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| 00:37.34 | Sadarax | Hello? Anyone here? |
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| 07:00.11 | cyrilRomain | 'morning |
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| 08:06.41 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 08:14.54 | nchip | florian_kc: I got upto gdb-cross when building task-sdk |
| 08:15.06 | nchip | umm, meta-sdk that is |
| 08:19.05 | zecke | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8030785497.html |
| 08:19.06 | zecke | lol |
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| 08:25.26 | Ifaistos | morning |
| 08:26.03 | RP | morning all |
| 08:26.54 | Ifaistos | RP : Morning. Found some free time and i am truing to sync owmnr to the latest OE |
| 08:27.25 | Ifaistos | RP: If nothing major comes up i will post the patches today and tommorow |
| 08:28.28 | RP | Ifaistos: Sounds good! :) |
| 08:30.58 | Ifaistos | guys i am thinking of seting up a "cluster" of 10-15 machines to increase compile speed at the office. I am trying to think if there is a way to make it availiable to OE developers also. Any ideas/thoughts ? |
| 08:31.44 | florian_kc | zecke: ehh... the most obvious thing is that they must have spent a huge amount of money in this architecture graphic. that one is in *every* qt/e related article... |
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| 08:40.28 | cyrilRomain | Ifaistos: even without making it available to the OE developers, such a cluster can be of great help to ensure a better OE quality, I mean spotting build regression - i.e. performing tests and doing clobber and 'from scratch' build of OE packages and distributions and to report the builds and tests status to tinderbox |
| 08:42.00 | cyrilRomain | unless someone think of a better use of such power ... |
| 08:42.52 | Ifaistos | i was thinking of setting up a Xen machine with accounts for the developers and from there they could have access to the build system |
| 08:43.06 | zecke | florian_kc: yes |
| 08:43.19 | zecke | florian_kc: but is it Qtopia(Core) not QtE |
| 08:43.40 | Ifaistos | i will be upgrading the dsl line to dsl2+ (24Mbits/3Mbits) so i think the bw will be there also |
| 08:44.05 | florian_kc | zecke: well... |
| 08:49.51 | cyrilRomain | Ifaistos: ok. so I guess a simple ssh access + rights to send report to tinderbox is enough :) |
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| 08:52.50 | Ifaistos | cyrilRomain: Yes something in this context. I am thinking of using 2.5Ghz Celerons with 1Gig Ram on each box. Any idea what distro would be better suited for such a task ? |
| 08:52.56 | CIA-9 | 03florian 07org.oe.oz354x * r27678a75... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gpe-conf: add 0.2.2 |
| 08:58.06 | cyrilRomain | Ifaistos: any distro can be used as soon as you can easily install the OE required software. I would use Debian or Gentoo though. |
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| 09:06.00 | cyrilRomain | Ifaistos: or if you feel it, you could create a Knoppix-based OE liveCD, so that you just have to burn 1 cd per machine (no install required) :) |
| 09:06.39 | cyrilRomain | i.e. a Knoppix liveCD with OE required software |
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| 09:07.44 | lrg | morning all |
| 09:08.05 | Ifaistos | i was thinking for making the machines netboot but it seems that it will effect the throuput if no local hd is present, and if you end up with a HD on every machine then no need to have a cd also |
| 09:08.10 | Ifaistos | morning |
| 09:08.42 | pb_ | hi lrg |
| 09:12.53 | florian_kc | hey lrg |
| 09:17.17 | RP | hi Liam |
| 09:17.30 | RP | lrg: I'ev not got around to doing the ASoC testing yet, sorry |
| 09:17.56 | lrg | RP: np |
| 09:18.34 | lrg | RP: I think we may have to set pop_time = 0 for corgi due to the board noise :( |
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| 09:23.32 | RP | lrg: I think that's looking like the likely result :-/ |
| 09:24.06 | lrg | RP: at least they fixed it in spitz :) |
| 09:24.15 | RP | lrg: yes :) |
| 09:24.49 | lrg | RP: Dell still cant fix board noise. Even my new PC is noisy when I move the mouse :( |
| 09:29.08 | zecke | mickey|thesis: ping |
| 09:29.14 | zecke | mickey|thesis: The greenphone is funny |
