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| 03:45.52 | bioeng | Hello all |
| 03:46.00 | bioeng | How is everyone tonight? |
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| 08:29.00 | cyrilRomain | 'morning |
| 08:29.21 | NAbyss | Ello |
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| 08:46.22 | gremlin[it] | hi all ... i'm trying to build a bootstrap-image for ep93xx platform ... but i got this error |
| 08:46.33 | gremlin[it] | | configure: error: some sort of compiler problem, mp_limb_t doesn't seem to work |
| 08:46.45 | gremlin[it] | on gmp-native-4.1.2 |
| 09:01.46 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r21e0b3e6... 10/packages/libsdl/libsdl-qpe-1.2.7/agawa-piro-mickey.patch: libsdl-qpe: gcc 4.1.1 fixlet in agawa-piro-mickey.patch |
| 09:07.18 | cyrilRomain | hi mickeyl |
| 09:07.31 | cyrilRomain | mickeyl: python-everything successfully built with one another gcc4.1.1 bug + fix here : http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082 :) |
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| 09:15.29 | cyrilRomain | gremlin[it]: I created in my local tree a gmp-native_4.1.4.bb based on gmp-native_4.1.2.bb (an exact copy in fact) |
| 09:16.40 | cyrilRomain | gremlin[it]: I'm not sure I got the error you mention, but you might try it |
| 09:17.36 | gremlin[it] | for now i resolved using host distro version of gmp |
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| 09:32.22 | mickeyl | cyrilRomain: thanks |
| 09:35.01 | CIA-9 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbe41d3c8... 10/packages/smpeg/smpeg/compile.patch: g++ 4.1.1 fixlet - thanks cyril romain. closes bug #1082 |
| 09:35.49 | do13 | morning all |
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| 09:45.47 | gremlin[it] | cyrilRomain o go to cook ... see u later ... maybe i'll try also your sources cyrilRomain :) |
| 10:02.46 | mithro | don't you hate it when you loose a connector? |
| 10:03.18 | mithro | i can't find the connector for my tv card :/ |
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| 10:04.22 | zecke | moin |
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| 10:09.04 | mithro | hey zecke |
| 10:09.14 | mithro | any idea where the connect for my tv card went? |
| 10:09.26 | zecke | no |
| 10:09.36 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 10:09.39 | zecke | you had a tv card? |
| 10:10.25 | cyrilRom1in | hi zecke |
| 10:10.38 | mithro | zecke: yeah, back in here Australia, was in my sisters computer ;) |
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| 10:11.00 | pb_ | hi ph5 |
| 10:11.05 | mithro | anyone know a paper management system? |
| 10:11.18 | pH5 | good morning |
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| 10:13.46 | mteira | Morning |
| 10:25.51 | zecke | RP: wow, your work on eda is just kicking ass ;) |
| 10:27.01 | mithro | eda? |
| 10:27.39 | zecke | eds |
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| 10:28.25 | zecke | woglinde: hey |
| 10:28.31 | woglinde | he zecke |
| 10:28.42 | zecke | woglinde: did you flash the new beta of the firmaware ofr the n770 yet |
| 10:29.26 | cyrilRomain | zecke: about gnutls fetching failure, here is my suggested fix http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1079 |
| 10:29.50 | mithro | eds? |
| 10:30.55 | zecke | eds! |
| 10:30.58 | woglinde | zecke nope |
| 10:31.04 | zecke | mithro: the stuff you use each day |
| 10:31.13 | zecke | mithro: Evolution Data Server on D-Bus :) |
| 10:31.42 | mithro | o, not the evil company which screws everyone? |
| 10:32.03 | zecke | haeh? Which company is that? |
| 10:32.12 | mithro | zecke: any information on what RP is doing? |
| 10:32.15 | mithro | zecke: EDS |
| 10:32.27 | zecke | mithro: http://o-hand.com/blog/?p=9 |
| 10:32.34 | zecke | mithro: and not RP but his company |
| 10:32.40 | mithro | http://www.eds.com/ |
| 10:33.09 | zecke | mithro: no, and they did not screw me yet |
| 10:33.31 | mithro | zecke: i bet they have already screwed you in ways you don't know yet |
| 10:34.01 | mithro | it would be nice if evolution could understand network state so it doesn't keep complaining when the network is disconnected |
| 10:34.29 | zecke | mithro: lol, I think they did that |
| 10:34.43 | zecke | mithro: what nokia and others are cooking makes really sense to me |
| 10:36.08 | zecke | okay need to study now |
| 10:36.31 | mithro | that is intresting |
| 10:36.35 | mithro | –with-bug-buddyDon’t enable Bug Buddy integration, removing a dependency on libgnomeui |
| 10:38.04 | zecke|study | --with? |
| 10:38.06 | mithro | he he - did you know that the Queen of Britan doesn't need a passport to travel |
| 10:38.22 | mithro | zecke|study: thats what the page said :0) |
| 10:38.29 | mithro | http://projects.o-hand.com/eds |
| 10:41.15 | zecke|study | mithro: no, I didn't know that |
