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| 00:05.25 | TheMasterMind1 | good evening |
| 00:06.18 | NAiL | morning |
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| 02:00.15 | MrBryan | Does anyone know what the ASCII key codes are for the home, menu, mail, etc keys on a 5500? |
| 02:00.19 | MrBryan | or how i can find out |
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| 02:47.15 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the easiest way to create more kernel-module meta packages.. i.e. kernel-modules-sound, kernel-modules-bluetooth etc |
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| 03:17.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hey |
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| 05:02.51 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.56 | TheMasterMind1 | why does that not work in do_configure() |
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| 05:42.46 | treke|home | Evening |
| 05:42.51 | NAbyss | Ello |
| 05:43.10 | treke|home | How are things going in OE land? |
| 05:43.29 | NAbyss | Pretty slowly |
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| 06:56.05 | koen|train | good morning all |
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| 07:02.00 | _law_ | hi koen|away |
| 07:02.06 | _law_ | hi koen|train |
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| 07:13.30 | alan|laptop | good morning all |
| 07:14.24 | alan|laptop | i read something interesting, maybe you are already aware of this : uclinux has been proved as working on a sony psp |
| 07:14.26 | alan|laptop | http://www.psphacks.net/content/view/763/2/ |
| 07:18.13 | alan|laptop | even though this uses a psp targetted SDK, do you think there might be the slightest luck OE tools could help the devs of this project ? |
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| 07:40.21 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:56.08 | koen | bleh |
| 07:56.24 | koen | it seems my keys are inside the house and I am not |
| 07:58.28 | hrw|work | zecke: hi |
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| 08:08.17 | zecke | moin |
| 08:08.42 | hrw|work | zecke: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 |
| 08:11.13 | zecke | wiener (whiner..) |
| 08:11.36 | zecke | capslock handling is unchanged |
| 08:11.46 | zecke | so it was broken before... |
| 08:13.11 | zecke | hrw|work: if numlock is not working, this indicates a keymap 'bug' |
| 08:13.26 | zecke | hrw|work: it used to lock up because the keymap was broken |
| 08:13.39 | zecke | hrw|work: now it doesn't lock up any more, this didn't fix the keymap |
| 08:14.08 | zecke | hrw|work: the ROAD code has a 'fix' for CapsLock but I need to verfiy it first |
| 08:14.23 | hrw|work | ok |
| 08:14.42 | hrw|work | zecke: so now we need someone with tosa/2.4 knowledge to fix keymap? |
| 08:15.59 | zecke | hrw|work: I could take a look, but I always 'dispatched' this work |
| 08:17.48 | hrw|work | you are not the only one with it |
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| 08:19.33 | chris144 | good morning |
| 08:20.13 | RP | morning all |
| 08:22.56 | hrw|work | http://ariya.blogspot.com/2006/04/z-and-kioslave.html ;) |
| 08:27.02 | RP | :) |
| 08:27.39 | RP | angstrom boots on spitz :) |
| 08:29.32 | hrw|work | 300GB Seagate SATA for 100 USD... too bad that only in US |
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| 08:33.16 | zecke | hrw|work: wb |
| 08:33.37 | zecke | hrw|work: CapsLock is broken, and I will merge the ROAD patch to fix that |
| 08:34.47 | hrw|work | k |
| 08:36.06 | hrw|work | RP: can you look why every kernel module is in rootfs? |
| 08:36.19 | hrw|work | its 7M of modules... |
| 08:43.23 | RP | hrw|work: Probably because kernel-modules is providing virtual/kernel-hostap |
| 08:43.25 | XorA | morning |
| 08:43.26 | RP | :-/ |
| 08:43.28 | RP | hi XorA |
| 08:44.14 | hrw|work | RP: which is bug |
| 08:44.22 | RP | hrw|work: correct |
| 08:45.42 | hrw|work | RP: I also think that hostap-conf and orinoco-conf are not needed with pcmciautils |
| 08:46.21 | RP | hrw|work: I'm not sure about that... |
| 08:49.04 | hrw|work | RP: mapping for card<>driver is in driver now |
| 08:49.31 | RP | hrw|work: It doesn't fall back to userspace mappings at any point? |
| 08:49.48 | hrw|work | RP: not sure |
| 08:51.14 | hrw|work | pcmciautils 013 released |
| 08:51.51 | RP | Did anything we might need change? |
| 08:52.37 | hrw|work | brb |
| 08:58.08 | hrw|work | RP: does not look as needed to upgrade |
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| 09:07.38 | hrw|work | hi Cwiiis |
| 09:09.14 | Cwiiis | Morning hrw|work |
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| 09:10.59 | hrw|work | Cwiiis: which device (PDA) you are using? |
| 09:11.01 | hrw|work | hi Bernardo|away |
| 09:11.26 | Bernardo | good morning |
| 09:11.30 | Bernardo | hi hrw|work |
| 09:11.43 | Cwiiis | hrw|work: c700 (I have a 5500, and recently a 770 too :)) |
| 09:13.34 | Bernardo | there's a small bug in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/hostap-fw-load, it is still looking for cardctl instead of pccardctl |
| 09:14.00 | hrw|work | Bernardo: good to know - which package is it? |
| 09:14.33 | Bernardo | ipkg search claims it is from prism3-support |
| 09:15.23 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 09:15.26 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 09:16.00 | Bernardo | hi CoreDump|home |
| 09:16.16 | HuntrCkr | morning all |
| 09:16.23 | Bernardo | hi HuntrCkr |
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| 09:18.25 | ashikase | if I want to compile something (an inputmethod) for Opie/OZ, what's the quickest way to setup a development environment? |
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| 09:18.35 | hrw|work | Bernardo: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/prism3-support_1.0.0-r1_all.ipk - can you test it? |
| 09:18.50 | ashikase | are there any devimg solutions, or do I have to setup the entire bitbake/OE env? |
| 09:19.12 | hrw|work | ashikase: OZ provide cross-sdk (which lack opie headers/libs anyway) |
| 09:19.47 | Bernardo | hrw|work: ok, in a few minutes, I'm just finishing setting up myu akita |
| 09:20.24 | hrw|work | Bernardo: ok. this one has cardctl/pccardctl checks |
| 09:20.45 | ashikase | ah, i see there's a native-sdk as well? |
| 09:21.07 | hrw|work | ashikase: it is but again - noone make opie-dev packages ;( |
| 09:21.21 | ashikase | for opie, I just need the headers |
| 09:21.27 | ashikase | if necessary, I'll just copy them |
| 09:21.38 | ashikase | I'd prefer an onboard compile environment |
| 09:21.53 | ashikase | oe seems a little... much for what I want to do |
| 09:22.47 | hrw|work | understood |
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| 09:24.13 | hrw|work | hi Aman |
| 09:25.02 | Bernardo | hrw|work: Fixed, thanks! |
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| 09:28.17 | ashikase | hrw: I found the cross-sdk, but where can I download the native? |
| 09:29.20 | hrw|work | ashikase: it is in feed - split into packages |
| 09:29.24 | hrw|work | Bernardo: thx for testing |
| 09:29.55 | ashikase | my feeds must not be set properly |
| 09:29.55 | hrw|work | ashikase: I have 512M sd card now so soon will try to get native-sdk better working |
| 09:30.01 | ashikase | ah |
| 09:30.10 | ashikase | i guess I'll try the cross instead |
| 09:32.46 | RP | hrw|work: Did you see the conversation in #openzaurus yesterday about touchscreen buttons? |
| 09:33.04 | hrw|work | yes |
| 09:33.14 | hrw|work | sounds reallly nice |
| 09:33.26 | TheMasterMind1 | good evening |
| 09:33.49 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: is there any reason we use matchbox-wm_0.9.5cvs$something instead of -wm_1.0? |
| 09:33.57 | CoreDump|home | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 09:33.58 | ashikase | btw, the updated qte libs are working nicely, thanks... nice to be able to use Fn+Shift again |
| 09:34.22 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: dont know |
| 09:34.32 | CoreDump|home | I'll install and see |
| 09:34.41 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: ask koen or #gpe |
| 09:35.52 | koen | heh |
| 09:36.12 | koen | my front door looks a bit 'odd' |
| 09:36.27 | hrw|work | koen: hacked to get it? |
| 09:36.37 | hrw|work | s/hacked/whacked |
| 09:36.48 | koen | the locksmith used brute force on the lock |
| 09:37.31 | hrw|work | next time search for a burglar instead of locksmith |
