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| 06:36.19 | v8jlene | goxboxlive: Yeah... |
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| 06:45.07 | goxboxlive | v8jlene: do you know how i can patch qte so my keyboard on the htc universal will work in Opie? |
| 06:46.36 | v8jlene | goxboxlive: Heh, no idea... my work is all for a router distro - so no UI stuff at all. So no idea about qte or opie or keyboards. |
| 06:46.37 | goxboxlive | Someone mension kernel-keyboardmap.patch for me, but when i try to aplly it in qte-common-2.3.10.inc the compilation failes about missing kernelkeyboard.cpp |
| 06:46.45 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 06:58.44 | CIA-9 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rea9b2aa1... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 06:58.44 | CIA-9 | linux-titan-sh4 2.6.16: Updates: |
| 06:58.44 | CIA-9 | - Add support for getgeo to the ssfdc driver so lilo will work with onboard |
| 06:58.44 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.44 | CIA-9 | - Override the KERNEL_RELEASE to be KERNEL_VERSION - since sh kernels add |
| 06:58.45 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.47 | CIA-9 | - Change the kernel imagetype to zImage since lilo boots that fine and the |
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| 07:31.13 | minipanda | celf@thinkpanda ~/newbase/org.openembedded.dev $ monotone update |
| 07:31.14 | minipanda | monotone: already up to date at c559a14f1e4e3c5114c6501d8124accafc74740f |
| 07:31.30 | minipanda | hi, OE ppls, is that the latest OE.db i can get? |
| 07:31.45 | minipanda | seems more than 5 days didn't updated? |
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| 07:34.30 | hvontres | minipanda: did you do a monotone -pull ? |
| 07:36.12 | minipanda | hvontres: sorry, i've done monotone -pull, but seems enter a wrong org.openembedded.dev/ directory :-( |
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| 07:36.34 | minipanda | hvontres: ok, i will try later and redo a checkout |
| 07:37.06 | minipanda | BTW: where shall i report a bug for Bitbake? |
| 07:37.14 | koen | good morning all |
| 07:37.16 | zecke | bugs.openembedded.org |
| 07:37.24 | zecke | minipanda: make sure it is a bitbake bug though |
| 07:37.24 | hrw|work | morning |
| 07:37.42 | hrw|work | koen: 29 00:01 < rwhitby> I see koen mailed me asking to remove the tinderbox.nslu2-linux.org alias. Where has tinderbox moved to, or has the functionality been withdrawn? |
| 07:37.59 | minipanda | i just tried to use 'pastelog' but then bb forced to quit |
| 07:38.13 | zecke | rwhitby: ewi546 musn't have any alias!!! :) |
| 07:38.27 | zecke | rwhitby: if we do, ewi546 will be terminated |
| 07:38.34 | zecke | whatever :} |
| 07:39.20 | hvontres | minipanda: try ~/newbase $ monotone --db=/stuff/OE.db pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev |
| 07:39.44 | hvontres | asuming OE.db is your db file.. |
| 07:39.53 | minipanda | hvontres: thanks, 'rev written' now ;-) |
| 07:40.01 | hvontres | np |
| 07:41.57 | minipanda | ooops :Query failure: Table 'pastebin' was not locked with LOCK TABLES |
| 07:41.57 | minipanda | insert into pastebin (poster, domain, posted, format, code, parent_pid, expires,expiry_flag) values ('minipanda', 'oe', now(), 'text', '\[celf@xsara build\]$ bitbake -i\r\nBitBake Shell Version 0\.5\.3\.1 \(C\) 2005 Michael \'Mickey\' Lauer \\r\nType \'help\' for more information, press CTRL-D to exit\.\r\nBB\>\> build bootstrap-image\r\nSHELL\: This command needs to parse bbfiles\.\.\.\r\nNOTE\: Using cache in |
| 07:42.12 | minipanda | seems something running on oe.pastebin.com was crashed |
| 07:42.46 | minipanda | so when i tried 'pastelog' in my 'bitbake -i' shell, will crashed too |
| 07:47.28 | hvontres|zzzZZZZ | night all |
| 07:47.38 | pavelm | bye... |
| 07:47.59 | hrw|work | o.. pavelm was |
| 07:48.10 | hvontres|zzzZZZZ | good luck keeping ewi546 up...after all the trouble we had last week ;) |
| 07:49.21 | XorA | morning |
| 07:50.24 | hrw|work | hi XorA |
| 07:54.03 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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| 07:54.47 | minipanda | hi, can anybody help me take a look at http://pastebot.nd.edu/320 |
| 07:55.00 | minipanda | i really stucked with this issue for two days and really have no clue :-( |
| 07:55.48 | minipanda | seems the linux-omap1-2.6.12-rc2 pacakge build alright, |
| 07:56.15 | minipanda | but failed at do_deploy |
| 07:59.02 | zecke | minipanda: you need to look into the log file |
| 08:00.35 | minipanda | zecke: well, the log file only contain one line "/home/celf/newbase/individual/celf/101/OE-20060622_20060627/omap5912osk_familiar-unstable_bootstrap-image/build/tmp/work/omap5912osk-linux/linux-omap1-2.6.12-rc2-r3/temp/run.do_deploy.15919: line 685: do_deploy: command not found |
| 08:00.35 | minipanda | " |
| 08:00.51 | hrw|work | koen: ping |
| 08:00.53 | zecke | that is bad |
| 08:01.06 | minipanda | zecke: and the line 685 of run.do_deploy is just "do_deploy" |
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| 08:01.55 | koen | hrw|work: pong |
| 08:02.23 | zecke | minipanda: that is bad :) |
| 08:02.29 | XorA | hey koen |
| 08:02.30 | minipanda | zecke: hi, i've read some other .bb file for kernel in /pacakges/linux/* |
| 08:02.51 | hrw|work | koen: http://test.hentges.net/ is mod_rewrite round-robin test for resolving feeds.oz.org - can you look? |
| 08:02.52 | minipanda | zecke: and seems they also call the same sub-function do_deploy as well |
| 08:03.24 | zecke | minipanda: e.g. the linux-openzaurus.inc has a custom do_deploy |
| 08:03.31 | zecke | minipanda: do you have one for your OMAP kernel? |
| 08:03.33 | hrw|work | koen: I want to know does ewi can or cannot be used in such way |
| 08:03.34 | koen | hrw|work: seems to work |
| 08:03.39 | koen | hrw|work: sure |
| 08:03.46 | hrw|work | koen: thx |
| 08:03.48 | koen | hrw|work: anything that doesn't involve dns is fine |
| 08:03.56 | XorA | hrw|work: thats pretty sweet, is the code available for interest? |
| 08:03.56 | hrw|work | ok |
| 08:04.03 | hrw|work | XorA: ask CoreDump |
| 08:04.12 | zecke | RP: ping, I got a poky and OE 'fix' |
| 08:04.25 | XorA | CoreDump|home: is the code available for your sweet mod rewrite haxoring? |
| 08:04.27 | zecke | RP: RRECOMMENDS_${PN} = "" in autoconf-native.bb |
| 08:04.37 | CoreDump|home | XorA: sure thing, hold on |
| 08:04.45 | minipanda | zecke: sorry, i don't know exactly your meaning? |
| 08:05.02 | zecke | minipanda: well, I have no clue about this linux-omap file |
| 08:05.21 | zecke | minipanda: all I know is do_deploy is shell, an empty shell method should at least contain a ':' |
| 08:05.35 | zecke | minipanda: I don't know why you would want to leave do_deploy blank |
| 08:05.50 | minipanda | zecke: well, not me leave it blank |
| 08:06.11 | minipanda | zecke: this same .bb file can be build in OLD OE.db |
| 08:06.24 | zecke | minipanda: well, do you use a omap5912osk? |
| 08:06.32 | minipanda | zecke: yes, i am |
| 08:06.42 | zecke | minipanda: if it is the same bb file, where it comes from does not matter |
| 08:07.00 | zecke | minipanda: what about looking into this bb file once? |
| 08:07.08 | minipanda | zecke: well, i just curious, why the same .bb file can be build few months ago, but failed now |
| 08:07.17 | zecke | minipanda: In my outdated copy of OE I have do_deploy_omap5912osk( |
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| 08:07.27 | CoreDump|home | XorA: http://rafb.net/paste/results/f9nP1f83.html |
| 08:07.40 | zecke | minipanda: this means if omap5912osk is in your OVERRIDES (e.g. from MACHINES/DISTRO) it will use this method |
| 08:07.41 | minipanda | zecke: ah, could you post that .bb file somewhere on pastebot.org? |
| 08:07.46 | zecke | minipanda: otherwise it will crash |
| 08:08.01 | zecke | minipanda: use your OE.db to extract that version ;) |
| 08:08.08 | zecke | minipanda: we have SCM for a reason |
| 08:08.23 | XorA | CoreDump|home: cool, that rewrite engine is a lot smarter than I ever thought |
| 08:09.02 | minipanda | zecke: ok, i just use -checkout each time, and i don't know how to get the exactly verison of that .bb file from OE.db |
| 08:09.09 | minipanda | zecke: and what's the 'SCM' meaning? |
| 08:09.19 | CoreDump|home | XorA: yeah, the module is pretty nifty and the documentation is very good |
| 08:09.22 | zecke | minipanda: dc2bd7bf38445d4f691591f85e37ab1524251d28 this is my manifest |
| 08:09.33 | zecke | minipanda: 12b4da6c57d22b540df4a906937d3c7d4fa403fc this is the old revision |
| 08:09.54 | zecke | minipanda: ah 12b4da6c57d22b540df4a906937d3c7d4fa403fc <- the current revision |
