| 00:18.15 | bioeng | Is anyone here? |
| 00:18.33 | kergoth | if you have questions, ask them. dont ask to ask, just spit it out already |
| 00:19.11 | bioeng | I recently learned C and C++ |
| 00:19.37 | bioeng | I also understand machine assembler language |
| 00:19.51 | woglinde_ | bioeng thats fine |
| 00:20.00 | bioeng | The problem is that I do not know more advanced concepts of programming |
| 00:20.15 | kergoth | so what's the question? |
| 00:20.34 | bioeng | What level of programming is required for embedded programming? |
| 00:20.38 | woglinde_ | bioeng you are fine for programming slave, dont try to break put *g* |
| 00:20.46 | woglinde_ | out |
| 00:20.56 | nemu | bioeng : advanced conception :( |
| 00:21.09 | kergoth | embedded programming is just programming, while ensuring your code is portable and keeping in mind the resource constraints of the system. |
| 00:21.38 | bioeng | I've been learning more about it lately |
| 00:22.20 | bioeng | especially since I'm entering my final year as an EE student |
| 00:23.03 | bioeng | My technical areas in EE are power and computer engineering |
| 00:23.41 | bioeng | My old friend from college is an embedded software engineer |
| 00:24.10 | bioeng | I'd be interested in getting into it too |
| 00:25.04 | woglinde_ | kergoth do you know if it possible to run kerneldebugger on serial line? |
| 00:25.16 | nemu | bioeng : system programming ? |
| 00:25.34 | kergoth | woglinde_: pretty sure you can, but its been a long time since i messed with it.. i'm more of a printk() debugger :) |
| 00:26.06 | bioeng | I think they have a course required for computer engineers called systems programming in the CS department |
| 00:26.52 | bioeng | but what do you mean by programming slave? |
| 00:26.56 | nemu | bioeng : embedded programming is just programming. if u want to control computer(chip, device... etc), it means system programming. |
| 00:27.31 | bioeng | It doesn't really require much beyond what's covered in an intro to C++ book? |
| 00:28.11 | kergoth | it completely depends on what you want to be doing. |
| 00:29.25 | bioeng | My friend works for Boeing as an embedded software engineer |
| 00:30.01 | bioeng | I thought that was really cool |
| 00:30.24 | kergoth | doing what? kernel development? drivers? applications? or to bare metal, on smaller chips like the atmel avr? |
| 00:30.26 | woglinde_ | arhs no kgdb for arm |
| 00:30.31 | kergoth | :\ |
| 00:30.44 | kergoth | printk is your friend :) |
| 00:30.57 | woglinde_ | yes |
| 00:30.58 | bioeng | I'm not sure |
| 00:31.05 | bioeng | That's mostly what I know |
| 00:31.10 | woglinde_ | I played with it the whole day |
| 00:31.13 | woglinde_ | and yesterday |
| 00:31.24 | kergoth | well, as you can tell, there are a number of areas to get into, and what you want to be doing greatly affects the skillsets you need |
| 00:31.36 | kergoth | if you're just doing applications work in linux machines, its not much different than applications work on a desktop. |
| 00:31.54 | nemu | bioeng : kergoth right! :) |
| 00:32.04 | bioeng | ok |
| 00:32.09 | bioeng | What else is there? |
| 00:32.51 | kergoth | kernel/drivers work, likely involves takling to the hardware, writing teh drivers so linux or whatever operating system can access the hardware. that may be more your cup of tea if you're an EE |
| 00:33.25 | bioeng | That's what I was aiming for |
| 00:33.33 | kergoth | or even lower level than that, coding firmware for microprocessors |
| 00:33.34 | bioeng | kernel/drivers, hardware stuff |
| 00:33.37 | bioeng | that too |
| 00:33.43 | bioeng | I'm really good with hardware |
| 00:33.52 | bioeng | I just need to get better in software |
| 00:33.54 | kergoth | get really good with C if you arent already :) |
| 00:34.49 | bioeng | Where can I find the source for OpenEmbedded? |
| 00:35.07 | kergoth | go tot he getting started page on openembedded.org :P |
| 00:35.40 | nemu | bioeng : openembedded is just linux. :) |
| 00:35.43 | kergoth | OE is mainly used to maintain, build, and to a certain extent deploy, the linux distribution, packages, and toolchain for the device. |
| 00:36.58 | nemu | bioeng : if u like the hardware, u have to learn device driver programming with kernel. |
| 00:37.08 | bioeng | ok |
| 00:37.11 | kergoth | if you're looking to work with linux, that is :) |
| 00:37.26 | bioeng | I need to get a linux copy up and running on my desktop |
| 00:37.29 | kergoth | there are a number of excellent books on the subject, good sites (kernelnewbies.org, and others), and of course teh linux kernel mailing list |
| 00:37.47 | bioeng | What build of linux do you recommend for OE? |
| 00:37.57 | kergoth | doesnt matter, generally |
| 00:38.05 | bioeng | I have Ubuntu |
