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01:41.54JustinPkoen|sleep: indeed xserver-kdrive-0.0+cvs20060312-r11
01:42.32JustinPkoen|sleep: perhaps I should be using xserver-kdrive-0.0cvs20050207-r9, same as oz354x?
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05:15.17emteJustinP, i sent a response to the mailing list in regards to your sf problem  and treke|home you need to cache dalies of gaim on oesources
05:15.23emtedailies*
05:15.49treke|homewhat;'s up?
05:16.31emtejust adding daily cvs snapshots of gaim to your oesorces list
05:16.36emtesources*
05:17.25treke|homewell if cvs is down, I can't do jack about it
05:17.56emtenah its not down
05:18.04emteits just flakey as always
05:19.54emtetreke|home, but i did think of an idea for that time skew problem :)
05:20.09treke|home<PROTECTED>
05:20.32emtejust make bitbake fall back to the latest version on oesources if it cant pickup the primary url
05:21.01emtesort of self assign aitself a date
05:21.07emteitself*
05:21.38emtewould require altering the cvs class for bitbake tho
05:21.49emteand making the backup a special case
05:22.25emtebut it would mean taht you could lean it back to once a day or week ...
05:23.30JustinPemte: that would be a large bitbake change I think....if you wanted the SRCDATE (and PR) to be correct and all
05:23.46JustinPand I haven't seen it be flakey, I've seen it be down
05:23.56JustinPI haven't gotten anything from it in 2 weeks or so
05:24.13emtei pull from it yesterday
05:24.24JustinPit *might* be that it's just 1/100 gets in or something, but that's down in my book
05:48.41emteJustinP, nah not a big change. PR wouldnt change and SRCDATE woudl just be a temporary override for something that is already a floating value
05:49.37emtewould*
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05:53.01emteit would need to kick out a nice fat warning tho that it is not using the "current date" but is trying to continue with the build
05:54.12emtethis would also allow the option for it to automatically fallback to the one you may have in yoru sources dir as a last resort
05:54.55emteits just a method to increase redundancy
05:55.02JustinPemte: PR *would* change for most (all) of them
05:55.12emtehow?
05:55.23emtePR only referes to bb file changes
05:55.29emtenot source
05:55.55JustinPsorry, not PR
05:55.56JustinPPV
05:56.07JustinPas in PV = "2.0+cvs-${SRCDATE}"
05:56.51emteit would only change in asmuch as SRCDATE would temorarily be reassigned
05:57.04emtetemporarily*
05:57.17JustinPyes
05:57.50JustinPas long as the change happens to *anything* that SRCDATE touches that would be ok....but I don't think that's as trivial as you're making it out to be
05:57.58JustinPanyway
05:58.10emteit probably isnt
05:58.18emteits just a rough idea
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06:05.36treke|homeI really think the simpler solution is just to have OE do all dates and times in GMT, so that everyone is on the same page
06:06.07emteit is as well
06:06.53emteabout the only advantage of mine would be someoen who does/can only update once a day or every few days but is using current date
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06:26.17gremlin[it]hi all ... i had problem restarting with OE  ... OE.db.oe for soem reason is corrupterd ... how i can skip the download of the starting OE.db and do all with monotone ?
06:26.47emteyou do not really want to do taht ...
06:27.00emtealtho its now daown to a few hours
06:27.05emtedown*
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06:27.37gremlin[it]i have a slow connection ... and for me is worse download the bz2 than do a slow starting woth monotone :(
06:27.44emtehttp://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted      the monotone stuff is ~ 1/2 way down
06:28.02emtei feel bad for you then
06:28.21emtei cannot imagin how long it is going to take
06:28.47gremlin[it]emte i'm reading that .. and time ago it contain the option 1) downloaf OE.db.bz2     2) do a slow command with monotone ... but now the second choise isn't listed :(
06:29.10emteyeah i just noticed that
06:29.17emtesec i'll get you an old one
06:30.14gremlin[it]the OE.db.bz2 how often are changed ? i suppose what i download is corrupetd cause i download it in 3 pieces and few day between one and the other ...
06:30.42emteonce or twice a day i belive
06:31.20gremlin[it]i have a 64K isdn ... :( :( :(  ... for me is difficult to get also the bzipped database :(
06:32.43emtehmmm
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06:34.05emtei'll grab a copy and put it somewhere for you to get it ...
06:35.24gremlin[it]emte sendign by mail is a feasible choise ?
06:35.53emtei can if you really wish ....
06:36.11gremlin[it]what is more simple for u ;)
06:37.01emtei was just going to drop it on a webserver and you could use whatever client you wanted, but i can sned be mail if that is easier for you .... i just figured you would want a resumable protocol
06:37.23gremlin[it]right web is easy :)
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06:40.48emtehttp://www.labotomy.net/NONWEB/OE.db.bz2
06:41.02gremlin[it]thanks !!!!
06:42.03emtenp
06:43.32emteit should be decent for you, its a 100Mbit server
06:43.54emteso the bottleneck will only be your connection
06:48.06gremlin[it]it's easy that i'm the bottleneck :)
06:51.04emte:)
06:53.27gremlin[it]i hope to heva ADSL for the end of this year ...
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07:07.22CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * rb7b07828... 10/packages/gpe-today/gpe-today_0.11.bb: gpe-today: update to 0.11
07:08.00koengood morning all
07:08.08gremlin[it]morning koen :)
07:10.53koenhey gremlin[it]
07:13.49Genesisyop
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07:14.04koenhey Genesis
07:14.23LaibschGood morning everyone!
07:16.52LaibschJust pulled a fresh copy of OE and started to build.  I get a "ERROR: Error Method already seen: get_appweb_host in' appweb_1.2.0.bb' now in 'appweb_2.0.4.bb'"  Is this something to worry about?  Did I do anything wrong?
07:16.57goxboxlive_Hi all. I have rsom problems again. It suddenly asks for libqpe-opie. No providers for libqpe-opie. How do i solve this?
07:16.57koenhey Laibsch
07:17.12koenLaibsch: use the stable branch of bitbake (see gettingstarted)
07:17.18LaibschMoin Koen, I hope you are doing fine.
07:19.10Laibschkoen: you mean org.openembedded.oz354x instead of org.openembedded.dev, right?
07:20.24koenLaibsch: no, bitbake
07:20.50koenLaibsch: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted#head-70027dcaf22e3c966ac6189541ebcbb9d3af5005
07:22.36goxboxlive_where to get libqpe?
07:22.57LaibschI updated bitbake via cron, I thought it was up to date.
07:23.08LaibschThat anchor does not go anywhere.
07:23.25LaibschI'm sure I'll find the necessary part on that page, though.
07:23.30koensvn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.4 bitbake
07:23.38koenthat will give you the stable branch of bitbake
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07:25.12CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * rd82f1294... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom 2006.9: set CVSDATE to 20060424
07:25.39LaibschCan I do that while having bitbake "up-to-date" via "cd /usr/src/openembedded/bitbake && svn up" from cron or should I remove the directory first?
07:26.20koenno idea
07:26.26koensvn sucks
07:28.44LaibschOK
07:28.49LaibschThank you for your help
07:28.59LaibschIt seems the dir needs to be moved.