| 09:29.24 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 09:29.39 | zecke | mickey|thesis: TT advertises Qtopia with its Openness |
| 09:29.50 | RP | lrg: Built in sound cards never seem to work well for me :-/ |
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| 09:35.30 | zecke | ljp: Ship me a greenphone and I do not mean the PSD's :) |
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| 09:49.03 | katossi | is there any web repository for oe? |
| 09:50.19 | RP | katossi: See links on openembedded.org |
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| 09:55.41 | Ifaistos | zecke: Do you have any example of using the icecream.class ? |
| 09:57.04 | zecke | echo 'INHERIT += "icecc"' >> conf/local.conf |
| 09:57.18 | zecke | but I think it will fail to pack the toolchain together |
| 09:58.29 | RP | Scary thought for the day - if we have a set of identical machines, the multithreading code could run the tasks on different machines. There's some scary possibilities there |
| 09:59.41 | zecke | RP: Think of Xen |
| 09:59.47 | zecke | RP: then we all would have the same machine! |
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| 10:00.36 | RP | zecke: With a rootfs built by OE to build within? :) |
| 10:01.01 | zecke | and the next generation of man-kind will ask |
| 10:01.21 | zecke | "How did they solve the Chicken-Egg problem. One needs bitbake to create bitbake?" |
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| 10:01.54 | RP | zecke: and can it not go faster? :) |
| 10:02.01 | zecke | hehe |
| 10:02.20 | zecke | RP: bastard ;) |
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| 10:20.08 | katossi | zecke: thanks for the tip. I just came back from vacations and I'm blind |
| 10:20.20 | CIA-9 | 03pb 07org.oe.dev * r42a6f628... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_3.3.4.bb): gcc-cross-initial 3.3.4: clobber PACKAGES to avoid shlibs imbroglio |
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| 10:33.45 | Ifaistos | RP: I am trying to build bash-3.0 and it failed, while trying to figure out what is wrong i noticed that the bash-3.0-fixes patches where not applied because the bash-3-0/lib/intl source files are unpacked as read only... |
| 10:37.57 | Ifaistos | RP : -r--r--r-- 1 stelios stelios 1856 Dec 9 2003 dcgettext.c |
| 10:38.28 | Ifaistos | is there any other site except pastebin.com ? its TOO slow the last few days |
| 10:42.25 | Ifaistos | RP : http://pastebin.com/768873 |
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| 10:48.49 | cyrilRomain | Ifaistos: you can use http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 10:52.47 | Ifaistos | RP: I unpacked the tar file manualy and it seems that the problem is there. the lib/intl dir files are all set to readonly |
| 10:59.59 | RP | Ifaistos: You could add a task between unpack and patch which makes them all writeable? |
| 11:03.11 | Ifaistos | RP: Not sure how i should do it :( post_unpack () ? |
| 11:05.15 | RP | Ifaistos: Add a do_make_writeable() { chmod a+w somepath/* }, then "addtask mark_writeable before do_patch after do_unpack" |
| 11:05.22 | RP | s/mark/make/ |
| 11:08.56 | XorA | mornng |
| 11:14.18 | lrg | hey Graeme |
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| 11:14.31 | XorA | hey lrg |
| 11:21.18 | RP | hi XorA |
| 11:37.16 | Ifaistos | RP: I think the problem with the bash-3.0 is the way the patches were grouped together after my initial patch. |
| 11:37.56 | Ifaistos | RP: The initial "fixes" for bash-3.0 had a pnum=2 |
| 11:38.20 | Ifaistos | RP: While the other patch that causes the build failure has no pnum... |
| 11:38.36 | Ifaistos | RP: and these were grouped together |
| 11:40.00 | RP | Ifaistos: pnum should have no effect on whether the files are writeable? |
| 11:40.57 | Ifaistos | RP: I know but the funny thing is that the dir was not writable also before... but the patch worked... |
| 11:41.24 | RP | Ifaistos: You weren't running as root were you? |
| 11:41.57 | Ifaistos | RP: Nop i am using Ubuntu... so no root here ;) |
| 11:42.41 | RP | Ifaistos: Presumably quilt is clever enough to make the file writeable to apply the patch then? |
| 11:43.31 | Ifaistos | RP: Not sure i will try it again, using the original patches and see if it works or not |
| 11:44.01 | kergoth | RP: pretty sure it is clever enough indeed. sets it writable, then puts it back after applying the change |