| 00:38.07 | kergoth | oe builds the tools it needs for the most part. see our site, it has the requirements |
| 00:38.10 | kergoth | should work fine |
| 00:38.33 | woglinde_ | bioeng did you work usally with visual studio? |
| 00:38.51 | bioeng | In school, I mostly worked with java |
| 00:38.59 | bioeng | which was a bad choice |
| 00:39.10 | bioeng | That's why I switched over to some real languages |
| 00:39.12 | woglinde_ | bioeng where is c/c++ in java? |
| 00:39.12 | nemu | bioeng : np. u can get linux kernel on http://kernel.org |
| 00:39.15 | kergoth | its times like this i'm glad i didnt go for a CS degree |
| 00:39.18 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:39.37 | bioeng | kergoth: What degree did you pursue? |
| 00:39.54 | kergoth | none |
| 00:40.02 | kergoth | just did open source work, then got jobs in the field |
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| 00:41.17 | woglinde_ | okay have to got bed |
| 00:41.19 | woglinde_ | nite |
| 00:41.22 | bioeng | night |
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| 00:41.34 | woglinde_ | maybe tommorrow I get the damnit gadet driver to run |
| 00:41.47 | kergoth | i started in embedded with the sharp zaurus |
| 00:42.05 | bioeng | I heard Ubuntu had built-in dual boot support |
| 00:42.21 | woglinde_ | that depends on the bootloader |
| 00:42.24 | bioeng | It gave you an option at boot to boot either Ubuntu Linux or Windows XP |
| 00:42.38 | kergoth | founded openzaurus, the alternative distro for it, got into distribution, kernel/drivers, and applications work there, then got into build tools and started OE, got into configuration management with the opie project... not exaclty a specialist :P |
| 00:42.48 | bioeng | That's what I heard anyways |
| 00:42.56 | kergoth | bioeng: it should, yes. make sure you install ubuntu after windows, not the other way around. windows tends to hose the mbr |
| 00:43.07 | bioeng | I am running Windows right now |
| 00:43.30 | bioeng | so if I install Linux |
| 00:43.37 | bioeng | or Ubuntu |
| 00:43.49 | woglinde_ | linux is only the kernel |
| 00:43.57 | woglinde_ | ubuntu is a distribution |
| 00:44.07 | bioeng | Ubuntu, I mean |
| 00:44.10 | woglinde_ | with the linuxkernel and other stuff packed |
| 00:44.16 | bioeng | so I'll install Ubuntu |
| 00:44.24 | woglinde_ | yes |
| 00:44.28 | woglinde_ | do it |
| 00:44.36 | bioeng | and it should provide the option to boot either OS at startup? |
| 00:44.59 | kergoth | partitioning could be an issue. does ubuntu provide resizing of the windows partition? i doubt it |
| 00:45.00 | woglinde_ | but you should save your files of the windows partions |
| 00:45.13 | woglinde_ | kergoth that isnt always save |
| 00:45.20 | woglinde_ | better do backups |
| 00:45.21 | kergoth | anyway, we've come far afield, this isnt appropriate for this channel |
| 00:45.24 | woglinde_ | and reinstall both |
| 00:45.36 | woglinde_ | node |
| 00:45.38 | woglinde_ | and off |
| 00:46.14 | bioeng | OK |
| 00:46.38 | kergoth | and this channel is really for OE specifically, not general embedded, so this all wouldve been moer appropriate in #elinux than here |
| 00:46.41 | kergoth | but oh well' |
| 00:47.27 | bioeng | It has convinced me to join your project to get some experience though |
| 00:48.24 | kergoth | sounds like a good start. a lot of the books on embedded linux just show you what the components are of an embedded linux system and what projects are useful, and such. not much more than you'd learn playing with the uclibc buildroot or OE |
| 00:48.38 | bioeng | I'm excited that I'm going to able to at least claim some experience in civil and electrical engineering and in biology |
| 00:49.02 | bioeng | All three before I got out of school in each one |
| 00:49.12 | bioeng | So thank you kergoth |
| 00:49.40 | bioeng | Although I could not locate an embedded linux or linux book at my regional Barnes and Noble |
| 00:50.37 | kergoth | i'd suggest reading up on some of the projects we make use of. busybox for example, is one of the most important packages in most embedded linux systems |
| 00:50.42 | kergoth | busybox.net :) |
| 00:51.41 | bioeng | Thanks |
| 00:52.07 | bioeng | I get an ISO of Ubuntu install and it should install at boot |
| 00:54.06 | bioeng | I'll be back if I have any further questions |
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| 01:03.34 | JustinP | spectrum-fw causes a type of bitbake error I've never seen before.... |
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| 04:55.18 | CSMan | will bitbake run on a macbook ? |
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| 06:25.40 | eFfeM | hi, is there a place to backread #oe ? |
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| 06:48.28 | JustinP | !logs |
