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| 02:16.42 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r4e215232... 10/ (1 packages/diffutils/diffutils_2.8.1.bb): |
| 02:16.42 | CIA-4 | diffutils 2.8.1: Use alternatives for diff since busybox also supplies a |
| 02:16.42 | CIA-4 | diff command. As per #1472. |
| 02:16.47 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r52356cfd... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:16.47 | CIA-4 | psmisc: Psmisc was updated to use alternatives for fuser, however the PR |
| 02:16.47 | CIA-4 | wasn't incremented, so bump the PR so the change gets propagated. |
| 02:41.32 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r017c3ffd... 10/ (1 packages/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.2.13.bb): |
| 02:41.32 | CIA-4 | fakeroot 1.2.13: Fakeroot requires getopt which is provided via util-linux, |
| 02:41.32 | CIA-4 | so make it RDEPEND on util-linux. Closes #1452. |
| 02:41.37 | CIA-4 | 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r5c481417... 10/ (1 packages/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.2.13.bb): fakeroot 1.2.13: Run it through oe-stylize.py to tidy it up. |
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| 07:33.08 | tmbinc_ | mickey|zzZZzz: it *was* packaged? into what package? why wasn't it in the manifest? |
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| 08:26.51 | mickey|zzZZzz | tmbinc_: no it wasn't. it is now: <CIA-4> mickeyl org.oe.dev * r84667dc5... / (4 files in 3 dirs): python: add heapq and bisect support to python-lang, remove bisect from python-threading |
| 08:27.12 | mickey|zzZZzz | tmbinc: but it didn't land in python-core, but python-lang instead, which is why twisted may want to RDEPEND on python-lan |
| 08:27.13 | mickey|zzZZzz | g |
| 08:27.18 | mickey|zzZZzz | bbl |
| 08:34.18 | tmbinc_ | mickey|squash: oh, fine. Yes, python-core was just because it was a package which i needed anyway :) and i didn't knew better. Nice that it has now a final place. I'll update the twisted packages then. (it's been an issues only since a recent twisted version since old versions brought their own heapq.py, probably for pre-python-2.3 compatibility) |
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| 09:54.14 | zecke | mickey|squash: I'm writing three sentences now |
| 10:04.43 | mithro | 3 sentences? |
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| 10:18.22 | hrw | hi |
| 10:20.14 | hrw | mithro: OEDEM summary |
| 10:20.36 | mithro | ahh |
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| 10:25.32 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb4deec43... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libaio: revert __io_getevents_0_4.patch (FTBFS on x86) and fix ARM version of io_syscall5 as suggested by Jamie Lenehan |
| 10:29.41 | hrw | someone has debian/arm available? |
| 10:30.34 | koen | hrw: install angstrom ;) |
| 10:31.21 | hrw | koen: I need pure debian |
| 10:31.56 | hrw | debian chroot on spitz could be probably be a solution.. |
| 10:32.12 | suihkulokki | hrw: do you need root? |
| 10:32.14 | hrw | koen: rb4deec43... need to be checked on arm |
| 10:32.28 | hrw | suihkulokki: no - just need toolchain and libaio-dev installed |
| 10:32.50 | hrw | suihkulokki: or even someone who will try to build aio-stress.c on such machine |
| 10:33.28 | hrw | Kevin`: arm one? I have few x86 pure debian boxes available |
| 10:33.44 | Kevin` | I wish :) |
| 10:34.01 | koen | I did petition ARM for an MPCore board yesterday :) |
| 10:34.31 | suihkulokki | koen: supposedly the MPCore board comes with only 64MB of ram |
| 10:35.13 | koen | suihkulokki: it is sadly just a versatile + MPCore tile(s) |
| 10:35.42 | koen | suihkulokki: but my aim was to tell ARM that OE is doing the heavy lifting for debian/ARM |
| 10:37.13 | zecke | wow camino sucks |
| 10:37.26 | zecke | one site can disturb the layout of one in another window |
| 10:37.36 | koen | zecke: ain't it cute? |
| 10:37.52 | koen | zecke: and the popup blocker doesn't actually block popups |
| 10:38.13 | koen | zecke: the flash popups will just suck CPU while being invisible |
| 10:38.18 | hrw | Bug report submitted to: "Debian Bug Tracking System" <submit@bugs.debian.org> |
| 10:40.30 | suihkulokki | hrw: where can I find aio-stress.c ? |
| 10:41.29 | hrw | suihkulokki: moment |
| 10:41.43 | hrw | suihkulokki: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mason/utils/aio-stress.c |
| 10:42.01 | hrw | suihkulokki: instruction how to compile is in file |
| 10:42.08 | hrw | one gcc invocation |
| 10:43.35 | suihkulokki | /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../libaio.so: undefined reference to `__io_getevents_0_4' |