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07:30.22koenmickey|tv: ERROR: dependency virtual/libqpe (for opie-keytabs) not satisfied
07:33.09CoreDump|homemorning
07:51.16hrw|workmorning
07:51.55goxboxlive_Morning hrw. Can you help me with something here?
07:52.05hrw|workmaybe
07:52.35goxboxlive_I have runned in to some problems again
07:53.35goxboxlive_it complains that : no provides depedency virtual/libqpe
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07:53.45goxboxlive_I am trying to build a opie-image
07:54.03hrw|workgoxboxlive_: .dev?
07:54.11goxboxlive_It worked before i did a monotone update
07:54.26hrw|workgoxboxlive_: recently libqpe -> libqpe1 was done
07:55.20goxboxlive_ok, so in the local.conf i'll put in libqpe1-opie instead of libqpe-opie?
07:55.40goxboxlive_yes i am useing the dev branch
07:55.57hrw|workgoxboxlive_: dont know - I do not trace .dev now
07:56.52goxboxlive_ok, thx anyway, i'll try.
08:05.53XorAmorning
08:06.46goxboxlivemorning.
08:07.10goxboxlivedo u know what this means? : no provides depedency virtual/libqpe
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08:09.45koenhey zecke
08:09.52hrw|workhi zecke
08:10.22goxboxlivehi zecke :-)
08:10.38zeckehey
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08:13.14goxboxliveZecke: Are you ready for som problem i hve now with building an Opie-image? It have worked great now until  i did an monotone update.
08:13.33zeckegoxboxlive: hehe, 'monotone update' the recurring theme
08:13.34pb_hail zecke
08:13.43zeckegoxboxlive: just ask, I'm back in a minute
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08:15.32CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * radfabc9d... 10/packages/sip/ (4 files): sip4-native: upgrade to 4.4.2
08:15.36CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd00d9789... 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): aliens, abuse: use sdl class
08:15.40CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb228e613... 10/packages/ (18 files in 15 dirs): bitbake files inheriting palmtop: don't override EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST, append to it
08:15.44CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd9f2b0cf... 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): bbfiles inheriting opie: don't override EXTRA_QMAKEVARS_POST|PRE, append to it
08:17.01zeckegoxboxlive: not privately, please ;)
08:17.16zeckegoxboxlive: who is depending on libqpe?
08:17.47goxboxliveopie-keytabs and opie-console
08:19.38mickey|tvright
08:19.43mickey|tvgot some uncommited stuff in here
08:19.46mickey|tvwait a sec.
08:19.49mickey|tvgood morning, btw.
08:19.53hrw|workhi mickey|tv
08:19.57hrw|workalsa 1.0.11 released
08:20.10zecke;)
08:21.21koengood morning mickey|tv
08:22.25mickey|tvopie-keytabs commited, opie-console should depend on virtual/libqpe1 through palmtop.bbclass.
08:24.01CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r26622fef... 10/packages/opie-keytabs/opie-keytabs.inc: opie-keytabs: remove bogus depends on libqpe, keytabs is just data files
08:26.20goxboxlivemickey: So in the local.conf i have to put in virtual/libqpe1="libqpe1-opie" ????
08:26.21zeckegoxboxlive: this is why one should not ask in private ;)
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08:26.49goxboxlivezecke: I c, so this time, it's realy a problem, not a nOOb problem :-)
08:27.03mickey|tvgoxboxlive: openzaurus-unstable.conf contains a line similar to this
08:27.14mickey|tvso no need to repeat it, unless you're using another distro
08:27.26mickey|tvit would be virtual/libqpe1 = "libqpe-opie" btw.
08:28.12RPgoxboxlive: You probably need to rebuild packages that you're already built that now have an incorrect dependency
08:28.14goxboxliveOk, because in the local.conf file i have now i setup with virtual/libqpe = "libqpe-opie"
08:28.40mickey|tvi considered removing that thing altogether, because we really have only one provider for libqpe in OE...
08:28.50RPgoxboxlive: Although this is a build time dependency, so ignore me :-/
08:29.16zeckemickey|tv: hehe, well I know of people setting different virtual/libqpe
08:29.19mickey|tvthe remaining stuff that depends on virtual/libqpe shouldn't be part of opie-image. it will be converted while I go over the individual bbfiles.
08:29.41mickey|tvzecke: *nod* i had that in mind when I left it like it is.
08:29.45LaibschI just read up on some of the things going on recently.  Specifically, I am just going through koen's Gulev 2005 PDF.  I do not yet understand what Angstrom is.  From the description it sounds a lot like a continuation of the current OE stuff that formed the basis for OZ.
08:30.02mickey|tvLaibsch: Angstrom is "just" another distribution.
08:30.12CoreDump|homedid anyone look at the annoying mplayer bug where it picks up qpe stuff when Opie was built in the same tmpdir as GPE?
08:30.27mickey|tvLaibsch: made by the people responsible for former OZ, OpenSIMpad, and Familiar releases
08:30.35mickey|tvLaibsch: so the idea is to have one distro to rule them all
08:30.46mickey|tvLaibsch: but then again, have some constraints like 2.6-devices only
08:30.54RPgoxboxlive: You need to change that entry in your local.conf. If using openxzaurus-unstable, you can remove it
08:30.56mickey|tvLaibsch: + more policies, more polishing, more user involvement and stuff.
08:31.28RPLaibsch: It also give the oppertunity to break a few things like the ABI change
08:31.29LaibschSo basically, I can move from the "old" OZ to the "new" Angstrom sometime in the future and it will not be much else than going from one OZ release to the other?  I guess the focus is on removing duplicate effort?
08:31.38mickey|tvLaibsch: you got it.
08:31.40LaibschRP: I am certainly in for that.
08:31.53LaibschThanks, guys
08:32.02LaibschOE is always moving so fast
08:32.06goxboxliveRP: I am using familiar-unstable, i have also tried to remove it, but it claimed the about the same depedency.
08:32.27LaibschYou drop out a coupe of weeks and you have a whole bunch of stuff waiting for you to be learned.
08:32.32Laibschcouple
08:32.53LaibschI read somewhere on the net OZ was dead and that of course got me worried.
08:33.02LaibschGlad to find this is not "really" the case.
08:35.30mickey|tvnot at all. everything that OZ was will be Angstrom and from the looks of it we will continue to have a 3.5.4.x branch for quite some time
08:35.42mickey|tva real stable branch
08:35.59pb_good morning mickey|tv
08:36.02mickey|tvhey pb_
08:36.05koenand support for collie (and other 2.4 devices)
08:36.11mickey|tvright
08:36.46pb_ah, good thinking
08:36.51pb_bbiab
08:36.58mickey|officehehe
08:37.20hrw|workLaibsch: angstrom will be released sooner or later for 2.6 powered. OZ will stay for 2.4 powered (collie, poodle, tosa) but will be more and more less supported due to fact that tosa & poodle will move to 2.6
08:37.31mickey|officeif [ -e /foo/bar ]; then echo "it's there"; else echo "it's not there"
08:37.34mickey|officeis that correct?
08:37.41mickey|officemy shell skills suck
08:38.14Laibschhrw|work: the 5500 will not move to 2.6?
