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00:11.36CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * r896b4049... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: GPE 2.7: update gpe-bluetooth to 0.42
00:19.39gerwininWould it be possible to make use of an old screen of a pda (say a really cheap one) for another project with an epia ?
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00:23.20koengerwinin: yes, but it could be difficult
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04:54.09dwildesare there any .bb packages for hylafax?
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05:29.49ZonE-HaKin9|hey if i started a bitbake task-bootstrap and it was a 2.6 kernel version (which didn't work) and wanted to restart it again with the 2.4 kern do i have to start from scratch or what?
05:31.59emtepretty much
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05:51.45emtehey good news for monotone:  njs emte: and we have a Plan For Fixing That, hopefully will be working in a ~few months
05:51.59emtere: speed and computational req
05:52.45emtebit of discussion about monotone etc in the mercurial channel
05:53.16emtesounds like mpm is gathering info and stuff for his presentation at linux.conf.au
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07:32.28RPmorning all
07:47.18ZonE-HaKin9|afkhey RP :)
07:50.30hrw|workhi
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07:54.12ZonE-HaKin9|hi hrw|work
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08:00.56RPhi hrw|work
08:08.18XorAmorning
08:09.17hrw|workhi rp xora zone
08:10.42RPhi XorA
08:12.23hrw|workRP: tried 2.6.13-rc6-mm2?
08:12.57RPhrw|work: No, I'm enjoying a brief period of stabliity ;-)
08:13.03RPhrw|work: How's it looking?
08:13.28hrw|workRP: didnt tried wifi or bt yet - otherwise works ok
08:14.47RPhrw|work: Excellent. I think 2.6.13-rc5-mm1 is going to be the new stable version for a while and I'll remove 2.6.11...
08:15.25hrw|workgreat
08:15.36hrw|worknow we need to get autorotate in opie
08:15.56RPhrw|work: Autorotate should be working with that kernel?
08:16.03RPI thought I'd hacked it to work :-/
08:17.47ZonE-HaKin9|morning XorA
08:17.55hrw|workRP: atleast it does not work on my c760
08:18.01XorARP: fix hostap before deleting 2.6.11 :-)
08:18.27RPXorA: Has someone not done that?
08:18.48XorARP: multi function cards need the in kernel hostap or external needs device table
08:19.27RPah, and I haven't added it - right :)
08:19.59hrw|work<PROTECTED>
08:20.03hrw|workis in 2.6.13-rc7
08:20.49RPhrw|work: I know ;-)
08:21.24ZonE-HaKin9|RP: so i just d/l the pre-built cross-tools from handhelds.org?
08:22.02RPZonE-HaKin9|: I have no idea as its a long time since I downloaded it - what does the wiki say?
08:22.27RPXorA: I'll remember to fix it eventually :)
08:22.57ZonE-HaKin9|RP: to d/l the file :/
08:24.33RPZonE-HaKin9|: And gives you a link to hh.org...
08:26.17ZonE-HaKin9|RP: d/l'ing it now i think i should be able to work the rest out now
08:28.48ZonE-HaKin9|ALL: would it be possable to re-config the poodle mem setting like the collie? ie 32-32 64-0 ??
08:34.24hrw|workZonE-HaKin9|: poodle has 32M only
08:38.11ZonE-HaKin9|D'oh
08:38.20ZonE-HaKin9|maybe its time to sell it??
08:40.09XorAZonE-HaKin9|: or donate it to oz.org
08:44.11ZonE-HaKin9|i wish i couldd but just bought it and don't have much $$$ atm due my little baby boy :) but from the money i would get from selling it i woulddn't have much to get a sl-c3100 to put all my work into?
08:45.44hrw|workpoodle will be hard to sell probably
08:47.31ZonE-HaKin9|maybe able to sell it at work they love the 5500 that we showed them... so the 5600 woulddn't be a hard sell to ppl who don't dev just want a cool pda running linux
08:48.15XorAZonE-HaKin9|: :-)
08:49.12ZonE-HaKin9|well it looks like i will be dev'ing for the 5500 again won't waste my time with 5600 atm...
08:50.00ZonE-HaKin9|been dev'ing direct;y on my 5500 for months so oe & bitbake on a pII500 w/128 will hammer compaired to the 5500 206 w/64 hehe...lol
08:50.06hrw|worksomeone know why "monotone pull" does not want to fetch new revs? I have to use "monotone pull SERVER BRANCH" to get revs..
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09:16.37RPhrw|work: Maybe the default server you have specificed isn't correct?
09:16.44RPI'm not sure how to change it though...
09:17.29hrw|workRP: default is 'vanille.de' here
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09:30.43hrw|workRP: sqlite3 DATABASE; delete from db_vars; - it remove all known_servers and few other things
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09:52.11RPXorA: hostap patch is in. Untested other than compiles ;-)
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09:56.52XorARP: cheers, Ill see if I can give that a go today then
09:58.55CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.dev * re8bfb35a... 10/packages/opie-i18n/ (opie-i18n.inc opie-i18n_1.2.0.bb opie-i18n_cvs.bb): opie-i18n: package opie-dict-en also
09:58.59CIA-403xora 07org.oe.dev * r28199200... 10/packages/gnome/libgnomeprint_2.8.2.bb: libgnomeprint: added EXTRA_OECONF = "--with-cups=no" to prevent pulling in of hosts cups stuff.
09:59.03CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r4ee9f0fd... 10/packages/hostap/ (2 files in 2 dirs): hostap: Add cardid table so it works with recent kernels
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10:16.30hrw|workRP: that cardid table can be expanded a bit more?
10:17.22hrw|workRP: /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf have more cards iirc
10:21.23XorAhrw|work: its only actually essential for Connect+
10:22.12hrw|workXorA: not if I have pcmciautils instead of pcmcia-cs
10:23.47hrw|workwith pcmcia-cs it is really nearly not needed as cardmgr force loading of modules. but with pcmciautils all work has to be done by hotplug which try to modprobe with "modalias" which is created from ID table in module so normal modutils is needed
10:36.07mickeylmorning folks
10:36.23Twiunmickeyl: I'm seeing you online during the day more and more... how's the phd going? :)
10:38.08hrw|workhi mickeyl
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10:39.35mickeylbzzzt. wrong subject. choose another one
10:39.55Twiunhow's, err, monotone?
10:40.08mickeyl:D
10:41.27hrw|workmickeyl: I joined few lines in OOO
10:41.34mickeylhrw|work: thanks
10:41.54hrw|workmickeyl: basically you dont have to use <p> - wordpress add them
10:42.26mickeylI see. Now that I know how I can add things to not-in-menu I'll do the drafts completely in wordpress. it's too annoying to convert it later
10:45.39hrw|work;)
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10:46.22hrw|workmickeyl: there are plugins for wordpress which make it easier but it will require converting of all content so I dont enable them
10:48.52mickeylsure
10:50.15mickeylRP: I'm doing a 3100 image atm. Will give you the location when it's done
11:03.49RPmorning mickeyl
11:04.13RPmickeyl: I'll pass the location on. I told him to post in oz-dev but he doesn't seem to have done so yet
11:04.33RPhrw: Yes, you can add deviceids at will. If you let me know of any extras, I'll push them into mainline...
11:04.56RPShould that bluetooth id be pushed btw or is someone doing that?
11:05.11mickeylRP: it'll be @ http://www.Vanille.de/temp/borzoi in a couple of hours
11:05.18mickeylRP: which bt id?
11:06.13RPthe one which gets added to dtl1_cs
11:06.18mickeylah
11:06.39mickeylbtw., i got a id tuple from a usb host card which is apparantly not in yet
11:06.55mickeyloh and we had much fun with a SanDisk 2G sd card
11:06.57RPI don't even know who added that...
11:07.12mickeylit doesn't work in _any_ Linux device, not even the 2.6.13 zaurus
11:07.13RP"much fun"?
11:07.27RPhmm...
11:07.38RPIts probably too slow at some critical moment...
