| 00:00.25 | JustinP | Luke-Jr: the only libtool in work or stamps is libtool-native |
| 00:00.25 | JustinP | baking libtool-cross |
| 00:00.43 | JustinP | (of course it *may* still be picking up -cross form staging or something....) |
| 00:05.47 | JustinP | renoo_busy: nope, rebuild of libtool-cross didn't help |
| 00:07.34 | reenoo_busy | what does this give you? "grep PB tmp/work/pcre-4.4-r1/pcre-4.4/arm-linux-libtool" |
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| 00:15.58 | JustinP | sorry, will need a few minutes, build machine is being very slow ATM |
| 00:16.13 | reenoo_busy | np |
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| 00:25.44 | JustinP | renoo_busy: that gives me the same thing: # This breaks install into our staging area. -PB |
| 00:26.07 | reenoo_busy | ok. so it's using the patched libtool |
| 00:26.41 | reenoo_busy | best reply to the bug with a description of your findings |
| 00:27.13 | reenoo_busy | maybe one of our resident libtool gurus (pb_ and kergoth) will have a look at it |
| 00:27.46 | reenoo_busy | I've run out of ideas why it might work here but not for you ;) |
| 00:31.16 | JustinP | thanks for trying |
| 00:31.21 | JustinP | I'm composing a reply right now |
| 00:31.37 | JustinP | my fix still does work...at least for now |
| 00:31.47 | JustinP | could you test and see if it breaks things on your system? |
| 00:32.42 | reenoo_busy | the patch looked rather safe |
| 00:32.44 | JustinP | I realize it's brute force and a horrible hack, but it works... |
| 00:33.07 | reenoo_busy | but it's not the right thing to do as this might be a systematic error |
| 00:33.13 | JustinP | I agree |
| 00:33.32 | JustinP | however it would be good to have the hack in there for other people until the real problem is sniffed out |
| 00:34.49 | reenoo_busy | hmm. I'll think about it |
| 00:34.56 | reenoo_busy | off to bed for now |
| 00:34.58 | reenoo_busy | 'night all |
| 00:52.17 | CIA-2 | 03daka 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r5bbc6ec4... 10/packages/meta/openslug-native.bb: Add gcc-symlinks, fix the files libpthread.so and libc.so from libc6-dev (that really should be fixed in there) |
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| 03:12.47 | CIA-2 | 03daka 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r27ad08fd... 10/packages/busybox/busybox_1.00.bb: |
| 03:12.47 | CIA-2 | Check for existance of 'test' before assuming it isn't there and alias test to 'busybox test'. |
| 03:12.47 | CIA-2 | When building a rootfs the previos implementation cased a few serious (non-fatal) errors showing up with tinderbox. |
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| 06:12.13 | koobla | hi all |
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| 06:22.09 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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| 06:44.02 | Bam-BamIR | morning |
| 06:44.55 | Bam-BamIR | anyone got wellenrieter to work on a 3100+dlink card? |
| 06:47.32 | CoreDump|home | well, it works w/ OZ 3.5.3 on a SL-C1000 (which is close enough to a 3100) |
| 06:47.48 | CoreDump|home | not w/ a dlink card though ;) |
| 06:48.10 | Bam-BamIR | hmmm, maybe my network settings.. |
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| 07:12.24 | JustinP | wellenreiter workks fine on a C3000 with Ambicom card |
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| 07:28.46 | Bam-BamIR | justin whats your network config for using it? |
| 07:35.40 | XorA | morning |
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| 07:59.41 | mithro | hey zecke, you about? |
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| 10:17.46 | *** topic/#oe is OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | http://bugs.openembedded.org/ (l/p guest/guest) | This is not a distribution support channel | The OE mailing list is back, but everyone needs to resubscribe. | We have a bitbake-dev mailing list for discussions on the core. If you're interested in BitBake-Ng, please subscribe. | LCA 2005 Embedded Miniconf - http://www.openembedded.org/miniconf |
| 10:18.07 | koen | pb_: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=f7914a228f685b9a242fcd8550ccf8d2059a7c71 -> 'tar archive' |
| 10:18.26 | florian_kc | yeah... we need a machine with much of cpu power for this ;-) |
| 10:18.29 | koen | that doesn't have incremental updates, but it's a start |
| 10:18.31 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh, right |
| 10:18.47 | mickeyl | koen: how about changing that link to point to headofbranch.psp ? |
| 10:18.49 | florian_kc | that's nothing for my escala :-/ |
| 10:18.57 | mickeyl | it won't work when we have two heads, but this is rarely |
| 10:19.15 | pb_ | florian_kc: I guess we should ask for donations to buy a dual opteron or something. |
| 10:19.17 | mickeyl | s/rarely/rare/ |
| 10:20.04 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 10:20.11 | BigAl | mickeyl: I've been working on the keyboard driver a bit, but it's not playing nice right now.. Not giving me interrupts when I press keys. |
| 10:22.01 | hrw | berlios subversion server need more ram |
| 10:24.47 | koobla | i do hourly anonymous pulls of oe.dev - use wall3.soft.uni-linz.ac.at as a mirror if you want |
| 10:27.17 | BigAl | Has anybody managed to get a gpe-image working on a spitz? |
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| 10:33.22 | mickeyl | hey zecke |
| 10:33.25 | mickeyl | mithro was chasing you |
| 10:33.39 | koen | moin zecke_ |
| 10:34.07 | hrw | hi zecke |
| 10:40.09 | zecke_ | damn |
| 10:40.29 | zecke_ | koen: could set my password on ewi to something? |
| 10:40.47 | zecke_ | I normally use public key authentication... |
| 10:40.54 | zecke_ | koen: or could you install a key for me? |
| 10:40.57 | pb_ | hi zecke_ |
| 10:41.11 | zecke_ | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE_qa/cgi-bin//tinder.cgi?tree=OpenEmbeddedBuild&start-time=1122265801&display-hours=48 |
| 10:41.23 | koen | zecke_: you can install a key yourself |
| 10:41.23 | zecke_ | doesn't look too bad, actually it looks promising |
| 10:41.31 | hrw | bitbake -i does not allow to 'build world' - but 'build *' works |
| 10:41.44 | zecke_ | koen: yes if I would have access to ewi.. |
| 10:46.46 | mickeyl | hrw: yeah, |
| 10:46.52 | mickeyl | hrw: world is a bitbake special case |
| 10:47.00 | zecke_ | koen: nevermind, remember my password... |
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| 10:50.09 | koen | rwhitby: where is the 2.3 beta firmware hiding? |
| 10:51.43 | koen | rwhitby: http://www.openslug.org/downloads.php doesn't list it |
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| 10:55.53 | zecke_ | koen: cp /data/tinderbox2/bin/processmail_builds /data/tinderbox2/cgi-bin/process_builds.cgi |
| 10:55.59 | zecke_ | koen: and same for tb1 please |
| 10:56.48 | koen | done |
| 10:57.11 | koen | is that http or email code? or timezone stuff? |
| 10:57.43 | zecke_ | koen: it is for receiving build logs per http |
| 10:57.50 | koen | cool |
| 10:57.51 | zecke_ | koen: as mail is so freaking delayed... |
| 10:58.13 | koen | Deferred: 450 4.3.2 {mx020} Too many mails (mail bomb) |
| 10:58.24 | zecke_ | lol |
| 10:58.31 | koen | that is what gmx had to say about my tinderclient |
| 10:58.40 | koen | and yes, I got bounces for every mail |
| 10:58.57 | zecke_ | lol |
| 10:59.04 | zecke_ | we could turn off verbose reporting... |
| 10:59.21 | zecke_ | or we could install a jabberd on ewi... :} |
