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00:01.47gb2holy crap.  i should have drainoed that sink months ago.  it's like 100 times faster now
00:01.57pb_gb2: heh
00:02.22pb_oris_wolfbane: what's the actual issue?  pastebin.ca URLs are no use; that site doesn't work.
00:03.01kergoththat link worked fine here
00:03.02kergothheh
00:03.54oris_wolfbanepb_, ive just get everything set up as detailed on the wiki, and when i try to run bitbake i get the error "TypeError: pkgdata() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
00:03.54oris_wolfbane"
00:03.59pb_ah, did they fix their broken dns?  that's cool.
00:04.29oris_wolfbanenah, you can get to it from oe.handhelds.org
00:04.47kergothhe isnt talking about oe's site, he's talking about pastebin.ca
00:04.58pb_yeah
00:05.13pb_it certainly used to be the case that pastebin.ca had an AAAA record pointing to a duff address.
00:05.27pb_so, if you had IPv6 turned on, the site was effectively unreachable
00:05.42kergothah
00:05.50oris_wolfbaneoops, my mistake
00:06.02pb_but, it does look like they've fixed that now.  so, rock.
00:09.09pb_sadly, though, I have no idea about your pkgdata() problem.  I guess that überhacker mickeyl and/or überhacker zecke would be your resource for that kind of thing.
00:12.19oris_wolfbanepb_, ok, thanks for trying
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08:01.13RPmorning all
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08:06.17ggilbertRP.
08:06.30alan|laptophi
08:07.02ggilbertis it a bad sign when you have a 150gig folder named "foo"
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08:30.32ggilbertnow to figure out what I can do with 102gb of /storage/oe/source
08:33.46ggilbertmaybe I should take donations for a hard drive :p
08:37.17koenggilbert: why stop at one?
08:37.42koenthe 'foo' folder should be allowed to grow to 1TB ;)
08:38.23ggilbertkoen: hehe
08:38.43ggilbertkoen: well foo I worked under this assumtion
08:38.43ggilbertassumption
08:38.52ggilbert"it looks like my various crap. i didnt know it's been sitting there for 6 months. I can delete it"
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08:39.43ggilbertI could look through it carefully, but frankly I probably will never need any of it
08:39.57ggilbertthe source folder needs a bit more selective cleaning
08:39.59ggilbertif any
08:41.15alan|laptopis there anyone using a wpa_psk wfi connection here ?
08:46.55XorAmorning
08:47.14dunkymorning
08:58.27RPmorning XorA
08:59.23XorAhey RP, just making me a new git3 :-D
09:08.37RPXorA: Its the best alsa sound yet :)
09:24.28hrw|workmorning
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09:26.36XorAhrw|work: morning
09:26.45RPhi hrw|work
09:27.03XorAwoo woo, we have booting
09:27.37RPXorA: You sound surprised? :)
09:28.00XorARP: nah, I trust you, just suffered all night waiting for my dead Z
09:28.15hrw|workI had to remove ccache to get git3-r2 built
09:28.46XorAhrw|work: you interested in resurecting X/qt?
09:28.53RPXorA: Always keep a backup of your last known good kernel. I know this all too well ;-)
09:29.00hrw|workOT: my router each time when I login give me info 'how to make white russian drink'
09:29.13hrw|workXorA: no - just asked because of one thread on opie-devel
09:29.21XorARP: I did have, but I ran out of time yesterday, since I became IT manager, I nicked a machine in work to build on
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09:30.27dunky(MACHINE = "spitz" | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4" | KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6")
09:30.39XorAhrw|work: a pity, because I think changes are probably quite simple, I did 1st two then got stuck with the unicode in the keyboard handling as the QTe OZ uses has that block of functions left out for size reasons, sharp ROM has them in, and I couldnt find good enough docs to work out what to change
09:30.40dunkycan spitz mount a hd device?
09:30.58XorAhrw|work: after spending 3 days trying to learn QT I quit in disgust
09:32.29hrw|workah.
09:32.37hrw|worksomeone heard about MapFS?
09:33.30dunkyhrw:never,what it is?
09:33.38hrw|workhttp://www.levanta.com/mapfs/ - is it looks like other unionfs?
09:37.07koenlooks like unionfs
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09:46.55RPmorning mickeyl
09:47.21RPmickeyl: All that TV must have been bad for your eyes! :)
09:48.31hrw|workhi mithro
09:49.27hrw|workRP: it was 'how to write Ph.D.' programme
09:49.49mickeylheh
09:49.51mickeylmorning guys
09:51.03mickeylkoen: :D
09:51.37koenhey mickeyl
09:52.41XorAkoen: your turning into the local gimp :-)
09:52.49koenheh
09:53.39mickeyllatex-beamer rocks. My next presentation will be written in LaTeX instead of PowerPoint.
09:54.12koenIt seems I'll do a 'mickeyl' on gulev
09:55.04RPnot to be confused with giving a presentation in latex :-/
09:55.05koens5 looks pretty good too
09:55.49XorARP: that might go down well at some conferences :-)
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10:02.26RPdo13[offline]: ping
10:04.58RPSeveral patches in rmk's system or on LKML are going to conflict with ones I have in various stages of submission :-/
10:07.01XorARP: time to get in first then :-D
10:08.16hrw|worksomeone built x86/uclibc with OE?
10:08.31mickeylages ago
10:09.44hrw|workI cannot get gcc-cross-initial 3.4.2
10:09.47hrw|work3.4.4
10:10.03alan|laptophrw|work: you are plaing with an X86 build ?
10:10.38hrw|workalan|laptop: I want to build rescue distro for own usage
10:11.44alan|laptopok. I will try to build one for educationnal purpose : tes
10:12.20alan|laptoptext processing + Net in schools on light hardware config.
10:21.21v8jleneHi. To get glibc to link on sh4 I needed to create a oetmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/libc/configparms with "no-z-defs=yes". Any suggestions on where to do this within oe?
10:21.38hrw|workv8jlene: site/sh4-linux?
10:24.32v8jlenehrw|work: So I should see what effect that has on the autoconf stuff and then try and put that entr in site/sh4-linux? Ok... gives me another option to look at. Thanks.
10:25.26hrw|workv8jlene: site/* are config.cache files - keep all results of autoconf tests (iirc)
10:31.11hrw|workXorA: Thx for /proc/sysrq-trigger info
10:32.24hrw|workchmod 222 /proc/sysrq-trigger in initscript make my machine quite maintanable
10:32.31XorAhrw|work: cool
10:33.12hrw|workatleast rebootable
10:34.35v8jlenehrw|work: As far as I can tell configparms doesn't effect the output of configure. It's changes options that would normally go in config.make?
10:35.07hrw|workv8jlene: dont know - I use already tested stuff usually
10:38.53v8jlenehrw|work: Thanks. I don't see anyone else trying to build for sh4 so I think I'm on my own here ;)
10:39.35ade|deskhrw|work: uclibc svn or 0.9.28 ?
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10:41.36hrw|workade|desk: 0.9.28
10:41.54hrw|workade|desk: gcc-cross-initial 3.4.4 fails on unable to find crt1.o
10:42.07hrw|workade|desk: so now I'm building glibc one
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11:10.26koenlunch break!
11:10.45koenalmost the best time of day
11:16.03koengod damnit
11:16.11koenanother spam attack on the wiki
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11:39.02koenhey magnet
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12:18.14dmuniciohi all
12:20.39koenhey dmunicio
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12:25.32lardman|workIn conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf, the line: DISTRO_VERSION = "3.5.4" is commented. Is this normal?
12:26.17lardman|workActually, that doesn't even matter - I don't seem to even be having this file read in at all
12:27.19lardman|workI presume that setting DISTRO="openzaurus" (with no version) doesn't work?
12:27.45lardman|workfrom looking at the check which is performed at the bottom of conf/distro/openzaurus.conf
12:29.00RPlardman|work: correct - versioned distro is much more usable
12:29.15RPIts probably not set so images in the wild don't get mistaken
12:29.46lardman|workIt's just that I don't seem to be getting a preferred version of something set in conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc
12:29.56lardman|workso am trying to work back and work out why not
12:30.24RPlardman|work: Perhaps something else overrides it?
12:30.49lardman|workRP: yes, I'll have a look through
12:33.23lardman|workhmm, I pulled from koen's backup, it appears that it hadn't sync'ed the update (that's my guess) when I pulled, sorry for the noise
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12:43.16zeckehe<
12:45.26hrw|workj zecke
12:52.30lardman|workWhat's the current OE version? I just pulled and updated and get: monotone: already up to date at 4741ce472626483ef14f4a9e8706f74f696beea4
12:53.54koenhey zecke
12:54.08koenlardman|work: which branch?
12:54.14lardman|work.dev
12:54.23koenno idea
12:54.37hrw|work13:54 hrw@home:org.openembedded$ monotone heads
12:54.38hrw|workmonotone: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is currently merged:
12:54.38hrw|work4741ce472626483ef14f4a9e8706f74f696beea4 rpurdie@openembedded.org 2005-11-02T17:06:52
12:54.40lardman|workah, so perhaps the change to gpe-conf hasn't made it into that branch?
12:54.41koenI don't work on .dev nowadays
12:55.16lardman|workShouldn't changes to the branch come back into dev?
12:55.42hrw|worklardman|work: rather changes to branch should become from dev
12:55.52lardman|workhrw|work: yeah
12:56.35lardman|workhrw|work: you have .dev? Could go grep conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc for 'gpe-conf' please?
12:56.41lardman|works/go/you
12:57.30hrw|workok
12:57.45hrw|workpreferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc:#PREFERRED_VERSION_gpe-nmf ?= "0.21"
12:57.52hrw|workops
12:57.56lardman|work:)
12:58.00hrw|workpreferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc:PREFERRED_VERSION_gpe-conf ?= "0.1.25"
12:58.15lardman|workphew, not just me then
12:58.55lardman|workso what's the fix for this issue then? the preferred version has been updated in the release branch, but not in .dev
13:00.38koenuse the branch :)
13:00.45lardman|workforever....
13:00.47lardman|work?
13:01.07koentill the release or something
13:01.11lardman|workthe two will need to be merged at some point after the actual release
13:01.26koenno, they don't
13:01.40lardman|workno, they don't, but that would be foolish
13:01.51koenwhen it's released we'll delete stuff from .dev
13:01.55lardman|workreplication of work, etc.
13:05.22lardman|workis it only the conf files which are branched? why do I have a .bb for gpe-conf_0.1.26?
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13:13.12lardman|workwhat's the branch name? fam081oz354?
13:13.19hrw|workoz354fam083
13:13.35lardman|workokay, and I can pull that from the usual places?
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13:15.56hrw|workyes
13:16.12lardman|workcool, I've started it going
13:16.14lardman|workthanks
13:16.37lardman|workmy dev images may as well benefit from the changes which have been made to the release brance
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13:19.41Cobeliushi
13:30.29RPkoen: You should be submitting general changes to both branches IMO...
13:30.49RPOr only backporting changes to the release branch
13:31.08RP(unless they're only hacks for the release branch)
13:31.42koenyeah, I forgot to push the change to preferred versions
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14:02.46oris_wolfbanecan anyone look at this bug for me? http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435
14:04.05zeckeoris_wolfbane: well
14:04.15zeckeoris_wolfbane: I did not bother to look into it yesterday
14:04.25zeckeoris_wolfbane: as you specify no versions at all...
14:04.45oris_wolfbanezecke, its uptodate from svn and monotone
14:05.44hrw|workBBFILES wrong?
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14:18.20zeckeoris_wolfbane: well did you install a old bitbake
14:18.28zeckeoris_wolfbane: and are now running one from svn?
14:18.29PigiCiao all
14:19.13oris_wolfbanezecke, i deleted the entired drectory and then got the new one from svn
14:19.16hrw|workhi Pigi
14:19.31Pigihi hrw|work !
14:19.36zeckeoris_wolfbane: well
14:20.11zeckefind / -name 'data.py*'
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14:20.16zeckefind / -name 'data.py*' | wc -l
14:25.18Pigiany idea when openembedded.org will be back AFAIK ?
14:26.04koenPigi: when kergoth changes the dns
14:26.08koenPigi: try oe.handhelds.org
14:26.10Pigiheh
14:30.35oris_wolfbanezecke, 38
14:34.04CobeliusWhich version is compiled when I only give the Name of the package but no version number?
14:34.48koenCobelius: the one with the highest preference
14:35.22koenCobelius: with is the highest version number, unless some .conf specifies that a certain version has to be used
14:35.36koens/with/which/
14:36.05koensuppose I have foo_1.0.bb and foo_1.1.bb
14:36.43koenbitbake will build 1.1 by default unless there is a PREFERRED_VERSION_foo = "1.0" somewhere, of the 1.1 .bb has DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" inside
14:36.58koens/of/or/
14:37.45koenassuming both files are inside BBFILES
14:38.09Cobeliusokay thank you
14:39.57koenI suspect there are other ways to manipulate it, but these are the ones I know
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14:43.14zeckeoris_wolfbane: 38? so much
14:43.16zeckeoris_wolfbane: which paths?
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14:48.07oris_wolfbanezecke, just ran it again, now its 43, http://pastebin.ca/27488
14:48.48zeckekidding me?
14:49.09zeckeso you do not even have bitbake installed?
14:50.40oris_wolfbanezecke, i followed the instructions on the wiki to set the PATH
14:51.01zeckeoris_wolfbane: what has this to do with having bitbake installed?
14:51.22oris_wolfbaneRunning BitBake without installing it
14:51.23oris_wolfbaneThis is the preferred method of running bitbake. Simply set the PATH variable so that the tools are accessible (eg: export PATH=/stuff/bitbake/bin:$PATH). You will need to do this every time you start a terminal for development. (You can set this in your login profile, or perhaps use a script to set the necessary variables for using BitBake.)
14:51.37oris_wolfbaneso i need to install it?
14:51.48zeckeoris_wolfbane: well, if you don't even find data.py you do not have any traces of bitbake
14:51.54zeckeoris_wolfbane: where did I say that?
14:52.20zeckeoris_wolfbane: start bitbake with python -v /path/to/your/bitbake whatever-you-wanted to create
14:52.42koenhrw|work: isn't it nice when people say 'this <thing> is so cool, I want to have it' and we can respond with 'it's been in OE for months'
14:53.59hrw|workkoen: its nice
14:54.33koenlet's wait for the pdaX morons to start flaming in that thread
14:55.58zeckekoen: URI?
14:56.49koenhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15881&hl=
14:57.34zeckeoris_wolfbane: any updates?
14:57.53oris_wolfbanejust ran that, http://pastebin.ca/27490
14:58.32zeckeimport bb.data # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bb/data.pyc
14:58.41zeckewell you at least lied twice ;)
14:59.10oris_wolfbanezecke, how so?
14:59.13zeckewell your find should have spotted /usr/local/lib/py.../data.py
14:59.22zeckeand second you already installed a version of bitbake
14:59.57oris_wolfbanethen how come the find didnt spot it? i could have installed bitbake long ago and forgotten about it
14:59.59zeckedo bitbake --version for me please
15:00.22zeckethis whole thing is a good reason why do put 'versions' into a bug report
15:00.37zeckeyou think you run one version, but you simply don't ;)
15:01.08zeckeand it should not sound as harsh as it may sound
15:01.25zeckeyou can either set the PYTHONPATH (or was it PYTHON_PATH)
15:01.33zeckeor remove the old bitbake installation
15:01.49oris_wolfbaneBitBake Build Tool Core version 1.3.2, bitbake version 1.3.2
15:02.11oris_wolfbanezecke, how do i remove the old one?
