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| 07:54.07 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:14.39 | katossi | morning |
| 08:15.17 | katossi | I can't belive a bug I reported one week ago, with patch and everything didn't make it to the cvs |
| 08:15.49 | katossi | what should I do? is anyone checking the bugs reported, or will they always be NEW? |
| 08:16.14 | XorA | bugs are normally processed pretty fast unless there is a problem |
| 08:16.19 | XorA | what bug number |
| 08:17.33 | RP | morning all |
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| 08:25.27 | koen | another problem is the we don't have a cvs repo |
| 08:25.42 | koen | (we have, but that hasn't been used in years) |
| 08:26.37 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:28.17 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 08:34.17 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 08:35.59 | hrw|work | hi RP |
| 08:37.59 | hrw|work | RP: heh.. got kernel panic after connecting usb cable... -rc4 |
| 08:44.22 | RP | hrw|work: ah :-( |
| 08:44.48 | hrw|work | RP: but it is not reproductable |
| 08:45.01 | RP | Do you have a copy of the panic? |
| 08:46.20 | hrw|work | nope sorry |
| 08:46.47 | hrw|work | /dev/mtdblock2 53.0M 42.6M 10.4M 80% /dev/.static/dev |
| 08:46.59 | hrw|work | I have to find way to remove that from Z |
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| 08:47.26 | reenoo | morning |
| 08:47.30 | hrw|work | hi Rene |
| 08:47.56 | reenoo | hey Marcin |
| 08:48.24 | woglinde | hi renoo |
| 08:48.37 | hrw|work | ~lart debian kernel-package |
| 08:49.06 | woglinde | hrw hm? |
| 08:50.41 | hrw|work | woglinde: unpack vanilla kernel, build with make-kpkg, apply any vanilla patch - will get errors on scripts/builddeb. and it makes 'ketchup' tool fails |
| 08:51.00 | woglinde | hrw hm |
| 08:51.14 | ade|desk | koen: is ewi546 monotone up atm ? |
| 08:51.16 | woglinde | what errors? |
| 08:51.34 | hrw|work | woglinde: patch does not apply |
| 08:52.07 | woglinde | hrw and why is this a error from make-kpkg? |
| 08:52.31 | hrw|work | woglinde: nothing more touched /usr/src/linux/ |
| 08:52.38 | koen | ade|desk: it is |
| 08:53.45 | woglinde | hrw dont get it |
| 08:54.26 | hrw|work | woglinde: I'll try to get this once more later |
| 08:55.03 | reenoo | hi woglinde |
| 08:55.32 | ade|desk | koen: ewi546 seems to not be accepting new connection, dominion works great though :) |
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| 09:04.27 | hrw|work | alan|home: hi |
| 09:06.44 | katossi | XorA: the bug I talked about is #394 |
| 09:07.12 | katossi | I think I have a problem understanding the bugs fixing workflow |
| 09:07.43 | katossi | either that or there is no workflow at all, and this just happen (with luck) |
| 09:09.07 | alan|home | hello hrw|work |
| 09:11.12 | XorA | katossi: ahah, I suspect its just that no-one has needed that yet, if an app/lib is little used it takes longer for patches to get in, especially as the guys are nearing a release |
| 09:13.07 | katossi | XorA: I thought so, it's required for xfce-image, and it's hard to belive nobody uses that |
| 09:13.37 | XorA | katossi: Ive never heard anyone use it, GPE is so good |
| 09:13.38 | hrw|work | katossi: I fix OE bugs when: 1. they are for pacakges which I maintain 2. which I use 3. which has fixes attached 4. which are trivial to fix |
| 09:13.59 | XorA | hrw|work: that bug meets 3 &4 :-) |
| 09:14.28 | hrw|work | XorA: but as I dont use anything which use it then I dont know does that fix is correct.. |
| 09:15.00 | XorA | katossi: you could always volunteer to maintain xfce-image |
| 09:15.12 | katossi | hrw|work: I'm not complaining, I just want to say some bugs stay there forever, specially when that had a working patch attached |
| 09:15.37 | katossi | XorA: I'm not so skilled, I'm just able to find obvious bus |
| 09:16.33 | katossi | but I guess that's the key to success, using the feedback from regular users, because there is too few skilled people able to fix everything |
| 09:17.13 | hrw|work | XorA: thats AMD stuff which is CosmicPenguin |
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| 09:27.54 | absnsan | I'm interested in getting Linux on my WinCE 3.0 sharp PV-5000A device |
| 09:27.58 | absnsan | any ideas? |
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| 09:56.28 | hrw|work | woglinde: http://pastebin.ca/26040 |