08:38.36hrw|workLaibsch: not in 2006
08:38.42LaibschThat would be sad.  I have one of those and the current line of Z's I do not find too sexy.
08:38.50Laibschhrw|work: I am patient. ;-)
08:39.34hrw|workLaibsch: few people has ideas what to do with sd support but all this need work and nearly noone want to work on collie support
08:39.59LaibschHave been trying almost for years now to make it possible for me to switch from Sharp ROM to OZ.  So far this was not possible because of the lack of a Japanese input method.
08:40.27hrw|workLaibsch: OZ 3.5.4 was probably last release for collie - newer ones will need SD/CF for storage or I will remove many things from collie rootfs
08:41.02hrw|workLaibsch: ashikashi added japanese support - we need to add this to OZ soon
08:41.28LaibschDid he? I was in contact with him about that and there were still a few glitches
08:41.33Laibschanthy does compile
08:41.43hrw|workLaibsch: qpobox works
08:41.46LaibschBut what frontend do you use?
08:41.52LaibschReally?  
08:41.58LaibschThat would be too awesome.
08:42.06LaibschI am almost gonna cry.
08:42.16LaibschIs qpobox in 3.5.4?
08:42.25hrw|workwill be in may
08:42.26LaibschOh, no you already said it was not
08:42.35LaibschCool.
08:42.45hrw|workneed to find time for it
08:42.52hrw|workfirst want to release 3.5.4.1
08:43.01LaibschBut I could compile it from .dev (or even .oz354x)?
08:43.49hrw|workLaibsch: no - need to get it from bugtracker
08:45.51zeckeLaibsch: did you consider maintaining a newsletter, e.g. to mention important changes
08:46.06LaibschFor OE?
08:46.24zeckeLaibsch: yes
08:46.42zeckeLaibsch: I started to recognize that our representation to the 'outside' needs a lot of work
08:47.06LaibschWhat would qualify me for this?  I certainly want to help out.  But sometimes I find it hard myself to stay abreast.
08:47.17LaibschYes, like it did a year ago ;-)
08:47.45Bernardogood morning
08:47.53CoreDump|homehi Bernardo
08:48.00LaibschI will consider and get back to you within the day.
08:48.19hrw|workzecke: OpenEmbedded Traffic?
08:48.46zeckehrw|work: more like KDE svn ;)
08:49.04zeckehrw|work: I think it is not too important to see the discussions that lead to something
08:49.12zeckehrw|work: but to have the impact or features mentioned
08:49.13hrw|workzecke: good idea
08:49.53zeckehrw|work: we just need a writer for that
08:50.33RPMaybe we should have something like the OZ site for OE where we announce new OE features?
08:51.12RPhrw|work: Poodle 2.6 support took a bit of a leap forward this weekend ;-)
08:51.57hrw|workRP: like it was expected ;)
08:52.17AlexTe|workhrw|work speaking of japanese support, can you enable codecs in libqte. It's required by qpobox and other apps. Works fine for me.
08:52.41hrw|workAlexTe|work: first want to release 3.5.4.1-rc1
08:52.55zeckeAlexTe|work: how much more RAM and flash is needed for that?
08:53.39AlexTe|workthe modified libqte is just a couple of ko bigger, not sure about the ram
08:53.50LaibschAlexTe|work: codecs?  what do they have to do with Japanese?
08:54.00zeckeLaibsch: Unicode Tables
08:54.06zeckeLaibsch: and Char conversion
08:54.16XorAXqt uses codecs as well
08:54.38LaibschOK.  So far I only know about codecs for music/video and other multimedia.
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08:55.22XorAhi lrg
08:55.24zeckeLaibsch: hey liam
08:55.26RPhi Liam
08:55.40zeckelrg: you obviously forgot to attach a patch to the bitbake bug ;)
08:55.46lrgmorning all
08:55.58pb__mickey|bbl: you need a "; fi" on the end, but otherwise that's correct
08:56.02pb__hi lrg
08:56.09koenhey lrg
08:56.12lrgzecke, doh - it must still be in my home dir ;)
08:56.21koenlrg: how was CELF?
08:56.33zeckelrg: I assumed that
08:57.59lrgkoen, CELF was very good - it looks like there will be a lot more linux consumer devices around next year as some big TV manufacturers were using Linux in their new digital sets
08:58.21koenlrg: nice
08:58.22zeckelrg: directFB was mentioned a lot as well?
08:58.41johnXam I the only one who just thought of "x server on me TV"?
08:59.00lrgzecke, yep, the TV's all used directFB. Dennis Kropp was there doing a talk on DirectFB
08:59.05hrw|workCoreDump|home: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/3.5.4.1-test/.rc1/!_split-to-feeds.sh.txt can be interesting for you
08:59.18goxboxliveSo where there any solution to the qpe problem i had? Or do i have to wait for an update or something?
08:59.50zeckelrg: was he stoned? I think he stopped being stoned anyway
08:59.58zeckegoxboxlive: libqpe?
09:00.05zeckegoxboxlive: or which qpe problem?
09:00.19goxboxliveyes of course, sorry, libqpe
09:00.30lrgzecke, no, although he seemed younger than I imagined.
09:00.54zeckegoxboxlive: mickeyl pushed the offender, do another mtn update and see what breaks now
09:00.55lrgzecke, OE got mentioned a lot as well.
09:01.06hrw|workRP: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883#c5 - can you look?
09:01.13zeckedamn I need to give more talks (any talk)
09:01.24goxboxlivezecke: thx
09:01.26lrg~seen do13
09:01.31ibotdo13 is currently on #oe (1d 23h 33m 48s), last said: 'Hey RP'.
09:06.13RPhrw|work: I don't know whether we install usbmouse by default or not but it is compiled by the kernel fine
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09:12.49goxboxliveZecke: I got way logner, but still some problems: Look at this
09:13.15goxboxliveNothing provide depedency dcopidl-native
09:13.45goxboxliveIt's konqueror-embedded that has no buildable provider.
09:15.01hrw|workRP: user told me that usbmouse module exist but no mousedev module and whole mouse subsystem is missing
09:15.02CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r859929fe... 10/packages/mtd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mtd-utils: add snapshot 20060223, includes sumtool (from .dev)
09:15.10CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r23e5b0f0... 10/packages/udev/udev_084.bb: udev: ship links.conf - #901
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09:15.44RPhrw|work: See my update to that bug - mousedev isn't being compiled. I'm not sure if that is or isn't a problem though
09:16.46RPhrw|work: I'll enabled mousedev in the defconfigs...
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09:18.21zeckegoxboxlive: install dcopidl from your distribution
09:18.36zeckegoxboxlive: and ASSUME_PROVIDED += "dcopidl-native" in your local.conf
09:19.56goxboxlivezecke: it's not in the debian repo, only dcopdl2java. I'll try to install that one
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09:22.30CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r1fc0adbf... 10/conf/machine/handheld-common.conf: handheld-common: s/wpa-supplicant-nossl/wpa-supplicant - 0.4.8 is openssl powered
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09:24.00aquadrangoxboxlive: i just found dcopidl is in kdelibs4-dev in debian
09:24.26goxboxliveaquadran thx
09:24.40greentuxlrg: morning.
09:24.50greentuxlrg: borzoi+ recieved?