15:02.55zeckesudo rm -rf '/' where '/' could be /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bb
15:03.15koenheh
15:03.27koentrying to punish lazy copy/pasters?
15:04.34zeckekoen: I didn't want to write lambda
15:04.51koenlambada!
15:05.01zecke(\x -> (x+1))
15:05.15zecke(\x -> (x+1))10
15:05.21zeckegosh I love functional programming
15:05.36oris_wolfbanezecke, ive uninstalled as per your instructions and still no luck
15:05.37koenfuncprog is pretty fun to do
15:05.42koen*without assignments*
15:06.55zeckeoris_wolfbane: well rerun the python -v thingie
15:07.02zeckeoris_wolfbane: and look from where it pulls data.py
15:12.43oris_wolfbanezecke, thanks alot, thats sorted it
15:12.56oris_wolfbanezecke, you have a paypal donate page?
15:17.27zeckeoris_wolfbane: not any more
15:17.49zeckeoris_wolfbane: I do this here free of charge, without even expecting to get anything out of it
15:17.55zeckeoris_wolfbane: I'm glad it works
15:18.02oris_wolfbanezecke, so am i
15:18.15oris_wolfbanezecke, thanks again
15:18.38zeckeoris_wolfbane: get back to us, with your next error
15:18.45oris_wolfbanelol
15:18.48zeckeoris_wolfbane: you might want to close the bug report if you want to
15:18.56zeckes/your next/the next/
15:18.57koenanyway, bitbake-mono is much faster
15:19.20zeckekoen: wasn't mono -v python bitbake already faster?
15:20.09koenno, C# is much faster
15:20.20hrw|workForth rule anyway
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15:36.29Bernardohi
15:37.08RPhi Bernardo
15:37.33BernardoRP: I've been looking at that pdf you gave me the link
15:38.42Bernardo(and  found out I'm more a ignorant that I thought...)
15:38.44Bernardo:)
15:39.38Bernardoon the akita, it is using 4 bits sdio interrupt mode, right?
15:40.01hrw|workBernardo: welcome
15:44.40RPBernardo: 1 bit sd mode ;-)
15:44.55RPWe don't do 4 bit mode or sdio yet
15:46.52BernardoRP: ok... Time to re-read the doc... :) I was thinking the timeout and lost interrupt might be because of the extra 2 cycles needed for 4bit multi-block
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15:47.49RPBernardo: I don't claim to fully understand SD myself and have not read much of the doucment. I think the key point was there can be two interpretations of the timeout and we only use ones of them
15:51.49hrw|workhi drw
15:52.00drwhrw|work: morning
15:52.19hrw|workdark morning even
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15:59.58Cobeliussomebody destroyed the Manual in the Wiki
16:00.04Cobeliuscan somebody redo it?
16:00.29koenbleh
16:00.31koen| spectrum_cs.c:588: warning: implicit declaration of function `handle_to_dev'
16:00.32koen| spectrum_cs.c:588: error: invalid lvalue in unary `&'
16:00.39zeckeCobelius: you can?!
16:02.29koenI should be ok now
16:04.53Cobeliusthank you
16:16.35dmunicioanyone can tell me how can I set to set locale in oe...? I don't want all the locale packages compiled
16:18.28BernardoRP: ok, I'll keep studying it...
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16:20.32lrgRP: I've sent you the latest wm97xx touch screen driver for do13 to try on the tosa. Hopefully it will be ok.
16:21.35lrgincinerator: going to EdLug tonight ?
16:22.00incineratorindeed
16:22.09incineratorheho, who are you?
16:22.21lrgLiam
16:22.26incineratorwell, coool
16:22.36incineratordidn't know there was an edlugger involved in the project....
16:22.55incineratorI'll probably be at the Auld Hoose, as well
16:23.07lrgI'm involved with the audio and touch screen side of things
16:23.17lrgI'll also be at the Auld Hoose
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16:24.29incineratorcool
16:24.57incineratorI haven't had the time to try out the oz rc yet, but I'll probably do that at the weekend....
16:25.10incineratorif it's not good enough, I'll install the new cacko 1.23 ;-)
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16:33.10CIA-703koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rbc40dc55... 10/: familiar 0.8.3: prefer orinoco 0.13e since 0.15 doesn't compile
16:33.40Pigilater all
16:41.59hrw|workkoen: tried 0.15 for 2.4 kernels?
16:42.32Croftonwill OE run on a 64bit athlon?
16:43.10koenhrw|work: yes, that have the error I pasted 40 minutes ago
16:44.18zeckeCobelius: in 64 bit mode the compiled gcc could segfault
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17:21.02CobeliusWhat is the variable PREFFERED_PROVIDERS in local.conf doing?
17:22.15koenif multiple packages provide the same thing (e.g hotplug-ng and linux-hotplug both provide 'hotplug') you can select which one you want to use
17:23.13Cobeliusokay, thank you
17:25.18hrw|workwho added udev 071? it stars from PR="r5" instead of r0
17:25.22hrw|workstarts
17:26.38koenhrw|work: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded/.message/6255755
17:26.56hrw|workrp..
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17:37.38hrw|workRP: ping
17:38.36hrw|worklrg: ping
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17:40.48hrw|worklrg, RP: turn on c7x0, connect via ssh over usbnet, run alsamixer, bump playback to 100 - noise from speaker even without doing something on c7x0
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18:16.17lardman|worknight
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18:28.35oris_wolfbanehey guys, ive tryed to compile both nano and opie-image, and i get an error both times about noe being able to login cvs because anoncvs:anoncvs doesnt exsist, any ideas?
18:28.46oris_wolfbanes/noe/not
18:36.08RPShould bitbake have PN as an override when working out PREFERRED_VERSION?
18:36.45RPhttp://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/bitbake_preferred_pn_override-r0.patch ...
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18:41.49CIA-703koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r4cca22b3... 10/: bitbake.conf + other _cvs files: change cvs.hh.org to anoncvs.hh.org
18:43.30koenisn't pn always in overrides?
18:46.01RPkoen try setting CVSDATE_somepackage and then PREFERRED_VERSION_somepackage="cvs-${CVSDATE
18:46.26RP}"
18:47.29koenI know PREFERRED_VERSION_somepackage="cvs-${CVSDATE}" doesn't work
18:47.42RPthis is why and the above patch fixes that
18:47.57koenah, I see
18:48.00koengood job!
18:48.13RPI'll bugzilla it
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18:57.26koen~lart me
19:01.46CIA-703koen 07org.oe.dev * r9864f624... 10/: libmimedir: add 0.3.1 release and DP down the cvs one
19:02.03koenIf a student says 'I always link to /usr/lib/libbluetooth.so, so why should I change the Makefile' one more time, I'll force him to eat the ipaq
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19:02.41RPkoen: Is there a webcam handy? :)
19:02.59koen:)
19:04.51koen~lart nfs
19:11.46mreimerwould ipkg benefit from using sqlite to store its metadata rather than plain files?
19:14.26koenI think so
19:15.30koenit would lose the hackable-text-file feature, though
19:15.35mreimerseems like it would be a lot quicker for most things, since it wouldn't have to parse everything all the time
19:16.10mreimerseems better to have decent performance and let the hackers use a little sql, or write a front-end to tweak it by hand
19:16.26koenindeed
19:16.38CosmicPenguinYou would still need to walk the files looking for changes
19:16.52CosmicPenguinunless you added a seperate 'cache' mechanism
19:17.07koenwhich files?
19:17.16CosmicPenguinthe .bbs
19:17.20koenon the device you only have config files, lists and the status
19:17.35CosmicPenguinduh
19:17.38koenheh
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19:17.59CosmicPenguinI either need more caffine or less crack
19:18.04CosmicPenguinprobably both
19:19.13Croftonmore of both!
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19:19.58CroftonCosmicPenguin, installing FC4 x86_64 on an athlon machine we got from newegg
19:20.08CosmicPenguinexcellent
19:20.14CosmicPenguinexcept for the FC4 part... :)
19:20.33gremlin[it]good evening !
19:20.39Croftonheh
19:20.44CroftonI know how to use it :)
19:20.57gremlin[it]FC4 on x86_64 work good ;)
19:21.14Croftonhopefully oe works on it too :)
19:21.16koenFC working good?
19:21.48gremlin[it]for me yes ...
19:22.11gremlin[it]maybe cause i know the beast since long time ;)
19:24.13gremlin[it]btw Hi koen !!!
19:24.20koenhey gremlin[it]
19:25.12gremlin[it]at work i'm working on a communication program to field devices (PLC S7 from Siemens)
19:25.47gremlin[it]at now using Simatic library but is really a bad library .. soon all with GPL software (libnodave) ... :)
19:25.58gremlin[it]so i can run it also on an arm board ;)
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19:36.29zeckehey
19:36.38gremlin[it]hi zecke  :)
19:37.00koen~hail zecke
19:37.01ibotACTION bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
19:37.33zeckethanks
19:37.53zeckekoen: I figure both GPE and Opie got a 'problem' due Maemo
19:38.22koeneverybody is going 'wow maemo is cool'?
19:38.41woglindekoen not me
19:38.42zeckeright, If Nokia doesn't blow it
19:38.43koenand forgetting gpe+opie?
19:38.59zeckeit could be the Linux Mobile Platform
19:39.25RPhi zecke
19:39.51koenhildon + input methods is cool
19:40.28zeckekoen: well that is possible with Qtopia too ;)
19:40.29koenthe browser, newsreader, mail app, video player and audio player suck
19:40.49zeckekoen: I was impressed when I entered the HEX WPA key
19:40.53zeckekoen: and the keyboard changed
19:40.54gremlin[it]what rest ?
19:40.56woglindethe browser is opera
19:41.14koenwoglinde: and it sucks big mammal ass
19:41.46woglindekoen hm, it is as stable as konqueror on the simpad
19:42.15koenit crashes everytime the sun shines?
19:45.40woglindezecke hi
19:45.45woglinde*g*
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19:47.47hrwhi
19:48.10hrwRP, mickeyl: 2.6.14-git3-r2 works ok with kernel-module-hostap
19:52.23Croftonwhen will the oe website return?
19:53.02koenCrofton: oe.handhelds.org
19:53.52Croftonthanks
19:53.59Croftonwill openembedded.org return?