| 09:57.05 | hrw|work | woglinde: thats from "bzcat ../archive/patch-2.6.14-rc4.bz2 |patch -R -p1 --dry-run" after using make-kpkg |
| 09:58.19 | woglinde | hrw hm |
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| 09:59.36 | woglinde | hrw did you try the patch after make-kpkg clean? |
| 10:00.07 | hrw|work | woglinde: currently i only did "make-kpkg debian;dch -i;fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" |
| 10:01.34 | woglinde | hm |
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| 10:01.45 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.48 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.57 | woglinde | i never used make-kpkg debian |
| 10:02.22 | hrw|work | woglinde: I used to create debian dir. but will take care of that patching in other way |
| 10:02.57 | woglinde | I always pachted the kernel before |
| 10:03.15 | woglinde | and than use make-kpkg -revision kernel_image and modules_image |
| 10:03.33 | hrw|work | woglinde: I used to start with one version and then updating it into newer or newer or... etc |
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| 10:07.04 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 10:07.13 | woglinde | bye |
| 10:07.17 | woglinde | next lecture |
| 10:09.16 | Pigi | botmail for jamey: sorry for bothering you, jamey. Did you get some time to look at my h3870 ? |
| 10:09.45 | Pigi | botmail check |
| 10:10.35 | Pigi | ~lart botmail |
| 10:10.55 | koen | hey Pigi |
| 10:10.56 | Pigi | ~lart botmail for being so hard |
| 10:11.02 | Pigi | hey koen |
| 10:11.15 | Pigi | what's wrong with botmail ( AFAYK ) ? |
| 10:11.19 | koen | Pigi: crl closes on friday, so I guess Jamey is busy finishing stuff this week |
| 10:11.32 | Pigi | that's a sad new. |
| 10:11.50 | koen | He did find a new job at Nokia |
| 10:12.01 | Pigi | ( and I wish my 38 is in his finish list :) |
| 10:12.33 | Pigi | so crl closing means also moving on new jobs ? They didn't move those peoples in other internal location ? |
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| 10:12.50 | koen | hp fired 10% of their employess |
| 10:13.04 | Pigi | sad, sad. |
| 10:13.05 | koen | which included crl |
| 10:13.22 | Pigi | what about france ? |
| 10:13.53 | koen | france has been a outside contract worker for some years now |
| 10:14.04 | koen | so he'll continue to work freelance |
| 10:19.53 | Pigi | good for him, and nice to know |
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| 10:24.16 | Pigi | help botmail |
| 10:24.49 | Pigi | why do I'm unable to get the botmail working ? |
| 10:27.09 | hrw|work | Pigi: "~botmail help" or "ibot: botmail help" or even better: "/msg ibot botmail help" |
| 10:27.38 | Pigi | that's ( more or less ) what I'm trying to do since.... Let's try again |
| 10:27.42 | Pigi | thx hhhcz |
| 10:27.45 | Pigi | thx hrw|work |
| 10:27.47 | hrw|work | np |
| 10:27.56 | Pigi | ~botmail help |
| 10:28.24 | Pigi | ibot: botmail help |
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| 10:31.11 | Pigi | I suspect botmail isn't working. Is it part of ibot code or are different bot ? |
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| 11:19.35 | lardman | RP: ping |
| 11:40.18 | hrw|work | re |
| 11:41.36 | lardman | hey hrw|work |
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| 11:41.47 | lardman | what kernel are you running on your c7x0? |
| 11:41.58 | hrw|work | lardman: -rc4 |
| 11:43.39 | lardman | Hmm, I must update (I'm on rc1 I think) - my battery is going flat after a few days suspended... |
| 11:44.40 | hrw|work | mine too |
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| 11:53.10 | koen | bleh |
| 11:55.40 | hrw|work | koen: you are teaching? |
| 11:56.16 | koen | hrw|work: I'm the 'kick him if OE blows up' person |
| 11:57.33 | koen | at least the java buildhack I made isn't giving troubles |
| 11:57.40 | koen | I *really* don't want to debug that |
| 11:57.43 | koen | ~stab java |
| 11:57.45 | ibot | ACTION runs at java with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 11:57.47 | koen | ~stab apache ant |
| 11:57.49 | ibot | ACTION runs at apache ant with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 12:03.37 | hrw|work | hm. I have to get not only seconds but also mseconds ;( |
| 12:04.19 | hrw|work | or maybe not.. |
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| 12:06.15 | skytee | hi. |