| 08:11.54 | minipanda | zecke: so could you let me know how can i -checkout "dc2bd7bf38445d4f691591f85e37ab1524251d28" from my local OE.db? |
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| 08:12.07 | zecke | minipanda: e.g. you could do monotone cat -r 12b4da6c57d22b540df4a906937d3c7d4fa403fc packages/linux/linux-omap1_2.6.12-rc2.bb |
| 08:12.20 | zecke | minipanda: sorry, my time is up, need to start working now |
| 08:12.21 | zecke | later guys |
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| 08:16.02 | CoreDump|home | XorA: apache.org has very good docs with examples for mod_rewrite |
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| 09:02.16 | koen | hey pH5 |
| 09:02.34 | pH5 | hey koen |
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| 09:29.28 | hrw|work | ARGH!! |
| 09:29.35 | hrw|work | KILLL!! KILL!! ipkg |
| 09:29.44 | XorA | hrw|work: oops |
| 09:29.58 | hrw|work | koen: got hit by efl++ probably |
| 09:30.14 | woglinde | hrw what happens? |
| 09:30.25 | hrw|work | mv *.ipk morgue/ |
| 09:30.48 | hrw|work | good that it was not 'rm *.ipk' |
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| 09:39.43 | koen | hrw|work: it looks like it's the new tar |
| 09:39.57 | koen | hrw|work: apt-get dist-upgrade seems to have broken a batch of OE assumptions |
| 09:43.08 | woglinde | koen? |
| 09:43.31 | koen | woglinde: new version tools, new version of OE breakages |
| 09:43.42 | koen | s/tools/of tools/ |
| 09:44.16 | XorA | hrw|work: + tends to break ipkg-make-index in many cases, +cvsXXXXX always ranks lower than any version number in make-index, but works as expected in ipkg |
| 09:47.58 | hrw|work | maybe |
| 09:48.49 | hrw|work | ipkg(-utils) looks like something which was written for much smaller amount of data |
| 09:57.08 | pb_ | XorA: that's probably just a bug in the python version compare routine. it should be easy enough to fix. |
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| 10:43.42 | koen | tar: *control: Not found in archivetar: Error exit delayed from previous errorstar: Pattern matching characters used in file names. Please,tar: use --wildcards to enable pattern matching, or --no-wildcards totar: suppress this warning. |
| 10:43.49 | koen | hrw|work: you get the same error? |
| 10:44.48 | hrw|work | koen: I did not built images yet |
| 10:45.09 | koen | running ipkg-make-index is the problem |
| 10:54.44 | koen | hrw|work: try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/ipkg-utils-fix.patch |
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| 10:58.45 | hrw|work | will do but not now |
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| 11:18.19 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4cd47ee4... 10/packages/debianutils/ (3 files): debianutils: added 2.16.1, dropped older not fetchable ones |
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| 11:47.00 | Gerrath | what is the difference between do_install and do_stage? |
| 11:47.59 | koen | do_install is for making packages and do_stage just copies stuff into staging/ |
| 11:48.21 | hrw|work | speaking about staging... |
| 11:48.27 | hrw|work | koen: how goes your SoC? |
| 11:48.48 | koen | glibc suxx0rs |
| 11:49.13 | hrw|work | I see |
| 11:49.23 | koen | I've been trying to get glibc to stage properly without needing 'make install' a zillion times |
| 11:53.39 | Gerrath | so if I want to manually compile a program I should go to its work directory, run do_compile followed by do_stage, then go to the work directory of my main meta file and run do_rootfs and I should have a rootfs that has the newly compiled program installed, correct? |
| 11:54.05 | Gerrath | when I refer to do_ I mean the scripts in the temp directories :-) |
| 11:55.02 | koen | bitbake -b file.bb -c compile -f ? |
| 11:55.44 | Gerrath | koen, will that put the program into the the tmp/rootfs area? |
| 11:55.56 | koen | no, that will compile it |
| 11:56.02 | Gerrath | that is what I thought. |
| 11:58.53 | Gerrath | I want to get the new compiled program into the rootfs dir so I can manually run mkfs.jffs2. I think the only way to do this is run the scripts in the temp directories manually. |
| 12:00.36 | Gerrath | it is a real nice feature of OE having the scripts in the temp directories :-) |
| 12:05.40 | hrw|work | Gerrath: add package to IPKG_INSTALL of image |
| 12:05.48 | hrw|work | Build statistics: Attempted builds: 157 Failed builds: 152 Dependencies not satisfied: 73 |
| 12:05.54 | hrw|work | world ended |
| 12:07.17 | Gerrath | hrw|work, that will just generate an ipkg to download to the target correct? |
| 12:07.24 | koen | oh noooes the worl ended |
| 12:07.44 | hrw|work | Gerrath: you use bitbake + OE to build packages and then use packages to generate images |
| 12:10.20 | Gerrath | I thought the only use for ipkg was to provide a (.deb like) file that you would then download to the target and use ipkg to install it. |
| 12:11.54 | hrw|work | Gerrath: that too |
| 12:13.39 | Gerrath | hrw|work, I guess I will have to read up on ipkg as I have no idea how to build an image with it :-) |
| 12:14.01 | hrw|work | Gerrath: packages/meta/*-image.bb |
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| 12:16.16 | Gerrath | hrw|work, ok I think I understand what you are saying. I already wrote a meta file for my project so your saying to compile the packaged I modifed using bitbake then rebuild my project using my meta file (through bitbake). |
| 12:16.44 | hrw|work | sort of that |
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| 12:29.18 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r744da369... 10/packages/suspend-desktop/suspend-desktop_1.0.bb: |
| 12:29.18 | CIA-9 | suspend-desktop: fixups |
| 12:29.18 | CIA-9 | * fix do_install to not break (see oe bug #1023, #1024 and #1025) |
| 12:29.18 | CIA-9 | * set package_arch to all |
| 12:34.00 | hrw|work | hi Cliff |
| 12:34.48 | cbrake | hello Marcin |
| 12:36.49 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r22638cb9... 10/packages/fbreader/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fbreader: added 0.7.3d |
| 12:36.53 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rce7d852f... 10/conf/licenses.conf: licenses.conf: added another variants of GPL v2 |
| 12:36.57 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r44c112a1... 10/packages/fbreader/fbreader_0.7.3d.bb: fbreader 0.7.3d: fixed SRC_URI |
| 12:40.10 | Gerrath | good morning cbrake. |
| 12:40.44 | hrw|work | 150 failed packages |
| 12:40.57 | cbrake | Gerrath: morning. How are things? |
| 12:41.08 | goxboxlive | Could anyone help me how i patch the qte-mt or qte tp qork with a usb keyboard? ( On HTC Universal it's a USB keyboard) . |
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| 12:42.19 | goxboxlive | I have heard from lpoetter that QTE can be patched with kernel-kaymap.patch, but i have tried in the wte-common.inc file, but it failes when building |
| 12:42.41 | do13_ | morning all |
| 12:42.42 | hrw|work | hi Dirk |
| 12:42.48 | do13_ | hey Marcin |
| 12:42.51 | NAbyss | goxboxlive: I've got my zaurus working with a usb keyboard.. loadkeys w/ a standard qwerty keymap did the job.. |
| 12:42.53 | hrw|work | goxboxlive: qte in OE contain kernel keymap patch |
| 12:43.41 | goxboxlive | hrw: I know that, i have tried to define the keymap patch, but it failes buidliding. It s probaly because i am doing some thing wrong |
| 12:47.37 | hrw|work | how to define alias with params in bash? |
| 12:47.51 | hrw|work | alias bbnew='bitbake -cclean $1;bitbake $1 |
| 12:47.52 | goxboxlive | I am adding kernel-keymap.patch in to the list in qte-common.inc file, but it complaines about a missing file. I'll buidl again and i let you know what it says. |
| 12:48.06 | hrw|work | alias bbnew='bitbake -cclean $1;bitbake $1' got autoreplaced $1 ;( |
| 12:51.24 | goxboxlive | I have to use this in the /etc/init.d/opie files to get it to work ( export QWS_KEYBOARD=USB:/dev//input/event1) . But that is with a precomiled qte-mt lib. I just want it to work right out of the OE. |
| 12:52.28 | hrw|work | goxboxlive: if you build qte with OE and set QWS_KEYBOARD=USB:/dev//input/event1 then it works? |
| 12:53.06 | goxboxlive | Ok here is the failings message i get when i am adding the patch in the qte-common file: http://pastebin.ca/74777 |
| 12:54.03 | goxboxlive | hrw|work: Only when i am aplying the prebuild qte lib. There was a guy who made it, but he has left so i cant get in touch with him. |
| 12:54.11 | hrw|work | ;( |
| 12:55.09 | goxboxlive | But lpotter said to me that Opie could get the keyboard for the kernel. It was just to aplply the kernell-keymap.patch. But i ahve problem to build it as you can see. |
