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| 02:23.07 | kergoth | erm, is hh down? |
| 02:30.56 | JustinP | it's still down? |
| 02:30.57 | JustinP | yikes |
| 02:31.09 | JustinP | it's "moving" |
| 02:32.07 | kergoth | didnt realize it was down. subscribed to transgaming to get cedega, but with my hh address out of commission, i cant get the password to the account. |
| 02:32.10 | kergoth | :\ |
| 02:33.39 | chouimat|laptop | cool a new tropical storm ... Alpha |
| 02:36.13 | JustinP | that sucks |
| 02:36.23 | JustinP | Alpha is out? :-| |
| 02:37.14 | chouimat|laptop | yup |
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| 03:42.15 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 03:43.24 | AvengerMoJo | hi :) who is working on the EFL? |
| 03:46.13 | JustinP | me....why? |
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| 04:12.37 | france | ftp, cvs, e-mail, mailman, and archives appear to be working, minor permission gliches in http (fxing) |
| 04:17.50 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:19.30 | france | some users may have some issues, as there service provider has not updates their dns records |
| 04:19.53 | france | I suspect those users will not be able to reach hh.org until monday morning worst case |
| 04:20.10 | france | please see the front page of hh.org for news. |
| 04:22.17 | kergoth | ~praise france |
| 04:22.24 | ibot | All hail france! |
| 04:23.15 | france | kergoth: thanks |
| 04:29.41 | ggilbert | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.58 | france | excuse you |
| 04:29.59 | ggilbert | nothing like writing a nice long CYA report to ruin a saturday night |
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| 05:41.48 | uv1 | Good morning ... |
| 05:44.39 | uv1 | Any idea, what happend with www.handhelds.org ? |
| 05:47.51 | ggilbert | isp problems, I think |
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| 09:34.32 | alan|home | morning !! |
| 09:38.54 | pb_ | alan|home: indeed it is. |
| 09:39.02 | pb_ | no need to sound so surprised, though; it happens every day at about this time |
| 09:42.03 | alan|home | pb_: i'm not surpised, i'm happy. |
| 09:45.42 | pb_ | aha. |
| 09:46.40 | alan|home | pb_: it is really interesting to use a home made version, and it's also really easy thanks to bitbake. But i'm not a dev, so sometimes i feel lost... |
| 09:47.07 | alan|home | so a new official release is definitely good news |
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| 09:48.26 | pb_ | indeed. all hail releasemaster mickeyl! |
| 09:48.36 | alan|home | ^^ |
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| 10:07.01 | alan|home | is OE website down ? |
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| 10:10.48 | zecke | alan|home: what do you think? |
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| 10:11.42 | alan|home | stupid dns... |
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| 11:27.02 | reenoo_ | morning |
| 11:28.19 | pH5 | morning reenoo_ |
| 11:32.21 | reenoo_ | hi pH5 |
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| 12:12.54 | pb_ | hi reenoo_ |
| 12:13.42 | reenoo_ | hey pb_ |
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| 12:43.00 | zecke_ | reenoo_: If you talk about trust, personally I trust treke, but generally oesources.org is not as trustworthy as it should be to replace upstream sources |
| 12:43.16 | zecke_ | reenoo_: and for now, a not buildable bitbake file |
| 12:43.26 | zecke_ | reenoo_: should either be removed, or should be updatet to be buildable |
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| 12:48.59 | reenoo_ | zecke_: like I said in #gpe already updating is not an option if you want to deal with this |
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| 12:49.43 | reenoo_ | <flood> |
| 12:49.45 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> we've had serious regressions because of this nonsense (mtd-utils |
| 12:49.45 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.45 | reenoo_ | 02:34PM <zecke> reenoo: If I can not build a package because the sources are |
