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00:06.45zeckehttp://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ScmOverview?action=show
00:06.47zeckegood nite
00:08.33JustinPnight zekoZeko
00:08.37JustinPargh
00:09.15CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r2cd93be5... 10/packages/pango/pango_1.8.2.bb: pango: add 1.8.2
00:09.20CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * rcecb9f4e... 10/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.2.95.bb: fontconfig: Do not install bogus local.conf.
00:09.24CIA-403rw 07org.oe.dev * ra2bad5c0... 10/packages/matchbox-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matchbox-common: remove "Utilities" category as the distinction between "Utilities" and "Other" is currently rather random. Part of a fix for hh.org Bug #1462
00:18.39CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5df1cb28... 10/packages/xserver-common/ (xserver-common-1.7/100dpi.patch xserver-common_1.7.bb): xserver-common: add 1.7 to fix rgb ordering and refresh 100dpi patch
00:18.44CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rdee5914c... 10/packages/minipredict/minipredict.bb: minipredict: add RDEPEND on libdictionary
00:18.49CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rc2cd2803... 10/packages/gpe-login/gpe-login_0.86.bb: gpe-login: update to 0.86 to fix busybox bug with symlinks and permissions
00:18.53CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rbd2f1c50... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: gpe-2.7: use gpe-login 0.86
00:28.31reenoo|zZzZ'night all
00:29.45mreimernite reenoo|zZzZ
00:37.43CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * rbc92eeaa... 10/packages/xserver-common/ (3 files): xserver-common: add 1.7, remove 1.1 and 1.2
00:37.48CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * r35bf847e... 10/packages/gpe-login/ (gpe-login_0.76.bb gpe-login_0.86.bb): gpe-login: remove 0.76, add 0.86
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00:38.42florianhi all
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01:07.42CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r82cdded8... 10/packages/irda-utils/ (files/init irda-utils_0.9.16.bb): irda-utils: add patch from OE bug #381 to make IRDA work on h2200
01:08.15CoreDump|homeum lol
01:08.30CoreDump|homejust booted a collie rootfs on Akita.
01:09.31CoreDump|homeI'm not even running kernel 2.4 for which this rootfs was compiled
01:12.07CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * ra4c58382... 10/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.2.95.bb: fontconfig: add fix for local.conf from .dev
01:12.11CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r9c80bbbf... 10/packages/gpe-bootsplash/gpe-bootsplash_1.15.bb:
01:12.11CIA-4gpe-bootsplash: update to 1.15 to fix some issues:
01:12.13CIA-402:06 < mreimer> it fixes a couple of errors on boot
01:12.15CIA-402:06 < mreimer> chvt, no /dev/fb/0
01:15.41JustinPaw hell...
01:16.24JustinPkoen: PING, I'll merge my changes back into the tree (I just pushed a rev)
01:16.56koenwhat changes?
01:17.12JustinPI mean that I probably just cerated a hydra, I'll merge it
01:17.25JustinPdidn't edit same packages
01:17.36JustinPjust didn't want us both mergeing and creating a merg mess
01:17.47JustinPassuming this push makes it through at all....
01:18.05koenyou pushed a rev to where?
01:18.09koennot to .oz I hope
01:18.11JustinPvanille
01:18.20JustinP.oz?
01:18.38JustinPah
01:18.39JustinPnm
01:18.39JustinP;-)
01:18.45JustinPno problems then
01:18.52koenok :)
01:19.15JustinPwhat's the preferred way of setting the versions to use?
01:19.28JustinPI want to set the numbered versions of the e stuff as preferred
01:19.34JustinPbut would like to keep it in one places
01:19.42JustinPtask-e-x11?
01:20.06JustinPI put them in my local.conf for now
01:20.26CoreDump|homeopenzaurus-unstable.conf? maybe include a preferred_versions_e.inc in there
01:20.36JustinPthat could work :-) thanks
01:20.38CoreDump|homethat's what opie did last timeI checked
01:20.39koenthere was such a file a while ago
01:20.40CoreDump|home=)
01:20.56CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * r1de0fd18... 10/packages/meta/ (meta-e.bb task-e-x11.bb meta-e-x11-core.bb meta-e-x11.bb):
01:20.56CIA-4meta-e-x11, task-e-x11: move task-e-x11* to task-e-x11.bb and create meta packages to conform with new standard
01:20.56CIA-4- Also removed meta-e as it's not needed
01:21.00CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * r5f603ac0... 10/packages/ (57 files in 3 dirs):
01:21.00CIA-4efl, e17: Update to newer release tarballs
01:21.00CIA-4- Removed no-splash patch for e-wm, crash bug seems to be gone
01:21.02CIA-4- add "released" entrance
01:21.04CIA-4- remove ecore fixes (fixed in release...finally)
01:21.06CIA-4- add new configure fix for evas and change configure patch names to use ${PV}
01:21.11JustinPwhoa, I thought I'd pushed that one a while ago..
