zecke | luke-jr__: Configuration Libqpe-X11 |
| 21:21.34 | zecke | luke-jr__: make |
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| 21:24.55 | hrw | ok. restarted makeqpf - this time on Z |
| 21:24.58 | hrw | hi Dirk |
| 21:25.30 | chouimat|busy | zecke: you forgot the sun3 layer |
| 21:25.52 | hrw | zecke: remember my update-qtttffontdir.c? it have a small bug |
| 21:26.41 | zecke | chouimat|busy: probably |
| 21:26.49 | zecke | hrw: yupp |
| 21:26.55 | hrw | hmm.. makeqpf works mch faster on husky then was on collie |
| 21:27.11 | hrw | zecke: line 47: s/||/| |
| 21:27.18 | hrw | iirc |
| 21:28.02 | do13 | hi hrw |
| 21:28.12 | hrw | do13: how tosa/2.6 is going? |
| 21:29.02 | do13 | some parts are missing |
| 21:29.26 | mickeyl | please hurry up, i can't stand 2.4.18-embedix any longer ;)) |
| 21:29.47 | mickeyl | (just kidding, take your time) |
| 21:29.59 | hrw | mickeyl: help him if you need 2.6 :) |
| 21:30.07 | mickeyl | yeah, i knew that would be the answer |
| 21:30.11 | treke | mickey has enough to do :p |
| 21:30.36 | zecke | I hope Solaris10 doesn't wipe the disk... |
| 21:30.56 | do13 | mickeyl: blocking points are charging and touchscreen. |
| 21:31.10 | hrw | zecke: it only run mkswap on all linux partitions |
| 21:31.22 | mickeyl | do13: charging is done via a different interface than on the clamshells ? |
| 21:32.18 | do13 | yes. It's different. Battery voltage is read via AC97 codec. |
| 21:32.26 | mickeyl | ah right, that wolfson thingy |
| 21:33.28 | do13 | Basic AC97 stuff is running. I can hear music with the alsa driver :) |
| 21:33.41 | mickeyl | woot. screw touchscreen, we want music :D |
| 21:33.48 | mickeyl | no seriously, that's cool |
| 21:34.02 | mickeyl | the tosa has very good audio hardware |
| 21:34.33 | mickeyl | ibot: pester RP to take a look at alsa on c7x0 |
| 21:34.34 | ibot | RP to take a look at alsa on c7x0: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf |
| 21:35.04 | zecke | ok it wiped something... |
| 21:35.46 | hrw | fonts generated |
| 21:36.01 | zecke | let's see if Solaris10 has python >= 1.4 available |
| 21:36.07 | koen | ibot: nice flash movie |
| 21:36.09 | ibot | ACTION lowers flash movie's priority |
| 21:37.05 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 21:37.09 | hrw | ~curse tt again |
| 21:37.10 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tt again ! |
| 21:38.30 | CosmicPenguin | That sounds like something Klinger from M*A*S*H would say |
| 21:41.08 | hrw | CosmicPenguin: did I pestered you to update gftp to 2.0.18 final? |
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| 21:44.26 | CosmicPenguin | hrw: no, but I'll do it |
| 21:44.33 | hrw | thx |
| 21:44.46 | hrw | current OE version is not fetchable |
| 21:46.09 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:46.29 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 21:46.30 | mickeyl | that was quick |
| 21:46.34 | CosmicPenguin | it might be a while - my gtk workspace is in the process of being rebuilt |
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| 21:51.48 | ljp | *yawn* |
| 21:51.48 | zecke | I've a big fat ugly CDE background image in front of me and Solaris10 decided to die |
| 21:52.14 | zecke | ljp: you got venture capital? A big switch of how TT operates |
| 21:52.45 | ljp | and got rid of the canopy crap |
| 21:53.03 | zecke | ljp: I remember TT to finance itself... |
| 21:53.04 | hrw | ljp: qt/e4 still use qpf fonts? |
| 21:53.28 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: not all the way - Canopy was a TT supporter for a whie |
| 21:53.34 | ljp | hrw: not sure. will find out, I think qpf are depreciated |
| 21:53.44 | hrw | ljp: finally... |
| 21:53.57 | zecke | ljp: so is Qt/E? |
| 21:54.14 | ljp | not yet |
| 21:54.27 | mickeyl | ljp: how is the qtopia4 team coping with the slowness and instability the developers report with qt4 ? |
| 21:54.52 | ljp | lots of screaming and hair pulling the last few months |
| 21:55.00 | mickeyl | i can understand that. |
| 21:55.10 | zecke | *get fucking focus* |
| 21:55.16 | zecke | ~seen kergoth |
| 21:55.19 | ibot | kergoth <~kergoth@covenant.kergoth.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 1h 20m 14s ago, saying: 'i'm going to go be productive. i'll come back in 20 minutes, when perhaps you'll have answered the question'. |
| 21:55.29 | mickeyl | quite some 20 minutes |