| 12:49.45 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.45 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> sure |
| 12:49.57 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> an issue that needs a different solution |
| 12:49.57 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> blindly updating packages is not an option |
| 12:49.57 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> packages should be updated if and only if the maintainer wants to. |
| 12:49.57 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.57 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.10 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> currently bitbake/OE doesn't manage sources at all. *that* needs to |
| 12:50.10 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.10 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> and while we're at it... ideally I'd want to ditch monotone (or any |
| 12:50.10 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.10 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.10 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> similar to how conary works |
| 12:50.22 | reenoo_ | <reenoo> zecke_: let's wait for the hh.org e-mail situation to improve and |
| 12:50.22 | reenoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.40 | reenoo_ | </flood> |
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| 12:50.56 | zecke_ | well let us wait, and this is a nice goal |
| 12:51.14 | zecke_ | BUT files are broken now. Companies using bitbake/OE now to build their distribution have broken builds |
| 12:51.41 | zecke_ | that gives a bad impression, and saying we will have a proper infrastructure within two years is not the answer! |
| 12:52.18 | zecke_ | if location of the source changes, and it is really the same source (md5sum, signature... match) it can not be bad to update the SRC_URI |
| 12:52.25 | zecke_ | alternatively remove the bitbake files |
| 12:53.26 | reenoo_ | if you *want to* worry about corporate use of bitbake/OE you'd have to fix the monotone nonsense first. and that's not going to happen anytime soon either. for now I'd just not worry about missing sources |
| 12:53.50 | reenoo_ | if it turns out to be a problem to anyone they can fix it |
| 12:54.06 | zecke_ | reenoo_: sorry, I can only think of 'idiot' as an answer |
| 12:54.19 | zecke_ | reenoo_: you can use rsync, wget to get an up to date OE tree |
| 12:54.33 | zecke_ | reenoo_: and that is one way to get n bitbake files |
| 12:54.52 | zecke_ | reenoo_: for finding sources manually you need much more effort to find the upstream source |
| 12:55.32 | zecke_ | reenoo_: If you can not find a replacement for monotone - that bothers you so much |
| 12:55.48 | zecke_ | reenoo_: how should you ever implement such an architecture? |
| 12:56.06 | zecke_ | reenoo_: and please reiterate the issues you had with mtd |
| 12:56.20 | zecke_ | as I'm not aware of them |
| 12:56.35 | reenoo_ | personally I don't mind monotone that much anymore |
| 12:56.44 | reenoo_ | I was talking about corporate use |
| 12:57.34 | zecke_ | reenoo_: well monotone is not an issue for at least two corporates I know |
| 12:58.21 | zecke_ | reenoo_: but it is ridicoulous to say, you may not fix an issue, because another issue is not fixed the way I want it to be fixed |
| 12:58.58 | reenoo_ | well. nevermind |
| 12:59.04 | zecke_ | reenoo_: And I could say I do not care if Gtk bits can not be build |
| 12:59.10 | reenoo_ | if you think of me as an idiot then so be it |
| 12:59.47 | zecke_ | damn |
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| 13:40.49 | mithro | zecke: ping |
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| 13:51.52 | pb_ | zecke: regarding what renoo said, the monotone thing has pretty much caused my corporation to abandon OE. |
| 13:52.09 | pb_ | I suppose it was reenoo who said that, actually |
| 13:58.34 | mithro | pb_: the fact that monotone sucks? |
| 13:58.38 | mithro | or that it's always done? |