01:21.15JustinPah well
01:21.51JustinPindeed, #include conf/distro/preferred-e-versions.inc
01:23.44JustinPdo we want this in familiar as well?
01:24.41koen/conf/distro/familiar-unstable.conf line 5:
01:24.48koen# Do not touch this file before notifying familiar-dev@handhelds.org
01:24.58JustinPah
01:24.59JustinPok
01:25.44JustinPdo I notify and wait for ack?
01:26.20koennotify and say I said it was OK :)
01:26.21JustinPt
01:26.26JustinPoh, ok
01:34.05CosmicPenguingreat
01:34.13CosmicPenguinalsa-utils 1.0.8 isn't gcc 4.x frinedly
01:34.14CosmicPenguinbah
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02:27.53shadowsRP: when you are able, could you send me your c3000 images?  i would like to find out if my hardware is faulty
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03:34.21shadowserr, what's the functional difference between gcc, gcc-cross, and gcc-cross-initial ?
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03:55.13shadowswhat the heck, the branch has multiple heads?
03:55.14shadowswhat's that about
03:58.57shadowsoh
03:59.04shadowsthere's one for justinp and one for florian
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07:05.16gremlin[it]good morning to all :)
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08:23.10Zero_ChaosHow do I force bitbake to make all collie zImages? as in 64-0 32-32, etc....
08:23.26Zero_Chaosor really, just those two, but I'd settle for all.
08:24.13JustinPshadows: I can give you access to mine tomorrow if you like
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08:26.24Zero_Chaosanyone here know how to fix my problem by chance?
08:30.31Mardyhi all
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08:33.44Zero_Chaosis there a way to force bitbake to remake the zImage despite stamps or anything else (so I can force it to create a 64-0 and a 32-32)?
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09:08.56CIA-403florian 07org.oe.dev * re7ddf084... 10/packages/libgpevtype/ (libgpevtype_0.11.bb libgpevtype_0.15.bb): libgpevtype: Add 0.15, remove 0.11.
09:09.03CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * r4664d672... 10/conf/distro/ (openzaurus-unstable.conf preferred-e-versions.inc): openzaurus-unstable, preferred-e-versions: update preferred-e-versions with newest releases (and add lots of packages) and uncomment the entry in OZ
09:09.08CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * r6f3628b0... 10/conf/distro/familiar-unstable.conf: familiar-unstable: re-add preferred-e-versions
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09:25.22alan|laptopmorning
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12:33.23RPmorning all
12:33.40Mardyhi RP
12:33.41koenhey RP
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12:39.25CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r5f304035... 10/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.2.95.bb:
12:39.25CIA-4fontconfig: add RREPLACES on libfontconfig1 so ipkg won't kill your install on upgrading
12:39.25CIA-4* see hh.org bug #1515
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13:08.31ade|deskmorning folks
13:08.42pb_hi ade
13:10.13ade|deskhi pb_ how is cambs today, i've been in birmingham the past few days, my wife tells me its rather cold back home
13:10.49pb_it is indeed quite cold around here.  I think it snowed a little bit yesterday and the day before.
13:12.31ade|deskit can't have snowed too much, debbie's school didn't close, sadly
13:12.35alan_hi all.
13:13.04alan_i'm trying to use gpe-aerial, but it keeps on trying to use eth1 instead of wlan0...
13:13.17alan_anyone knows where this can come from ?
13:13.31alan_same error when i try to use prismstumbler
13:13.46alan_yet my car uses hostap
13:14.07pb_your car uses hostap?  eleet.
13:14.14ade|desklol
13:14.40alan_did i say something wrong ?
13:15.05ade|deskalan_: i think you missed a 'd' on car
13:15.14alan_hehe ^^
13:16.08ade|deskalan_: having never used gpe-aerial i cant really help you, sorry
13:16.14ade|deskhave you tried the folk in #gpe ?
13:16.26alan_ade|desk: ok, thaks anyway
13:16.37pb_yeah, florian would be your resource for that
13:16.44alan_going to try on #gpe, that is a good idea
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13:49.42mickeylhey guys, how are things
13:58.01alan_hey mickeyl
13:58.28pb_hail mickeyl
14:02.39CIA-403mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb6e92585... 10/packages/wlan-ng/wlan-ng-modules_0.2.2.bb:
14:02.39CIA-4wlan-ng-modules: set default preference of version 0.2.2 to -1 for tosa,
14:02.39CIA-4since 0.2.1-pre is the most recent version that works there
14:03.14RPhi mickeyl
14:03.17mickeylhey RP
14:03.24zeckemickeyl: freaking busy :}
14:03.28mickeylterribly
14:03.50mickeylno, seriously. I have to work on a presentation of 5 years of work until the 16th february
14:04.04mickeylno idea how to structure that in a sane way
14:04.14mickeylonly 45 minutes and there will be a lot of professors attending
14:04.16mickeylscary...
14:04.31pb_oh right, your phd is reaching its culmination?