| 10:41.35 | zecke|study | mithro: and it doesn't get finger printed in the US as well? |
| 10:41.41 | mithro | zecke|study: i assume they mean only to the Commonwealth |
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| 10:43.51 | mithro | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:_AjzMyh9RuUJ:www.royal.gov.uk/output/page351.asp+queen+passport&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1 |
| 10:43.54 | mithro | maybe not |
| 10:44.44 | mithro | The Queen does not need a passport when she travels overseas on visits such as her tour of the United States in 1991 |
| 10:46.07 | NAbyss | Trippy |
| 10:46.32 | mithro | i wonder what life its like being the Queen of Britain |
| 10:47.48 | zecke|study | cya later |
| 10:49.33 | sirfred | That maemo platform really looks nice. Is it opensource? |
| 10:52.17 | zecke|study | yes, it is Free Software |
| 10:52.33 | zecke|study | sirfred: only webbrowser is proprietary and from Opera |
| 10:52.42 | sirfred | zecke|study: Is there any hope to see it working on a zaurus? |
| 10:52.51 | sirfred | Any wip , perhaps? |
| 10:53.03 | zecke|study | sirfred: hehe, wait a second |
| 10:54.37 | zecke|study | sirfred: well, at one point it was a matter of bitbake maemo-image |
| 10:54.45 | zecke|study | but then nobody stepped up to make it work |
| 10:54.52 | zecke|study | sirfred: it is all there, use the source! |
| 10:56.13 | sirfred | zecke|study: Well, I'm not experienced in bitbake and openembedded. Perhaps it's a task for real men. |
| 10:56.20 | mickey|brkfast | sirfred: hey! |
| 10:56.25 | sirfred | mickeyl: Hello! |
| 10:56.29 | mickeyl | sirfred: long time no see. what were you up to? :D |
| 10:56.36 | sirfred | mickeyl: Well, too busy at work. |
| 10:57.15 | mickeyl | i can understand that... |
| 10:57.21 | sirfred | mickeyl: But yesterday, I loaded the battery of my c760 and ... |
| 10:57.30 | sirfred | mickeyl: Downloaded a new openzaurus version... |
| 10:57.30 | zecke|study | sirfred: that is the most crappy excuse I have ever heard |
| 10:57.35 | sirfred | zecke|study: :) |
| 10:57.45 | zecke|study | sirfred: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/2005/May |
| 10:57.46 | mickeyl | sirfred: excellent. we've been a long way since you've last looked. it should rock more or less :) |
| 10:57.55 | zecke|study | When I was 12 I was hardly a man... and hacked |
| 11:00.06 | sirfred | mickeyl: Well, I see that opie is more or less the same. |
| 11:00.39 | sirfred | mickeyl: I'm thinking about putting again some time on working on this. |
| 11:00.53 | sirfred | mickeyl: But I'm not sure about the direction this is taking. What about the future? |
| 11:01.12 | sirfred | Fixing issues in opie-1.2? Or going to qt-embedded on X ? |
| 11:01.29 | mickeyl | tough question |
| 11:01.33 | sirfred | And what about this maemo thing? |
| 11:01.36 | zecke|study | sirfred: we have asked Trolltech about Qtopia4 at least three times |
| 11:01.46 | zecke|study | sirfred: and their idea of community involvement |
| 11:01.54 | mickeyl | i think opie 1.2 will have a longer live than we would want :D |
| 11:02.04 | zecke|study | sirfred: it looks like they are not interested in a community around Qtopia4 |
| 11:02.14 | zecke|study | sirfred: this means. Doing Qt4 but not Qtopia |
| 11:02.25 | zecke|study | sirfred: or joining maemo and GPE and using Gtk+ |
| 11:02.25 | sirfred | Oh |
| 11:02.37 | zecke|study | sirfred: or creating a toolkit based on E17 |
| 11:02.44 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 11:02.45 | sirfred | Yesterday I also tested the GPE image... |
| 11:02.47 | mickeyl | e17! |
| 11:02.54 | sirfred | Well, I don't know what disgust me more, Opie or GPE. ;- |
| 11:02.55 | sirfred | ;-) |
| 11:03.04 | sirfred | mickeyl: Bat what about apps on e17 environment? |
| 11:03.20 | sirfred | I also tested it, and it's spectacular, but a little slow. |
| 11:03.22 | mickeyl | sirfred: well, it's X. |
| 11:03.30 | mickeyl | we could use gpe apps |
| 11:03.41 | zecke|study | mickeyl: point him to the e17 movie on the a780 |
| 11:03.59 | mickeyl | sirfred: recently i'm more interested in phones |
| 11:04.01 | mickeyl | http://vanille.de/temp/a780-eem.mpg |
| 11:04.02 | sirfred | mickeyl: I've only seen some screenshots of maemo, and It seemed the way to go. |
| 11:04.02 | mickeyl | :D |
| 11:04.04 | zecke|study | cya later |
| 11:04.18 | sirfred | zecke|study: seeyou |
| 11:04.28 | zecke|study | sirfred: and Nokia is interested in a community, they control maemo though |
| 11:04.30 | sirfred | mickeyl: I liked the screen layout. |
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| 11:04.35 | mickeyl | maemo is cool, but we don't want to use it on 240x320 |
| 11:04.39 | mickeyl | imo |
| 11:04.48 | sirfred | mickeyl: Good point. |
| 11:04.52 | mickeyl | models like collie, poodle, c700 are too weak for maemo |