| 11:44.31 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 11:44.35 | kergoth | hey |
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| 11:46.48 | RP | kergoth: I've seen quilt shoot itself in the foot before with file modes. Can't remember exactly what and I think a later version fixed it... |
| 11:47.11 | kergoth | heh, wouldnt surprise me, that area of it never seemed entirely polished |
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| 11:54.10 | sirfred | Hello. |
| 12:04.46 | RP | hi sirfred |
| 12:04.56 | sirfred | RP: Hello. |
| 12:05.25 | RP | sirfred: Did you have any further success with the alpha blending? |
| 12:05.25 | x29a | mr_nice_slacker1: with the bostmodified 2.4.x bootldr i could check my ram right? |
| 12:05.38 | sirfred | RP: Yes, I have it working. |
| 12:06.03 | sirfred | RP: At least with an 4BPP alpha plane. |
| 12:06.18 | sirfred | RP: And also with a global alpha value. |
| 12:06.55 | sirfred | RP: I'm now trying to do a StretchBlt of a surface in host memory, in YUV format to an overlay showing card surface. |
| 12:06.58 | RP | sirfred: excellent :) |
| 12:07.16 | sirfred | RP: Still some problems, because StretchBlt only support RGB surfaces. |
| 12:07.39 | sirfred | RP: But it seems that it can be done using two StretchBlt operations, one for the Y channel and other one for the UV channels. |
| 12:07.49 | sirfred | RP: Each one using 8BPP. |
| 12:08.16 | RP | sirfred: Interesting. That could start to give a good speed improvement for video playback :) |
| 12:08.21 | sirfred | RP: I want to setup an overlay + scale for YUV using the new library. |
| 12:08.30 | x29a | which library? |
| 12:08.41 | sirfred | x29a: I new one I'm developing. |
| 12:08.49 | x29a | im looking for a fast image processing library, not for oe tho |
| 12:08.49 | sirfred | x29a: A new one I'm developing. |
| 12:09.05 | x29a | sirfred: any publications yet? |
| 12:09.13 | RP | sirfred: You have the overlay working already? or you're using stretchbt to implement it? |
| 12:09.17 | sirfred | x29a: Still not, I'm thinking about it. |
| 12:09.25 | sirfred | RP: Overlay working. With RGB and YUV |
| 12:09.42 | sirfred | RP: Well, I've tested it with YUV422 and works fine. |
| 12:09.52 | sirfred | RP: Also with RGB565 |
| 12:09.58 | RP | so we can accelerate video playback :) |
| 12:09.59 | sirfred | RP: But there're some strange things. |
| 12:10.25 | sirfred | RP: When using RGB surfaces, overlay honours the video_portrait bit in VIDEO_CTRL |
| 12:11.13 | sirfred | RP: But I was not able to put it to work using YUV. So, we cannot rotate the surface using hardware. |
| 12:11.14 | RP | sirfred: You really seem to have an understanding of how the chip works now :) |
| 12:11.30 | sirfred | RP: Well, I've learned a little. :) |
| 12:11.49 | sirfred | RP: I'm thinking about giving the current library public access. |
| 12:12.05 | sirfred | RP: It's not using any microcode, neither any part directly copied from the reverse engineered work. |
| 12:12.28 | RP | sirfred: Sounds like it might be possible to release it then |
| 12:12.29 | sirfred | RP: Still a lot of work to do, of course. But perhaps some other people gets involved. |
| 12:12.38 | RP | Other interest would be good |
| 12:12.49 | XorA | w100? |
| 12:13.03 | RP | XorA: yes |
| 12:13.05 | sirfred | XorA: Yes, it's a library for the ATI IMAGEON 100 |
| 12:13.16 | XorA | Id be willing to look at mplayer |
| 12:13.37 | RP | sirfred: XorA watches video on his 760 ;-) |
| 12:13.38 | sirfred | RP: About the speed of the thing, I have some doubts. |
| 12:13.59 | sirfred | RP: I also would like to do so. |
| 12:14.18 | sirfred | RP: My idea is to setup an vidix driver for mplayer using this library. |
| 12:14.26 | RP | sirfred: Its only going to be a speed increase if we can use the main processor for other things whilst the w100 handles its tasks |
| 12:14.46 | sirfred | RP: At least YUV->RGB is going to be made in the GPU |
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| 12:15.21 | RP | sirfred: Which is a good bit of load to lose from the main processor... |
| 12:15.21 | sirfred | RP: Well, there is a problem with overlays in external memory. |
| 12:15.23 | XorA | sirfred: should be able to modify the exsting w100 driver away from libaticore |
| 12:15.41 | sirfred | XorA: That's the idea, to drop libaticore. |