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| 12:55.23 | mr_nice_slacker | hi all |
| 12:55.31 | goxboxlive | also to write correct english :-) |
| 12:55.32 | koen | hey mr_nice_slacker |
| 12:55.58 | hrw|work | goxboxlive: I'm using .oz354x mostly so do not follow .dev changes.. |
| 12:56.51 | goxboxlive | What is the flile kernelkeyboard.cpp? Where can i get that file? It seems like it's missing. Is it something from my cvs kernel? |
| 12:57.33 | hrw|work | no - its from qte patches |
| 12:57.52 | v8jlene | hrw|work: use a function?: function bbnew { bitbake -cclean $1; bitbake $1; } |
| 12:57.55 | goxboxlive | This is so strangem because with GPE the keyboard work right out of OE. |
| 12:58.28 | hrw|work | goxboxlive: its not strange |
| 12:58.36 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 12:58.41 | hrw|work | qte is very limited when it comes to device support out-of-box |
| 12:58.52 | hrw|work | v8jlene: will check |
| 12:59.52 | goxboxlive | i c, but is HTC universal the only device that have a integrated USB keyboard. If i just knew another device with the same setup i could just tried to do the same. |
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| 13:05.04 | hrw|work | 2.3.10 or 2.3.12? |
| 13:05.17 | goxboxlive | 2.3.10 |
| 13:05.42 | hrw|work | universal do not apply kernelkeymap currently.. |
| 13:05.46 | hrw|work | hi Skyhusker |
| 13:06.29 | Skyhusker | hey hrw|work |
| 13:07.34 | koen | hrw|work: what do you think about using swap on microdrive models? |
| 13:07.37 | koen | hey Skyhusker |
| 13:07.45 | goxboxlive | ok, so i am using a wrong patch. Which patch should i then use? There have to be a way to solve this. We now have allmost fully support for the HTC Universal in the dev branch, but we should also had a working keyboard :-) . |
| 13:08.02 | hrw|work | koen: many people do it already |
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| 13:08.16 | koen | hrw|work: by default I mean |
| 13:08.22 | goxboxlive | zecke my hero, how is the mood today? |
| 13:08.35 | Skyhusker | hey koen |
| 13:08.36 | koen | hrw|work: iirc ubuntu has a udev rule that detects and uses swap partitions automagically |
| 13:08.43 | Skyhusker | hey zecke |
| 13:08.51 | hrw|work | koen: o.. thats interesting |
| 13:09.33 | koen | I say iirc, since I hosed my ubuntu install today |
| 13:09.38 | zecke | goxboxlive: busy :( |
| 13:09.46 | koen | note: do not use a 20MB /boot partition on ubuntu |
| 13:09.51 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.54 | zecke | goxboxlive: so bad mood |
| 13:10.06 | zecke | lpotter_: okay. While I have asked to GPL Qtopia |
| 13:10.16 | zecke | lpotter_: you have made three Qtopia releases to your customers |
| 13:10.17 | goxboxlive | zecke: ok, sorry to hear that. |
| 13:10.34 | zecke | lpotter_: so, I think it is time to push Gtk+ more harder |
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| 13:17.13 | pb_ | zecke: who are you, and where is the real zecke? |
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| 13:18.11 | Skyhusker | btw, are there any plans to move to monotone >=0.26? 0.25 doesn't work for me since i moved to gcc 4.1 |
| 13:18.30 | koen | Skyhusker: see openembedded.org |
| 13:18.33 | zecke | pb_: hehe, well. If TT says Community piss of we don't want you |
| 13:18.38 | Skyhusker | koen: thanks :) |
| 13:18.43 | zecke | pb_: I will try to get less addicted to Qt |
| 13:19.06 | ade|desk | zecke: well come to the light side |
| 13:19.08 | koen | zecke: try efl++ ;) |
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| 13:21.26 | zecke | koen: I want something cross platform :) |
| 13:21.41 | zecke | koen: and I want it before HURD is finished |
| 13:21.55 | koen | :) |
| 13:22.30 | zecke | koen: I didn't like the GSoC interview |
| 13:22.50 | Skyhusker | zecke: you have plenty of time, so ;) |
| 13:22.56 | koen | there's a stream of complaints about that |
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| 13:24.08 | pb_ | zecke: which interview was that? |
| 13:26.10 | zecke | pb_: sorry, survey |
| 13:26.36 | zecke | pb_: it has that fishy job interview smell |
| 13:26.50 | zecke | pb_: could he or his student be right for google... |
| 13:27.45 | pb_ | zecke: ah, I see |
| 13:27.47 | pb_ | that isn't too good |
| 13:29.00 | zecke | "would you like to work in a small cubicle at google?" |
| 13:29.08 | zecke | You didn't answer the required question... |
| 13:29.18 | zecke | comes up if you don't answer... |
| 13:29.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:30.16 | zecke | ah and it only has the "Yes" button ;) |
| 13:30.39 | pb_ | :-} |
| 13:31.59 | XorA | sounds kinda like microsoft recruiting tactics |
| 13:41.13 | giel | aargh |
| 13:41.16 | giel | now i'm pissed off |
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| 13:41.40 | giel | someone broke my code, fucked my identation, didn't keep my coding style and committed |
| 13:42.02 | hrw|work | giel: details? |
| 13:42.07 | giel | no |
| 13:42.11 | giel | not interesting |
| 13:43.34 | XorA | ~lart enca for -I/usr/include |
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| 13:51.47 | Gerrath | I noticed that all the files in my dev/ directory under rootfs are just files, shouldn't they actually be devices? |
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| 13:55.54 | CIA-9 | 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rc7ec779d... 10/packages/misc-binary-only/acx-firmware_1.0.bb: acx-firmware: recommend kernel modules, don't depend on them |
| 13:56.41 | do13_ | Gerrath: which image? |
| 13:57.51 | XorA | who is john bloom? |
| 13:58.43 | koen | XorA: johnX iirc |
| 13:58.54 | XorA | koen: cheers |
| 13:58.56 | koen | ~seen johnX |
| 13:59.06 | ibot | johnx <n=john@c-71-231-59-137.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 10d 4h 34m 46s ago, saying: 'I guess copy what you can, but it looks like the mmc/sd driver itself has run into trouble, and that's what caused this in the first place'. |
| 13:59.17 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:59.22 | XorA | horrible hack in enca.bb mixes my arm headers with x86_64 with bad effect |
| 14:01.39 | Gerrath | do13_, generic. |
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| 14:11.28 | do13_ | Gerrath: It looks like generic doesn't generate the devices. Have a look at image_ipkg.bbclass and tro to inherit this |
| 14:11.32 | koen | hmmm |
| 14:11.45 | koen | what's the magic incantation to put w100 fb in 320x240? |
| 14:11.59 | Kristoffer | mornin |
| 14:12.08 | hrw|work | koen: fbset? |
| 14:12.17 | koen | that's what I thought |
| 14:12.25 | koen | but busybox fbset is nonworking |
| 14:14.03 | XorA | koen: it works, you need to remember to pass the arg to say actually change, not just give me timins |
| 14:14.12 | XorA | koen: I cant rember which arg that is offhand |
| 14:14.45 | koen | Xfbdev -screen 320x240@90 :) |
| 14:14.48 | XorA | fbset -n -xres 240 -yres 320 |
| 14:15.50 | Gerrath | do13, Thanks. |
| 14:16.47 | do13_ | Gerrath: does it works now? |
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| 14:21.50 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * radcc491a... 10/packages/supertux/supertux_0.1.2.bb: supertux: updated to version from .dev |
| 14:21.55 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r8b23d3f9... 10/packages/silo/ (cross.patch silo_1.4.8.bb): dropped silo |
| 14:21.59 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rba8df928... 10/packages/freeze/ (files/freeze files/unfreeze freeze.bb unfreeze.bb): dropped freeze/unfreeze |
| 14:22.03 | CIA-9 | 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r48bc4c5f... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf: openzaurus 3.5.4.1: add oz-bootsplash into images |
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| 14:25.44 | mr_nice_slacker | zecke:hi, if you have some time could you tell me where to download your 2.6.0 and 2.6.10 kernels? if not just write me a botmail if you have some time for it. |
| 14:26.07 | jasuris | after building the bootstrap image, the root fs does not have an HDA device in /dev |
| 14:26.29 | jasuris | I added support for IDE in the defconfig file.... does anything else need to be done? |
| 14:27.58 | Gerrath | do13_, well not really but that is because I have a slew of other issues to iron out first :-) |
| 14:31.23 | Kristoffer | zecke, any update on the bitbake issue? |
| 14:37.33 | Kristoffer | have a bitbake problem, any guru around. Just got some logical questions |
| 14:38.45 | koen | don't ask to ask, ask |
| 14:38.52 | Kristoffer | ah, roger |
| 14:39.11 | Kristoffer | Trying to get the kernel to be built by gcc 3.4.3 |