| 09:38.12 | koen | the next time I won't forget my keys :) |
| 09:39.15 | hrw|work | CIA-4: ping |
| 09:39.40 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb4e30279... 10/packages/meta/e-image-core.bb: e-image-core: add X11 feed |
| 09:39.44 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r88381ea2... 10/packages/prism3-support/ (files/hostap-fw-load prism3-support_1.0.0.bb): prism3-support: fixed to work with pcmciautils, set PACKAGE_ARCH to 'all' |
| 09:39.50 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rda91f395... 10/packages/prism3-support/prism3-support_1.0.0.bb: bumped PR to same as in .dev |
| 09:39.53 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r81b55e46... 10/packages/prism3-support/ (files/hostap-fw-load prism3-support_1.0.0.bb): prism3-support: fixed to work with pcmciautils |
| 09:43.37 | CIA-4 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.oz354x * r06e16908... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Fix kernel-hostap RPROVIDES problem, enable KEXEC in defconfigs |
| 09:43.41 | CIA-4 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.oz354x * r4bd1dd8b... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf: zaurusd: Update to 20060407 svn to get softbutton updates. |
| 09:43.45 | CIA-4 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.oz354x * r973cded6... 10/.mt-attrs: Fix .mt-attrs |
| 09:44.38 | hrw|work | RP: can you add a post on oz.org about tskeys working? |
| 09:47.22 | Bernardo | hrw|work: softbuttons now work on the clamshells? |
| 09:48.04 | CoreDump|home | Bernardo: almost, we need to adjust some keymaps first, but yes |
| 09:48.31 | CoreDump|home | even the space _between_ two softkeys is mapped =) |
| 09:49.02 | Bernardo | cool |
| 09:49.11 | CoreDump|home | way cool indeed |
| 09:49.33 | Bernardo | I mean portrait |
| 09:50.11 | NAbyss | keyboard or nothing.. |
| 09:50.16 | Bernardo | at least I need to edit the virtual keyboard for pt... |
| 09:51.13 | Bernardo | well, anyone has a updated zaurusd for the akita, or I'll have to wait until tonight? ;) |
| 09:52.37 | CoreDump|home | it is of no use currently as a) the softkeys have not been mapped to the hardware keycodes yet, or b) the softkeys are not configured to do anything right now |
| 09:53.00 | CoreDump|home | it i on my todo for today however |
| 09:53.17 | Bernardo | ~hail CoreDump|home |
| 09:53.20 | ibot | ACTION bows down to CoreDump|home and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 09:53.24 | CoreDump|home | nahh |
| 09:53.29 | CoreDump|home | ~praise RP |
| 09:53.30 | ibot | All hail RP! |
| 09:56.08 | RP | hrw|work: I'll post on oz.org once the keymap is in place and working |
| 09:56.16 | hrw|work | oka |
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| 10:02.00 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: I'll re-enable the 200DPI bug work-around. The bug has not been fixed yet... |
| 10:02.34 | hrw|work | ok |
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| 10:02.47 | CoreDump|home | at least the panel menu is fixed |
| 10:03.18 | XorA | CoreDump|home: what part of the bug still exists? |
| 10:03.19 | CIA-4 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r4e688eca... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Fix kernel-hostap RPROVIDES problem, enable KEXEC in defconfigs, make 2.6.16 the default kernel. |
| 10:04.03 | CoreDump|home | XorA: everything. The unreadable window-titles you experience in most themes? That _is_ the bug. W/o bug they are perfectly readable |
| 10:04.27 | XorA | CoreDump|home: they can be patched in themes really easilly |
| 10:04.56 | XorA | CoreDump|home: remove the font line from the theme and it defaults to Gtk/Font like everything else |
| 10:05.17 | CoreDump|home | i see |
| 10:06.17 | CoreDump|home | which is about the same as running with 100DPI heh |
| 10:06.46 | XorA | IMO the themes should hard code a pixel size |
| 10:06.49 | XorA | shouldnt |
| 10:08.52 | CoreDump|home | but they don't, they use font-sizes like the rest of matchbox does. And without the bug, the font is perfectly readable. With out the bug a font-size of "7" is pretty big |
| 10:09.36 | XorA | CoreDump|home: does XXpx not mean pixels, not font size? |
| 10:09.45 | XorA | CoreDump|home: all the themes use XXpx |
| 10:10.03 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
| 10:10.08 | CoreDump|home | dunno actually |
| 10:10.42 | XorA | for example in blondie <font id="titlefont" def="Sans bold 16px" /> |
| 10:10.44 | CoreDump|home | I can only say that once every blue moon, the bug disappears, and then the title text is the same as the desktop font |
| 10:11.03 | XorA | remove the px from that line and blondie looks fine at 200dpi |
| 10:11.39 | CoreDump|home | we would need to use _MACHINE overrides then so that the other machines are not affected |
| 10:12.04 | XorA | CoreDump|home: what we need to to remove those and see if they work on 100DPI machine |
| 10:12.25 | CoreDump|home | I have one |
| 10:12.36 | CoreDump|home | can do so when I get back from work today |
| 10:12.59 | XorA | cool, that was the point I got to with "fixing" inability to test at 100dpi |
| 10:13.56 | CoreDump|home | XorA: in a perfect world, the bug in matchbox would get fixed ;) Now we need to put up with these ugly hacks :\ |
| 10:16.18 | CoreDump|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24807.png <- this is X at 100 DPI with fixed panel |
| 10:16.48 | koen | hmmm |
| 10:16.54 | koen | matchbox panel is broken |
| 10:16.58 | koen | it ships with the wrong icons |
| 10:17.18 | CoreDump|home | i was wondering about the panel icon, yeah |
| 10:17.25 | CoreDump|home | thought the use a new one now |
| 10:18.26 | koen | hmmm |
| 10:18.34 | koen | mb-panel defaults to mig icons in OE |
| 10:18.54 | koen | oh dear |
| 10:19.04 | koen | I hope matchbox did change defaults..... |
| 10:19.31 | koen | CoreDump|home: see http://pastebin.com/645784 |
| 10:19.59 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 10:20.36 | CoreDump|home | so it's probably coming from upstream |
| 10:20.41 | koen | damnit |
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| 10:25.28 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3a5a5c33... 10/packages/matchbox-panel/matchbox-panel_0.9.3.bb: matchbox-panel 0.9.3: default preference = -1 due to segfault and iconsize issues |
| 10:27.11 | CoreDump|home | problem is that this version fixes the panel-menu problems with regards to font-size |
| 10:28.45 | CoreDump|home | oops |
| 10:29.09 | XorA | ~lart winfixer |
| 10:30.09 | CoreDump|home | koen: I've just flashed a clean image with .9.3. The icon is back to normal. The old image was screwed for whatever reason |
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| 10:32.43 | schurig | koen: do you know if glibc-2.4 also has some support for non-EABI softfloat ? |
| 10:35.11 | schurig | koen: it misses bits/fenv.h, details here http://pastebin.ca/48509 |
| 10:35.18 | koen | schurig: it should have, but pb_ would be the authorative source |
| 10:35.31 | koen | schurig: ah, the glibc .bb has a remark about fenv.h stuff |
| 10:35.40 | schurig | koen: I've only seen you and ph5 in the last few monotone logs :-) |
| 10:37.07 | schurig | koen: my idea is to make a non-EABI image with softfloat, but with glibc 2.4 and gcc 4.1. Somehow I perceive EABI as too experimental right now. Maybe I'm wrong with that opinion ... |
| 10:37.25 | koen | schurig: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741 |
| 10:37.41 | koen | schurig: you can't even get real EABI yet |
| 10:37.53 | koen | schurig: since real EABI requires thumb-interwork to be enabled |
| 10:40.58 | koen | hrw|work: OZ is moving to berlios? |
| 10:41.46 | hrw|work | koen: only wiki will be there |
| 10:42.15 | koen | I see |
| 10:42.22 | schurig | hrw|work: oh, not sure if that is an improvement. Berlios is sometimes sloooooow |
| 10:42.46 | lardman|work | koen: we have people who want to write docs, which is good |
| 10:42.46 | hrw|work | schurig: I'm not docs manager - lardman|work is |
| 10:43.10 | schurig | hrw|work: at least it was 4 months ago, maybe they have improved. Usually the wiki was slow at then evenings (middle european time) |
| 10:43.29 | lardman|work | schurig: we'll have to see how things work out |
| 10:44.03 | schurig | lardman|work: I used to work in the wiki of the destar project at berlios |
| 10:44.17 | lardman|work | schurig: ah, okay |
| 10:44.21 | TheMasterMind1 | does sysvinit have any sort of debug flag? |