| 06:48.29 | cdbot | JustinP: I have no frelling idea! |
| 06:48.32 | JustinP | ack |
| 06:48.35 | JustinP | ~logs |
| 06:48.41 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 06:48.50 | JustinP | eFfeM: there you go |
| 06:49.21 | eFfeM | JustinP: tnx |
| 06:50.38 | eFfeM | i had the idea that somewhere there was also a searchable archive (but anyway I think I have the info i need) |
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| 07:50.32 | eFfeM | kergoth: are you there |
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| 07:52.05 | eFfeM | ~seen kergoth |
| 07:52.18 | ibot | kergoth is currently on #oe #wowace #elinux. Has said a total of 424 messages. Is idling for 11m 58s, last said: 'hate being a lowbie with no cash'. |
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| 07:56.11 | eFfeM | hi phil |
| 07:57.21 | pb_ | hi eFfeM |
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| 08:44.45 | Ifaistos | greetings ! |
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| 09:11.40 | eFfeM | hi, has anyone a solution for "does not support interworking" error messages ? these break the zlib build with gcc 4.1.1 |
| 09:13.56 | eFfeM | apparently not all files are compiled with -mthumb-interwork |
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| 09:24.12 | RP | hi zecke |
| 09:24.19 | zecke | RP: hey |
| 09:24.29 | RP | zecke: Those pastebin urls you posted yesterday don't work (pastebin is broken) |
| 09:24.48 | zecke | RP: I do regular poky builds now, but this debian testing is broken :} |
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| 09:25.13 | RP | debian testing? |
| 09:25.31 | zecke | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=59&logfile=20060610112403.log <- |
| 09:25.44 | zecke | the machine I'm doing the builds on, is breaking the poky build |
| 09:26.05 | zecke | RP: pokys' bitbake could deserve the latest patch from the BitBake trunk |
| 09:26.17 | zecke | RP: this makes it print the 'Build Started' screen always |
| 09:26.51 | RP | zecke: This is from the stable bitbake branch? |
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| 09:27.38 | zecke | yes |
| 09:28.38 | zecke | http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/bitbake?view=rev&rev=533 |
| 09:29.13 | RP | I remember reviewing the change :) |
| 09:30.15 | zecke | okay I'm getting breakfast now, then cya later (tomorrow) |
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| 09:32.53 | RP | zecke: I'm updating now :) |
| 09:33.11 | mithro | hey RP |
| 09:33.17 | RP | hi mithro |
| 09:33.31 | mithro | you wouldn't know how hard it is to update a module from 2.4's USB structure to 2.6? |
| 09:33.41 | zecke | RP: you will break my autobuilder :} |
| 09:34.17 | RP | mithro: I once did that and I don't remember it being that bad. A lot has changed since then though... |
| 09:36.25 | RP | zecke: Committed :) |
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| 09:37.53 | zecke | reverted my local change |
| 09:37.59 | RP | zecke: That problem you're seeing could be the bug kergorth mentioned |
| 09:38.20 | zecke | RP: woglinde said it is a debian regression |
| 09:38.30 | zecke | oh well :) |
| 09:38.37 | zecke | damn no time to look into it |
| 09:39.06 | RP | zecke: try running bitbake autoconf-native, then running a build |
| 09:40.46 | zecke | okay it didn't build autoconf-native |
| 09:41.06 | RP | Perhaps it is a debian regression then :) |
| 09:41.12 | eFfeM | RP: zecke, is the preferred compiler flag default for arm thumb-interwork or nothumb-interwork? |
| 09:42.53 | zecke | eFfeM: hehe, I prefer nothumb-interwork because I own StrongARM systems |
| 09:43.05 | zecke | but that is my preference |
| 09:43.32 | RP | eFfeM: I'd have thought nothumb-interwork |
| 09:43.38 | eFfeM | well I am trying to get a gcc 4.1.1. buildable system and apparently gcc builds with nothumb but glibc builds with |
| 09:44.12 | eFfeM | and also the std compiler flag seems to be with |
| 09:44.47 | eFfeM | this causes gcc to emit a warning which causes that zlib does think shared libary is not supported |
| 09:45.02 | eFfeM | (the test in zlib configure is not very good) |
| 09:45.19 | zecke | RP: I wonder why the same oh-image once worked and once not |
| 09:45.40 | pb_ | zecke: good morning |
| 09:45.41 | eFfeM | deciding what the best fix would be |
| 09:46.29 | RP | eFfeM: I guess you need to confirm what the thumb-interwork default is, then work out whether glibc or gcc is getting it wrong :) |
| 09:46.37 | eFfeM | actually I wold expect this to be some default in conf |
| 09:46.49 | RP | zecke: Nothing much has changed in poky recently... |
| 09:47.05 | eFfeM | RP it can be made to work both ways |
| 09:47.50 | zecke | RP: so it worked because the installed auto* worked by coincidence |