| 10:44.13 | hrw | suihkulokki: THX |
| 10:44.47 | hrw | suihkulokki: so libaio will get updated in debian soon |
| 10:44.57 | zecke | one would hope that :) |
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| 10:45.58 | hrw | (C) in oe manual is sorted by anykind other then 'I started, I added, I added, I added too'? |
| 10:46.16 | koen | it's using zecke_sort |
| 10:46.45 | koen | I could give to the .c file, but you can only compile it with gcc 1.2 ;) |
| 10:46.46 | zecke | koen: I need to enforce my trademark here |
| 10:52.10 | hrw | CIA-4: ing |
| 10:52.41 | CIA-4 | ow |
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| 10:53.23 | hrw | we will require bitbake 1.6.0 not 1.4.2 |
| 10:55.08 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r123c0282... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: typo (lack of space between words) |
| 10:55.14 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rdb97c909... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: we do not have MAINTAINER field anymore |
| 10:55.19 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * re11c6c27... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: we do not have MAINTAINER field anymore (2) |
| 10:55.47 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * ra5c45296... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: s/need to specify everything by yourself/need to specify everything other by yourself/ |
| 10:55.51 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r447fa700... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: required BitBake version is 1.6.0, not 1.4.2 |
| 10:57.13 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r7e13fccd... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: another BitBake version bump |
| 10:57.20 | hrw | minimal supported monotone is still 0.28? |
| 10:57.30 | koen | 0.26 iirc |
| 10:57.34 | hrw | ok |
| 10:58.06 | hrw | koen: do you plan to update 0.30 OE snapshot? |
| 10:58.49 | koen | hrw: when 0.31 gets released (approx. next week) |
| 10:59.02 | hrw | ok |
| 10:59.16 | koen | I'll just do it now as well :) |
| 10:59.57 | hrw | I want to add info about 0.30 snapshot into docs |
| 11:00.24 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rbe2f4b76... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: link to monotone homepage instead of giving link |
| 11:01.29 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.28 | koen | hrw: snapshots updated |
| 11:04.37 | hrw | thx |
| 11:06.13 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rca5216bb... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: rephrase 'getting OE' section, added info about 0.30 snapshot |
| 11:09.42 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r55b1d126... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: merge all paragraphs to be oneliners in whole document |
| 11:11.39 | psokolovsky | Hi! |
| 11:13.32 | hrw | hi psokolovsky |
| 11:18.33 | hrw | how would you call 'arm' as cpu architecture? (compared to armv5te, armv4 names) |
| 11:31.50 | koen | hrw: 'ARM<number>' is the arch, 'ARMv<number>' is the instruction set |
| 11:33.30 | hrw | thx |
| 11:34.50 | hrw | machine need 3 things: target_arch, machine_features, pref_prov_virtual/kernel |
| 11:34.53 | hrw | something more? |
| 11:34.57 | hrw | s/need/require |
| 11:35.23 | koen | with my COMPATIBLE_MACHINE proposal pref/virtual-kernel would become optional :) |
| 11:35.37 | hrw | sure |
| 11:38.18 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3d4d1770... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openzaurus-sa: added COMPATIBLE_MACHINE |
| 11:39.23 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * raf751acf... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openzaurus-pxa27x: added COMPATIBLE_MACHINE |
| 11:41.18 | hrw | crap kernels |
| 11:41.30 | hrw | or even crap 'so called' kernels |
| 11:41.46 | leoncamel_irssi | there are so many *-sa and *pxa stuff recently . :) |
| 11:42.12 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: or *omap |
| 11:42.33 | mithro | crapolloa |
| 11:43.03 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: but *why* ? the COMPATIBLE_MACHINE ? |
| 11:43.35 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: openzaurus-* kernels suxx |
| 11:44.52 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: ;). does the handhelds-* also suxx ? |
| 11:45.04 | koen | hrw: linux sucks, use eCos ;) |
| 11:45.09 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: I cant discuss handhelds-* kernels as I do not use them |
| 11:45.17 | hrw | koen: or vxworks |