| 11:04.53 | zecke|study | mickeyl: where you FUDDED by lorn? |
| 11:04.57 | mickeyl | phones also |
| 11:04.57 | sirfred | mickeyl: I'm also thinking in c700 |
| 11:05.09 | mickeyl | zecke|study: sure :D |
| 11:05.24 | sirfred | mickeyl: The problem with X nude apps, is lack of consistency, imo |
| 11:05.30 | zecke|study | mickeyl: sure, the default maemo screen resolution is for n770 |
| 11:05.33 | sirfred | mickeyl: That was the good think with opie. |
| 11:05.40 | mickeyl | sirfred: major point right. opie ruled in the integration point |
| 11:05.44 | zecke|study | mickeyl: but I'm confident you can make it work on 1x1 res as well |
| 11:05.58 | sirfred | I think that's a critical necesity. |
| 11:06.09 | sirfred | ¿necesity? That's not english, is it? |
| 11:06.18 | zecke|study | sirfred: yeah but people want to have non integrated apps |
| 11:06.26 | zecke|study | sirfred: as they think they have the real deal :} |
| 11:06.34 | mickeyl | the core problem is inherently won't go away. people want integration + every other of the millions of X apps |
| 11:06.46 | zecke|study | it looks crappy => it must be the real Linux desktop |
| 11:06.53 | sirfred | :)) |
| 11:07.15 | sirfred | Well, they can have them, even on opie. I hardly remember there was a x server on qte. |
| 11:07.22 | sirfred | But I never dare to test it. |
| 11:07.59 | mickeyl | well, it works. but it's not fun. Qte + Xlib + a toolkit on top is a bit heavy for 64mb ram (at best) |
| 11:08.42 | sirfred | Well, perhaps the priority should be to provide a complete set of integrated apps, and provide then the way to run unintegrated apps. |
| 11:08.48 | mickeyl | right. |
| 11:09.05 | sirfred | But the core should be consistent. |
| 11:09.13 | mickeyl | but I'm afraid neither Opie nor GPE have the proper infrastructure and design to do that now |
| 11:09.31 | mickeyl | which means... the need for something new. |
| 11:09.43 | sirfred | mickeyl: Show us the path, master. |
| 11:09.48 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:10.04 | sirfred | Let's follow mickeyl light. |
| 11:10.25 | sirfred | Am I rich and mighty in your vision? |
| 11:10.28 | mickeyl | of course! |
| 11:10.29 | mickeyl | we all are |
| 11:10.33 | mickeyl | and healthy |
| 11:10.37 | sirfred | I like your vision. |
| 11:10.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:10.42 | sirfred | :) |
| 11:11.02 | mickeyl | actually, i'm going to finish my phd thesis and then I'll looking around in what this "new thing" could look like. |
| 11:11.25 | sirfred | mickeyl: Perhaps I could put some work in the w100 qte driver. |
| 11:11.52 | sirfred | mickeyl: Do you remember what pending bug did it have? |
| 11:11.53 | mickeyl | sirfred: that would rock. i don't think many bits are missing, but it still doesn't work right |
| 11:12.06 | mickeyl | for the sake of it we couldn't get suspend/resume reliably working |
| 11:12.23 | mickeyl | and i'm still thinking these bits belong into w100fb |
| 11:12.25 | sirfred | mickeyl: Actually, I was working with the aticore library, after my retirement. |
| 11:12.26 | mickeyl | not into userland |
| 11:12.35 | mickeyl | oh cool. any progress with that? |
| 11:12.36 | sirfred | mickeyl: Yes, we talked about this time ago. |
| 11:12.47 | pb_ | mickeyl: good morning |
| 11:13.16 | mickeyl | hail pb_ |
| 11:13.31 | sirfred | mickeyl: Well, I was out for some months. But it seems that Mardy had a working X driver. |
| 11:13.39 | zecke|study | pb_: your X is working again? |
| 11:13.44 | pb_ | gosh, it's quite warm here. I guess today must be summer. |
| 11:13.49 | sirfred | mickeyl: Based in the aticore work. |
| 11:13.58 | mickeyl | pb__: no kidding. I'll be gone for a round of frisbee in a minute |
| 11:13.58 | pb_ | zecke|study: yeah. luckily, because my other PC now doesn't switch on at all. |
| 11:14.22 | zecke|study | pb_: probably english hardware is not designed for such a climate? |
| 11:14.26 | mickeyl | sirfred: right. he got kdrive acceleration working. dunno whether someone tried to add these bits into OE |
| 11:14.31 | pb_ | mickeyl: heh, very good. me too. |
| 11:14.32 | zecke|study | pb_: how many degree celcius you have? 12? |
| 11:14.44 | pb_ | zecke|study: yeah, that must be it |
| 11:14.54 | sirfred | mickeyl: I think that with the knowledge we gained, perhaps I could try to detach the libqte driver from aticore. |
| 11:15.10 | mickeyl | sirfred: oh that'd help to make it more reliable. |
| 11:15.25 | pb_ | zecke|study: not sure, my thermometer can't read above 5C. |
| 11:15.30 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:15.55 | pb_ | zecke|study: but, according to wunderground.com, we have 26C. |
| 11:16.03 | pb_ | I think 32C is forecast for tuesday |