| 12:16.04 | sirfred | XorA: What's the state of the aticore vidix driver? |
| 12:16.13 | XorA | sirfred: its not vidix anymore |
| 12:16.19 | sirfred | XorA: What's now? |
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| 12:16.46 | sirfred | RP: I don't know if you was aware of this problem, But when the surface is in external memory, overlay is not working fine. |
| 12:16.50 | XorA | sirfred: it just accesses it without X11/console |
| 12:17.15 | sirfred | XorA: Direct framebuffer access? Not using libaticore accelerated functions? |
| 12:17.38 | RP | sirfred: I wasn't. We can only fit QVGA in internal memory if I remember rightly... |
| 12:17.51 | sirfred | RP: That's right. |
| 12:18.05 | XorA | sirfred: no, it uses libaticore, but without any form of locking with the console or X11 |
| 12:18.29 | XorA | sirfred: does your library allow overlay bigger than 320x240? |
| 12:18.46 | sirfred | XorA: No. It's not working properly, as I'm telling to RP |
| 12:18.57 | RP | sirfred: If anything I would have thougth the opposite - external would work and internal wouldn;t :-/ |
| 12:19.02 | XorA | sirfred: ah right, I understand now |
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| 12:19.37 | sirfred | RP: Visually, the surface seems cutted in some horizontal lines, and some parts get repeated. |
| 12:19.50 | sirfred | RP: I remember this problem also from the tests with the libaticore. |
| 12:20.07 | sirfred | It seems some kind of timing problem, or something so. |
| 12:20.49 | RP | sirfred: I've also seen this when I experimented with half the framebuffer in internal memory and half external... |
| 12:21.10 | RP | I wonder if we could tweak the memory timings in anyway... |
| 12:21.14 | sirfred | RP: Perhaps we need some DISP_DEBUG bits to be set. |
| 12:21.42 | sirfred | RP: At least when using RGB surfaces, the original aticore code makes a lot of black magic with that register. |
| 12:21.54 | sirfred | Depending on the BPP, but it's not touched for YUV surfaces. |
| 12:22.05 | sirfred | RP: I need to experiment a lot more with this. |
| 12:22.26 | sirfred | RP: Also, I'm using a different approach for host->card copy. |
| 12:22.33 | RP | sirfred: I'm too out of touch to help with it :-( |
| 12:23.28 | sirfred | RP: I seen it in some RADEON driver. Instead of using the mmap zone, I'm using HOST_DATA0-HOST_DATA7 registers. It looks like some kind of bus master, because when I make some mistake, it's able to hung the zaurus. :) |
| 12:24.01 | sirfred | RP: But it seems no more fast than using the mmaped zone, at least in my first tests and with little surfaces. |
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| 12:24.26 | sirfred | RP: Well, your help and knowledge will be always welcomed |
| 12:24.41 | sirfred | RP: I have to leave now. Glad to talk with you again. |
| 12:24.51 | RP | sirfred: I'd expect it to come down to the memory timings so its probably the same speed |
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| 12:25.09 | RP | sirfred: Its nice to see its still moving forwards! :) |
| 12:25.14 | sirfred | RP: Yes, it looks the speed is the same. |
| 12:25.27 | Cwiiis | Anyone know what those screenshots fuchs posted up with screencap were from? |
| 12:25.34 | sirfred | RP: I think we could have something usable in little time. |
| 12:25.51 | RP | sirfred: That is nice to hear :) |
| 12:26.04 | Cwiiis | ( http://handhelds.org/scap/land.16428.png ) (there were better ones than this too) |
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| 12:33.59 | Cobelius | I can't use glibc 2.4 |
| 12:34.14 | Cobelius | bitbake says that it don't find this version |
| 12:34.23 | Cobelius | but the .bb file exists |
| 12:34.46 | Kristoffer | Cobelius: its a bug |
| 12:34.52 | Kristoffer | Cobelius: for intermediate right? |
| 12:35.11 | Cobelius | intermediate? |
| 12:35.40 | florian_kc | Cwiiis: Its a small software study here... will be public soon i hope. |
| 12:36.01 | Cwiiis | florian_kc: Cool, I hope so :) |
| 12:36.27 | Cobelius | I want that glibc 2.4 is used in my image |
| 12:36.41 | Cobelius | but is uses 2.3.5+cvs |
| 12:36.42 | florian_kc | Cwiiis: its not rocket science... just plain gtk with some nice pixmaps :-) |
| 12:37.03 | florian_kc | okay, the panel might be a nice toy |