| 11:45.40 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: openzaurus-* ones are 2.4-crapix. very very low quality |
| 11:45.51 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: hmm, maybe *pSOS*. come on, what's wrong with linux. ;) |
| 11:46.33 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: you never used 2.4 kernel on zaurus? |
| 11:46.52 | mithro | anyone know of a single page wiki? |
| 11:47.31 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: I needn't either. I preferre handhelds-* kernel |
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| 11:50.21 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: well, what's wrong with zaurus kernel 2.4 series ? |
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| 11:52.14 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: other then their tons of unknown patches, weird interdependencies, abilities to crash in random places? |
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| 11:54.45 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: sound terrible. |
| 11:54.53 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r6276a508... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: added task-base section |
| 11:55.03 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r6ed7e98b... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: added some infos about adding machine |
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| 12:00.52 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: does the document updated automaticly when you commited ? |
| 12:01.05 | koen | every 30 minutes |
| 12:01.38 | leoncamel_irssi | koen: OH. how it works ? |
| 12:01.51 | koen | a cronjob that build the html from the xml file |
| 12:01.53 | leoncamel_irssi | koen: refresh every 30 minutes ? |
| 12:02.57 | leoncamel_irssi | koen: hmm, if there isn't any commits, the cronjob will build the html then ? |
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| 12:09.33 | koen | it will build it every 30 minutes, regardless of commits |
| 12:09.50 | koen | we want to hook it up to the CIA script, but we haven't had the time yet |
| 12:21.36 | hrw | leoncamel_irssi: it takes 3s anyway |
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| 12:25.08 | hrw | html version has too many divs.. |
| 12:25.19 | leoncamel_irssi | hrw: Ok. |
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| 12:36.39 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rcb9ac106... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: add new paragraph before steps |
| 12:36.40 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rd26a375b... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: added myself to (C) |
| 12:39.28 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r8e6fdbce... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: rewording in task-base: distro/machine config not .conf |
| 12:39.59 | leoncamel | hrw, WOW, there are a lot of commit on org.oe.documention. :) |
| 12:40.16 | hrw | leoncamel: many of them are simple rewording |
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| 12:40.23 | hrw | I prefer to commit often |
| 12:40.58 | rwhitby | commit early, commit often. |
| 12:41.22 | hrw | exactly |
| 12:41.25 | leoncamel | hrw, yes. I agree |
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| 12:42.32 | hrw | and another rewording... |
| 12:42.35 | hrw | hi Laibsch |
| 12:42.53 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r3f29d540... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: another rewording in task-base: distro options list things |
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| 12:44.31 | hrw | time for 'creating a new distro' part |
| 12:44.53 | leoncamel | hrw, why is the COMPATIBLE_MACHINE required by every linux kernel stuff ? |
| 12:45.00 | leoncamel | hrw, IIRC |
| 12:45.11 | hrw | leoncamel: to know which machines are handled by this kernel recipe |
| 12:45.26 | hrw | leoncamel: will linux-ipod produce working kernel for my spitz zaurus? |
| 12:45.46 | hrw | or koen's dualCPU x86 machine? |
| 12:46.54 | hrw | got it? |
| 12:47.38 | leoncamel | hrw, I think the developer would know "what he/she will do". i thought this dependancy it redundancy. |
| 12:47.53 | hrw | leoncamel: bitbake will does not know |
| 12:48.31 | hrw | leoncamel: we had a time when linux-jlime kernel was built for machines just because someone forgot to tell which kernel is preferred |
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| 12:50.02 | leoncamel | hrw, hmm, OK. why not *abort* if "the someone" forget the kernel preferre ? is it make sense ? |
| 12:50.38 | hrw | leoncamel: we discussed it already many times |
| 12:51.23 | leoncamel | hrw, :). OK. word it into usermanual ? or FAQ ? |
