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00:10.50radugaEee. :/
00:11.02radugaanyone here much familiar with abiword?
00:11.22johnXI can pretend to be
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00:11.56radugais it possible to run commandline tools without X running?
00:12.07radugatrying to use it to batch convert .doc to .pdf
00:12.23radugaworks swimmingly, so long as it can talk to an X server.
00:12.31radugaaborts unhappily if it can't.
00:13.15radugaI don't *see* any obvious options to enable/disable poking at the X display
00:14.35johnXhmm
00:15.17raduga-n should (according to -help) disable the startup banner, but doesn't seem to help :/
00:17.00johnXif you can't figure anything out maybe you could use a fake x server
00:17.06johnXkind of a hack though
00:17.34radugayep. not really pleasant in the environment I'd like to use it though :/
00:17.44johnXnot really pleasant at all
00:17.44gb2how is the quality of abiword converted files?
00:18.20radugagb2: at least tolerable.  it handles tables, fonts ok. I haven't tried anything really exciting.
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00:18.40gb2I know ooffice is theoretically scriptable to do it
00:18.46gb2but i haven't tried recently
00:18.54gb2i've also run into a few files office couldn't deal with
00:18.55radugatheoretically.
00:19.07radugagb2: I've looked into it, and the scripting is pretty hairy
00:19.21radugaand looks like it breaks from one version of OO to the next
00:19.53radugayou can do virtually anything from the commandline with OO, but only in a mangle of java and their internal macro language
00:20.06gb2what are you running to do the conversion?
00:20.08raduga(any OO devs, feel free to correct me :(
00:20.27radugagb2: trying to use abiword.  simple .doc -> .pdf
00:20.30gb2i just installed abiword
00:20.39gb2was wondering what options you were feeding
00:20.49radugaabi at least works! only for some reason seems to die unless X is running
00:21.05johnXraduga: could you maybe point it at a remote X server?
00:21.08radugaAbiWord-2.4 -n --to=pdf file.doc
00:21.17johnXagain, not optimal...
00:21.36radugajohnx: would like to let it handle batches, or possibly spawned from CGI.
00:21.43gb2hm, i thought I had a doc file around here somewhere
00:21.55johnXah
00:22.01johnXok, now it becomes clear
00:23.07radugajohnx: clear that its pebkac?
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00:24.03johnXI was thinking more in the context of a one-shot deal on a zaurus or Linux-command line
00:24.44radugamultiple shots, hopefully.
00:24.50radugafor one shot, its marvellous though.
00:24.52gb2Error on option --help: unknown option.
00:24.52gb2Run 'abiword --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
00:24.53gb2cute
00:25.31raduga<PROTECTED>
00:25.45radugaseems like the right direction, but it still needs X
00:26.36radugafrom the mailing list there seems to have been some discussion of a configure option at build time
00:26.48raduga<PROTECTED>
00:27.07radugathe discussion being whether to actually remove that option, or actually create a valid --without-x
00:28.09radugaI can try --without-x and see what it does (?!)
00:28.25johnXseems like a better idea than anything I have
00:32.08johnXother than that xvfb seems like the other possibility
00:32.21johnXshort of starting hacking on abiword yourself
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00:34.00radugahackity hack! :)
00:34.14johnXyup
00:36.28johnXi just tried it though
00:36.29johnXit works
00:36.47radugainteresting. In what environment?
00:36.57johnXUbuntu Linux x86-64
00:37.00johnXxvfb-run -a abiword -t pdf Syllabus_ENGR_231_Su05.doc
00:37.40radugaOh. under xvfb.
00:37.42raduga*nod*
00:37.55johnXyeah, sorry to get your hopes up
00:38.06radugaseems to work ok in xfree. can't imagine why it wouldn't in xvfb
00:38.10radugathanky
00:38.39radugaand the bloody --without-x seems to cheerfully link to X libs anyway!
00:38.52johnXheh
00:39.55johnXgoing between dpkg and ipkg kills me
00:41.02johnXwbat kind of volume of hits are you expecting on this cgi script?
00:43.55radugamaybe 10/day if that
00:44.44radugaif the server chokes and chugs and sputters for a moment or two, handling the conversion that's fine ;)
00:44.49raduganot optimal, but fine
00:45.24johnXplus you can just leave an xvfb running
00:45.37johnXat least avoid spawning it every time you run abiword
00:47.39radugaok. building with --without-gnome --without-x  to see if it listens to those flags ;)
00:49.07johnXThis leads me to think that "--without-x" might be purely pretend on a lot of programs
00:49.21johnXI bet it at least links against gtk
00:49.26johnXand xlibs
00:51.53radugaI'll let you know, Mr 'X' :)
00:51.59johnXheh
00:52.36johnXbelieve it or not the X in my nick isn't related to X11
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00:54.11radugaI can believe it.
00:54.28radugaif you can believe that my queries in here today, have little to do with Open Embedded
00:56.29johnXi believe it
00:57.11johnXunless you're actually making a .bb for an all-in-one web based doc to pdf converter package that runs on ARM
00:57.46radugathere's a thought
00:59.09radugaexcept that anything I build is likely going to be more cumbersome than just using abiword, for most people :/
01:01.23johnXbut web apps are the new thing! It's automatically better than a normal GUI
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08:24.35alan|homemorning gentlemen
08:24.45xiaowen+ ladies
08:32.34XorAmorning
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08:47.35freethinkermorning XorA
08:49.14freethinkerXorA:are there any best ways to cut the opie-image
08:49.24XorAcut?