| 11:16.25 | sirfred | mickeyl: The last news in my work is that I put my hands on a libaticore from a wince device. Including MPEG acceleration (IDCT and Motion compensation) |
| 11:16.38 | mickeyl | sirfred: wow. |
| 11:16.45 | sirfred | mickeyl: I was really excited about that for a pair of weeks. |
| 11:17.00 | mickeyl | did you see it in source? |
| 11:17.09 | sirfred | mickeyl: In source? |
| 11:17.14 | mickeyl | source code or binary? |
| 11:17.15 | sirfred | mickeyl: No, only binary form. |
| 11:17.18 | mickeyl | k |
| 11:17.26 | mickeyl | better than nothing :) |
| 11:17.43 | mickeyl | i guess the register bit banging doesn't make source and binary readability much different |
| 11:17.44 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:17.44 | sirfred | mickeyl: I started disassembling, but at that job I don't worth the tenth part of RP |
| 11:18.03 | pb_ | mickeyl: have the england supporters left Frankfurt now? I hope that at least some part of the city remains intact. |
| 11:18.04 | sirfred | mickeyl: I got very tired and stopped working into that. |
| 11:18.17 | mickeyl | pb_: i will see in a couple of minutes when I go down to the Main river. |
| 11:18.31 | pb_ | mickeyl: fingers crossed :-} |
| 11:18.45 | mickeyl | pb__: i have the pleasure to live at the south end of Frankfurt (in Sachsenhausen), so I'm pretty safe |
| 11:19.09 | sirfred | mickeyl: The main problem is that IDCT and MC are not as disassembling a bitblt routine. |
| 11:19.31 | sirfred | mickeyl: There is a lot of computations, even for the host side included. |
| 11:20.04 | mickeyl | sirfred: interesting. sounds tough to reverse engineer. recently i started to dive into kernel driver work as well, so i can roughly imagine :/ |
| 11:20.25 | mickeyl | it sucks... even _with_ data sheets i feel I'm at a loss |
| 11:20.29 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:20.43 | sirfred | mickeyl: So, I'm going to start trying to fix the suspend/resume issues. And then, try to decouple the qte driver from libaticore. |
| 11:20.52 | mickeyl | sirfred: ok, that'd be much appreciated! |
| 11:21.06 | sirfred | mickeyl: Wait for the results, better. ;-) |
| 11:21.10 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:21.13 | mickeyl | right |
| 11:21.30 | mickeyl | ok, wifey is ready. we're going to play some frisbee |
| 11:21.31 | mickeyl | later all |
| 11:21.36 | sirfred | mickeyl: later. |
| 11:33.22 | ade|home | ~weather egcs |
| 11:33.39 | ade|home | ~weather egsc |
| 11:34.42 | zecke|study | wow 19 degree |
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| 11:43.48 | ade|home | thats the dew point not temp |
| 11:43.55 | ade|home | temp is 26 |
| 11:44.19 | zecke|study | :} |
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| 11:47.28 | *** topic/#oe by Crofton -> weather bbd |
| 11:47.43 | Crofton | oops |
| 11:47.54 | Crofton | ~weather bbg |
| 11:48.08 | Crofton | ~weather rrnk |
| 11:48.13 | Crofton | ~weather rnk |
| 11:48.13 | zecke|study | ~lart Crofton |
| 11:48.21 | Crofton | sorry :) |
| 11:48.30 | Crofton | to early to operate computer I guess |
| 11:48.54 | zecke|study | Crofton: change the topic please :) |
| 11:49.20 | Crofton | I forget what it was ... |
| 11:49.37 | zecke|study | 1 |
| 11:49.47 | zecke|study | damn |
| 11:50.06 | *** topic/#oe by zecke|study -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date | BitBake 1.4.2 has been |
| 11:50.09 | *** topic/#oe by zecke|study -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date | BitBake 1.4.2 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still |
| 11:50.13 | zecke|study | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.25 | zecke|study | no not nice :} |
| 11:50.39 | zecke|study | Crofton: you could reformat it now :) |
| 11:50.44 | Crofton | heh |
| 11:50.57 | Crofton | ok |
| 11:51.05 | *** topic/#oe by Crofton -> foo |
| 11:51.11 | zecke|study | lol |
| 11:52.32 | eFfeM-away | ~weather eheh |
| 11:52.39 | *** topic/#oe by Crofton -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date | BitBake 1.4.2 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org |
| 11:53.00 | Crofton | someone nedes to limit who can edit the topic ..... |
| 11:53.43 | likewise | eFfeM-away: are you in or near Eindhoven? |
| 11:54.39 | eFfeM-away | yes, you are in eindhoven isn't it |
| 11:54.56 | eFfeM | actually I am in Reusel |
| 11:55.08 | Crofton | ~weather 72318 |
| 11:55.12 | likewise | eFfeM: yes. |
| 11:56.05 | Crofton | ~weather kfcx |
| 11:56.16 | Crofton | aarg |
| 11:56.25 | eFfeM | likewise: what hw are you working with |
| 11:57.45 | Crofton | ~weather kroa |
| 11:58.52 | eFfeM | Crofton: finally .... |
| 11:58.56 | Crofton | heh |
| 11:59.20 | Crofton | still mad I can't get the local weather office :) |
| 12:00.39 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 12:51.26 | likewise | eFfeM: Cirrus ARM9 EP9312 and XScale IXP425 |