| 12:37.30 | Cwiiis | florian_kc: Would be nice to have a mobile-phone like API for that sort of interface too, if that doesn't provide one |
| 12:38.39 | florian_kc | Cwiiis: yes indeed... we have quite some good stuff to do this but its quite some work to create a complete framework. |
| 12:38.50 | Kristoffer | Cobelius: try and adding PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/yourarch-libc-for-gcc = "glibc-intermediate" |
| 12:39.13 | Kristoffer | in my case thats PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/sh3-linux-libc-for-gcc = "glibc-intermediate" |
| 12:39.43 | Cwiiis | florian_kc: Good to know someone's working on it though, we need something to compete with http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8030785497.html :) |
| 12:40.17 | zecke | Cwiiis: we have the Gimp already. It competes pretty good with photoshop |
| 12:40.18 | nchip | Cwiiis: well that still needs to turn into reality |
| 12:40.30 | Cobelius | okay I'll try |
| 12:40.51 | florian_kc | Cwiiis: We get is sponsored by tt, paint it blue install GPE ;) |
| 12:41.23 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 12:41.27 | nchip | "However, the company has promised to make the phone available at a reasonable cost to all Qtopia licensees" |
| 12:41.33 | Cobelius | what is the differece ob glibc and glibc-intermediate? |
| 12:44.21 | zecke | florian_kc: I don't think the BOM is too expensive on this phone |
| 12:55.43 | ljp | zecke: the Greenphone will be more open than any other phone |
| 12:57.05 | zecke | ljp: hey |
| 12:57.08 | zecke | ljp: how are you? |
| 12:57.53 | zecke | ljp: more open than the universal device? |
| 12:58.04 | zecke | ljp: including hardware semantics and datasheats? |
| 12:59.50 | ljp | i would not call the universal open |
| 13:03.59 | zecke | ljp: hehe, you can flash it |
| 13:04.22 | ljp | perhaps, but the manufacturer does not support that |
| 13:04.36 | CIA-9 | 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rf31bfd26... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-app/xterm_207.bb): |
| 13:04.36 | CIA-9 | packages/xorg-app/xterm_207.bb: Addition of DEPEND LibXaw |
| 13:04.36 | CIA-9 | * Xterm requires LibXaw as depend. Added. |
| 13:05.14 | ljp | simply because someone hacked linux onto it does not mean its open |
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| 13:10.19 | zecke | ljp: well :) |
| 13:10.55 | chouimat | hi ljp |
| 13:14.28 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 13:18.34 | ljp | hey chouimat |
| 13:19.11 | zecke | ljp: I wish you good luck with pre production and delivering the devices |
| 13:20.47 | ljp | thanks |
| 13:21.34 | pb_ | hi ljp |
| 13:21.53 | zecke | ljp: this also means you will release Qtopia Phone as GPL (compatible) in September? |
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| 13:24.21 | Crofton | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060815/tc_nm/telecoms_mobile_reprogrammable_dc_1 |
| 13:24.22 | Crofton | ? |
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| 13:59.10 | hrw | morning |
| 13:59.21 | lrg | hey Marcin |
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| 14:01.56 | hrw | it was --author commit |
| 14:03.19 | hrw | RP, do13, lrg, mickey|thesis: what do you think about 'metabug: Linux 2.6 kernel for Zaurus' in OE bugzilla? Or component for it? or other solution to track 2.6/Z bugs |
| 14:06.02 | katossi | a question: what pda/smartphone/mobile device would you choose for a project where java, location awareness (e.g. gps) and camera is needed? |
| 14:06.05 | XorA | hey hrw |
| 14:06.50 | hrw | katossi: I'm thinking about getting Sagem My-700X as my next phone |
| 14:07.13 | RP | hrw: It would mean I could find them easier. It might be an idea to have an OZ 2.6 kernel component |
| 14:07.54 | hrw | RP: metabug give as also dependency tree |
| 14:07.59 | katossi | hrw: but small screen and no gps |
| 14:08.36 | katossi | any experiences with the motorolas? |
| 14:08.50 | hrw | katossi: had L6, V3 in hands - both suxx |
| 14:08.56 | pb_ | lrg: is Markku back in the office now? I haven't heard anything from him lately. |
| 14:09.07 | katossi | hrw: no I mean the a180 |
| 14:10.08 | lrg | pb_: yep he should be. Although, I'm working from home today and he probably has a full inbox after his hols. It's probably worth giving him a ping again. |