08:50.39freethinkerXorA:oh.reduce the opie-image size
08:51.12XorAfreethinker: look at meta/opie*.bb files, there are methods used there to alter the image between big and small flash devices
08:52.33XorAfreethinker: or maybe in conf/distro/openzaurus*
08:52.33XorAI cant remeber off hand which
08:53.59XorAalthough looking I cant actually find it, maybe I misremeber
08:54.12XorAhrw|gone: will defineately know
08:56.03freethinkerXorA:I has modified 'packages/meta/meta-opie.bb', the result seem also can do it.
08:57.05hrw|workmorning ladies (xiaowen) and rest
08:57.14freethinkermorning hrw
08:57.17hrw|workfreethinker: strip IPKG_INSTALL in opie-image.bb
08:57.19xiaowenThanks hrw|work.
08:57.54hrw|workxiaowen: its does not happen often to get women on developer channel
08:58.27xiaowenYes, but it's still a crime to assume there are none. ;)
08:59.05freethinkerXorA:thank you :)
08:59.29freethinkerhrw:whether I can strip 'packages/meta/meta-opie.bb'?
08:59.59hrw|workfreethinker: meta-opie build opie stuff packages. opie-image install some of them
09:00.42freethinkerhrw:ohhh.! thank you :)
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09:03.44huehello,  anyone can help me submit some files to kernel26 on handhelds.org?
09:04.07hrw|workhue: use bugtracker?
09:04.43huehrw|work: OK, try it.
09:07.31huehrw|work: which  product should I select? seems no kernel26 but kernel-sa?
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09:08.13CIA-703noodles 07org.oe.dev * r839ec3f4... 10/:
09:08.13CIA-7spitz.conf: Don't install e2fsprogs-e2fsck/mke2fs; we install e2fsprogs and
09:08.13CIA-7this includes the files in both of these pacakges.
09:09.14hrw|workhue: w8.. you want to add into OE repository or into handhelds.org CVS?
09:09.45alan|homeanyone tried the e-image ? is it stable ?
09:11.05hrw|workhue: if into Oe then http://bugs.openembedded.org/ if into hh.org then http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/ and #handhelds.org
09:11.16huehrw|work: handhelds kernel26 tree.
09:12.23hrw|workhue: then you need handhelds.org/bugzilla/ and/or someone on #handhelds.org channel
09:13.26huehrw|work: thanks.
09:15.25hrw|worknp
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09:17.02ade|deskmorning folks
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09:21.12ade|deskRP: i hear your have become a 'sour' hacker now bug #444 , hehe
09:21.51XorAade|desk: it was that talk with pdaXrom that did it :-D
09:22.40ade|deski was wondering why hrw|work had said it :)
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09:24.21katossimorning all
09:25.32freethinkermorning katossi
09:26.11hrw|workheh....
09:26.37hrw|workfsck..
09:26.44hrw|work~lart me and my keyboard
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09:36.13ade|deskbugger, note to self. close vmware session before sleeping pc
09:38.11hrw|workade|desk, XorA: could you explain me why 'sour' is funny?
09:38.21hrw|workah.. nevermind
09:38.25hrw|workfound in dict
09:38.26XorAhrw|work: :-D
09:38.58RPade|desk: I hadn't noticed that :)
09:40.06XorARP: new sound code defineately has massive thumbs up, it allows mplayer to work much better than sharp OSS stuff.
09:40.40RPXorA: Excellent. I hope lrg is listening :)
09:40.54XorA~hail lrg
09:41.04RPXorA: No objections if I wipe the Sharp driver then? :)
09:41.20XorARP: not for me, it can die in the git3 code :-)
09:41.37XorARP: just need make sure that script you gave me is on your website until the crash on module load is fixed
09:42.19RPYes, I've given lrg some tips on how to solve some of those issues and hopefully we'll have a new version soon
09:42.30RPwe'll move to git10 soon btw :)
09:42.36RPand internal hostap
09:42.42RPand pcmciautils :)
09:43.26hrw|workRP: sounds nearly like my Z :)
09:43.53RPhrw|work: You're running git10? :)
09:45.06hrw|workRP: nearly == everything except git10
09:46.09hrw|workand why git10 - git11 is too fresh?
09:47.31RPhrw|work: git11 hadn't been released yesterday :)
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09:49.17hrw|workok
09:51.52hrw|workRP: let me guess.. lot of your patches accepted?
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09:56.11marc__hi!
09:56.28hrw|workho
10:00.28TwiunGooooood Morning!
10:01.21marc__Is there a simple way to build a gpe-image for h3900 with 2.6 kernel ?
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10:03.02RPhrw|work: Sadly, most are sitting in rmk's patch system :-(
10:03.26hrw|workhi Dirk
10:03.28RPhi dirk
10:03.38do13hi RP, hrw|work
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10:04.01hrw|workhi zecke
10:04.12do13hi zecke
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10:06.06do13RP: any comments from rmk about the Patch #3093/1 (SharpSL PCMCIA Updates)?
10:06.20RPdo13: Not a thing :-/
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10:06.47do13RP: I put the tosa patch into his patch system
10:07.40koenmarc__: in conf/machine/h3900.conf there is a param to select kernel 2.6
10:08.54RPdo13: The patches look good. As part of my new job I guess I should sign them off :)
10:09.16do13RP: :)
10:09.17zeckeRP: new job?
10:09.26zeckecan one congratulate to something?
10:10.00RPzecke: rmk has asked me to vet all the Sharp Zaurus patches as I know more about it than him
10:10.05katossiI'm trying to substitute dropbear by openssh, and openssh is compiled, but not installed, or at least I don't see anything like /etc/init.d/sshd, is it INSTALLED in a non stardard place?
10:10.17marc__koen: thanks
10:10.17koenRP: congrats
10:10.19hrw|work~lart nokia for dtl1 bt card
10:10.46RPI'm still not sure what happens when I want to submit a patch though... :)
10:11.16koenzecke: did shawn or lorn send you and abusive email yet?
