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07:39.34koengood morning all
07:40.25RPmorning all
07:43.35Genesismorning
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08:16.08XorAmorning
08:20.50hrw|workhi XorA
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08:26.02ballehi
08:28.24hrw|workterrier?
08:28.31hrw|workdoes it bites?
08:28.32XorAhrw|work: yup
08:28.39XorAhrw|work: only in japanese
08:29.46leoncamelhey. morning.
08:31.18koenXorA: haven't you flashed it yet?
08:31.49XorAkoen: needed to find japanese to uk power adapter
08:32.12hrw|workXorA: use other-zaurus power
08:32.19hrw|workXorA: or ipaq charger
08:32.22koenor ipaq-power
08:33.23XorAhrw|work: I got japanese to uk adapter
08:33.31XorAhrw|work: all other Z's here are USA ones
08:33.49hrw|workbad luck
08:33.51XorAkoen: official Ipaq ones are too narrow for Z
08:34.08koenworks with my c700 :)
08:34.28XorAkoen: I tried 5550 and 3630 and they didnt fit my c7x0
08:35.07hrw|workI have sharp original 220V one, noname ipaq one, one universal Delta for Z, one US Delta for Z
08:36.47koenXorA: I bet lrg is happy to have a cxxxx 'available' for testing as well
08:37.12XorAkoen: he not here yet
08:37.26XorAkoen: but that gives us 5600 6000 c7x0 cxx00
08:38.00XorAsound support should be solid when we get cracking
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08:39.26hrw|workXorA: only 5500 is lacking
08:39.36XorAhrw|work: does that have a wm chip?
08:40.00blaster8Every come across a RUNSTRIP error?
08:40.19blaster8Or indeed, any easy way of turning the STRIP process off (part of packaging)
08:40.54hrw|workXorA: nope.
08:41.06hrw|workblaster8: read local.conf.sample
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08:41.34blaster8I've read it, but I use NSLU2-Linux
08:41.52koenXorA: right noy cky is blasting out of another WM chip over here :)
08:41.55blaster8got it
08:41.56koen(ipod)
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08:49.05likewiseIn foobar-image.bb, for what packages would I use DEPEND (build dep) and when RDEPEND (run dep)?
08:50.36koenlikewise: since an image is runtime you only need RDEPENDS
08:51.21likewisekoen: and iff any DEPENDs are there, they are *native, required to build the image?
08:51.58likewisekoen: good morning and thanks for the zen-less approach this morning :-)
08:52.01koenyes
08:52.04koen:)
08:53.01koenDEPENDS in foo-image.bb are usually only for do-funky-stuff-for-dumbass-bootloader operations
08:53.35likewiseQ2: also, sometimes I see += " bla" and sometimes I see += "bla"  in the .bb and docs. (note the space before bla). Will += introduce a space?
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08:58.47gumzIMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar" > does the jffs2 and tar are valid bootable system ?
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09:03.34koenlikewise: += introduces a space, _append does not
09:04.24koenI sometimes to += " foo " to make catch people _append'ing without a leading space
09:04.29koens/to/do/
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09:11.12florian_kcgood morning
09:11.30hrw|workhi florian_kc
09:11.44XorAhey florian_kc
09:11.53XorAwell oz3.5.4.1 installed
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09:15.29blaster8what variable should I use to cross compile a simple package (not autotools, just source code)?
09:15.35blaster8${CC}?
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09:25.35mickeylmorninig
09:25.38mickeylmorning, as well
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09:27.45RPblaster8: that should work, yes
09:27.54RPmorning mickeyl
09:29.15hrw|workhi mickeyl RP mithro Tom
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09:29.57gumzIMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar" > this create a bootable system ?
09:30.49hrw|workyes
09:31.10koenif you board can boot jffs2 or tar files
09:31.18koenmy workstation can't :)
09:31.33gumzthere are a command to create jffs2 and tar files ?
09:31.35leoncamel~irclog
09:31.40iboti guess irclog is apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"
09:32.29koenhttp://ibot.rikers.org/stats/oe.html.gz
09:32.36koencosmicpenguin has a nice quote there
09:33.10hrw|workI rule with 126+81
09:35.24gumzhumm .. so its no :)
09:36.18mickeylyo hrw|work
09:36.23mickeylcheers mithro_, how are things?
09:37.09XorAhey mickeyl
09:37.55rob_wcan i hack bitbake in order to just display me the gcc compile messages so i see my warnings ??
09:38.18koenrob_w: bitbake blah -D -D -D ?
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09:40.29koenhttp://lickwid.net/~tlp/images/youMeanGNU.jpg
09:40.32lrgmorning all
09:40.41RPhi Liam
09:40.49koenhey lrg
09:41.20rob_wkoen, yeah that gives me DEBUG for all task`s but i would love to only see the gcc compile and link stuff
09:42.00CIA-903xora 07org.oe.dev * rb4422f8e... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus-native_0.92.bb): dbus-native_0.92.bb : add libxml2-native and expat-native to DEPENDS
09:46.55gumzplz how i can generate jffs2 and tar ? there are a special command or there are somthing missing in my conf ? (and there are nothing about that in the wiki gettingstarted)
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09:54.18hrw|workgumz: set IMAGE_FSTYPES and then bitbake bootstrap-image
09:54.27hrw|workgumz: ALL needed stuff will get build
09:54.36hrw|workXorA: dbus 0.93 released
09:55.50gumzthanks!