11:07.47RPTry increasing the value in the mmc_timeout patch
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11:08.09yOyOeKhi all
11:08.26RPGather any cardids toegther and I'll try and get them in mainline. I don't want any patches we can't help...
11:08.53mickeylyep
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11:09.39mickeyli think there's a Sandisk ID missing in hostap
11:09.43mickeyli'll check when I'm home
11:09.57hrw|workRP: that patch was sent to upstream
11:09.57mickeylit's a rare OEM card which has a Connect+ chipset, however 0 MB memory.
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11:10.38RPhrw|work: Ok, that's fine then. It should therefore be at the top of the file ;-)
11:10.53hrw|workRP: dtl1_cs-add-socket-revE.patch is my patch
11:10.55hrw|workRP: ok
11:10.57RPor towards the top...
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11:14.02mickeylhi BigAl
11:14.04mickeylsup
11:14.11RPhi BigAl
11:14.44hrw|workthere are some pending patches from Dominic that I want to see merged
11:14.44hrw|workmainline first, before I am going to submit patches for the Bluetooth
11:14.45hrw|workPCMCIA drivers.
11:14.53hrw|workthats answer from module author
11:15.58hrw|workhi BigAl
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11:17.52mickeylRP: fwiw, I still have that odd idea that 2.6 doesn't shut down all devices and drains more power in standbye than 2.4. Do you have a means to measure that?
11:17.58BigAlHi hrw
11:18.13BigAlHi RP, mickeyl
11:21.07RPhrw|work: Ok, I'm happy just to know its all being dealt with :)
11:21.41RPmickeyl: Its entirely possible. Try the latest battery patches and see if they help as I did make a lot of changes (for the better)
11:21.56RPI should perhaps see if I can measure it somehow...
11:22.03mickeylok will do. will have to upgrade my c7x0 anyway to look at the new hinge support
11:22.24hrw|workRP: added info on top of patch
11:22.40mickeylthe c7x0 runs without a battery once it booted. so if you have measuring equipment for AC you could compare it like that
11:22.47RPmickeyl: It could have been that the battery just doesn't charge as much under 2.6...
11:23.10reenoo_morning
11:23.26RPmickeyl: The last patches should be a bit more active about battery charging...
11:23.36mickeylRP: ok, I'll try that
11:24.01RPThinking about it, I'd better remove the debug code in the battery code...
11:24.04RPhrw|work: thanks
11:25.01RPI've updated my status page to reflect the C3000 kernel status :)
11:25.46mickeylcool
11:26.32CIA-403mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r4f3c6ab6... 10/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-sdmmc-support_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.bb: add borzoi variant of sharp-sdmmc driver
11:26.36CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb7f12e46... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc5-mm1/dtl1_cs-add-socket-revE.patch: linux-oz: added info from upstream about future of dtl1_cs-add-socket-revE.patch
11:30.23__law__here is a new compile error if i try to build an gpe-image http://pastebin.com/344902
11:30.35__law__should i try to build xtst ?
11:31.51XorA__law__: ah, I suspected, xdpyinfo should DEPEND on xtst
11:33.36XorA__law__: thats pb_'s package
11:34.21__law__pb_, could you change this?
11:35.04__law__after installing xtst manually all works fine
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11:47.58CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r7a93d384... 10/conf/ (distro/maemo-preferred.inc machine/netvista.conf):
11:47.58CIA-4Update netvista cinguration.
11:47.58CIA-4Fix several version numbers for the maemo images.
11:48.02CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * rc5331de7... 10/packages/maemo/osso-gnome-vfs2_2.8.4.4-1.bb: Update dependencies to a fixed version of dbus. Change PROVIDES to virtual/gnome-vfs.
11:48.06CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r52fd1ab0... 10/packages/xdpyinfo/xdpyinfo_cvs.bb: Add missing dependency to xtst.
11:48.10CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r603d3c23... 10/packages/gpe-bluetooth/gpe-bluetooth_0.42.bb: Introduce a new version of gpe-bluetooth.
11:48.15CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r771edb7e... 10/packages/gpe-conf/gpe-conf_0.1.25.bb: Add new version of gpe-conf.
11:50.23BigAlWhat's a good media player for Opie?
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11:53.08patwHello
11:53.53patwcould anybody tell me what LEAD_SONAME is for?
11:53.57__law__mickey|lunch, i cant update my monotone repo any ideas? http://pastebin.com/344916
11:55.23koenpatw: it's needed to name the package according to debian package naming rules
11:56.46patwaaah, ok, thank you.
12:00.12hrw|workBigAl: hard to tell - opie-mediaplayer2 should work for most
12:02.14BigAlhrw|work: I could never get that to work, it'd always lock up in the "scanning for files" stage.
12:02.24CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rce4141d6... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: GPE 2.7: use gpe-conf 0.1.25
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12:05.21hrw|workBigAl: works for me
12:06.51hrw|workX-Scale 1.25GHz... intel is weird
12:09.21BigAlhrw|work: I'm rebuilding the image now, hopefully it'll work.
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12:15.35RPBigAl: Did you ever try gpe on spitz-2.6?
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12:18.43BigAlRP: I've tried to build it, but the built kept failing.
12:19.02pb__law_: I lack the privs to change it.  If you can do so, please go ahead; otherwise, please file a request in bugzilla.
12:20.48RPBigAl: It appears to set pxafb into a very strange state when the xserver starts :-/
12:21.37BigAlRP: Weird. With 2.4 it'd build and run to the point where I could set a username and password, but that's it.
12:21.54BigAlRP: If I can get an image to build properly I'll have a poke at it
12:26.52CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r791935fd... 10/packages/maemo/osso-gnome-vfs2_2.8.4.4-1.bb: Fix typo.
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13:06.57RPBigAl: Under 2.6 it works if you disable the command line options in Xserver....
13:07.04RP(unrotated)
13:08.58BigAlRP: Can the Xserver do rotation itself?
13:12.56RPBigAl: yes, although the rotation applet doesn't appear to be installed
13:13.27RPIs there a commandline to tell gpe to rotate?
13:13.49koenxrandr -o {left,right,normal,inverted}
13:14.01koenwhich is the regular tool from X
13:14.06RPkoen: That had no effect on it...
13:14.07koen(just like on your desktop)
13:16.39RPkoen: It will change the login screen. It has no effect after you've logged in - must get changed back by gpe-dm?
13:16.58XorARP: those hostap modules dont work :-(
13:16.59koeniirc it spawns a new xserver after login
13:17.55RPXorA: And the ones in kernel do? Strange...
13:18.11RPXorA: Did you check the card id was correct?
13:18.12XorARP: Its oopsed my kernel, trying to extract now
13:18.30RPXorA: Ah. Not good :-/
13:18.32XorARP: it recognises card, but firmware wont load then it oopsed
13:19.08RPMaybe try disabling the ID in the ide module - perhaps its a resource conflict?
13:20.02XorARP: http://pastebin.ca/20976
13:21.30RPXorA: Its not a "proper" oops - its a soft lockup
13:21.43XorARP: its taking 100% CPU load :-(
13:22.05RPXorA: Its in the IDE layer - its probably requesting ide resources which are in conflict with hostap
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13:23.08XorARP: battery charging LED no longer works either
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13:23.29RPXorA: It wouldn't as the charger code needs cpu time to function
13:23.40RPXorA: Disable the IDE driver od for that card for now and try that...
13:23.51XorARP: no, ive rebooted, and no LED
13:24.39XorARP: battery applet shows AC though
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13:26.20XorARP: odd, rebooted, card is now functioning in both IDE and wlan mode simultaneously
13:28.22hrw|workXorA: but it fails when not present at boot time?
13:28.34XorAhrw|work: yeah
13:28.52XorAah, broken it again, it doesnt last long in when both are running :-)
13:29.15XorAwireles is now running, ide is locked up
13:31.04XorARP: my Z no longer charges from USB on latest kernel
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13:34.32RPXorA: Sounds like some races are present. Still, its a start :)
13:34.38RPThe charging stuff has me concerned...