09:26.23lrggreentux, yes thanks. it came during CELF, i'm now building a new image for it
09:26.59greentuxlrg: ok fine
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09:49.06ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, RMK mail system !
09:49.16hrw|work> Ah, haven't seen many of your emails over the last three months - seems
09:49.17hrw|work> they ended up in one of my junk mailboxes which are rarely looked at.
09:50.30CoreDump|homeheh
09:51.24hrw|work~hail 'for machine in akita spitz c7x0;do SOMETHING;done'
09:51.25ibotACTION bows down to 'for machine in akita spitz c7x0;do SOMETHING;done' and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
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09:55.19mithrozecke: ping!
09:56.10zeckemithro: pong
09:58.03alan|homehello all
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10:19.04mickey|bblyou need to ASSUME_PROVIDED that
10:19.29mickey|bblups... too late
10:20.22zeckemithro: hey
10:20.35mithrozecke: yes :P
10:21.48zeckemithro: hey, mickeyl is back
10:21.53zeckemickeyl: hey
10:22.04mithrozecke: he-he lousy tab complete :P
10:22.33zeckemithro: yes, irssi sucks
10:24.06zeckemickeyl: python coverage tools that integrate with unittest (jeapardy like question)
10:25.30mickeylzecke: Question to that answer: what are you looking into?
10:25.52mickeylAnswer to the Jeopardy-Question: I have no idea, never looked into testing at all yet
10:26.33pb__right, testing is overrated
10:27.02mickeylheh
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10:27.21zeckepb__: right
10:33.41LaibschIs there no bb file for compiling qpobox?  -> bug 843
10:35.51mickeylthe necessary qte changes are not even in
10:35.59mickeylone step after another...
10:37.20RPhrw|work: Most of my emails to rmk end up there as well
10:41.40mithromickeyl / RP: i've done some more work on a COW classes for zecke :P
10:42.00mickeylcoolness!
10:42.05mickeylgive us benchmarks!
10:42.06mickeyl:)
10:42.14zeckecow = { 'cow' : True }
10:42.22zecke'cow' in cow
10:44.22hrw|workRP: got new patch to test with broken cards
10:45.27CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbf0b47a6... 10/packages/freedroid/ (3 files in 2 dirs): freedroid: decouple from opie via sdl.bbclass
10:45.56koenberlios seem to be alive again
10:46.02RPmithro: Excellent - I can't wait to see the patches :)
10:46.31RPhrw|work: From the kernel developers or did you write this one?
10:46.35hrw|workRP: rmk
10:47.03RPhrw|work: Ah, I thought you meant broken PCMCIA cards :)
10:47.13hrw|workRP: ;)
10:47.22RPhrw|work: Does this replace his last one or is it something extra?
10:47.57mithrothe COW stuff should be usable in other places (then bitbake) too...
10:47.59hrw|workextra to test card
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10:52.49hrw|workNOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.16-r9: task do_patch: completed
10:52.50hrw|workuf
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11:38.19goxboxliveHave anyone a clue what this might be: ?  http://pastebin.com/678598
11:40.13zeckegoxboxlive: hmm, a missing -lts
11:40.59zeckegoxboxlive: I have not built the latest konqueror myself
11:41.57goxboxlivezecke: Is that something can fix here, or is there something you guys have to update. I'll build it for a couple of days ago, but after the update it just refuse.
11:42.14zeckegoxboxlive: it could be a new version
11:42.28zeckegoxboxlive: it is a brand new and experimental konqueror version, so new I have not built it myself
11:42.44zeckegoxboxlive: a quick hack would be adding -lts
11:44.21goxboxlivezecke: Ok, but where do i add -lts :-/
11:44.30hrw|workEXTRA_LDFLAGS?
11:58.30mickeyli recommend reading the bbfile
11:58.36mickeylit has detailed comments on how to build a static konq
11:58.40mickeyllike
11:58.43mickeyl# uncomment that to foo
11:58.44mickeyletc.
12:01.33CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9940a00b... 10/packages/abuse/abuse_0.7.0.bb: abuse: remove bogus depends, they come in via sdl class now
12:01.38CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * re7bd7365... 10/packages/vectoroids/vectoroids_1.1.0.bb: vectoroids: decouple from opie using sdl.bbclass
12:01.42CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r784fefba... 10/classes/sdl.bbclass: sdl.bbclass: fix names
12:02.52pb__very good
12:03.42mickeyl:) this is sooo much cleaner now
12:03.58mickeylthe opie packages just contain a link to the real binary and the launcher integration bits
12:04.04pb__excellent
12:04.12pb__that does sound like a big improvement
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12:09.21zeckemickeyl: I'm still in favor of removing X and GPE to avoid this mess :}
12:09.41zeckemickeyl: but your solutions looks nice as well
12:10.37hrw|workzecke: and remove opie from angstrom
12:11.07zeckehrw|work: I want the same t-shirt as rml had for devfs
12:11.24zeckehrw|work: 'Opie, GPE, X': ------------------------------------- ;)
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12:11.41zeckejust kidding, well this t-shirt was nice
12:12.37zeckepb__: I will apply at NetBSD this year, will look into dogtail, GPE and OE anyway
12:12.55zeckeRP: can matchbox use atk as well?
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12:16.33RPzecke: I'm not 100% sure. Perhaps not at the moment
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12:30.26CIA-903mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r230a1c50... 10/packages/gemdropx/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gemdropx: decouple from opie using sdl.bbclass
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12:30.45zeckekoen: did you ever play with debtags?
12:31.17koenzecke: I very rarely build debian packages
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12:31.30koenzecke: but it would be nice if OE supported debtag and .debs :)
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12:32.42mickeylok, enough OE work for today
12:32.49mickeylcu
12:32.52koencu mickeyl
12:32.53hrw|workcu mickeyl
12:32.55mickeyls/wents/wanders/
12:33.00zeckemickeyl: yes!
12:34.36pb__zecke: righto
12:34.49Laibsch"nice monotone --db=./oe.db pull $MONOTONE_SERVER org.openembedded.{dev,org.openembedded.oz354x};monotone --db=./oe.db checkout --branch=org.openembedded.oz354x" works fine for the first part but fails with the checkout:"monotone: misuse: branch 'org.openembedded.oz354x' is empty"
12:35.26koenorg.openembedded.{dev,org.openembedded.oz354x} -> org.openembedded.{dev,oz354x}
12:36.10greentux~seen koen
12:36.28ibotkoen is currently on #gpe (2d 3h 17m 37s) #oe (2d 3h 17m 37s). Has said a total of 225 messages. Is idling for 1m 2s, last said: 'org.openembedded.{dev,org.openembedded.oz354x} -> org.openembedded.{dev,oz354x}'.
12:36.28Laibschkoen: of courseQ
12:36.28Laibschkoen: of course!
12:36.50greentuxkoen: hi
12:37.03LaibschAll those brackets, I need a pair of glasses ;-)
12:37.06greentuxkoen: pse read http://www.linux-kongress.org/2006/cfp.html perhaps you can do a talk about oe again
12:37.29koenhey greentux
12:37.48zeckegreentux: thanks for the link
12:38.06zeckemickeyl: do we want to give an OE tutorial there?