09:57.16hrw|workrob_w: all logs are in WORKDIR/temp/
09:57.43XorAhrw|work: Im sticking well clear of dbus
09:57.47rob_wok,, so i could grep through them
10:01.59gumzomg... openzaurus.org ... 274b/s ... :)
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10:27.37koenzecke: the tinderbox is up again
10:28.29zeckeon which machine and why?
10:28.47koenewi546 and because the move has been completed
10:29.10zeckewhich move? I thought you lost the machine completely?
10:29.16mickeylhi zecke
10:29.21mickeyllong time no see
10:29.25mickeylzecke: how was aKademy?
10:29.32zeckemickeyl: I'm still there ;)
10:29.35koenzecke: that's still in the queue, but they had to move it to a new location first
10:29.36mickeylah
10:29.48zeckekoen: ah okay
10:29.51suihkulokki~lart linuxdevices.com for comparing qemu with nslu2
10:31.00blaster8when used on one of the fastest PCs you can buy, it outperforms a $50 gadget
10:31.03blaster8wow
10:31.54koena 4 ghz pc can outperfrom a 133MHz arm chip
10:33.36zeckekoen: wow 8ghz might outperform a 166mhz chip
10:33.48koen:)
10:34.00zeckeand it wastes so much more power as well
10:34.10zeckethat makes it fit perfectly for debian :)
10:34.21blaster8in fact, why do we bother with out silly embedded devices at all
10:34.39blaster8we should just drag around full size PCs and emulate their functionality
10:36.10zeckehehe, actually I have hooked up people with qemu arm as well
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10:36.25zeckebut just because it is the 'cheapest' ARM you can by and just works
10:36.31zeckeby/buy/
10:37.03zeckemickeyl: I think my talk was okay, it is even covered in one german linux online publication but I'm too shy to read it
10:37.19zeckemickeyl: I will give a small lightning talk about poky+X+display migration this evening
10:37.26zeckemickeyl: and ATM I'm playing with GCov
10:37.50mickeylcool!
10:37.53zeckeouch BenQ is going out of business
10:37.58mickeyl*nod*
10:37.59mickeylbummer
10:38.08RPIf I run "mount -a" several times on device, I end up with several /var mounts :-(
10:38.48mickeylsame here on my desktop
10:38.57psokolovskyHi!
10:39.08psokolovskymickeyl, Did you have a look http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443 ?
10:39.12RPmickeyl: My desktop doesn't do that...
10:39.52psokolovskymickeyl, glibc breakage after your last update of it...
10:40.54mickeylpsokolovsky: that's disgusting. without the patches, it doesn't build on x86. let's make it _x86 for now
10:40.59mickeylcan you do it?
10:41.12mickeylSRC_URI_x86 += , that is
10:41.27psokolovskymickeyl: ok, will do in couple of hours. thanks
10:41.36mickeylnp, sorry 'bout that.
10:42.05psokolovskynp
10:43.04lrgzecke: do you have url ?
10:43.35zeckelrg: about BenQ?
10:43.43lrgzecke: yes
10:43.57zeckelrg: online www.heise.de which is sadly german. But these are two lines
10:44.31lrgzecke: thanks.
10:45.38zeckelrg: The german BenQ Mobile GmbH is likely to declare bankruptcy. The german headquarter and german manufacturing are likely to go out of business
10:45.52zeckemickeyl: I fear we can't have launch at the place I wanted to go :}
10:46.04lrgzecke: ah
10:47.40mickeylzecke: heh. too bad. does that have any negative consequences for your friends?
10:48.18zeckemickeyl: I don't know, I really don't know
10:48.33koenzecke: do you have a link to that article about your presentation?
10:49.11zeckekoen: http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=20941 I didn't read that, so If if blew up just rephrase it nicely :)
10:54.22koenhttp://static.kdenews.org/jr/akademy-2006-group-photo.html
10:54.30koensearch for 'Hoger' :)
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10:54.39zeckehaha
10:59.41ade|deskah, thus proving that KDE people shoukd be kept in dark rooms ;)
10:59.47ade|deskshould
10:59.50zeckeman that with BenQ sucks badly, I will get myself a Guinnes or two now
10:59.57zeckeade|desk: thanks
11:00.01ade|desk:)
11:00.07ade|deskguinness
11:00.12ade|deskhmmmm
11:00.14ade|desknice
11:02.53ade|deskzecke: where are you in the photo
11:03.04zecke"Hoger" even If I'm Holger
11:08.27mickeyldo that.
11:08.32mickeyl(guiness)
11:08.40mickeylcan't wait until thursday
11:08.42mickeyl:D
11:08.50koendouble n, double s
11:08.57mickeylright
11:09.00mickeyl~spell guinness
11:09.06CIA-903pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rb3b16abc... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc_2.4.bb):
11:09.06CIA-9glibc 2.4: Apply recently added patches only fo x86.
11:09.07CIA-9* Fixes breakage on ARM.
11:09.07CIA-9* Don't bump PR (previous commit neither did), to save long rebuilds.
11:09.07CIA-9Few people affected should use "bitbake glibc -c rebuild".
11:09.07CIA-9* Fixes #1443.
11:09.09CIA-9* Approved by Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt de>.