| 12:51.45 | hrw | kernel policy |
| 12:52.22 | leoncamel | hrw, WOW. I miss it. :). |
| 12:52.52 | hrw | we too |
| 12:56.12 | leoncamel | hrw, hmm, I thought there was a chapter named "kernel policy" now, but I found nonthing. ;) so, you are planning it now ? |
| 12:56.37 | hrw | leoncamel: we need to create list of missing policies and start writing them |
| 12:56.47 | hrw | and I will rather do not write it today |
| 12:57.27 | leoncamel | hrw, :). OK. I am waiting for it. It will make sense. |
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| 13:05.39 | _law_|iBook | hi |
| 13:05.44 | hrw | hi law |
| 13:05.53 | _law_|iBook | hi hrw |
| 13:06.23 | hrw | creating of new distribution has 7 entries in list |
| 13:08.37 | _law_|iBook | hrw? |
| 13:11.28 | hrw | _law_|iBook: wait a moment and CIA-4 will tell you |
| 13:11.28 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rc92c658d... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: creating of new distribution |
| 13:11.31 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * ra0b62783... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: merged another paragraph into one line |
| 13:11.35 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * rd9c068c0... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: LC_ALL=C for subversion output |
| 13:13.08 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r563832df... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: removed empty paragraph |
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| 13:20.27 | hrw | CIA-4: kick |
| 13:20.27 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.documentation * r39e2c5ef... 10/ (1 usermanual/usermanual.xml): usermanual: creating of own image |
| 13:20.31 | _law_|iBook | hrw a okay :-) |
| 13:26.54 | hrw | ;) |
| 13:28.57 | _law_|iBook | bbl |
| 13:40.44 | hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/10/15/openembedded-documentation-day/ |
| 13:40.57 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0c0c4306... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: support 'pci' feature |
| 13:45.44 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rad39206b... 10/ (1 conf/machine/guinness.conf): guiness: added pci to MACHINE_FEATURES |
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| 14:13.20 | CIA-4 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rdc352035... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h4000.conf): |
| 14:13.21 | CIA-4 | h4000: Remove pcmcia from MACHINE_FEATURES. |
| 14:13.21 | CIA-4 | * h4000 has only internal pcmcia slot, to which acx100 wifi is hardwired. |
| 14:13.21 | CIA-4 | Thus, no need to support arbitrary PCMCIA devices. |
| 14:31.55 | Laibsch | Somebody willing to change the preferred version of binutils-cross and binutils to 2.17 in openzaurus-unstable.conf in .dev branch? This would fix bug 1421. |
| 14:34.15 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.02 | Laibsch | zecke: In what way? Can you comment in the bug report. This was previously discussed briefly and others seemed to be unaware that this might create problems. |
| 14:37.12 | zecke | Laibsch: did it build glibc 2.4 by default? |
| 14:37.19 | zecke | Laibsch: or did you try to force it to? |
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| 14:38.11 | Laibsch | Actually, I also made a change to compile glibc 2.5. That seemed to work. |
| 14:38.28 | Laibsch | I can retry with 2.4 (not reset default set elsewhere). |
| 14:38.46 | zecke | Laibsch: the question is which glibc will be build by default |
| 14:39.29 | Laibsch | I think 2.4 is default. It was being built until I specifically set preferred version in local.conf. |
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| 14:42.17 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbc947a86... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:42.17 | CIA-4 | python-pyrex[-native]: upgrade to 0.9.3.1 fixing compatibility with Python 2.4 |
| 14:42.17 | CIA-4 | This fixes errors like the following: |
| 14:42.17 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.21 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r7484bb8b... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): upgrade python-dbus to 0.71. patches (seem to be) no longer necessary. close #1479 |
| 14:43.04 | Skyhusker | hi |
| 14:44.16 | zecke | Laibsch: let me pull |
| 14:44.35 | XorA|gone | DO NOT change that binutils version |
| 14:45.04 | zecke | RP: can LTT answer questions like: How much mem was used dirung execution of foo? |
| 14:45.43 | XorA|gone | Laibsch: if you want to use glibc 2.5 then use angstrom configuration |
| 14:46.04 | Laibsch | XorA|gone: I compile for collie. |