10:11.35zeckekoen: not yet
10:11.58koenshawn called me a jihadi last time :)
10:12.26zeckekoen: well most of the time you could differentiate more ,)
10:12.41koenheh
10:14.56RPdo13: Out of interest, why the pxa_gpio_mode calls in the irda transceiver function?
10:16.15do13RP: Sharp did this calls in 2.4. It makes sense to put the line low.
10:17.01RPdo13: Was that just done on tosa or on the other models too?
10:17.48do13RP: can't remember. irc only tosa
10:18.14RPdo13: Ok, perhaps that's why I've missed it.
10:18.52RPdo13: As a tip for the future, I'd recommend linewrapping the text in the Notes section in the patch system.
10:19.28RPThe system should really do that for you but until it does...
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10:20.05do13RP: Thanks for the hint. I'll wait for rmks comment :)
10:20.44RPdo13: I found out the hard way ;-)
10:21.33do13RP: pxa_gpio_mode is only tosa related in 2.4
10:22.43RPdo13: ok, thanks, I was just worried I'd missed something for the c7x0/cxx00's :)
10:23.05katossiRP: how do I mount the sd canrd in my akita? is it /dev/mtdblock2 ?
10:23.23RPkatossi: /dev/mmcblk0p1
10:24.38RPkatossi: It should be automounted unless you've repartitioned it
10:25.27katossiit's not being automounted, I don't know if it's because is ext2
10:25.30greentuxRP: hello, I am the guy looking for 2.6 kernels for testing on c3100...
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10:26.15katossiis anything wrong with the unzip form busybox? I can't unzip a simple .zip file (unsupported method compression 0 )
10:26.40RPkatossi: Yes, ext2 will mean you need to edit /etc/fstab to have it automount
10:27.01RPgreentux: hi. are you after to build your own or just do testing?
10:27.58greentuxRP: just do extensible testing.
10:28.19katossiRP:  but in fstab the fs type is auto
10:28.30RPkatossi: Then it should work :-/
10:29.29RPgreentux: This means someone needs to build you an image as I don't have a borzoi one handy at the moment. Give me an hour or two and I can probably have an opie image ready for testing
10:30.23koennot a gpe image? ;)
10:30.49greentuxrp: big thanks. perhaps in two weeks i have another developer, who so also some building stuff, but for starting wit 2.6 & borzai it would be nice!
10:30.57koenultra castrated dance?
10:32.09ade|desksmall in seat jig
10:32.18zeckekoen: did you see http://vizzzion.org/stuff/xgl_wanking.avi yet?
10:33.33koenzecke: a long time ago
10:34.01koenI saw the demo a long time before the aKademy people did
10:35.18koenzecke: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
10:35.54zeckekoen: well these are different
10:36.17koenthat's the one with all the zooming, right?
10:37.12koenI had Xglx working a while ago, but Ubuntu decided to break fglrx
10:40.41hrw|workheh.. GL rendering in X11.. something not for my machines
10:41.06koenthanks to Daniel Stone not for me either
10:41.39XorAisnt there something wrong about X on GL on X?
10:42.00hrw|workmy machines hardware is not capable to do good GL anyway.. matrox g400/450 is not GL monster
10:42.19koenit's great for 2d accel and tv out
10:42.36koenthe g400 was the best designed card I ever owned
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10:45.22hrw|worktvout I would have to connect to tv tuner - but this will give me a loop as my g400@home is single head ;)
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10:46.33hrw|work7.5EUR for g400 DH
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11:21.43zeckekoen: and I guess shawn just want to sell apps
11:21.52zeckekoen: minimize work, maximize profit ;)
11:23.04koenmaximize FUD
11:23.33koenyou know that as a true patriot you can't code for a jihadi platform
11:23.47koenbush will lock you into guantanamo bay for doing that
11:27.28RPif he can remember where it is...
11:29.08koenhttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/monotone-devel/2005-11/msg00030.html is pretty cute
11:34.37RPgreentux: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/borzoi-3.5.4ish/
11:35.15RPgreentux: Keep in mind borzoi is untested and this is not from the release branch
11:39.16hrw|workRP: can I put that URL in 3.5.4-rc post on oz.org? some users asks for 2.6 to test
11:40.27RPhrw|work: ok, But stress it is not from the 3,5,4 release branch and is a total unknown quantity on borzoi
11:40.49RPhrw|work: Its actually a spitz image but there's no reason it shouldn't work...
11:41.11hrw|workRP: so I will make a new post
11:41.16koenhrw|work: don't put it in the RC thread, but a seperate one
11:41.21hrw|workyep
11:42.03koenand some users asked for a gpe images as well
11:42.19RPkoen: Did you add the gpe image fix?
11:42.34koenno, didn't have time to sort that out yet
11:42.49RPkoen: Sort it out and only then will I build some ;-)
11:43.02koen:)
11:45.16hrw|workRP: could you provide kernel modules packages for that image?
11:46.02RPhrw|work:  ok - will be added to a modules directory shortly
11:46.07RPneed to stage them
11:46.22hrw|workok thx
11:46.59hrw|workhttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/11/08/borzoi-3100-testing-image-with-26-kernel/
11:47.41hrw|workfeel free to edit it needed
11:53.45marc__is it possible to use gcc4 to build a gpe-image for example ? I have some errors...
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12:00.54zeckemallum: nice to see o-hand.com growing ;)
12:02.13mallumhey zecke
12:02.19mallumit is ? how come :) ?
12:03.12mallumoh I see ;)
12:03.31koengah
12:03.36koen~stab jffs2
12:05.02mallumkoen: have you leanrt c yet ?
12:05.23koenno, but my 1337 m4tl4b skills have improved
12:05.41mallumrm -fr matlab
12:07.43koenRP: patch is in, but untested thanks to jffs2 blowing up
12:08.51RPkoen: ok, thanks
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12:09.11koenit's conditional anyway, so harmless for most devices
12:09.13greentuxrp: thanks, will test now.