| 10:59.31 | zecke_ | wow xkb is working here... that feels soooo good |
| 11:00.41 | zecke_ | svn up |
| 11:00.41 | zecke_ | zecke123@svn.berlios.de's password: |
| 11:00.41 | zecke_ | svn: Berkeley DB error while opening 'nodes' table for filesystem /svnroot/repos/bitbake/db: |
| 11:00.44 | zecke_ | Cannot allocate memory |
| 11:00.47 | zecke_ | svn: bdb: Logging region out of memory; you may need to increase its size |
| 11:00.49 | zecke_ | lol |
| 11:00.59 | zecke_ | maybe Mr. Schilling switched berlios.de to Schillinx? |
| 11:01.36 | koen | I'd say running a solaris kernel would improve stuff |
| 11:03.40 | zecke_ | mickey|lunch: so it was mithro that called me? |
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| 11:16.21 | hrw | re |
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| 11:17.38 | hrw | FSCK... |
| 11:17.46 | hrw | reiserfs on / is corrupt.. |
| 11:19.59 | hrw | time to buy dvd writer and/or better powersupply |
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| 11:23.45 | rwhitby | koen: OpenSlug 2.3 binary image has not been released yet |
| 11:23.52 | XorA | hrw: nasty |
| 11:24.12 | hrw | XorA: I installed woody on swap partition to get reiserfsck |
| 11:24.19 | koen | rwhitby: I guessed as much, but everything talks about 2.3 and point to the openslug site |
| 11:24.31 | koen | rwhitby: but I flashed 2.0 for the time being |
| 11:24.35 | XorA | hrw: I abandoned reiser after 3rd time it corrupted my disks |
| 11:24.53 | rwhitby | koen: I can put a 2.4 binary somewhere for you to download if you like. |
| 11:24.57 | hrw | XorA: I user reiserfs since it landed in 2.4 |
| 11:25.12 | XorA | hrw: reiser and amd64 dont seem to mix |
| 11:25.42 | koen | rwhitby: ok, I'll ask that when I get my switch back so I don't have to plug it in to my workstation anymore |
| 11:26.30 | hrw | XorA: that problem is not mine yet |
| 11:31.38 | hrw | uf.. reiserfsck --rebuild-tree finished |
| 11:32.53 | reenoo_ | morning |
| 11:33.38 | hrw | brb |
| 11:34.15 | reenoo_ | last time I checked (the first, last, and only time I used reiserfs) reiserfsck was the equivalent of an rm -rf / |
| 11:35.18 | tmbinc | i used it twice in my life, and in both cases, an rm -rf / would have been more effective and less time-consuming. |
| 11:35.48 | koen | after two(!) changes off the on disk format I cursed Hans as a corporate whore and installing the ext2 journaling patches |
| 11:35.50 | reenoo_ | hehe |
| 11:35.50 | pb_ | XorA: I think what you mean is "reiser and files don't seem to mix" |
| 11:36.24 | koen | explicitly stating "I break compat for money" doesn't win me over |
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| 11:40.32 | mithro | hey zecke_, you alive? |
| 11:45.07 | rwhitby | did something change in glibc in the last 24 hours? Unslung depends on glibc-2.2.5 (yes an old version for compatibility reasons), and today it doesn't build. |
| 11:45.35 | pb_ | what's the error? |
| 11:45.42 | rwhitby | and does anyone know how to find out the answer to that question by interrogating monotone? |
| 11:46.27 | rwhitby | "/home/slug/unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r5/build-armeb-linux/csu/crti.S: Assembler messages: |
| 11:46.27 | rwhitby | "/home/slug/unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r5/build-armeb-linux/csu/crti.S:96: Error: can't resolve `_GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_' {*UND* section} - `.L6' {.text section} |
| 11:46.52 | rwhitby | pb_: if you need more info I can pastebin it |
| 11:46.55 | pb_ | that is odd |
| 11:47.13 | pb_ | what does the offending line of that file say? |
| 11:48.01 | rwhitby | also "/home/slug/unslung/tmp/work/glibc-2.2.5-r5/build-armeb-linux/csu/crti.S:61: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up" |
| 11:48.18 | rwhitby | and three more instances of that error |
| 11:48.41 | pb_ | what versions of binutils and gcc do you have? |
| 11:48.50 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.11 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.21 | rwhitby | build host versions? |
| 11:49.28 | pb_ | no, cross tool versions |
| 11:49.28 | koen | rwhitby: openslug 2.0 is working pretty good so far |
| 11:50.02 | rwhitby | pb_: we don't fix those to a version, so whatever latest OE versions are |
| 11:50.09 | pb_ | rwhitby: are .L6 and .L7 defined in the .S file? |
| 11:50.13 | pb_ | .L6 should be very close to line 96 |
| 11:50.39 | pb_ | actually, maybe not that close, but it should be somewhere in the preceding function |
| 11:50.41 | rwhitby | L6 is one line 63 and 64 |
| 11:50.52 | rwhitby | L7 is on 95 |
| 11:51.21 | rwhitby | binutils-cross-2.15.94.0.1-r0 |
| 11:51.29 | rwhitby | gcc-cross-3.4.4-r0 |
| 11:51.56 | rwhitby | do we need to rollback gcc-cross perhaps? |
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| 11:53.43 | rwhitby | rwhitby@nudi:/home/unslung/firmware/tmp/work$ ls -ld gcc* |
| 11:53.43 | rwhitby | drwxrwsr-x 6 rwhitby users 4096 Apr 2 03:14 gcc-cross-3.4.3-r10 |
| 11:53.43 | rwhitby | drwxrwsr-x 6 rwhitby users 4096 Jun 23 19:30 gcc-cross-3.4.4-r0 |
| 11:53.56 | rwhitby | looks like up until Jun 23 we were using 3.4.3 and that was working. |
| 11:54.58 | rwhitby | Hmm - looks like the build on Jun 24 with 3.4.4 worked too. |
| 11:56.20 | koen | rwhitby: where should I make openslug feature requests like "could you enable ipv6 as a kernel modules?" ? |
| 11:56.27 | pb_ | rwhitby: it sounds more like a binutils bug to me. |
| 11:56.40 | pb_ | those two lines look quite valid. |
| 11:57.21 | rwhitby | koen: as an OE core developer, you'd ask in #openslug whether it's ok to just do it yourself :-) |
| 11:58.14 | rwhitby | pb_: our binutils version hasn't changed since at least Apr 2. |
| 11:58.53 | pb_ | rwhitby: odd |
| 11:58.54 | rwhitby | glibc, glibc-cross were the latest to change on Jun23 |
| 11:59.06 | rwhitby | 2.2.5-r4 to 2.2.5-r5 |
| 11:59.25 | rwhitby | s/glibc-cross/gcc-cross/ |
| 12:00.05 | rwhitby | gcc also went from 3.4.3 to 3.4.4-r0 on Jun23 (I'm just looking back at tmp/work in an old dir that I know built fine on May 27 then Jun 23) |
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| 12:01.55 | pb_ | if you have an old tmp directory, can you diff crti.S between the version that works and the version that fails? |
| 12:03.06 | rwhitby | will do. Also trying a rebuild in that old dir of glibc-2.2.5-r5 |
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| 12:03.30 | pb_ | okay, cool |
| 12:03.31 | pb_ | hi jamey |
| 12:03.47 | jamey | hi pb_ |
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| 12:04.27 | mickeyl | ~lart CoreDump|afk |
| 12:04.42 | mickeyl | CoreDump|afk: hey, any special reason to destroy my work? ;) |
| 12:04.44 | mickeyl | -# autoload modules |
| 12:04.44 | mickeyl | -module_autoload_usb-ohci-pxa27x = "usb-ohci-pxa27x" |
| 12:04.44 | mickeyl | - |
| 12:05.03 | mickeyl | I've readded it |
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| 12:08.39 | rwhitby | pb_: lots of differences between old crti.S and new one |
| 12:08.58 | rwhitby | want them both in a pastebin? |
| 12:11.18 | mithro | mickeyl: do you have zecke's phone number? |
| 12:13.02 | rwhitby | pb_: the glibc-2.2.5-r5 in the old dir rebuilt fine. now to track down what is different ... |
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| 12:13.45 | hrw | re |
| 12:15.23 | mickeyl | mithro: yes, i /msg'ed it to you some hours ago |
| 12:15.29 | mickeyl | i can do it again |