13:34.48RPUSB doesn't change the reported AC status?
13:35.34RPCan you have a look over the logs for an AC insertion to USB and see if it notices anything at all?
13:37.19XorARP: ahah, it seems it doesnt like it when USB is inserted on boot, just unplugged, re-insterted and its lit LED
13:37.25hrw|workRP: http://pastebin.ca/20978 - my c760 with 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 after remove/connect usb charger
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13:37.32XorARP: and voltage is now going up not down
13:38.34RPXorA: Ok, that's much easier to fix :)
13:38.43RPhrw|work: Thanks, it looks fine :)
13:38.43hrw|workI will reboot with usb charger connected
13:39.14RPhrw|work: Ok, it should do an AC check as it boots - if it doesn't I know what to fix...
13:39.30hrw|workZ started with power led off
13:39.38RPWe used to have a whole load of these bugs and I thought I'd tidied it all up!
13:41.06hrw|work;)
13:42.38XorARP: with reference to your previous comment to mickey|lunch my "fully" charged c7x0 under older kernel now registers as only 70% under new
13:42.42hrw|workmy Z is fully charged so charge led was off
13:43.13RPXorA: I've tweaked the charging profile quite a bit. Is it charging?
13:43.31XorARP: its gone from 70->75
13:43.47RPand the charger is still on?
13:43.54XorARP: yes
13:44.07RPXorA: Interesting :)
13:44.12hrw|workRP: http://pastebin.ca/20979 - kind of dmesg from charged with charger connected on boot
13:44.12XorAnow hovering 75-78-75-78
13:45.07RPhrw|work: You'
13:45.15RPhrw|work: Your battery is fully charged?
13:45.41hrw|workRP: yep
13:45.45RPhrw|work: That log suggests it is - it tried to turn the charger on and found it was full...
13:45.52hrw|workBattery Voltage: 217
13:45.52hrw|work<PROTECTED>
13:45.52hrw|work<PROTECTED>
13:46.15hrw|workvoltage at 100% varies from 216 to 222 on my machine iirc
13:47.04RPThat sounds normal. I think XorA's machine just got confused as it all appears to be doing what it should...
13:48.42XorAwierd while my machine was "confused" it showed a battery percentage while on AC in GPE applet, not it is charging it shows 100%
13:49.40RPXorA: That sounds like someone got the logic inversed in the battery driver apm code ;-)
13:51.08hrw|workI like to see infos like 'on AC, charging, battery is 70% charged now'
13:51.37RPhrw|work: We can do that but not through apm without breaking the specification
13:51.49XorAjust rebooted again with usb connected, and it starts with LED on, then turns it off
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13:52.01RPI don't want to use apm for the battery info...
13:52.05sirfredHello.
13:52.09RPXorA: Watch for it flicking on then off again
13:52.15RPhi sirfred
13:52.23sirfredHi, RP
13:52.38XorAseems to be pretty soliddly off
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13:53.46hrw|workRP: iirc we have all needed info now.. /sys/devices/platform/corgi-battery/battery_percentage give one info
13:54.17RPXorA: We'll have to see what dmesg says then
13:55.45hrw|workRP: does /sys/devices/platform/corgi-battery/power/state have to give info about charging/not_charging?
13:55.55XorARP: the initial boot info is lost by the time I get far enough to get mdesg :-(
13:56.32RPhrw|work: No, that state file is something different. Adding extra information is easy though
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13:58.15XorAhttp://pastebin.ca/20980
14:01.26RPXorA: As you say, too late in the bootup :-(
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14:09.11__law__has anyone else mt pull problems?
14:09.21CosmicPenguinalways
14:10.08mickeyl__law__: are you on oe@handhelds.org ?
14:10.21mickeylif not, might subscribe to it
14:10.42__law__mickeyl, no why
14:11.07sirfredmickeyl: Hi.
14:11.17XorA__law__: essential oe info
14:11.49kergoth_morning
14:12.01mickeyleveryone with OE core access should be on the mailing list or at least regularly read the archives
14:12.54mickeylmorning kergoth
14:13.06koenhey kergoth_
14:14.12RPmorning kergoth
14:17.50ohomickeyl: Hi, could you please tell me if there is an easy way to install all essential python packages at once. Thanks
14:18.15mickeylwho defines what
14:18.18mickeyls essential?
14:19.21kergoth_mickeyl: we just need an app to autogenerate python dependencies.  run it against the script the user is trying to run and have it emit a list of the packages tehy should install
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14:19.26kergoth_heh
14:19.29RPmickeyl: Yes, I also found the newsletter extremely helpful - I'd missed a couple of developments :)
14:19.48ohothat sounds like what I am after ;-)
14:20.02mickeylRP :)
14:20.14mickeylkergoth: it's nearly impossible to do that
14:20.31hrw|workI sent into to one of Polish news services about newsletter
14:20.40mickeylyou can statically look at import statements, but you won't grab all dependencies that way
14:21.07ohomickeyl: then I will write a script which intall's most of them
14:21.46kergoth_worst case you could swipe the parser from the python interpreter's codebase or something.
14:21.46kergoth_heh
14:22.29mickeylit's not a parser thing
14:22.42mickeylyou can do fancy things @ runtime
14:22.51mickeylfoo = "mymodule"
14:22.54mickeyl__import__( foo )
14:23.53kergoth_mickeyl: the python interpreter knows what really needs to be imported given what the user is doing.  worst case we'd hack up an interpreter to remove the unnecessary bits
14:24.02kergoth_heh
14:27.57XorARP: ah, even though charge LED is off it seems unit is charging
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14:31.29RPXorA: So its just the LED not reflecting the state. Interesting...
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14:41.58koenRP: you have a .bb for that?
14:42.37RPkoen: .bbs, yes
14:42.48RPI've not ported all the patches yet though
14:43.03RPI'm not ported any of the patches really, just built without them...
14:44.10RPkoen: I was wondering whether to check them in with DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1 ?
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14:44.26koenRP: no need for that
14:44.48koenpreferred-versions-gpe-2.7.inc selects the right GTK and glib
14:45.32RPkoen: Are you sure? I didn't have to alter that to build with the newer versions...
14:46.02koenpreferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc:PREFERRED_VERSION_gtk+ ?= "2.6.7"
14:46.04RPI am using an older oe tree so if that was a recent change, that would explain the difference...
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14:49.25RPkoen: I'm using an older oe and DISTRO=oz which includes preferred-gpe-versions.inc which doesn't set a version for gtk+
14:50.43koenthat's expected behaviour
14:50.56koenwe only care about versioned distro's
14:52.18lamikrHi koen!
14:52.44koenRP: 2.8 is ABI and API compatible with 2.6, so no need for DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
14:52.45koenhey lamikr
14:53.25RPkoen: ok. I'll list the other things I had to upgrade in a minute and if its ok, I'll push
14:53.31lamikrWe have finally submitted h6300 specific patches to bugzilla. I have tested them working on yesterday nights familiar-0.8.3
14:53.44lamikrhttp://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255 and http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256
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14:58.10RPAfter updating its just pango and glib missing so I should be ok to push?
14:58.15CoreDump|homehi
14:58.28koenRP: glib is in already
14:58.31koenpango too
14:58.46koenand atk
14:58.52koenand cairo
14:59.10hrw|workhi CoreDump
14:59.26RPI went to glib 2.8.1 ;-)
14:59.34koenaha
14:59.47koenI go away for a week and they release new stuff ;)
15:00.05RPand pango_10.1 ;-)
15:00.18RPI'll tidy it up and push
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15:09.25CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rf83ca42f... 10/packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_cvs.bb: Add sqlite to gpe-mini-browser depends
15:10.06lamikrRP: Am I able to build gpe-image with those Å„ew libs if I just change the DISTRO to pure familiar insteat of using familiar-0.8.3
15:12.05RPlamikr: Yes. They're not in yet though...
15:12.50hrw|workkoen: gpe-mini-browser and gpe-pim use sqlite2 still?