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| 14:39.41 | Kristoffer | Ive set a preferred providers virtual/{TARGET_PREFIX}gcc-3.4.3:the-gcc |
| 14:39.58 | Kristoffer | But, I must also put a provides the-gcc, in the gcc.bb file right? |
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| 14:40.11 | sirfred | Good evening |
| 14:40.39 | Kristoffer | I use CCsuffix="-3.4.3" in kernel.bb to get it to use that gcc |
| 14:47.39 | mr_nice_slacker | nice device: http://www.titanomni.com/player.html |
| 14:47.59 | jasuris | koen: I had to the ep93xx-kernel_2.6.16.bb file so that it would run depmod... can that be added to the base bitbake file? also although it build the modules and the dependency list its not included in the rootfs crteated by bootstrap-image |
| 14:48.46 | koen | jasuris: that should be handled by kernel.bbclass |
| 14:52.59 | chouimat | mr_nice_slacker: wow ... coool device |
| 14:56.05 | jasuris | for some reason the created function pkg_postinst_modules is never called in do_install, so i had to modify the bb to include a call to it... |
| 14:57.12 | Kristoffer | zecke think I got it now, was several mistakes on my part |
| 14:58.17 | v8jlene | Gerrath: That's actual normal - as a normal use you can't create device nodes, but fakeroot keeps track of them. So any images created from it such as a .tar.gz or the like will have the proper device nodes in it. |
| 14:58.54 | v8jlene | Gerrath: user not use... |
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| 15:13.45 | ken_ | Getting lots of nbd related booting errors, trying to mount stuff. How can I make that go away? |
| 15:28.36 | CIA-9 | 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * raa18ee8e... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pvrusb2-mci: added missing hotplug files |
| 15:33.13 | Gerrath | v8jlene, thanks. |
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| 15:45.48 | eFfeM | which package provides libsocket? libgcrypt fails to build because it is missing -lsocket |
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| 15:55.24 | Crofton | gm |
| 15:55.46 | jasuris | Im making changes to my defconfig file, but they are not making it to the .config file |
| 15:55.50 | jasuris | anyone know why? |
| 15:55.57 | Crofton | hmm |
| 15:56.10 | CosmicPenguin | are you completely rebuliding the package every time? |
| 15:56.13 | Crofton | do you clean after changes |
| 15:56.56 | jasuris | i do a rebuild..... I think that cleans everything.... |
| 15:57.02 | Crofton | um |
| 15:57.05 | Crofton | define rebuild? |
| 15:57.24 | jasuris | i do bitbake -i |
| 15:57.31 | Crofton | rm -rf tmp;bitbake bootstrap image |
| 15:57.32 | jasuris | and then rebuild ep93xx-kernel |
| 15:57.48 | jasuris | trying clean see if that works |
| 15:58.19 | Crofton | I've never used interactive mode |
| 15:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | Look in the log, make sure its copying the defconfig from the right locadtion |
| 15:58.59 | Crofton | I suspect clean will fix problem |
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| 15:59.17 | Kristoffer | I second that suspect |
| 15:59.27 | Crofton | now we shoudl start betting |
| 15:59.33 | Kristoffer | hehe |
| 15:59.40 | jasuris | ok thanks |
| 16:00.11 | Crofton | that fix it? |
| 16:00.27 | jasuris | i just started the build.... let you know in a sec |
| 16:00.35 | CosmicPenguin | Well, a rebuild is a clean, so that really doesn't help |
| 16:01.04 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 16:01.17 | jasuris | that did not fix the problem |
| 16:01.19 | Crofton | CosmicPenguin, have you used -i much? |
| 16:01.23 | Crofton | ok |
| 16:01.30 | Crofton | check the logs |
| 16:01.33 | CosmicPenguin | You have to look at the logs - figure out which defconfig is being copied |
| 16:01.37 | Crofton | I was unawre of -i |
| 16:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: yeah - I use it pretty reguarly - rebuild is very useful, especially when I am in heavy debug |
| 16:02.02 | Crofton | yeah |
| 16:02.05 | Crofton | I can see that |
| 16:02.08 | CosmicPenguin | And since parse is so fast now, its painless |
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| 16:42.15 | Gerrath | I've been struggling with a problem during user space booting for about a week. Here is my boot output: http://www.pastebin.ca/74908 If I download the root file system from ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/people/xscale/mainstone/ for the most part the system boots and works, if I generate a rootfs using OE I get the errors listed in my pastebin post. Both rootfs's use glibc. |
| 16:43.16 | Gerrath | I've double checked the mkfs.jffs2 command being run in my OE enviroment and it is identical to the one I use when generating the mainstone rootfs from the ftp site. |
| 16:43.58 | Gerrath | one difference is the mainstone ftp rootfs is using busybox for init were the OE rootfs is using init.sysvinit |
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| 16:45.36 | woglinde | hi andersee |
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| 16:46.20 | zecke | mr_nice_slacker: hehe |
| 16:46.26 | woglinde | he zecke |
| 16:46.47 | zecke | mr_nice_slacker: well internet. I have asked people to test and finish the last bits at 2.6.10 and 2.6.0 |
| 16:47.03 | zecke | mr_nice_slacker: instead of helping people preferred to stick with 2.4er kernel |
| 16:47.10 | zecke | mr_nice_slacker: now my patches might be either mirrored somewhere, or they are not :) |
| 16:48.40 | zecke | mr_nice_slacker: anyway 2.6.18 will work way better :) |
| 16:49.21 | Gerrath | zecke, I'm going to repost a problem I posted a couple minutes ago (before you were logged on) since you have experiance with a PXA270 :-) |
| 16:49.37 | zecke | Gerrath: well, I'm about to go offline again |
| 16:49.51 | Gerrath | zecke, ok, I won't repost then :-) |
| 16:49.58 | zecke | hehe :) |
| 16:50.09 | zecke | my windoze is almost updated |
| 16:50.32 | zecke | okay done :) |
| 16:50.41 | Kristoffer | zecke, the error thing I talked about last night when trying to get a different gcc-cross for the kernel, turned out to be my fault. Works fine now |
| 16:50.48 | Kristoffer | D O H |
| 16:50.52 | andersee | woglinde: howdy |
| 16:51.49 | woglinde | andersee what are the future plans for uclibc? |
| 16:54.10 | andersee | woglinde: I need to get a release out sometime soon... |
| 16:54.36 | andersee | woglinde: I've been trying to track down a uCibc + mips + gcc 4.1.x problem for about a week now.... |
| 16:55.27 | woglinde | andersee oh :( |
| 16:55.56 | andersee | woglinde: what I really could use is a spare $10 million or so, so I could retire and work on it full time. :-) |
| 16:56.47 | andersee | woglinde: real work has been taking up nearly all of my time for months |
| 16:56.53 | woglinde | andersee yeah thats what everyone dreams of, but we are not marc shuttleworth |
| 16:57.06 | andersee | sucks, doesnt it |
| 16:57.08 | andersee | :-) |
| 16:57.16 | woglinde | andersee are you on hawaii again? |
| 16:57.26 | andersee | heh, nope |
| 16:57.44 | andersee | sitting at home in my basement office |
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| 16:57.49 | woglinde | re thejapa |
| 16:58.09 | thejapa | woglinde: hi! |
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| 17:04.05 | zecke | RP: you tried to hide on Cwiis's pictures? |
| 17:08.29 | mr_nice_slacker | zecke:hi, thx - so i will try the 2.6.17 - may i ask you about a .config file - i can't get a valid kernel allways this unrecognized kernel image. shuld i use another toolchain? actually i use the 3.4.1 toolchain from handhelds.org. btw booting from cf: boot vfat <kernelimagename> :) |
| 17:09.02 | Kristoffer | zecke, the issue we talked about last night, using different gcc for kernel. Turned out it was my fault, works fine now |
| 17:09.09 | Kristoffer | so no need to blame bitbake |
| 17:09.16 | zecke | Kristoffer: what was the issue? |
| 17:09.31 | Kristoffer | using 3.4.3 gcc for compiling kernel, while using 4.1.1 for everything else |
| 17:09.43 | CIA-9 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rec186ae9... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:09.43 | CIA-9 | conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : +kernel-modules to image +fix kernel build |
| 17:09.43 | CIA-9 | * Adds Kernel-modules to all images |
| 17:09.44 | CIA-9 | * Fixes Kernel issue so that kernel is built using 3.4.4 |
| 17:09.44 | CIA-9 | packages/linux/linux-jlime-sh3_2.6.16.20.bb: 3.4.3 -> 3.4.4 |
| 17:09.44 | CIA-9 | * Fixes so it uses 3.4.4 instead of 3.4.3 due to 3.4.3 not being |