| 14:46.41 | XorA|gone | 2.17 doesnt work for glibc 2.3.5+cvs which is default for oz-unstable |
| 14:47.06 | hrw | Laibsch: create own distro |
| 14:47.17 | XorA|gone | add collie support to Angstrom |
| 14:47.21 | Laibsch | Wow, that would be quite a feat for me. |
| 14:47.23 | hrw | Laibsch: openzaurus-laibsch.conf |
| 14:47.27 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 14:47.37 | Laibsch | Are you serious? |
| 14:47.42 | hrw | Laibsch: I'm |
| 14:47.49 | Laibsch | Nobody else using collie anymore? |
| 14:47.50 | XorA|gone | Laibsch: why not, its a simple tet file |
| 14:48.02 | hrw | Laibsch: my collie gather dust |
| 14:48.21 | XorA | glibc 2.5 is the way of pain anyway :-) |
| 14:48.23 | hrw | hi XorA |
| 14:48.33 | XorA | hey hrw |
| 14:49.16 | zecke | XorA: we do not pin glibc to 2.3.5 in oz unstable (even if one should do) |
| 14:49.36 | XorA | zecke: then we probably should, 2.4/2.5 arent working on arm |
| 14:49.46 | Laibsch | But "forking" will not help anyone. If anything I want to get that stuff back in OE. That is IMHO better. But I guess there are some obstacles to it ATM. But on the other hand. The current config should not compile much anything. So maybe openzaurus-collie.conf is better than openzaurus-laibsch.conf? |
| 14:50.20 | hrw | Laibsch: oz will use glibc 2.3.5 and gcc 3.4.4 binutils 2.16 |
| 14:50.37 | hrw | Laibsch: this way it is sort of compatible with normal releases |
| 14:51.29 | Laibsch | But that breaks glibc compilation and without glibc you do not have much of anything ;-) |
| 14:51.55 | zecke | hrw: then set PREFERRED VERSION for glibc on oz-unstable |
| 14:52.17 | hrw | zecke: i suspected it has it. |
| 14:52.26 | nicolasfr | mickey: thanks for python-dbus. I hope pygtk2.10 will compile, so that we can make nice applets in matchbox |
| 14:52.37 | zecke | hrw: I can't find it :) |
| 14:52.58 | XorA | hrw: its possible we assumed it had it because 2.3.5+cvs was always the default for so long |
| 14:53.19 | XorA | the real bug in 1421 is we didnt pin it if that is the case |
| 14:53.34 | Laibsch | zecke: Which is what I suggested. |
| 14:53.34 | zecke | XorA: ack |
| 14:53.43 | hrw | ko |
| 14:53.59 | zecke | hrw: do you have time to edit the file? |
| 14:54.18 | hrw | yes |
| 14:55.35 | hrw | pulling, will push |
| 14:55.37 | Laibsch | hrw: Cool. Thanks a lot. |
| 14:56.01 | hrw | zecke, XorA: can you look at recent .documentation changes? |
| 14:56.12 | XorA | hrw: I try and find time tomorrow |
| 14:56.20 | hrw | thx |
| 14:56.42 | hrw | Laibsch: pushed |
| 14:56.43 | zecke | hrw: after i have finished this physics crap... |
| 14:57.07 | CIA-4 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r68939422... 10/ (1 conf/distro/openzaurus-unstable.conf): openzaurus-unstable: set glibc version to same as in release versions: 2.3.5+cvs20050627 - probably will close #1421 bug |
| 14:57.42 | XorA | hrw: wont you need to pin -intermediate -initial aswell |
| 14:58.39 | hrw | XorA: there is no intermediate one |
| 14:58.40 | XorA | hrw: ignore me, we dont have those for 2.3.5 |
| 14:59.59 | hrw | I will lecture on OpenEmbedded in wednesday |
| 15:12.33 | Laibsch | hrw: Thanks. I will try it out. |
| 15:12.48 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, Hi! |
| 15:13.11 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, you won't believe - I tested granule on h4000 ;-))) |
| 15:14.06 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, sorry that it took so long - I selected it as test to make EO.dev build fam0.8.4-compatible packages, and that's time it took to get it work ;-) |
| 15:14.47 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, of course, it's barely usable on qvga. Another suggestion, that it would be nice to add a sample package with cards. |
| 15:15.10 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, but otherwise, looks nice! please submit it for OE mainline inclusion. |
| 15:18.18 | Laibsch | psokolovsky: Thanks for the report. I was going to package it up. Please make your comments about qvga etc to upstream at http://granule.sf.net as well. There is a task I opened in this respect. The author is requesting feedback which I was so far unable to give him since my Z broke. I got a replacement yesterday. |
| 15:18.46 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, will do |
| 15:18.55 | Laibsch | psokolovsky: Please do not forget to mention the device you had this running on. |
| 15:18.58 | Laibsch | Thanks. |
| 15:19.19 | psokolovsky | ok |
| 15:19.31 | hrw | Laibsch: which Z you finally got? |
| 15:21.05 | Laibsch | hrw: I bought the used Z from my friend. So it is again a collie. got it for 50€ plus 256 meg SD card, