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| 08:00.04 | lamikr | Hi, is the problems in handhelds.org bad? |
| 08:06.47 | koen_ | lamikr: see the topic in #handhelds.org |
| 08:07.33 | lamikr | Oh, so not a crash. Good |
| 08:10.30 | lamikr | koen: I have just been able to put up the 2.6.14-rc5 based kernel and patches that oe needs to build it. Can it still manage itself to 0.83? It has bt, OSS sound (work for alsa in progress), etc. that are missing from 2.6.12 based kernel. I also need to send another patch for h6300.conf and 2.6.12 kernels to make them use udev. |
| 08:16.22 | koen_ | I think that can go in |
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| 08:26.20 | lamikr | nice, After I will make gpe test build once handhelds.org is up and then send the patches. |
| 08:26.29 | lamikr | Need to go now. |
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| 09:46.07 | OSS542 | is it still possible to get kernel source and configs for the kernel used in OZ 3.5.3 ? |
| 09:51.28 | koen | I guess openzaurus.org should be able to tell you |
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| 10:03.42 | OSS542 | koen: openzaurus.org instructions are unfortunately no longer current |
| 10:03.59 | OSS542 | for this particular purpose |
| 10:04.09 | OSS542 | require old bitbake |
| 10:04.45 | OSS542 | and openembedded.org (to which the instructions refer) is down |
| 10:10.11 | koen | there should be an OE snapshot in the download section |
| 10:11.20 | OSS542 | of openzaurus.org ? |
| 10:11.52 | OSS542 | I'll have a look there |
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| 10:34.58 | reenoo | morning |
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| 11:48.29 | mithro | zecke: ping! |
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| 12:03.17 | mickeyl | hi guys |
| 12:04.04 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 12:04.12 | koen | how's your 770? |
| 12:04.18 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 12:04.22 | mickeyl | ~curse DPD |
| 12:04.23 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DPD ! |
| 12:04.30 | mickeyl | didn't get it yet |
| 12:05.06 | RP | hi mickeyl |
| 12:05.11 | mickeyl | looks like it's waiitng in a storage hall in Duisburg (GER) for someone to ship it to Frankfurt/M |
| 12:05.13 | mickeyl | hi richard |
| 12:05.37 | koen | which of course gets shipped to Frankfurt/O |
| 12:05.43 | mickeyl | heh, please not :) |
| 12:05.53 | mickeyl | how's yours? |
| 12:06.02 | koen | pure sweetness |
| 12:06.16 | koen | but anything that runs scummvm qualifies for that :) |
| 12:08.42 | mithro | 770? |
| 12:09.14 | RP | mickeyl: For reference, we have a problem with 2.6 on Akita. Akita contains a different flash chip which 2.6 kernels don't work with :-( |
| 12:09.25 | koen | mithro: http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/support/770 |
| 12:13.46 | mickeyl | RP: yeah got that from the logs. pretty unpleasant. did you have a chance to look at the diff between the spitz and akita sharpsl code yet? |
| 12:14.38 | RP | mickeyl: Yes. I've also had someone try some patches. I haven't got it working :-( |
| 12:16.21 | mithro | koen: any good? |
| 12:16.42 | koen | mithro: I'd almost say it's the perfect linux device |
| 12:16.58 | koen | with more ram and a faster cpu it would be perfect |
| 12:17.09 | RP | Its cpu is slow :-/ |
| 12:17.19 | metasoup_ | hello all |
| 12:17.34 | RP | hi metasoup_ |
| 12:17.51 | metasoup_ | hello! just flashed my 5500 a few days ago |
| 12:18.01 | metasoup_ | and pivot_rooted it with rboot yesterday |
| 12:18.08 | mithro | koen: battery life is a bit short |
| 12:18.13 | mithro | and no USB host support |
| 12:18.29 | metasoup_ | what file do I have to leave on the /media/realroot/ fs ? |
| 12:18.41 | RP | mithro: No USB host support? That doesn't sound right... |
| 12:19.12 | mithro | USB device mode for PC connectivity |
| 12:19.24 | mithro | no mention of USB host mode for device connectivity |
| 12:19.26 | metasoup_ | etc / rboot.conf, init maybe |
| 12:19.33 | koen | mithro: that's 3 hours with continuous wlan |
| 12:19.35 | RP | I'm "fairly sure" it can do both ;-) |
| 12:19.44 | metasoup_ | anyone has done this before ? |
| 12:19.45 | koen | I used it all day yesterday without recharging |
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| 12:19.58 | koen | this morning the battery was at 75% |
| 12:20.20 | mithro | koen: i want 8 hours with continuous wlan :P |
| 12:20.31 | mithro | somebody needs to invent a better battery |
| 12:20.48 | mithro | i wonder why no a as well |
| 12:20.51 | koen | when I need battery I'll use gprs anyway |
| 12:21.03 | mithro | s/a/802.11a |