12:38.06greentuxzecke: hi, a talk for you too? :)
12:38.53koengah, during first week of college
12:39.57greentuxok, should zecke do the oe talk.
12:41.52koenzecke: have you looked at guitone?
12:42.35zeckekoen: college?
12:42.47zeckeno (guitone)
12:42.48koenhttp://thomaskeller.biz/guitone/
12:43.03koenzecke: the new year starts at 20060902
12:43.24zeckescreenshots?
12:43.48zecke~lart fink
12:43.53koenhaven't seen any
12:46.50koenRP: another 1.4MB of flash saved :)
12:46.54koen(http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319393)
12:47.29koenalthough I don't think people are building the 'real' eds with OE
12:48.37CIA-903rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * re0d45857... 10/packages/ixp425-eth/ixp400-eth_1.5.bb: ixp425-eth: Removed the maclist patch, as insertion of the MAC address is now done through a netdev event.
12:51.40zeckekoen: wow one can start to use the EDS on Phones
12:52.15zeckekoen: together with tinyMAIL, well a Gtk+ only platform is getting more attractive day by day
12:53.04koenI know
12:53.14zeckekoen: hehe
12:59.30koenzecke: http://thomaskeller.biz/work/thesis/thesis_final.pdf
13:00.31zeckeRMS the origin of OpenSource :}
13:00.52koenJustinP: the gcc-package patch is in, so people with gcc4.x can build e stuff again in .dev
13:01.32LaibschHow can bug 623 (package anthy) make it into openembedded?
13:01.44Laibschhttp://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623
13:02.03LaibschCan anybody please upload?
13:02.13zeckeLaibsch: come to our BugDay ;)
13:02.37LaibschWhere is it?
13:02.50koenLaibsch: see comment #2
13:02.52LaibschI'd certainly like to meet you guys
13:02.54CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * rb503225b... 10/packages/gcc/gcc-package.inc: gcc-package: apply patch form #851 to 'fix' building of gcc-4.x
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13:03.44hrw|workLaibsch: Bug Squashing Party this Friday/Saturday here on #oe
13:03.58LaibschSounds like fun
13:04.07LaibschI will try and joing you guys.
13:04.11LaibschIs this weekly?
13:04.18LaibschI love bug squashing!
13:04.25*** topic/#oe by hrw|work -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date | BitBake 1.4.0 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | Bug Squashing Party in 2006.04.28-29
13:05.38RPkoen: Good news on EDS :). Ross should be happy!
13:06.20koenRP: I think he is, I got the news form planet.closedfist.co.uk :)
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13:09.41hrw|workkoen: another planet added into rss...
13:09.59RPkoen: I should really read that :)
13:10.41zeckeRP: no kidding ;)
13:18.09goxboxlivecan someone here try to bulid konqueror-embedded. I have tried with the -lts in the .bb file, but it still refuse to compile..
13:19.06zeckekoen: http://www.denx.de/wiki/Training/WebHome#CourseInternals
13:19.27zeckekoen: I think something evil, what do you think?
13:19.40zeckegoxboxlive: pastebin it please, I can not build from here
13:20.20goxboxliveok hold on.
13:22.07goxboxlivezecke: It might take a couple of minutes, because i am compiling over vnc, so i have to swithc over to ssh :-)
13:22.26koenzecke: looks like a course in JTAG
13:22.59zeckegoxboxlive: hehe
13:23.18zeckegoxboxlive: I'm extremely firewalled here... I should start to use openvpn to somehwere
13:30.55koenspeaking of tunnels...
13:31.26goxboxlivezecke: Ok, here is the output ( it's bitbaked with the -lts flagg in konq--.bb file : http://pastebin.com/678764
13:32.35emtegremlin[it], hey,  you done dlding the image or you needed something else?
13:32.52gremlin[it]i finish :)
13:32.55gremlin[it]thanks emte  :)
13:33.17zeckegoxboxlive: well, looks like the same error to me?
13:33.51emteokay, and it works again for you?
13:34.01goxboxlivezecke: Yes it is the same error as with not using the -lts flag
13:34.14zeckegoxboxlive: 'flag'
13:34.29zeckegoxboxlive: yes your like to the bb file was ignored (it seems)
13:35.18CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * r75ba732a... 10/packages/poptop/poptop_1.3.0.bb: poptop: add 1.3.0, courtesy Stelios Koroneos
13:35.35goxboxlivezecke: EXTRAFLAGS = "-lts"
13:37.11lrgI'm looking for the best way to build for multiple machines (borzoi, tosa and mainstone in my case) using a single oe repository. I'll obviously need a local.conf for each machine, however is there any other things that must be seperated e.g. any build directories
13:37.20zeckegoxboxlive: that looks wrong anyway ;)
13:37.34zeckegoxboxlive: as a work around. go to that Makefile
13:37.42zeckegoxboxlive: and add a -lts manually
13:38.32goxboxlivezecke: But the option is there form the start. I just uncomment it.
13:38.57zeckegoxboxlive: it is 'wrong' nevertheless
13:39.17zeckegoxboxlive: one can't know that QtE is using tslib, one should not assume it
13:39.43goxboxliveok, so i just put in -lts with no qoutes no other text? Anywhere in the ..bb file?
13:39.53LaibschI have entered the necessary information in bug 623 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623)
13:40.12LaibschCan anthy be included in OE now? ;-)
13:40.31LaibschNot that it would be immediately usable in its current form, but still.
13:43.44hrw|workljp: use multimachine.inc
13:43.46zeckeLaibsch: what is broken with it?
13:44.06lrghrw|work thanks
13:44.16LaibschIt is not broken.
13:44.35LaibschBut for it to be a complete input method, it would need a front end.
13:44.42LaibschLike imkit-anthy.
13:45.07LaibschThere are others, too.  I just lack the knowledge to hack the bb file together quickly.
13:47.36lrghrw|work: I assume i can include this in my local.conf for each machine and this will give me a seperate /stamps /work etc ?
13:47.38zeckeLaibsch: well, consider updating the patch as well
13:47.42koenin 2 days we can celebrate '300 days of monotone'
13:47.58zeckekoen: oh that young?
13:47.59koenlrg:  yes
13:48.17koenlrg:  have a look at http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/file.psp?id=7ef65513082d92ce2d14013905d33943baee95cb&path=contrib/buildscripts/openzaurus/build-oz.sh
13:48.23lrgkoen, cool this is easier than I tought :)
13:48.24Laibschzecke: you mean to the latest release of anthy?
13:48.31lrgthought
13:48.50zeckeLaibsch: no, just entering random information isn't helping
13:49.04zeckeLaibsch: when I add a file from the patch tracker, I only want to add the patch
13:49.16zeckeLaibsch: I do not want to edit the files myself
13:49.20koenlrg: that script pokes the necessary bits in to conf/auto.conf, so you can use 1 local.conf for all machines
13:49.21LaibschOK, I understand.
13:49.25LaibschI will attach.
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13:49.53koenlrg: openzaurus uses multimachine by default now
13:50.30lrgkoen, thanks
13:50.46zeckeLaibsch: as this looks to be japanese (in the patch) mentioning the encoding (e.g. UTF8) would help a lot as well
13:51.15LaibschOK, anything else?