11:09.36mickeylthanks psokolovsky
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11:31.02zeckehmm i can't remember if I took my drugs today
11:33.45hrw|work~kill phpbb
11:33.51ibotACTION shoots a magneto-ionized meson gun at phpbb
11:36.08XorApoor phorums
11:37.56hrw|workXorA: we have one nonprofit website. they have phpbb forum with some weird hackset applied
11:38.06hrw|worknow they want fixes, changes etc..
11:38.09hrw|workofcourse free
11:38.18XorAhrw|work: thats the free software way
11:38.31hrw|workXorA: I do not work in foss company
11:46.02RPmickeyl: Were the sysvinit /proc/progress changes added by you for elpp?
11:46.45mickeylRP: yes.
11:47.28RPmickeyl: What are the current thoughts on elpp? Are we likely to go back to it?
11:47.49blaster8pfalcon: ping
11:47.59blaster8http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=b3b16abcf910c9b1e8e145776848c3272f9d2f6b
11:48.12psokolovskyblaster8, pong
11:48.13blaster8did you forget to add the patches to the workspace?
11:48.40blaster8see URL
11:48.54psokolovskyblaster8, I only moved patch references around
11:49.03koenhrm
11:49.10hrw|workRP: I would dump it - there are userspace splash solutions
11:49.12koenpsokolovsky: x86 isn't the only x86 machine around :(
11:49.38psokolovskyblaster8, patches where there since previous commit
11:49.48blaster8ok, sorry to fuss
11:49.54psokolovskyblaster8, so what's exact issue?
11:50.54blaster8none, it's ok :)
11:50.59psokolovskykoen, was suggested by Mickey. My aim was to fix build for arm. Anyone knowing better should improve that fix ;-)
11:51.04psokolovskyok
11:52.10koensomeone mentioned a fixed version of the patches on irc or the mailinglist
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11:52.40mickeylRP: definitly not. our plan should be going to initramfs or another user space solution. i wouldn't support any kernel based solutions any more. for now we could yank all /proc/process traces
11:53.44RPmickeyl: ok, thanks. It might not hit .dev immediately but things are moving on that front in poky and .dev might want to copy at some point :). I'll just remove that code,
11:58.00CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r78ec2315... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): slugos-init: improve module loading at boot
11:58.06CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r442cdb37... 10/ (1 packages/tcpdump/tcpdump_3.9.3.bb): tcpdump: tcpdump is compiled without crypto, so remove openssl RDEPENDS
11:58.18CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * rba21e3a1... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
11:58.18CIA-9mii-diag: add new package
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11:59.13gumzthis is not possible to have a TAR of whole system ? other than all .tar.gz ? (yes i abuse :p)
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12:02.33mickeylRP: excellent. thanks
12:02.33leoncamelmorning ~!
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12:06.46hrw|workgumz: tar as 'non-compressed tar'?
12:07.39hrw|workgumz: it is not possible. 'tar' type was tar.gz in past and we left it as is
12:09.27Croftonbother
12:09.36Croftonbusybox build dies on me last night
12:09.51Croftonarm-linux-gcc: Internal error: Killed (program cc1)
12:09.51CroftonPlease submit a full bug report.
12:10.45zeckemickeyl: >>> os.path.join("data/kdelibs", "/CMakeTmp/cmTryCompileExec")
12:10.46zecke'/CMakeTmp/cmTryCompileExec'
12:10.49zeckeis that a bug?
12:11.36mickeylno
12:11.49mickeylos.path.join expects a sequence, doesn't it?
12:11.53koenCrofton: looks like OOM
12:12.35gumzhrw|work: i mean all files of rootfs in 1 tar.gz, actually all package are separed...
12:12.43mickeylzecke: hmm, wait
12:13.04Croftonkoen, very likely
12:13.18koenCrofton: no swap present on that box?
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12:13.32Crofton-/+ buffers/cache:     318844     125912
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12:13.58mickeylzecke: either it is a bug or it's illegal using path separators within arguments to os.path.join
12:14.23hrw|workgumz: build image and look into tmp/deploy/images/
12:14.26mickeyl2nd argument is not allowed to start with /, then it works
12:16.22gumzhrw|work: i juste have the jffs2 file in images
12:20.20hrw|workgumz: IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar.gz" set and rebuild bootstrap-image
12:23.04gumzhrw|work: thanks i try now ... BTW, mysql are working now on my gumstix .. OE OWNZ! :) YOU ALL rules... i'm happy to have OE, and finally, its work ! :)
12:23.29XorA~hail oe
12:23.32ibotACTION bows down to oe and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
12:27.11Croftonanyone have any bright ideas how to build busybox on a machine with "limited" ram?
12:27.26blaster8more RAM?
12:27.29blaster8:p
12:27.34Croftonheh
12:27.36blaster8more swap?
12:27.42Croftonwell
12:27.48CroftonI though abut more swap
12:28.04Croftonbut the svn server slows to a crawl during the build
12:28.20gumzi use swap on CF card when i need more ram ...
12:28.30CroftonI just find it amusing that a key package for an embedded system has such compile requirements
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12:34.05gumzhrw|work: always just JFFS2 file.. but its ok, i just have to make a little script who ungzip all files, and make all in one
12:35.46zeckeCrofton: XIP?
12:37.09Crofton~xip
12:37.19ibotit has been said that xip is pretty sweet though - since the stuff is already in "rom". or eXecute In Placem which is no good for a compressed r/w FS in ROM
12:37.19Crofton?