| 12:21.09 | mithro | anyway i have to go to lunch |
| 12:21.11 | mithro | see ya people! |
| 12:21.23 | metasoup_ | bye |
| 12:21.28 | RP | mithro: cya |
| 12:22.16 | metasoup_ | RP, is it the right place to ask some advices about rboot ? |
| 12:23.07 | mickeyl | the rboot experts are on openzaurus-devel@lists.sf.net |
| 12:23.18 | mickeyl | or on #openzaurus (unlikely) |
| 12:23.38 | metasoup_ | ok, thx, I'll walk around there... |
| 12:23.59 | metasoup_ | if I don't get stick with summvm before :) |
| 12:24.07 | metasoup_ | s/stick/stuck/ |
| 12:26.34 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:26.41 | mickeyl | Does it run 'The Dig' yet? |
| 12:26.54 | mickeyl | or was that another eninge? |
| 12:26.56 | mickeyl | engine, even |
| 12:27.01 | metasoup_ | huh, I am not sure |
| 12:27.05 | metasoup_ | let me check |
| 12:27.41 | koen | dig runs in scummvm too |
| 12:30.42 | metasoup_ | If you say so, I had the remebering it was still under porting... happy to hear it :) |
| 12:30.55 | metasoup_ | is Gobliiins ported ? |
| 12:31.31 | metasoup_ | (oops, probabaly said sthg stupid -- is it running with scummvm ???) |
| 12:32.47 | metasoup_ | I have "the Day Of the tentacle", "Indy 4" and "Sam & Max" making me happy during my pauses at work |
| 12:34.03 | tschamm | like said here gobliiins is aviable for scummvm: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScummVM |
| 12:34.48 | metasoup_ | cool |
| 12:35.11 | metasoup_ | and it is freely downloadable from a frech abandonware site |
| 12:35.19 | metasoup_ | s/frech/french/ |
| 12:35.28 | tschamm | no idea |
| 12:35.57 | metasoup_ | I have seen it a few weeks ago |
| 12:36.24 | metasoup_ | http://www.abandonware-france.org/ |
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| 12:46.05 | mithro | yay for free wireless! |
| 12:46.25 | metasoup_ | yay |
| 12:47.01 | metasoup_ | is it a "shouting at the stars" ??? |
| 12:47.15 | metasoup_ | a card to give ? |
| 12:47.23 | mithro | why hasn't someone invented the better battery yet? |
| 12:47.52 | metasoup_ | why didn't invented also a replacement to gas |
| 12:48.12 | metasoup_ | my battery last for a very few hours |
| 12:48.15 | mithro | i think we should turn batteries into IC's then we could exploit Moores law in battery capacity :P |
| 12:48.48 | mithro | to bad it's not that simple |
| 12:49.13 | metasoup_ | BTW, is it possible to buy new zaurus 5500 batteries somewhere ? |
| 12:49.20 | metasoup_ | mine looks like very old |
| 12:50.09 | metasoup_ | Asimov was far far away from now when he was talking about micro-nuclear unlimited batteries |
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| 12:51.49 | mithro | there is no real reason why you couldn't have micro-nuclear devices - the problem is that they would be heavy |
| 12:52.10 | mithro | as nuclear fission requires heavy elements |
| 12:52.22 | mithro | now micro-fusion devices would kick ass :P |
| 12:52.30 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:52.39 | metasoup_ | huh__ burn ass ;) |
| 12:53.15 | mithro | how much power does a single fusion event put out? |
| 12:53.33 | mithro | (ie one H+H -> He?) |
| 12:54.11 | metasoup_ | I already have many electricity replacements at home - fotocalorics panels (is it a correct english ?) |
| 12:54.21 | metasoup_ | preparing heat pumps |
| 12:54.34 | mithro | fotocalorics? your mean solar panels? |
| 12:54.41 | metasoup_ | Here in belgium we have subsidies for alternate energies |
| 12:54.59 | metasoup_ | yes, but taking the heat, not transforming it into electricity |
| 12:55.13 | metasoup_ | it is much more efficient for warming water |
| 12:55.14 | mithro | ahh for heating water and such? |
| 12:55.37 | mithro | not a practial portable electronic source however :P |
| 12:55.45 | metasoup_ | yes: we don't use any fuel anymore for our showers and domestic water |
| 12:55.50 | metasoup_ | not yet ;) |
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| 12:56.12 | mithro | memeruiz: well it will never be practial by it'self |
| 12:56.25 | mithro | you need something to store the energy so the device still works while it's dark |
| 12:57.05 | mithro | memeruiz: how do you keep the water hot at 4am in the morning? |
| 12:57.13 | metasoup_ | during the winter it works at 40 to 60 % |
| 12:57.36 | metasoup_ | the tank is well isolated so we have 300 liters kept warms for about two or three days |
| 12:57.46 | metasoup_ | the newly isolated tanks are very ggod |
| 12:57.53 | mithro | how hot is warm? |
| 12:57.59 | mithro | 30C? 60C? 80C? |
| 12:58.33 | metasoup_ | (did my mesage go trough ?) |
| 12:58.43 | metasoup_ | it can go up to 90C in the summer |
| 12:58.59 | metasoup_ | and 50 during the winter |