| 09:47.57 | zecke | RP: after my debian upgrade it... |
| 09:49.13 | RP | zecke: I've just set my autobuild scripts running so they'll feed tinderbox a bit :) |
| 09:49.32 | mithro | so whats up people? |
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| 09:51.16 | RP | Hmm. Someone's failing on qemu-native wanting SDL support :-/ |
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| 10:04.44 | zecke | RP: me? |
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| 10:05.02 | zecke | bmz = BMCO Forum zecke |
| 10:05.04 | RP | zecke: Could be |
| 10:08.18 | mithro | BMCO? |
| 10:09.33 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.07 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.08 | mithro | the DVB-H stuff you where showing me? |
| 10:10.58 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 10:11.30 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.47 | zecke | I just remember how low the quality of debian testing is :} |
| 10:12.57 | zecke | remembered... |
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| 10:19.03 | zecke | okay going to study now |
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| 10:26.18 | ade|home | ello folks |
| 10:33.51 | eFfeM | hi ade|home |
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| 10:40.22 | ade|home | wow its quiet in here for a saturday |
| 10:41.19 | eFfeM | yes, first day since ages with hot weather in w eur |
| 10:41.25 | eFfeM | ~weather eheh |
| 10:43.05 | ade|home | hmm wonder what the code is for cambridge uk |
| 10:43.26 | ade|home | ~weather |
| 10:46.53 | ade|home | ~weather egsc |
| 10:47.24 | NAbyss | ~weather ymml |
| 11:07.51 | DataBeaver | How do I get the source tree pulled with monotone 0.26? |
| 11:08.00 | DataBeaver | I get "mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, disconnecting" |
| 11:08.06 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Use 0.25.. |
| 11:09.26 | DataBeaver | Anyone happen to have debian package for 0.25 around? (Or installed, to be packed with dpkg-repack) |
| 11:10.00 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Yep |
| 11:10.05 | NAbyss | i386? |
| 11:10.08 | DataBeaver | Yeah |
| 11:12.16 | NAbyss | http://tucuxi.org/monotone_0.25-0.1_i386.deb |
| 11:12.49 | DataBeaver | Thanks |
| 11:12.54 | NAbyss | np |
| 11:19.08 | mickeyl | morning |
| 11:22.47 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r3c51b3a5... 10/packages/orinoco/spectrum-fw.bb: spectrum-fw: fix broken fix. close #1075 |
| 11:31.55 | mickeyl | anyone know why udev is creating dozens of tty[a-z][a-z] devices and how to stop it from doing that? |
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| 11:35.59 | zecke | mickeyl: because you have a lot pty's configurged? |
| 11:36.08 | zecke | mickeyl: and udev has a rule for to create a tty? |
| 11:36.08 | mickeyl | do i? |
| 11:36.09 | mickeyl | where? |
| 11:36.30 | zecke | kernel config, I think one has ~256 ptys by default |
| 11:36.34 | mickeyl | ah |
| 11:36.37 | mickeyl | what are pty's good for? |
| 11:36.40 | zecke | mickeyl: and in /etc/udev/rules* |
| 11:36.47 | zecke | mickeyl: pseudo terminals? |
| 11:36.52 | zecke | like opie-console |
| 11:36.59 | NAbyss | mickeyl: ssh sessions, xterms.. |
| 11:37.04 | zecke | or its clone xterm |
| 11:37.16 | mickeyl | hmm, ok, i guess on a phone i don't need 256 of those |
| 11:37.25 | NAbyss | Yeah, a handful at most.. |
| 11:39.06 | zecke | I'm not sure, but I think we can have variable sized pty's |
| 11:39.13 | zecke | mickeyl: and you stop me from studying :} |
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| 11:39.23 | zecke | mickeyl: why is that an issue? (so manny tty files)? |
| 11:41.06 | mickeyl | it slows done boot time |
| 11:41.22 | mickeyl | "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" |
| 11:41.24 | mickeyl | tap foot... |
| 11:41.47 | mickeyl | go ahead with your studies... i will as well now :) |
| 11:41.49 | zecke | mickeyl: okay :) |
| 11:42.59 | zecke | mickeyl: http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/char/Kconfig |
| 11:43.08 | zecke | mickeyl: search for pty, and check if that applies to your issue |
| 11:43.38 | Ifaistos | has anyone noticed any problems with the "recent" make versions i.e 3.81 ? |
| 11:43.59 | zecke | oh and we can make LEGACY_PTYS down to 2 or such... |
| 11:44.09 | zecke | mickeyl: all modern tools should use openpty anyway |
| 11:44.22 | mickeyl | yeah, that may help |
| 11:44.38 | zecke | http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/char/Kconfig#L468 |
| 11:44.58 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 11:45.18 | mickeyl | you ever wrote an i2c driver? |
| 11:45.30 | mickeyl | i need to do one in a couple of weeks |
| 11:45.36 | zecke | mickeyl: not me, long story though :) |