12:38.01CroftonSo busybox is compiles to xip?
12:38.21zeckeCrofton: I don't know how it works nowadays. On Agenda Vr3 you had a special kernel
12:38.31zeckeCrofton: and abused the sticky bit on executables to XIP
12:44.41XorAspitz machines dont charge from usb?
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13:02.45kerwoodXorA: correct, AFAIK spitz machines only charge from their DC-IN port
13:03.33kerwoodXorA: it makes sense, since the USB intf is on-the-go
13:04.42kerwoodXorA: at any rate, I'm delighted at the news of your new acquisition :)
13:09.23XorAkerwood: that sucks, +5v readilly available and I have to lug around a power brick as well
13:12.24kerwoodXorA: well, a few moments with a soldering iron, an old USB cable, and a matching power connector should simplify that, eh?
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13:25.05XorAkerwood: :-D
13:31.23bigd0ghi Crofton  :)
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13:32.45Croftonhi bigd0g
13:33.06Croftonwe have fixed the kernel build for the OSK to track with improvements in git
13:33.13Croftonof course I haven't been able to test ...
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13:33.34bigd0g<- test dummy  ;)
13:33.52bigd0gi've been busy developing software we needed for our project
13:33.57bigd0gso the board's been on a back burner
13:34.00Croftonthat sounds important :)
13:34.04bigd0gbut... i'm ready to go back to playing with it
13:34.07Croftoncool
13:34.37CroftonI am finsihing some papers, I was hoping to check the images, but my busybox build died for lack of memeory
13:34.50Croftonhrw has also been helping with machine and distro issues
13:34.51bigd0gouch
13:35.08Croftonapparently I can project management with emacs
13:35.10bigd0gexcellent, excellent.  i really appreciate the updates you guys have put into the omap
13:35.33Croftonthe kernel is builfing of cutrent git atm
13:35.45Croftonsince the dspgw updates are only there
13:36.07bigd0gi see
13:36.24Croftonyou need the dspgw?
13:36.34ade|deskcut rent git, sounds the opposite to me ;)
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13:37.05bigd0gnah, i'm not using the dsp
13:37.13bigd0g...so won't be needing the dspgw
13:37.18Croftongood
13:37.25CroftonI need to make it work at soe point
13:37.45bigd0gthe board is actually more powerful than what we need.  but it was the cheapest dev board available
13:38.08bigd0git's just a proof-of-concept design, anyway.  minimization can be for another dev team  ;)
13:38.10Croftoncool
13:38.24bigd0grandom question:
13:38.39bigd0gdo you know where i can get the driver for the lcd controller on the osk ?
13:39.19Croftonit is in the kernel
13:39.34Croftonone upon a time I made opie work on the osk
13:40.15bigd0gnice
13:40.31CroftonDo you need it soon?
13:40.46CroftonI will need to go check that we build the modules
13:40.55bigd0gthe lcd driver ?
13:40.57Croftonyeah
13:41.22bigd0gyeah... it's my next task to do.  now that the lcd pcb has been built, they need me to draw stuff on it
13:41.30Croftonah
13:41.40bigd0gi didn't realize it had to be built with something
13:41.42Croftonwhen I am over at school I'll look at the kconfig
13:41.44bigd0gi thought i could do it afteerwards
13:42.01bigd0gok, cool.  much appreciated.
13:42.37bigd0gi'm using a custom lcd ... so i'm not sure what modifications i'll need to make
13:42.40bigd0gi have an idea, tho
13:42.44Croftonheh
13:42.57CroftonI do not know much about this sort of thing at all
13:43.31bigd0gare the files already in org.oe.dev somewhere so that i can look them over ?
13:43.32hrw|workbigd0g: look at 2.6.12-rc3 config
13:43.39bigd0gding
13:43.41bigd0ghrw|work: thanks
13:45.11Croftonlooks like there is some fb support in the current bb file
13:45.13bigd0gi see rc2, not rc3.  was it added today?  i'll update the repo again
13:45.26hrw|workbigd0g: look in 2.6.12-rcX anyway
13:45.59Croftonthat kernel has the advantage of having worked at some point :)
13:46.02bigd0gCrofton: ok.  ideally i'd like to use just the framebuffer.  but if i need to, i can run gtk via x11
13:46.10bigd0gCrofton: haha  ;)
13:46.36CroftonI think I had to use the micrdrive to actually get opie running on the OSK :)
13:47.00bigd0gat least it worked, right ?
13:47.08Croftonright :)
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13:47.50hrw|workcelf use 2.6.12-rcX
13:48.13bigd0gi'll take a look-see as soon as the mtn update finishes
13:48.20CroftonI am not so familiar with celf
13:50.09bigd0ghrw|work: i only see 'linux-omap1-2.6.12-rc2' ... i don't see an rcX
13:50.23koenX = 2
13:50.23bigd0ghrw|work: is it not in packages/linux?  (i just updated org.oe.dev)
13:50.24CroftonX might mean he can't remember two
13:50.28bigd0gohhh
13:50.29bigd0gheh
13:50.46bigd0gconfusing because some of the bb files actually don't have a number  ;)
13:51.03Crofton2.6.x+git you mean :)
13:51.07bigd0gi.e. linux-omap1_2.6.x+git.bb
13:51.10bigd0gprecisely  ;)
13:52.07hrw|workCrofton: I hope that 2.6.18-omap1 will be soon released
13:52.15Croftonyeah
13:52.20Croftonthe patch?
