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00:04.13kergothFYI, scanline reports that someone is sending bitbake/oe notifications to CIA with the proejct set to YOUR_NAME_HERE (someone didnt adjust the trigger after downloading it..)
00:04.29kergoths/NAME/PROJECT_NAME/
00:04.50zeckekergoth: hehe
00:05.09JustinPyay, triple hydra
00:05.28JustinPhmmm...I've never seen "mt merge" say it was verifying revs before....that's interesting...
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00:06.21zeckemoron :}
00:07.57CIA-403justinp 07org.oe.dev * ra6a03168... 10/packages/altboot/altboot_0.0.0.bb: altboot: update spitz postinst/rm for 0.0.0 as well
00:08.01CIA-403mreimer 07org.oe.dev * r23fbf277... 10/packages/linux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): LAB-kernel: Make LAB work in a 2.6.15 kernel.
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00:14.05zeckeokay good nite
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00:29.52RP'night all
00:29.57zeckecya
00:32.04JustinPRP: have fun
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01:54.38njsJustinP: that's because the "verifying revs" message is sort of a stupid hack :-)  in fact every rev is verified, even in 'commit' and normal one-head 'merge', but verifying just a single rev is not noticeably slow, so the message is hard-coded to print as soon as a _second_ rev is verified during a single monotone run...
01:55.25JustinPnjs: ah, I see. I figured that was it since it was a triple merge
01:56.15njsyeah, since that ends up committing a second rev during the single run :-)
01:56.57njsthe message doesn't indicate anything in particular, it was just to give people a hint, since a lot of people were thinking that monotone had crashed when doing pulls and stuff...
02:11.27JustinPwell, on pulls it makes complete sense
02:11.35JustinPand it makes sense in this case as well
02:11.40JustinP*I* don't worry about it
02:11.45JustinPI'm a patient developer
02:11.57JustinPI like how monotone works so I don't sweat the wait times
02:12.01JustinPI know you're working on it
02:29.44njscool
02:29.50njsand yeah, I just have this compulsion to explain things to people.
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02:31.11JustinPnjs: you're Nathaniel from the monotone lists, right (the main monotone guy if I'm not mistaken)
02:37.48njsJustinP: yeah
02:46.05emtei think thats what it should do while its handling revs
02:50.52njshmm.
02:51.22njsopen a bug report, I guess...?
02:51.28njs...priority wishlist? ;-)
02:51.33emtelol
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04:39.51shadowsRP: i tried following your latest suggestion, it seems that the scoop stuff would need to be linked in before the things it depends on
04:39.59shadowsall a mess, heh
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04:58.05JustinPnjs: it's nice that you're hanging out here. Are you using OE as well or just hanging out as we're heavy users? ;-)
04:59.52shadowsyeah, when i mentioned it Nat, you sounded surprised that other people in the universe were using mt
05:13.06shadowsi've made a pair of commits to OE with mt, it's a useful tool
05:13.40shadowsspeed improvements are going to be vital when implemented into the OE use of mt
05:18.35JustinPshadows: you mean that when the speed is better people won't bitch about it so much?
05:18.44JustinPI think the speed is the major problem
05:18.56JustinPand the problems people had migrating to it in the beginning....
05:19.00JustinPbut it's been very stable for a while
05:19.10JustinPI think "Phil" should just bite the bullet and try it again
05:20.25shadowswell, whether or not the actual monotone upstream code base is improving, and the use of monotone in OE, are two issues not as related as you might presume them to be
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05:20.58shadowsOE devs are using what version of monotone code is implemented in the versions installed on OE servers
05:21.14shadowswhatever "that" is, needs to improve
05:21.20emtewhich afollow dev close to take advantages of speed and features
05:21.30emtefollows*
05:22.08emtethe servers have been upgraded three times since aug
05:23.00emtecurrently i belive only the roster patch for the client is not manditory
05:24.09emtethe servers are 0.21 or 0.22 i belive
05:24.38emtewhat version is monotone on now?
05:29.22shadowsgooglefortheanswer dot com
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05:46.33emteconcidering your comment i would have thought you'd have it handy
05:57.20shadowsto make wpa-supplicant viable, an update to gnutls, wpa-supplicant, and perhaps even lzo, is necessary
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06:12.56njsJustinP: I'm too poor for handhelds :-)
06:14.10njsjust hanging out since you're heavy users, and have apparently had a lot of problems that I was having trouble fully understanding...