| 11:46.05 | Ifaistos | mickeyl : I have but for atmel mcu's :/ |
| 11:46.22 | zecke | i2c is easy(tm) |
| 11:46.32 | mickeyl | i have a camera here attached to i2c |
| 11:46.37 | mickeyl | a camera without spec sheets |
| 11:46.39 | mickeyl | *grrrr* |
| 11:46.56 | zecke | they do not transfer the image with i2c right? |
| 11:47.03 | Ifaistos | mickeyl : what chipset its using ? |
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| 11:47.16 | zecke | Ifaistos: likely built-in pxa |
| 11:47.26 | mickeyl | zecke: no idea |
| 11:47.29 | Ifaistos | zecke : No it's for camema controls |
| 11:47.34 | mickeyl | lfaistos: agilent adcm2700 |
| 11:47.36 | pb_ | hi mickeyl |
| 11:47.39 | mickeyl | hey phil |
| 11:47.47 | zecke | pb_: master, we just talked about LEGACY_PTY_SUPPORT |
| 11:47.58 | zecke | pb_: this does not effect code which is using openpty/forkpty right? |
| 11:48.11 | Ifaistos | mickeyl : let me have a look in my "trasheap".... |
| 11:48.20 | zecke | pb_: so one could turn it to 2 to stop udev from creaing 256 slaves and 256 masters? |
| 11:48.20 | pb_ | zecke: right |
| 11:48.24 | mickeyl | lfaitos: yeah! :) |
| 11:48.39 | zecke | pb_: do you know if xterm/rxvt is already using openpty? |
| 11:48.40 | mickeyl | luckily we have 2.4 drivers, but they're of questionable quality |
| 11:48.50 | pb_ | zecke: I think one could turn it off altogether nowadays and rely on unix98 ptys |
| 11:49.05 | zecke | thanks :) |
| 11:49.27 | zecke | pb_: well, KConfig lower bound is '1' |
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| 11:50.27 | pb_ | zecke: for LEGACY_PTY_COUNT? that's true, but you can turn off LEGACY_PTY altogether |
| 11:50.46 | pb_ | er, LEGACY_PTYS, that is |
| 11:57.59 | pb_ | zecke|study: enjoy |
| 12:13.22 | Ifaistos | mickeyl : i have something fo the adcm-1700 |
| 12:13.48 | Ifaistos | mickeyl : not sure though we did not get it under nda :/ |
| 12:14.17 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 12:15.02 | mickeyl | i wonder why cheap vga camera chips are treated like mission critical :) |
| 12:15.30 | NAbyss | Who knows.. |
| 12:21.33 | Ifaistos | Has anyone noticed problems with make 3.81 ? |
| 12:21.53 | Ifaistos | i get all kinds of weird errors with it |
| 12:21.56 | NAbyss | Ifaistos: Can't say that I have |
| 12:22.02 | Ifaistos | u-boot does not compile |
| 12:22.21 | Ifaistos | vwdial the same |
| 12:22.51 | Ifaistos | if i switch to a machine with 3.80 they do compile without problems |
| 12:23.51 | zecke|study | Ifaistos: yes, we all had |
| 12:24.00 | zecke|study | Ifaistos: I thought we had fixed those issues |
| 12:24.08 | zecke|study | Ifaistos: most of them are due whitespaces :} |
| 12:29.57 | Ifaistos | zecke : in u-boot i had to change the order the modules were declared |
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| 12:48.08 | zecke|study | RP: hehe, I just saw your advertising of poky on the OE list |
| 12:48.15 | zecke|study | RP: how good is LTT? |
| 12:49.14 | zecke|study | oh my poky build just stopped (detect-stylus was not build) |
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| 13:01.53 | zecke|study | england will lose badly, and then our cities will burn once again :} |
| 13:02.17 | ade|home | ssssssh |
| 13:02.56 | zecke|study | lol |
| 13:03.23 | zecke|study | I will reverse the stragey |
| 13:03.31 | zecke|study | England will win for sure... |
| 13:03.46 | ade|home | own goal , oh dear |
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| 13:04.20 | zecke|study | woglinde: hey |
| 13:04.39 | woglinde | yes |
| 13:04.46 | woglinde | engelland engelland |
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| 13:09.47 | Ifaistos | ~lart stupid makefiles |
| 13:10.08 | woglinde | ifaistos yes |
| 13:11.30 | ade|home | goal number 2 ??? |
| 13:11.34 | ade|home | missed |
| 13:13.51 | RP | zecke|study: LTT is a nice idea and does certain things well. I have issues with certain thingts it does |
| 13:14.13 | RP | zecke|study: I need to remove that detect-stylus dependency... |
| 13:14.31 | Ifaistos | RP: Hi ! |
| 13:14.37 | RP | hi Ifaistos |
| 13:14.52 | zecke|study | RP: how do you replace it? |
| 13:14.53 | woglinde | ade no 1:0 for england |
| 13:15.09 | zecke|study | *lutscher* |
| 13:15.15 | RP | zecke|study: udev script |
| 13:15.38 | zecke|study | ah, this is writing ts.conf? |
| 13:15.53 | RP | zecke|study: Yes, ts.conf currently needs it |
| 13:16.04 | zecke|study | I find this magic automake-native issue... weird |
| 13:16.32 | woglinde | zecke which one? |
| 13:16.46 | zecke|study | woglinde: autoconf-native needing automake-native |
| 13:16.55 | zecke|study | woglinde: it just pops up in the chain |
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| 13:16.59 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:17.03 | woglinde | hi gremlin |