13:52.55bigd0ghrm.  "linux-omap1_2.6.12-rc2.bb" and "linux-omap1_2.6.12-rc2.bb~" show up empty in emacs
13:54.03Croftonstuff here .....
13:55.09bigd0ghrm?
13:55.28Croftonweird
13:55.40Croftondo you have 2.6.18-rc ...
13:55.59Croftonkoen, looks like dspfs is intended to replace dspgw
13:56.02koenhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/AU2sXN84.html
13:56.56Croftonhmm, I must have never cmmited the .2.6.18 based off git tag
13:57.05Croftonlikely becuase it didn't work ....
13:57.06chouimatmorning
13:57.15koenhey chouimat
14:03.09bigd0goh, another random question.  how can i submit documentation to OE ?
14:03.29Croftonwiki?
14:03.38bigd0gi've generated a pretty hefty how-to through the course of this project and want to give it to you guys when i'm done
14:04.06Croftonhttp://www.openembedded.org/documentation
14:04.07bigd0gi don't know if it's wiki-able ... it's more or less and idiot's guide to getting OE up-and-running, building everything, and getting the osk working
14:04.10hrw|workbigd0g: look into org.openembedded.documentation branch
14:04.32hrw|workbigd0g: in other words: you have 'Use Case'
14:04.42hrw|workalso called 'Case Study'
14:04.47bigd0gyeah
14:05.02bigd0gis there a place you prefer those get dropped?
14:05.06hrw|workthe thing which we lack
14:05.27bigd0gmhm... sort of why i made it as i stumbled around and bothered everyone  :)
14:05.31hrw|workbigd0g: look into org.openembedded.documentation branch - I do not remember does usermanual has section for it
14:06.11bigd0gok.
14:06.25bigd0goh
14:06.29bigd0git's 1-line long.  rofl
14:07.52hrw|work;)
14:09.12bigd0gwell, it's not terribly important right now.  i just figured it'd be cool to "give back" somehow
14:09.46leoncamel~seen minipanda
14:09.59ibotminipanda <n=hzhang@221.221.154.49> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 14d 2h 13m 34s ago, saying: 'crap, in $OESTUFF/build/tmp/rootfs/ have /dev, but in bootstrap-image.tar.gz, no!'.
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15:16.48tkphi..
15:17.19tkpthere seems to be a problem with the python-lxml package
15:18.16hrw|workwhat kind of problem?
15:18.33tkpsory... phone..
15:18.42tkphi hrw|work
15:18.44CosmicPenguinits not python-libxml2.. :)
15:18.46tkpsorry...
15:18.53tkpImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/lxml/etree.so: undefined symbol: xmlC14NDocSaveTo
15:19.25tkpthis happens when trying to import the etree module
15:19.51tkpI'm not sure if this problem is lxml of libxml2
15:19.54tkpI suspect the later
15:20.47tkpI notice libxml2 is being compiled with '--without-python'
15:20.55tkpbut I don't think that should matter
15:21.23tkpmickeyl: you about?
15:25.06tkpI have the libxml2 dev packages installed on the target too
15:25.16hrw|worktkp: in debian it need libxml2, libxslt, python-pyrex
15:25.27tkppython-pyrex...
15:25.33tkphmm... thats not in the deps
15:26.52tkpfrom reading the lxml site, I think that is need for compilation only and not runtime
15:27.20hrw|worktkp: debian libxml2 contain xmlC14NDocSaveTo
15:27.39hrw|worklibxml2 2.6.26
15:27.59tkpoe is on 2.6.22
15:28.11hrw|workI know
15:28.31tkpI wonder if thats the problem
15:29.21hrw|workI'm checking
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15:30.04tkpit was sugested to me in #python that the problem was one of versioning
15:30.29CIA-903pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r8cccd2b6... 10/ (1 packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6/h4000/defconfig): h4000: Update defonfig, enable audio (statically).
15:30.40hrw|worktkp: debian 2.6.22 also contain that symbol
15:30.48psokolovskyhm, delays with cia
15:31.03CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r8dcac6d1... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.18.bb):
15:31.03CIA-9ixp4xx-kernel: SVN Revision bump
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15:31.11koen|awaypsokolovsky: yeah, oe.org was hanging on contacting the cia server
15:31.21blaster8nslu2-linux too
15:31.51hrw|worktkp: OE one does not have it
15:31.59tkphmm
15:32.15tkphrw|work: any ideas why not?
15:32.21hrw|worktkp: remove --disable-c14n
15:33.06hrw|worktkp: then rebuild and try
15:33.14tkprebuilding now...
15:33.27hrw|workthe c14n modules provides a "Canonical XML" implementation
15:33.37hrw|workxmlC14NDocSave is part of it
15:33.53tkpI see
15:34.04tkpfingers crossed then
15:34.18hrw|work;)
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15:37.09tkphrw|work: that seems to have fixed it :)
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15:38.53hrw|worktkp: how bigger libxml is?
15:39.57tkpit's 984K now...
15:40.02tkpI'm not sure what it was before
15:40.18hrw|workarm?
15:40.20tkplibxml2-dev is noe 3.3M
15:40.25tkpnow*
15:40.28tkpx86
15:40.38hrw|workaha
15:40.50hrw|workcan you rebuild it later without c14n and check?