06:15.20njscall it the "user research" part of building friendly software :-)
06:21.34JustinPnjs: well, I'm very impressed that you'd hang around. I would think that that over anything else should convince the dissenting OE devs that you're comitted to making things easier to use
06:23.26shadowshow the hell, do i build wpa-supplicant against gnutls instead of openssl
06:24.14njs*shrug* perhaps that's not the only criterion they have.  I'd be the last to argue that monotone Must Be The Right Tool For Everyone!(tm).
06:24.43njsbut, hey, I figure, hanging out can only do good, either for you guys or, if you do decide to switch, the next guys to use monotone, so...
06:30.39njs...I think I just used up my comma quota for today.
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06:46.55JustinPnjs: I personally like it just fine. I've had merge problems here and there and it *is* slow at times, but I see these things being fixed. I perceive mt as being actively developed and I like that it's new and its own thing, not building on a crufty old code-base.
06:47.03JustinPand with that I sign off
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08:58.26XorAmorning
09:00.06NA|ZzzEllo
09:02.00rob_w|mishi .. does oe inject any licenses itself  ?
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09:32.04zeckemickey|zzZZzz: ping
09:32.09koenhey zecke
09:32.12zeckemickey|zzZZzz: I have more thought of a "Bild Niveau"-Slogan
09:32.36zeckemickey|zzZZzz: One Command Any Platform Any Configurtation - OpenEmbedded. Free Trials available at http://oe.handhelds.org
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09:33.19greentuxmorning
09:33.32koen'switch platform targets as easy as socks*'
09:33.36koen'* socks not includes'
09:33.41koenincluded*
09:33.43koenhey greentux
09:34.02zeckekoen: Do you have some spare time and want to try your artistic skills?
09:34.11zeckekoen: I can print some flyers on our laserjet's :}
09:34.34koenI sadly do not have free time atm
09:34.54koenI'm about the get larted for failing to work on my bachelor assignment
09:35.09koenfailing to write the report, actually
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09:39.26gremlin[it]workbachelor assignement ?
09:43.48koengremlin[it]work: it is suppossed to be the final assignment before I get the bachelor (BSc) title
09:44.19zeckebachelor sucks anyway
09:45.36koen"bachelor chow - now with flavour!"
09:45.52koenfuturama rocks
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10:03.15greentuxok, i will start to brussel now. cu in the evening...
10:03.53zeckegreentux: cya
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10:29.16kooblaI am trying to start from a clean tree, and hang really soon: gnu-config-native does not build because cvs access has changed.
10:29.32kooblais this package still needed? or did I run into a heisenbug?
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10:36.54XorAkoen: you need to rm the old cvs dirs probably, they keep state
10:37.11XorAbah, he snuck off just before I could type that
10:37.21XorAand my autocomplete thinks koobla=koen :-)
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10:42.49zeckeI love standards... today topic "Audio compression for handheld devices"...
10:47.13lrgzecke: do you have a link ?
10:47.38_law_XorA, old cvs dirs from source dir?
10:48.06XorA_law_: yeah
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11:27.15koenlater all
11:27.39zeckekoen|away: later!
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11:40.04CoreDump|homehi
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12:02.58CoreDump|homehrw|gone: altboot is missing in .oz GPE images, is that intended?
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12:03.55zeckeCoreDump|home: I still like the 'altboot' name, I should create a neuboot alternative
12:04.10CoreDump|homehehe
12:04.30CoreDump|homeonly few people in here are going to "get" this joke =)
12:04.54zeckeCoreDump|home: these are mentally challenged anyway :}
12:05.17zeckewhat is rboot? :}
12:05.35NA|ZzzIt's missing an 'e' :)
12:05.45CoreDump|homewell, the script I stole the idea from =)
12:06.12CoreDump|home~lart locale-base
12:08.17CoreDump|homeGPE should offer a "trash old GPE settings" option on first-boot
12:08.59CoreDump|home~lart keylaunch
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12:11.47zeckepb__: you are staying the Astrid? So can we count you for Team Opie then?
12:12.29CoreDump|home=)
12:12.47XorAis there gonna be an Opie vs GPE rumble in FOSDEM :-)
12:13.08ade|deskgpe will win i feel
12:13.11mithrohi people!
12:13.40XorAgui's at dawn, first to 12 boots :-)
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12:29.25mithroXorA: ?
12:29.33XorAmithro: yeah
12:29.51mithro[13:17] <XorA> gui's at dawn, first to 12 boots :-)
12:30.06XorAmithro: 12 boots instead of 12 rounds
12:30.12pb__zecke: right, sure am
12:30.20XorAguis instead of pistols
12:30.26pb__zecke: I'll be leaving here in about an hour to travel to Brussels.