| 13:17.08 | zecke|study | maybe we build RDEPENDS too early, or such |
| 13:17.16 | zecke|study | woglinde: anyway debian really sucks |
| 13:17.21 | woglinde | zecke pff |
| 13:17.22 | gremlin[it] | hi woglinde and all others ;) |
| 13:17.29 | RP | zecke|study: We follow the RDEPENDS and bitbake gets confused |
| 13:17.54 | zecke|study | bitbake is a dirturbed basatrd |
| 13:18.15 | zecke|study | I think this is the reason I like it |
| 13:18.29 | woglinde | the referee is cool |
| 13:18.41 | RP | zecke|study: basically we try and build the RDEPENDS of autoconf-native which includes automake-native. It then tries to build automake-native but ignores automake-native's DEPENDS as autoconf is already in the build chain |
| 13:18.43 | zecke|study | okay, enough idling, back to the 'script' |
| 13:19.06 | woglinde | zecke whats the problem with debian now? |
| 13:19.07 | zecke|study | RP: IMHO under any circumstance we should build autoconf-native first |
| 13:19.17 | zecke|study | RP: and then look into RDEPENDS |
| 13:19.29 | zecke|study | woglinde: broken upgrades |
| 13:19.45 | RP | zecke|study: RDEPENDS don't work like that though. Think of image targets |
| 13:20.03 | zecke|study | :} |
| 13:20.15 | zecke|study | anyway, autoconf can work without automake |
| 13:20.22 | woglinde | zecke you should use stable |
| 13:20.25 | zecke|study | so we can just kill this RDEPENDS from the native version |
| 13:20.39 | RP | from all versions I think... |
| 13:20.40 | zecke|study | woglinde: I should use Ubuntu |
| 13:20.56 | woglinde | zecke ubuntu cant suspend |
| 13:20.59 | RP | We should also fix bitbake though |
| 13:21.09 | zecke|study | woglinde: this is a P4 blade ;) |
| 13:21.17 | RP | woglinde: It can't? |
| 13:21.25 | zecke|study | woglinde: we have cooling, I don't need suspend |
| 13:21.35 | woglinde | rp zecke showed me some blog entry where some rant about it |
| 13:21.38 | zecke|study | RP: some debian blogger... tried Ubuntu on his thinkpad |
| 13:21.50 | zecke|study | RP: as he wants Ubuntu Dapper on a server |
| 13:22.10 | RP | Mine does run my own custom kernel I guess... |
| 13:22.14 | zecke|study | RP: but as the dapper kernel has issues with usb and irda, and after acpi suspend some kernel task is going 99% |
| 13:22.23 | zecke|study | RP: he says Ubuntu is not ready for servers |
| 13:22.25 | zecke|study | *moron* |
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| 13:22.51 | zecke|study | RP: and he filed a bug that Debian does not have this issue... |
| 13:23.02 | zecke|study | woglinde: I think a broken kernel image violates the social contract? |
| 13:23.09 | woglinde | lol |
| 13:23.19 | woglinde | telnet ascii-wm.net 2006 |
| 13:24.01 | woglinde | zecke you are a moron too please use fefe-linux |
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| 13:24.29 | DataBeaver | Hm, ewi doesn't have the oe.db for monotone 0.25 anymore? |
| 13:24.29 | zecke|study | woglinde: Chocolate bars are not included I guess? |
| 13:24.58 | woglinde | databeaver use vanille |
| 13:25.18 | zecke|study | DataBeaver: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 13:26.08 | zecke|study | woglinde: I wonder why I only have one version of autoconf |
| 13:26.17 | zecke|study | woglinde: and why this version carries cvs in the name |
| 13:27.35 | woglinde | zecke what update goes wrong, maybee I should money from you for consulting |
| 13:27.40 | woglinde | +tak |
| 13:27.40 | woglinde | e |
| 13:27.54 | DataBeaver | zecke|study: Thanks, I wondered a few days ago where that page had disappeared |
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| 13:28.49 | zecke|study | hrw|gone: could you add gnutls mirrors to base.bbclass of oe.dev? |
| 13:30.56 | woglinde | hi goxbox |
| 13:31.05 | woglinde | goxbox whats the htc universal doing? |
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| 14:16.06 | zecke|study | NAbyss: did you find any time to look into the results yet? |
| 14:16.29 | NAbyss | zecke|study: Yeah, I've started, just haven't finished ye |
| 14:16.30 | NAbyss | t |
| 14:16.51 | zecke|study | awesome :) |
| 14:26.35 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:28.20 | woglinde | hi chouimat |
| 14:29.51 | eFfeM | hi all. gcc 4.1.1 success. I just managed to build and boot the nslu2 openslug kernel (arm be) with gcc4.1.1 (and the root fs) |
| 14:30.11 | woglinde | effem gratz |
| 14:30.13 | eFfeM | latest change is being pushed right now |
| 14:30.14 | eFfeM | tnx |
| 14:31.14 | eFfeM | still left the PREFERRED flag in the gcc 4.1.1.bb file on -1 (I used the slugos PREFERRED to override) |
| 14:31.33 | eFfeM | didn't want to decide on changing this on my own ... |
| 14:31.57 | rwhitby | eFfeM: it's a great test case. |