| 10:44.55 | schurig | lardman|work: just make some test page below http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=DeStar and access it at 19:00 MEST |
| 10:45.43 | schurig | lardman|work: but maybe it was just openfacts that was slow. And maybe they fixed that. I had page load times with 10 seconds then |
| 10:46.01 | schurig | (right now it's fast) |
| 10:46.09 | koen | TheMasterMind1: iirc it does |
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| 10:46.15 | koen | speaking of init... |
| 10:46.23 | lardman|work | schurig: Yes, it's fast now. We'll have to see how things go. As you say, they may have fixed things |
| 10:46.27 | koen | who wants to add bootchart support to OE? |
| 10:46.37 | lardman|work | schurig: hopefully anyway ;) |
| 10:46.45 | schurig | koen: who wants to add InitNG to OE? |
| 10:47.40 | hrw|work | bootchart is fud |
| 10:47.48 | hrw|work | s/fud/fluff |
| 10:47.48 | schurig | koen: I'm using initng on Debian SID here and at home, the software is quite young (and you see it), but it's fantastic fast, e.g. 8 seconds from "Freeing init memory" to start of kdm |
| 10:48.05 | koen | schurig: I do, but then I realised that we need to adapt each package that ships an initscript |
| 10:48.09 | schurig | koen: on some mere 1 GHz Athlon machine |
| 10:48.17 | hrw|work | schurig: 15s on my home machine and it can forget abot many things ;( |
| 10:48.28 | zecke | schurig: I can get faster to kdm (if that is the goal) |
| 10:48.32 | hrw|work | schurig: at work if I use initng then cups (started) does not work |
| 10:48.44 | hrw|work | zecke: init=/usr/bin/kdm? |
| 10:48.53 | schurig | hrw|work: hmm, I have cups running here and at home, no problem |
| 10:48.59 | zecke | hrw|work: no, I patch the kernel (1tic faster) |
| 10:49.08 | zecke | hrw|work: I think k* belongs into the kernel |
| 10:49.18 | schurig | hrw|work: that would be the ultimate. Thrash away those old style daemons, and write them in some proper way |
| 10:50.01 | hrw|work | ~lart linux anyway |
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| 11:02.04 | schurig | koen: your comment http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741#c8 doesn't work for me, because there is no mp_clz_tab_* in ports/sysdeps/arm |
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| 11:07.52 | schurig | koen: oh, it see, it's not there at do_munge time, but get's placed there at do_patch time |
| 11:09.14 | schurig | koen: arm-longlong.patch adds it, but it expands to "/* nothing */" if __ARM_ARCH_5TE__ is defined, which should be for Intel XScale PXA25x |
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| 13:37.42 | likewise | all: anyone tried making a .bb for librsvg from CVS? It uses libcairo instead of libart AFAIK. |
| 13:40.41 | koen | likewise: not yet |
| 13:40.50 | emte | zecke h3630,3635,3641,3650,3660,3670,3730,3760,3765,etc thats 9 that HP still has support docs for |
| 13:41.00 | koen | likewise: on x86 libcairo should be faster, but I'm not sure on arm |
| 13:41.41 | likewise | koen: ok, maybe I'll take the job. I think librsvg moves towards libcairo for future development. (and then we need to make cairo faster on ARM maybe). |
| 13:42.17 | koen | likewise: I'm still hoping for crunch support in libgcc :) |
| 13:42.23 | emte | cairo isnt exactly fast, hence it doenst have full support in e17 |
| 13:42.51 | koen | emte: depends on your backend |
| 13:43.03 | koen | emte: on my machine the glitz backend is *super* fast |
| 13:43.06 | emte | this is raster we are talking about |
| 13:43.16 | emte | the super fanatic about rendering speed |
| 13:44.19 | likewise | koen: you got a EP93xx around as well then? |
| 13:45.06 | likewise | emte: e17? |
| 13:45.13 | emte | enlightenment |
| 13:45.25 | koen | likewise: yes |
| 13:45.39 | likewise | emte: ok, I am an embedded guy, not using X much |
| 13:45.43 | zecke | emte: okay... |
| 13:46.07 | zecke | emte: Opie doesn't need glibc locales available, so for 50% of familiar it is not a Show stopper |
| 13:46.08 | emte | zecke, you questioned me on the `10+ statement |
| 13:46.16 | likewise | koen: still looking for an embeddable GPU that supports OpenGL :-) |
| 13:46.27 | zecke | emte: well, these are two hardware revisions you cite |
| 13:46.45 | zecke | likewise: OpenGL ES or how this embedded spec is named? |
| 13:46.45 | emte | yes |
| 13:47.29 | koen | likewise: i2700g from intel? |
| 13:47.39 | koen | likewise: dell uses it in their x5* series |
| 13:48.20 | koen | likewise: iirc it's inside the pxa272 SoC |
| 13:48.42 | likewise | zecke: I do not know if Glitz supports OpenGL ES yet... but yes it is interesting. |
| 13:48.50 | likewise | koen: will look into i2700g |
| 13:49.15 | likewise | OpenGL ES is mostly an (s/w) API spec, AFAIK (but I have not looked into it deeply) |
| 13:49.52 | emte | koen, what other distros are you running? |
| 13:49.52 | koen | likewise: and TI claims that omap2 and omap3 also support 3d (OGL/ES) |
| 13:50.19 | koen | emte: OZ, angstrom and some custom in-house ones |
| 13:50.43 | emte | when has OZ ran on a h36? |
| 13:51.04 | koen | when you say DISTRO="openzaurus=3.5.4" in local.conf |
| 13:51.23 | koen | that's the point of OE: distros and machines are orthogonal |
| 13:51.32 | emte | hmm, the last time i tried that it didnt like me |
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| 13:52.29 | cedric | hi all |
| 13:53.22 | koen | hey cedric |
| 13:53.26 | cedric | just wondering if the librsvg 2.11.1 is fixed in .dev |
| 13:54.10 | zecke | what is broken? |
| 13:54.57 | cedric | can't build it, can't resolve external entities to xsl files |
| 13:55.26 | zecke | cedric: is there a bug report already? |
| 13:55.36 | cedric | nope |
| 13:55.41 | cedric | :-) |
| 13:55.44 | zecke | consider creating one |
| 13:56.03 | hrw|work | bugtracker.... we definitelly need bugsquashing day(s) |
| 13:56.11 | zecke | cedric: some one just talked about librsvg... |
| 13:56.13 | zecke | hrw|work: yes! |
| 13:56.53 | hrw|work | zecke: this will also show does my machine is stable for builds... |
| 13:57.12 | hrw|work | I do not remember exactly when I build something not on ewi. |
| 13:58.23 | koen | is the libtool patch already in? |
| 13:58.26 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:58.30 | koen | cool |
| 13:58.43 | hrw|work | gtk now sucks a bit less (but still) |
| 13:58.50 | cedric | can't wait to test my first gpe image with kernel 2.6 for poodle... |
| 13:59.27 | koen | hrw|work: rm_work doesn't break anymore? |
| 13:59.49 | hrw|work | koen: it sometimes break by its own |
| 14:00.19 | hrw|work | koen: and iirc pango and/or gtk libtool still need editing by hand (but its better then it was) |
| 14:00.55 | cedric | zecke: where about that "someone"? |
| 14:01.13 | zecke | cedric: likewise wanted to build librsvg cvs - not more |
| 14:02.02 | hrw|work | ~ewi |
| 14:02.04 | ibot | hmm... ewi is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl - main backup server for OE monotone. Hosts database snapshot: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 |
| 14:02.53 | hrw|work | koen: can you setup rsyncd on ewi? |
| 14:03.20 | zecke | hrw|work: isn't ssh+rsync enough? |
| 14:03.40 | koen | hrw|work: I can't |
| 14:04.11 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:10.26 | hrw|work | someone tried to build minimo from .dev? |
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| 14:22.16 | hrw|work | hostap-modules RPROVIDES = "virtual/kernel-hostap" - they do not need to PROVIDE it or need to? |
| 14:22.52 | hrw|work | someone? |
| 14:23.25 | mickeyl | this depends on whether something else depends on it or not |
| 14:23.46 | hrw|work | hi mickeyl |
| 14:23.51 | mickeyl | hi hrw |
| 14:25.23 | hrw|work | machines in .oz354x depend/rdepend on hostap-modules(-cs) or kernel-hostap(-cs) |
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| 14:26.29 | hrw|work | hostap-daemon only RDEPEND on "virtual/kernel-hostap" |
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| 14:26.46 | koen | hey mickeyl |
| 14:27.06 | hrw|work | but I will do PROVIDES |
| 14:28.25 | koen | mickeyl: thanks for adding gperiodic |
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| 14:30.21 | mickeyl | np, it was a four liner :) |
| 14:31.01 | koen | mickeyl: the .po file I made for that was a bit longer :) |
| 14:31.06 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rdf9cea22... 10/packages/gpe-wlancfg/ (gpe-wlancfg-makefile.patch gpe-wlancfg_0.2.6.bb): drop gpe-wlancfg - gpe-conf is used to configure network |