14:04.43zeckemickeyl: oh yeah... a not the smart idea would be to use one slide
14:04.55mickeylyeah, slowly. it's not the public defence yet, but it's the pre-finishing lecture
14:04.58zeckemickeyl: a big cloud and print void into it :}
14:05.03mickeylheh
14:05.43pb_I guess you should just have some slides about openzaurus.
14:05.52pb_"I didn't do much research, but I made this really cool operating system."
14:06.00mickeylhahahaha
14:06.09mickeylthat's true
14:06.16mickeyl:D
14:06.33zeckemickeyl: good luck (seriously). What about sorting thins chronologically?
14:06.38mickeylunfortunately i don't think i'll receive a PhD for that  :)
14:07.30mickeylzecke: yeah, i guess i'll start with motivating my research due to advances in mobile distributed networks - devices, comm.technologies, ubicom. then going over to why middleware should be adaptive in such contexts and then show my adaptive architecture.
14:08.22mickeylactually, i'll handle to include OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus and Opie in the part about "evaluation tools" :)
14:09.16RPMy final project at Uni for a years work was "Why my professor was incorrect to set this as a project as its physically impossible to do" :-/
14:09.44mickeyld'oh
14:10.28do13Hi all
14:10.31mickeylhey dirk
14:10.56do13Hey mickeyl
14:11.34RPI found that out about 10 minutes after starting the project with nothing more complicated with a multimeter. Still had to spend a year doing the project anyway proving it was impossible :)
14:11.37RPhi dirk
14:12.01do13Hi Richard
14:12.13mickeylRP: did he believe you in the end?
14:12.24RPThe project brief did get adapted a bit to give me other things to do...
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14:14.18RPmickeyl: Yes, and he supported the conclusion and said I would be fine if I could prove it :)
14:14.30mickeylexcellent :)
14:14.36mickeylby the way, any of you ever did something with latex-beamer? if not, consider it for your next presentation. it rocks. As an old powerpoint presentation guy, I really love to work with beamer.
14:14.55RP(It was about resistance mapping of solar cell materials like CdTe)
14:15.06zeckemickeyl: I have started using it
14:15.24zeckemickeyl: do you have a good overview on which themes are available
14:15.47mickeylzecke: i printed the chapter about "how to change looks" in the beamer userguide on a color laser printer.
14:15.57mickeylall stock themes can be seen there
14:16.29mickeyli settled on Frankfurt (sic)
14:16.30mickeylheh
14:17.08zeckehehe
14:17.10RPNone of the machines at Uni would have run anything like that. We were forced to use powerpoint :-(
14:17.28RPand FORTRAN :-/
14:17.37mickeyloh the agony :)
14:18.00RPI hate fortran with a passion...
14:18.41mickeyli chose stochastics instead of numerics in university. i didn't want to learn fortran
14:18.53pb_heh
14:19.02RPgood choice ;-)
14:20.17RPI spent the lab sessions proving C was more efficient at everything to the lab demonstrators (and asking them really awkward questions) :)
14:20.40mickeyl:D
14:21.42mickeylbackus wouldn't agree, but then again, he quit CS in 1991
14:26.07pb_It's hard to imagine that C is actually _more_ efficient than Fortran for many numerical tasks, though it's certainly true that (since C99) it's no longer significantly less efficient.
14:26.35pb_nowadays, there isn't a great deal to choose between them: you can write decent compilers and libraries for both languages.
14:40.24RPI suspect the fortran compiler was elderly and the C one a lot more modern. That didn't stop me winding the demonstrators up though ;-)
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16:13.47CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rde179bce... 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus/no-static.patch dbus_0.23.4.bb): dbus: add patch to stop dbus-daemon-1 being built staticly, closes hh.org bug #1494
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16:15.27RPcedric: ping?
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16:36.49Zero_Chaosis there a way to force bitbake to remake the zImage despite stamps or anything else (so I can force it to create a 64-0 and a 32-32)?
16:37.42koenbitbake -b <kernel.bb> -c compile -f
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16:37.47koenor bitbake -i
16:37.49koenparse
16:37.55koenrebuild virtual/kernel
16:38.04pH5good evening
16:38.06Zero_Chaoskoen: sweet, thanks
16:38.12marceln-awayHi Koen
16:38.41marceln-awayCould i ask you to give a lecture in Utrecht on the slug day
16:38.56marceln-awayhttp://www.nllgg.nl/bijeenkomsten_2006_slugdag
16:40.14koenmarceln: sure, I'll be attending anyway
16:40.32marcelnThanks.
16:41.42marcelnI hoped you could give a talk about bitbake and monotome?
16:41.45koenI could handle that
16:42.16koenThat just needs a translation of my sheets for FOSDEM :)
16:42.39marcelnOk. I will place your name there :)
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16:44.04Zero_Chaoskoen: it rebuilt the kernel, but didn't package it into a zImage... what do I type next?
16:44.34koenit didn't package the zImage?