15:13.44koenhrw|work: yes
15:19.15hrw|workkoen: any plans to move to sqlite3?
15:20.02koenhrw|work: plans yes, just no developer time available
15:20.55emtecould use edb :P
15:21.04koenno
15:21.12koenthat's berkely db
15:21.12emtesince e depends on gpe anyway now
15:21.17emteyeah i know
15:21.41hrw|workkoen: ok
15:22.03emtecuriousl why you would use sqlite for a browser tho
15:22.12emteseems a bit overkill
15:29.07mickeylCoreDump|home: http://www.vanille.de/temp/efl-altboot.png
15:29.22mickeylCoreDump|home: just a mockup :)
15:29.26kergoth_ooh.
15:29.32CoreDump|homecool :D
15:29.40hrw|worknice
15:29.47koenmickeyl: sweetness!!!!
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15:29.51mickeylhehe
15:29.53mickeylfluff
15:29.58mickeylunnecessary eye candy
15:30.22koenI think trolltech just hired a hitman
15:30.39CoreDump|home:)
15:34.02koen239x321, funky
15:34.04hrw|workaltboot using gtk/x11 will be next step
15:34.30mickeylnah, this will remain fb-only
15:34.35koenevasfb would be more appropriate
15:34.43mickeylmy goal is to make it fit into the spitz flash
15:34.51mickeylwhich means 6MB is the limit
15:34.53mickeylor was it 5?
15:35.27hrw|workspitz/2.6 should be able to boot stright from /dev/hda1
15:36.32mickeylhrw|work: sure, but consider altboot being more than just a bootmanager, i.e. also backup functionality via network and stuff. It makes sense to have nothing running from hd in that case
15:36.43hrw|workyep
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15:37.49mickeylnext thing I'll do will be to add tslib support to ecore-fb
15:37.56mickeylatm. it's hardcoded to some h3600 thingy
15:37.59mickeyl:D
15:38.05RPmonotone doesn'
15:38.08koenheh
15:38.15RPmonotone doesn't have a copy command does it?
15:38.23mickeylRP: not yet
15:38.55RPso we just copy files and lose history?
15:39.08mickeylwhen you copy yes
15:39.13mickeylyou can move instead
15:39.26mickeyli think this is on the TODO list
15:39.45RPnp, just checking :)
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15:41.28kergoth_mickeyl: nice work on the latest newsletter, finally read it.  good stuff.
15:42.13mickeylthanks
15:42.34koenmickeyl: iirc reenoo asked for a 'copy' command and they weren't interested
15:43.18mickeylkoen: too bad, that's handy for projects like ours. guess that most people just rename and are not interested in having multiple files with the same history
15:43.35hrw|workRP: I added few cards from hostap_cs.conf to hostap cardid table: http://pastebin.ca/20988
15:44.05kergoth_i'm going to look at getting tailor to support a monotone source, which will make it easy to test out other source control tools without losing history, or maintain gateways to other tools
15:44.11kergoth_i think we should seriously consider svk, myself.
15:44.21koenmickeyl: how about having a netstumbler (http://www.netstumbler.com/) style 'o' in the A for angstrom?
15:44.34RPhrw|work: fine. feel freel to update the diff
15:44.36hrw|workhostap 0.4.4 have support for pcmcia changes in 2.6.13
15:44.43hrw|work2005-08-21 - v0.4.4
15:44.43hrw|work* added support for pcmcia changes in Linux 2.6.13
15:44.44hrw|work* added support for creating sysfs device files (Linux 2.6.x)
15:45.24CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r8981688a... 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (glib-2.0_2.8.0.bb glib-2.0_2.8.1.bb): glib-2.0: upgrade to 2.8.1
15:45.25RPTime to upgrade I suspect :)
15:45.27CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0ad28d6b... 10/packages/pango/pango_1.10.0.bb: pango: add version 1.10.0
15:45.32CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rab3bfea8... 10/packages/gtk+/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Add gtk+ 2.8.0
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15:47.18emtehmm
15:47.52hrw|workRP: add_event.patch looks like applied, hostap_cardids.patch also
15:47.52emtekergoth, you read my paste lastnight?
15:48.01kergoth_dont think so, what was it?
15:48.04emtehey good news for monotone:  njs emte: and we have a Plan For Fixing That, hopefully will be working in a ~few months
15:48.09emtere: speed and computational req
15:48.15kergoth_ah
15:48.17mickeylkoen: you mean the antenna symbol?
15:48.18kergoth_cool
15:49.13emtenjs and mpm were discussing monotone, i belive mpm was getting info for his presentation at linux.conf.au
15:49.17kergoth_hmm, i should run up to the nearby grocery store and get some soda to bring to work
15:49.20kergoth_emte: ah
15:49.54emtelot of discussion about monotone vs bk design history
15:49.59kergoth_whats the irc channel for hg?
15:50.07emte#mercurial
15:50.46emtevery active group
15:50.57RPhrw|work: That would be what they needed to add to have it work with 2.6.13
15:52.01hrw|worklooks like our hostap_cs.conf need cleaning and comparing with upstream one
15:52.59emteand if your curious it looks liek the newest project is the hgeditor
15:53.45emtesimular to how bk worked i think ...
15:54.34emteokay back to biohazard .... time for all the mouse/touch callbacks
15:54.53emteer, fig segfault first
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15:54.56emtefix*
15:56.00koenmickeyl: yes, the antenna symbol
15:57.57lardman|workAfternoon all; I've just done a bitbake gpe-image for which I pulled last night; I have a strange error in log.do_rootfs: http://pastebin.ca/20989
15:58.04lardman|workBasically the error for unsatisfied deps for task-bootstrap, those modules exist as ipks, I don't know why they're not picked up
15:59.43gerwininLardman I have the same error
16:00.01lardman|workwould the naming make any difference to whether they are picked up? Mine seem to have a 2.6 prefix before the kernel version: http://pastebin.ca/20990
16:00.37gerwininWith me task bootstrap generates an error but it is not saying what it is missing
16:00.56lardman|workgerwinin: even in the log file
16:00.57lardman|work?
16:01.26gerwininYes in the log file it is not saying anything about this
16:01.36gerwininIt is saying unsatisfied depency
16:02.25koenRP: gtk 2.8.0 is so last week ;)
16:02.33reenoo_lardman|work: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51
16:02.52CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r306834bf... 10/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.8.0.bb: gtk-2.8.0: syntax correction
16:03.00hrw|workRP: with 2.6.13-rc6-mm2 hostap-modules 0.4.4 compiles without utsname.patch
16:03.12reenoo_gerwinin: are you sure the log file (not the console output) doesn't contain any detailed info?
16:04.21lardman|workreenoo_: Thanks, I'll work through
16:04.47gerwininrenoo_ I amm looking at log.do_rootfsdoesn't say anything interesting
16:05.22lardman|workgerwinin: look about half way through, that's where my pastebin.ca post came from
16:06.34RPhrw|work: That's good to know
16:09.11gerwininOkay
16:12.11hrw|workmickeyl: can you look at http://pastebin.ca/20993 - its hostap_cs.conf a bit changed to be more up-to-date with upstream one
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16:13.27hrw|workNOTE: package hostap-modules-0.4.4-r0: task do_build: completed
16:14.44hrw|worksomeone familiar with hostap should post our changes to hostap_cs.conf for upstream
16:16.31mickeylhrw|work: why do you do that?
16:16.45mickeyldon't forget that our hostap_cs.conf is _appended_ to the upstream one, not replacing it
16:16.47mickeyl:D
16:16.54hrw|workaha ;)
16:17.02mickeyltricky, isn't it? :))
16:17.18hrw|workmickeyl: so it needs cleaning a bit then
16:17.23mickeylpossible
16:17.31mickeylsome things may have landed upstream already
16:19.33koenhow's the stuff with the celf people working out?
16:20.11hrw|workhttp://pastebin.ca/20994 - modinfo hostap_cs 0.4.4
16:22.09mickeylhmmm i will take some time to get used to the new style aliasses
16:22.39hrw|work"modprobe pcmcia:m*c*f*fn*pfn*pa4B801A17pb6345A0BFpcC9049A39pdC23ADC0E*" is so easy to remember...
16:22.47mickeylhehe
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16:23.10hrw|workpcmciautils will need modutils-modprobe for it
16:23.22mickeylthe full thng?
16:23.23mickeylbummer
16:23.35hrw|workmickeyl: to get module aliases
16:28.24hrw|workcu
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16:47.01RPmickeyl: Do you have gpe with a 2.4 kernel on spitz at the moment?
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16:48.37RPThe config line in /etc/X11/Xserver looks wrong to me, even for 2.4. I suspect it needs 640x480@270  changed to 480x640@270 - the console might be rotated but I doubt the framebuffer is...
16:48.59JustinPRP: I do, yes
16:49.28JustinPRP: I'm the one who added that line for spitz...is it not correct? it works for me
16:49.52JustinPand it worked for jnc when he was testing it
16:49.54RPJustinP: Could you try changing the 640x480 to 480x640 and see if Xserver still works please? You'd better stop gpe-dm from initing on boot just in case...
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16:50.05JustinP(and I assume it's workin on the e-image since people haven't yelled at me about it)
16:50.17RPJustinP: It might work but it looks wrong - the framebuffer is 480x640, not 640x480
16:50.34RPIt doesn't support hardware rotation
16:50.44JustinPRP: surely I don't need to reboot to make it take effect...
16:51.11RPJustinP: No, just restart X - if it screws up the display - reboot instantly though
16:51.15JustinPand I think I tried that at onc epoint but it didn't help my TS rotation problems so I left it as it is now...
16:51.18JustinPok
16:52.26RPI'm seeing certain problems under 2.6 which I doubt will happen with 2.4 - 2.6 pxafb has a massive black hole in its mode handling...
16:52.45JustinPworke exactly the same
16:52.56RPThat's what I thought would happen
16:53.01JustinPthe only reason that's in there is to fix rotation problems
16:53.20JustinPthe screen size works fine if that isn't there, it's just rotated incorrectly
16:53.37RPYes, you can keep the @270 which should do that
16:54.05RPIt just should be 480x640@270 and not 640x480@270
16:54.22JustinPok
16:54.24RPSo I'm ok to change that in OE?
16:54.25JustinPI'll check in that change
16:54.28JustinPor you can
16:54.29JustinPsure
16:54.37JustinPno problems
16:54.42RPI'm in the file so I can do it
16:54.47JustinPdoes it fix your 2.6 problems?
16:54.59JustinPmake sure you change the right one...
16:55.09RPYes, 2.6 works if I fix that
16:55.30JustinPpackages/x11/x11-common/etc/X11/Xserver, right?
16:55.33RPThere is a bug here as well as 2.6 should bomb out with the setting that's there at the moment
16:56.10RPI can see that Xserver-cxk.patch in gpe-dm/files has soething to do with this...
16:56.19JustinPnot any more
16:56.27JustinPlook at the "remove files" patch
16:56.34JustinPI'm removing Xserver from gpe-dm
16:56.40JustinPit's in x11-common now
16:56.47JustinPthere was a discussion on the GPE list
16:57.07RPJustinP: I'm not subbed to GPE :)
16:57.25RPI'll alter the other file then, thanks for the pointer :)
16:57.28JustinPI moved a bunch of scripts from gpe-dm and gpe-session-scripts to x11-common to allow for other X systems to use them (i.e. e17)
16:57.31JustinPnp
16:58.02JustinPright now they're removed with makefile patches...hopefully they'll get updated soon and we can put up a tarball for x11-common somewhere.....
16:58.45emtehey JustinP
16:59.04JustinPemte: hey
16:59.07JustinPgot to run, meeting
16:59.11JustinPI'll be back in a bit
16:59.23emtei am curious ... you are aware that e17 has its own rotation code ...
16:59.52lardman|worknight all
17:00.29RPemte: Its more just specifiying which is the default rotation for different devices...
17:02.01emteyeah i understand that
17:02.23emtei just wasnt sure if he was aware of it
17:02.34emtee doesnt care which direction it goes
17:03.31RPemte: excellent :). To complicate things the C series Zaurii have switches so the screen can auto rotate to the right orientation depending on how the device is held :)
17:03.32CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r26a17ae9... 10/packages/x11/x11-common/etc/X11/Xserver: x11-common: Correct spitz resolution - confirmed on 2.4 and fixes Xserver on 2.6 kernels
17:03.38emtei was playing with the rotation code the otehr day is why it just occured to me
17:04.02emtenah that doesnt complecate it
17:04.11emtesetup a listener to auto-rotate
17:04.19emteproblem solved
17:05.04emtei am discovering ecore's listeners to be very handy things
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17:14.25RPemte: They sound it :). Just needs someone to write the platform support code I guess
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17:21.18emtehttp://enlightenment.org/doxy/ecore/config__listener__example_8c-example.html
17:21.24emteRP, example for you
17:21.29emteeasy peasy
17:21.49emteall that one does is alter ecore_config
17:22.40emtei'll keep in mind the zaurus-rotate tho when i setup biohazard's
17:23.14emtei wasnt aware it had a mercury/tilt switch
17:23.58RPemte: Not tilt switch - the screen has a hinge and it can change from a clamshell to a tablet
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17:24.15RPThere are physical switches to detect the position of the screen
17:24.59emteah, i thought you ment it was a gravity rotate
17:25.22emtetho the code would be the same
17:25.32RPemte: No, but the principle is the same
17:25.33emteyup
17:25.42RPWhen you fold the screen, its nice to have it react :)
17:25.57emteyup
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17:42.59koenmickeyl: is pcmcia applet included in all images?
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18:01.10hrwmickeyl: ping
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18:19.34gremlin[it]good evening !!!
18:19.40kergoth_hey
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18:20.01gremlin[it]hi kergoth !
18:20.44CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb1c39c88... 10/packages/hostap/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added hostap modules 0.4.4 (development version which works with kernel 2.6.13)
18:20.50CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6ea9d797... 10/packages/pcmciautils/ (pcmciautils_005.bb pcmciautils_007.bb): updated pcmciautils to 007
18:20.55CIA-403hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5a11cecc... 10/packages/pcmciautils/ (pcmciautils_001.bb pcmciautils_002.bb pcmciautils_003.bb): removed old versions of pcmciautils
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18:27.40gremlin[it]mhhh question about bitbake ... what are the full list of commands ( supplied with -c ) ???
18:28.34kergoth_do a bitbake -c listtasks on the .bb file and look :P
18:28.35koenbitbake -b file.bb -clisttasks
18:28.48gremlin[it]thanks ...
18:32.46lamikrI have put patches that add h6300 support today to bugzilla, is there any hope somebody could check them today? I will leave on friday for a one week trip, so if we need to make some changes I can only try on today or tomorrow. (bugs 255 and 256)
18:33.23koenkergoth_: is your monotone key in already?
18:33.49kergoth_koen: heh, mickey did so, but then i did something stupid.. removed my .db without exporting my keys
18:33.55kergoth_so now i need to generate a new set :)
18:37.30hrwin update-alternatives higher priority value means higher priority or vice versa? in other words - does 20 is more important then 50 or 50 then 20?
18:38.10kergoth_from the man page:
18:38.14kergoth_"       Each  alternative has a priority associated with it.  When a link group
18:38.14kergoth_<PROTECTED>
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18:38.14kergoth_"
18:38.29hrwok
18:38.40kergoth_so i'd say 50 is more important than 20
18:39.07kergoth_man, these coffee shops are gonna bankrupt me.  i need to buy an espresso/cappuccino machine
18:39.41gremlin[it]i can't find where (specially in kernel 2.6 but also 2.4) is defined the partition scheme of the flash ... my attemps to run kernel 2.6 in h3600 fail cause a kernel panic on trying to mount root fs :( ...