15:41.05tkpsure... give me 5
15:41.20hrw|worktx
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15:44.59tkplibxml2: 984K -> 976K
15:45.38tkplibxml2-dev is now 3296k... need to recompile again to get a more accurate size reading for what it was before!
15:45.55tkplibxml2 shrank!
15:47.15CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * rfdaad165... 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): slugos-init: Further improvements to module loading
15:52.40hrw|worktkp: then push change to not disable c14n (and describe why you enable it), put python-lxml
15:53.22tkplibxml2-dev:  3296K -> 3328K
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16:21.15CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * rd3f331b7... 10/ (1 packages/images/slugos-image.bb): slugos: Revert to using udev (mdev functions, but turnup breaks)
16:23.08Gerrathdoes any of the OE machines have a kernel module written to map all the PXA270 I/Os to /proc/gpio?
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17:59.40Gerrathis there any plan to branch OE into a stable branch.  I love OE but it seems like everytime I update OE I have to go back through a fix a couple broken packages.
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18:03.52JustinPGerrath: .....org.oe.oz354x
18:04.10JustinPGerrath: of course, it's only for Zaurii/OZ
18:04.29JustinPGerrath: you're of course welcome to do a stable branch of your own
18:06.45GerrathJustinP, it just seems to me that it would make sense to do 1 branch of OE for all boards and only apply patches to that branch that have been highly reviewed and tested.   Maybe its just a pipe dream :-)
18:07.24T0mWAgreed, I find that I cannot build anything more complicated than bootstrap-image
18:07.43kergothi suspect if we had the manpower, something like that would be viable.
18:09.08Gerrathkergoth, I'm not trying to be critical.. I think what you guys have done with the little man power is amazing,
18:09.33kergothand i'm explaining that the required manpower increases substantially with every additional line of development.. which is true for any project
18:09.55hrwhi
18:10.10kergothhey
18:10.18Gerrathkergoth, I see your point.
18:10.29hrwJustinP: I do not agree with you. .oz354x was made for openzaurus but there are no problems with using it for other stuff.
18:11.00hrwGerrath: use distro with 'sane-srcdates' include to keep more stuff usable
18:12.30hrwGerrath: creating stable branch need few devels and limiting to few targets only. but branch will stagnate if those devs will do it in free time.
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18:13.51hrwGerrath: I have that situation with .oz354x branch. I maintain it but it lack many things from .dev (and viceversa too ;( but it is kind of stable. for first experiencies with OE it can be used but change from .oz354x to .dev can be hard then
18:14.41Gerrathhrw, thats a real good point.  You would end up stuck on an isolated island (stable-release) :-)
18:15.58Gerrathhrw, honestly I was unaware of the sanesrcdates, that seems like a happy medium approach.
18:16.04T0mWhrw, if I took the oz354 branch, use the local.conf.openzaurus-3.5.4, what do I tell bitbake to build?
18:16.07SD840_how i can contact the one who have make gumstix.conf in conf/machine ?
18:16.20hrwofcourse there are other projects then OE in embedded world. but how many of them are made by passionats?
18:16.28T0mWhrw: bitbake <what>
18:16.39hrwT0mW: bitbake your-selected-target
18:16.46T0mWhrw: gpe?
18:16.49hrwT0mW: I need to update local.conf..
18:16.53hrwT0mW: gpe-image
18:16.53Gerrathhrw, I have used some of the other projects and they can't come close to OE.
18:17.10T0mWhrw: not found
18:17.13hrwbuildroot, t2, timesys
18:17.29hrwT0mW: I build gpe-image from .oz354x about 1-2 weeks ago
18:17.48T0mWhrw:  I guess I have to copy the task + image dirs from org.openembedded.dev ?
18:17.56kergothdont forget scratchbox, which kicks our ass as a development tool, but is mediocre at best at the build and distro side of things
18:19.05hrwT0mW: no
18:19.12hrwT0mW: .oz354x contain gpe-image
18:19.33T0mWhrw, bitbake complains about TARGET_ARCH not being set, sorry.
18:19.34hrwkergoth: yep - I have to use it one day
18:19.47hrwT0mW: which distro/machine combo?
18:19.55T0mWzaurus
18:20.03hrwT0mW: there is no such machine
18:21.00T0mWhrw, I used the org.openembedded.oz354x/conf/local.conf.openzaurus-3.5.4 as the local.conf
18:21.12CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r11eafc7d... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): slugos-init: Add delay to disk booting to cope with module loading
18:21.19hrwT0mW: and it does not have machine set
18:21.39JustinPhrw: true, one could use it, but one would have to copy in the machine/distro configs and kernel recipes from dev if not building for OZ....
18:21.49T0mWhrw, oh, ok, I thought that it was all ready go
18:22.28T0mWhrw: can you suggest what would work or what works for you?
18:23.03hrwT0mW: MACHINE="c7x0" DISTRO="openzaurus-3.5.4.1" - rest is your local stuff
18:23.32hrwT0mW: my simplest local.conf contain only DISTRO. MACHINE is set in auto.conf, paths are in site.conf
18:23.46T0mWhrw: nod, thanks
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18:24.20T0mWhrw: I desperately need to move beyond bootstrap-image, but all my builds with org.openembedded.dev for gpe-image are badly broken
18:24.50T0mWhrw: so, if some form of zaurus is buildable, I'll try from there.