| 12:15.50 | mickeyl | done |
| 12:20.44 | rwhitby | pb_: the only packages that have changed betwen the good old build and the bad new build are: (flex-native-2.5.31-r1 -> r2, gnu-config-native-0.1cvs20050616-r3 -> 0.1cvs20050701-r4, libtool-native-1.5.10-r1 -> r3, and linux-libc-headers-2.6.11.1-r0 -> r1). Could any of them cause a difference in crti.S ? |
| 12:20.52 | zecke_ | mithro: hey |
| 12:20.57 | zecke_ | sorry |
| 12:23.31 | mithro | zecke_: thats okay |
| 12:23.38 | mithro | so should I give you a phone call now? |
| 12:23.52 | mithro | mickey|meeting: my internet is horribly unreliable so I didn't get it till now |
| 12:27.29 | zecke_ | mithro: do you have my cell phone number? is it expensive to call it? |
| 12:27.39 | koen | zecke_: does the OE tinderclient use httppost already? |
| 12:27.57 | zecke_ | nope |
| 12:28.19 | mithro | currently trying to organise how to get to WhatTheHack |
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| 12:34.00 | XorA | ah interesting, NIST has come clean about their familiar usage http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2004_1110.htm#software |
| 12:38.24 | jamey | x-mobilecard is a smartcard in SD formfactor? |
| 12:38.35 | XorA | jamey: yes |
| 12:38.53 | XorA | jamey: well smartcard + 64Meg of flash |
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| 12:38.56 | XorA | jamey: in its current form |
| 12:39.04 | jamey | interesting |
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| 12:39.07 | koen | "Linux PC/SC Lite driver for Renesas XMC mobile card on IPAQ H3800. This bundle contains source code and binaries for kernel version 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh30 (Familiar 0.7.2). Additional information and Renesas' developer program can be found at X-MobileCard.com |
| 12:39.12 | koen | " |
| 12:39.31 | reenoo_ | -hh30 |
| 12:39.31 | hrw | re |
| 12:39.36 | reenoo_ | oh well |
| 12:39.38 | jamey | found it opaque |
| 12:39.52 | hrw | freebsd 4.9 suxx badly |
| 12:40.09 | jamey | it would probably apply to current 2.4 kernel |
| 12:40.21 | jamey | would need to be updated to 2.6 mmc framework |
| 12:40.26 | jamey | for 2.6 |
| 12:40.54 | XorA | jamey: irritatingly, thats my code on the X-MobileCard and the idiots never thought to ask me anything :-( |
| 12:44.55 | reenoo_ | heh |
| 12:45.27 | jamey | XorA: I'm sorry to hear that. I'm also disappointed they did not post their code to handhelds.org |
| 12:45.44 | koen | ~emulate zautrix |
| 12:45.44 | ibot | this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away |
| 12:46.04 | jamey | ibot: zautrix |
| 12:46.28 | jamey | grab the stuff, distribute source and changes, and run away |
| 12:46.35 | jamey | they did all the things required by GPL |
| 12:46.48 | jamey | just not the community building things |
| 12:47.45 | zecke_ | jamey: zautrix is the forker at pi-sync.net |
| 12:48.05 | jamey | ah |
| 12:49.20 | zecke_ | and sadly he gets paid for Qt and Qtopia development... |
| 12:51.15 | XorA | jamey: unfortuneately, NIST are 2 customers down the chain from me ;-( |
| 12:53.55 | jamey | what can you do |
| 12:54.05 | jamey | ah, you could post a patch to handhelds.org and/or kernel.org |
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| 12:54.55 | RP | XorA: The hostap problem is caused by a change in the latest -mm kernels |
| 12:55.13 | XorA | RP: so im not mad :-) |
| 12:55.54 | robtaylor | lo all :) |
| 12:56.32 | RP | XorA: No. I had wierd files leftover in staging which was breaking my builds... |
| 12:56.48 | RP | XorA: I'm not sure what the correct fix is :-/ |
| 12:58.00 | robtaylor | I've just been pondering on how to do gracful fails if a user pulls power in the middle of a package upgrade.. does anyone know of any schemes that do this? |
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| 12:58.41 | pb_ | rwhitby: none of those packages sound likely to cause the build failure |
| 12:58.53 | hrw | cu |
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| 12:59.36 | rwhitby | pb_: I'm leaving it for someone else to fix. I'm not the toolchain guy :-) Thanks for your assistance anyway. |
| 13:00.24 | RP | XorA: Your patch looks like the correct fix. I'd check it in. It certainly doesn't hurt anything including non-mm kernels |
| 13:01.49 | XorA | RP: should technically wait for mickey|meeting |
| 13:03.02 | koen | jamey: did you hear back from the miplv6 guys? |
| 13:03.51 | RP | XorA: Your call. Looks fine to me though and I kind of maintain the kernel stuff ;-) |
| 13:04.08 | XorA | RP: what the hell, we have an SCM :-) |
| 13:04.18 | RP | Feel free to blame me if mickeyl objects ;-) |
| 13:04.27 | jamey | koen: have not heard from miplv6 guys |
| 13:04.44 | koen | jamey: I just notice the are still on 2.6.8.1 with their patches |
| 13:05.01 | jamey | koen: I think they posted a later one, but they have been very infrequent |
| 13:05.09 | jamey | very disappointing |
| 13:05.37 | koen | yeah |
| 13:05.48 | koen | I'm thinking of going the tinc (http://www.tinc-vpn.org/) route |
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| 13:10.47 | pH5 | Hi! I made a patch to add hx4700 configuration to tslib: http://pastebin.ca/18449. is this any good? |
| 13:12.52 | RP | pH5: Without a hx4700 machine type, that isn't going to do much :-/ |
| 13:13.48 | RP | I'm not sure what the policy is for adding the hx4700 - ideally, we need to encapsulate it with the hx2750 and any other pxa270 based machines... |
| 13:14.08 | koen | conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf |
| 13:15.19 | RP | koen: The header on the file is a touch misleading ;-) |
| 13:18.49 | pH5 | i started from aboeglin's patches. so hx4700 shouldn't get its own machine type? |
| 13:18.53 | koen | RP: it was in my bk repo, but it was not pushed to bkbits |
| 13:19.31 | RP | pH5: No, its part of the ipaq-pxa270 machine type |
| 13:19.37 | reenoo_ | koen: "OpenSSL is used to encrypt the traffic". OpenSSL and GPL apps don't mix well from a distribution POV |
| 13:19.57 | koen | reenoo_: que? |
| 13:20.06 | reenoo_ | koen: quoting the tinc website |
| 13:20.09 | RP | koen: Any chance you can resurect any of the changes you'd made. I might them be persuaded to fill in any gaps ;-) |
| 13:20.46 | koen | reenoo_: ok, I'll only use tinc personally |
| 13:21.17 | koen | RP: I was getting at the fact that ipaq-pxa270 doesn't exist on bkbits.net :) |
| 13:22.21 | RP | koen: ah, right. So its here kind of by accident? :) |
| 13:22.37 | koen | ahead of time :) |
| 13:22.41 | CIA-2 | 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rf7914a22... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Akita/Spitz: Use OE fuer setting CMDLINE, not defconfig. |
| 13:22.45 | CIA-2 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9862905f... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files): |
| 13:22.45 | CIA-2 | openzaurus-pxa27x: |
| 13:22.45 | CIA-2 | - restore module_autoload |
| 13:22.45 | CIA-2 | - reorder metadata to be more comparable to openzaurus-pxa-2.4.18 |
| 13:22.49 | CIA-2 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r1b091d0a... 10/packages/hostap/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:22.49 | CIA-2 | hostap-modules: kernel 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 has made changes that make the |
| 13:22.49 | CIA-2 | KERNEL_VERSION macro not available to hostap without explicitly including |
| 13:22.49 | CIA-2 | the utsname.h file. |