12:09.34CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rbc093cfe... 10/:
12:09.34CIA-3gpe-sessionscripts 0.66: add conditional patch for devices with a high dpi
12:09.34CIA-3* sets fonts to fontsize 5
12:10.24NoodlesOh rock. I'll have to install that. :)
12:11.00koenNoodles: it only works for new users
12:11.02NoodlesWho are the GPE gurus btw? I was noticing some nasty problems with things not being sized correctly (eg account setup in GAIM).
12:11.27NoodlesPlus, GPE on Spitz things it's in portrait mode rather than landscape.
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12:11.38koenfor the account setup: rm DL_DIR/*patch* and rebuild
12:13.01hrw|workonly?
12:13.21XorAhrw|work: on a Z, thats crazy, someone slap me with a wet kipper
12:13.35koen~fishslap XorA
12:14.39Noodleskoen: Hmmm? Which account setup?
12:14.51XorAwell thats the mystery of the missing / space anyway
12:14.52koengaims
12:15.32NoodlesOh, has it been fixed then?
12:15.39NoodlesI shall try later.
12:16.24koenit was fixed a while ago, but OE doesn't refresh the patch
12:17.10RPOE doesn't know how to do that hence all my zaurus patches having release numbers
12:17.36koenindeed
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12:19.34alan|xchatmmm... my modem/router rebooted... lucky a source package was not being retrieved. Is there any option in bitbake to prevent everything from failing in such a case ?
12:20.19magnetbitbake --no-reboot-modem-please ?
12:20.30alan|xchat<PROTECTED>
12:21.07magnetonce downloaded source tarballs are kept in sources/ ,
12:21.25hrw|workmagnet: not in sources/ but in DL_DIR
12:21.25magnetthey should not be downloaded again, unless you cleaned that dir.
12:21.36koenit uses wget -c, so everything should be safe
12:21.45magnetops
12:22.45koenzecke: could you send a mail to oe@ explaining the md5sum thingie?
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12:34.38koenbitbake -k <foo> -c fetch
12:35.08magnetoh I misunderstood you, you can fetch all file before starting to compile.
12:35.20magneterr ok koen is faster :)
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12:38.42hrw|workand if you fetch faster then build then you can run both in parallel
12:41.48greentuxrp: no initrd.bin, thats right?
12:42.04hrw|workgreentux: right
12:43.52hrw|workkoen: gpe-image was stripped a bit after 3.5.4-rc?
12:44.17koenI think it was
12:51.48greentuxdoesnt recognice the cf now... :) will see
12:52.20greentuxforgot AC :)
12:52.36hrw|workgreentux: which cf card type?
12:53.02hrw|workgreentux: and 'does not recognize' mean 'no pccardctl ident' or 'no driver loaded'?
12:53.55greentuxdoesnt flash without AC, but i cant read japanese ...
12:54.00greentuxok next try
12:55.05greentuxkernel panic: no init found
12:55.38greentuxhow to scroll back the kernel log?
12:57.19RPgreentux: Did it put files onto the microdrive?
12:57.33greentuxit flashes the kernel, reboots and stops
12:58.05greentuxdoesnt see any activities on hdd
12:58.39greentuxretry...
12:58.42RPgreentux: The updater.sh looks wrong - let me try and write a better one
12:58.56RPgreentux: c3100 does have a microdrive, doesn't it?
12:59.14greentuxupdater writes zImage.bin, thats all, reboots and stops
12:59.50greentux4GB CFA Disk drive
13:00.31greentuxwhat about the updater from 3.5.4RC1->3100?
13:01.11RPgreentux: Won't work. Try the one I've just added to the directory
13:01.29RPgreentux: This one should install the image onto the first partition on the microdrive
13:01.46RPhttp://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/borzoi-3.5.4ish/updater.sh
13:02.27greentuxok, mom
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13:04.41greentuxnow formatting,
13:04.49greentuxnow formatting
13:04.52greentuxxf not found
13:04.53greentuxerror
13:04.56greentuxreboot...
13:05.01greentuxno init found
13:05.13greentuxpanic :(
13:05.33hrw|workgreentux: show us 'cardctl ident' output from borzoi - maybe 2.6 does not have that cf card in list of known ones
13:06.05greentuxso i have reflash 3.5.4rc1... mom
13:07.55greentuxkj
13:08.50hrw|workRP: want udev 074?
13:09.00greentuxok, 3.5.4rc1 updater writes now his image to hdd...
13:09.06CIA-303rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rc1e11e88... 10/: ludeos: Added nas100d/ludeos distribution, including nas100d-kernel.
13:09.11CIA-303rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r2f275ba2... 10/: nas100d-kernel: Fixed nas100d-kernel.inc
13:10.33RPgreentux: I don't like the sound of the error "xf not found". Was that the exact and only error?
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13:11.33RPhrw|work: I think it just fixes bugs we haven't seen yet. You can add it to OE if it works
13:11.48greentuxyes... i looks like that it formats 2 of the 3 partitions of hdd... but the 3. hat errors...
13:12.21RPgreentux: Did you add gnu-tar to the CF card?
13:12.37greentuxyes gnu-tar moved to tools.tar
13:12.51RPno, call it gnu-tar
13:13.06RPwe're not pdxrom
13:13.38greentux3.5.4rc1 works with tools.tar ... just installed :)
13:13.48greentuxok, cardctl ident interested any longer?
13:13.57RPno, run it just to be sure
13:14.10RPas you have the image installed...
13:14.27greentuxhitachi microdrive 0x0319 0x000 4 (fixed disk)
13:15.08hrw|workhitachi.. so it should work
13:15.18RPgreentux: ok, that matches spitz, thanks
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13:15.36greentuxok, reinstall your 2.6...