16:44.36koenweird
16:44.48koenyou want to check with mickeyl or hrw|gone
16:45.20Zero_Chaoskoen: thanks
16:45.26Zero_Chaosmickeyl: hrw|gone ping
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16:51.39RPdo13: Do you have an updated defconfig for tosa?
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17:00.59CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r606273dc... 10/packages/linux/ (13 files in 2 dirs): linux-openzaurus-2.6.14-git3: Remove as outdated now
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17:10.55Zero_Chaosokay, how do I make bitbake build all of the collie images.  I used to not define COLLIE_RAMDISK_SIZE and COLLIE_MEMORY_SIZE and it would build all the zImages.... now it does not.
17:24.13do13RP: not yet. I've integrating new TC6393 drivers. OHCI :)
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17:25.54RPdo13: Ok, that sounds good :)
17:26.16RPdo13: I'm just trying to tidy up the OE kernel a bit. Some of the defconfigs are suffering bitrot :-/
17:27.18RPdo13: Did you have a look at my altered version of your corgi_bl_generic patch?
17:30.52do13RP: corgi_bl_generic-r2.patch?
17:31.02RPyes
17:31.17do13RP: So it works in my recent kernel.
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17:33.51RPok. I might push that and the backlight changes to the fb developers
17:34.15RPWhere I need to go through several maintainers, I need to start moving now for 2.6.17 :)
17:34.36RPI'll also submit the keyboard driver changes
17:35.21do13RP: I'll look at this and integrate this into the tosa driver
17:36.30RPIt was mainly changing the scan rate from 100ms to 50ms as it solves the nasty key reptition issues everyone complained about
17:36.44CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r52aa4399... 10/packages/led/led_cvs.bb: led: add led from h3600-utils, close hh.org bug #1310
17:36.48CIA-403koen 07org.oe.dev * rb0704e33... 10/packages/led/ (files/nokernelheader.patch led_cvs.bb): led: add led from h3600-utils (adapted from .oz354fam083)
17:36.52CIA-403pH5 07org.oe.dev * r389a6b49... 10/packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6/ipaq-pxa270/defconfig: handhelds-pxa-2.6_cvs: update hx4700 defconfig for 2.6.15-hh0
17:37.12do13RP: You can push this patch: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/tosa_fstab.patch
17:44.15RPdo13: pushed
18:07.11CIA-403rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r952b15f5... 10/packages/base-files/ (base-files/tosa/fstab base-files_3.0.14.bb): base-files: Tweak tosa 2.6 mmc fstab options (from Dirk Opfer)
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18:15.36CoreDump|homehi
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18:26.14shadowsRP: :)
18:28.07shadowsRP: what do you think about the suspend/resume issues, are they due to me building images on amd64 host?
18:28.18shadowsor maybe vairent / broken zaurus hardware
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18:44.52shadowsperhaps the suspend somehow relies on rootfs being on hda1
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18:55.30RPshadows: It shouldn't depends on hda1
18:55.45RPshadows: At some point I'll share a precompiled kernel and you can test with that
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18:59.40PigiCiao all
19:00.56koenhey Pigi
19:01.26Pigihey koen! . It seems you are having some nice time testing ipkg these days ;) heh
19:03.44koenPigi: status after using -force-overwrite on the failing packages: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/status.gz
19:05.28Pigithat's even more strange ! your status file says xkbd is installed .....
19:05.40Pigiin version 0.8.15-r1
19:07.13shadowsRP: that would be wonderful, thank you
19:07.27koenyes, I did a ipkg install xkbd fontconfig -force-reinstall -force-overwrite to fix the install
19:10.57JustinPshadows: do you need a recent C3000 2.6 kernel? mine's up to date except for RP's last push I think
19:11.30Pigiwhat I don't understand is why you needed the force-reinstall and overwrite. This usually means that info files, and status are there. So xkbd seems that it was installed.
19:11.39Pigieven more strange......
19:11.58koenPigi: does ipkg update the status file right after uninstalling?
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19:12.15koenor does it does somehting like 'failed on something, not writing status file'?
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19:12.29Pigikoen, no. It does it at the end of the whole upgrade cycle.
19:13.43Pigikoen, sometimes it could even happens, for the "failed on something, not writing status file"....
19:15.10koenit did write something, since it refused to ipkg upgrade again
19:15.35Pigikoen, do you think it could be reproducible in some way ?
19:16.03koenI think so
19:16.37Pigithat's a good news..... Btw it seems that it could/should be really hard that it don't write out the status file....
19:16.55koenmake 3 new ipkgs (a, b and c), make c depend on b and make sure ipkg errors out with b
19:17.09koen(xkbd depends on fontconfig)
19:17.25shadowsJustinP: my hardware (C3000) is failing to resume from an extended time of being suspended
19:17.40shadowsJustinP: this means i am thinking my hardware may be faulty or different
19:17.44koenPigi: I added a Replaces: libfontconfig1 in fontconfig r4
19:18.04shadowsi would like to verify that my hardware can resume for an extended time period and then resume without troube
19:18.06Pigiwhich does broke the install ?