| 13:22.51 | CIA-2 | This patch should be harmless for other kernel versions but includes the |
| 13:22.53 | CIA-2 | needed file if using 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 |
| 13:23.50 | koen | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=d8f77bc6335858610b8f332521ddee863aa71db6 |
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| 13:25.48 | RP | koen: thanks :) |
| 13:25.55 | mickeyl | XorA: thanks |
| 13:25.57 | mickeyl | (hostap) |
| 13:26.09 | XorA | mickeyl: no probs, been talking to RP since 9am |
| 13:26.11 | mickeyl | CoreDump|afk: please don't use Umlaute in commit messages, this breaks CIA |
| 13:26.22 | mickeyl | bbl, wandering home |
| 13:28.04 | CIA-2 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r24d3b1da... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: clean up override mess and header |
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| 13:29.03 | zecke_ | mickeyl: cya |
| 13:29.14 | koen | RP: when I wanted to put in the defconfigs the great soc->platform-dev conversions was going on |
| 13:30.20 | RP | koen: I guess my own kernel tree providing the hx2750 kernel is going to be a bit tricky :-/ |
| 13:30.37 | koen | RP: I thought you updated hh.org? |
| 13:31.04 | koen | RP: but mainline + hx2xxx +hx47xx would be fine by me |
| 13:31.21 | RP | koen: not yet. The tree in oe is always going to be more uptodate... |
| 13:31.31 | RP | Of course we don't have hx47xx support in that tree... |
| 13:33.26 | pH5 | RP, koen: thanks. i guess i should try to rebuild with ipaq-pxa270 first |
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| 13:35.18 | RP | pH5: I think some key support may be missing from that machine type. Patches welcome to fill in the blanks though ;-) |
| 13:35.28 | koen | pH5: that won't work at the moment, but it shouldn't be hard to adapt alex' patches |
| 13:38.23 | pH5 | ok, back to fiddling :) |
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| 13:43.26 | CIA-2 | 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking |
| 13:46.17 | repvik | anyone know why ncurses is still in nonworking? I compile ncurses a couple of times a day :) |
| 13:46.44 | koen | NAiL: feel free to remove them |
| 13:50.30 | NAiL | done |
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| 14:54.55 | hrw | RP: something (using related) changed between 2.6.12-mm1 and 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 on c7x0? |
| 14:54.56 | CIA-2 | 03nail 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * raf9c8fe6... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added procps |
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| 14:57.58 | RP | hrw: In what way? They should be similar as far as I know... |
| 14:58.35 | mickeyl | any idea why ipkg-collateral is no longer in the dependencies of a typical spitz image? |
| 14:59.07 | mickeyl | aha |
| 14:59.08 | mickeyl | nm |
| 14:59.12 | hrw | mickeyl: none of ipkg stuff probably? |
| 14:59.26 | mickeyl | no, the problem is something BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS = |
| 14:59.28 | mickeyl | instead of += |
| 14:59.37 | mickeyl | hence overriding the stuff inherited through package_ipk.bbclass |
| 14:59.45 | hrw | RP: you trace kernel more then I so I asked you |
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| 15:30.21 | NAiL | hrw: yeah, removed screen and ncurses from nonworking |
| 15:31.56 | hrw | cool |
| 15:32.29 | hrw | NAiL: nonworking is from old times when we tried to add something and failed |
| 15:32.36 | NAiL | ah |
| 15:32.54 | hrw | DL_DIR = 1.5G here... not counting CVS_DIR.. |
| 15:32.56 | NAiL | the rest of the nonworking stuff is stuff I ain't touching so I don't know status |
| 15:33.26 | hrw | NAiL: want arpwatch? |
| 15:33.48 | RP | hrw: No, I don't know of any major changes. A few things even seem slightly more stable (like the ejection of cf memory cards) |
| 15:34.21 | hrw | looks like I need to upgrade soon |
| 15:34.38 | NAiL | hrw: not that I know. Why? |
| 15:35.02 | RP | hrw: Its not totally tested in that I haven't tried wifi yet. I can't see why things would break though... |
| 15:36.28 | hrw | NAiL: you (nslu people) use more network stuff then I - I have arpwatch buildable but didnt pushed it yet as I dont finished it (but recently got into point where I dont need it) |
| 15:36.59 | NAiL | hrw: aha. It does look like a nice tool |
| 15:37.10 | RP | One major bug with this is "cardctl eject" still leaves the disk mounted! :-/ |
| 15:37.27 | NAiL | hrw: what is missing from it? |
| 15:38.13 | hrw | NAiL: in debian arpwatch runs as 'arpwatch' user, which is not added/removed in package etc |
| 15:38.25 | XorA | RP: is that a kernel bug, or is hotplug just not doing right thing? |
| 15:38.59 | NAiL | hrw: aha. I am supposed to do a bbclass to add users and stuff. I haven't gotten around to that yet |
| 15:39.30 | NAiL | So far, I have no idea how a bbclass actually works |
| 15:40.09 | hrw | NAiL: bbclass is shell or python code |
| 15:41.05 | NAiL | in this case, preferrably shell |
| 15:42.35 | NAiL | Are there any docs or good examples I can look at? Because there are a few packages that needs users added |
| 15:42.51 | NAiL | eg. mysql, openntpd |
| 15:42.58 | hrw | openembedded/classes/*.bbclass |
| 15:44.33 | mickeyl | try to model it after the update-rc.d bbclass |
| 15:44.40 | mickeyl | you need to think about what variables you need |
| 15:44.43 | mickeyl | find good names |
| 15:44.47 | mickeyl | then pass them into the bbclass |
| 15:44.55 | mickeyl | that's more or less all |
| 15:45.08 | NAiL | Ok, I think I'll need a crash course in python :-P |
| 15:45.32 | NAiL | update-rc.d looks like a good starting point |
| 15:46.57 | hrw | "bitbake -i;fetch *" is easiest way to test source availability |
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| 15:54.54 | NAiL | aha |
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| 16:10.39 | RP | hrw: I'm not sure :-/. I'm sure the kernel used to handle it but am not 100% sure |
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| 16:15.27 | hrw | mickeyl: can you post on openzaurus.org (and maybe on oesf) that 3.5.4 will be without poodle support if noone join? |
| 16:17.35 | pb_ | yah, update-rc.d.bbclass and/or update-alternatives.bbclass are pretty good as simple examples |
| 16:17.48 | pb_ | package.bbclass is a good example of more complex stuff |
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| 16:34.21 | hrw | hi keturn |
| 16:34.24 | hrw | kergoth: hi |
| 16:34.28 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:34.40 | RP | And in two posts, rmk makes any chance of progress on collie approximately equal to zero :-/ |
| 16:35.03 | kergoth | :( |
| 16:35.39 | RP | In summary he is the original driver author and therefore any changes to the driver need to be presented to him for his approval before any further progress can be made... |
| 16:35.55 | RP | Despite his own admission he has no clue about how to get it into the kernel! |
| 16:42.07 | hrw | RP: which posts? |
| 16:43.27 | RP | http://lkml.org/ Look down the list for rmk |
| 16:44.11 | hrw | ok |
| 16:44.48 | hrw | whole thread? |
| 16:44.57 | koen | RP: is "send them to me" the same as "cat them to /dev/null" ? |
| 16:45.29 | koen | in RNK's world |
| 16:45.33 | koen | s/N/M/ |
| 16:48.00 | RP | koen: yes, in my experience its exactly equivalent |
| 16:48.18 | RP | It would also appear to be where peronally addressed emails go :-/ |