| 13:58.40 | mithro | or? |
| 14:00.37 | zecke | pb_: interesting |
| 14:01.36 | zecke | pb_: my issue with the statement was that the monotone issue had nothing to do with non buildable bb files |
| 14:02.08 | zecke | pb_: monotone itself, or the speed? did you hold a bitkeeper license earlier? |
| 14:09.51 | pb_ | zecke: yeah, I agree that the non-buildable .bb thing is unrelated. I only mentioned the monotone business for your interest. |
| 14:10.48 | pb_ | the speed is certainly a big part of it, but it's not the only issue. The general perception that monotone seems to be flaky, and having to upgrade the client software when the servers are upgraded, didn't help either. |
| 14:15.48 | mithro | so we need to move to a better SCM? |
| 14:16.16 | pb_ | well, no, not necessarily. I understand the reasons why OE is using monotone. |
| 14:17.11 | pb_ | clearly monotone does work well enough for many people. It doesn't happen to work well enough for us, at least not at the moment, but that isn't really OE's problem. |
| 14:18.37 | zecke | pb_: the beginning of monotone was unfortunate |
| 14:18.56 | mithro | Mercurial is suppose to be pretty good :P |
| 14:19.15 | mithro | from the Kongress i found that Monotone was a huge hurtle for many people |
| 14:19.23 | koen | mithro: good enough to get shutdown by larry |
| 14:19.51 | koen | mithro: anything that isn't either cvs or http is a big hurtle |
| 14:20.24 | mithro | koen: but the speed problem |
| 14:20.47 | mithro | doing a checkout from scratch takes days |
| 14:21.03 | koen | for me monotone is faster as bk since it doesn't do a consistency check |
| 14:21.13 | koen | but for 99.9% of the people it's just too slow |
| 14:21.45 | mithro | koen: why doesn't your monotone do consistency checks? |
| 14:21.59 | koen | it doesn't really have too |
| 14:22.11 | koen | since everything is in a .db with hashes and so on |
| 14:22.25 | koen | s/too/to/ |
| 14:22.37 | koen | bk checked all files on disk |
| 14:22.49 | koen | which is sloooooow on my crappy disks |
| 14:22.52 | mithro | an initial bk check took under 1 hour |
| 14:23.12 | zecke | pb_: OT: how is recieva doing? Are you considering doing DAB/DMB or DVB as well? |
| 14:23.40 | pb_ | zecke: we consider everything |
| 14:23.53 | mithro | DAB/DMB? |
| 14:24.03 | zecke | mithro: Digital Audio Broadcasting |
| 14:24.03 | pb_ | everything |
| 14:24.14 | zecke | mithro: and on top of that Digital Media Broadcasting |
| 14:25.40 | mithro | arg... my sinuses are full of crap :/ |
| 14:26.16 | pb_ | sounds like you need to get your head out of... mm, no, forget that |
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| 14:27.01 | pb_ | heh |
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| 14:34.59 | immolo | hello, I've been having touchscreen issues with a fam083 I've been trying to create I've added support for the blueangel into the tslib configs but now it just segfaults when I load X, any ideas? |
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| 15:15.21 | chouimat|laptop | morning |
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| 15:25.08 | zecke | re |
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| 16:00.47 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 16:14.03 | marvin24 | hi all |
| 16:14.21 | marvin24 | I received my 770 last week and I like to work on oe support |
| 16:14.31 | marvin24 | anything I can do? |
| 16:14.36 | marvin24 | (beginner level) |
| 16:14.54 | marvin24 | is there a todo list? |
| 16:15.11 | koen | get the kernel source :) |
| 16:15.23 | marvin24 | I know, that they are not published yet |
| 16:15.38 | marvin24 | but there seems to be some basic support in oe |
| 16:16.07 | koen | yes, we have a machine definition and most maemo packages |
| 16:16.42 | marvin24 | I will try to compile it and see what I get |
| 16:16.50 | koen | next week when the new developer rootstrap gets published we'll need to update some bits |
| 16:17.32 | marvin24 | that's fine |