13:15.41NoodlesWhat's the difference between the 3000 and 3100?
13:15.54RPTry again with no initrd.bin, and gnu-tar named gnu-tar :)
13:16.04RPNoodles: Different flash size and type
13:16.19greentuxon the run...
13:16.40greentuxno formatting
13:16.44greentuxsorry
13:16.47greentuxnow formmating
13:16.50greentuxnow extracting
13:17.21greentuxand a lot "could not create symlinks"
13:18.21greentuxi think for all files...
13:18.44RPThat doesn't sound good...
13:18.47greentuxno such file or directory
13:18.51greentuxok reboot and...
13:18.58greentuxno init found :)
13:19.23greentuxthe first time extracting there were no errors. after 10 or 15 seconds the errors began
13:19.40koen|unidid you copy the gnutar binary too?
13:19.58RPgreentux: We need to find out why you see those errors...
13:22.05hrw|workhttp://pastebin.com/421660 - udev 074 attempt
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13:24.57greentuxhdimage1.tgz updater.sh zImage.bin gnu-tar
13:24.58hrw|workhttp://pastebin.com/421660 - udev 074 attempt
13:24.58RPgreentux: What's your shell script like?
13:24.58greentuxupdater writes HDD RO filesystem... means RO = read only?
13:24.58RPgreentux: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/borzoi-3.5.4ish/updater.sh-raw is the raw updater.sh script
13:24.58zeckehttp://www.embedded-kernel-track.org/2004/mallum/img1.html <- I always knew that
13:25.00RPhttp://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/borzoi-3.5.4ish/updater.sh-test is a version which will drop you to a shell
13:27.33RPgreentux: Use the version to drop to a shell and see why it has problems extracting the rootfilesystem
13:27.33hrw|workzecke: so when KDE on qt/e?
13:27.35greentuxok
13:27.36RPgreentux: You can see the commands it runs from the raw script
13:27.37RPgreentux: Check things like the drive is mounted where it thinks it should be etc.
13:27.37mallumzecke: hehe, my true beliefs there in black and white ;)
13:27.44zeckehrw|work: today? ./configure --with-qtopia
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13:27.59greentuxsorry, the script does the same...
13:28.49hrw|workzecke: and it works? nice
13:28.49RPgreentux: updater.sh-test should drop to a shell...
13:29.30greentuxdoesnt.md5sum ends in dde34e
13:30.12greentuxok, or do you mean after extracting?
13:30.12hrw|workfsck udev074 - I go lunch
13:30.56RPgreentux: yes
13:30.56RPit will try to extract, then drop to a shell
13:30.56CIA-303rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r8663bff0... 10/: nas100d-kernel: Modified nas100d-kernel.inc to look in nas100d-kernel instead of nslu2-kernel.
13:31.08greentuxno after extracting errors it reboots
13:31.28zeckehrw|work: no, some people believe it works...
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13:31.46RPhrw|work: Lets just wait for 075 ;-)
13:32.55RPgreentux: I suggest you take the raw updater.sh, edit it and then encode it and try and get to a shell
13:33.20greentuxhow to encode?
13:34.34greentuxyour /bin/sh -i stands after "success", but i have the error state
13:36.31RPgreentux: ah yes, sorry - try the one I've just uploaded
13:36.52RPencoding is done as per enc.c on: http://externe.net/zaurus/faq/index.php/TBVBootSequence
13:40.23greentuxand rebooting again ...
13:40.50alan|xchatwhat is sharprom-compatible.conf in distro ? is it useable ?
13:41.02alan|xchatany doc about it ?
13:43.09greentuxcan you go to shell direct after "now extracting"?
13:54.59greentuxok, enc works now...
13:56.51hrw|workgreentux: or try reboot with D+B hold - on c7x0 it gives emergency 2.4 shell ;)
13:57.16greentuxit seems all ok on the /hdd1
13:58.13greentuxany advantage to NOT write the image in flash (like initrd.bin does)?
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13:59.10hrw|workgreentux: why using flash when you have uDrive available?
14:00.09greentuxok, thought that teh usual way (i know only 3.5.4rc1 stuff :)
14:01.37greentuxgzip -dc works...
14:03.59greentuxok... give me please md5sum of hdimage1.gz... seems unreadable
14:04.41RPgreentux: b3814f3b1ae657f38f1189b7c6708b2c
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14:07.20greentuxok is right.
14:09.05hrw|workRP: could you also put md5sums in directory?
14:10.10RPhrw|work: done
14:10.33greentuxnow gzip|tar check...
14:11.13RPgreentux: You need to use the gnu-tar, not the one on the filesystem
14:11.21greentuxslow output :)
14:11.37greentuxyes gzip -dc|./gnu-tar tf - (in /mnt/cf)
14:11.47greentuxworks fine...
14:13.05RPcheck that /hdd1/sbin/init exists btw - if it does, the kernel should find it
14:13.15RPis will be a symlink
14:14.06greentuxok now "xf" instead of "tf" and a -C  /hdd1
14:14.22greentuxextracting to /hdd1 is right i think...
14:15.56greentuxbut same error. could not create directory and could not create file errors en masse
14:16.11hrw|workThe openzaurus project is currently over quota on
14:16.11hrw|workthe project shell server. Quotas for projects are set to 100 MB and the
14:16.12hrw|workproject is currently using 2049 MB.
14:16.26hrw|workand we have to go <100MB till 2005-11-15
14:16.38hrw|work(letter from sf.net admins)
14:16.56greentuxok... found
14:17.00hrw|workbtw. nice amount we use...
14:17.13RPhrw|work: ouch. How are we going to manage that?