| 17:09.46 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.40 | zecke | Kristoffer: file a bug report, say what you did run and ask for bitbake to detect it |
| 17:12.49 | woglinde | mr_nice use my config |
| 17:12.54 | woglinde | http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~heinold/.config |
| 17:13.28 | zecke | woglinde: how is your wife doing? |
| 17:15.20 | woglinde | zecke fine |
| 17:17.57 | mr_nice_slacker | woglinde: many thx! |
| 17:18.44 | Kristoffer | zecke, it worked :) so no bug |
| 17:18.51 | Kristoffer | was a fault on my part for not checking correctly |
| 17:19.05 | zecke | Kristoffer: what did you not check correctly |
| 17:19.20 | Kristoffer | first off I used 3.4.3 which is not availabel as a gcc-cross-kernel package |
| 17:19.27 | zecke | Kristoffer: My todo for next month look like: Hack SIMpad, Hack TinderBox, Hack BitBake |
| 17:19.40 | Kristoffer | Well, it worked fine so dont bother with this atleast |
| 17:19.43 | koen | zecke: ehm.. |
| 17:19.50 | koen | zecke: you forget "get filthy rich" |
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| 17:20.53 | mr_nice_slacker | zecke:the oder looks verry good *lol |
| 17:21.03 | zecke | koen: didn't you know? I decided to get a flithy rich wife |
| 17:21.28 | woglinde | zecke I should tell al |
| 17:21.29 | koen | zecke: ah |
| 17:21.38 | zecke | woglinde: to get flithy rich? |
| 17:21.52 | zecke | koen: 0800-zecke-boy at your service |
| 17:21.58 | Kristoffer | zecke, one thing I thought of, why not create a cross-gcc-kernel-PV for every gcc availabel.. would take away any chance of people messing it up |
| 17:22.00 | zecke | gosh VS .NET takes ages to install |
| 17:22.25 | NAbyss | zecke: Half of the install time is finding the right CD to put in.. |
| 17:22.31 | woglinde | zecke 4 dvd's? |
| 17:22.55 | zecke | NAbyss: worse :) |
| 17:23.13 | NAbyss | zecke: I gave up with VS2k3.. haven't tried since then.. it's gone downhill? :) |
| 17:23.30 | zecke | NAbyss: this is the VS C++ edition (VS2k3) |
| 17:23.51 | NAbyss | Ahh.. |
| 17:23.54 | zecke | NAbyss: It is so badly translated... your need to test the 2^3 options to get IIS installed |
| 17:24.00 | zecke | NAbyss: and then you can continue |
| 17:24.18 | zecke | NAbyss: insert 'Required Stuff CD' msg box comes up: Start with CD1 |
| 17:24.29 | zecke | NAbyss: Insert CD1, Install required software |
| 17:24.36 | zecke | NAbyss: hit 'skip' switch CDs... |
| 17:24.37 | nevarrie | what is oz-devel? the mailing list... |
| 17:24.45 | NAbyss | zecke: Don't remind me.. I put that nightmare behind me after many a visit to the psychologist ;) |
| 17:25.26 | zecke | NAbyss: in Uni VS2k5 is dog sloow and is crashing a lot |
| 17:25.44 | zecke | NAbyss: using a 'Makefile' project, compile, click on the error -> boom |
| 17:25.56 | NAbyss | Yeah, I've heard as much.. I'm sticking with delphi 7.. I've got a copy of delphi 2005, and they've just copied all of vs2k3 and 2k5's mistakes.. |
| 17:26.03 | NAbyss | Whoops. |
| 17:29.29 | woglinde | delphi? wasnt that a oracle? |
| 17:29.30 | woglinde | lol |
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| 17:30.41 | NAbyss | woglinde: think vc++, but pascal.. |
| 17:30.59 | thejapa | delphi is a lot like jbuilder |
| 17:31.05 | thejapa | or the other way around |
| 17:31.34 | NAbyss | Yeah.. delphi was the original, IIRC, then they brought out c++builder, then jbuilder |
| 17:31.59 | woglinde | nabyss I know what delphi is, but I want make this joke |
| 17:32.17 | NAbyss | woglinde: ah, okies =) |
| 17:34.59 | poli | would this by any means by a known issue of any kind? | /mnt/ext0/poli/4700/oe/build/tmp/angstrom/work/ipaq-pxa270-linux-gnueabi/bootstrap-image-1.0-r0/temp/run.do_rootfs.14147: line 660: 28076 Segmentation fault |
| 17:35.11 | poli | | ipkg: couldn't write |
| 17:37.51 | zecke | poli: stop using the '-' in the path name |
| 17:37.57 | zecke | poli: or upgrade ipkg |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 17:38.17 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:38.54 | poli | zecke: ummm that was bitbake bootstrap-image :( |
| 17:39.53 | zecke | poli: oh well, upgrade ipkg |
| 17:41.25 | poli | zecke: and how do I do that? (I never installed it in the first place, I guess OE did that for me, didnt it?) |
| 17:42.01 | zecke | poli: a good chanche to learn and give back? |
| 17:42.39 | poli | zecke: possibly. :) |
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| 17:54.35 | koen | zecke: qt sucks: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QXZtIq60.html |
| 17:56.07 | zecke | koen: Quicktime? yes it sucks, it is proprietary |
| 17:56.18 | woglinde | zecke *g* |
| 17:57.05 | zecke | koen: I would not say Qt sucks |
| 17:57.20 | zecke | koen: it would suck, if it would compile and wouldn't run |
| 17:57.25 | koen | zecke: you would say that I need to pay TT loads of money to 'fix' it? |
| 17:57.39 | CosmicPenguin | TT would say that |
| 17:57.42 | zecke | koen: no |
| 17:57.58 | zecke | koen: Maybe their ARM Assembly does not work with EABI |
| 17:58.15 | zecke | koen: so I understand that they refuse to cross compile to unknown platforms |
| 17:58.41 | koen | heh |
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| 17:58.55 | koen | I doubt qt4/x11 has arm assembly |
| 17:59.09 | zecke | koen: it has |
| 17:59.18 | woglinde | zecke oh |
| 17:59.23 | zecke | koen: it has Assembly for x86, arm, sparc, mips for atomar test and set |
| 18:00.20 | zecke | koen: the ARM assembly requires cores with at least 'swp' |
| 18:00.43 | woglinde | hm no asm for ppc |
| 18:00.51 | zecke | and ppc |
| 18:01.06 | woglinde | last time I try to compile |
| 18:01.17 | woglinde | ppc was not supported platform |
| 18:01.23 | koen | zecke: well, it sucks that they don't have plain C fallbacks |
| 18:01.44 | zecke | they have... |
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| 18:02.00 | zecke | but these use full blown locks, and I think it is not enabled by default |
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| 18:22.17 | koen | zecke: it seems it doesn't like linuxgnueabi, since it expects 'linux' |
| 18:26.04 | zecke | koen: right |
| 18:30.54 | koen | using the linux-g++ entries gives me: | {standard input}:243: Error: Rn must not overlap other operands -- `swpb r1,r0,[r1]' |
| 18:30.55 | lpotter_ | looks like you need to create a linux-gnueabi-g++ mkspec |
| 18:31.32 | koen | which is weird, since the mkspec doesn't seems arch dependant |
| 18:31.55 | lpotter_ | they can be |
| 18:32.51 | CIA-9 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra0bb6704... 10/packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb: ipkg-native: add 0.99.163, fetched from tarball instead of cvs |
| 18:38.23 | joshua_ | koen, wb |
| 18:38.33 | koen | hey joshua_ |
| 18:39.03 | joshua_ | enjoy the trip? |
| 18:41.32 | koen | certainly |
| 18:41.41 | joshua_ | excellent |
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| 18:54.29 | nevarrie | bbl... |
| 19:05.57 | Gerrath | zecke, if you have a moment, look at my following posts and let me know if you have any ideas/suggestions: |
| 19:06.02 | Gerrath | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.11 | Gerrath | I've double checked the mkfs.jffs2 command being run in my OE enviroment and it is identical to the one I use when generating the mainstone rootfs from the ftp site. |
| 19:06.30 | Gerrath | one difference is the mainstone ftp rootfs is using busybox for init were the OE rootfs is using init.sysvinit |
| 19:08.39 | Crofton | does anyone have a website for 02 wireless? |
| 19:08.42 | zecke | Gerrath: well, I think we have proposed to try nfsroot two days ago |
| 19:08.56 | zecke | Gerrath: and did you succeed in mounting this jffs2 file locally? |
| 19:09.03 | zecke | Gerrath: how big are the libraries etc? |
| 19:09.40 | zecke | Gerrath: I think these empty flash messages and the error relates :) |
| 19:09.53 | Gerrath | zecke, I tried the nfs mount but had the same results, the files seem to be reasonable sizes. |
| 19:10.19 | zecke | Gerrath: well, if it complains about JFFS2 you did not use nfsroot |
| 19:10.49 | Gerrath | zecke, I better check that again.. I have run many tests over the past several days.. be back. |
| 19:15.45 | Gerrath | zecke, ugh, I'm glad I checked again, I was using the rootfs in tmp/rootfs This rootfs is not correct since it has file names instead of devices under /dev I will point my nfs mount to my jffs2 RAM mount for the real jffs2 image :-) Be back.. |
| 19:16.24 | zecke | Gerrath: the /dev stuff should not hurt due udev and such |
| 19:20.24 | Gerrath | zecke, it does mess things up, I get a can't open console error if I use that rootfs, This was the same error I got when I made my own jffs2 image against the tmp/rootfs directory. uhm could udev be my issue? |