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| 13:25.13 | Crofton | Are they really serving American Budweiser at the World Cup games? |
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| 13:35.31 | bioeng | Hi everyone |
| 13:36.24 | bioeng | How is everyone this morning? |
| 13:37.04 | zecke|study | it is sunny, even in the UK, so everyone is fine |
| 13:39.40 | bioeng | Well, I'm hoping to get this project with my family wrapped up so I can start training on embedded |
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| 15:33.17 | RP | 'morning' all |
| 15:33.24 | sirfred | RP: Morning. |
| 15:33.38 | RP | hi sirfred. I was just reading in scrollback :) |
| 15:33.52 | sirfred | RP: Hi again! |
| 15:34.18 | RP | IDCT would be nice. I suspect it would need a lot of work though :-/ |
| 15:34.51 | sirfred | RP: Yes. I think I'm going to try first more short-term goals. |
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| 15:35.35 | RP | sirfred: I think that'd be a more senible use of time... |
| 15:36.51 | sirfred | RP: senible? What that means? |
| 15:38.34 | RP | sorry, sensible :) |
| 15:38.46 | [cc]smart | senile |
| 15:39.17 | sirfred | RP: ok |
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| 16:14.53 | sirfred | Wow, I've just feeled the improvements in bitbake, parsing is now ultra-fast. Good work! |
| 16:15.05 | sirfred | s/feeled/felt/ |
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| 16:40.20 | odo | I have a nice new issue concerning networking here with a C1000 (OZ 3.5.4.1): Inside is an D-Link Air 660. It worked with my home configuration (WEP-router) for some time, then I connected it to the WLAN in a hotel with WEP, worked too after some fiddeling, then I connected it to the WLAN of a friend, it worked after some playing around with the addresses, too. Then I tried to connect it back at home - as I said, this worked before - no chance any |
| 16:46.30 | zecke | wrong channel here |
| 16:46.48 | zecke | do you associate with the AP? |
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| 16:58.50 | odo_ | perhaps I shoud mention that several restarts didn't have helped. |
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| 18:23.36 | Crofton | you lot watching football? |
| 18:24.03 | zecke | sure... and interviews with eva padberg |
| 18:24.18 | zecke | gosh, I hate to be a man (too easily influencable) |
| 18:25.24 | Crofton | who is eva padberg? |
| 18:25.39 | Crofton | hmm |
| 18:27.11 | zecke | she had a nice top... |
| 18:27.20 | zecke | ~fishslap men |
| 18:27.24 | ibot | ACTION slaps men up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:27.48 | zecke | mickey|frisbee: I think I would be such a man giving better grades to half naked woman :( |
| 18:28.43 | mickey|frisbee | heh |
| 18:28.49 | mickey|frisbee | sounds familiar to me |
| 18:28.55 | mickey|frisbee | that's why i refrained from being teacher |
| 18:28.59 | mickey|frisbee | bbl, going out a bit |
| 18:29.01 | Crofton | heh |
| 18:29.16 | Crofton | my friend taught an indoor plants class |
| 18:29.22 | Crofton | he avoided temptation |
| 18:29.30 | zecke | mickey|bbl: well you could go to a chatolic ... |
| 18:29.36 | zecke | mickey|bbl: either all woman or all man |
| 18:29.40 | zecke | women, men |
| 18:29.48 | zecke | equal possibilities for each ;) |
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| 19:55.49 | zecke | RP: should I stop the autobuild for poky for now? |
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| 20:27.20 | zecke | woglinde: hey |
| 20:27.22 | zecke | woglinde: and? |
| 20:27.32 | woglinde | zecke nothing new |
| 20:27.50 | woglinde | but I now understand a little bit auf usb gadet working |
| 20:29.35 | woglinde | but I dont understand that one thing, but its to much to discuss in irc |
| 20:30.46 | zecke | woglinde: and is the little guy overdue? |
| 20:30.57 | zecke | 'guy' sexless baby |
| 20:34.03 | woglinde | he likes football |
| 20:34.08 | woglinde | it seems |
| 20:35.01 | zecke | name him Figo |
| 20:35.13 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:35.31 | zecke | do you know the sex yet? |
| 20:35.35 | zecke | did I forget it once again? |
| 20:36.26 | woglinde | yes we know it since months |
| 20:36.41 | woglinde | it will be a little zecke |
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| 20:38.03 | woglinde | hi goxbox |
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| 21:04.53 | hrw | hi |
| 21:04.59 | hrw | ~seen hrw|gone |
| 21:05.28 | ibot | hrw|gone <n=hrw@host-ip170-158.crowley.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 23h 12m 12s ago, saying: 'now gone for real'. |
| 21:05.40 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 21:06.17 | hrw | looks like my machine at work (which I use to irc) shutted down |
| 21:26.48 | sirfred | Good night. |
| 21:37.31 | hrw | quiet here.. |
| 21:38.39 | zecke | yes |
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| 21:43.03 | hrw | zecke: something interesting happened in OE land during weekend? |
| 21:43.12 | zecke | no |
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| 22:01.10 | mickey|bbl | everything nice and calm |
| 22:02.38 | zecke | mickeyl: hey |
| 22:02.46 | zecke | hrw: people explored the power of ~weather |
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| 22:03.52 | hrw | hi mickeyl |
| 22:03.57 | hrw | zecke: ah.. saw it |
| 22:04.08 | hrw | ~weather eppo |
| 22:04.09 | zecke | I wonder why nokia insists not to use 1.0 |
| 22:07.50 | hrw | ~seen TheMasterMind1 |
| 22:08.03 | ibot | themastermind1 is currently on #oe (2d 6h 41m 30s) #openzaurus (2d 6h 41m 30s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2d 6h 5m 35s, last said: '~change 52 eur to usd'. |
| 22:08.34 | Ifaistos | evening all |
| 22:08.42 | zecke | checking whether it is possible to resort to fread on /etc/mnttab... no |
| 22:08.42 | zecke | configure: error: could not determine how to read list of mounted filesystems |
| 22:08.42 | zecke | make[2]: *** |
| 22:08.47 | zecke | scratchbox failed once more |
| 22:08.54 | hrw | btw - I decided to not get sl-a300 |
| 22:08.57 | Ifaistos | too much footbal during the weekend :/ |
| 22:09.23 | hrw | talked with sash (which played with it few years ago) and got info that this is more crappy then collie... |
| 22:09.32 | mickeyl | hrw: wise decision |
| 22:09.39 | mickeyl | it would be just for a collectors heart |
| 22:09.40 | mickeyl | nothing else |
| 22:10.11 | hrw | mickeyl: and 'how to add new machine into OE' or 'how to port 2.6 to another Z' but both can be done in other way |
| 22:10.24 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:10.42 | Ifaistos | Is anyone using a 3g card ? |
| 22:10.54 | hrw | and that sl-a300 is naked - no accessories and dead battery so I will wait for better one |
| 22:11.07 | zecke | oh dead battery? :} |
| 22:11.10 | zecke | collectors item them |
| 22:11.18 | hrw | mickeyl: and sl-a300 is rather collection toy for me |
| 22:11.42 | hrw | zecke: few minutes of work - user use it with external battery wired |
| 22:11.57 | hrw | and battery is internal, non-exchangable |
| 22:15.07 | zecke | hmm scratchbox remains unbuildable... |
| 22:15.07 | zecke | bad |
| 22:15.33 | hrw | I saw scratchbox once |
| 22:15.50 | zecke | it only needs apache2 installed |
| 22:16.02 | Ifaistos | Any idea in which section a utility like that should be declared -> http://www.pharscape.org/content/view/46/70/ |
| 22:16.05 | hrw | and it was used by someone who nearly does not know how to use it |
| 22:16.06 | zecke | but it can build own host compiler :} |
| 22:16.40 | hrw | Ifaistos: our SECTION list suxx badly |
| 22:16.49 | hrw | net/network/networking |
| 22:18.19 | Ifaistos | hrw: Thanks. |
| 22:18.28 | mickeyl | i think almost everything is using netowrk now |
| 22:18.32 | mickeyl | network, even |
| 22:18.39 | mickeyl | the stuff that doesn't should be sed'ed |
| 22:18.40 | hrw | Ifaistos: we probably need 'comm' section |
| 22:19.53 | mickeyl | how shuld we handle an i2c device that is mostly powered off in the i2c driver driver? power-on, run probe, power-off to make init module working or skip init section and let it probe on-demand, i.e. after something else powered on the device? |
| 22:20.52 | zecke | mickeyl: why is it powered off? |
| 22:21.00 | zecke | mickeyl: could it be a user decision? |
| 22:21.15 | mickeyl | zecke: it's a camera. we want to power if off until someone opens a v4l device to safe battery |
| 22:21.51 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: poweroff means re-init anyway |
| 22:22.17 | mickeyl | true. so it wouldn't hurt to power it on, let i2c probe succed, and then power off until further notice |
| 22:22.25 | zecke | mickeyl: well, I think it is the drivers right to do power management |
| 22:23.48 | mickeyl | in that case i'm pretty confused as it involves an i2c driver and a video driver |
| 22:23.56 | mickeyl | i would've expected to see power on/off in the i2c driver |
| 22:24.02 | mickeyl | but instead it appears in the pxa-camera.c |
| 22:24.09 | zecke | :} |
| 22:24.11 | mickeyl | which is conceptually "on top" |
| 22:24.14 | mickeyl | off the i2c layer |
| 22:24.22 | mickeyl | too bad we don't have reference examples in 2.6 yet |
| 22:24.26 | hrw | mickeyl: cant you chain them? |
| 22:24.32 | zecke | mickeyl: we don't |
| 22:24.42 | hrw | i2c master -> i2c camera -> v4l camera |
| 22:24.49 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: If power saving is the requirment you need to take close look at the power on/off ratio. Sometimes it costs less to leave the device on in some short of idle mode that to power it on/of |
| 22:25.20 | mickeyl | Ifaistos: good point |