| 12:06.51 | skytee | how do i find out what binary will be in what package? i need xinit, and now i am looking for the package to bitbake. |
| 12:07.24 | skytee | what is the means to look it up? |
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| 12:41.24 | mithro | zecke: ping |
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| 12:42.32 | skytee | re |
| 12:51.24 | lardman|lunch | skytee: not sure that there's a way with oe, but if you have an installed image you could do 'ipkg whatprovides /usr/bin/xinit' (or whatever), or take a look on ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
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| 12:54.22 | reenoo | re |
| 13:03.53 | RP | lardman|away: pong |
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| 13:44.11 | emte | xinit should be in with the xserver |
| 13:44.34 | emte | i am not sure its used in some distros tho... |
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| 14:49.10 | Pigi | later all |
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| 14:57.17 | hrw|work | NOTE: package opie-notes-1.2.1+cvs-20051021-r0: task do_build: completed |
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| 15:18.21 | hrw|work | cu |
| 15:18.59 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rfcbed952... 10/: |
| 15:18.59 | CIA-7 | openslug-kernel: cleanup, move to 2.6.14-rc4 |
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| 15:48.36 | lardman|work | RP: I was just going to ask about the battery drain thing (see my post earlier) - but I think hrw confirmed that he sees it too |
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| 16:07.22 | RP | lardman|work: I can't think of anything that's recently changed that would cause it :-/ |
| 16:07.57 | RP | Unless it was the cpufreq patch although I don't see how it would be... |
| 16:07.58 | lardman|work | RP: Not sure it's all that recent actually, it's been niggling away at me, but I wasn't too sure about it |
| 16:08.37 | lardman|work | Even now I'm not too sure (haven't been using my Z much) - I just wanted to see if anyone else had seen it |
| 16:09.47 | RP | I've been using spitz a lot more than c7x0. spitz has its own power problems until recently... |
| 16:10.26 | lardman|work | more fun hey ;) |
| 16:10.39 | lardman|work | (the power problems that is :D) |
| 16:11.28 | RP | I know also know why akita 2.6 doesn't work |
| 16:11.52 | RP | akita has a different NAND chip with a 2048byte page size :-/ |
| 16:12.24 | lardman|work | Is that the cause of the booting (not finding init) problems which someone (sorry, forgot who) was having? |
| 16:12.38 | RP | It is |
| 16:12.48 | RP | katossi: perhaps |
| 16:12.56 | lardman|work | Yes, sounds familiar |
| 16:13.54 | lardman|work | I'll do some testing to make sure the battery thing's not just my imagination (or cpufreq patch) |
| 16:14.40 | RP | The cpu should change frequency when suspending regardless. It could be the memory frequency isn't getting changed or something though |
| 16:14.57 | katossi | RP: what? |
| 16:15.16 | katossi | RP: so you found it!! great!! |
| 16:15.35 | lardman|work | RP: I'll have a look into it |
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| 16:15.54 | RP | katossi: I know what the problem is, yes. How to fix it is another question. I'm working on it |
| 16:15.55 | katossi | RP: how did you find it? |
| 16:16.16 | RP | Someone with an akita and a serial lead gave me the logs |
| 16:16.26 | katossi | finding the problem is a great step towards fixing it :) |
| 16:16.44 | katossi | cool |
| 16:17.36 | wpiku_ | RP, can I make a request? |
| 16:17.58 | lardman|work | requesting a request |
| 16:18.05 | wpiku_ | can the on/off switch on spitz do nothing while the display is closed |
| 16:18.14 | wpiku_ | lardman|work, not really.. just prefacing my request which was coming regardless ;) |
| 16:18.26 | lardman|work | wpiku_: I know ;) |
| 16:19.39 | RP | wpiku_: I need to think about that one. Its not really the kernel's job... |
| 16:20.45 | wpiku_ | RP, oh really? maybe the light and power applet needs to sense as such |
| 16:20.55 | wpiku_ | or maybe it's more apm's job |
| 16:21.01 | wpiku_ | I thought that was all kernel integrated |
| 16:21.26 | wpiku_ | I mean I don't mind if it turns on and says to itself "oh wait, I'm not supposed to be on" and turns off again |
| 16:21.39 | wpiku_ | but my z isn't set to auto-standby even on batteries |
| 16:21.49 | RP | wpiku_: You could certainly do that in userspace... |