12:30.31XorAmixing my metaphors badly
12:31.17pb__zecke: and yes, I expect to receive a Team Opie t-shirt upon arrival
12:34.09ade|deskpb__: it would be too small, they only come in kiddie sizes ;)
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12:39.41ade|deskkoen|train: any chance you could make an akita image of your start of angstrom please?
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12:40.42koen|trainade|desk: when I've sorted out the crud, yes
12:40.51ade|deskcrud ?
12:41.08mithropb__: i'm in Room 109
12:41.18mithrohow long does it take for the Train?
12:41.28koen|trainade|desk: all the loose ends that make it fail
12:41.34lrgmithro: are you in Astrid ?
12:41.43mithrolrg: yes
12:41.48lrgI'm in room 323 at Novotel
12:42.00mithrothe one just around the corner?
12:42.12lrgI think so.
12:42.15ade|deskkoen|train: ah ok, is there an open bug report etc ?
12:42.15mithroI'm at the Chi-Chis TexMex restraunt around the corner from that
12:42.44koen|trainade|desk: nope
12:42.57ade|deskfair enough
12:43.32zeckemithro: sms send
12:43.33mithroi'm sitting in the corner with the laptop :P
12:43.44zeckeOE flyers? anyone?
12:43.51mithrodoes the novotel have cheap wireless?
12:43.53lrgmithro: can't see it, I've another hour or 2 to finish my presentation, ('ll be free after that :)
12:43.54koen|traindamn
12:44.05lrgmithro: no it's 60 Eu per 7 days
12:44.31mithrothe Astrid is 12 EUR per hour or 60 EUR per 7 days
12:44.50lrgmithro: must be thae same service from orange then ?
12:44.58koen|trainwow, expensive
12:45.00mithrodunno
12:45.05mithrokoen|train: yeah!
12:45.10mithroyou coming to FOSDEM?
12:45.19koen|trainyes
12:45.35koen|trainonly 4 hours and ehm... 36 minutes to go by train
12:46.01mithroso how long till you get here?
12:46.17koen|trainthat + 15 minutes to walk from station to hotel
12:46.27koen|trainso I'll be there around 19.00
12:46.37mithroahh okay
12:46.44lrgkoen|train: just in time for beer fest :)
12:46.46mithroas I said I'll be in room 109
12:46.52koen|trainlrg: yes!
12:47.10mithrodo we want to meet in the hotel before the beer fest?
12:47.25koen|trainlrg: I was planning to go to the Roy at ~20.00
12:47.37koen|trainand pobably eat something before thatp
12:47.39lrgmithro: sounds like a plan
12:48.01lrgI'll probably meet up with RP before taht as we are both in Novotel
12:48.19mithrookay
12:48.22mithrowhat time?
12:48.52koen|traineight o'clock?
12:48.57mithroyou know what? I really dislike the french language :P
12:49.05koen|trainmithro: me too
12:49.14CoreDump|homewho doesn't?
12:49.15koen|trainkoen|train: we're in the wrong part of brussels
12:49.22lrgmithro: I'll be free in about 2 hours, although I'm not sure about RP. I think he arrives at the hotel at about 2pm, but I'm not sure of his schedule
12:49.44mithrowell I'll be at the TexMex till my battery goes flat
12:49.52mithrothen I'll be in my room at the Astrid
12:50.01lrgmithro, koen|train: 8pm is okay for me
12:50.18mithrookay 8pm out side the Astrid?
12:50.23lrgyes
12:51.24mithroi'm whereing blue and a black full length coat
12:51.32mithros/whereing/wearing
12:51.51lrgI'll be wearing a green fleece
12:52.22koen|trainblue + gray coat
12:52.51ade|deskwith a pink rose, and answering to ' the rain in spain stay mainly on the...'
12:53.07lrgade|desk: heh
12:53.53lrgade|desk: that pink rose may get you some undesired male attention...
12:54.23mithrokoen|train: where are you coming from?
12:54.34ade|deskah you mean Mr bond, James bond
12:54.39koen|trainlatex-beamer rocks
12:54.49koen|trainas well as pdflatex
12:54.59koen|trainmithro: Enschede, the Netherland
12:55.18koen|trainmithro: I think you passed Hengelo on the way to WTH
12:57.26mithrokoen|train: possibly
12:58.15koen|traindoes the texmex thing have good food?