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| 22:25.30 | mickeyl | i'm so much out of my depth here :) |
| 22:25.34 | mickeyl | conquering new grounds |
| 22:25.55 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: It's lime me with OE :) |
| 22:26.26 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:26.48 | zecke | mickeyl: ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/people/xscale/mainstone/02-25-2005/ |
| 22:26.52 | zecke | kernel -> kernel patch |
| 22:26.56 | mickeyl | right. i've seen this, thanks |
| 22:27.00 | zecke | got the camera driver included |
| 22:27.04 | mickeyl | there is a pretty interesting 2650 driver |
| 22:27.06 | zecke | at least another source of example |
| 22:27.12 | zecke | ah okay |
| 22:27.22 | mickeyl | yeah. unfortunately it didn't see my camera |
| 22:27.28 | mickeyl | it bailed out with |
| 22:27.35 | mickeyl | "exceed retries" |
| 22:27.47 | mickeyl | on that point i didn't know if it's because the camera is off |
| 22:27.50 | zecke | maybe the assigned a different device id? |
| 22:27.51 | mickeyl | or because something else wrong |
| 22:27.55 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: And get a *good* i2c probe... You will need it |
| 22:28.11 | mickeyl | Ifaistos: how can i tell a good one from a bad one? |
| 22:28.15 | zecke | address... well off to bad |
| 22:28.24 | mickeyl | zecke: g'night. |
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| 22:28.32 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: Usually the price :)) |
| 22:28.38 | mickeyl | zecke: you're i2c expert? we can talk later then :) |
| 22:28.44 | zecke | no, not at all |
| 22:29.08 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.14 | hrw | n8 zecke |
| 22:29.17 | mickeyl | Ifaistos: right. thing is, i don't built a new device, I'm just porting some phones over to 2.6 |
| 22:29.27 | mickeyl | so i'm pretty much stuck with the hardware |
| 22:30.16 | hrw | mickeyl: hostap team does not want to support usb prism |
| 22:30.35 | mickeyl | hrw: i know. it's kind of a catastrophe... there was a guy who wanted to add usb prism support to orinoco ... |
| 22:30.41 | mickeyl | just after commiting the initial bits... |
| 22:30.46 | mickeyl | he died :/ |
| 22:30.53 | mickeyl | no one picked up his work |
| 22:30.56 | zecke | died? |
| 22:31.00 | zecke | :} |
| 22:31.05 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:31.07 | hrw | orinoco also does not do WPA |
| 22:31.08 | mickeyl | car accidant or something |
| 22:31.20 | hrw | my AP at home is WPA-PSK now... |
| 22:31.30 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: The problem with i2c is that it belongs to Philips, and unless you use a Philips part (or pay the royalties) you can not use *exactly* the same i2c |
| 22:31.49 | mickeyl | Ifaistos: mmh... nasty little things. |
| 22:32.24 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: So most companies have some kind of "variation" to avoid pattend problems |
| 22:32.48 | mickeyl | i see. while that's understandable it sucks in getting a standard interface adopted |
| 22:33.05 | hrw | mickeyl: atleast usb->ethernet is cheap - ~5-8EUR.. |
| 22:33.22 | mickeyl | ya |
| 22:33.48 | hrw | ralink based usb wifi sticks support WPA - missed one on auction ;( ~20EUR |
| 22:34.43 | mickeyl | i wish we had a mainstone patch from intel against a recent kernel |
| 22:34.52 | mickeyl | 2.6.9 is not long ago, but a lot of interfaces have changed |
| 22:34.53 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 22:35.22 | hrw | btw - someone heard about 'sabinal' arm machine? |
| 22:35.28 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:35.51 | hrw | what is it exactly? |
| 22:35.51 | mickeyl | iirc that was a prototype device w/ pxa210 |
| 22:36.01 | mickeyl | sharp prototype board for developing cotulla |
| 22:36.01 | hrw | sl-a300 is based on it |
| 22:36.07 | mickeyl | oh right... |
| 22:36.07 | woglinde | nite |
| 22:36.11 | mickeyl | they made a product out of it |
| 22:36.12 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 22:36.23 | hrw | sl-a300 is cotulla/discovery |
| 22:36.26 | hrw | n8 woglinde |
| 22:36.46 | Ifaistos | nite woglinde |
| 22:37.16 | hrw | use discovery-mv defconfig (2.4.13-crapix) and in kernel config many things are COTULLA but also SABINAL so I was curious |
| 22:37.55 | mickeyl | ah wait |
| 22:38.10 | mickeyl | could be as well intel nicknames |
| 22:38.15 | mickeyl | like BULVERDE |
| 22:38.58 | mickeyl | so discovery being the board |
| 22:39.02 | mickeyl | sabinal being the CPU |
| 22:39.10 | hrw | contact info in arm machine list is =big5= (fscked chinese) |
| 22:39.18 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:40.04 | mickeyl | ah here we are: |
| 22:40.08 | Ifaistos | ~lart All these arm guys |