19:18.37koenfontconfig broke, since it overlapped with libfontconfig1
19:19.11Pigiah ok.
19:19.37koenit broke in 'configuring fontconfig'
19:20.14JustinPshadows: what kernel?
19:20.25JustinPshadows: I have had similar issues with 2.4......
19:21.42koenPigi: and a few ipkg versions back an error in 1 package caused nothing to be done
19:22.09koenPigi: ipkg install x y z (with z being faulty) would not install x and y
19:22.16pb_koen: that sounds rather dubious.  libfontconfig1 is the correct name of the package.
19:22.16koendunno if that's been fixed
19:22.25pb_if you are encountering a fontconfig.ipk, that is probably a bug
19:22.38pb_but, furthermore, file overlaps should cause ipkg to fail during unpacking, not during configuring.
19:23.07koenthe latest (and greatest?) fontconfig produces fontconfig*.ipk
19:23.12Pigikoen, I'm not sure that your last sentence is correct, as the upgrade has ever worked this way
19:23.38koenPigi: that last problem was in ipkg install
19:23.55pb_koen: then the latest fontconfig is, regrettably, broken
19:24.41pb_in particular, that will break any existing binaries with dependencies on libfontconfig1 (i.e. almost all of them)
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19:24.47PigiI'm even unsure that the install was working this way, but I could be wrong.  And btw we were talink on upgrade.....
19:27.47koenpb_: is stuff in /etc supposed to be part of (lib)fontconfig or fontconfig-utils?
19:28.12koenspecically:
19:28.13koen./etc/fonts/fonts.conf
19:28.13koen./etc/fonts/fonts.dtd
19:28.13koen./etc/fonts/local.conf
19:28.35pb_local.conf shouldn't exist at all anymore; the other two files should be in libfontconfig1
19:29.20koenthis should be the local.conf fontconfig ships by default
19:29.56pb_oh, right, the one that just contains comments?
19:30.06pb_in that case, that should be in libfontconfig1 also
19:30.09koenthat one
19:32.04koenPackaged contents of fontconfig into /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/deploy/ipk/libfontconfig1_2.2.95-r4_arm.ipk
19:32.15pb_very good
19:32.24koenthe AUTO_LIBNAME_PKGS = "fontconfig-utils" in the .bb is causing troubles
19:33.01pb_that sounds pretty bogus.  who added that?
19:33.17pb_fontconfig-utils is the only package you _don't_ want renamed.
19:35.13pb_as far as the branch goes, you probably want to just remove the offending line.
19:35.46pb_for -dev, I guess you should identify the culprit and make them fix it properly
19:36.38shadowsJustinP: linux-openzaurus-2.6.15r2
19:37.01shadowsit will resume if i suspend for less than 2 minutes
19:37.03koenhttp://pastebin.com/538930
19:37.12koenRP: could you fix fontconfig in .dev?
19:37.15shadowsJustinP: otherwise, it does not resume.  
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19:40.45JustinPshadows: hmmm..I haven't used 2.6 much myself. I hope to test more soon....
19:44.26JustinPshadows: but I've had my Z suspended with 2.6 for most of a day now...let's see....
19:46.27shadowsJustinP: everyone except me has this working
19:48.02RPkoen: I'll look at it. I suspect there are some subtle bugs in the AUTO_LIBNAME_PKGS as my conclusion last time was the logic was inverted
19:48.25RPi.e. you needed specify the names of the packages you didn't want auto-named
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19:53.38JustinPshadows: well, I turned it on, then it turned itself off again (?) then turning it on again worked
19:53.45JustinPshadows: want to try the image I'm running?
19:53.50shadowsplease
19:54.00shadowsrootfs tarball and kernel please, for c3000?
19:54.12shadowsthe cavet is i'm running hda6 as my rootfs
19:54.20JustinPshadows: it's e-image-core, BTW, my new gpe/opie images aren't done yet
19:54.23JustinPhehe
19:54.25shadows:)
19:54.37JustinPwell...I'd have to recompile the kernel for that, right?
19:54.43shadowsoh
19:54.48shadowsyou changed back to default partitioning?
19:54.59JustinPno, but I'm running from hda1 for 2.6 right now
19:55.04shadowsokay
19:55.08JustinPI just backed it up and overwrote it
19:55.34shadowsthat's not a trouble to change the rootfs args for the kernel is it?
19:55.39Pigikoen, in your previous example obviosly package c should depends on b (new-revision) isn't it ?
19:55.44shadowsi mean, it should be a fairly straighforward and documentable process
19:55.50shadowswithout recompiling
19:55.56JustinPcan I?
19:56.02shadowsi would think so
19:56.09shadowswhat format is the zImage
19:56.18JustinP::shrug::
19:56.40CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r40829548... 10/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.2.95.bb: fontconfig: remove troublesome AUTO_LIBNAME_PKGS = "fontconfig-utils" to avoid issues with the debian renamer
19:56.41shadowslet me worry about that detail, i suppose
19:56.46koenPigi: yes, a,b and c are all new revisions of installed packages, with one package depending on a 'bad' package
19:57.15Pigiok
19:58.45JustinPshadows: np, recompile is easy
20:01.05JustinPalthough not too fast....poor little celeron....