| 14:32.02 | zecke|study | nice |
| 14:32.20 | rwhitby | We will use it for the default configuration for SlugOS 4.x unstable (monotone head) |
| 14:33.26 | eFfeM | if anyone on a different target would be willing to give 4.1.1 a try as well that would be great |
| 14:33.51 | woglinde | hm |
| 14:34.01 | eFfeM | btw I am using glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r7 |
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| 14:37.23 | Crofton | Anyone here have any experience unlocking cell phones? |
| 14:38.16 | zecke|study | Crofton: not much, one AT command you need to know |
| 14:38.25 | Crofton | yeah |
| 14:38.39 | Crofton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.42 | emte | Crofton, i dont belive you need to with SIM cards |
| 14:50.51 | emte | just put the new SIM in it |
| 14:51.00 | CIA-9 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r4dfe02d9... 10/packages/gcc/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:51.00 | CIA-9 | gcc-4.1.1: added patch for configure to compile with the right target flags |
| 14:51.00 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.05 | CIA-9 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r9d41fcc4... 10/conf/distro/slugos.conf: slugos.conf: set preferred gcc version to 4.1.1 |
| 14:51.10 | emte | atleast i neve have |
| 14:51.15 | emte | never* |
| 14:51.41 | [cc]smart | is somebody known to have looked at using http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ ? |
| 14:52.06 | emte | but you wont be able to switch carriers, but that doesnt matter anyway |
| 14:52.08 | woglinde | cc build a little routerimage with it |
| 14:52.13 | woglinde | some years ago |
| 14:52.32 | woglinde | england winds |
| 14:52.46 | Crofton | England wins? |
| 14:52.46 | emte | because its rare for them to support the same phone mauf as other carriers |
| 14:52.53 | woglinde | ups wins |
| 14:52.54 | woglinde | yes |
| 14:52.58 | Crofton | yay ! |
| 14:53.03 | woglinde | 1:0 |
| 14:53.35 | woglinde | so have to cut carpet further |
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| 15:02.21 | ade|home | eFfeM: i will push the uclibc patches for 4.1.1 on monday if i can |
| 15:08.12 | CIA-9 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r222dc41b... 10/packages/asterisk/asterisk_1.2.9.1.bb: asterisk 1.2.9.1: added dependency for curl |
| 15:10.06 | pb_ | woglinde: crumbs, ups have a team this year? |
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| 15:58.26 | woglinde | re |
| 15:58.40 | woglinde | carpet ready yeah |
| 16:02.10 | zecke|study | woglinde: can it fly? |
| 16:02.34 | woglinde | will try to teacht it next week |
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| 16:22.12 | zecke|study | http://www.openbsd.org/images/tshirt-5b.jpg <- lol |
| 16:23.18 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:23.49 | woglinde | re pb |
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| 16:50.03 | pb_ | re woglinde |
| 16:51.47 | woglinde | trinidad rockz |
| 16:54.07 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 16:54.35 | ade|home | ibot: botmail ? |
| 16:54.52 | ade|home | ibot: wake up |
| 16:54.55 | ibot | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 16:55.15 | ade|home | ibot: botmail |
| 16:55.55 | zecke|study | RP: could you ask Chris if he really needs gconftool-2 installed on the host for web? |
| 16:56.24 | zecke|study | RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=59&logfile=20060610145923.log&page=257 |
| 17:18.45 | zecke|study | CoreDump|home: hey |
| 17:19.01 | zecke|study | CoreDump|home: mickeyl claimed slow boots are due legacy pty support as well |
| 17:19.19 | zecke|study | CoreDump|home: if you look at boot speed, you could disable legacy pty support in the kernel config |
| 17:19.23 | zecke|study | CoreDump|home: and look for differences |
| 17:19.35 | CoreDump|home | yep, udev is creating like 60 tty devicefiles |
| 17:20.26 | zecke|study | CoreDump|home: how much time does it take? |
| 17:21.13 | CoreDump|home | can't remember atm |
| 17:23.57 | woglinde | uh |
| 17:24.04 | woglinde | legacy suckz |
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| 17:53.13 | zecke|study | woglinde: rpmstrap is nice |
| 17:53.19 | zecke|study | woglinde: at least it is not using chroot :} |
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| 17:56.41 | zecke|study | woglinde: do you know whom to ask to fix debootstrap? |
| 17:57.17 | woglinde | zecke use the magic off reportbug |
| 17:57.26 | woglinde | its a pyhton programm |
| 17:57.49 | zecke|study | woglinde: lol: Window Compute Cluster Server 2003 went to production this week |
| 17:57.57 | zecke|study | woglinde: just three years behind schedule? |
| 17:58.11 | woglinde | hihi |