| 14:31.10 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * raea2bd16... 10/packages/hostap/ (6 files): |
| 14:31.10 | CIA-4 | hostap-modules: hostap-modules-cs now RDEPEND on hostap-conf |
| 14:31.10 | CIA-4 | - its easier to update only hostap-conf when new card is added |
| 14:31.21 | koen | Thu Jul 29 12:18:05 EDT 1999 - Version 1.2.5 is avilable in the usual place. This version adds Dutch support provided by: Koen Kooi. |
| 14:31.28 | koen | my first contribution to open source :) |
| 14:31.33 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 14:31.51 | likewise | cedric: yes, wanted to build librsvg cvs (which now depends on libcairo instead of libart afaik) |
| 14:32.03 | likewise | koen: Congratulations :-) |
| 14:33.44 | RP | hrw|work: I suspect there is a DEPENDS issue for hostap in the branch which won't exist in .dev due to the RDEPENDS revamp in .dev |
| 14:34.10 | hrw|work | RP: in subject of last revision? |
| 14:34.50 | Genesis | RP : where shall i searsh to desactive crosshair test ? |
| 14:34.50 | RP | hrw|work: No, the PROVIDES issue you mentioned |
| 14:34.58 | Genesis | matchbox or kdrive config ? |
| 14:35.04 | hrw|work | RP: linux-openzaurus.inc also PROVIDES it |
| 14:35.11 | RP | Genesis: xserver-common-kdrive IIRC |
| 14:35.19 | Genesis | thx i look |
| 14:35.22 | RP | Genesis: If you're using poky that is |
| 14:35.45 | Genesis | yeap i use it for the moment |
| 14:35.55 | Genesis | i like it. |
| 14:36.16 | RP | hrw|work: In .dev we should only need it as a runtime entity? |
| 14:37.11 | RP | hrw|work: Unless hostap-utils has to build against it? |
| 14:37.57 | hrw|work | RP: hostap-utils probably does not need hostap modules - but is useless without them |
| 14:38.28 | RP | hrw|work: It should just have a RRECOMMEND then and we shouldn't have any DEPENDS anywhere? |
| 14:39.12 | hrw|work | RP: looks like it |
| 14:40.47 | hrw|work | I want to copy some stuff from .oz354x to .dev |
| 14:43.23 | cedric | likewise: did u succeed? otherwise there a version form the 01/04/2006 --> 2.14.3 |
| 14:43.38 | cedric | s/there/there is |
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| 14:47.12 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r629ed29d... 10/packages/zbedic/ (9 files in 3 dirs): zbedic: updated to 1.0 |
| 14:53.07 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rbb216866... 10/packages/zaurus-updater/ (tosa/updater.sh zaurus-updater.bb): zaurus-updater: added zImage.bin to tosa updater.sh |
| 14:57.57 | koen | ~lart http://www.ripe.net/fcgi-bin/webupdates.pl |
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| 15:02.32 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r63e51933... 10/packages/groff/ (groff_1.19.1.bb groff_1.19.2.bb): |
| 15:02.32 | CIA-4 | groff: fixed paths so manpages are packaged |
| 15:02.32 | CIA-4 | - disabled PARALLEL_MAKE |
| 15:04.03 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r2667e0b5... 10/packages/otpkeygen/otpkeygen_1.3.0.bb: otpkeygen: install correct binary |
| 15:08.30 | jnc | debian sid has changed its use of wpa_supplicant |
| 15:08.57 | jnc | the "new way" is to start wpa_supplicant daemon on demand, before interface goes up |
| 15:09.54 | likewise | cedric: sorry I am not buildling now, but I will see about librsvg 2.4.13 |
| 15:10.07 | likewise | cedric: thanks for the pointer |
| 15:10.51 | likewise | cedric: did you mean 2.4.13 is in OE? I updated yesterday, but I have 2.11.1 |
| 15:11.07 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r8a44e2ba... 10/packages/meta/ (6 files): |
| 15:11.07 | CIA-4 | bootstrap/gpe/opie/sectest-gpe/e/pivotboot images: dropped openzaurus/opensimpad feed urls |
| 15:11.07 | CIA-4 | - they pointed to openzaurus.org which does not have feeds |
| 15:11.07 | CIA-4 | - .dev is not for release stuff |
| 15:13.20 | cedric | like|gaming: sorry 2.14.3, need to add a new bb file, I'll try tonite/this weekend |
| 15:13.54 | hrw|work | ~lart 'find' on ewi |
| 15:14.01 | hrw|work | hrw@bitbake:~/devel/oe/org.openembedded/packages$ find initscripts/initscripts-1.0/ -name keym* |
| 15:14.04 | hrw|work | find: paths must precede expression |
| 15:14.09 | hrw|work | what is wrong? |
| 15:14.20 | zecke | hrw|work: -name 'keym*' |
| 15:14.32 | hrw|work | argh.. in sid it work without '' |
| 15:14.40 | hrw|work | thx |
| 15:15.54 | pb__ | it'll work without '' if you don't have any files matching "keym*" in the current directory |
| 15:16.24 | pb__ | I don't think the version of find actually has anything to do with it. |
| 15:16.45 | hrw|work | ah.. ok |
| 15:22.27 | Bernardo | hrw|work: in the image I built last night (oz354x) the cardmgr applet seems to have stopped working with the transition to pcmciautils |
| 15:22.50 | hrw|work | Bernardo: yep - we need to disable it |
| 15:23.15 | Bernardo | :( |
| 15:24.00 | Bernardo | we don't have a alternative yet, right? |
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| 15:32.36 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r94b56490... 10/ (33 files in 20 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:32.36 | CIA-4 | keymaps handling moved from initscripts to keymaps package |
| 15:32.36 | CIA-4 | - loading keymap require loadkeys from console-tools (which takes 300K) |
| 15:32.36 | CIA-4 | - all Zaurus machines (except collie) will get this package installed |
| 15:32.36 | CIA-4 | - collie 2.4 keymap is the same as kernel one so it is not needed on device |
| 15:32.38 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.40 | CIA-4 | Zaurus machines conf: dropped console-tools from RDEPENDS, added keymaps instead |
| 15:38.33 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r207ae6e0... 10/packages/meta/meta-opie.bb: |
| 15:38.33 | CIA-4 | meta-opie: install opie-pcmciaapplet only on 2.4 machines |
| 15:38.33 | CIA-4 | - 2.6 ones will get pcmciautils and opie-pcmciaapplet needs pcmcia-cs |
| 15:40.20 | hrw|work | enough for today |
| 15:40.53 | hrw|work | I think that most of my 3.5.4x work in now in .dev too - if something is fscked then someone will notice and complain |
| 15:41.15 | RP | hrw|work: Looks good to me - all nice to have in .dev :) |
| 15:41.52 | hrw|work | RP: we need to think how to handle switch "pcmciautils" <> "pcmcia-cs hostap-conf orinoco-conf" |
| 15:42.41 | hrw|work | bluez-utils-(no)dbus contain /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth.conf which is also not needed with pcmciautils rather... and other pcmcia.conf files |
| 15:42.55 | hrw|work | ok time to go home - cu all |
| 15:43.01 | Bernardo | bye hrw|work |
| 15:43.04 | RP | hrw|work: In bitbake.conf we declare PCMCIAUTILS as "pcmciatutils" and PCMCIACS as "pcmcia-cs hostap-conf orinoco-conf" ? |
| 15:43.15 | RP | cu hrw|gone |
| 15:43.27 | hrw|gone | RP: sounds ugly |
| 15:43.27 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 15:44.00 | RP | hrw|gone: task-pcmcia and task-pcmciacs perhaps... |
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| 15:58.33 | Genesis | bonne soiree |
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| 16:35.14 | zecke | so when is our bug squashing day? |
| 16:36.03 | koen | zecke: propose a date on oe@ |
| 16:38.55 | zecke | during a weekend is best :) |
| 16:39.07 | zecke | I'm currently trying to generate reports... |
| 16:42.53 | koen | zecke: looking at the last few weeks, it seems that people are most active during weekdays |
| 16:43.42 | zecke | http://bugs.kde.org/reports.cgi?product=konqueror&output=show_chart&datasets=NEW%3A&datasets=ASSIGNED%3A&datasets=REOPENED%3A&datasets=UNCONFIRMED%3A&datasets=RESOLVED%3A&banner=1 |
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| 16:44.53 | zecke | treke|home: ping |
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| 16:58.52 | koen | heh |
| 16:58.54 | koen | "If it worked, we wouldn't need a bug reporting system." |
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| 17:04.38 | RP | koen: For bugfixing, a weekend or evening would be best for me as otherwise it will be tricky with work :-/ |
| 17:05.24 | zecke | what is our goal? |
| 17:05.33 | zecke | Close Bugs? What kind of bugs? |
| 17:05.47 | zecke | Generally improve infrastructure to find bugs more easy? |
| 17:06.01 | RP | zecke: Apply patches, fix reported bugs and try and reduce the amount of open bugs |
| 17:10.22 | zecke | RP: fridays are good, or do you put deadlines in fridays? |
| 17:12.34 | RP | zecke: Fridays are bad for me as usually about now I'm in a pub ;-) |