| 14:10.19 | pb_ | righto, thanks |
| 14:17.35 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: You mean A780 |
| 14:17.55 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: yes, I forgot the precise model name |
| 14:18.50 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: I've one. But never played with the java stuff on it. |
| 14:19.11 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: is the camera running? |
| 14:19.41 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: With java? I think so. |
| 14:20.31 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: Not sure about gps and java, but you can get the gps information through the linux system. :) |
| 14:20.59 | katossi | but does it have a built in gps? |
| 14:21.53 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: yes |
| 14:22.11 | katossi | and is it recognized? |
| 14:23.07 | katossi | if I had something to read from under /dev/ i'd be great |
| 14:23.53 | hrw | I see some nice changes in .dev to add into .oz354x |
| 14:24.01 | Kristoffer | anyone aware of the "udev needs hotplug, not started" message? |
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| 14:24.07 | Kristoffer | thought that udev would supply hotplug |
| 14:25.54 | hrw | how old udev you are using? |
| 14:26.11 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: I see no gps in the a780 specs |
| 14:26.31 | Kristoffer | hrw: 0.92 |
| 14:26.34 | Kristoffer | latest |
| 14:26.36 | hrw | katossi: iirc there was 2 versions of a780 - with or without gps |
| 14:26.42 | hrw | Kristoffer: should work without |
| 14:26.48 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: Of course it is recognized from the official linux system. I've a code snippet around to dump the gps info. moment |
| 14:26.54 | katossi | aha, anyone could tell me the price of a a780 in germany? |
| 14:27.01 | Kristoffer | hrw: hmm, thats what I thought. Just weird why it doesnt.. |
| 14:27.03 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: Only the european models have gps. |
| 14:27.20 | hrw | katossi: it is not manufactured anymore;( |
| 14:27.20 | katossi | nice |
| 14:27.35 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: http://wiki.openezx.org/A780#GPS |
| 14:27.36 | katossi | too bad |
| 14:27.50 | katossi | any replacement for that? new model or something? |
| 14:27.52 | Kristoffer | koen|away: Thinking about buying a zaurus, whats good to buy? Want one with keyboard |
| 14:27.57 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: A780 is out of sale. |
| 14:28.21 | hrw | Kristoffer: sl-c1000 or sl-c3200 |
| 14:28.32 | hrw | Kristoffer: 3200 has 6G microdrive |
| 14:28.50 | Kristoffer | hrw: ah, goodie. do they got wifi btw? or do I need CF card for it? |
| 14:28.53 | katossi | what did they sell the a780 for such short time? |
| 14:29.06 | hrw | Kristoffer: both lack any wireless other then irda |
| 14:29.23 | Kristoffer | hrw: oki |
| 14:29.47 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: They sold it some time before in asia |
| 14:30.11 | nchip | umm, nokia 770 + bluetooth gps module ? |
| 14:30.15 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: damn, that that everything I wanted |
| 14:30.46 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: http://people.openezx.org/stefan/tmp/gpsdump/ |
| 14:30.46 | katossi | nchip: that's an option, but a built in bt woul be nicer |
| 14:31.06 | nchip | katossi: it has built in bt |
| 14:31.21 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: the imcosys phone has built in gps, too. |
| 14:31.23 | katossi | nchip: sorry I means built in gps |
| 14:31.37 | katossi | gps and camera are a must |
| 14:31.46 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: imcosys? |
| 14:32.22 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: http://www.imcosys.com/ Another linux smartphone. |
| 14:32.24 | nchip | moto a780 still seems available |
| 14:32.53 | stefan_schmidt | nchip: Yes, sometimes still in stock |
| 14:33.29 | katossi | hey loks good |
| 14:33.45 | katossi | any success with oe and the imcosys? |
| 14:34.11 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: I don't know if they already started to ship it. |
| 14:34.14 | katossi | wow, it has even wifi! |
| 14:34.54 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: They don't released any code or doc yet. |