20:01.22JustinPpatching
20:02.13shadowsheh.  my athlon64 3000+ xp churns through the kernel recompile in a reasonable amount of time.  it still takes a long long time to do a whole system build
20:02.26shadowsi'd like to eliminate all bugs pertaining to amd64 build hosts
20:02.35Ifaistoshello !
20:02.42simcop2387shadows just watch out for the sqlite build problem on amd64, thats the only build problem i've run into
20:02.50koenPigi: I have reproduced it
20:03.05shadowssimcop2387: documented in the bug tracker, finally :)
20:03.25Pigigood, as I have some trouble in upgrade, but can't reproduce the  same behaviour you say.
20:03.30IfaistosDoes anyone now why libgcc_s.so.1 is not added when creating bootstrap-image ?
20:03.50Ifaistosas a result init fails... :(
20:04.08JustinPIfaistos: what distro, machine, kernel, etc?
20:04.12simcop2387hmm i don't think i had that problem
20:04.37Ifaistosepia / familiar unstable
20:06.06Ifaistoslocal.conf -> http://pastebin.com/538969
20:06.44koenPigi: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.756.png
20:07.30koenPigi: the link to the status file is in the bugreport
20:08.59Pigiwell, xkbd is installed ( at least for status file )
20:09.33Pigilibfontconfig is not-installed ( as expected by the screenshot )
20:09.42koenthe last case only dealt with fontconfig vs libfontconfig1
20:09.59koenPigi: if it's not installed, then why does 'ipkg upgrade' says 'nothing to do'?
20:10.33pb_"ipkg upgrade" only upgrades packages that are installed.
20:10.49Pigiright
20:11.17PigiI think upgrade fails because of a wrong check in status ....
20:11.26koenit *was* installed before the 'pkg upgrade'
20:12.05Pigisorry, koen. Who ( or even what ) was installed before ? fontconfig or libfontconfig ?
20:12.14koenboth
20:12.36koenlibfontconfig has a newer version in the feed
20:13.11Pigiwell, fontconfig is still installed ( according to status )
20:13.38koenyes, since that one wasn't an upgrade candidate
20:13.39Pigiin his 2.2.95-r4 version.
20:14.26Pigiand libfontconfig ( which fail, because of "not-installed" ) state has a 2.2.95-r5 version.
20:14.40koenyes, and an r3 installed before the upgrade
20:14.56koen2.2.95-r3 to be exact
20:15.35Pigiso, r3 has been removed, and r5 failed on install.
20:15.43koenyes
20:16.08PigiI know why ( maybe )...
20:16.17PigiIs that 0.99.157, isn't it ?
20:16.20koenthis is with .157
20:27.06RPpb_, koen: Do we know offhand who wrote debian.bbclass?
20:27.08Pigikoen, this trouble could be mitigated with 158, but I suspect another bug too....
20:32.14simcop2387whats a good program for gaim to use to play waves on OSS?
20:32.20simcop2387or esd for that matter
20:32.27shadowsperhaps sox
20:32.33gremlin[it]someone know why KEY_CONTACTS became KEY_SEND on kernel 2.6.15 ?
20:32.33shadowssox includes the 'play' command
20:32.40pb_RP: either me or Chris, I think
20:32.48shadowsgremlin[it]: ask RP
20:32.56pb_or maybe mickey, but I don't think so
20:33.02simcop2387tried sox it doesn't want to play the waves from gaim for some reason, complains about size being 254 in the header
20:33.15Pigikoen unfortunally atm I have too much headache to look at it. I'll give a look at this tomorrow
20:34.28Pigikoen, if you have some spare time test 158 anyway as the trouble I'm having now is with Depends: part of this bug, not Replace
20:34.58gremlin[it]RP ... ;)
20:34.59Pigilater all
20:36.49RPgremlin[it]: I not noticed that change - you'll probably have to look it up in the changelogs
20:37.06gremlin[it]i'll go :)
20:38.58simcop2387anyone know if alsa works on a collie?
20:39.27RPpb_: The logic for handling AUTO_LIBNAME_PKG in debian.bbclass in puzzling me. I've just tried setting it to "fontconfig", "libfontconfig" and "fontconfig-utils". The latter two cause no renaming. The former case causes all packages to get renamed
20:40.27pb_ah yeah, it would do
20:40.52pb_AUTO_LIBNAME_PKGS won't help with the particular issue that you have.  You'll have to set PKG_foo directly.
20:41.31RPThat's a totally broken design then
20:41.59pb_well, no, it's operating as intended.  It just happens not to be intended to solve the problem that you're facing.
20:42.28RPI mean that having to set PKG_foo directly is a totally broken design
20:42.44pb_Why?
20:43.16pb_or, perhaps more to the point, what exactly is it that you feel is broken?
20:44.00RPOE shouldn't be favouring any one naming scheme
20:44.13pb_Nor does it.
20:44.42RPSetting PKG_foo = would stop any other renaming scheme from renaming that package
20:44.59pb_Indeed it would, but your point seemed to be that you wanted that package to not be renamed.
20:45.49pb_Irrespective of that, if you want to implement output-side filtering for debian.bbclass then you are very welcome to do so.
20:46.01gremlin[it]RP -> http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/linux/kernel26/include/linux/input.h.diff?r1=1.19&r2=1.20&f=h
20:46.09gremlin[it]but there is no comment ;(
20:46.12RPIn this case debian.bbclass gets it wrong. This is a problem with debian.bbclass though, not the packages metadata
20:48.06RPgremlin[it]: Was this part of the change to 2.6.15 for hh.org? Its possible some code got lost in the changeover...
20:48.19pb_That might be true, though "gets it wrong" is somewhat subjective.  Debian.bbclass is operating as it was intended to, but it's entirely possible that this is not the right thing for every package.
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20:49.22pb_I don't understand your remarks about "a totally broken design" and "favouring any one naming scheme".
20:50.31gremlin[it]RP really don't know ... i never touched include/linux/input.h ... i just notice that KEY_CONTACTS disappear ... and with the same value (231) now there is KEY_SEND ... 2.6.13-hh1 and i think this problem shlud happen on others ipaq not only h3600 i'm trying ...
20:50.55RPpb_: Say I want my own naming scheme where every package must be appended with the letter 'a'. Can OE do that if we set PKG_foo = "xxx" in random bb files - it can't
20:50.58gremlin[it]<PROTECTED>
20:51.31pb_RP: indeed not.  But, presumably, for the same reason that you don't want libfontconfig-utils renamed here, you also wouldn't want it renamed there.
20:52.29RPpb_: The ultimate aim is to enable that to be allowed
20:52.59RPor that's the only sane way to proceed anyway, otherwise we'll never have a meta-sdk again
20:54.38RPgremlin[it]: I think it will have just accidently got lost in the upgrade
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20:55.32gremlin[it]RP which ipaq u kow work (at least compile) 2.6.15 ? so i try to figure out if key have really changed name ...
20:56.30RPgremlin[it]: At a guess hx4700 but I don't use hh.org kernels
20:56.47pb_RP: so, if you _do_ want it renamed, what's the issue?
20:57.13eFfeMtried to upgrade ipkg from .155 to .158 in order to get a fix for a bug that was irritating me. however if I create ipkg_0.99.158.bb the command bb ipkg still builds 155
20:57.21eFfeMwhat am I doing wrong
20:57.42gremlin[it]ahh ok RP ...
20:57.54koeneFfeM: openslug-packages is getting in the way?
20:58.05koeneFfeM: you could try bitbake -b ipkg_0.99.158.bb
20:58.19RPpb_: My point is OE shouldn't care. A short while ago, we had the problem that packages RDEPEND on libfontconfig-utils
20:58.42eFfeMkoen bitbake -b ipkg_0.99.158.bb works!
20:59.26eFfeMactually I did bb -cclean ipkg then made the 158 bb file, and bb ipkg still builds the 155 version!
20:59.36eFfeMso i'm very puzzled
21:00.32RPpb_: We also did discuss that debian.bbclass' renaming in this case was incorrect
21:00.34pb_RP: indeed, and I seem to remember that we agreed at the time that there were two ways to fix that problem: either disable renaming of that subpackage (via PKG_xx) or add some extra logic to put RDEPENDS through the same PKG mapping that the subpackages themselves experience.
21:02.30RPAdding a PKG_xxx is not a fix, its a hack
21:04.01RPI'll add the PKG_ line but only as a temp fix as I strongly disagree with it :-/
21:05.25pb_Okay, very good.  Please remember to add RPROVIDES for the old name as well, so as not to break old binaries.
21:05.58pb_If PKG_xx offends your sensibilities that badly, I guess your best option would be to implement one of the other two plans that we've mentioned.
21:06.36RPpb_: I was only aware of one?
21:07.01pb_<pb_> Irrespective of that, if you want to implement output-side filtering for debian.bbclass then you are very welcome to do so.
21:07.03pb_that was the first one
21:07.17pb_<pb_> RP: indeed, and I seem to remember that we agreed at the time that there were two ways to fix that problem: either disable renaming of that subpackage (via PKG_xx) or add some extra logic to put RDEPENDS through the same PKG mapping that the subpackages themselves experience.
21:07.28pb_that (the second half of the sentence) was the second one
21:08.48RPpb_: ok, we really need both of them implementing. One to workarond bugs in debian.bbclass and the other to let things like meta-sdk work again
21:09.58pb_okay, very good
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21:22.55CIA-4update-modules: fix module loading during first boot
21:22.55CIA-4- Phil's patch from http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/current/6167.html
21:22.55CIA-4- this also works when ipkg intercepts update-modules in postinst.