13:51.33LaibschLet me know and I will try and update it.
13:52.03hrw|workand if it need unicode encoding then let it be utf instead of any japanese ones
13:54.50koenand suddenly we have 50% less critical bugs in OE
13:55.08koenand some more in OZ ;)
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13:59.00chouimatmorning
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14:17.51hrw|work~curse ipkg
14:17.52ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ipkg !
14:18.03hrw|workarch akita 46
14:18.20hrw|work"lists_dir ext /home/hrw/devel/build/3541/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/opie-image-1.0-r19/temp/lists/" does not mean absolute path for ipkg ;(
14:19.16koenhrw|work: id rmk's patch work?
14:19.20koendid*
14:19.35hrw|workcr
14:19.43hrw|workkoen: no zaurus here today
14:21.33hrw|workkoen: and his patch is to get more debug infos not for getting work
14:22.00koenI see
14:24.32chouimat"Biology is the only science in which multiplication means the same
14:24.32chouimatthing as division."
14:26.45koenzecke: 17" macbook pro: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
14:30.28zeckekoen: I want 12" ;)
14:30.37koenzecke: me too
14:30.46zeckekoen: or is a slave for carrying included?
14:30.58zeckee.g. if they give me a segway for free, I might get that 17" thing
14:31.22koenwtf?
14:31.30zecke?
14:31.31koenthe 17" is E200 cheaper as teh 15"
14:31.55koen2.16GHz/100GB - 7200RPM/1GB ram
14:32.19koen17": 3012,81, 15": 3224,40
14:32.58koen(with applecare)
14:33.53koenlet's hope the 12" is E2500 cheaper as the 17"
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14:42.38LaibschI am new to patching.
14:43.59LaibschIs it really necessary to have both old and new directories inside the same directory to create a good patch?  That leads to clutter.  I would rather keep all changes in a completely separate directory.
14:44.42zeckeuse quilt ;)
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14:45.12hrw|workLaibsch: do like you like. but I suggest quilt
14:45.26Laibschquilt?
14:45.34LaibschI thought I needed to use diff?
14:46.12hrw|workquilt is a tool to manage patches/whole patchsets etc
14:46.49hrw|workquilt new my-first.patch;quilt edit file-to-change;quilt refresh == patches/my-first.patch which contain changes from file-to-change
14:47.59zeckeLaibsch: you can  use diff directly
14:50.56LaibschDirectly?  To create a patch set for two directories?  Like "LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC0 diff -Naur $PATH2OLDDIR $PATH2NEWDIR"?  Won't that create problems if you include the full path?  The man page of patch advises agains this which is why I asked.
14:51.29JustinPkoen: thanks
14:52.04hrw|workLaibsch: your way of using diff is OK
14:55.50hrw|workhow big is / on c700/c750?
14:55.59Laibschhrw|work: Maybe I will stay with diff for now.  But quilt does sound attractive.
14:56.10LaibschI will test it out briefly.
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14:58.06do13Hi all
14:58.36goxboxliveWhat does this mean: | /usr/src/universal/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqte ?? How can i get lqte support?
14:59.13koenhey do13
14:59.15lrghey Dirk
14:59.34do13hey koen, lrg
14:59.37lrgdo13: did you see my 2nd email ?
15:00.01zeckegoxboxlive: giving it a -L line with the path added
15:00.02do13lrg: Yeah, this sounds better:)
15:00.13lrgdo13, cool
15:01.02hrw|workdo13: how big is / on tosa?
15:03.08Laibschhrw|work: I agree quilt is awesome and thanks to your help quite easy to use.
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15:03.30CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8eb25908... 10/classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass: rootfs_ipk.bbclass: use tmp/lists for keeping ipkg packages lists and remove them after package install
15:03.34CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r703c4b92... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: zaurus-clamshell: moved ir-usb module to usbhost modules
15:04.38do13hrw|work: 28 meg
15:04.43hrw|workcan someone with c7x0 do one test for me? I have image to flash
15:04.46hrw|workdo13: thx
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15:16.01CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * rf0f7c074... 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2006.9.conf: angstrom: s/CVSDATE/SRCDATE/
15:18.48goxboxlivezecke: i didnt understand that with -L . Look at this http://pastebin.com/679022 Can you explain more in detail what i should do, andwith wich file?
15:19.56hrw|workhttp://oe.pastebin.com/679028
15:20.23zeckegoxboxlive: those are 'linker' flags
15:20.51zeckegoxboxlive: -l links to a library
15:21.03zeckegoxboxlive: -L says where to look for that lib
15:21.55koenhrw|work: yes, that's the correct way to generate summed images for c7x0
15:21.58koen~lart sharp
15:23.04hrw|workkoen: akita use header too or not? (I do not remember)
15:24.12LaibschMight be a bit off-topic.  But I have two or three files left-over from previous OE build which completely refuse to be rm'ed:"# rm -Rf /usr/src/openembedded/work.old/
15:24.12Laibschrm: cannot remove `/usr/src/openembedded/work.old//native-linux/libtool-native-1.5.10-r3/libtool-1.5.10/tests/tagdemo-shared.test': Operation not permitted"  How can that be?
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15:25.55CosmicPenguinsounds like the permissions are bad
15:26.16LaibschBut I a root!
15:26.22LaibschBut I am root!
15:26.45CosmicPenguinyour point being>
15:26.46CosmicPenguin?
15:26.51hrw|workLaibsch: filesystem fscked?
15:27.42LaibschYes.  But I will do that again next time.
15:28.00LaibschCosmicPenguin: As root I should be able to delete any file.
15:28.04zeckecya
15:28.29koenLaibsch: no, 'chattr +i <foo>' removes that privilege
15:28.41hrw|workor fscked filesystem
15:29.13Laibschkoen: Does any of the OE stuff ever do that?
15:29.36hrw|workLaibsch: OE not, packages makefiles can...
15:30.53LaibschIt seems like koen's hint was right.  After chattr -i I was able to delete that sucker.  Is that really necessary or is it bug to use chattr +i with OE?
15:31.26CosmicPenguinwhat do you think?
15:31.41LaibschI would think it is a bug.
15:32.03LaibschBut then again I do not know what it might be needed for.
15:32.15LaibschI do not know about chattr.  Have not used it so far.
15:32.43hrw|workcu
15:32.57CosmicPenguinSo if you have never had reason to use it  to build anything before, then you must assume that it was probably a mistake to require it this time
15:33.11koenLaibsch: I use chattr on my resolv.conf to avoid dhclient overwriting it
15:33.35hrw|gonekoen: configure dhclient to not update dns then ;)
15:33.51koentoo much trouble
15:33.56CosmicPenguinuse unionfs and mount a ramfs over it
15:33.57CosmicPenguin:)
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15:34.04koenand it saves me from idiots with root as well
15:34.07koeni.e. me
15:37.11Cockroach-evening
15:38.52LaibschOK, bug 903 it is.
15:41.14Cockroach-...I'll ask here as well. What is the monotone branch for familiar 0.8.4? still oz354fam083?
15:42.16pb__yes
15:42.28Cockroach-allright, just had to make sure. :)
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16:06.22CIA-903florian 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r9196568e... 10/packages/meta/gpe-image.bb: gpe-image: Replace sylpheed with vlc-gpe which is big as well but is supposed to work on QVGA PDAs in contrast to Sylpheed.