| 22:40.10 | mickeyl | Are at present declared processors with the application of technology XScale of two it is specific: PXA250 (Cotulla) and PXA210 (Sabinal). |
| 22:40.14 | hrw | anyway 2.6.16 does not have SABINAL in list |
| 22:40.30 | hrw | oh.. |
| 22:40.37 | mickeyl | so it's intel names |
| 22:41.08 | hrw | to know does it has pxa210 or pxa250 |
| 22:41.15 | hrw | or even IOP310 :D |
| 22:41.19 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:41.20 | mickeyl | z80a |
| 22:41.27 | hrw | z80h was nicer |
| 22:41.43 | mickeyl | i was 68K asm fan |
| 22:41.51 | mickeyl | like a high level language compared to some other asms |
| 22:42.02 | mickeyl | did complete GUI libraries in asm |
| 22:42.02 | hrw | I liked 65xx 8bit |
| 22:42.07 | mickeyl | yeah, that was nice as well |
| 22:42.09 | Ifaistos | 68K->powerpc |
| 22:42.19 | hrw | had z80 on studies... suxx but easy |
| 22:42.44 | Ifaistos | once i could remember most of the z80 opcodes by heart |
| 22:43.04 | Ifaistos | this was some time before written history :) |
| 22:43.05 | mickeyl | hrw: did you see the eem on a780 video yet? |
| 22:43.40 | hrw | http://ascii24.com/news/products/firstimp/2002/07/10/637088-000.html has nice sl-a300 photos |
| 22:43.42 | mickeyl | Ifaistos: heh. good times they were |
| 22:43.53 | hrw | mickeyl: one of those which was available with party photo? |
| 22:44.06 | mickeyl | hrw: no no |
| 22:44.09 | mickeyl | hrw: much better |
| 22:44.14 | mickeyl | http://vanille.de/temp/a780-eem.mpg |
| 22:44.23 | mickeyl | caution: 31mb |
| 22:44.33 | Ifaistos | how old are you guys ? |
| 22:44.41 | mickeyl | 34 |
| 22:44.42 | hrw | Ifaistos: 30 in July |
| 22:44.52 | Ifaistos | i am 36 |
| 22:45.09 | hrw | first own computer: amiga 600 in 1995 |
| 22:45.15 | mickeyl | you started late |
| 22:45.27 | Ifaistos | zx80... had to handsolder it :) |
| 22:45.27 | mickeyl | my first was 1982 C64 |
| 22:46.59 | hrw | mickeyl: own == first which I bought using my cash |
| 22:47.05 | hrw | before was ataru 65xe |
| 22:47.10 | hrw | atari |
| 22:47.43 | mickeyl | hrw: ah right. hmm... my first own one was a PC in the late nineties. c64 and amiga i got from parents. |
| 22:48.20 | hrw | mickeyl: you forgot to rotate video.. |
| 22:48.25 | hrw | 00:48:05 (164.67 KB/s) - `a780-eem.mpg' saved [32875768/32875768] |
| 22:48.33 | hrw | ~hail 1.5Mbps at home |
| 22:48.34 | ibot | ACTION bows down to 1.5Mbps at home and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:48.39 | mickeyl | excellent |
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| 22:49.21 | hrw | hrw@home:~$ mplayer -vf pp,rotate a780-eem.mpg |
| 22:49.22 | hrw | helps |
| 22:49.42 | Ifaistos | Got 3g card to work on my ppc board :) |
| 22:49.49 | mickeyl | congrats Ifaistos |
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| 22:50.19 | Ifaistos | anyone interested in getting vwdial and friends to OE ? |
| 22:50.38 | Ifaistos | I am trying for 3 days to get this @#$%^ library cross-compile |
| 22:50.40 | hrw | hrw@home:~$ mplayer -vf pp,rotate,mirror a780-eem.mpg |
| 22:50.43 | hrw | best |
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| 22:50.57 | mickeyl | Ifaistos: post what you have into bugtracker and some one will have a look |
| 22:52.22 | hrw | mickeyl: nice video |
| 22:52.22 | Ifaistos | mickeyl: I will try tommorow also, as its a holiday here and have some free time |
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| 22:52.33 | hrw | hi Marcos |
| 22:52.34 | thejapa | good evening people |
| 22:52.45 | Ifaistos | thejapa : Hi |
| 22:52.56 | thejapa | hrw, lfaistos: hello! |
| 22:53.12 | bd2 | mickeyl, awesome video |
| 22:53.45 | hrw | heh.. from photos it looks like sl-a300 was very small pda.. |
| 22:53.50 | thejapa | hrw: now I hope to pickup speed. I'll have 3 spare days this week to compensate all that lateness. :) |
| 22:54.11 | bd2 | 03:02:46 (70.96 KB/s) - `a780-eem.mpg' saved [32875768/32875768] |
| 22:54.16 | bd2 | :-P |
| 22:54.33 | thejapa | i'm even having nightmares these days |
| 22:55.38 | hrw | thejapa: so now "Implement export to text for both GPE and OPIE PIM data. (CSV?)" is a task. |
| 22:56.28 | thejapa | hrw: oh, not yet. :( unless you say running a sqlite dump is something acceptable. ew |
| 22:58.35 | hrw | ~lart nickserv |
| 22:58.59 | hrw | thejapa: ok |
| 23:00.06 | hrw | thejapa: jabber.. |
| 23:02.02 | mickeyl | tssss. 2.4 camera driver doesn't even call i2c_probe. it calls attach_adapter directly :/ |
| 23:02.19 | hrw | mickeyl: hardcoded existance? |
| 23:02.23 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:02.41 | mickeyl | no wonder registering works without power then |
| 23:02.42 | mickeyl | heh |
| 23:02.46 | hrw | simplification which works but not quite legal |
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| 23:17.24 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 23:23.49 | hrw | cu |