| 17:58.23 | zecke|study | any normal business would... |
| 17:58.50 | zecke|study | hmm /me suddently is reminded of a Berlin company |
| 17:59.37 | zecke|study | woglinde: well, I can not mail my bug report |
| 17:59.48 | woglinde | lol |
| 17:59.49 | woglinde | http://thedailywtf.com/ |
| 18:00.09 | zecke|study | woglinde: I should probably rant as long as debootstrap is not fixed |
| 18:00.12 | zecke|study | and blog everyday |
| 18:00.19 | woglinde | do this |
| 18:00.22 | zecke|study | debootstrap bug: uptime |
| 18:00.39 | woglinde | .o(where are my schokoriegels) |
| 18:02.12 | zecke|study | lol |
| 18:02.21 | zecke|study | lol |
| 18:02.36 | zecke|study | I hope ClickYes was a dialer or spyware |
| 18:02.53 | CIA-9 | 03justinp 07org.oe.dev * r0bda2d2b... 10/packages/ (35 files in 3 dirs): efl, e17: update to newest versions |
| 18:03.18 | zecke|study | woglinde: I should have taken some screenshots yesterday |
| 18:03.37 | zecke|study | woglinde: nautilus is a piece of shit when it comes to error reporting... |
| 18:03.49 | zecke|study | woglinde: I were not able to remove a Network Place (ssh) |
| 18:04.08 | woglinde | thats the best |
| 18:04.09 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.02 | woglinde | lol |
| 18:08.03 | woglinde | http://www.contextmagic.com/express-clickyes |
| 18:09.19 | CIA-9 | 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * r64266fbb... 10/.mt-attrs: .mt-attrs: remove file which no longer exists |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-9 | 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * ref69f207... 10/packages/meta/e-image.bb: e-image: add gaim and sylpheed |
| 18:09.27 | CIA-9 | 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * re057670f... 10/packages/ (35 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:09.27 | CIA-9 | efl, e17: update to newest versions |
| 18:09.27 | CIA-9 | - Note: this is a successful use of contrib/mtnpatch.py to do cherrypicking |
| 18:11.20 | zecke|study | hehe |
| 18:12.09 | zecke|study | njs: how are you? |
| 18:12.21 | zecke|study | njs: attr has no 'add'? |
| 18:12.34 | zecke|study | JustinP: I have a feature request for mtnpatch.py |
| 18:13.10 | zecke|study | JustinP: could we use mtn attr to set the 'merge base' of the cherry pick? |
| 18:13.52 | JustinP | zecke|study: 'merge base'? |
| 18:14.01 | zecke|study | the rev you cherry picked from |
| 18:18.29 | zecke|study | might be out of scope though |
| 18:19.11 | JustinP | you mean set an attr on the newly checked in rev which says which rev it's from? |
| 18:19.32 | JustinP | hmmm....I don't really know how that works....and I don't know if that's a rev thing, I thought attrs were for files |
| 18:19.46 | JustinP | perhaps adding a custom cert.... |
| 18:19.59 | JustinP | or just adding the rev info to _MTN/tmp |
| 18:20.01 | JustinP | (MT/tmp) |
| 18:20.25 | zecke|study | yes |
| 18:20.38 | JustinP | except that the rev isn't stored in the patch.... |
| 18:21.28 | JustinP | doing that would require mtnpatch to do the diff as well as the patch. Right now it's only for patching, not for diffing |
| 18:22.00 | JustinP | (if mtn included rev info in the diff that would fix this) |
| 18:22.10 | zecke|study | so it is out of scope for now |
| 18:22.16 | JustinP | for now |
| 18:22.21 | zecke|study | and I add mtndiff hacking to my todo list... |
| 18:22.46 | JustinP | but I (or someone else) could make a mtncherrypick which uses mtnpatch |
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| 18:48.38 | JustinP | of course, such a script would need to know both the "from" workspace, the "to" workspace, and the rev to pick |
| 18:49.19 | JustinP | we could even make it check in the changes, but I think that would be going too far |
| 18:49.34 | JustinP | it could add the changelogs for all of the cherrypicked revs to MT/tmp |
| 18:59.27 | zecke|study | one could implement it in c++ and put it into mtn |
| 18:59.31 | zecke|study | :} |
| 19:01.57 | woglinde | re |
| 19:03.06 | zecke|study | wb |
| 19:19.41 | JustinP | well of course one could |
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| 19:19.48 | JustinP | well.... |
| 19:20.09 | JustinP | it wouldn't deal with 2 workspaces then (as mtn only supports one workspace at once) |
| 19:20.28 | JustinP | but you only need to interact with the "to" workspace of course |
| 19:20.56 | woglinde | hi tmbinc |
| 19:21.09 | JustinP | then again, I wrote mtnpatch in python because it's higher level than c++, easier to write |
| 19:21.19 | woglinde | elfenbeinkueste rockz |
| 19:24.15 | woglinde | goal |
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| 21:19.28 | zecke|study | totally exhausted |
| 21:19.31 | zecke|study | going to bed now |
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