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12:58.44CoreDump|homedon't just *love* it when your first-boot hangs at the god damn locale-base postinst _yet_ _again_
12:59.04koen|trainCoreDump|home: so fix it
12:59.05mithrokoen|train: for some definitions of good
12:59.19mithrodefinately one of the better mexican restraunts I've had in Europe
12:59.19koen|trainon my corgi it aborts quite soon :)
12:59.37CoreDump|homei was told that fixing it was a) non-trivial and b) the postinst can't be run on the host-PC
13:00.05koen|traincorrect
13:00.10mithrohttp://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/806d/?cpg=26T
13:00.15koen|trainit needs ~60 mb of ram to run
13:00.19CoreDump|homekoen|away: as long as I boot from flash it dies allright, when booted from NFS that is not always the case..
13:00.22mithrokoen|train: but free wireless makes food taste better
13:01.16CoreDump|homekoen|away: as I see no one really working on that bug,IMO the postinst should be disabled until is has been fixed
13:02.30koen|trainCoreDump|home: it works great if you have either >64MB of ram or no services running
13:02.42koen|trainso making a S01locale-base-posting would aslo 'fix' it
13:03.06CoreDump|homekoen|away: really? Now that would be almost too easy heh
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13:03.32CoreDump|homemaybe the postinst should check the available RAM then
13:03.47CoreDump|homeand not run when =< 64Mb
13:03.51ade|deskwhy does it need so much ram ?
13:04.15koen|trainade|desk: because the glibc people think ram grows on trees
13:04.31ade|deskit doesn't ?
13:04.42CoreDump|homeon PCs it does =)
13:04.50pb__mithro: okay, very good
13:04.58ade|deskdamn , oh well better go plant the spagetti tree instead
13:05.04koen|trainCoreDump|home: I've seen it succeed on a h2200, which has 64mb ram. I suspect that's becuase /var wasn't in ram
13:05.34CoreDump|homewell, -de and -en work sometimes here, too
13:05.39pb__hi lrg
13:05.45koen|trainneeding a lot of ram + writing files to /tmp = OOM
13:05.47CoreDump|home-fr (why is fr in the image anyways) always b0rks
13:06.09woglindehe pb
13:06.14lrghey pb__
13:06.16pb__yo woglinde
13:06.28lrgpb__: are you in Brussels ?
13:06.40koen|trainlater all
13:06.43lrgcu
13:06.44mithrosee ya!
13:06.45woglindekoen *g*
13:06.59pb__lrg: not yet, I'm still at my office.  leaving in about 15 minutes to catch the train.
13:07.16lrgpb__: ah, i hope your trains not delayed.
13:09.04woglindehm cant make it to brussels
13:09.37woglindemaybee next year
13:13.42pb__lrg: me too.  should arrive in Brussels centre at about 2000h local time, I think.
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13:16.28lrgpb__: excellent, Were all meeting up at the astrid at 8 for the beer fest, you should just be in time.
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13:17.35pb__lrg: okay, very good.  fwiw, my cellphone number is +44 7973 869202; send me a text or something if your plans change.
13:18.22lrgokay will do
13:18.48lrgpb__: my number is +44 07974125388
13:22.32koen|tra1nwhat's the easiest way to put OE 'code' in latex without upsetting the parser?
13:23.50zeckekoen|tra1n: lgrind?
13:24.54koen|tra1nthat'd be a bit over the top
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13:29.27pb__lrg: rock
13:29.32pb__later all
13:34.12koen|tra1nzecke: it just seems to dislike the '_'
13:34.12lrgpb__: later
13:34.12zecke\_?
13:34.13koen|tra1nyeah
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13:48.41mithrokoen|train: how much does wireless on the trains cost
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13:49.19zecke|workmithro: I think it is GPRS
13:49.26zecke|workmithro: and he got a flat rate iIRC
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13:58.04mithrobastard, i would love flat rate GPRS :P
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14:00.08zecke|work"- I am working with: 2.4.27-vrs1-ATMEL, gcc 2.95.3, AT91RM9200."
14:00.18zecke|work"I am trying to understand how to speed up the boot sequence, I have read
14:00.18zecke|worksome mails and docs but I do not really understand what I have to do."
14:01.16koen|train_"don't start so much userspace" ;)
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14:19.26mithrozecke|work: get a faster everything?
14:23.59mithrolrg: well i'm going to have to abandon the TexMex soon to recharge my battery
14:24.06mithro(in about 30 minutes)
14:24.18zecke|workI'm going home now - packing some things
14:28.34lrgmithro: RP and I are coming down to meet in about 10 mins
14:28.38chouimatmorning
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14:29.36mithrolrg: okay
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14:57.14*** topic/#oe by koen|770 -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date | http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/47/4772.html | use monotone update -rjan2006prebreakage to avoid breakage
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15:31.30shadowsnjs: feature request = adding a "mode" of some kind that disallows pulls/pushes and prints an user-defined error message
15:31.50shadowsnjs: for when things get borked and developers need to alert users about downtime.   it's an idea anyways
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15:38.28XorAshadows: thats kind of pointless for an scm, if its borked just checkout yesterdays
15:39.11shadowsthere should be a way to slowly ween people from the p2p system
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15:42.36mithrocool
15:42.38mithrothe hotel next door has free wifi!