| 17:12.47 | zecke | RP: no Wireless in your pub? |
| 17:12.59 | RP | zecke: Unless you think I fix bugs better when I'm not sober :) |
| 17:13.00 | zecke | RP: by what time are you pissed? |
| 17:13.12 | zecke | usually... |
| 17:13.28 | RP | zecke: Arguably, some of my best code has been written on Friday evenings mind ;-) |
| 17:13.40 | RP | Or early Saturday morning :-/ |
| 17:14.04 | RP | zecke: No wireless I've managed to break into yet... |
| 17:14.32 | zecke | OT: Is the o-hand crew scattered or do you have one office where you all sit together? |
| 17:14.42 | RP | zecke: I'm usually back by 10pm but not entirely sober :) |
| 17:14.48 | RP | zecke: scattered |
| 17:15.19 | RP | zecke: One person is 100 miles north, the next nearest 300 miles south :) |
| 17:15.30 | RP | "usually" means I'll be leaving shortly btw ;-) |
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| 17:18.53 | mickey|bbiab | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18700&hl= |
| 17:18.56 | mickey|bbiab | what do you think about that? |
| 17:20.39 | koen | mickeyl: let's start our own research institute :) |
| 17:20.52 | mickeyl | koen: on my way ;) |
| 17:21.02 | koen | mickeyl: I wonder what the difference is betweeen their distro and 'MACHINE=n30 bitbke gpe-image' |
| 17:21.14 | mickeyl | koen: the difference is the "hh.org build scripts" |
| 17:21.16 | mickeyl | *cough* |
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| 17:21.52 | mickeyl | considering that they base on GPE they should donate some percents of their sales to hh.org |
| 17:21.58 | mickeyl | or the GPE team, for that matter |
| 17:22.08 | mickeyl | imo |
| 17:22.09 | koen | or send a mail to gpe@ |
| 17:22.27 | mickeyl | then again |
| 17:22.29 | mickeyl | ~emulate zautrix |
| 17:22.31 | ibot | this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away |
| 17:22.32 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:22.50 | koen | just point TT to their site |
| 17:23.12 | koen | I bet they'll get all redfaced about the 'x is faster as framebuffer' |
| 17:23.19 | mickeyl | hehe, yep |
| 17:23.40 | koen | ah well |
| 17:23.50 | koen | angstrom still has the coolest installer ;) |
| 17:23.50 | zecke | he what about the award winning Qtopia? |
| 17:24.00 | zecke | Opie died on his demand anyway... |
| 17:24.17 | mickeyl | yeah. we let it die just because of his editorial and now... he doesn't even use qtopia |
| 17:24.18 | mickeyl | what a shame |
| 17:24.31 | mickeyl | ~lart guylhem |
| 17:24.45 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc0c009a8... 10/packages/konqueror/konqueror-embedded_svn.bb: konqueror-embedded-svn: fix DEPENDS line |
| 17:25.58 | mickeyl | hrw|gone: ping |
| 17:26.08 | zecke | ~lart guylhem |
| 17:26.27 | mickeyl | hrw|gone: if you have a bit of time... could you cook konq_svn + qt-mt-static and have a go at that w/ 3.5.4 (or 3.5.4.x) |
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| 17:35.07 | koen | RP: enjoy :) |
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| 17:51.57 | mickeyl | 27000848 2006-04-06 21:41 opie-image-c7x0-20060406094017.rootfs.img |
| 17:52.00 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:52.04 | mickeyl | how could that get so large? |
| 17:52.19 | mickeyl | this breaks c700 and c750 |
| 17:53.43 | koen | check the ipkg status file |
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| 17:55.15 | zecke | mickeyl: modules? |
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| 18:12.30 | mickeyl | possible. need to investigate |
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| 18:26.42 | zecke | http://www.letux.org/releases/Quick%20Start%20Letux%20on%20Acer%20n30.pdf |
| 18:26.43 | zecke | lol |
| 18:26.52 | zecke | they refer to their site as letox.org |
| 18:29.45 | koen | I noticed |
| 18:29.47 | koen | I also noticed you can't buy it yet |
| 18:30.34 | zecke | hmm where is Qtopia4.1 support for LeTux |
| 18:30.38 | zecke | I want VoIP :} |
| 18:30.51 | like|gaming | zecke: V=Voice? Video? |
| 18:34.32 | Bernardo|away | mickeyl: do you want me to try building konq_svn for 3.5.4.1? |
| 18:35.45 | zecke | externe.net is also... |
| 18:36.40 | zecke | koen: "Thanks to X11 support, is offers a faster display than most framebuffer based systems equipping other free software handhelds." |
| 18:36.51 | zecke | koen: So X is faster because it does not use a FrameBuffer? |
| 18:37.10 | koen | zecke: maybe the n30 has a real video chip with x accell drivers |
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| 18:38.18 | koen | zecke: It's kinda susupicous trolltech doesn't publish benchmarks and comparisons |
| 18:38.45 | zecke | koen benchmarks can be faked |
| 18:39.11 | koen | yeah, TT would obviously need to ly ;) |
| 18:39.14 | koen | lie |
| 18:39.16 | koen | hrm |
| 18:39.17 | ljp | puh |
| 18:40.20 | zecke | koen: I think QtE is more efficient that kdrive |
| 18:40.37 | zecke | koen: see the Stuff you do with EXA and the issues you have... buffer management |
| 18:40.50 | zecke | koen: QtE's buffer support is way better ;) |
| 18:41.08 | koen | zecke: could be, show me some real numbers of repeatable benchmarks |
| 18:41.22 | koen | proof by hand waving does not impress me |
| 18:41.24 | ljp | thats what you should do |
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| 18:56.00 | zecke | ljp: any news on Qtopia4.1 GPL? |
| 18:58.29 | emte | strange and weird, the alphagrip is |
| 19:21.07 | joshua_ | hmm, an SD card is hardly "pre-installed" on a device |
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| 19:51.29 | emte | joshua_, that would be the same thing as how most sim devices work would it not? |
| 19:53.30 | emte | my guess would be that the term refers to shipping conditions |
| 19:53.50 | emte | ex. digital cameras, cellphones etc |
| 19:54.07 | zecke | joshua_: maybe it has a special bootloader flashed ;) |
| 19:54.31 | zecke | joshua_: maybe you can't remove the SD card without violating DMCA or DRM systems... |
| 19:55.00 | emte | lol |
| 19:55.11 | emte | i would think its just extra storage so they can advertise it as a "media player" as well |
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| 19:56.17 | zecke | RP_: where do you host rpsys.net? |
| 19:59.32 | joshua_ | emte, no, no, it evidnetly boots off of the SD, and otherwise runs windows |
| 19:59.49 | joshua_ | "it runs Linux natively! it's preinstalled!" ... if you boot from SD |
| 20:00.46 | zecke | joshua_: if we are talking about letux.org, you can remove ppc and install linux as well |
| 20:00.53 | zecke | joshua_: it was somewhere on the site as well |
| 20:02.25 | joshua_ | hmm |
| 20:04.54 | emte | ahh |
| 20:05.12 | emte | os on a chip systems |
| 20:07.50 | hrw|husky | hi |
| 20:08.28 | hrw|husky | mickeyl: I can check konq/e 3.5 but probably not during weekend |
| 20:09.06 | hrw|husky | mickeyl: which srcdate is good to test? 20060102 is a bit old probably.. |
| 20:09.32 | mickeyl | hrw|husky: hi. 20060404 |
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| 20:11.28 | *** topic/#oe is OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date |
| 20:11.34 | hrw|husky | ~hail anonymous donor for pretec wifi card |
| 20:11.35 | ibot | ACTION bows down to anonymous donor for pretec wifi card and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 20:12.08 | zecke | hrw|husky: oh, I fear it is not on ewi |
| 20:12.33 | hrw|husky | ok. can do build at work |
| 20:13.44 | hrw|husky | first some rm.. |
| 20:14.27 | koen|tv | whichi debian package provides dcip-idl? |
| 20:14.30 | koen|tv | which* |
| 20:14.35 | hrw|husky | someone know how much does portrait vga linuxpda costs now? |
| 20:14.44 | koen|tv | hrw|husky: a lot |
| 20:15.03 | koen|tv | hrw|husky: unless you buy a dell which will break down after a week |
| 20:15.31 | hrw|husky | koen|tv: kdelibs4-dev |
| 20:15.39 | gremlin[it] | really a dell is so fragile ? |
| 20:15.57 | hrw|husky | ok. so ill stay with collie/shit and c760 |
| 20:16.04 | zecke | gremlin[it]: dell is crap - regardless of what they produce |
| 20:16.19 | hrw|husky | but dell is good for p0rn |
| 20:16.31 | zecke | and porn is good, so dell is good |
| 20:16.33 | koen|tv | Get:19 http://ftp.nl.debian.org unstable/main kdelibs4-dev 4:3.5.2-2 [1388kB]Fetched 13.7MB in 1s (11.6MB/s) |
| 20:16.47 | hrw|husky | koen|tv: a bit slow... :) |
| 20:16.55 | koen|tv | :) |
| 20:17.06 | koen|tv | they still won't allow me to use the Gbit interface |