14:17.41hrw|workRP: no idea here
14:18.16RPI could offer storage for that amount of data but not the bandwidth :-/
14:18.47greentuxok /dev/hdc1 is mounted to /hdd1 and has only 10 MB
14:18.58hrw|work3.5.4-RC is 343M
14:19.46koen|uniyou could put it on hh.org or ewi546
14:19.54RPgreentux: So sharp changed the partitioning on borzoi - I guess that makes sense...
14:19.55greentuxthats from the flashinstall with 3.5.4-rc
14:20.00alan|xchathow much would cost another host for the entire project hrw|work ?
14:20.07hrw|workalan|xchat: dont know
14:20.45RPgreentux: Which microdrive partition looks suitable as the rootfs then?
14:20.53koen|unihrw|work: you could put it on hh.org or ewi546
14:22.04greentuxmmmh /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdc2 have 10MB each, /dev/hdc3 has 4 GB
14:22.43RPgreentux: I think we're going to have to suggest borzoi users repartition then...
14:22.46alan|xchatkoen|uni: hh.org -> The Happy Hearts Organization:
14:22.46alan|xchatTop-Quality Dating Services At Lower Prices! ^^
14:24.31greentuxi can try, what would you suggest?
14:24.56hrw|workkoen|uni: cool. now I have to get mickeyl alive and discuss what to do.
14:26.05RPgreentux: It works like a normal harddisk - you'll need to use a disk repartitioning tool to change their sizes and reformat them
14:27.21greentuxi do that now... /dev/hdc1 -> 1.5GB Linux, /dev/hdc2 -> 2.5GB fat32
14:28.36hrw|work~kergoth
14:28.39iboti guess kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy currently at Astrocom Corporation (http://www.astrocorp.com/).  Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@astrocorp.com.  Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OZ, and OpenEmbedded projects.  Maintainer of the tslib project.
14:28.39greentuxnext try on extracting...
14:29.22koen|unihrw|work: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/
14:29.59hrw|workkoen|uni: nice
14:30.17koen|uniit's fetching stuff right now
14:30.52greentuxi can also organise a mirror at tu-dresden university
14:32.02greentuxreboots and find a initrd yeah!
14:32.10hrw|workluzik told some time ago that ftp.task.gda.pl also can be a mirror
14:32.42greentuxhope all plays with that new partitioning
14:33.06alan|homeguys, has anyone ever heard about this ? http://www.rasterman.com/files/eem.avi
14:33.36alan|homei have the sources here. anyluck anyone may add this to OE ?
14:33.37koen|uniyes, and that's actually does nothing usefull
14:33.44koen|uniwe to have e17 in OE
14:34.17alan|homekoen|uni: yeah, that is what i'm currently compiling. But my ! the gui is wonderful !!
14:36.32hrw|workgreentux: it boot from first uDrive partition?
14:37.58greentuxno sorry /dev/hda is now the harddisk / is /dev/hda1
14:38.17greentuxcf is mounted as /dev/hdc1 on /media/cf
14:38.42RPgreentux: As it should be ;-)
14:38.55RPgreentux: Did you boot into opie?
14:39.20hrw|workhttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/11/08/borzoi-3100-testing-image-with-26-kernel/ updated
14:39.27greentuxyes... i test something now.
14:40.02greentuxperhaps updater.sh can make a simple 50%/50% partitioning after a request?
14:40.39greentuxd-link wlan works fine ...
14:40.58hrw|workgreentux: dcf-660w?
14:41.06RPgreentux: No, updater.sh shouldn't be doing that as at the moment it preserves data on the other partitions
14:41.42greentuxdcf 660 weua1
14:42.27greentuxok, how are the partitions on tne C3000 organised?
14:44.32RPgreentux: 100MB, 400MB, 3.5GB
14:44.44RPas standard...
14:45.19greentuxthen 100MB should also not enough!
14:45.19RPhrw|work: I updated the messaege to add a parition size (>100MB)
14:45.30greentuxsomebody tested 3000?
14:45.40RPgreentux: works fine here with the same image
14:45.58RPgreentux: That image has ~50MB of files in...
14:46.08alan|homeerror 404 on http://www.oesources.org/source/current/e17.libs.edje.m4_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050926.tar.gz anyone has this file ?
14:46.38greentuxmmmh that cant be. i started with 100/100/3.8GB
14:47.24RPgreentux: You said 10MB earlier
14:47.46greentuxoh sorry
14:49.21greentux:)  dont now if that is original. i tried some distris...
14:50.45greentuxcacko and 3.5.4 rc1...
14:58.22alan|homee17.libs.edje.m4_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050926.tar.gz is not on oesources.org at all... is there another rep for sources ?
15:01.42koen|uniyes, upstream :)
15:10.42koen|uniRP: borzoi has 128MB flash, right?
15:11.14hrw|workkoen|uni: yes
15:11.45koen|uniso OZ could ship a jffs2 image to solve partitioning problems, right?
15:11.56hrw|workcould
15:12.31RPkoen|uni: In theory
15:12.41koen|unisome users could start panicking for writing to a ROM
15:12.50koen|uni*cough*
15:13.12RPgreentux: I'd be interested to know if you can read/write ok to /dev/mtdblock2 (it will be a jffs2 partition)
15:24.47greentuxhow can i check the read/write?
15:27.39greentuxhow to mount etc...
15:27.54RPgreentux: mount /dev/mtdblock2 /somemountpoint -t jffs2
15:29.29greentuxno such device
15:29.41greentuxok...
15:29.47koen|unimodprobe mtdchar?
15:29.53greentuxno the zaurus freezes :) moment reboot
15:30.11greentuxno, i takes a long time, now mounted
15:30.45RPkoen|uni: I just built a gpe image. The login screen and window titles still suffer from font issues but it looks better than it did
15:32.11greentuxmount sais only 32 MB
15:33.32RPgreentux: That sounds about right
15:34.03greentuxok i have a meeting now...
15:34.07RPgreentux: Does it have a valid filesystem?
15:34.29RPI guess if you've messed with other images it might not...
15:34.38CIA-303xora 07org.oe.dev * rc1a4fbc4... 10/:
15:34.39CIA-3mplayer-atty-1.1.5 : Enable ALSA
15:34.39CIA-3A small hack required to the configure file as it tries to run a program
15:34.39CIA-3to determine which version of alsa is installed. Have put this to a fixed
15:34.39CIA-3version as OE only has 1.0+ in it.
15:34.52RPgreentux: ok, thanks for your help in testing - at least we know it works now :)
15:35.00greentuxvalid FS yes...
15:35.20RPand you can write a file on it?
15:35.36greentuxit has all the dirs /etc /sys /bin ....
15:35.49greentuxyes touch a writes a "a" file
15:35.51hrw|workXorA: are you sure that ipaq has alsa 1.0?
15:36.07greentuxok, 60min away
15:36.07RPgreentux: excellent, thanks. Just wanted to check that all works and it sounds like it does
15:36.44XorAhrw|work: Ipaq doesnt run mplayer-atty AFAIK
15:36.50koen|uniRP: I suspect matchbox is using pixels for font sizes
15:37.07koen|uniRP: so you need to poke your boss ;)
15:37.07XorAhrw|work: anyway, the ability to use alsa doesnt require alsa
15:37.57hrw|work'hi boss. your code is shitty.' 'you're fired'
15:38.23XorAhrw|work: only alsa-lib_1.0.8 is in OE, so if they are using a different version it comes from a non OE place and I cannot do anything about that
15:38.55greentuxmeeting moved :)
15:39.59chouimatmorning
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15:40.55greentuxsound does not work in this version... on borzai
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15:41.26hrw|workgreentux: you need to load some modules
15:42.05RPgreentux: sound is still under development. It can be made to work though, as hrw says
15:44.01greentuxok... some doc on the wiki?
15:45.19RPgreentux: No, its such a recent development, there are no docs :)
15:45.47hrw|workRP: linux-openzaurus.bb probably need some autoload_MODNAME lines
15:45.49greentuxok a little txt...
15:46.34lrgRP: I'll have another sound release Wed/Thu, I'll add a little txt doc that can be pasted on the WiKi
15:46.52XorA~hail lrg
15:46.59greentuxyou can send it to me and i put it on the wiki...
15:47.26hrw|worklrg: great you are
15:47.48lrggreentux: it's not even started yet. I'll write the txt on the train home tonight
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15:48.21greentux:)
15:48.34jake_?-)
15:49.57RPlrg: Ok, thanks. I look forward to it :)
15:50.30RPlrg: For the wiki the OZ users really need to know about which modules to load and installing alsamixer etc. We'll probably take care of that in the images soon enough though
15:50.44lrgRP: It should have items 1 and 3 fixed. 2 and 4 will be fixed in 0.7
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15:51.29alan|homeanyone compiled an e-image here ?
15:51.50RPlrg: That sounds good :)
15:52.00RPlrg: I need to try and think how we can handle 2...
15:52.05RPgreentux: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/inssound might help
15:52.42RPgreentux: That gives you the correct init order. You'll need the alsa_utils package to give you alsamixer to control the sound output
15:55.00greentuxok and i have no feed  :)
15:59.04XorAand alsactl is good idea as well, to quickly save/restore mixer settings
15:59.15RPgreentux: Does the 3.5.3 feed have it?
15:59.57greentuxyou said i have only module feeds...
16:00.14greentuxwill check tomorrow. now starts the moved meeting :)
16:00.20RPgreentux: You can use applications from the 3.5.3 OZ feed
16:01.23RPkoen: mallum suspects the theme is providing broken pt size
16:02.04koenRP: it's probably real easy to fix, but I haven't looked at it yet
16:02.33mallumkoen: you just need to tweak the theme
16:02.56mallumkoen: you cant make a single theme that works on every radically different display and dpi size...
16:03.12koenI was affraid of that
16:03.43koenRP: I think another unintended change slipped in that cset
16:03.53koenit sets the theme to industrial
16:05.09hrw|workso finally it will be like qpe.conf in opie-taskbar - hand crafted file for each machine
16:05.09RPkoen: Yes, it has. I changed it back to default and the titles all look better, then it locked up
16:06.06koenhrw|work: I think I'll be lazy and make one for 100DPI and one for 200DPI
16:07.09RPkoen: gpe-login is still broken but the window titles look better once I fixed the theme
16:07.28RPvery small titles now...
16:07.55koenI think I'll do the same for gpe-login
16:08.04koenand kill the blueishness while I'm at it
16:13.48NoodlesYay!
16:13.56Noodles(The blue annoys me)
16:14.12koenthe whole login thing annoys me
16:14.19koenbut that's a different matter
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16:27.56CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r25db80be... 10/:
16:27.57CIA-3gpe-login 0.83: add conditional patch for high dpi machines
16:27.57CIA-3* sets font size to 5
16:27.57CIA-3* sets login theme to Industrial
16:27.57CIA-3* kills the smashed smurf look
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16:33.57zeckecya later
16:36.29RPhrw|work, greentux: I added a borzoi gpe image
16:36.29[TEHb]Est' kto iz Pitera?
16:39.10koenNoodles: you should be freed of the blue if you install a new gpe-login
16:41.46hrw|work[TEHb]: możesz mówić po angielsku?
16:42.20hrw|workRP: fine - I dont have borzoi currently so will not test but its good to know
16:43.15RPhrw|work: I'll add it to the announcement?