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| 19:25.09 | Gerrath | zecke, I do not have udev installed. |
| 19:25.17 | hvontres|work | minipanda: any luck getting your oe.db updated? |
| 19:27.00 | hvontres|work | ~seen RP |
| 19:27.02 | ibot | rp <i=1000@tim.rpsys.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 9h 43m 54s ago, saying: 'It can't yet but it shouldn't be diiffcult too d'. |
| 19:27.19 | mickey|office | RP is on GUADEC. |
| 19:27.44 | hvontres|work | mickey|office: ??? |
| 19:27.57 | mickey|office | i thought you were interested |
| 19:28.05 | hvontres|work | thanks |
| 19:28.07 | mickey|office | np |
| 19:28.22 | hvontres|work | mickey|office:Maybe you know this: |
| 19:28.49 | hvontres|work | Where in the .oz454x branch is the kernel version set? |
| 19:29.15 | mickey|office | if it's anyhow similar to .dev, then in conf/machine/<machine>.conf |
| 19:29.24 | hvontres|work | I was trying to build a 2.6.17 image for my poodle but it always comes out with a 2.6.16 kernel |
| 19:29.43 | mickey|office | check whether 2.6.17 has a DEFAULT_PREFERENCE of -1 |
| 19:29.54 | hvontres|work | yes it does... |
| 19:30.01 | mickey|office | then increase it |
| 19:30.19 | mickey|office | e.g. |
| 19:30.20 | mickey|office | PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-openzaurus = "2.6.17" |
| 19:30.22 | mickey|office | in your local.conf |
| 19:30.32 | hvontres|work | Ahhh, thank you very much.. you are wise in the ways of OE :) |
| 19:30.32 | mickey|office | or edit the file and remove it :D |
| 19:30.37 | mickey|office | hehe |
| 19:31.07 | hvontres|work | I will give my Dual PII's another workout tonight then..:) |
| 19:31.32 | mickey|office | excellent. let them work |
| 19:31.40 | minipanda | hvontres|work: well, even after updated with latest OE.db |
| 19:31.41 | mickey|office | it's too hot here to power on my devel machine |
| 19:31.49 | mickey|office | the dual xeons just emit too much heat :/ |
| 19:31.51 | minipanda | hvontres|work: i have the same issue like before |
| 19:32.15 | hvontres|work | How bad is it over there? |
| 19:32.31 | mickey|office | 34 C in my room |
| 19:32.36 | mickey|office | 24 out there |
| 19:32.50 | hvontres|work | OPEN a window..:) |
| 19:32.58 | mickey|office | oh that's what they are for? |
| 19:33.12 | kergoth | i couldnt run my shuttle xpc until the hotel replaced our air conditioner. damn arizona weather :P |
| 19:33.17 | mickey|office | heh |
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| 19:34.14 | Crofton | how hot is it now kergoth ? |
| 19:34.25 | hrw-tosa | hi |
| 19:34.51 | mickey|office | hey hrw@tosa |
| 19:34.53 | hrw-tosa | wif config on tosa is too complocated |
| 19:35.03 | mickey|office | ya, that usbwlan sucks |
| 19:35.05 | hrw-tosa | it can be made simpler |
| 19:35.22 | hrw-tosa | i removed all pre/post stuff |
| 19:35.50 | hrw-tosa | plan to move it to scripts in /etc/network/ |
| 19:36.02 | kergoth | Crofton: pretty cool this week, only 103F today.. course thats mostly due to the chance of thunderstorms lately. last week it was 108F+ all week |
| 19:36.34 | Crofton | heh |
| 19:36.48 | hrw-tosa | mickeyl: i will get free hostcable :) |
| 19:37.04 | Crofton | I remember coming out of the plant around 5:30 and you could feel the radiant heat from eveything |
| 19:37.24 | hvontres|work | Juck, only about 90F (30C) Out in Oceanside..:) But kinda humid lately |
| 19:37.40 | mickey|office | hrw-tosa: congrats :) |
| 19:37.59 | hrw-tosa | mickeyl: second goes to dirk |
| 19:38.10 | mickey|office | my paypal balance is too low. i need to work more on stuff that gets released to get donations ;) |
| 19:39.02 | hrw-tosa | yep.. most of my donation account went to customs |
| 19:39.34 | hrw-tosa | time to fix something on tosa |
| 19:40.24 | hrw-tosa | for example for me wifi works after suspend |
| 19:41.31 | hrw-tosa | but removal of if-pre/post removed disabling of wifi |
| 19:42.41 | hrw-tosa | 25% battery left |
| 19:43.04 | hrw-tosa | tosa screen roxx |
| 19:43.08 | mickey|office | no kidding |
| 19:43.22 | hrw-tosa | lowest brightness and readable |
| 19:43.44 | hrw-tosa | mickel:? |
| 19:43.54 | mickey|office | ya? |
| 19:44.17 | hrw-tosa | 'no kidding'? |
| 19:44.21 | mickey|office | ah |
| 19:44.21 | mickey|office | no kidding = you're damn right |
| 19:44.27 | mickey|office | (at least that's how i use it) |
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| 19:44.37 | hrw-tosa | ah |
| 19:44.50 | mickey|office | trying to improve my english by using phrases :) |
| 19:44.51 | hrw-tosa | for me its reverse |
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| 19:45.30 | mickey|office | that would be "no, kidding" |
| 19:45.36 | mickey|office | (notice the ',') :) |
| 19:45.41 | hrw-tosa | for me 'no kidding' = "dont fuck" |
| 19:45.44 | mickey|office | heh |
| 19:45.44 | hrw-tosa | oka |
| 19:46.20 | hrw-tosa | cu. movie in tv |
| 19:46.25 | mickey|office | one minute |
| 19:46.30 | mickey|office | what would you prefer for our OE berlin meeting |
| 19:46.34 | mickey|office | september or oktober? |
| 19:47.00 | hrw-tosa | yes? |
| 19:47.05 | mickey|office | which month? |
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| 19:47.50 | hrw-tosa | hard to tell now |
| 19:47.57 | nevarrie | hrw-tosa: oz-devel means the developers mailing list? |
| 19:47.59 | mickey|office | ok, np. if you know, just give me ring |
| 19:48.09 | hrw-tosa | nev:yes |
| 19:48.11 | mickey|office | l8er |
| 19:48.21 | hrw-tosa | ok mickey |
| 19:48.34 | nevarrie | thanks...I will send an email... |
| 19:48.35 | hrw-tosa | cu - suspend |
| 19:49.21 | Gerrath | zecke, ok, I still get the exact same errors with the nfs mount as I do with the flash file system, minus the jffs2 warnings. The errors are the lib files are too small: http://pastebin.ca/75805 |
| 19:49.57 | Gerrath | zecke, so it is not related to flash or jffs2 at all. |
| 19:50.00 | zecke | invalid id |
| 19:50.09 | zecke | Gerrath: wait |
| 19:50.21 | zecke | Gerrath: are these files too small on the host? |
| 19:50.26 | zecke | Gerrath: what is file saying? |
| 19:51.57 | Gerrath | zecke, Here is "ls -l" from the host: http://pastebin.ca/75087 File sizes look good to me. |
| 19:52.26 | zecke | Gerrath: I refuse to look at it, Are these files fine, or are they not? |
| 19:52.54 | zecke | Gerrath: e.g. is the libc for ARM, does it carry 'enough' symbols, does it have an ELF header? |
| 19:53.05 | hvontres|work | Anybody manage to kexec from 2.6 back to 2.4 and start up OZ 3.5.4 ? |
| 19:53.22 | zecke | hvontres|work: I think CoreDump|afk did |
| 19:53.40 | zecke | Gerrath: if all files in the nfsroot are fine |
| 19:53.52 | zecke | Gerrath: and they are wrong on the kernel... then... |
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| 19:54.52 | zecke | Gerrath: and your 75805 is too incomplete |
| 19:56.41 | Gerrath | zecke, I did a readelf -h and the header looks good. |
| 19:57.12 | zecke | Gerrath: okay, could you consider posting a complete bootlog with nfsroot? |
| 19:57.24 | Gerrath | zecke, please bare with me I'm very new to kernel dev work :-) I'm trying to get up to speed quick. |
| 19:57.48 | zecke | Gerrath: also, what was proposed days ago: Using a known working kernel on nfs root. Did you try that? |
| 19:57.59 | zecke | Gerrath: yeah, I just want you to think :) |
| 19:58.16 | zecke | generally, I'm lazy most of the time as well, but thinking is fun |
| 19:59.47 | zecke | Gerrath: Some general hints: Compile ELF into the Kernel, use a working Floating Point Emulation, add the stuff you need to the kernel :) |
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| 20:01.47 | Gerrath | zecke, I do not have a known working kernel, thanks for the advice and guidence. Here is the entire boot log along with an elf header output at the end: http://pastebin.ca/75100 |
| 20:03.32 | hrw-tosa | mickeyl: many apps need hires fixes.. tosa show it from other side then c7x0 |
| 20:03.56 | zecke | Gerrath: okay stupid question (I have no clue there as well) |
| 20:04.06 | zecke | Gerrath: if fork fails with No such device... |
| 20:04.27 | zecke | Gerrath: do you have an EABI rootfs, and a non EABI kernel? or the other way around? |
| 20:05.28 | hrw-tosa | mickeyl: look at my scaps |
| 20:08.45 | Gerrath | zecke, my kernel does not have AEABI enabled, I'm not quite sure how to check what the rootfs is.. I'll google some I guess :-) |
| 20:10.01 | koen | "Starting portmap daemon: portmapportmap: fork: No such device." |
| 20:10.07 | koen | that looks weird |
| 20:10.42 | Gerrath | zecke, I just looked in the elf header again, it says right there that it is EABI! |