19:56.53hrwwill
19:56.59koenwhen kergoth updates the dns
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19:59.09hrwopen("/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/opie/lib/v5l/fast-mult/half/libcrypt.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
19:59.13hrwnice try on zaurus ;)
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20:07.45PigiCiao all
20:08.58gremlin[it]ciao Pigi
20:09.10hrwmattina Pigi
20:10.11Pigihi hrw. It's  not morning here. At least "buonasera" :)
20:10.19hrw~ugt
20:10.22ibotugt is probably Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
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20:10.28koenheh
20:10.57Pigihrw, apologize then. Always something to learn :)
20:11.02hrwnp
20:11.23hrwsharp-compat-libs suxx - dont support freetype
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20:21.27RPhi hrw|tv, Pigi
20:21.40Pigihi RP !
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20:21.45RPhrw|tv: Its good to know the in kernel hostap works. We should probably switch to that...
20:22.06RPPigi: I'm afraid I've filed a bug against ipkg...
20:22.17Pigiargh... let me see
20:23.11mreimerPigi: do you think storing ipkg metadata in an sqllite db would be a good idea? seems like it might make it go faster
20:25.19Pigimreimer, I'm not really sure about that, as the biggest problem in actual ipkg is that he needs to read way too much data
20:25.46Pigiand I'm not sure that an sql engine would be more performant than reading from a flat file
20:26.24mreimerI was thinking that ipkg might have to read less data because it wouldn't have to read the whole flat file to get what it wants
20:26.31mreimerbut you know how it works :-)
20:27.26Pigithe problem is a bit different. Ipkg ATM needs to read the whole data because he need to construct all the structure to check for dependencies and so on
20:28.15koen|tvyou can make it a bit faster by removing Source: and Maintainer: field from the lists
20:28.16PigiI'm not sure about how much pointer lists are used by ipkg but, believe me, they are tooooooo much
20:29.07Pigithat's what I asked some times ago  to oe builder/maintainer, they are unusefull information for ipkg itself
20:29.25mreimerhow about recording the dependencies in the db? then you could just do "SELECT * from dependencies where pkgname = 'foo'"
20:29.27Pigiand are really big piece of file that needs a lot of realloc
20:30.17Pigithat could ( and probably would ) break the compatibility with dpkg, and also, how would you put that info's in db in a "ipkg update" for example ?
20:30.47mreimeryeah, gets messy. it might end up being as slow as monotone
20:31.03Pigiand what about reconstructing the db ?,  and what if you choose to save some space by storing the db in a temporary space ( as actually is ) ?
20:31.43Pigievery rebbot you need to reconstruct the initial db, and also you need to keeb in sync that db with " status" file and /usr/lib/ipkg/info/* files
20:31.52Pigis/keeb/keep
20:32.13mreimeryou wouldn't need the status file
20:32.42Pigiyou would, believe me. Is where ipkg stores information about installed, configured or unconfigured packages.
20:33.00PigiStatus file is ATM the most important information ipkg has about the whole installation
20:33.02mreimerall that would get stored in the db
20:33.47PigiI know. I used to be an sql programmer years ago, but in our case I don't think we will get good things by using a db.
20:33.53Pigibut who knows :)
20:34.10mreimerI defer to your assessment, since you know how ipkg works :-)
20:34.23Pigiheh
20:34.49PigiI'm not sure that after more than one year of fixing bug I do really know how does ipkg works ;)
20:34.56mreimer:-)
20:36.12CosmicPenguinAt least you have a very healthy fear of it
20:36.20Pigiheh
20:53.33drwPigi:  What is needed is to eliminate the need for downloading, storing and parsing the meta-data on the device...a true client/server system where the server figures out all of the dependency/arch stuff and just feeds the device a series of packages to install (in dep order of course)
20:54.16drw(something I have been thinking about for about a month now)
20:55.17Pigiwell, actually I haven't seen nothing like this yet. It could be an option but then every one maintaing a sel feed should "upgrade to that sistem".
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20:55.45PigiBtw yes it could be an option, but also writing a new package manager could be an option :)
20:56.15drwPigi: could be :)
20:56.57Pigi( this is something I'm thinking since when I started fixing bugs on ipkg ).
20:58.37drwnew package manager...new bugs :)  at least you would be more familiar with the internals
20:58.50Pigithat's the idea.
20:59.16PigiI'm still learning a bit on how ipkg/dpkg works, the I could choose to make the bigstep
21:00.36drwany package manager is simple in concept, it's just all of those little details which are a pain and make it messy
21:04.09Pigiwhat I do really need
21:04.42Pigiatm is someone that help me create a new set of bb files for a gpe image that has less option then the original :)
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21:31.11RPzecke: busy?
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21:37.04Pigihi pb_
21:37.15pb_hi pigi
21:38.28RPpb_: Does http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436 look like the correct thing to do?
21:41.34Pigineed a reboot. bbl
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21:45.40Pigire
21:45.49gremlin[it]wb ... reboot velocissimo
21:45.56gremlin[it]... so fast reboot ;)
21:46.21Pigiheh I was playng with udev, while installing a new image and lost all my /dev/pty* :)
21:46.36zeckeRP: hey
21:46.42zeckeRP: busy and tired ;)
21:46.57pb_hi zecke
21:47.20RPzecke: Ok. Was just wondering about the patch in the bug I mentioned above but it can wait
21:47.43zeckeRP: ah, well I clicked on the link from the mail... (bugzilla mail)
21:49.10zeckethe big bad update_data ;)
21:49.38zeckeand del localdata... ;) I have never used new, why del
21:49.58zeckewell that sounded negative where it should not sound that way
21:50.02zeckethe patch is correct
21:50.23PigiRP, it seems that the compare_version function fails as you have two __almost__ incomparable versions for you ipks
21:51.13zeckemickeyl: ping
21:53.35RPzecke: The idea was to get rid of it from memory as quickly as possible :)
21:54.35RPPigi: Should it be comparing versions at all when you -force-downgrade?