| 20:17.29 | gremlin[it] | mhhh i have a dell laptop and never had problem ... also desktop machine ad university was good .... |
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| 20:17.56 | hrw|husky | zecke: nice monologue on #opie |
| 20:18.34 | zecke | hrw|husky: hehe, is he on your ignore list |
| 20:18.43 | hrw|husky | koen|tv: they do not want you to saturate connection |
| 20:18.56 | hrw|husky | zecke: l1nux or nesse? :) |
| 20:19.16 | zecke | hrw|husky: l1nux |
| 20:19.17 | zecke | | /home/ich/hacking/embedded/oe/builds/c7x0/tmp/work/i686-linux/quilt-native-0.42-r0/temp/run.do_compile.9566: line 629: make: command not found |
| 20:19.19 | hrw|husky | koen|tv: 2 networds cards.. |
| 20:19.26 | koen|tv | heh |
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| 20:20.19 | zecke | RP_: may I extend your sanity bbclass? |
| 20:21.58 | hrw|husky | RP_: speaking about pcmcia-cs/pcmciautils.. i would rather use base_conditionals in machine confs and move pcmcia_manager into distro conf |
| 20:22.44 | hrw|husky | mickeyl: pcmciautils does not need /etc/pcmcia/*.conf files - right? |
| 20:24.11 | mickeyl | right |
| 20:24.41 | mickeyl | hrw|husky: do you have any idea why recent opie-image in .dev is so chunky? |
| 20:24.46 | mickeyl | 26MB |
| 20:24.58 | mickeyl | doesn't fit a c700 or c750 |
| 20:25.17 | hrw|husky | RP, mickeyl: but if we use pcmciautils then hostap-conf/orinoco-conf will not be needed due to mapping in driver then: 1. some users will complain that their cards are not working (lack of map) 2. how to deal with hostap modules rdepending on hosatp-conf? |
| 20:25.25 | hrw|husky | mickeyl: kernel-modules |
| 20:25.35 | mickeyl | hrw|husky: darn. what can i do to remove those? |
| 20:25.38 | hrw|husky | mickeyl: rebuild kernel if not latest |
| 20:25.55 | mickeyl | i did that. why do we have DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1 in the 2.6.16 one? |
| 20:25.57 | hrw|husky | iirc RP fixed that today |
| 20:26.18 | mickeyl | ah |
| 20:26.19 | zecke | mickeyl: update :) |
| 20:26.19 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 20:27.29 | mickeyl | l8er |
| 20:27.50 | hrw|husky | jezz.. its pulling here (271 revs) sine 16... |
| 20:27.57 | mickey|tv | hrw|husky: we need to do some thorough tests re. the new pcmcia mapping |
| 20:28.58 | hrw|husky | mickey|tv: thats why 3.5.4.1-aplha2 is with pcmciautils - i already removed opie-pcmciaapllet from opie-image/2.6 |
| 20:30.19 | hrw|husky | ~lart ipkg for being slooooow with oz feeds |
| 20:31.44 | hrw|husky | hm.. we have "maintainer" not "Maintainer" in packages.. |
| 20:32.44 | zecke | hrw|husky: oh |
| 20:33.46 | zecke | koen|tv: Isn't apt written in c++? |
| 20:33.55 | hrw|husky | koen|tv:will yoou patch it to not use /var? |
| 20:34.18 | hrw|husky | zecke: he has lot of unused flash space.. |
| 20:37.36 | hrw|husky | zecke: libopie recipes need to be changed so -dev will get built |
| 20:41.04 | hrw|husky | cu - battery ending |
| 21:04.55 | zecke | hrw|gone: yes, I have the beginning of a patch for that already |
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| 21:16.18 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rba0fa166... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom-2006.9: insist a bit harder on using the right toolchain bits for EABI to reduce PEBKAC problems |
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| 21:17.13 | koen | ERROR: dependency glibc-charmap-utf-8 (for e-image) not satisfied |
| 21:17.14 | koen | NOTE: no buildable providers for e-image |
| 21:17.16 | koen | hrm |
| 21:17.29 | koen | why does e-image seems to be perpetually broken? |
| 21:20.29 | zecke | RP_: hey! |
| 21:20.38 | RP | zecke: hi :) |
| 21:20.46 | RP | zecke: Why the question about rpsys.net? |
| 21:22.34 | zecke | RP: I need to find a place where to 'host' some of my services |
| 21:23.26 | zecke | RP: I have done some changes to sanity.*. Should I send you a patch, or can I commit it? |
| 21:23.37 | zecke | RP: I'm checking for ${USER} (no just kidding)... |
| 21:23.48 | RP | zecke: Feel free to upgrade it |
| 21:23.58 | zecke | RP: I'm running the test exactly once, I'm checking for executables as well |
| 21:24.03 | zecke | RP: make, patch, diffutils |
| 21:24.16 | RP | zecke: Sounds good to me - something I wanted to do |
| 21:26.15 | RP | zecke: rpsys.net isn't really hosted anywhere but is a couple of ADSL lines to different locations with an understanding service provider (or used to be anyway)... |
| 21:27.03 | zecke | RP: ah okay, you only have a DNS available |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-4 | 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rb41b048c... 10/ (classes/sanity.bbclass conf/sanity.conf): |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-4 | conf/sanity.conf: |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-4 | classes/sanity.bbclass: |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.01 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.42 | zecke | RP: I will spend the next movie in hacking the cache :) |
| 21:29.02 | zecke | s/in/with/ |
| 21:29.37 | RP | zecke: I run the primary myself and have the secondary hosted independently (along with a secondary MX) |
| 21:30.18 | zecke | RP: I want to do a small survey but my Uni disabled php/mysql/cgi due breakins |
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| 21:30.47 | RP | zecke: This was the kind of reason I run my own servers... |
| 21:31.02 | RP | It has mixed benefits... |
| 21:31.48 | koen | disabling mysql is the only wise thing you can do with mysql |
| 21:32.12 | RP | zecke: On my wishlist for sanity.bbclass is checking for symlinks in the paths |
| 21:33.02 | zecke | RP: I'm 'green' I turn off as my electronic as possible ;) |
| 21:33.16 | zecke | RP: so running a server myself (dyndns.org) is not an option |
| 21:36.09 | RP | zecke: You'd probably go green at the number of computers doing things here :-/ |
| 21:36.57 | polyonymous | :-))) |
| 21:37.27 | RP | zecke: Admittedly, rpsys.net does do several different roles though |
| 21:38.50 | gerwinin | damn atmel controllers |
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| 21:40.06 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 21:40.36 | RP | hi CoreDump|home |
| 21:45.36 | gerwinin | Somebody experience with gps receivers ? |
| 21:47.04 | koen | hey CoreDump|home & gerwinin |
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| 21:48.10 | W8TVI | what kind of gps? |
| 21:48.43 | koen | if it's supported by gpsd it shouldn't be a problem |
| 21:54.55 | zecke | kergoth: ping |
| 21:56.27 | RP | zecke: Does BuildStart get run even when you use bitbake -b ? |
| 21:56.46 | zecke | it should, otherwise we would have to use PkgStarted |
| 21:58.43 | RP | zecke: I seem to remember having this problem. I'll test at some point |
| 22:03.30 | CIA-4 | 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * rbdc6f8c0... 10/packages/keymaps/ (4 files in 4 dirs): keymaps: Include softkey mapping from .oz354x for SL-Cxxxx |
| 22:03.33 | CIA-4 | 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * refd0638b... 10/packages/keylaunch/ (4 files in 4 dirs): keylaunch: Add default mapping for the LCD softkeys on SL-Cxxxx |
| 22:04.09 | zecke | kergoth: could you add survey.openembedded.org to point to 213.239.211.73? |
| 22:06.39 | zecke | RP: do you have the 'build' with the broken bitbake around? |
| 22:08.49 | RP | zecke: I can probably recreate it tomorrow - I just reverted to svn r410 or something... |
| 22:09.20 | RP | zecke: atm, its busy in a glibc build and I'd prefer to leave it alone :) |
| 22:09.35 | zecke | RP: it would be interesting to see if a stamp was created |
| 22:09.42 | zecke | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r3: task do_package: started |
| 22:10.26 | koen | zecke: what kind of survey do you want to do? |
| 22:11.01 | zecke | koen: Should "xyz" (where xyz could be koen) be kicked out of the OE 'Team' |
| 22:11.06 | RP | zecke: It can't have been a stamp as wiping the cache changed the behaviour |
| 22:11.13 | koen | zecke: cool |
| 22:11.15 | zecke | koen: I would like to get an idea for who we are working for |
| 22:12.01 | koen | zecke: letux.org ;) |
| 22:12.16 | zecke | koen: they use cross tools ;) |
| 22:12.30 | gerwinin | Koen: do you have any experience with ttl on a gps module ? |
| 22:12.30 | zecke | koen: where you able to download the SD card? |
| 22:12.37 | koen | zecke: I wasn't |
| 22:12.54 | zecke | koen: florian should revoke the GPE license for letux.org :} |