| 21:55.30 | mickeyl | heh |
| 21:55.30 | ljp | i think arthur is whats slow |
| 21:55.46 | zecke | ljp: generally? |
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| 21:56.09 | zecke | ljp: now with renewed capital can you hire more Qtopia devels? |
| 21:56.13 | mickeyl | ljp: they totally broke the QPainter abstraction. even when you just want to draw a fscking line it goes through layers and layers, transformations, and stuff. that's really not good |
| 21:56.21 | ljp | zecke: we have been |
| 21:56.28 | ljp | our office is stuffed |
| 21:56.34 | zecke | ljp: good ones? or only aussie based? |
| 21:56.40 | ljp | aussie |
| 21:57.02 | zecke | ljp: you should have an office in the European Union |
| 21:57.16 | ljp | get norway to join |
| 21:57.19 | ljp | :) |
| 21:57.22 | ljp | and we will |
| 21:57.57 | ljp | we do hire 'field services' |
| 21:58.17 | zecke | I can be a BOFH if that is the same... |
| 21:59.00 | zecke | ljp: You guys should pay me for developing Qt backends for various 'core applications and technologies' |
| 21:59.24 | mickeyl | zecke: or me for doing linux subsystem abstractions |
| 21:59.37 | zecke | ljp: will you continue to work with MVista? |
| 22:00.03 | ljp | mvista is what our customers use, we dont work with them, really |
| 22:00.04 | zecke | mickeyl: yeah they should hire people actually knowing Handheld/Embedded devices |
| 22:00.30 | zecke | ljp: will Warwick et all be at the KDE conference? |
| 22:00.46 | ljp | havent heard that he is |
| 22:00.48 | zecke | ljp: I consider coming to just bitch Matthias |
| 22:00.57 | ljp | do it |
| 22:00.59 | ljp | :) |
| 22:01.31 | zecke | ljp: Regarding Qt4, I like the overall design |
| 22:01.54 | zecke | ljp: and agree that a bigger change was done for good... but you should release 4.0.1 or 4.1.0 as 4.0.0 |
| 22:02.06 | ljp | probably, ya |
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| 22:02.49 | treke | ljp: tell them to go release qt for windows now! |
| 22:03.12 | zecke | treke: did you get the book yet? |
| 22:03.35 | treke | nah |
| 22:03.38 | treke | none in the stores here |
| 22:03.41 | treke | need to order it |
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| 22:03.59 | treke | once I get windows up and running I'm going to try building http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/qt3-win32/ |
| 22:04.03 | treke | maybe it works well enough |
| 22:04.34 | mickeyl | it works damn well |
| 22:04.49 | mickeyl | surprisingly well |
| 22:04.51 | mickeyl | shocking well |
| 22:05.01 | treke | mickeyl: oh? You've used it? |
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| 22:05.07 | mickeyl | i now understand the driving force behind the decision to open qt4 on win |
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| 22:05.30 | mickeyl | treke: yes. i have a PyQt installer somewhere that uses this version for PyQt 3.x / Qt3.x on Win |
| 22:05.34 | treke | cool |
| 22:07.13 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 22:07.23 | treke | night |
| 22:07.29 | reenoo_ | 'night mickey|zzZZzz |
| 22:08.20 | hrw | heh... makeqpf render only some fonts ;( |
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| 22:35.42 | hrw | cu |
| 22:44.16 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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| 23:13.31 | zecke | wow Solaris features state of the art Qt3.1.1 |
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| 23:16.38 | zecke | it is even more stable then debian woody :} |
| 23:20.06 | Ken|JLimeX | lol |
| 23:40.04 | CoreDump|home | ~lart solaris |
| 23:41.21 | zecke | CoreDump|home: yeah, somehow it forgot the password I set... |
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| 23:41.31 | zecke | CoreDump|home: and it always wants to boot from disk0 |
| 23:41.38 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 23:42.22 | zecke | and the xdm does not allow to reboot... |
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| 23:45.40 | CoreDump|home | umm |
| 23:45.48 | CoreDump|home | telinit 6 or something like that |
| 23:46.17 | zecke | CoreDump|home: but not without a login :} |
| 23:46.22 | CoreDump|home | ah |
| 23:46.23 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 23:46.27 | CoreDump|home | tough luck :) |
| 23:48.06 | Ken|JLimeX | ~lart Ken|JLimeX |
| 23:48.16 | Ken|JLimeX | :) |
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