16:07.05LaibschHow can I have quilt apply its patches to a subdirectory instead of the working directory?
16:07.29LaibschI guess I want the opposite of the strip command.
16:09.35CIA-903florian 07org.oe.dev * rfd21124c... 10/packages/gnome/ (gnome-vfs-dbus/werror_compile.patch gnome-vfs-dbus_svn.bb): gnome-vfs-dbus: Make compile again, add missing patch.
16:09.39CIA-903florian 07org.oe.dev * r54294995... 10/packages/libeventdb/libeventdb_cvs.bb: libeventdb: Add cvs version.
16:09.43CIA-903florian 07org.oe.dev * r5abdf304... 10/packages/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar_cvs.bb: gpe-calendar: Update cvs bb version.
16:09.48CIA-903florian 07org.oe.dev * r095485c1... 10/packages/gpe-filemanager/gpe-filemanager_0.25.bb: gpe-filemanager: Adjust recommended vfs plugins.
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17:10.29Laibschzecke: Coming back to bug 623 and encoding.  Should I just mention the enconding of the files in the bug report?  Or should I include it somehow in the diff (if so, how?)?
17:10.52LaibschOh, zecke seems to be gone.  Anyone know the answer?
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18:04.49cedric__~praise RP for the charging code on the poodle!!
18:04.50ibotAll hail RP for the charging code on the poodle!!!
18:10.11cedric__~praise RP for suspend/resume on the poodle!!
18:10.13ibotAll hail RP for suspend/resume on the poodle!!!
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18:13.34cedric__I'm getting this on .dev --> http://pastebin.com/679401
18:14.27cedric__can't find gtk-webcore 20060212 from oesources and sf cvs is down...
18:15.26JustinPcedric__: yep, pretty much....
18:16.06koencedric__: check http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/sources/
18:16.16koenthat contains some cvs stuff
18:16.19JustinPkoen: you beat me, I was going to point him there ;-)
18:16.48koenI'm not sure if it's in there, though
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18:31.50zeckewow my physics 'teacher' is a jedi
18:33.27zeckehis lsaer-sable moving made me feel dizzy
18:33.46koencan he do handwaving as well?
18:33.51koen*waves hand*
18:33.55koen"you will fail this course"
18:34.22koenI wish teachers would stop doing that
18:34.26zeckekoen: no, worst lecturer I have been to
18:34.46zeckekoen: where is the point in pointin with a laser pointer to a clock/watch
18:35.00zeckekoen: where is the point is making a circle (within a second) around a box on his slides
18:35.07zeckehe should fucking use uncover for that
18:38.00koenheh
18:38.26zeckekoen: I'm about to write him :}
18:38.46zeckekoen: I have been to bad and talk talks, but this one made me feel bad
18:39.12koenI just walk out of bad talks
18:39.23koenduring the coffee break
18:39.36zeckekoen: yeah, it was good that I was there
18:39.40koenif they are really bad I don't even wait for those
18:39.47zeckekoen: my 'tutorium' was cancelled :}
18:40.55koenwe have an e-learning system for those announcements
18:41.14koenwhich I always forget to check
18:43.03koenah, TI mexico now has a board running OE built packages :)
18:55.51koenhey mreimer
18:56.07mreimerhey koen
18:56.28mreimerkoen: how's angstrom treating you?
18:59.06koenmreimer: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/angstrom/unstable/images/
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18:59.23mreimerkoen: emphasis on "unstable"?
18:59.29koenyes
18:59.36koenthe new kdrive is unstable as hell
18:59.50koencombine that with eabi teething problems...
19:00.54mreimerit's going to be a rough road, but worth it
19:09.57goxboxliveZecke: At last i managed to build my opie-image again. This time i shall not update my dev branch, never again :-) Thanks a lot for your help ( also to you other guys who contribute)
19:10.50koenmreimer: jffs2 generation seems to be broken for h2200 in .dev
19:11.02zeckegoxboxlive: use the power of monotone
19:11.08zeckegoxboxlive: once working tag it, branch it ;)
19:11.48mreimerkoen: maybe it needs --no-cleanmarkers like .oz354fam083 h2200.conf does
19:12.08koenmkfs.jffs2 bails outs with the help message
19:14.09cedric__JustinP/Koen: thx
19:15.26koenmreimer: conf/machine/h2200.conf.orig:EXTRA_IMAGECMD_h2200_jffs2 = "--pad --no-cleanmarkers --pagesize=512 --eraseblock=16384"
19:15.36koenmreimer: I think -e needs hex
19:16.39koen0x10000?
19:16.40mreimerkoen: from .oz354fam083: EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2_h2200 = "--pad --no-cleanmarkers --eraseblock=16384"
19:16.46mreimerkoen: 0x1000
19:16.58mreimerkoen: err, 0x4000
19:17.07mreimerkoen: omit pagesie
19:17.23koenyes, I pasted the wwrong file
19:17.25mreimerkoen: I know .oz354fam083 h2200.conf is good
19:17.45koen.dev has the same and breaks
19:17.54koen(newer mtd-utils)
19:18.27mreimerah
19:19.35koenonce it works I'll add sumtool support
19:21.55mreimerkoen: don't bother adding sumtool support for h2200. I generated a sumtool image once but it increased the size of the image by about 6M. Evidently it doesn't work well with small page NAND
19:24.21koenhttp://handhelds.org/hypermail/angstrom-dev/0/0050.html
19:34.19RPkoen: I think ARM kernels are currently broken under EABI if they use enums that userspace sees. I've just posted to lakml about it...
19:34.45koengreat
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19:39.48koen"he EABI defines an optional system for controlling the size of C enumerated types. For arm-linux it was decided to keep the existing behaviour (enums are at least the same size as an int) for consistency with other Linux systems."
19:40.04koenis the kernel messing that up?
19:40.22RPkoen: yes
19:41.36RPkoen: I've sent a proposed fix to the arm mailing list. Basically s/aapcs/aapcs-linux/ in the arm Makefile
19:41.47koenah, gmane has it now
19:42.11koenit would be so cool if git and monotone could import sed commands :)
19:42.46koen-CFLAGS_ABI:=-mabi=aapcs -mno-thumb-interwork
19:42.46koen+CFLAGS_ABI:=-mabi=aapcs-linux -mno-thumb-interwork
19:43.08koenthumb-interwork would be nice for the kernelsize
19:45.37RPkoen: One step at a time ;-)
19:47.15mreimerkoen: did I tell you about the latest LAB change I made, so we don't need a labrun file?
19:47.35koenDTRT?
19:47.58mreimerDo The Right Thing
19:48.34mreimerthat lets us have one kernel that can boot from any media, rather than having to have separate zImages for each kind of media, or labrun files
19:48.53mreimerlabrun is still useful for tweaking args or mounting rootfs from media different from the media the kernel was loaded from
19:50.09koenit was to be expected
19:50.26koenI just nailed SRCDATE down to today in angstrom
19:50.38koenI guess I'll have to move it to tomorrow :)
19:50.52mreimerkoen: :-) sorry 'bout that
19:59.28lamikrkoen: Have I understood correctly that EABI is somekind of binary compatibility method for C/C++? How is it better than the previous C/C++ binary compatibility apis that has been in gcc. I mean are there now really changes that the binaries would stay compatible between gcc versions?