| 16:17.47 | marvin24 | in the mean time I will try to get familar with the build system |
| 16:24.52 | alan|home | is there a new dir in the branch for oz 3.5.4 rc ? (if so, i'll update mine, otherwise, i'll wait for an official feed...) |
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| 16:42.27 | marvin24 | mmmh |
| 16:42.35 | marvin24 | openembedded.org is down |
| 16:42.51 | marvin24 | oe.handhelds.org does not exist |
| 16:43.00 | marvin24 | any mirror out there? |
| 16:43.18 | marvin24 | (or valid ip address) |
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| 17:39.41 | hrw | hi all |
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| 18:16.16 | france | marvin24: as i run out the door for lunch |
| 18:16.37 | france | marcan: your dns providor has not yet propigate the new dns entries |
| 18:16.52 | france | marvin24: your dns providor has not yet propigate the new dns entries |
| 18:17.13 | france | marvin24: add 128.31.0.25 handhelds.org www.handhelds.org ftp.handhelds.org to your /etc/hosts file |
| 18:17.46 | france | marvin24: as a temp fix, remove it in a few days |
| 18:17.48 | france | bye bye |
| 18:19.45 | hrw | hi koen |
| 18:21.27 | hrw | afk |
| 18:23.54 | koen | hey hrw |
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| 20:49.04 | Pigi | Ciao all |
| 20:52.25 | alan|home | bye bye |
| 20:59.44 | pb_ | hi pigi |
| 21:02.20 | Pigi | hi pb_. How are you going ? |
| 21:02.48 | woglinde | hi pb |
| 21:11.38 | Pigi | bbl |
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| 21:45.21 | Delta_ | hei hei |
| 21:47.56 | Delta_ | can anyone help me with this bitbake error? |
| 21:47.59 | Delta_ | http://pastebin.ca/26412 |
| 21:48.26 | woglinde | hm has someone else got his 770? |
| 21:50.06 | woglinde | delta can you try the svn version of bitbake? |
| 22:00.00 | Delta_ | I installed it in gentoo.. gentoo automatically gets the svn version.. |
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| 22:00.19 | woglinde | hm |
| 22:00.28 | woglinde | when did you install? |
| 22:00.28 | Delta_ | "svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/trunk/bitbake" |
| 22:00.40 | Delta_ | today :) |
| 22:01.39 | koen | could you try removing the cache? |
| 22:01.50 | woglinde | hi koen |
| 22:01.51 | koen | rm -rf tmp/cache |
| 22:01.55 | koen | hey woglinde |
| 22:02.01 | woglinde | koen do you have your 770 now? |
| 22:02.07 | Delta_ | I try that.. |
| 22:02.19 | koen | woglinde: since friday :) |
| 22:02.29 | Delta_ | can it be something about me using python 2.4.2 ? |
| 22:03.05 | woglinde | *g* and installed the xdelta patch for became root? |
| 22:03.46 | koen | woglinde: of course :) |
| 22:03.54 | woglinde | damnit only windowsflash program |
| 22:04.03 | koen | and a xterm + dropbear + irssi + gpe |
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| 22:04.46 | Delta_ | where did www.openembedded.org go? |
| 22:05.03 | woglinde | 128.31.0.25 |
| 22:08.09 | Delta_ | it's not really reacheable.. |
| 22:09.26 | woglinde | hm??? |
| 22:09.44 | woglinde | put the following in your /etc/host |
| 22:09.54 | woglinde | 128.31.0.25 handhelds.org www.handhelds.org ftp.handhelds.org cvs.handhelds.org |
| 22:11.48 | Delta_ | I tried http://128.31.0.25 |
| 22:12.52 | Delta_ | traceroute stops here: 11 trantor.kalgan.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.246) 131.882 ms 130.766 ms |
| 22:13.43 | woglinde | for me its working |
| 22:14.35 | Delta_ | where are you? |
| 22:15.01 | woglinde | in germany |
| 22:15.55 | Delta_ | I am too.. |
| 22:16.14 | woglinde | the last hop should be trantor.haven.csail.mit.edu (128.30.0.254) |
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| 22:18.50 | Delta_ | ha, my fault.. |
| 22:19.02 | Delta_ | firefox doesn't open the ip.. it still tries to resolve.. |
| 22:19.07 | Delta_ | now I have it in hosts and it works.. |
| 22:19.14 | Delta_ | but it's still strange.. |
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| 22:39.11 | woglinde | night all |
| 23:13.27 | Delta_ | bubu |
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