| 12:59.24 | metasoup_ | even when the sky is grey and cloudy |
| 13:00.08 | mithro | the next question is how much did it cost in terms of production costs? |
| 13:00.31 | mithro | it if produced more C02 emissions during the production then it will ever save then that is bad :P |
| 13:00.44 | metasoup_ | 2000 euros for the production cost |
| 13:01.09 | metasoup_ | but these solar panels are made of plastic and sort of iron |
| 13:01.32 | mithro | plastic and steal creation are very expensive processes |
| 13:02.19 | metasoup_ | surely less than burning many years of gasoil for your shower ! |
| 13:03.11 | mithro | the new instant hot water systems are pretty efficent |
| 13:03.19 | metasoup_ | the solar electric panels are very bad for the environment |
| 13:03.20 | mithro | they only heat water as you use it |
| 13:03.59 | mithro | yeah, solar electric panels are at the moment about 4 times worse for the enviroment then using dirty coal |
| 13:04.41 | mithro | when you take into account all the emissions required to both make then and then destory them at the end of there lifetime |
| 13:04.57 | metasoup_ | the gouvernment is giving nearly half the price here in Belgium for this equipment (photo-caloric, not photo-voltaic, which are VERY diffenret), the made big studies before financing it here |
| 13:05.24 | metasoup_ | yes, for the electrical devices |
| 13:05.38 | mithro | most "sofa" enviromentalists forget the upfront cost of creating things |
| 13:05.53 | metasoup_ | those who only take the sun are 'green' in comparison |
| 13:05.57 | metasoup_ | mithro, I agree |
| 13:06.33 | metasoup_ | My zaurus and my four computers tell me this every day :{ |
| 13:06.45 | metasoup_ | but these panels are very good |
| 13:07.11 | mithro | sun heat -> heat water seems pretty good |
| 13:07.13 | mithro | not a lot of parts required either |
| 13:07.37 | metasoup_ | yes, it is only tubes and sheets of metal in a black plastic box |
| 13:07.59 | metasoup_ | with a small sysetm to take the heat or cut the exchange when it too cold outside |
| 13:07.59 | mithro | plus a lot of insulation |
| 13:08.19 | metasoup_ | it works even with clouds |
| 13:08.40 | mithro | insulation is most probably the best way to cut the homes carbon emissions |
| 13:08.55 | metasoup_ | surely, and the next step: install the heat pump |
| 13:09.15 | mithro | many places heat pumps arn't very good |
| 13:09.20 | metasoup_ | nearly same system as a fridge |
| 13:09.23 | mithro | ie when the temperature difference is considerable |
| 13:09.35 | metasoup_ | but in much bigger :) |
| 13:09.50 | metasoup_ | it acts in both ways: warming and cooling |
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| 13:10.29 | mithro | metasoup_: in Australia when it's 45C outside and 22C inside heat pumps are extremly inefficent |
| 13:10.48 | mithro | same with like Moscow with outside -15C and inside +22C |
| 13:10.58 | metasoup_ | if you have a source, or a pound, it is perfect as the water exchanges the heat much more |
| 13:11.03 | metasoup_ | I agree :) |
| 13:11.44 | metasoup_ | I make some gospel for those who can be saved :P |
| 13:13.08 | mithro | welp, i have finished lunch |
| 13:13.30 | metasoup_ | I'll have some tea, brb |
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| 13:38.42 | OSS542 | OpenEmbedded.org is down ? |
| 13:39.30 | RP | OSS542: handhelds.org is being moved and it serves oe.org if I remember rightly |
| 13:40.48 | OSS542 | I see... many thanks...:-) |
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| 14:29.38 | Noodles | Ah. That explains why I can't get to handhelds.org. :) |
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| 14:30.51 | koen | it should be up again at 22:00 EST |
| 14:31.00 | koen | which is ±12 hours from now |
| 14:31.15 | Noodles | I'll be in bed by then, I hope. :) |
| 14:34.04 | zecke_ | koen: I'm currently abusing ewi |
| 14:34.25 | koen | zecke: sure, go ahead |
| 14:34.38 | koen | zecke_: I think mithro was looking for you |
| 14:34.55 | zecke_ | koen: yeah I need to tell him how setting up the server went |
| 14:38.43 | koen | zecke_: how was your hacking session? |
| 14:39.21 | zecke_ | lousy ;) |
| 14:39.36 | zecke_ | koen: I got distracted by Java |
| 14:41.48 | reenoo | heh |
| 14:42.29 | zecke_ | reenoo:http://db.apache.org/ojb/ <- sounds pretty cool |
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| 15:11.20 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r30a86070... 10/: ixp4xx: Bumped PR to make it rebuild due to kernel version change |
| 15:11.25 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r435eda25... 10/: ixp425-eth: Bumped PR to make it rebuild due to kernel version change |