| 16:48.24 | RP | Don't get me started... |
| 16:48.40 | koen | I assume replying with "sending the patches to /dev/null amounts to the same" will piss of RMK? |
| 16:48.54 | koen | along with a list of "pending" RMK stuff |
| 16:48.58 | RP | It would :) |
| 16:49.41 | koen | "Hello Russel, here is a list of other stuff you promised to look at, and never got done:" |
| 16:49.45 | koen | <big list> |
| 16:49.52 | koen | "regards, Richard" |
| 16:50.09 | RP | He'd just winge about lack of time/help and blame everyone else... |
| 16:51.22 | koen | one could suggest "we want to take some load of your shoulders, <sucking up>, let us handle it for you" |
| 16:52.26 | RP | I'm not going there. I suspect he seriously dislikes me by now... |
| 16:53.07 | RP | He seems to prefer John in that he referred to "John or someone" the other day :) |
| 16:53.29 | RP | Despite 50% of the code he was talking about was written by me and I was in the cc:... |
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| 16:58.25 | koen | hey france_ |
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| 17:03.20 | hrw | ~lart elfutils |
| 17:18.37 | hrw | any reasons to bump libxml to 2.6.20? |
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| 17:27.06 | mithro | howdy people |
| 17:27.08 | mithro | at zecke's house today |
| 17:27.30 | RP | hi mithro |
| 17:27.49 | RP | You seem to be getting around :) Having fun? |
| 17:36.07 | mithro | yeah |
| 17:41.11 | france_ | koen: hi |
| 17:41.44 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... |
| 17:41.54 | CosmicPenguin | monotone always finds new ways to piss me off |
| 17:42.15 | JustinP | what happened now? |
| 17:42.29 | CosmicPenguin | I'm getting the read from fd 4 bullshit |
| 17:42.50 | CosmicPenguin | I know its my own damn fault for not trying montone before the July 1 deadline, so I won't complain |
| 17:43.01 | JustinP | what version do you have? |
| 17:43.08 | CosmicPenguin | .20 |
| 17:43.18 | JustinP | just making sure |
| 17:43.27 | CosmicPenguin | It worked last monday.. :) |
| 17:43.42 | JustinP | try the backup server |
| 17:43.54 | CosmicPenguin | How do you switch servers with an existing tree? |
| 17:44.07 | koen | the tree doesn't know about a server |
| 17:44.21 | koen | in fact, monotone doesn't know servers at all |
| 17:44.40 | CosmicPenguin | But when I do a pull, it knows about montone.vanille.de |
| 17:44.54 | koen | it remembers you last used vanille as a peer |
| 17:44.59 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 17:45.08 | CosmicPenguin | so I just do a mt pull foo.bar and I'm good? |
| 17:45.12 | koen | yes |
| 17:45.44 | hrw | ~lart libxml |
| 17:46.22 | CosmicPenguin | Alright - whats the backup server de-jour? |
| 17:47.17 | koen | ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org or dominion.kabel.utwente.nl |
| 17:47.35 | CosmicPenguin | Which one will piss off the most people? :) |
| 17:47.35 | koen | or any other people running monotone serve |
| 17:47.40 | koen | :) |
| 17:48.22 | CosmicPenguin | Nope |
| 17:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | failure on all three |
| 17:49.08 | koen | monotone: fd 5 (peer 199.45.160.146:58537) exchanged goodbyes and flushed output, disconnecting |
| 17:49.11 | koen | is that you? |
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| 17:49.56 | CosmicPenguin | Thats me |
| 17:50.23 | CosmicPenguin | So you're saying its my fault, huh? |
| 17:50.38 | koen | it doesn't seem to throw errors |
| 17:51.13 | koen | you could download http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2, extract add pubkey and take it from there |
| 17:51.23 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but I have a damn DB |
| 17:51.29 | CosmicPenguin | this needs to work |
| 17:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | So yu have to specify the full string, it appears |
| 17:54.19 | CosmicPenguin | just --db <pull> doesn't work |
| 17:54.37 | koen | ah yes |
| 17:54.48 | koen | monotone --db=foo.db pull hostname branches |
| 17:55.06 | CosmicPenguin | Der wiki needs to be updated |
| 17:56.00 | koen | help yourself :) |
| 17:56.40 | CosmicPenguin | Can do you have to do a org.openembedded/.* always, or just on the first pull? |
| 17:56.47 | CosmicPenguin | err - remove that slash |
| 17:56.59 | koen | first pull, it remembers it after that |
| 17:57.39 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - yeah, thats better |
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| 17:58.25 | CosmicPenguin | .* had 406 revs, .dev just had 37 |
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| 18:10.14 | mickeyl | re |
| 18:11.12 | hrw|gone | re mickeyl |
| 18:11.15 | hrw|gone | ~seen p_ |
| 18:11.15 | ibot | hrw|gone: i haven't seen 'p_' |
| 18:11.16 | hrw|gone | ~seen pb_ |
| 18:11.16 | ibot | pb_ <~pb@2002:5168:d38c:1:a00:1fff:fe06:93c> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 47d 19h 23m 1s ago, saying: 'later all'. |
| 18:11.28 | mickeyl | hrw|gone: ya, i'll write a mail to oz-devel,oz-users about poodle support |
| 18:11.45 | hrw|gone | mickeyl: and put it on website |
| 18:11.57 | zecke_ | re |
| 18:12.02 | mickeyl | in preparation for angstrom... |
| 18:12.08 | mickeyl | I want two people for every machine |
| 18:12.13 | mickeyl | people that feel commited |
| 18:12.13 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: if you get such read on... errors |
| 18:12.14 | hrw|gone | libxml2 2.6.20 builds but libxslt 1.1.14 no |
| 18:12.23 | mickeyl | i think we will find two people for all machines |
| 18:12.26 | mickeyl | except poodle |
| 18:12.29 | JustinP | has angstrom actually been "started"? |
| 18:12.36 | zecke_ | CosmicPenguin: either vanille.de has routing issues or your branch names are wrong |
| 18:12.41 | treke | so what is angstrom? :p |
| 18:12.47 | mickeyl | JustinP: in our heads |
| 18:12.49 | CosmicPenguin | zecke_: the issue that that branch names must be specified |
| 18:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | zecke_: once that is done, life is good |
| 18:13.22 | JustinP | mickeyl: that's about what I thought. ;-) Nice to know work is being done, though. Isn't angstrom waiting for EABI? |
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| 18:13.30 | CosmicPenguin | Well, as good as downloading a revision every two minutes can be |
| 18:13.33 | mickeyl | JustinP: yes, we're waiting for that |
| 18:13.41 | zecke_ | JustinP: war is over if you want ;) |
| 18:13.52 | zecke_ | JustinP: EABI is present, but probably not buildable... |
| 18:14.15 | JustinP | ah....interesting....why is it not buildable? |
| 18:14.31 | mickeyl | treke: a fresh start :) One feed, one ABI, combines releases, and some improvements to workflow |
| 18:14.32 | koen | glibc doesn't have EABI support yet |
| 18:14.39 | treke | ah nice |
| 18:14.47 | JustinP | ah |
| 18:15.02 | mickeyl | supported target hardware: all ipaqs, all zaurii, the simpad, and perhaps more |
| 18:15.14 | treke | mickeyl: this documented anywhere? |
| 18:15.18 | mickeyl | also a new way to drag people who have had reservations to OpenZaurus into :)) |
| 18:15.22 | zecke_ | mickeyl: kergoth : do you know what is up with berlios? |
| 18:15.48 | mickeyl | treke: not yet. koen and me are working on a roadmap and a policy document to get a discussion base up to angstrom-dev@hh.org |
| 18:15.56 | treke | gah |
| 18:15.57 | mickeyl | then we'll see how things work out |