21:55.00zeckeRP: what is memory (from a python point of view)
21:55.04Pigilet me explain. -force-downgrade is basically an hack of the previous code.
21:55.57zeckeRP: I have applied the patch, thanks. I'm going to ask mickeyl for an opinion on del
21:56.10RPzecke: Forgive a C user for not understanding python ;-). I presumed you'd free memory by removing a structue but I'll believe you if you say it doesn't make any difference...
21:56.16Pigiif the compare version says you are downgrading, then let's check if force.downgrade has been used
21:56.46zeckeRP: R+
21:56.49zeckesorry
21:57.03RPPigi: It doesn't upgrade either though ;-)
21:57.16zeckeRP: I would expect the python runtime will delete localdata as soon  as possible
21:57.36Pigibecause the compare version says that the two packages are at the same version
21:58.01zeckecya tomorrow
21:58.09RPzecke: ok, thanks
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21:58.15zeckekoen|tv: ping? do you know a good time tracker for OS X
21:58.18RPPigi: I think that function could use some work then...
21:58.36Pigibut in reality you have a very strange version in git-9
21:58.39RPzecke: I'd also like to discuss splitting up fetch.py at some point - I have a git fetcher
21:59.14RPPigi: What else would you call a directly pulled git version of the linux kernel though? :-/
21:59.17zeckeI'm all for splitting. It should be as easy as dropping a .py into a subdir
21:59.23koen|tvzecke: no, I don't use timetrackers
21:59.38RPPigi: It also doesn't explain why --force-reinstall then gives errors...
21:59.52zeckeRP: I have taken too many classes this term though, I don't know when I will have time to do the split up
21:59.52Pigifor the same motivation
21:59.55RPzecke: I have a patch I'll sort out for tomorrow and bugzilla it
21:59.59PigiRP : ar p kernel-module-snd-timer-2.6_git-r9_c7x0.ipk ./control.tar.gz | tar -zxO ./control | grep ersion
22:00.06PigiVersion: git-r9
22:00.12zeckeRP: good :)
22:00.39zeckekoen|tv: I'm considering toying with the Data Model in XCode
22:00.41Pigiipkg "thinks" that a versionshpuld always have a number in front ( like 0-git-r9 )
22:01.12Pigis/versionshpuld/version should
22:01.29RPPigi: This also failed for 2.6.14-rc4 to 2.6.14-git3
22:01.30hrw|tvcu
22:01.52PigiI should look at you ipk to see that.
22:01.52zeckecya
22:02.00Pigis/you/your
22:02.17RPI don't have those ones anymore :-(
22:02.30Pigi:-(
22:02.35RPPigi: And also, why didn't -force-reinstall work?
22:02.48Pigilet me check the code.
22:02.59PigiRP, well, first of all:
22:03.12RP'night zecke
22:03.38Pigiwhen ipkg read the first ipk name, it thinks that all the other things after this name are packages, not option
22:04.03Pigiso: "ipkg install whatever.ipk -force-reinstall" wont never work
22:04.39Pigiit will " ipkg -force-reinstall install whatever ipk" or, at least ( but I'm not sure ) "ipkg instal -force.reinstall whatever.ipk"
22:05.33Pigias a lot of unix command ( I'm sure I'm not telling you nothing new ) pretend to have options before command.
22:05.33RPIts error messages are very confusing then :-(
22:05.42RPI'd expect to see "could not find -force-reinstall",,,
22:06.12Pigiif you do strace -f some_command -o pippo wont work
22:06.12Pigi( or it shouldn't at least )
22:08.02PigiI know, that could be the bug. Let's ask pb_ about the numbering schema ( he is my dpkg expert on call :) )
22:08.39RPPigi: ok
22:09.02Pigipb_ have you read the discussion me an RP had about the numbering schema ?
22:09.37pb_Pigi: no; can you summarize the discussion for me?
22:09.54Pigisure.
22:10.51PigiRP has file a bug about the -force-downgrade option not working. In effect it seems this way, but looking at his ipks, he have one that has Version git-r9 and another that has 2.6.14-git-r7
22:10.52gremlin[it]byeee i gooo
22:11.00PigiCiao gremlin[it]
22:11.38PigiI wonder if "git-r9" is a "legal" version number or it needs to be preceded by a number at least ( as it seems in the code )
22:12.11pb_I think "git-r9" is legal, albeit unusual.
22:12.49Pigithen the verrevcmp function is wrong :(
22:13.11pb_that is unfortunate.
22:13.45Pigido you mind to give a look at that function with/for me a second ( if you have the time ) ?
22:14.21pb_sure, I'll take a look at it in a little while
22:15.13Pigisure, thanks.
22:17.14RPdo13[offline]: ping?
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22:28.55PigiRP, from "debian policy manual" The upstream_version may contain only alphanumerics[31] and the characters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit.