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18:43.27mreimerstill trying to build gpe-image. now getting "Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-task-base: hotplug"
18:44.17mreimerI see build/tmp/work/hotplug-dbus-0.9-r1
18:44.19mreimerIdeas?
18:44.41koendoes hotplug-dbus provide 'hotplug'?
18:44.54lamikrmreimer: How about if you run "bitbake hotplug" and then "bitbake gpe-image"?
18:44.55mreimerhi koen. How do I check that?
18:45.15mreimerlamikr: ERROR: Nothing provides hotplug
18:45.37koenmreimer: ar x build/tmp/work/hotplug-dbus-0.9-r1.ipk and check control.tar.gz
18:46.31koenor check build/tmp/work/Packages
18:47.18mreimerkoen: what am I looking for? Provides: hotplug?
18:47.30koensomething like that
18:47.56hrwmreimer: hotplug-dbus RDepend on hotplug
18:48.31hrwkergoth_: so module-init-tools needs update to be higher priority then busybox
18:48.43mreimerhrw: yes, "Depends: hotplug"
18:49.42mreimerkoen: linux-hotplug-doc and linux-hotplug both provide, replace, conflict with hotplug
18:49.49mreimeris that a problem?
18:50.18koeniirc linux-hotplug is the correct one
18:50.31koenbut I confused them earlier
19:01.51CIA-403ph5 07org.oe.dev * r74801abf... 10/conf/bitbake.conf: mkdir the 'patches' directory before calling quilt
19:02.39kergoth_heh, thats a quick and easy fix for that bug
19:03.34pH5kergoth_: wait till you see the next one
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19:05.34CosmicPenguinWait - I thought we already did that
19:05.36CosmicPenguina long time ago
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19:13.25lamikrHas others expericenced that /etc/profile file build by gpe-image does not have executable bits "x" set? That's happening in familiar-0.8.3 distro.
19:14.28CosmicPenguin/etc/profile should not have the executable bits set
19:16.17kergoth_lamikr: it should be sourced by the shell, not executed.
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19:18.08mreimerwhat's a good machine conf file to start from for a 2.6 kernel? I want to make h2200.conf
19:20.06koenis that really needed?
19:20.06mreimerI dunno. What would be the right way to build a rootfs for h2200?
19:20.06koene.g different mkfs.jffs2 params
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19:21.05gremlin[it]mreimer was u working on kernel 2.6 for h3600 ???
19:21.07mreimerthat's what I'm doing right now, but I'm getting errors: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap: kernel-module-h3900-lcd-2.6 kernel-module-h5400-lcd-2.6 kernel-module-asic2-adcts-2.6 kernel-module-apm-2.6 kernel-module-h5400-battery-2.6 kernel-module-h3900-battery-2.6 kernel-module-pcmcia-core-2.6
19:21.11lamikrok, then I have a somekind of problem. We have /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh that is executed by the /etc/profile script. Tslib.sh sets two environment variables that are needed by the touschscreen driver but for some reason that script is not executed before /etc/init.d/gpe-dm is started. --> touschreen driver does not work. I have put that working simply by adding call to /etc/profile from the /etc/init.d/gpe-dm script but it seems that this is not the cor
19:21.17mreimergremlin[it]: no, h2200
19:21.30gremlin[it]mreimer ops my mistake :)
19:21.51hrwcu
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19:22.29kergoth_lamikr: init scripts are not run by login shells, and as such do not get the profile sourced.  having the init script do so is probably the best solution, or execute gpe-dm in the script using exec -l (iirc, exec's it using a login shell)
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19:31.26lamikrWondering how this is working for other devices like h3600, as we are using same initscripts than other devices... We have Just added  /usr/share/tslib/ts.conf-h6300 and /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh configs to use it. h2200 and h3600 uses same approach.
19:33.08CIA-403ph5 07org.oe.dev * r4a2c1667... 10/classes/kernel.bbclass:
19:33.08CIA-4makes the kernel-module-af-packet package add "alias net-pf-17 af_packet" to
19:33.08CIA-4/etc/modules.conf (fixes #233).
19:39.26CIA-403ph5 07org.oe.dev * r1d77ddb0... 10/packages/libdaemon/libdaemon_0.6.bb: install dexec.h into the staging area
20:00.32dwildes'/clear
20:00.45dwildesooops - sorry :)
20:12.23mickeylkoen: yes, it should be in all opie-images.
20:12.26mickeylhrw|gone: pong
20:12.57koenmickeyl: I noticed
20:13.18koenthe conceptronic pcmcia card is just rubbish
20:13.33mickeylconceptronic? what's that doing
20:13.42koen10mbit ethernet card
20:13.47mickeylah.
20:13.54mickeylno
20:13.55mickeylbillionton
20:14.15koenso it will be either wifi or usb
20:14.45mickeylwhois ph5?`
20:14.53koenphilip zabel
20:15.08mickeylhmm, k.
20:15.59JustinPemte: I'm not sure what you mean by "e17 has its own rotation code. I have used xrandr to rotate my screen (this is what GPE uses) and it works fine with e17. Are you saying that e has a built-in way of doing this?
20:16.20koenxrandr is the X way
20:16.21mickeylJustinP: don't take too much attention :D
20:16.23JustinPemte: AFAIK the rotation is an X thing, not a WM thing. e17 can rotate its orientation but wouldn't this leave the apps rotated the wrong way?
20:16.26koenanything other is crap
20:16.31JustinPheh
20:16.34JustinPok, thanks
20:16.40trekeis e17 running in X?
20:16.45JustinPI really don't know anything about xrandr
20:16.47JustinPyes, it's in X
20:16.50trekeI was under the impression it was running on the fb
20:16.50JustinPhence xrandr works
20:16.51mickeyltreke: yeppa.
20:16.55JustinPnope
20:16.56koentreke: configurable
20:17.01mickeyltreke: no, most e17 apps are X only yet.
20:17.05JustinPe17 and pretty much all the other *programs* need X
20:17.08trekeah
20:17.16mreimerJustinP: what's the best way to give e17 a try with OE?
20:17.21JustinPthe libraries are set up to run on fb/qt/whatever as well, though
20:17.29JustinPmreimer: bitbake e-image
20:17.32mreimerthanks
20:17.47trekeI thought I remembered something  about raster doing an evas only e17 as well
20:17.48JustinPmreimer: although the unzipped image is >80MB, maybe over 90MB now
20:17.49trekemaybe not
20:18.06JustinPtreke: raster told me himself that e17 was X only
20:18.20trekeThen I'm clearly mistaken
20:18.33JustinPtreke: it *should* be possible...but all the apps would have to be built on evas as well. A WM is of no use without programs.
20:18.33mreimerwhat's the RAM footprint like?
20:18.42JustinPmreimer: ummm....let me check....
20:18.53mickeylworks fairly well on 64MB RAM devices
20:19.14mickeyl"mouse" buttons being the only major thing to solve before we can release such an image
20:19.23mickeyloh and a lighter theme
20:19.26mickeylbut that's minor
20:19.57JustinPmickeyl: load up the engage module and start xmonobut ;-)
20:20.17CosmicPenguinsounds like a Start Trek command
20:20.27mickeyl"make it so"
20:20.34koene16 did have an lcars theme
20:20.38CosmicPenguinThen, you should rerount the power through the phasers and cause the DNA in the gas cloud to realign
20:20.43koen'energie'
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20:21.00koenthe german voice-overed startrek is just to scary
20:21.17trekehehe
20:21.44gremlin[it]mhhh should sound good klingon in doich :) :) :)
20:22.03JustinP~57MB used on my Z with 1.3MB buffers and 33MB cached
20:22.28JustinPso....23MB or so?
20:23.15mreimerI suppose that's enough for another decent app or two to run
20:23.18JustinP(assuming I'm reading that right)
20:23.31JustinPof course I also have a swap partition ;-)
20:24.06JustinPactually it's not on right now
20:24.13JustinPforgot ot turn it on after my rebuild
20:24.29JustinPI need to rebuild again, actually...I've still got a hybrid GPE/e17 for my main boot
20:25.00mickeylrebuild? how yesterday
20:25.02gremlin[it]there is screenshoot of e17 ?