| 16:22.33 | lardman|work | wpiku_: why isn't it set to suspend when on batteries...? your choice? |
| 16:27.03 | wpiku_ | lardman|work, yes, I often leave the Z on, signed into aim, and idle in my pocket |
| 16:27.08 | wpiku_ | as I walk around the city |
| 16:28.56 | lardman|work | Could do with implementing profiles - I have the same thing if I want to listen to music - I'd like it to stay on until there's x% battery left, then suspend, etc. |
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| 16:50.50 | wpiku_ | lardman|work, under sharp rom, if you listen to music, sharp music player disables apm suspend |
| 16:51.00 | wpiku_ | with cacko there's a significant amount of polish and usability |
| 16:51.15 | wpiku_ | but certain things are just missing, like the ability to NEVER suspend, or to choose which programs to not suspend while running |
| 16:51.43 | wpiku_ | anyway, I just read hrw's comments about old rev socket bluetooth cards |
| 16:51.51 | wpiku_ | they used to be preferable in that they worked and newer CSR ones didn't at all |
| 16:52.03 | wpiku_ | now the CSR ones work better because if you suspen and come back on the old revs like mine |
| 16:52.05 | wpiku_ | it doesn't work |
| 16:52.18 | wpiku_ | I experienced this last night.. I'll probably just add a hack wherever needed to eject and insert the card on resume |
| 16:52.25 | wpiku_ | I might even be able to do that as part of hte apm scripts |
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| 17:12.30 | lardman|work | wpiku_: There's a QCOP call iirc which disables suspend - I presume this is available with Opie so it could be used too |
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| 17:13.45 | lardman|work | wpiku_: Not sure I'd want to completely disable suspend - though the kernel will auto suspend anyway when the battery gets really low so this would be workable |
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| 17:17.27 | reenoo_ | evening |
| 17:17.40 | lardman|work | night all |
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| 17:29.37 | wpiku_ | sdl_perl installs to the wrong place |
| 17:30.17 | wpiku_ | /usr/lib/perl5 instead of /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/ |
| 17:30.23 | wpiku_ | should I file a bug report over that? |
| 17:32.27 | wpiku_ | oh well. too late ;) |
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| 18:14.52 | AvengerMoJo | ...how can I not expend "\ " to " " in bash |
| 18:15.43 | JustinP | ' maybe? |
| 18:16.03 | wpiku_ | no.. this should do fine |
| 18:16.06 | wpiku_ | "\\ " |
| 18:16.26 | wpiku_ | although maybe JustinP is right.. who knows |
| 18:16.56 | wpiku_ | SDL_perl doesn't build a shared lib :-/ |
| 18:17.03 | AvengerMoJo | :) let me try thanks guys |
| 18:18.30 | wpiku_ | oh yeah.. I can just build gcc for arm and then build SDL_perl on the Z |
| 18:18.34 | wpiku_ | that should help me figure it out ;) |
| 18:18.40 | wpiku_ | it only has to compile one .c anyway ;) |
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| 18:28.26 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf3711571... 10/: h2200-bootloader: don't fail if mtd modules are builtin |
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| 18:36.58 | AvengerMoJo | man ... finally |
| 18:37.07 | AvengerMoJo | I get the filename converted correctly |
| 18:42.37 | raduga | wpiku: who knows? |
| 18:42.46 | raduga | JustinP knows. And what he knows, is that he is right. |
| 18:44.17 | JustinP | ah I? I was guessing |
| 18:44.20 | JustinP | ah=am |
| 18:46.52 | mithro | zecke_: ping |
| 18:54.22 | CIA-7 | 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r64e5ed95... 10/: devio: version 1.1 |
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| 19:38.38 | mithro | zecke_: ping |
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| 19:48.42 | Pigi | ciao all |
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| 19:49.20 | Pigi | koen|tv, ping |
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| 20:02.08 | koen|tv | Pigi: pong |
| 20:02.35 | Pigi | koen|tv, I was thinking about the discussion we had yesterday about hh40. |
| 20:03.01 | Pigi | I'm now trying an old image with hh40 on h3900 and everithing works. |
| 20:03.07 | koen|tv | ah, cool |
| 20:03.17 | koen|tv | I'll test it later this week on h5550 |
| 20:03.29 | Pigi | and AFAIK the usb isn't freezing |
| 20:03.40 | Pigi | ok. |
| 20:03.48 | koen|tv | hh39+ should have the 2.6 g_ether backport |