| 20:11.08 | Gerrath | zecke, I'll recompile the kernel with AEABI enabled. |
| 20:11.26 | koen | Gerrath: where did you get that rootfs? |
| 20:11.34 | koen | EABI rootfs'es are kind of rare |
| 20:12.21 | Gerrath | koen, I built it with OE, I'm using the generic distro. |
| 20:12.35 | koen | hmmm |
| 20:12.40 | koen | that shouldn't use EABI |
| 20:12.42 | hrw-tosa | scaps from tosa suxx too |
| 20:13.07 | koen | afaik, you can't even boot an eabi rootfs with an OABI kernel |
| 20:13.13 | Gerrath | koen, I'm not even sure how to disable it :-) This is a fresh OE dev invorment. |
| 20:13.45 | koen | do you have objdump on that rootfs? |
| 20:15.01 | koen | could you do an 'arm-linux-objdump -p <some lib>' ? |
| 20:15.13 | koen | replace arm-linux with the arch you're targeting |
| 20:15.29 | koen | an eabi file would say something like 'private flags = 4000002: [Version4 EABI] [has entry point]" |
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| 20:18.10 | Gerrath | koen, I used readelf on one of the rootfs lib files and here is the flags: 0x202, has entry point, GNU EABI, software FP |
| 20:18.26 | koen | I don't really trust readelf |
| 20:18.30 | Gerrath | koen, I will have to read up more on objdump before I can give you something usefull form it. |
| 20:19.12 | koen | go to tmp/cross/<target-prefix>/bin |
| 20:20.07 | koen | do ./<target-prefix>-objdump -p /path/to/rootfs/lib/lib<foo>.so |
| 20:22.13 | koen | like this: koen@bitbake:/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin$ ./objdump -p ../../../staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libc-2.4.so |
| 20:22.31 | koen | the last line lists the private flags |
| 20:23.09 | Gerrath | koen, does not look like EABI. private flags = 202: [APCS-32] [FPA float format] [software FP] [has entry point] |
| 20:23.20 | koen | that's what I thought |
| 20:23.54 | koen | for reference, my eabi builds say: private flags = 4000002: [Version4 EABI] [has entry point] |
| 20:24.54 | zecke | hmm busted :} |
| 20:25.10 | koen | that's why I don't trust readelf |
| 20:25.38 | Gerrath | koen, ok so elfread is not very accurate :-) |
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| 20:26.35 | Gerrath | koen, so I guess I'm back to square 1 which is no where. |
| 20:26.51 | koen | you ruled out some more possibilities |
| 20:26.58 | Gerrath | koen, up. |
| 20:27.05 | Gerrath | koen, I mean yup. |
| 20:27.36 | Gerrath | well I guess I need to start working on why portmap is not forking. |
| 20:27.55 | Gerrath | or why it is saying no such device. |
| 20:28.36 | zecke | Gerrath: init=/bin/sh and see where it is going |
| 20:28.56 | koen | zecke: that doesn't work with busybox |
| 20:29.07 | koen | 'init=/bin/busybosh ash' |
| 20:29.11 | koen | ehm |
| 20:29.26 | koen | 'init=/bin/busybox ash' |
| 20:29.27 | CosmicPenguin | busybosh? |
| 20:29.31 | CosmicPenguin | man - that chick has such a busybosh! |
| 20:29.33 | Gerrath | zecke, yes I tried the init=/bin/sh before and got a kernel panic.. thanks koen I will try that.. |
| 20:31.22 | Gerrath | koen, zecke thanks for the help, I think you gave me enough input to start a second round of troubleshooting. Talk to you later :-) time to debug. |
| 20:31.51 | zecke | Gerrath: have fun. I'm sure you will find it |
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| 20:35.20 | zecke | lol |
| 20:35.26 | zecke | NASA is awesome... |
| 20:35.42 | zecke | laser equipment to scan for damage through trash in the space... |
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| 20:36.07 | koen | NASA is great |
| 20:36.15 | zecke | capturing birds before the launch |
| 20:36.27 | zecke | koen: taking pictures and videos from the ISS |
| 20:36.35 | zecke | they have cool tech(tm) |
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| 20:37.53 | bgat | anyone know where I could get a .deb for qt/embedded-3.3.4? |
| 20:38.05 | koen | bgat: qt/e 3 doesn't exist |
| 20:38.12 | koen | only 2 and 4 |
| 20:38.15 | zecke | koen: it does exist |
| 20:38.20 | zecke | koen: schurig is using it :) |
| 20:38.29 | bgat | koen: better talk to Trolltech about their website, then. :) |
| 20:38.34 | koen | zecke: ah, but it was FUDded to death right? |
| 20:38.52 | bgat | tho, 2.x is much more popular, I'm trying to switch a debian/stable machine to qte and that seems the most direct path... |
| 20:38.57 | zecke | koen: declared too huge, and produced a business deadlock |
| 20:38.58 | koen | I remember hearing something about TT not wanting opie to use or something |
| 20:39.00 | bgat | ... to use 3.3.4, I mean. |
| 20:39.08 | zecke | koen: Sharp didn't want to use Qt3 when no other is using Qt3 |
| 20:39.20 | zecke | koen: others didn't want to use Qt3 when Sharp didn't use it... |
| 20:39.35 | zecke | the above is just my impression |
| 20:39.37 | zecke | to clarify |
| 20:40.21 | bgat | so, does anyone know of a package, before I start building it on my own? |
| 20:40.41 | zecke | bgat: Debian? |
| 20:40.52 | koen | zecke: nasa also has cool animals: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/buitenland/amerika2005/ksc/IMG_1390.jpg.html?q=gallery |
| 20:41.30 | mithro | arg, sf is broken again :/ |
| 20:41.30 | bgat | zecke: yes. debian-arm, if you must know. :) |
| 20:41.51 | bgat | I know I'm not exactly in the right forum, but people here seem to understand embedded a little better than #debian :) |
| 20:41.58 | zecke | bgat: not the right channel though, did you try packages.debian.org? |
| 20:42.34 | mithro | koen: what a small alligator, don't think i've ever seen one that small |
| 20:42.41 | bgat | zecke: I checked there first, either I don't have the right search or there isn't one... |
| 20:43.09 | koen | mithro: they come in all sizes :) |
| 20:43.24 | zecke | bgat: yeah, didn't find one myself |
| 20:43.31 | koen | mithro: I hope to see some OZ salt-water crocodiles one day |
| 20:43.43 | koen | but that would probably involve going to oz |
| 20:43.48 | mithro | can somebody check http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_projsummary.php?group_id=132078 and see if it dead halfway through |
| 20:43.56 | zecke | bgat: looks like you need to build one, or teach OE to create debs |
| 20:44.08 | bgat | zecke: let's just say I'm not keen on building up my own if someone else has already... |
| 20:44.24 | koen | mithro: error |
| 20:44.37 | zecke | mithro: I get an error, am I owned yet? |
| 20:44.46 | mithro | okay |
| 20:44.54 | mithro | zecke: owned? |
| 20:46.33 | lpotter_ | hey mithro |
| 20:46.40 | mithro | hey lpotter_ |
| 20:46.45 | mithro | why you up this hour? |
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| 20:47.51 | zecke | lpotter_: hey |
| 20:47.52 | mithro | any able to get to http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=132078&ugn=thousandparsec ? |
| 20:48.12 | bgat | mithro: no, I just get a blank page |
| 20:48.18 | zecke | lpotter_: I have seen you have relaesed Qtopia 4.1.2, 4.1.3 and just 4.1.4 |
| 20:48.46 | zecke | lpotter_: any ETA when the dual licensed, award winning Qtopia, gets a third license (GPL) and is made publically available? |
| 20:49.10 | mithro | bgat: thanks |
| 20:49.11 | zecke | lpotter_: give us the source, help us to add it to OE, create a linuxdevices.com story, success :) |
| 20:49.21 | mithro | lpotter_: any chance you will be coming to LCA 2007? |
| 20:55.58 | luke-jr_ | are there any non-embedded OS using BitBake? |
| 20:56.11 | zecke | not that I know of |
| 20:56.38 | luke-jr_ | do you know of any reason why not? or it just hasn't happened? |
| 20:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | whats a non-embedded OS anyway/ |
| 20:58.15 | luke-jr_ | CosmicPenguin: desktop |
| 20:59.46 | CosmicPenguin | Ohh s/OS/distribution/ |
| 21:00.01 | CosmicPenguin | And sure - people build desktop style images all the time |
| 21:00.10 | luke-jr_ | Windows and FreeBSD are distributions? |
| 21:00.28 | luke-jr_ | "distribution" is an incorrect label applied to Linux-based OS |
| 21:00.33 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 21:00.44 | CosmicPenguin | OS is an operating system - distribution is a collection of packages |
| 21:01.03 | CosmicPenguin | What packages are collected make all the difference in the world |
| 21:01.12 | luke-jr_ | ok, so you have a point that most Linux-based OS are also distributions |
| 21:01.20 | luke-jr_ | but I was primarily asking about OS in general |
| 21:01.40 | luke-jr_ | with or without the accompanying collection of pkgs |
| 21:01.57 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so bascially, you're asking if anyone has ever used bitbake to compile a kernel other then Linux |