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| 17:41.46 | lardman | XorA: ping |
| 17:42.31 | lardman | mickeyl|cinema: Could you add some md5sums to the RC download dirs when you get back please? |
| 17:48.33 | lardman | night |
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| 17:57.16 | CIA-7 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rd51beddf... 10/: set NETCONSOLE to m instead of y |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-7 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r4350e5b1... 10/: |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-7 | openslug defconfig: changed settings to support wider range of hardware |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-7 | * CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m (for audio extraction from cdrom) |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-7 | * CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=m (for audio extraction from cdrom) |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-7 | * CONFIG_USB_PWC=m (module for Philips and Logitech Webcams) |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-7 | * CONFIG_USB_EHCI_SPLIT_ISO=y (support USB 1.1 devices on USB 2.0 hubs) |
| 17:57.23 | CIA-7 | * CONFIG_CPU_BIG_ENDIAN=y (should be the default until LE is more mature) |
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| 18:45.13 | zecke_ | some TeX expert around? |
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| 18:51.26 | CIA-7 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r56b3ed4e... 10/: bumped PRCONFIG since I modified defconfig |
| 18:51.30 | CIA-7 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rc39d6bcb... 10/: Been told that I should also bump PR for ixp when I bump PR_CONFIG in the {nslu2, openslug} bb files; so here it is... (better safe than sorry) |
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| 19:07.07 | niklash | zecke_, I've been using LaTeX quite a lot. |
| 19:07.24 | zecke_ | niklash: I want to renew the maketitle command |
| 19:07.45 | zecke_ | e.g I want to use \@author in my new title but this does not work... |
| 19:08.43 | niklash | Do you want a new title page, or what? |
| 19:09.13 | zecke_ | niklash: yes, I could not use maketitle, but I want to learn TeX ;) |
| 19:09.21 | niklash | Or update what goes in page headers? |
| 19:09.40 | zecke_ | a complete new title page |
| 19:09.57 | niklash | I've never done that. |
| 19:10.23 | niklash | I guess you could always cheat and just do a page with that look manually. |
| 19:10.39 | niklash | What happens if you do a new \maketitle? |
| 19:10.58 | zecke_ | You can't use `\spacefactor' in vertical mode. |
| 19:11.51 | niklash | Never used \spacefactor either. |
| 19:12.03 | zecke_ | niklash: I have not used it :( |
| 19:12.18 | zecke_ | just entered a \@author |
| 19:12.20 | niklash | What I meant with cheat is basically \newpage\hspace{3cm}\begin{center}... |
| 19:12.56 | niklash | s/hspace/vspace/ |
| 19:13.36 | zecke_ | niklash: I could, but I want to create by 'assignment' documentclass |
| 19:13.56 | niklash | ? |
| 19:14.17 | zecke_ | niklash: cya later, my food arrived |
| 19:14.44 | niklash | I. I need to do some cooking here too. (Have to work for it :) |
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| 19:34.15 | mithro | zecke_: ping |
| 19:34.26 | mithro | zecke_: i ended up doing a release |
| 19:39.06 | zecke_ | mithro: hey |
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| 19:56.27 | pb_ | hi zecke_, zecke__ |
| 20:05.52 | zecke_ | pb_: hi |
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| 20:54.02 | RP | What mp3 players does OE have that will run well on an arm pxa and have native alsa support? |
| 20:54.28 | woglinde | hm opieplayer? *ducks and hide* |
| 20:56.13 | RP | That has alsa support? |
| 20:56.41 | woglinde | hm xine backend, so maybee it has alsa supoort |
| 20:57.23 | zecke | woglinde: he asked for something running good.. |
| 20:57.57 | woglinde | zecke look at my "duck and hide" |
| 20:58.06 | RP | I want to test my sound driver so I really need a player that's known to work :-/ |
| 20:58.47 | koen | madplay |
| 20:59.57 | RP | I normally use madplay. Its OSS based though... |
| 21:00.25 | koen | madplay has had alsa support for over a year now |
| 21:00.26 | RP | and doesn't work with my driver with OSS emulation :-/ |
| 21:01.29 | RP | I wonder how old my ipk is... |
| 21:01.33 | koen | --with-alsa seem to be what you need to build it with alsa |
| 21:02.50 | RP | aha. I'll try that, thanks |
| 21:03.01 | RP | I just assumed it was oss only... |
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