19:59.55koenit's not about c++
20:00.05koenit's more about floating point stuff: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
20:04.32lamikrok... So mixing soft and hard floating point code. Are you seeing alignment problems with angstrom and EABI packages?
20:04.48koenyes
20:05.13koenbut that is to be expected with all those bad x86 assumptions in code
20:05.56lamikrI thought we have had needed to do alignment fixes already to xserver, etc with the old gcc versions.
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20:06.34koenwe operate in fixup mode, so alignment problems aren't fatal
20:08.13mreimerIs bitbake 1.4.0 safe to use with .oz354fam083?
20:08.32pb_seems to be, yeah
20:09.05mreimerthanks pb_
20:09.40reenoolamikr: can I talk you into writing an fstab for h6300?
20:10.10pb_mreimer: heh, I guess you should thank Uberhacker Zecke for the unprecedented level of QA testing on bitbake 1.4.0.
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20:11.10mreimerzecke: thanks for all your work on bb 1.4.0
20:11.23mreimerzecke: the faster parsing is really speeding up my dev work
20:17.21zeckemreimer: wow awesome
20:17.31zeckemreimer: I'm glad to hear that, really glad
20:17.35lamikrreenoo: Yes, I was planning to start fixing it.
20:18.26reenoolamikr: excellent, thanks
20:19.35lamikrI am currently working with another small issue but once I get it done, I will jump to fstab.
20:19.50koenlamikr: don't forget to commit it to .dev
20:20.32cedricbI've flashed a new gpe image from .dev and it erase /home/root
20:21.53lamikrkoen: Yes, I will do it. In which condition the dev is now, I tried to use the h6300 machine conf from 084 in dev some days ago, but the gpe-image creation failed to some weird error like not resolving libusb that was however compiled.
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20:27.39koenmickeyl: you failed the exercise ;)
20:30.02cedricb~ping RP
20:30.03ibotpong RP
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20:31.25RPhi cedricb
20:32.07cedricbhi richard
20:32.34cedricbI've insert an ext2 mmc card, it mounted ok
20:33.00cedricbeject it and re-insert it and it doesn't mount again...
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20:36.25RPcedricb: Interestingly, mine didn't mount on the second insertion, then locked up the keyboard and serial line on the 3rd try (touchscreen and apps still worked!)
20:39.12cedricbI've logged out and gpe desn't restart, but I can navigate via ssh
20:41.02cedricbbut maybe it's something else...
20:42.25cedricbpcmcia: ide-cs: invalid hash for product string "SEAGATE": is 0x76dc4190, should be 0x87c1b330
20:42.25cedricbpcmcia: see Documentation/pcmcia/devicetable.txt for details
20:42.25cedricbpcmcia: ide-cs: invalid hash for product string "ST1": is 0xcfba9599, should be 0xe1f30883
20:42.25cedricbpcmcia: see Documentation/pcmcia/devicetable.txt for details
20:42.49cedricbanother strange thing in the boot log...
20:47.44cedricbRP: all my mmc cards are reconised; 256M viking (ext2) and 16M scandisk (fvat)
20:48.19cedricbon boot the mmc card are not mounted by default
20:49.22cedricbit's ok if I umount manually before ejecting a card
20:49.42RPcedricb: The pcmcia errors can be ignored - there's something wrong with one of hrw|gone's patches
20:50.04RPautomount on book should work :-/
20:51.10cedricbit doesn't...
20:51.31cedricbI have too eject/insert it
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20:53.31koenRP: it seems you were right about the enums
20:53.36koenRP: one problem down :)
20:54.01RPcedricb: I think the modifications to mount.sh (the automount script) have had some unintended side effects...
20:54.19RPkoen: You have no idea how much grief that issue has caused me today ;-)
20:56.24RPcedricb: I don't think this is a poodle issue and is more to do with the automounter. Unmounting suddenly removed disks has always been problematic at best
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21:00.10cedricbnite all
21:00.17likewisenite
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21:27.51zeckegood nite guys
21:27.58pb_later zecke
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21:32.28pb_g'day kergoth
21:32.33kergothhey
21:42.32AlexTe|workI have made a .bb file to compile some app, it compiles and runs fine on the Z but there is no ipk produced. What's wrong ?
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21:54.01cyrilRomainAlexTe: did you uncomment 'INHERIT = "package_ipk"' in your local.conf ? (i may be wrong but seems to be the thing to do)
21:55.37AlexTeI dont have INHERIT in my local.conf. But other packages do produce an ipk
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21:56.14cyrilRomainAlexTe: hum.. no idea then :-(
21:56.15CoreDump|homere
22:01.05AlexTewhat "inherit" am I supposed to use to compile an app that has a .pro file ?
22:01.13AlexTecurrently using "palmtop"
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22:16.07CIA-903mwester 07org.oe.dev * r3688814e... 10/conf/distro/unslung.conf: Unslung: unslung.conf, change options to mkfs.jffs2 in order to get rid of extraneous message at boot.
22:16.11CIA-903mwester 07org.oe.dev * rc0f2020b... 10/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs/NOTES: unslung_rootfs: NOTES, update changelog.
22:22.34RPAny objections to adding COMPATIBLE_MACHINE?
22:27.59TheMasterMind1RP:  i object
22:28.14TheMasterMind1ignore me.
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22:59.53CIA-9base.bbclass: Add COMPATIBLE_MACHINE to list machines any given package/file is
22:59.53CIA-9compatible with. Update documentation.conf accordingly.
22:59.58CIA-903rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rca7ad03b... 10/packages/linux/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
22:59.58CIA-9linux-oz-2.6 updates:
22:59.58CIA-9* Enable MOUSEDEV support in defconfigs.
22:59.58CIA-9* Add suitable COMPATIBLE_MACHINE entry.
23:00.02CIA-903rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r654ad23c... 10/packages/binutils/ (files/objdump_fix.patch binutils_2.15.94.0.1.bb): binutils 2.15.94.0.1: Add patch to fix objdump output on ARM. Will probably be of use on other versions but I've not tested that.
23:07.42emtebusy day today
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23:40.33CIA-903florian 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r27390a04... 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): gpe-today: Add fixed release 0.11, drop obsolete releases, adjust preferred versions.
23:40.37CIA-903florian 07org.oe.dev * r459e8f3f... 10/packages/gpe-today/ (5 files in 3 dirs): gpe-today: Add new release, drob obsolete ones.
23:46.42CIA-903rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r4ec95ea4... 10/packages/ (21 files in 3 dirs):
23:46.42CIA-9Add some COMPATIBLE_MACHINE entries for various zaurus .bb files.
23:46.42CIA-9Also update python functions doing the same job to use COMPATIBLE_(MACHINE|HOST)
23:50.36*** join/#oe Ken|JLime (n=Ken|JLim@h7n2fls312o1049.telia.com)
23:50.50Ken|JLimeanyone know what the "--with-tls" glibc option does, and if its needed at all
23:53.59Ken|JLimekergoth: ?

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