| 18:15.59 | treke | another mailing list |
| 18:16.03 | mickeyl | sure |
| 18:16.05 | mickeyl | the idea is |
| 18:16.06 | mickeyl | +1 |
| 18:16.07 | mickeyl | -3 |
| 18:16.11 | mickeyl | total reduction: 2 |
| 18:16.12 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:16.32 | treke | hehe |
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| 18:17.47 | koen | mickeyl: let's not create angstrom-users |
| 18:17.49 | koen | ~users |
| 18:17.49 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 18:18.00 | koen | mickeyl: we clearly don't want users ;) |
| 18:19.16 | mickeyl | heh, no kidding. I really thought about that |
| 18:19.21 | mickeyl | but not because we don't want users |
| 18:19.32 | mickeyl | rather because we think all users are kind of developing this distro |
| 18:19.39 | mickeyl | no matter what contribution |
| 18:19.40 | mickeyl | bugs |
| 18:19.41 | mickeyl | docs |
| 18:19.43 | mickeyl | fixes |
| 18:19.46 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 18:20.02 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:20.23 | koen | you do have a point |
| 18:21.11 | mickeyl | i think it's worth to try it like that. the distinction between users and developers is too much of a commercial legacy to me |
| 18:21.17 | koen | mickeyl: we just need to have an infrastructure (bugzilla, feeds, QA, lists, maintainers, testers) before going live |
| 18:21.23 | mickeyl | koen: definitly. |
| 18:21.36 | mickeyl | koen: thankfully there's no hurry |
| 18:21.48 | koen | ideally angstrom beta wouldn't be called angstrom |
| 18:22.00 | JustinP | why's that? |
| 18:22.56 | koen | too keep people from building prejudices from the firsts beta's |
| 18:22.59 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 18:23.13 | mickeyl | I really would like to have a polished first release this time :) |
| 18:23.15 | mickeyl | oh btw. |
| 18:23.28 | mickeyl | i think we should join the new age version numbers |
| 18:23.35 | mickeyl | Angstrom 2006/01 |
| 18:23.36 | koen | 2006.1 |
| 18:23.39 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 18:23.46 | mickeyl | rather than some more or less arbitrary versioning |
| 18:23.48 | mickeyl | just the date |
| 18:24.12 | koen | which is rather a good estimate IMHO |
| 18:24.21 | mickeyl | yep. glad we agree on that |
| 18:24.34 | JustinP | that soon, huh? |
| 18:24.50 | treke | just don't do it ubuntu's rather dumb way |
| 18:24.59 | mickeyl | how do they do? |
| 18:25.06 | JustinP | oh, I've been meaning to ask...I heard that familiar wasn't joining up with angstrom. Did I hear wrong? |
| 18:25.16 | treke | Y.M |
| 18:25.21 | treke | so 4.10 |
| 18:25.23 | treke | 5.04 |
| 18:25.32 | mickeyl | hmm 5.04 looks odd |
| 18:25.34 | treke | I think the next one is 5.10 |
| 18:25.35 | treke | yeah |
| 18:25.39 | treke | it's the date |
| 18:26.59 | treke | but in a form that just looks arbitrary |
| 18:27.00 | mickeyl | JustinP: delicate topic. I can't make any more comments except a) Angstrom will also be for ipaqs and b) Familiar Linux will continue to exist. |
| 18:27.00 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:27.00 | JustinP | mickeyl: ok, I'll leave it alone, then |
| 18:27.20 | CIA-2 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.nslu2-linux * r054c1e56... 10/packages/man/man_1.5p.bb: |
| 18:27.20 | CIA-2 | Fix the build - under some circumstances the do_install step will end up |
| 18:27.20 | CIA-2 | building stuff because of make timestamps (only on build systems with |
| 18:27.20 | CIA-2 | nano-second timestamps). Fix by passing the install command the compile |
| 18:27.20 | CIA-2 | command DEFS. |
| 18:27.40 | koen | JustinP: familiar is going to be like debian/stable and angstrom like debian/testing (sort of) |
| 18:29.01 | JustinP | koen: I hope you don't *really* mean that...debian/stable has never been up to date in my experience...I really hated that. |
| 18:30.21 | treke | JustinP: debian stable hasn't been up to date, but it has usually been reliable :) |
| 18:30.26 | treke | and that has its advantages |
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| 18:31.30 | JustinP | treke: I suppose so. I'm generally a developer type, though, so I like up to date and experimental things to try out. :-) |
| 18:32.21 | treke | most users of a pda like device probably do want it to work reliably though |
| 18:32.42 | treke | :) |
| 18:32.57 | koen | treke: why do they keep buying wince? |
| 18:33.09 | treke | because for the most part it does? :p |
| 18:33.23 | koen | *when* it works ;) |
| 18:34.35 | koen | think of windows ME |
| 18:34.44 | koen | throw up |
| 18:34.51 | koen | pet your linux powered PDA |
| 18:37.20 | reenoo_ | heh. Gentoo. don't get me started. |
| 18:37.32 | reenoo_ | ~lart gentoo |
| 18:37.40 | reenoo_ | ~lart gentoo one more time |
| 18:39.09 | treke | ok |
| 18:39.20 | treke | on angstrom-dev, but I dont imagine I'll be involved much at all |
| 18:42.47 | hrw | re |
| 18:56.43 | koen | RP: did the nokia people copy damage onto the driver level to avoid the dma penalty? |
| 19:01.25 | hrw | ERROR: Nothing provides evas |
| 19:01.26 | hrw | ERROR: dependency evas (for edje) not satisfied |
| 19:01.26 | hrw | NOTE: no buildable providers for edje |
| 19:01.30 | hrw | hmm.. |
| 19:04.01 | koen | iirc it's virtual/evas |
| 19:04.10 | koen | due to the evas/fb and evas/x11 thing |
| 19:04.29 | koen | otherwise schurig will delete evas because X isn't in his staging |
| 19:04.32 | RP | koen: It all to do with the weird framebuffer the 770 has... |
| 19:04.48 | RP | not too much bandwidth to it |
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| 19:07.00 | koen | I'm still deciding wether to use the stock maemo image or an OE maemo-image |
| 19:07.00 | koen | seeing how they vandalized FHS |
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| 19:25.01 | RP | It looks like there's a hotplug/udev/cardmgr race on the cf memory card issue. Something pulls /dev/hda1 before cardmgr can call umount... |
| 19:25.58 | hrw | RP: it looks like udev has to call mount/umount now rather |
| 19:26.49 | RP | hrw: That can't be right - it was always said udev was *not* to do that. It should probably fall to hotplug... |
| 19:26.56 | RP | (same as mmc) |
| 19:27.41 | hrw | udev 060+ got RUN parametr for rules |
| 19:27.47 | koen | RP: you mean the hotplug that is planned to be obsoleted by udev rules? |
| 19:28.07 | kergoth | thats what you'd expect. hotplug calls udev, udev creates/removes the device. i'd expect that RUN/dev.d depending on udev version would be the correct solution |
| 19:28.09 | RP | true :) |
| 19:28.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:28.23 | hrw | kergoth: welcome udev masta |
| 19:28.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:28.48 | RP | I think I've just proven I'm not the person to sort the mess out :) |
| 19:29.03 | CosmicPenguin | pcmcia hotplug will make that much more clear |
| 19:29.15 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:29.17 | kergoth | down with cardmgr! |
| 19:29.22 | CosmicPenguin | no shit |
| 19:29.23 | hrw | pcmcia hotplug is the only way after November 2005 |
| 19:29.44 | kergoth | anyone tried it out yet? |
| 19:29.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:29.48 | RP | We have a pcmcia hotplug now? |
| 19:29.50 | kergoth | pcmciautils has everything you need |
| 19:29.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:29.59 | hrw | I tried |