18:26.34hrwT0mW: use .dev with openzaurus-unstable distro?
18:26.49T0mWyeah
18:27.27CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rffbb21ec... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added example local.conf for 3.5.4.1, dropped one for 3.5.4 as this distro version is not supposed to be used
18:28.38hrwI want 'mtn cp' command...
18:29.32chouimathrw: maybe for xmas if you're a really good boy ;)
18:29.41hrwchouimat: ;D
18:29.58hrwchouimat: few versions ago I got pluck so who knows...
18:30.07hrwnjs: did you read it? :D
18:30.32hrwsomeone used via integrated gfx?
18:31.05chouimatARRRGGGG ... I hate this they call that the develop is getting late but the main development box is 500km away and it's down today and nobody are there to answer the phone ... you have to love distributed development
18:31.47hrwchouimat: I will soon have situation where I will work on machine -9h from me
18:32.17chouimathrw: it's not bad ... except when it got down and you can't reach anybody
18:32.45hrwchouimat: too bad that my work hours == their sleep hours
18:33.02chouimathrw: yeah  this sucks
18:36.56CIA-903kergoth * r613 10bitbake/lib/bb/taskdata.py: Minor bugfix in taskdata, the dump function was passing a list to bb.msg.debug where it expected a string. Use ', '.join() to create a string.
18:37.05hrwchouimat: or vice versa
18:38.58Croftonhrw, where is this machine?
18:39.08hrwCrofton: US
18:39.16Gerrathhrw, check out the sane-srcdates in more detail.. thats really a good idea.  I think that will address most of my issues :-) Thanks.
18:39.16Croftonbig place :)
18:39.49CroftonIf it is close, I could kick it for you if you have problems :)
18:39.59Gerrathhrw, /s/check/checked
18:40.06Croftonof course the chances of it being close to me are slim
18:40.28hrwCrofton: the changes to be able to get it are slim too
18:41.04hvontres|poodlehrw: -9, is that Pacific time then?
18:42.08hrwSan Jose, CA
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18:42.50hrwbe back in ~hour probably
18:43.06Croftontoo far to drive ..
18:43.14T0mWheh
18:46.33T0mWCrofton: you are about 100 miles closer than I am, go for it!
18:52.15RPkergoth: That would be a leftover from when the dump function used print :)
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18:52.46kergoth:) i figured
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18:53.33woglindehe zecke
18:53.38freytherhey
18:53.45freytherwoglinde: BenQ is... :(
18:53.50woglindezecke beny-siemens is dead
18:53.56woglindeyes
18:54.03woglindeI feared that
18:54.27freytherwoglinde: well, one always knew that but "Insolvenz" is pretty bad
18:54.50Croftonwhat was benw?
18:54.53Croftoner benq
18:55.02woglindeyes benq
18:55.25woglindebenq bought the cellphone production from siemens
18:55.30Croftonah
18:55.42woglindeand now siemens stopped the paying
18:55.59woglindeand benq called chapter 7
18:56.02woglindeor so
18:56.04woglindedont know
18:56.17woglindein german its "insolvenz"
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18:56.45woglindehm insolvency
19:12.22CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * r31316236... 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
19:12.22CIA-9ixp4xx-kernel: Add auto-byteswapping patch
19:12.22CIA-9ixp4xx-npe: Remove byteswapping behaviour
19:12.22CIA-9slugos-init: lengthen delay slightly
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19:27.32hrwhmm.. I just realised that oedem is in NEXT week, not week after..
19:29.02hrwsomeone used VIA integrated gfx?
19:29.19CIA-903hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf63a3b7b... 10/ (1 conf/local.conf.openzaurus-3.5.4.2): added local.conf for OZ 3.5.4.2
19:29.21hrwin x86 desktop machines, not epias
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19:48.06CIA-903pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2885bcf7... 10/ (1 packages/rocksndiamonds/rocksndiamonds_3.2.0.bb): rocksndiamonds 3.2.0: Pass target AR & RANLIB to make.
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20:18.00hrwcu
20:27.28SD840_is http://www.oesf.org/forums official forum ?
20:28.06koenSD840_: no, that has nothing todo with OE
20:28.14koenexcept that they stole our name
20:28.31SD840_ok
20:28.40CosmicPenguinAnd my ham sandwich
20:29.14SD840_ERROR: Nothing provides dependency kernel-module-jfs
20:29.15SD840_grrrrr
20:31.22SD840_i don't know what but OE clearly hate me when i want to do a distro! :)
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20:35.29koenah, right
20:35.47koensomeone added a RDEPEND on a kernel module
20:35.52koenthat's a bug
20:36.09koen./conf/machine/gumstix.conf:22:BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS = "kernel-modules-mmc kernel-modules-usb kernel-modules-fat kernel-modules-bluetooth kernel-module-jfs udev lrzsz"
20:36.20simcop2387ok i don't think that went well...