| 20:04.19 | Pigi | it doensn't seems, at least with 0.8.3 (+) |
| 20:04.37 | Pigi | but with hh39 I'm getting a lot of problems with SD and vfat |
| 20:04.57 | Pigi | that's weird |
| 20:05.13 | Pigi | I have vfat trouble on hh39 and you on hh40 :) |
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| 20:26.54 | mithro | zecke_: ping |
| 20:27.34 | woglinde | why the hell they cut the installer out of openoffice |
| 20:31.03 | koen|tv | to make it suck even more? |
| 20:31.32 | woglinde | no to ship only rpm's because the debian packages can be build with the source |
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| 20:32.00 | koen|tv | heh |
| 20:32.06 | woglinde | and the packages in unstable are really buggy with piviot tabulars |
| 20:32.06 | koen|tv | ever tried building OOo? |
| 20:32.20 | woglinde | jesus, no koen |
| 20:32.25 | koen|tv | I did |
| 20:32.43 | koen|tv | but I wasn't prepared to sell my soul and sacrifice my complete stock of goates |
| 20:32.56 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:33.08 | koen|tv | and install pdksh |
| 20:33.21 | woglinde | hm some time ago I tried to build the xserver on a rs6000 with 20 mhz |
| 20:33.22 | koen|tv | and they wonder why so little people help out.... |
| 20:33.24 | JustinP | it takes forever |
| 20:33.31 | JustinP | *forever* |
| 20:33.42 | koen|tv | 18 hours on a 100MHz sparc5 |
| 20:33.59 | woglinde | yeah thats why i loved the installer from openoffice |
| 20:34.24 | woglinde | anyway 1.1.4 is working |
| 20:34.28 | koen|tv | I removed OOo from my ubuntu install |
| 20:34.44 | koen|tv | abiword starts up a zillion times faster and handles formulas better |
| 20:35.26 | wpiku_ | raduga, I wasn't guessing though ;) |
| 20:35.45 | koen|tv | ~lart UPS for being slow |
| 20:35.52 | mreimer | heh |
| 20:35.57 | mreimer | "goes postal" at UPS |
| 20:36.29 | koen|tv | I hope it'll catch the 9 am truck |
| 20:36.36 | mreimer | koen|tv: waiting for your 770? |
| 20:36.40 | woglinde | koen waiting for the 770? |
| 20:36.41 | koen|tv | mreimer: yes |
| 20:36.46 | woglinde | mreimer *g* |
| 20:36.51 | mreimer | :-) |
| 20:37.07 | koen|tv | finally ordered it today :) |
| 20:37.14 | mreimer | koen|tv: dev? |
| 20:37.19 | koen|tv | yes |
| 20:37.40 | mreimer | where can they be ordered? |
| 20:37.54 | koen|tv | nokia webshop |
| 20:38.00 | woglinde | mreimer only with registration |
| 20:38.04 | mreimer | ah |
| 20:38.07 | koen|tv | you'll see "coming soon" |
| 20:38.40 | woglinde | zecke paid it from the university immdiatly afer becaoming the email |
| 20:39.00 | woglinde | bah my english |
| 20:39.29 | koen|tv | I had to wait a few days so I was sure I could pay the rent |
| 20:39.53 | koen|tv | downside of free lance work: irregular pay |
| 20:40.08 | woglinde | koen yes |
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| 20:43.18 | mithro | zecke_: ping |
| 21:07.18 | mithro | zecke_: ping |
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| 22:09.48 | Pigi | for those who care, on h3900 the bluetooth work like a chair with hh40, and also mmc. |
| 22:10.15 | Pigi | now it's time to sleep |
| 22:10.23 | Pigi | nite all |
| 22:17.46 | JustinP | like a chair, huh? |
| 22:18.03 | CosmicPenguin | Now thats a functional pda |
| 22:18.12 | CosmicPenguin | you don't have a spot on the bus? Just pull out a h3900 |
| 22:22.16 | mithro | chair? |
| 22:26.17 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.48 | mithro | 18M!? |
| 22:29.34 | reenoo_ | yah. the feed/packages lists handling is totally wrong |
| 22:30.35 | reenoo_ | it even parses everything just to spit out usage info (say, if you mistype a command) |
| 22:31.11 | JustinP | yeah, that sucks |
| 22:31.15 | reenoo_ | and of course keeps everything in memory |
| 22:32.31 | reenoo_ | as I understand it libipkg is leaking like there's no tomorrow as well |
| 22:33.37 | mithro | it should also store the ondisk stuff compressed |
| 22:34.06 | reenoo_ | it shouldn't store most of it at all |
| 22:35.28 | reenoo_ | build a db that contains merged packages lists on "ipkg update" and put it in /tmp |
| 22:36.04 | reenoo_ | then either use sqlite or mmap the thing |
| 22:36.55 | reenoo_ | that should speed things up quite a bit |
| 22:37.50 | reenoo_ | s:/tmp:a tmpfs: |
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| 23:11.56 | reenoo_ | 'night all |
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