| 19:30.00 | RP | Does it compile now? :) |
| 19:30.03 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't updated to the .13-rc yet |
| 19:30.17 | CosmicPenguin | but everybody should - all the cool shit at OLS is there |
| 19:30.17 | hrw | hostap-modules are not compatible with pcmcia hotplug yet |
| 19:30.53 | RP | I can see some headaches coming up :-/ |
| 19:31.23 | hrw | RP: you can see example in my patch to linux-openzaurus_2.6.12+ |
| 19:31.52 | CosmicPenguin | Headaches are acceptable - we know cardmgr sucks |
| 19:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | just like we knew that devfs sucked, so the udev pain was/is acceptable |
| 19:32.47 | RP | I know. I'm just thinking of the complexities of supporting both this and old style cardmgr in one image... |
| 19:33.25 | hrw | RP: virtual/pcmcia-manager? |
| 19:33.48 | CosmicPenguin | I say rip it right off - like a band-aid |
| 19:34.00 | RP | CosmicPenguin: What about 2.4 kernel users? |
| 19:34.03 | hrw | CosmicPenguin: we have too many 2.4 users |
| 19:34.38 | RP | hostap will have to compile for both etc. |
| 19:34.41 | hrw | and pcmcia-hotplug wont be accepted for 2.4 |
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| 19:35.20 | CosmicPenguin | it is often not a good policy to ignore new technology in favor of legacy techology |
| 19:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm sure you already knew that |
| 19:35.54 | RP | But at the same time, we can't ignore the legacy users... |
| 19:40.25 | hrw | hmm.. maybe the method for small flash devices would be CoreDump altboot+'cardfs' |
| 19:42.08 | hrw | from Zaurus machines all except collie will probably sooner or later go 2.6 (or trash) |
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| 20:19.43 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:20.23 | hrw | alo Pigi |
| 20:20.27 | Pigi | hi hrw |
| 20:20.28 | hrw | ~lart stage.maemo.org for lack of resume |
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| 20:21.04 | hrw | ok - will fetch that archive and time to sleep |
| 20:23.21 | Pigi | is monotone.vanille.de down for some scheduled maintanance AFAYK ? |
| 20:23.59 | hrw | try ewi or monotone.nslu2-linux.org |
| 20:24.05 | Pigi | thx |
| 20:25.12 | CosmicPenguin | They syould just schedule uptime |
| 20:25.15 | CosmicPenguin | that would make it easier |
| 20:25.20 | Pigi | heh |
| 20:25.42 | Pigi | I will "time" my pull. Today, after three hours I had to stop it :( |
| 20:26.07 | CosmicPenguin | You can get some idea of how it will do by counting how many revisions you get in a minute |
| 20:26.35 | Pigi | yes, more or less. But "time"ing it would be more accurate I suppose. |
| 20:28.17 | Pigi | heh, it took 3 minutes for 2 revs..... I think it will be a long night :) |
| 20:28.35 | CosmicPenguin | how many revs you grabbing? |
| 20:29.03 | Pigi | If I have understood correctly, "revs in" is 493 |
| 20:29.20 | JustinP | haven't pulled for a while, eh? |
| 20:29.33 | JustinP | in my experience "revs written" doesn't go to the "revs in" number |
| 20:29.43 | JustinP | usually around half of "revs in" or a little over |
| 20:29.48 | Pigi | a week or so. I've just been reconnected after my move to new house |
| 20:30.06 | hrw | Pigi: so it will take few hours |
| 20:30.19 | JustinP | yep |
| 20:30.34 | Pigi | heh. Fortunally I'm home now, and can leave the pc running all night long. |
| 20:45.01 | Pigi | hi koen |
| 20:45.15 | koen | hey Pigi |
| 20:45.35 | Pigi | it's a long time..... I've been finally reconnected... :) |
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| 21:18.09 | CosmicPenguin | koen: so, when you do a pull the second time, the server name is optional, right? |
| 21:18.22 | koen | CosmicPenguin: it should be |
| 21:20.33 | CosmicPenguin | koen: updated the wiki then |
| 21:20.43 | koen | ok |
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| 21:32.41 | gerwinin | I cannot get bitbake |
| 21:32.49 | gerwinin | I get a connection refusedn |
| 21:33.01 | gerwinin | Does anybody know what the problem could be ? |
| 21:34.15 | CosmicPenguin | I think, but I might not be sure, that berlios is sickly |
| 21:35.21 | koen | mickey_away:has a snapshot on vanille.de and the nslu2 people have it in monotone |
| 21:37.02 | gerwinin | Koen hoe installeer ik bitbake dan , ook via svn ? |
| 21:37.21 | koen | http://vanille.de/temp/oe/bitbake-snapshot-050728.tar.bz2 |
| 21:38.08 | JustinP | gerwinin: I thought that was English for a second and it made my brain hurt.... |
| 21:38.28 | JustinP | ;-) |
| 21:39.09 | CosmicPenguin | Wow |
| 21:39.12 | gerwinin | JustinP sorry :) doesn't happen to often you see a fellow dutch person |
| 21:39.20 | gerwinin | at oe |
| 21:39.30 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 21:39.36 | CosmicPenguin | Thats funny - we see them all the time... :) |
| 21:40.02 | gerwinin | I never met somebody from Eindhoven here :) |
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| 21:42.56 | JustinP | gerwinin: it's perfectly all right to use your own language for questions and such, it just confused me for a second :-) |
| 21:45.20 | JustinP | wow, 4 revs in in about 2 seconds. That's nice :-) |
| 21:55.48 | Pigi | time to sleep |
| 21:55.50 | Pigi | night all |
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| 22:15.21 | gerwinin | getting an error building bitbake |
| 22:15.45 | emte | you dont generally build bitbake, you build thing with bitbake |
| 22:15.50 | emte | things* |
| 22:15.55 | gerwinin | rpm -ba --define _topdir /root/bitbake/build/bdist.linux-i686/rpm --clean build/bdist.linux-i686/rpm/SPECS/bitbake.spec |
| 22:15.55 | gerwinin | -ba: unknown option |
| 22:16.16 | gerwinin | I know but I want to build bitbake first to be able to use oe |
| 22:16.35 | emte | since when have we had an rpm version of bitbake? |
| 22:17.15 | emte | anyway you will have to write the rpm.SPEC file if you want to do it that way |
| 22:18.07 | CosmicPenguin | I had no idea that even was a possiblitiy |
| 22:18.09 | emte | i wasnt aware anyone had ever created an rpm |
| 22:18.25 | CosmicPenguin | I'm shocked - shocked! |
| 22:18.33 | emte | it is, but not really a functional one since it changes quite a bit |
| 22:19.19 | koen | every time someone says 'rpm' I get pictures of hours of searching the web for the needed dependencies |
| 22:19.31 | emte | that was the old system, yes |
| 22:19.35 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, and bitbake would be a doozie |
| 22:19.38 | emte | i doubt it |
| 22:19.52 | CosmicPenguin | I've seen people try to update Python on Redhat 9 boxes |
| 22:19.53 | emte | but FC and RHE dont have taht problem any more |
| 22:19.54 | CosmicPenguin | its not pretty |
| 22:20.11 | emte | both cleanly follow deps |
| 22:20.22 | emte | and normally use only signed rpms now |
| 22:20.44 | emte | simular to how debs do it |
| 22:21.14 | CosmicPenguin | you heard it here first - emte hates debs, loves rpms! |
| 22:21.20 | emte | anyway gerwinin your far better off to pull directly from svn |
| 22:21.31 | emte | actually, i dont mind either |
| 22:21.41 | emte | i hate building both |
| 22:22.02 | emte | my current workstation is debian and my gf's system is FC |
| 22:22.04 | gerwinin | emte I get a connection refused if I do that |
| 22:22.43 | emte | hmm |
| 22:22.45 | koen | emte: berlios.de is pretty much dead |
| 22:22.52 | koen | at least, it smells that way |
| 22:23.08 | emte | maybe you can convince koen to tar up his and send it to ya :P |