20:37.12simcop2387i think my initrd is borked :(
20:37.42simcop2387well time to figure out whats wrong
20:39.25CIA-903koen 07org.oe.dev * r3529a286... 10/ (1 conf/machine/gumstix.conf):
20:39.25CIA-9gumstix.conf: fix typos for kernel modules
20:39.25CIA-9* this file still (R)DEPENDS on kernel modules, which is bug, one should only RRECOMMEND them, leaving that to the maintainer or to the convert-to-task-base-squad
20:40.22koenSD840_: the quick fix is to remove the kernel-module-<stuff> from conf/machine/gumstix.conf
20:40.50SD840_yep its what i do
20:41.09koenfat and jfs don't look very 'needed' to me
20:41.14SD840_gmustix (and not gumstix??) in distro don't work.. gumstix don't boot
20:41.21koenit's not like the board won't boot without them :)
20:41.24SD840_so now i try with generic distro
20:41.43koengmustix is a distro from the George Mason University iirc
20:41.49koenhence the GMU
20:41.53SD840_ok
20:42.05SD840_so nothing to do with gumstix? :)
20:42.08koen~seen TMM1
20:42.23ibottmm1 <n=aman@STRATTON-FOUR-O-TWO.MIT.EDU> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 5d 33m 17s ago, saying: 'ah yea'.
20:42.23SD840_lol
20:42.23RPkoen: In the packaged-staging branch, are there many changes to the packages themselves?
20:42.23koenSD840_: yes, it's for the gumstix
20:42.32CIA-903blaster8 07org.oe.dev * rbb69f40c... 10/ (1 packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.18.bb): ixp4xx-kernel: One last revbump, cleaning up the patch directory
20:42.34koenRP: there should be none
20:42.48koenRP: only a EXCLUDE_FROM_SHLIBS for glibc-i iirc
20:43.14RPkoen: ok, I know of one more :)
20:43.41RPgnu-config - missing install -d
20:44.08koenah
20:44.21RPI'll push to .dev
20:44.29koenthanks
20:44.52RPI was just suddenly worried I was going to wipe out a load of stuff
20:45.24koenI'm without netconnection tomorrow at work so it might take sometime for me to responds to questions :)
20:45.53RPnp. I'm doing this out of hours anyway and just when I get a few minutes
20:46.10koenI doubt that an army base will have insecure wifi :)
20:46.22RPNothing would surprise me...
20:46.26koenyeah
20:46.38SD840_koen : ah ? btw, dont work, gumstix don't boot, init error...
20:46.45koenthe army dudes keep misplacing usbsticks in rental carms
20:46.52koencars*
20:48.10koenRP: I intended to look at syncing classes/ with .dev this morning but ubuntu corrupted /boot again
20:48.24RPkoen: :-/
20:48.36RPkoen: I have enough here to make it work with bitbake trunk...
20:48.37koena 20MB /boot is too small
20:49.05koenany diff in classes/ is considered spurious
20:49.28CIA-903rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r91c0213e... 10/ (1 packages/gnu-config/gnu-config-native_20050701.bb): gnu-config: Add missing install -d (from packaged-staging)
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20:49.38koenthe changes needed are in .dev as well, as people have noticed with the tasks being changed around
20:50.28RPkoen: I noticed - I also switched the tasks in poky
20:50.32koenI suspect you can drop packaged-staging.bbclass into poky as well
20:50.50koenbtw, you need ipkg + ipkg-utils on your host
20:51.00koenI never got around to adding an ipkg-bootstrap .bb
20:51.20RPipkg-native isn't enough?
20:51.42koenyes, but a clean rebuild needs ipkg before quilt is built
20:52.22RPah, I see
20:52.32RPThis could be interesting :)
20:52.43koenyou can bitbake -b ipkg ipkg-utils if  you want
20:52.51koenbut having them on your host is easier
20:53.08koenzecke recommended a ipkg-bootstrap package for that
20:53.42RPYes, its a good idea
20:53.58koenor absorb ipkg-build.sh into OE
20:54.17koenwhich I think poky did for the .deb changes
20:54.19RPIs that all we need it for? We should probably just pinch it ;-)
20:54.26RPright :)
20:54.32RPI've not looked too closely at that yet
20:54.35koenipkg-build, ipkg-make-index and ipkg-cl
20:54.56RPI was already hacking bits of make-index...
20:54.56koenI was temped to use the sh version of ipkg
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20:56.08koenanyway, send ideas/suggestions etc by mail or to the mailinglist so I won't forget them :)
20:56.12koen'night all
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21:22.22CIA-903lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rf8394551... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
21:22.22CIA-9perl: Update cpan.bbclass to set CCFLAGS to CFLAGS so that the compiler
21:22.22CIA-9settings for the current OE build are used instead of the made up values in
21:22.22CIA-9the perl config (which were manually generated since we are cross
21:22.23CIA-9compiling). Remove this from each of the perl modules that was manually
21:22.23CIA-9setting this.
21:24.22CIA-903lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rb66084df... 10/ (1 packages/perl/liblocale-gettext-perl_1.05.bb):
21:24.22CIA-9perl: Add the perl Locale::gettext module, which is used for gettext
21:24.22CIA-9style message handling.
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22:29.32XorA|goneRP: my hostap crash is prism3 only, prism2 card works fine
22:30.05RPXorA|gone: Not something I can debug then I'm afraid :-/
22:30.24XorA|goneRP: its cool, when I get the serial lead made, I shall have the oops
22:30.35RP:)
22:30.41XorA|goneRP: and now its part of my job Liam might allow me time to fix it
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22:31.18RPI wish it worked like that :)
22:31.23XorA|goneRP: 3 times today I have done pccardctl eject and wondered why device locked
22:31.47RPXorA|gone: You'll get used to it eventually. Maybe in a few months ;-)
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