| 14:35.13 | woglinde | I think it will be a case for harald |
| 14:35.54 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: but did anyone contacted them? |
| 14:36.12 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: Yes, perhaps. Last time i talked about this phone to him, he planned to buy one. |
| 14:36.24 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: Yes. |
| 14:36.38 | katossi | there are no prices on the website |
| 14:37.08 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: They don't sell on their one. |
| 14:37.13 | katossi | ok I found it for 250 in germany |
| 14:37.18 | katossi | 350 |
| 14:37.20 | katossi | not bad |
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| 14:38.25 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: thanks for the info and help |
| 14:38.37 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: np |
| 14:38.40 | katossi | I've got to go home |
| 14:38.46 | katossi | see you all |
| 14:38.49 | woglinde | bye katossi |
| 14:38.51 | stefan_schmidt | katossi: http://www.schellens.de/smartphone.php Read the fourth FAQ entry. |
| 14:38.55 | woglinde | hm only 200 mhz |
| 14:39.01 | stefan_schmidt | bye katossi |
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| 14:39.27 | woglinde | Es handelt sich um ein geschlossenes (keine GPL) Embedded Linux |
| 14:39.28 | woglinde | hahah |
| 14:40.24 | nchip | idiots |
| 14:40.37 | woglinde | poor astrid |
| 14:40.39 | katossi | stefan_schmidt: " (keine GPL) Embedded Linux" ? why? |
| 14:40.48 | katossi | anyway see you and thx again |
| 14:41.08 | woglinde | I bet she isnt really reasonable for this |
| 14:41.12 | woglinde | they told her this crap |
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| 14:41.47 | CIA-9 | aspell-native_0.50.5.bb : add native that is required by aspell language packs |
| 14:41.47 | CIA-9 | applied changes from 70d230573c9b9cecb6616046b4c5b24e2c5ad07f |
| 14:41.47 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.07 | nchip | woglinde: ask them where they got the "keine GPL" Linux |
| 14:42.27 | nchip | presumably from some cheap-ass company |
| 14:42.50 | stefan_schmidt | A friend of mine was at the cebit and talked to imcosys about code. They told him, they changed anything in the linux kernel and don't have to release any code. We will see. |
| 14:43.01 | woglinde | lol |
| 14:44.06 | stefan_schmidt | I'm not sure they understand the difference between the used GPL software and their own written software. |
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| 14:51.59 | CIA-9 | python-pysqlite2 2.2.2: add python-datetime to RDEPENDS |
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| 14:55.16 | Kristoffer | anyone trying out konqueror? using the 20060404 version, but when I start it it just gives me a misformed tiny window |
| 14:55.28 | Kristoffer | hrw: what version did you say worked best? |
| 14:55.55 | Kristoffer | du -h |
| 14:56.25 | Kristoffer | doh |
| 14:56.52 | zecke | RP: I'm doing the releases now |
| 14:57.55 | poushag | there was another linux phone released to market recently in asia i think - an orange one |
| 14:58.11 | hrw | Kristoffer: I use 084 in oz 354 |
| 14:58.12 | poushag | anybody seen that? i might be able to dig up a link |
| 14:58.22 | poushag | if noone else has it handy |
| 14:59.41 | Kristoffer | hrw: and that didnt need hotplug other than that udev supplied? |
| 14:59.44 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 15:00.01 | hrw | Kristoffer: have to check it |
| 15:00.58 | stefan_schmidt | poushag: I don't heard of it yet. |
| 15:01.24 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 15:01.31 | reenoo | afternoon all |
| 15:02.18 | hrw | Kristoffer: hm. my rootfs has linnux-hotplug and udev 084 so cant help |
| 15:02.31 | Kristoffer | hrw: oki, thx anyways |
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| 15:03.13 | CIA-9 | 03zecke123 07bitbake-1.4 * r565 10/ (ChangeLog bin/bitbake lib/bb/__init__.py): bitbake-1.4/bin/bitbake: Assign release number 1.4.4 |
| 15:03.53 | Kristoffer | zecke: new bitbake release coming up? |
| 15:04.08 | zecke | Kristoffer: well, no |
| 15:04.15 | zecke | Kristoffer: it is just to release this obsolete stuff |
| 15:04.37 | Kristoffer | okidoki |
| 15:04.47 | zecke | Kristoffer: RP has a radical rework of the task handling |