22:29.14Pigiso yes you're right ( and I'm wrong ) :)
22:29.23Pigithe bug is confirmed
22:31.03Pigiwhile for the second thing ( confusing error message ) the ipkg -h says "usage: ipkg [options...] sub-command [arguments...]"
22:31.27Pigiso, bug uncorfimed ( while I will try to give a better message if I have some spare time ) :)
22:36.26RPPigi: If you look at the resulting error "Hi!
22:36.26RP>
22:36.32RPoops :-/
22:37.11PigiI will, I will ( only I hav eno idea on how to compare two different entities :) )
22:37.42Pigiwhat's the best way to convince oe to read a different h3900.conf file ?
22:37.52RPPigi: If you look at the resulting error in the bug report "xxx_2.6.14-git1-r4.ipk No such file or directory", my point is that it doesn't really tell me I misplaced the -force-reinstall option
22:38.10RPPigi: Place it in the directory with your local.conf?
22:38.50PigiRP for the bug, I will be able to check at it if I can reproduce ( and will try )
22:38.58PigiRP for the conf, will it work ?
22:39.19RPPigi: It should do but I've never tried it :)
22:39.32PigiI will just now
22:39.58RPPigi: Ok, I'll leave the bug with you. I appreciate ipkg is a pain and thanks for looking into it :)
22:40.23PigiYou're welcome RP.
22:44.14mithrosome one mentioned my name?
22:48.56PigiRP, that's rather strange....
22:49.53Pigialso if the debian policy manual says that the version __should__ start with a number, and not __must__ start with a number, the compare routine is almost the same on ipkg and dpkg
22:50.16PigiI was hoping that in dpkg the routine could have helped me.
22:51.28Pigiand putting the h3900.conf in conf/local.conf don't work. It is not my night tonight :)
22:52.23PigiRP what do you think anyway, git-r9 should be considered biggest that 2.6.14-git-r7 ?
22:52.25pb_Pigi: the verrevcmp() functions looks ok to me.  What do you think it is doing wrong?
22:53.23Pigipb_ what is doing wrong is that ( it seems that ) comparing git-r9 and 2.6.14-git-r7 returns 0 ( as if they are equal )
22:54.10Pigithis is because the ipkg_install return as error "the package is already installed in root" that is issued if pkc_version:compare returns 0
22:54.19Pigis/:/_
22:54.27pb_ah, that isn't good
22:54.38pb_did you double check with "ipkg compare_versions"?
22:54.38Pigiindeed
22:54.52Piginot yet
22:54.57pb_might be worth a go
22:56.52pb_or, alternatively, run ipkg under the debugger and call verrevcmp() by hand.
22:57.08pb_from looking at the code, it ought to be able to tell that those two versions are different.
22:58.21Pigiit seems that ipkg compare_version isn't really working ....
22:58.46pb_(though, as an aside, those two versions are sufficiently different that it doesn't make much sense to ask whether one is "newer than" the other.)
22:58.56pb_oh dear.  what does it do wrong?
22:59.04Pigiheh:
22:59.23Pigiroot@h3900:~# ipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 ">" 2.6.14-git-r7
22:59.23Pigiroot@h3900:~# ipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 "=" 2.6.14-git-r7
22:59.23Pigiroot@h3900:~# ipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 = 2.6.14-git-r7  
22:59.23Pigiroot@h3900:~# ipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 \= 2.6.14-git-r7
22:59.23Pigiroot@h3900:~# ipkg compare_versions 2-6-14 \= 2.6.14              
22:59.24Pigiroot@h3900:~# ipkg compare_versions 2-6-14 \< 2.6.14
22:59.54Pigino result messages. Maybe I'm supposed to test the result code from shell
23:01.57pb_yeah, it just sets the exit status
23:02.16PigiI see.
23:02.41Pigibtw you're right when you says that it doesn't make sense to compare between two different entities
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23:08.56Pigipb_ here the results :
23:08.58Pigiipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 > 2.6.14-git-r7
23:08.59Pigi0
23:08.59Pigiipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 = 2.6.14-git-r7
23:08.59Pigi0
23:09.00Pigiipkg compare_versions 2-6-14-git-r9 = 2.6.14-git-r7
23:09.01Pigi0
23:09.03Pigiipkg compare_versions 2-6-14 = 2.6.14
23:09.05Pigi0
23:09.09Pigiipkg compare_versions 2-6-14 < 2.6.14
23:09.11PigiAn error ocurred, return value: 1.
23:09.13Pigi1
23:09.15Pigiipkg compare_versions git-r9 < 2.6.14-git-r7
23:09.17Pigi0
23:09.48pb_yeah, I think those are all approximately correct.
23:10.11pb_"2-6-14" and "2-6-14-git-r9" are malformed versions, and ought really to be diagnosed, but that's a minor issue.
23:12.50Pigiok, thank, and sorry for disturbing
23:12.55Pigithanks even
23:15.14pb_any time
23:15.56Pigipb_ another thing ( if I can ) .
23:16.27Pigihow can I say oe to use my own h3900.conf ( without overriding the original ) ?
23:17.00pb_put it in conf/machine/ inside your build directory
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23:18.48Pigithx
23:20.28PigiRP, we will discuss this bug further next time we meet.
23:20.39Piginow it's really time to sleep.
23:20.50Piginight all
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