| 22:13.20 | koen | gerwinin: after fighting with cmos and ttl I gave up on line level adjustments |
| 22:14.20 | RP | zecke: You'll have to be careful to define "who". I work for several different masters :) |
| 22:14.30 | gerwinin | koen: I am planning to do so as well , I got now a buetooth heartmonitor working and since I am working with this gps module I only have boiling plastics |
| 22:14.55 | gerwinin | Koen : I think I have to live with a hearthmonitor without gps than :) |
| 22:15.01 | koen | bluetooth heartmonitor.... |
| 22:15.03 | zecke | RP: well, I will learn about surveys and abuse OE ;) |
| 22:15.08 | koen | sounds like the project my uni did |
| 22:15.11 | koen | (is doing) |
| 22:15.26 | zecke | RP: I would like to know what the biggest use of OE is |
| 22:15.28 | koen | zecke: you have SPSS installed? |
| 22:15.52 | zecke | koen: no |
| 22:15.56 | gerwinin | Koen: I read about it , pretty fun how they did it , I am making it for myself since I have a high cholestorol |
| 22:16.36 | RP | zecke: At a guess, NSLU2, Familiar and OZ |
| 22:16.45 | RP | but it would be interesting to know |
| 22:17.20 | gerwinin | Zecke: a lot of taiwanese folks are running it on there smartphones |
| 22:17.28 | gerwinin | Zecke: check linuxdevices.com |
| 22:17.47 | zecke | gerwinin: pointed it to us :) |
| 22:17.54 | zecke | gerwinin: I know that GSM module very well |
| 22:18.39 | gerwinin | Zecke : I am going to Taiwan soon I will ask the people there for some smartphones for us to work on |
| 22:19.05 | gerwinin | Zecke: I am busy at my work now with the imcosys thingie to get opie on |
| 22:19.21 | zecke | gerwinin: good luck, get back to us |
| 22:19.29 | zecke | gerwinin: I think Opie Qt4 porting will start soon |
| 22:19.41 | zecke | gerwinin: I hope we can leverage from Qtopia4.1.1 and share the platform |
| 22:20.14 | gerwinin | zecke: I will , I am trying to contribute my epia distri and asked france for a page but it seems he is a bit asleep lately |
| 22:21.13 | gerwinin | zecke: it is a pitty because I am trying to port via's webpad now to linux as well and I could use some help |
| 22:22.05 | gerwinin | zecke: I hope so as well |
| 22:22.35 | zecke | ljp: lorn, any news about Qtopia4.1.1? |
| 22:24.44 | zecke | RP: I'm counting +12 variables we utilise |
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| 22:26.27 | zecke | RP: What I want to find out: Who is using OpenEmbedded for what |
| 22:27.01 | zecke | RP: What set of packages do they use. GUI Opie/GPE or custom, what attracts them, what is more important network, GUI, base... |
| 22:27.02 | CoreDump|home | that would indeed be interesting to know |
| 22:27.22 | RP | zecke: That sounds about right. You have the Rx and Rx_y versions of the variables. The number sounds about right |
| 22:27.23 | zecke | RP: what do they create, distris or only cross compiling help |
| 22:27.37 | gerwinin | Zecke : a lot of people are using it to build routers, firewalls, and asterisk based boxes |
| 22:28.24 | zecke | and what itches they have |
| 22:28.31 | RP | zecke: Do you plan to cover what their plans for feedback into the community are? |
| 22:28.44 | gerwinin | Zecke: the asians are using it to build webpads , smartphones (for their home market) |
| 22:29.05 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 22:29.09 | zecke | [x] "I pay MVista but use OE" |
| 22:29.27 | zecke | koen: I think www.oesources.org access.log is that feature |
| 22:29.33 | koen | zecke: yeah |
| 22:29.48 | koen | zecke: I was about to say "my access.log has interesint entries" |
| 22:29.56 | RP | treke|home: ping :) |
| 22:29.59 | koen | interesting* |
| 22:30.45 | RP | I just get hits from Lineo :-/ |
| 22:30.55 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 22:30.57 | gerwinin | mvista is a pain in the ase my boss paid for it as well but we are never using it |
| 22:31.04 | zecke | I have heard Lineo will acquire o-hand.com soon ;) |
| 22:31.09 | CosmicPenguin | You probably see wierd hits from AMD because we check oesources first |
| 22:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | even for our internal kernels |
| 22:32.07 | RP | gerwinin: Convince him to put mone into OE ;-) |
| 22:32.26 | RP | zecke: I wonder how much they'd pay for us :} |
| 22:33.24 | gerwinin | RP: we want to but everytime we try to set something up a server or a project it seems that it takes ages and ages before somebody wakes up |
| 22:33.25 | zecke | I imagine how much they charge for a port 'Zaurus kernel from 2.0 to 2.6' |
| 22:33.38 | zecke | gerwinin: :( |
| 22:33.58 | zecke | gerwinin: e.g. hh.org is in the process of being restored |
| 22:34.10 | zecke | gerwinin: and france is the only labor-force... |
| 22:34.22 | gerwinin | zecke: I know |
| 22:34.35 | RP | I think OE needs to keep separate from hh.org if it can as much as possible |
| 22:34.53 | zecke | gerwinin: what would be really benefitical for us... would be a meating and Leffe for mickeyl |
| 22:34.58 | koen | hh.org is taking care of that themselves |
| 22:35.11 | zecke | koen: psst ;) |
| 22:35.19 | koen | I wonder which OE devs will have an 'accident' with his account next |
| 22:35.26 | gerwinin | zecke: I tried to setup once an oe meeting but only 1 philips guy showed up |
| 22:35.43 | zecke | okay, he didn't have a long journey |
| 22:35.50 | gerwinin | zecke: no that is true |
| 22:36.07 | gerwinin | zecke: but a leffe will do especially the triple onces |
| 22:36.11 | zecke | gerwinin: It needs to be more carefully planed |
| 22:36.27 | zecke | gerwinin: e.g. a bug hunting session... maybe next to a bigger event |
| 22:36.43 | zecke | like the next Chaos Congress or something similiar |
| 22:36.46 | koen | next to easter! |
| 22:36.57 | koen | find some easter eggs first and move on to bugs |
| 22:37.04 | zecke | koen: hehe my term is about to start then... |
| 22:37.15 | RP | OH is keen on OE but can't find a way to generate much income from it which makes it difficult to allocate time to work on it :-/ |
| 22:37.43 | gerwinin | zecke: I just spent money on a new osciloscoop so I am not sure I will be recovered financially from that :) |
| 22:38.00 | zecke | RP: what about a market place site on oe.org? |
| 22:38.14 | zecke | RP: These companies are willing to save your ass: OH,... |
| 22:38.34 | RP | zecke: I'm sure OH would happily be listed :) |
| 22:38.40 | zecke | RP: a 'colleague' of mine had a hard time finding his way into OE... |
| 22:38.54 | gerwinin | RP: You can generate some money from it but the problems are the startup costs for hardware development :) |
| 22:38.55 | zecke | RP: we need to really improve our presentation to the outside |
| 22:39.12 | RP | zecke: There are a lot of people in the position and we do need to work on presentation |
| 22:39.15 | gerwinin | zecke: I offered to be pr person but no reaction :( |
| 22:39.28 | zecke | gerwinin: I have missed that :( |
| 22:39.35 | RP | gerwinin: I know :-/ |
| 22:39.35 | zecke | gerwinin: that is due the missing pr person ;) |
| 22:39.48 | RP | gerwinin: Somehow I missed this as well :-/ |
| 22:40.06 | gerwinin | zecke: I am still available for a couple of hours per week so .... |
| 22:40.31 | zecke | gerwinin: mail oe@handhelds.org, I'll reply then! |
| 22:40.38 | gerwinin | zecke: okay |
| 22:40.44 | zecke | gerwinin: I think an agenda and plan for OE PR would be needed first |
| 22:40.56 | zecke | gerwinin: how do we want to present OE? How to achieve it? |
| 22:41.00 | zecke | gerwinin: where to present it? |
| 22:41.08 | koen | the poster design was a good start to get the PR stuff rolling |
| 22:41.11 | gerwinin | zecke: I think that is a good starting point |
| 22:41.26 | koen | zecke: http://presentationzen.blogs.com/ |
| 22:41.37 | gerwinin | zecke: the first thing I want to improve is the communication with the manufacturers |
| 22:41.52 | zecke | koen: hehe, I would like to give a Lessig-style OE talk |
| 22:42.06 | gerwinin | zecke: I would also like to make a list with professional people busy with oe like rp |
| 22:42.08 | zecke | gerwinin: a clear message is most important |
| 22:42.16 | gerwinin | zecke: agree |
| 22:42.16 | zecke | gerwinin: Why is OE right for you! |
| 22:42.25 | koen | zecke: free culture? |
| 22:42.27 | zecke | gerwinin: How to get help from OE (community, professional) |
| 22:42.32 | zecke | koen: yes, I love that one |
| 22:42.32 | CosmicPenguin | I really wish somebody would have made a talk at CELF |