20:25.17mickeylJustinP: http://vanille.de/temp/efl-altboot.png ;)
20:25.37JustinPmickeyl: huh? I mean that the "image" on my zaurus was the GPE image and I installed e17 on top of it. I've been testing my e-images with image files.
20:25.47JustinPmickeyl: I saw that, looks sweet
20:25.50mickeylJustinP: i know. i was just longing for a chance to post this mockup again :))
20:25.54JustinPmickeyl: too bad it's only a mockup
20:25.59mreimernice!
20:26.00mickeylwell
20:26.02mickeyllets say
20:26.07mickeyl60% is mockup
20:26.09mickeyl40% is code
20:26.23JustinPyou actually have some done? awesome :-)
20:26.36JustinPgremlin[it]: http://handhelds.org/scap/
20:26.46JustinPoops...damn
20:26.46mickeylmost work is my C++ abstraction layer, because i can't stand C
20:26.51mickeylheh
20:26.53JustinPthere were some e17 screenshots there a little while ago
20:27.15JustinPmickeyl: ah....so you're readying your C++ layer for use? Any actual altboot code done?
20:27.24kergoth_mickeyl: hehe, i've been shamelessly posting your mockup to #elinux and places ;)
20:27.33mickeylkergoth: excellent :D
20:27.51mickeylunfortunately you can't see it's animated. the two horizontal bars are glowing
20:28.00koenoooh
20:28.00kergoth_ooh.
20:28.04mickeyland to be honest... I ripped that as part of an E background
20:28.21mreimerbtw, cairo 1.0 is out
20:28.26mickeylcool
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20:29.28mickeylFYI: first dude gives actual feedback on OZ/3100. I guess it somehow works then
20:29.39JustinPmreimer: here you go: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5276.png
20:29.42CosmicPenguinmmmm... cairo
20:29.58mreimerJustinP: sweet!
20:30.43mreimerhopefully cairo will get a little acceleration on ARM (some asm and soft-float for starters)
20:30.47CosmicPenguincute
20:31.56JustinPmreimer: 2 more:  http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5604.png
20:32.09JustinPhttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.5655.png
20:32.31mreimerJustinP: you're torturing me. I wonder how it will look on 240x320?
20:32.40JustinPmreimer: try it and see...
20:32.51JustinPmreimer: I'm not sure how usable entrance will be on that size screen...
20:32.55mreimerJustinP: I hope to
20:33.22mreimerhas anyone successfully built gpe-image for 2.6 recently?
20:33.42koenNOTE: package cairo-1.0.0: completed
20:33.50mreimerkoen: you're fast :-)
20:33.56mickeylJustinP: E's theming is absolutely great. Making entrance work on 240x320 is just a matter of adjusting the theme.
20:34.11koenmreimer: I just copied the 0.9.2 .bb and adjusted the SRC_URI :)
20:34.38JustinPmickeyl: well, I know it's good, I just haven't played with the theme stuff as yet....
20:34.56JustinPmickeyl: actually....e will be compiled with the lower profile for the smalle rdevices, won't it?
20:35.13JustinPalthough I'm not sure if this affects entrance....
20:35.15mreimerwhat provides things like kernel-module-h3900-lcd-2.6? I'm getting unsatified dependencies when building gpe-image
20:35.26mickeylJustinP: yes, but that won't affect the entrance theme.
20:35.39JustinPshould be pretty easy to add a post-compile bbclass which themes
20:35.42koenmreimer: I think the defconfig needs to be adjusted
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20:36.29koenI think so
20:36.40koenbut I haven't looked into kernels for a while
20:36.59kergoth_Fatal error: Call to undefined function: get_bloginfo() in /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/wordpress/wp-includes/wp-db.php on line 304
20:37.00kergoth_eh
20:37.02kergoth_thats no good
20:37.32mickeylgot that too when i hit a layer 2 likn
20:37.33mickeyllink even
20:37.45mickeyldidn't occur when starting from the main site
20:38.08kergoth_odd
20:38.35mickeyl~shoot sourceforge.net
20:38.39ibotACTION shoots sourceforge.net in the eye with a glue gun!
20:38.56mickeylwe really should move to another provider, it's unbearably slow. guess they moved oz.org to the slowest server they have
20:39.02CosmicPenguinouch
20:40.58trekehehe
20:40.59gremlin[it]i still have problem with "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,1)" on kernel 2.6 with h3600 :( ...
20:41.08trekego sourceforge!
20:41.44gremlin[it]that's set linuxargs="mtdparts=ipaq:0x00040000(bootldr)ro,0x00FC0000(root) root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc noinitrd console=ttySA0 rootfstype=jffs2"
20:41.55gremlin[it]but i got from kernel :
20:42.14gremlin[it]SA1100 flash: CFI device at 0x00000000, 16MiB, 32-bit                          
20:42.14gremlin[it]RedBoot partition parsing not available                                        
20:42.17gremlin[it]SA1100 flash: using static partition definition                                
20:42.22gremlin[it]Creating 4 MTD partitions on "sa1100":      
20:42.33gremlin[it]...
20:42.39gremlin[it]jffs2: Too few erase blocks (2)                                                
20:42.40gremlin[it]Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,1)
20:43.05JustinPgremlin[it]: using the right updater.sh?
20:43.16gremlin[it]updater.sh ?!?!?
20:43.26JustinPgremlin[it]: just a guess
20:43.34JustinPno idea what you're actually doing...
20:43.40gremlin[it]h3600 (the old) ... not h6300 ...
20:44.06koenJustinP: updater.sh is a sharp only thing
20:44.33gremlin[it]ahhh :) ... i thought i was doing completelly wrong procedure
20:44.47JustinPah....yes, ok, sorry
20:45.13gremlin[it]i built a task-image with a familiar kernel26 h3600 ... using oe :)
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20:52.11emteJustinP, no it handles rotating everything
20:52.22emtewethere the apps like it or not ...
20:52.26emteweather*
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20:52.51emtei cant imagine a non-e app behaving very well, you are correct
20:53.16koena *wm* handles rotating?
20:53.17emtemmm red bean bun
20:53.22emteyup
20:53.25koenare you sure you aren't on crack?
20:53.46emtethere are even examples in the cookbook
20:53.53emtesec i'll grab you a link
20:54.40mickeylslowly guys. Evas handles rotation - which is perfectly on spec for a canvas abstraction layer. You *could* use that on the X backend as well, but it's pretty worthless. It has been designer for the non-rotatable backends like the FB.
20:55.03koenthat's what I thought
20:55.15emtehttp://enlightenment.org/docs/eflcookbook.html#id2460452
20:55.18JustinPemte: exactly, non-EFL apps are going to go bonkers. You can go ahead and patch e17 and try it yourself, but I'm positive it's not going to work for X apps
20:55.20koenand why I said '*wm*'
20:55.32JustinPsame thing I said earlier
20:56.08emtenah, i dont plan on doning stuff for x-apps
20:56.22emtetrying to convince some programmers now to write e-apps
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20:56.58emtegetting them to do some of the cookbook examples to get a basic handle on the code
20:57.18koenemte: I can't see an example of the wm doing rotation
20:57.21koenonly evas
20:57.51emtee is one evas canvas container taht contains objects
20:58.03koenare you blind?
20:58.15koenWM WM WM WM WM WM WM
20:58.25emteif you simplify it down enough that is all it is
20:59.10koenno, it isn't
20:59.11emtethen you add in all your callbacks, listeners, and handlers
20:59.24koenthe wm manages X windows
20:59.30koenincluding the rootwin
21:00.12koenit does *NOT* paint regular apps on an evas canvas
21:00.32emteno it cant
21:00.32koenso it does *NOT* do rotation
21:01.09kergoth_;)
21:01.49reenoo_kergoth_: hehe. I've been missing that while you were away ;)
21:02.05kergoth_hehe
21:02.13kergoth_my old boss told me i should tell prospective employers to google for kergoth
21:02.25CosmicPenguinheh
21:02.26kergoth_i considered all the ircl ogs out there of me berating some noob, and decided against that
21:02.27reenoo_heh
21:02.44CosmicPenguinMabye you can bribe tim to do a perl s/kergoth// on the irc logs
21:02.49kergoth_hehe
21:03.11kergoth_"no really, i'm nice when i'm paid to be! just not on my own time!"