15:44.35lrgmithro: excellent, nice of them to let you use ut :)
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15:46.29mithrohe he, it just an open access point
15:47.29mithrohe he might not be working then
15:47.53mithroand i doubt it works in many other rooms of the hotel
15:51.16shadowshey erm, should i still be following koen's instructions?
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15:56.45mithrohey pb__ you arrived yet?
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16:45.33lrgmithro_: RP will be meeting us later on tonight, do you know how to get to the beer fest ?
16:46.23zeckeI will leave now torwards the airport
16:46.28zeckecya soon
16:48.49CosmicPenguinHave fun everybody
16:52.52mithro_lrg: nope
16:53.29lrgmithro: ok, I'll find out
16:54.23mithrolrg: i was just going to get a taxi
16:54.35mithroif there are others there it will be fairly cheap
16:56.29mithrorp dealing with his server?
16:56.34lrgmithro: I never realised it was that far
16:56.53lrgmithro: no openhanded are all heading out together
16:57.33lrgmithro: can you google map it for me, i'm still busy with my presentation. thanks
16:59.46mithrolrg: it's far?
17:01.35lrgmithro: I don't know where it is :( I'll check in 5 minutes and get back
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17:11.34mithroi can't figure how to get google maps to work with europe
17:14.21lrgmithro: me neither, i'll try some others
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17:23.38lrgmithro: I've just checked multimap and it looks within walking distance
17:23.58lrgmithro: I'll ask for directions at my hotel reception
17:26.21mithrolrg: okay
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17:50.36koenhi all
17:52.21koenmithro: the beerfest is well within walking distance
17:54.22mithrokoen: okay
17:54.50koenI'm in 502
17:57.20koenmithro: 20:00 outside of the astrid, right?
18:01.41mithroyes
18:01.47mithrokoen: you are at the Astrid?
18:04.34CosmicPenguinheh - I was wondering too
18:04.39CosmicPenguinthats too easy a joke
18:04.49koenmithro: yes, I'm at the astrid
18:05.09mithrokoen: i'm in 109
18:06.25koenmithro: shall I come down to your room?
18:08.07mithrokoen: up to you I have an open access point in opposite my room and just watching the simpsons
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18:10.16uv1Good evening all
18:12.52uv1I want to create a customized bootstrap-image with a customized busybox as well...
18:13.39uv1What would be the correct way to do so (without changing the task-bootstrap / busybox config in the original bb files ?
18:18.25koenmithro: ok, I'll join you for the simpsons
18:21.30JustinPuv1: copy them
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18:51.54lrgmithro, koen|away: heading for astrid soon.
18:52.02lrgcu#
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19:23.21tigger^is it possible to install apps onto the microdrive?
19:23.25tigger^there is very little room on the flash
19:24.45kergoththis is not a distribution support channel.
19:24.58kergothif you arent building things with oe, this isnt the place to ask.  #openzaurus would be the place
19:25.07tigger^oki
19:25.17tigger^thanks
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20:07.33njsshadows: hmm, yeah, I can see how that'd be handy... can you file a bug, so we don't lose it?
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23:03.52JustinP*31 files*??
23:04.13JustinPperhaps those patches should be stored on a server (like RP does)
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23:06.39CoreDump|home*phew* =)
23:07.07JustinPhehe
23:07.19JustinPwell, it really should have had its own SCM ;-)
23:07.59CoreDump|homeoh it has, but having it in OE makes rebuilding easier =)
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23:31.34lrghey all
23:32.35CoreDump|homehi lrg
23:32.35lrghi CoreDump|home
23:35.09CosmicPenguinANd what in good gravy are you doing chatting?
23:35.41lrgCosmicPenguin: ah, I'm a lightweight and have to be sober for my presentation tomorrow. :)
23:35.56lrgthey are now all away to mcdonalds
23:36.45lrgCosmicPenguin: being a light weight means I'll be going to sleep soon. such is life....
23:37.17lrgnight all
23:37.50CosmicPenguinnight
23:40.15koen|awayheh
23:40.41koen|awayalthough lrg threatened to get me really drunk on saturday evening
23:40.55CosmicPenguinits good for you
23:40.59CosmicPenguinfocuses your mind
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