| 22:42.44 | CosmicPenguin | I feel bad talking about OE but not being able to get into the details |
| 22:42.56 | zecke | gerwinin: How to make OE fit you! |
| 22:43.00 | gerwinin | Cosmic : I did one time a talk about oe in holland |
| 22:43.03 | zecke | gerwinin: How to get your improvements back |
| 22:43.14 | CosmicPenguin | gerwinin: but thats not CELF, is it? :) |
| 22:43.39 | gerwinin | zecke: what I would like to see is mainly bb files of what people made |
| 22:44.20 | RP | CosmicPenguin: I'd like to talk to CELF about OE... |
| 22:44.31 | koen | CosmicPenguin: I've noticed that OE is too technical for 99% of the audience |
| 22:44.39 | CosmicPenguin | RP: Maybe next year.. :( |
| 22:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | koen: yeah, but I think they want to hear bout it |
| 22:44.56 | zecke | koen: This can be easily avoided |
| 22:45.02 | zecke | koen: take a heavy autotools user |
| 22:45.08 | zecke | koen: try cross tools, fail |
| 22:45.11 | zecke | koen: use OE, win |
| 22:45.11 | koen | i also noticed that interactive sessions work really well |
| 22:45.13 | gerwinin | Koen: but I learned that oe is a good starting point to start embedded development , it even makes it a lot easier |
| 22:45.21 | RP | CosmicPenguin: Maybe. The problem is I really really hate giving presentations... |
| 22:46.06 | zecke | RP: I think a good OE presentation consists out of two people |
| 22:46.11 | zecke | interacting on stage ;) |
| 22:46.17 | koen | the secret to a succesfull presentation: black turtlenecks |
| 22:46.56 | RP | zecke: I can see the advantages in that :) |
| 22:47.15 | CosmicPenguin | I like telling people what I know, but I'm not a very good speaker |
| 22:47.20 | koen | like the dillo presentation at fosdem 2005? |
| 22:47.34 | zecke | koen: I have not seen that one ;) |
| 22:47.44 | zecke | RP: just assign someone the role of a cross tool user |
| 22:47.53 | zecke | RP: and help him with the power of OE |
| 22:47.56 | gerwinin | zecke: mail sent |
| 22:48.32 | gerwinin | zecke: i am not subscribed to the mailing list so replies to my adres :) |
| 22:49.12 | koen | zecke: take a look at the trainings at http://free-electrons.com/training |
| 22:49.36 | gerwinin | koen: I know people that are making about 4000 euro a month with oe trainings |
| 22:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | Thats some good scratch |
| 22:50.09 | RP | gerwinin: Why don't we get feedback from these people? |
| 22:50.39 | gerwinin | RP: because there is not spokesperson and it is hard to contact the people from oe |
| 22:51.09 | gerwinin | RP: the problem is for example the wiki |
| 22:51.26 | RP | I think that's an issue we need to address - maybe have a panel of core developers or something |
| 22:51.55 | zecke | RP: That is what I want but also fear... |
| 22:52.19 | gerwinin | RP: for example I have been bombarded with mails about those asterisk boxes I created once but as long as it is hard to contribute to oe |
| 22:52.35 | gerwinin | My bb files do not get through |
| 22:52.39 | RP | zecke: I know - double edged sword :-/ |
| 22:52.46 | CosmicPenguin | I gouess you could make a foundation or something - raise some money to beef up the infrastructure |
| 22:53.28 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: I only know the german laws for associations... |
| 22:53.47 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: we would have to have an founding assembly with five members |
| 22:54.13 | gerwinin | Cosmicp: I think we should focus also more on cheaper hardware that for the regular developer it is easier to start with oe |
| 22:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: all german citizens? |
| 22:54.13 | RP | I guess then there's the question of which country it would exist in etc :-/ |
| 22:54.39 | gerwinin | Cosmicp: that is also why I am trying to create a distri made with oe for epia |
| 22:54.57 | RP | I think the better system would be to keep funds out of it if possible. If a sponsor wanted to sponsor development, that could be taken up with the people doing the development directly |
| 22:55.10 | RP | under supervison from the panel etc. |
| 22:56.01 | CosmicPenguin | gerwinin: see, thats your first problem |
| 22:56.09 | CosmicPenguin | gerwinin: if you were using Geodes, I could get you hardware... :) |
| 22:56.50 | koen | seeding hardware instead of funds is also a nice way to contribute |
| 22:57.00 | koen | although I could see that some people would prefer money |
| 22:57.17 | RP | koen: hardware works well for certain circumstances |
| 22:57.33 | RP | koen: for others, money can have other benefits :-/ |
| 22:57.34 | gerwinin | Koen : I agree upon donating hardware I did it once and that works great |
| 22:58.16 | RP | koen: In my case, money helps more than hardware as it buys time for me to work on OE in work time |
| 22:58.36 | koen | RP: that's exactly what I was getting at :) |
| 22:58.55 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: not necessary, but physically in one place |
| 22:59.02 | RP | koen: right :) |
| 22:59.30 | zecke | CosmicPenguin: Do you produce that Geode design as well ( the one I saw on linuxdevices.com) |
| 23:00.11 | RP | zlib_inflate looks to have made -mm :) |
| 23:00.45 | koen | RP: congrats |
| 23:01.07 | zecke | RP: yipee :) |
| 23:01.27 | gerwinin | RP: but we can launch to start with an oe partner programm |
| 23:01.51 | CosmicPenguin | zecke: thats our RDK for our new processor - we don't make them, but thats our design |
| 23:03.33 | gerwinin | Cosmic would your company be interested in donating some hardware to oe ? |
| 23:03.51 | CosmicPenguin | gerwinin: possibly |
| 23:04.11 | RP | I think we need to develope the people behind OE page ASAP but nominate a few people to be core developers. These would show key points of contact for OE... |
| 23:04.12 | CosmicPenguin | gerwinin: doesn't hurt to ask |
| 23:04.35 | RP | How we nominate the core developers is tricky... |
| 23:04.57 | gerwinin | RP: how about if we seperate the wiki from an actual website ? |
| 23:05.08 | koen | RP: http://oe.linuxtogo.org/people.php + http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/maps/OE.php ? |
| 23:05.08 | RP | gerwinin: It already is, isn't it? |
| 23:05.09 | zecke | by self appointment |
| 23:05.49 | gerwinin | zecke: shall I coordinate this ? |
| 23:05.59 | RP | koen: aha :) |
| 23:06.52 | gerwinin | RP: what I do a lot is asking hardware in return of help with oe :) |
| 23:07.55 | RP | koen: I'm not on you map :) |
| 23:08.29 | RP | koen: We should list email addresses on that people's page (with people's consent) - I'm happy for mine to be listed |
| 23:09.19 | koen | RP: that map is pretty old |
| 23:10.33 | koen | RP: and I think a 'contact form' mapping people to interest would be a good thing as well |
| 23:10.48 | gerwinin | Koen : If you want I can set up the main webpage of oe and change the layout a bit |
| 23:11.30 | gerwinin | Koen: to make hardware donations possible and to make it a bit more attractive for publicity |
| 23:11.55 | koen | gerwinin: sure, but I'm not sure which person(s) run the website |
| 23:12.16 | gerwinin | Koen: Should we be allowing banners and stuff on the website for sponsoring ? |
| 23:14.38 | koen | I really don't know |
| 23:15.03 | RP | We need some kind of committee :-( |
| 23:15.23 | gerwinin | RP: Sound like a good idea |
| 23:16.05 | gerwinin | RP: but I need to watch a bit out that I keep on having enough time for coding and hardware hacking :) |
| 23:16.44 | RP | gerwinin: I just see it as something having enough power to match decisions |
| 23:17.09 | koen | RP: http://oe.handhelds.org/people.php lists the monotone keys, so we just need to enable mail forwarding from openembedded.org to solve the problem :) |
| 23:17.19 | gerwinin | RP: yes |
| 23:17.59 | RP | koen: "just". We need a hsting provider to do that :-/ |
| 23:18.39 | koen | actually... |
| 23:19.01 | koen | I think I have a 2 year old mail from michaelo about @openembedded.org addresses |
| 23:19.41 | koen | anyway |
| 23:19.44 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:20.01 | RP | Worst case, I guess you could point oe.org at rpsys.net and I could forward as appropriate :) |
| 23:20.07 | RP | 'night koen|sleep |
| 23:20.23 | RP | (by point, I just mean the MX) |
| 23:21.43 | gerwinin | good night koen |
| 23:23.32 | zecke | OT: someone broke initscripts? |
| 23:33.45 | zecke | good nite |
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