21:03.37gremlin[it]mhhh i start to suppose kernel-2.6 don't support flash for h3600 :( :( :( ...
21:04.14emtei only suggested it as a possible option for dealing with the zaurus rotate switch for the e-image nothing more
21:04.55reenoo_gremlin[it]: I don't think 2.6 is ready for end users on h3600
21:05.49gremlin[it]no end user ... either (beginners) developer ... if u enable mtd ipaq maping kernel don't compile ;(
21:06.41gremlin[it]| drivers/built-in.o: In function `h3xxx_really_set_vpp':
21:06.54emtegremlin[it], which part of the sa-1110 did you write your code for?
21:06.54gremlin[it]| freq_table.c:(.text+0x40b90): undefined reference to `assign_h3600_egpio'
21:07.00kergoth_gremlin[it]: this really isnt the channel for this.  try #handhelds.org
21:07.16gremlin[it]emte ... micro
21:07.50gremlin[it]kergoth i know ... but here at least i got some answer ... on #handhelds.org no one speak :( ... sorry
21:08.16koendjeez
21:08.21emteyeah, the same thing happens when i try to talk to myself like reenoo_  tells me to
21:08.35koenwhen will people realize that opie isn't installed on every embedded device
21:08.39koenmorons
21:10.14kergoth_:(
21:10.29reenoo_koen: relax ;)
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21:21.03koen~kergoth
21:21.05ibotmethinks kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy at Texas Instruments.  Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@ti.com.  OpenZaurus project founder.  Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OZ, and OpenEmbedded projects.
21:21.15kergoth_heh, thats old
21:21.29koen~cluebat
21:21.30ibot*WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK*
21:21.35koen:)
21:22.36kergoth_~no, kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy currently at Astrocom Corporation (http://www.astrocorp.com/).  Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@astrocorp.com.  Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OZ, and OpenEmbedded projects.  Maintainer of the tslib project.
21:22.49kergoth_bah, silly bot
21:22.50kergoth_ibot: no, kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy currently at Astrocom Corporation (http://www.astrocorp.com/).  Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@astrocorp.com.  Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OZ, and OpenEmbedded projects.  Maintainer of the tslib project.
21:22.51ibotkergoth_: okay
21:24.28emtegrr
21:24.57emtemust be a rule ...
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21:35.22JustinPall right, going to get some work done now
21:43.20sirfredGood night.
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21:47.32gerwininHow do I upload a new kernel to oe ?
21:52.22emteto your device or the metafile to the repo?
21:52.59mreimerI'm still getting errors building gpe-image: "Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-task-base: hotplug". Any more ideas? According to Packages, linux-hotplug-doc and linux-hotplug both claim to provide, replace, and conflict with hotplug
21:53.30pb_mreimer: that would be the problem.
21:53.55mreimerpb_: I thought that might be. How can I go about solving it?
21:54.07gerwininThe metafile
21:54.09mreimerboth ipks are built
21:54.24pb_mreimer: linux-hotplug-doc should not be providing, conflicting with, or replacing hotplug.  I think the .bb file for linux-hotplug is defective.
21:55.03mreimerthat would be linux-hotplug_20040920.bb ?
21:55.13pb_mreimer: right.  it sounds like you need to replace RDEPENDS with RDEPENDS_${PN}, and likewise for RCONFLICTS and RREPLACES.
21:55.41mreimerdo you mean RPROVIDES (not RDEPENDS)?
21:55.49pb_er, yeah, sorry
21:55.51pb_~lart pb_
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21:55.56mreimerok, thanks
21:57.04emtegerwinin, send it to the mailing list/or the other place taht i for get
21:59.35reenoo_gerwinin: attach the files you want to be added to a bug filed at bugs.openembedded.org
22:03.07emteodd concept, metafile additions are bugs  :P
22:03.24emtemost likly true for the most part
22:03.39kergoth_bug trakcing systems are generally used for both feature requests and bugs
22:03.54CosmicPenguinAs they should be
22:05.04gremlin[it]GOT PROMPT !!!
22:05.09gremlin[it]root@h3600:~# uname -a  
22:05.15gremlin[it]Linux h3600 2.6.12-hh2 #17 Wed Aug 24 23:45:15 CEST 2005 armv4l unknown        
22:05.47emtegood job gremlin[it]
22:05.59gerwininIf you want to start a built from the beginning which bitbake command do you use ?
22:06.21emterm -Rf tmp ?
22:06.33koenwhat do you mean?
22:06.53koenor rather: what do you want to do?
22:07.07gerwininI want to erase my previous built from opie-image
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22:07.12gerwininAnd start all over again
22:07.52koenrm -rf build/tmp ; bitbake opie-image
22:08.03gremlin[it]i'm happy and i go to bed ;) :) :)
22:08.17dwildesgerwinin:  if you want to automatically purge the directory, re-extract the source, apply patches - without rebuilding everything.   I do 'bitbake rebuild <package>'
22:08.29emtenight gremlin[it]
22:08.40gremlin[it]byeeeeeeeee
22:08.50koen'night gremlin[it]
22:10.49gerwininnight gremlin
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22:15.30mreimerpb_: what do I need to do after editing the .bb to get bitbake to see the change? I ran "parse" and then "rebuild linux-hotplug", but the resulting still has the same provides, conflicts, replaces
22:15.55mreimerin the bb I'm using RPROVIDES = "hotplug_${PN}", RCONFLICTS = "hotplug_${PN}", RREPLACES = "hotplug_${PN}"
22:16.02pb_mreimer: did you increment PR?
22:16.11pb_if not, do that
22:16.14mreimernope. that's what I'm missing
22:16.19mreimerreparse?
22:16.25pb_yeah
22:18.03mreimerare ipkgs like kernel-module-h3900-lcd-2.6 generated automatically by ipkg-make-kernel2.6-packages based on what the build generates? So whatever modules are created get packages up according to some munging of their names?
22:19.40pb_right, although oe doesn't use the ipkg-make-kernel*-packages scripts.
22:19.51pb_it has its own stuff, which lives in kernel.bbclass.
22:20.46mreimerthe reason I'm asking is because when building gpe-image I'm getting "Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap: kernel-module-h3900-lcd-2.6...". Do I just need to keep tweaking the ipaqpxa_defconfig until it properly builds these missing modules?
22:21.06pb_yeah, probably
22:21.17mreimerok, I'll keep at it. thanks as always
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22:24.42emtedamn strcpy ...
22:26.58pb_mreimer: okay, cool
22:34.05yOyOeKpackage xdpyinfo compilation error on configure
22:34.48yOyOeKchecking xext xtst package xtst was not sound :(
22:35.10mreimeryOyOeK: try updating; I think a fix was committed in the last day
22:46.01mreimerbitbake -i rocks
23:00.18CIA-403nail 07org.oe.dev * ra91a76a6... 10/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Move qc-usb
23:00.23CIA-403nail 07org.oe.dev * ra6cc7e9f... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Re-add qc-usb-messenger to openslug feed
23:00.27CIA-403nail 07org.oe.dev * r617b38d3... 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update DESCRIPTION
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23:09.45JustinPok....if I want to run a script whenever usbd0 is started up (i.e. when I plug a mini-B connector into my zaurus and the other end into a PC) where do I put it?
23:09.53JustinPhotplug seems like the plae but I'm not sure where....
23:32.51JustinP::sigh::
23:33.20JustinPand it would probably not work anyway...I added some code to net.agent and it works...except reloading the module causes it to be run again, of course...
23:43.59CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r8bdd9843... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: general cleanup of spitz patches. Disable debugging of common power/battery code
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23:57.35reenoo_'night all
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