| 15:04.56 | zecke | Kristoffer: and we want to ship enough stable versions |
| 15:05.17 | Kristoffer | zecke: ah, understand. Btw, im using 1.5.0 any reason to update in the near future? |
| 15:05.30 | zecke | Kristoffer: You should not be using 1.5.0 |
| 15:05.37 | zecke | you might want to upgrade to 1.6.0 then |
| 15:05.44 | Kristoffer | zecke: so everyone keeps telling me, but it works well |
| 15:06.01 | zecke | Kristoffer: it might not work tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow |
| 15:06.20 | zecke | Kristoffer: as we will do a check in that breaks everything and we will be busy until the next month to fix it up |
| 15:06.39 | Kristoffer | zecke: aha :) eek. Oki, will update to 1.6.0 when its out then |
| 15:06.46 | poushag | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2220873893.html - this isnthte one i mentioned earlier but looks interesting |
| 15:08.49 | Kristoffer | zecke: btw, you said that you are working on the parse section, would that mean any increases in speed? |
| 15:09.44 | hvontres|poodle | mickey|thesis: Do you have any thoughts on improving dependency tracking in the python packages? |
| 15:10.27 | hvontres|poodle | mickey|thesis: I was trying to get idle to work last night, and I would install a package, try and then figure out what else was missing from the error messages. |
| 15:11.40 | zecke | Kristoffer: well this means SIGSEGV and new errors :) |
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| 15:13.06 | hvontres|poodle | mickey|thesis: I was thinking that maybe OE could parse the python files and dynamicly updatae the RDEPENDS or something along those lises. That might also help with releasing python apps later. |
| 15:13.19 | Kristoffer | zecke: you dont think you are going abit microsoftish there? :D |
| 15:14.08 | zecke | Kristoffer: it currently segfaults |
| 15:16.32 | CIA-9 | 03zecke123 * r566 10bitbake/ (ChangeLog bin/bitbake lib/bb/__init__.py): bitbake: Assign release number 1.6.0 to the trunk and update the ChangeLog |
| 15:17.37 | mr_nice_slacker1 | which is the recommended version of python for oe? |
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| 22:35.26 | *** topic/#oe is OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | BitBake 1.4.2 has been released - only use HEAD if you are developing it | this is still not a distribution support channel | www.openembedded.org | Bugtracker: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ | Metadata: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/ |
| 22:36.17 | RP | poushag: bitbake hacking is done in my limited free time which has several competing demands. months might therefore be realistic. We'll see... |
| 22:36.26 | RP | I've been planning to do it for years :-/ |
| 22:36.39 | poushag | do you blog about it? or otherwise announce progress other than in here? |
| 22:37.09 | RP | oe@ usually hears about it as does/should the bitbake mailing list |
| 22:37.27 | poushag | rp i grok you - with the 3 little ones in my house i have the same constraints |
| 22:37.55 | poushag | alright - thx for the contributions - bbl (dinner time) |
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| 23:09.33 | reenoo | mreimer: hi! which lab did you want me to include? |
| 23:21.19 | mreimer | hi reenoo. I haven't had a chance to get LAB building in OE yet, so until I do, use the latest version 20060421 in handhelds.org/~mreimer |
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| 23:28.53 | ggilbert | must resist urge to build an image for my treo |
| 23:29.11 | reenoo | mreimer: source code? build instructions? linux is gpl... |
| 23:29.50 | mreimer | reenoo: the config file is there. it's just a kernel. the .bb worked at one point, and may still |
| 23:30.03 | mreimer | reenoo: http://handhelds.org/~mreimer/zImage-LAB-20060421.config |
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| 23:31.53 | reenoo | mreimer: ah, ok. could you upload a tarball of the sources you used anyway? |
| 23:33.44 | mreimer | reenoo: I don't have the exact sources that I used to build that binary, because I've cvs up'd a few times since then. |
| 23:33.58 | mreimer | reenoo: the bb files are in .dev under packages/linux/LAB* |
| 23:34.01 | mreimer | I'll try building |
| 23:35.47 | reenoo | mreimer: ok, thanks |
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