| 21:02.05 | luke-jr_ | I guess I'm just wondering if anyone's used BitBake as one would use Portage, and if not why |
| 21:02.20 | CosmicPenguin | And the answer is, some people have considered it, but I don't know if they were successful |
| 21:02.43 | luke-jr_ | having Linux as a kernel doesn't make an OS any less an OS |
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| 21:08.53 | *** topic/#oe is OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | OE and bitbake were made to match, keep them both up to date | BitBake 1.4.2 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org |
| 21:12.17 | ljp | mithro: I am sure I could come to LCA2007 |
| 21:12.58 | mithro | i need speakers for the Embedded Miniconf there |
| 21:13.27 | ljp | ok |
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| 21:18.43 | zecke | ljp: did you see my questions? :) |
| 21:18.54 | zecke | ljp: will bitching at mr. ettrich help? |
| 21:22.53 | ljp | nope. |
| 21:23.47 | ljp | they need a commercial product behind any GPL release, and so they are refactoring qtopia a bit, so we can release the phone interface without telephony |
| 21:26.41 | mickey|tv | too bad that it's taking so long. meanwhile one or the other oss embracing ODM will consider alternatives |
| 21:26.53 | ljp | i agree. |
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| 21:35.15 | mickey|tv | all the options suck in a way. i will have to decide between recommending basing something own based on qtop^h^h/E or using gtk+ or efl then :/ |
| 21:35.42 | mickey|tv | so much for a common linux phone platform |
| 21:41.11 | ljp | ermmm.. each symbian version is incompatible with the next.. whats the diff? |
| 21:41.33 | mickey|tv | the difference is that i don't care about symbian. i care about linux and we _had_ a chance to do better |
| 21:41.43 | mickey|tv | but it looks like it's already too late |
| 21:41.44 | ggilbert_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.39 | mickey|tv | ggilbert: efl is great. the widget sets on top of evas, ecore, and edje are getting better every day. Although there a lot of quirks and still lots of things to do, they are an alternative for someone who wants to have a unique UI. |
| 21:42.44 | ljp | actually, most manufactures hide the fact it runs linux |
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| 21:44.28 | ljp | eugenia like bashing linux |
| 21:44.51 | mickey|tv | yes, but she has a point |
| 21:45.03 | zecke | eugenia? |
| 21:45.11 | ljp | she doesnt understand that manus and phone operators do not want users to run native apps |
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| 21:45.31 | mickey|tv | not yet. |
| 21:45.36 | mickey|tv | I believe this will change |
| 21:45.57 | mickey|tv | not all ODMs are loving j2me |
| 21:45.59 | ggilbert_ | Doesn't anyone care about the customers? :p |
| 21:46.01 | mickey|tv | they are some with a clue |
| 21:46.04 | mickey|tv | thankfully |
| 21:46.20 | zecke | ljp: well, they want to control the number of native apps |
| 21:46.23 | ljp | and that it is actually illegal (in some places) to mess with phones |
| 21:46.37 | zecke | ljp: and well, they use j2me anyway, so it works on windows mobile but they are not too locked in |
| 21:46.58 | zecke | ljp: I think one needs to differentiate |
| 21:47.20 | zecke | ljp: In any country: If you have a wireless module (separate core), that is certified independandly |
| 21:47.41 | zecke | ljp: you can mess with the 'phone' as much as you want |
| 21:47.43 | mickey|tv | *nod* GSM cert, modem interface - period. |
| 21:48.02 | zecke | ljp: e.g. Siemens, or the stuff you use the most, Wavecom provide these modules :) |
| 21:48.06 | ljp | but a lot of phones do not have a seperate baseband processor |
| 21:48.34 | zecke | well they are more expensive and a lot of people want to do everything in one processor to decrease the BOM |
| 21:49.00 | zecke | but these phones won't be picked up by the community anyway (too low end) |
| 21:49.16 | mickey|tv | the smartphone class you're pushing will most certainly have |
| 21:49.24 | zecke | and as seen on linuxdevices.com, Qtopia isn't serving this low level market, which is getting bigger, well |
| 21:50.03 | ljp | actually, no. as I said, not every phone has that feature |
| 21:50.58 | zecke | ljp: if you release GPL source, and these vendors get scary |
| 21:51.05 | zecke | you either have serve security issues within the code |
| 21:51.14 | zecke | (which you have old rsync, zlib...) |
| 21:51.17 | zecke | png |
| 21:51.35 | zecke | but the solution is not not to GPL |
| 21:52.13 | zecke | I hope I have enough time tomorrow to sketch my akademy paper |
| 21:52.27 | zecke | "The lost momentum", I will demonstrate GPE and display migration |
| 21:52.39 | zecke | pb_: what is the state of display migration nowadays? |
| 21:53.01 | thejapa | zecke: is it that teleport app? |
| 21:53.15 | zecke | thejapa: it is just a GUI |
| 21:53.28 | zecke | thejapa: now assume you can hook it up with your usb device |
| 21:53.28 | thejapa | oops :) |
| 21:53.45 | zecke | with your bluetooth device... |
| 21:53.51 | zecke | and you move around in the room :) |
| 21:54.04 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... bluetooth |
| 21:54.08 | zecke | zigbee |
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| 21:54.25 | thejapa | cool |
| 21:54.55 | zecke | I find it ridicoulous that 'desktop' projects try to copy the copy of OSX :) |
| 21:55.10 | zecke | to get into that market, while another huge, even bigger market is there |
| 21:55.10 | thejapa | i need a big screen for that. 240x320 isn't enough |
| 21:55.32 | zecke | thejapa: well. In Opie we had 'BigGUI' classes |
| 21:55.43 | zecke | thejapa: depending on the Desktop Widget Size, the GUI changed |
| 21:55.52 | thejapa | ahhh |
| 21:55.57 | zecke | thejapa: you could teleport your app to a hughe display, and update the GUI |
| 21:56.01 | thejapa | (should I say) ohhh |
| 21:56.19 | zecke | thejapa: this would mean you could carry your small bubble gum sized mobile device with you |
| 21:56.42 | zecke | thejapa: which got GSM/UMTS/WLAN/BNEP to connect to your rack to store and backup your data |
| 21:56.57 | zecke | while giving you the experience of using your normal office applications locally :) |
| 21:57.31 | zecke | actually is just creating this platform, they only need a webbrowser for their platform to work |
| 21:57.53 | zecke | ljp: when will this Qt Terminal Server system be published? |
| 21:58.01 | mickey|tv | zecke: "The lost momentum" -- that inspires me to blog about opie and qtopia asap. |
| 21:58.21 | zecke | mickey|tv: hehe, I wanted to rant, but did not have enough time :) |
| 21:58.27 | mickey|tv | :) |
| 21:58.39 | mickey|tv | i will reserve a 1h time slot for that tomorrow |
| 21:58.51 | ggilbert_ | mickey|tv, zecke: have either of you guys worked with nokia's stuff yet? |
| 21:59.03 | zecke | the mystical "next man month" |
| 21:59.15 | zecke | ggilbert_: not much, enough to get some feeling |
| 21:59.33 | mickey|tv | ggilbert: yes. it's cool. it's not perfect, but it's cool. I'm still waiting for a complete C++ binding though. I can't stand C. |
| 21:59.35 | zecke | ggilbert_: it is promising, specially with the stuff o-hand is cooking |
| 21:59.44 | zecke | mickey|tv: use the python bindings |
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| 22:00.05 | mickey|tv | zecke: I'm afraid that'll be too slow. the N770 is not powerful enough. |
| 22:00.16 | ggilbert_ | Promising is a good sign :p |
| 22:00.21 | zecke | mickey|tv: use IronPython then? |
| 22:00.25 | ggilbert_ | particularly if they stick with it |
| 22:00.38 | mickey|tv | zecke: *aufstampf* I WANT C++ |
| 22:00.56 | zecke | mickey|tv: me too, I have heard one can mix c and c++ |
| 22:01.02 | raduga | huh? |
| 22:01.03 | mickey|tv | that's just a rumour. |
| 22:01.09 | mickey|tv | i have yet to see a prove |
| 22:01.09 | raduga | isn't C++ the same thing as D? |
| 22:01.25 | zecke | okay back to work |
| 22:01.33 | mickey|tv | good idea. cu |
| 22:01.38 | zecke | mickey|tv: have you ever seen displaymigration |
| 22:01.48 | raduga | or does it work, the way it does with academic grades? |
| 22:01.50 | mickey|tv | zecke: not yet. you have to show me when we meet |
| 22:01.53 | raduga | C++ == B |
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| 22:08.08 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 22:17.46 | mickey|tv | g'night |
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| 23:25.26 | ljp | hmmm. my simpad no longer calibrates the screen |
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| 23:56.37 | zecke | cya later |
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