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21:23.26koenpb_: should that also be in the release branch?
21:23.34pb_koen: yes, please
21:23.36koen(that = update-modules patch)
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21:27.00RPkoen: I've just pushed the fontconfig changes
21:29.49CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rfcce7a80... 10/packages/update-modules/ (update-modules-1.0/update-modules update-modules_1.0.bb):
21:29.49CIA-4update-modules: fix module loading during first boot
21:29.49CIA-4- Phil's patch from http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/current/6167.html
21:29.49CIA-4- this also works when ipkg intercepts update-modules in postinst.
21:29.49CIA-4- taken from .dev
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21:42.38shadowsRP: JustinP and myself have conducted a test, and we  are both C3000 owners. the same image rootfs and zimage on each of our hardware devices, on JustinP's device it suspends/resumes fine, on mine it suspends and does not resume after a while
21:42.44shadowsRP: what is the next step?
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21:47.20RPshadows: Something on your hardware must be slightly different to JustinP's. The next step would be to get a serial lead and what the suspend/resume logs and/or start doing debugging with the LED
21:47.43shadowsRP: know of any serial leads that would work?  i will buy one
21:48.08RPshadows: Get a Sharp one - I know the serialIO ones have issues with the C3000
21:48.41RPshadows: When developing the suspend/resume code, I had it turning the green LED on/off deep in the suspend code to tell me where it was getting to
21:49.04shadowsokay.  i am looking for a place in the usa that sells the sharp serial lead
21:50.07JustinPand found that it has issues
21:50.24RPJustinP: same here...
21:53.01RPshadows: I think the lead is the CE-170TS
21:53.33shadowsit is for SL-5500, says the website.   that is also workable for C3000?
21:54.38RPshadows: yes, the IO port is standard between models
21:54.43shadowsgreat
21:54.50shadowsnow to find a retailer who carries it in-stock
21:55.04shadows"parts store" has one for $118usd
21:55.06shadowsouch
21:57.18RPI went for the serialio one originally as it was a lot cheaper...
21:57.35RPThe Sharp ones seem to be in limited supply now
21:58.00JustinPyeah....sux
21:58.13RPFWIW, you can probably do the debugging you need with a serialio one - it can send data to the PC, just not send it from the PC to the handheld
21:58.20JustinPoh yeah
21:58.21JustinPheh
21:58.28JustinPshadows: where are you?
21:58.34shadowschicago vicinity
21:58.49JustinPah....I'm in the SF bay area
21:58.51shadowsebay has a seller offering the cables for $50~
21:58.55shadowswhich is more reasonable
22:00.06shadowskind of worried about getting ripped off for a cheap clone that doesn't work
22:00.24JustinPwell the serialio one is enought for output, so you should be fine
22:00.30shadowshm
22:00.31JustinPwith that one
22:00.45shadowsif i'm going to spend $20 anyways, i might as well spend a little more and get the fully capable cable
22:02.00CIA-403eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r8fb0e135... 10/packages/pvrusb2-mci/pvrusb2-mci_20060121.bb: pvrusb2-mci: added release 20060121
22:02.52eFfeMtnx koen, it works again
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22:59.02RPHmm. Attempting to drink what appears to be chinese beer upon inspection of the label was a mistake :-/
22:59.14koenheh
23:00.04PhilippeRP, avoid Finnish beer too...
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23:01.31RPThis next bottle appears to be Brazilian...
23:03.26RPit appears to at least be drinkable :)
23:09.08CIA-403philippe 07org.oe.dev * r9b98e639... 10/packages/matchbox-panel/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
23:09.08CIA-4packages/matchbox-panel/matchbox-panel_0.9.2.bb
23:09.08CIA-4* add usage of system-monitot-crash-fix.patch
23:09.08CIA-4* bump release to r7
23:09.08CIA-4packages/matchbox-panel/matchbox-panel-0.9.2/system-monitor-crash-fix.patch
23:09.09CIA-4* patch that fixes the segfaulting of the system monitor
23:09.11CIA-4* based on matchbox svn (04/02/2006)
23:20.03IfaistosDoes anyone of you guys have any idea why libgcc_s.so.1 will not be copied from the build to the rootfs ?
23:20.20Ifaistosi can'r figure out why....
23:21.00Ifaistosit seems to exist in several places -> http://pastebin.com/539265
23:21.16koenthat's a known OE bug
23:21.16Ifaistosbut not in rootfs...
23:22.03koenyou probably want to do somthing like http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/getdiff.py?id1=bda4787c4d39c0c680a67a9406b6259986ebc180&id2=a2e3bdde97045586a369322e42c6a4e342cc87b0&fname=conf/distro/familiar.conf to work around that
23:25.56CIA-403koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rb3ffd18d... 10/packages/matchbox-panel/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
23:25.56CIA-4matchbox-panel: add patch to stop system monitor from crashing
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