16:44.23hrw|workRP: feel free
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16:51.53greentux_altwill check borzai tomorrow. you are planing a jffs2 image next time? or let we borzai on disk?
16:56.02greentux_althttp://www.ambicom.com/products/air2net/bt2000cf-feat.html could work with 2.6?
16:57.19hrw|workgreentux_alt: iirc yes
16:58.06greentux_altok, try to get one in germany
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17:14.27hrw|workcu
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18:02.48alan|hometo bitbake e-image.bb
18:03.13koenalan|home: why don't you fetch it from sorceforge cvs?
18:03.26alan|homekoen: i don't find it...
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18:06.10alan|homei've got to go.
18:06.20alan|homebut i keep my window open
18:06.28alan|homesee you
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18:36.16marc__koen: building gpe-image for fam-0.8.3 (not released, I know) with kernel 2.6 gives me errors when building the image "Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-bootstrap" and few kernel-* packages... Is there a way to avoid this ?
18:39.46koencould you file a bug for that?
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18:40.26marc__ok :)
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19:01.02RayzorHi all...
19:01.23RayzorI've been doing some work on OE here at AMD, geode and alchemy related.
19:01.44RayzorBut it amounts to some new and changed packages in different parts of the tree.
19:02.11RayzorWho do I see about getting write access for the monotone tree to make some submissions?
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19:06.57koenRayzor: Usually you attach patches to bugzilla and after a few patches we'll try to talk you in to write access :)
19:08.16Rayzortalk me into it, eh?  :)
19:08.43RayzorOK.  I'll start w/ Bugzilla.
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19:59.08zecke_hey
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20:36.28hrwmorning
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20:37.22koen|tvhey hrw
20:37.33hrwkoen|tv: whats in tv?
20:38.12koen|tvgordon ramsays hells kitchen
20:38.23hrwnever saw
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20:47.28hrwOT: someone know a tool which will be able to show and record v4l video with sound?
20:48.33koen|tvmencoder/mplayer
20:48.38koen|tvmaybe mjpegtools
20:50.18hrwbest will be show/record in one time
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20:50.59hrwmy gf want me to record one movie when she will be outside. I want to watch it during recording
20:51.55gremlin[it]*curious* what movie ?
20:52.33hrwgremlin[it]: its rather tv series
20:53.29gremlin[it]how i can "send" a patch/modification into the repository ? (or how i can find doc about?)
20:53.40hrwgremlin[it]: use bugtracker
20:54.50koen|tvhrw: mythtv
20:55.26gremlin[it]hrw : koen said me to "send into the repository" ... :( ...
20:55.32gremlin[it]hi koen|tv  ;)
20:56.01hrw~lart debian - lack of mythtv
20:57.54NoodlesThere are mythtv packages though.
20:58.09hrwNoodles: sure - fetching now
20:58.15hrwbut not in debian itself
20:58.27NoodlesLart the package maintainer then. ;)
20:58.40hrwgremlin[it]: if you have devel access then push into repo. if not then push into bugtracker
20:59.19NoodlesThough that's DVB only.
20:59.32gremlin[it]koen|tv i don't have devel access !!! :) :) :)
20:59.59Noodlesgremlin[it]: Then file a bug with the patch?
21:01.03gremlin[it]Noodles i already did :) ...
21:01.14NoodlesLink?
21:01.45gremlin[it]bug #450 ...
21:03.46NoodlesAre you sure that's the right id? Or am I looking at the wrong bugzilla?
21:04.49gremlin[it]#445 sorry ...
21:05.02gremlin[it]bugs.openembedded.org
21:07.08NoodlesRight. Got it now.
21:07.43gremlin[it]i did all or i miss something ?
21:14.04hrwhm. mencoder gives me audio playing during record
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21:20.18hrwheh.. mencoder does not grab audio ;(
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21:26.47gremlin[it]hi zecke_ ;)
21:27.01bazkaixahi, i'm building oe enviroment, and when i try to download db with monotone, they crash saying monotone: connecting to monotone.vanille.de
21:27.02bazkaixamonotone: network error: failed to connect: Conexión rehusada
21:27.12bazkaixarehused connection,
21:27.15bazkaixawhy can be that?
21:27.18koen|tvuse on of the mirrors
21:27.45bazkaixahmm
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21:35.02alan|homeok, can anyone explain me why the file i was looking for is now available but another one is mossing ?
21:35.48alan|homeevidence_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050926.tar.gz is missing...
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21:49.36koen|tvalan|home: nothing is 'missing' from oesources
21:49.58koen|tvit seems you have a problem with fetching stuff from cvs
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22:31.51alan|homekoen|tv: ha...
22:31.57alan|homeok, good to know.
22:32.12alan|homethansk you koen|tv . I'll check that tomorrow.
22:33.05alan|homekoen|tv: mmm... you are right
22:33.06alan|homecvs checkout: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/evidence for user anonymous
22:33.27alan|homei'll have to sole this tomorrow.
22:33.30alan|homebye
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23:19.52reenoo_evening
23:20.47CosmicPenguinit sure is
23:21.10hardwireno
23:24.47reenoo_heh
23:26.22reenoo_~stab monotone
23:27.35CosmicPenguinIbot has apparently become less violent in his old age
23:28.56reenoo_maybe ibot's just tired of stabbing monotone ;)
23:34.06CosmicPenguinIf it wants a change of pace, it can start stabbing git
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23:45.14reenoo_mickey|away: when you get back... please restart the monotone server on monotone.vanille.de and sync with ewi546 since I had to push something there
23:46.43reenoo_kergoth: ping
23:54.36CosmicPenguinreenoo_: he might not respond, his GF is in town.. :)
23:55.21reenoo_ah. heh
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23:58.39reenoo_oh well. I guess I shouldn't be taking that many courses this semester
23:59.30zeckereenoo_busy: kopf hoch!
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