| 22:23.17 | emte | mine is way too far out of date |
| 22:23.31 | koen | like this: http://vanille.de/temp/oe/bitbake-snapshot-050728.tar.bz2? |
| 22:23.37 | emte | yeah :P |
| 22:23.50 | koen | it's also in the nslu2 monotone repo |
| 22:24.06 | gerwinin | I downloaded it and untared it but I keep on having all kind of errors |
| 22:24.14 | emte | what errors? |
| 22:24.26 | emte | most are related to missing onfig/deps |
| 22:24.30 | emte | config* |
| 22:25.03 | gerwinin | ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf |
| 22:25.16 | emte | bad config |
| 22:25.21 | emte | enviroment |
| 22:25.33 | emte | echo $BBPATH |
| 22:25.37 | emte | echo $BBFILES |
| 22:25.46 | koen | BBFILES is sent in local.conf |
| 22:26.09 | emte | yeah but i am guessing none of the enviro is setup |
| 22:26.36 | gerwinin | /root/bitbake |
| 22:27.35 | koen | eeks! |
| 22:27.40 | koen | don't run bitbake as root! |
| 22:27.59 | koen | if some package install goes wrong you end up with arm binaries on your host |
| 22:28.18 | koen | (arm/mips/sparc or whatever the target is) |
| 22:28.58 | gerwinin | I am not running it as root |
| 22:29.02 | gerwinin | Compiling it as root |
| 22:29.24 | koen | bitbake is a buch of python scripts |
| 22:30.15 | koen | untar bitbake, check out OE repo, seth PATH and BBPATH, edit local.conf, done |
| 22:30.28 | koen | anyway, |
| 22:30.29 | koen | night all |
| 22:31.24 | JustinP | gerwinin: you don't have to compile bitbake |
| 22:32.14 | emte | he has all of bitbake itself |
| 22:32.20 | emte | he doesnt have it setup |
| 22:32.27 | emte | and bitbake doesnt get compiled |
| 22:32.38 | emte | its a collection of scripts for the most part |
| 22:32.50 | emte | primarily written in python |
| 22:33.07 | gerwinin | Okay so I don't need to install it emte ? |
| 22:33.20 | emte | you need to set it up |
| 22:33.42 | emte | your question at this point is not really valid |
| 22:34.19 | emte | when it is setup and working, the first thing it does is setup/install the cross-compile enviroment |
| 22:34.54 | gerwinin | Okay |
| 22:36.15 | emte | to "install" bitbake itself all you need to do is configure it's enviroment so it knows where to find everything |
| 22:36.15 | emte | btw are you reading the setup instructions from the wiki? |
| 22:36.39 | emte | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
| 22:38.08 | emte | hmm i think i see where the rpm version of bitbake came from |
| 22:39.39 | emte | where did i put all my a/d docs |
| 22:40.38 | gerwinin | yes |
| 22:43.31 | gerwinin | But it seems svn is not working anymore |
| 22:45.42 | rwhitby | correct. That's why we (nslu2-linux) are moving all our build dependencies (including bitbake) away from berlios.de - they don't seem to be bothered working on the weekend, whereas we usually do. |
| 22:46.14 | rwhitby | We have copied bitbake to our monotone repo. We respectfullly suggest that OE moves bitbake away from svn completely. |
| 22:46.46 | rwhitby | If they do, then we will begin syncing it from the new stable location. In my opinion Berlios.de has shot itself in the foot for the last time. |
| 22:46.49 | kergoth | moving it to monotone gains us absolutely nothing. bitbake doesnt need what monotone provides, and it being in svn avoids the headaches associated with monotone. |
| 22:47.02 | rwhitby | kergoth: put it somewhere which stays up then. |
| 22:47.05 | emte | down servers? |
| 22:47.20 | rwhitby | kergoth: nod on the not needing to be in monotone |
| 22:48.19 | emte | i am hoping it was to put it somewhere which stays up |
| 22:49.05 | rwhitby | emte: I was nodding to kergoth that it doesn't need to be in monotone. |
| 22:49.11 | emte | ah |
| 22:49.18 | emte | yeah |
| 22:49.27 | gerwinin | but my question is how do I install it now ? |
| 22:49.31 | emte | but i was hoping his was to another server :P |
| 22:49.55 | rwhitby | gerwinin: I'm with koen|ewi - never install it - just run it from the source dir. |
| 22:50.54 | emte | yeah... whoever did the newest version of getting started has made it rather difficult to follow |
| 22:52.16 | emte | gerwinin, after unpacking and putting it somewhere for a USER to access |
| 22:52.41 | emte | jump to the "Setup the enviroment" part in getting started |
| 22:53.23 | emte | if your using a dedicated user you could actually edit your .bash_profile to export BBPATH when you login |
| 22:54.06 | JustinP | I just source a shell script |
| 22:54.23 | JustinP | 3 simple lines |
| 22:54.23 | JustinP | export PATH=/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin:$PATH |
| 22:54.24 | JustinP | export BBPATH=/home/papercrane/oe/build:/home/papercrane/oe/com.reversefold.oe |
| 22:54.24 | JustinP | cd /home/papercrane/oe/build |
| 22:54.46 | JustinP | (of course I'm building for a zaurus so I need the PATH line, others dont' need it) |
| 22:54.48 | emte | yeah that looks like a zaurus setup |
| 22:55.29 | emte | depending on your paranoia level you might want to take it farther |
| 22:55.47 | JustinP | eh? |
| 22:55.52 | JustinP | how's that? |
| 22:56.14 | JustinP | you mean if I don't trust the OE/BB developers I should run a user which only does OE building? |
| 22:56.14 | emte | well if you have ever had a cross-compile escape you get a bit more paranoid |
| 22:56.26 | JustinP | escape? |
| 22:56.35 | JustinP | well, I'm not running it as root... |
| 22:56.55 | emte | usually a mistake you do as a user once in a while |
| 22:57.12 | emte | and changing some things results in very bad juju |
| 22:58.07 | emte | depending on what the user has access to, you can do almost as much damage as if it were root |
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| 22:58.53 | emte | there are/have been users who run bitbake in a chroot for just that reason |
| 22:59.23 | JustinP | true....perhaps I should switch to another user then... |
| 22:59.43 | emte | its all about your comfort level |
| 23:00.13 | emte | i use a dedicated user myself and have the enviroment load up in my .bash_profile |
| 23:00.25 | JustinP | makes sense. |
| 23:01.00 | CosmicPenguin | I have had more then one occassion where a bitbake fails because "cannot copy to /usr/bin: permission denied" |
| 23:01.06 | CosmicPenguin | Whew |
| 23:01.25 | emte | yeah those nice hardcoded instructions |
| 23:02.01 | JustinP | Me too. Which is why I don't run it as root |
| 23:05.19 | emte | http://oe.pastebin.com/320633 |
| 23:05.28 | emte | is my old .bash_profile |
| 23:05.34 | emte | has a few redundancies |
| 23:06.06 | emte | dont think its even valid for the current bb now |
| 23:08.23 | emte | lol |
| 23:15.22 | CosmicPenguin | Mad probs to the first person to do a xen domain just for OE |
| 23:15.34 | CosmicPenguin | well, mad props too, but I think you'll have your share of probs |
| 23:18.44 | emte | would be nice to get OE into eclipse ... |
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| 23:19.08 | emte | well it would make it prettier anyway |
| 23:19.19 | emte | dunno about anything beyond that |
| 23:21.51 | emte | bah i hate it when my printer postscript barfs ... |
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| 23:38.23 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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| 23:44.56 | chouimat | hi ljp_ |
| 23:54.55 | gerwinin | I am getting this error with monotone |
| 23:55.03 | gerwinin | monotone: misuse: monotone book-keeping directory MT |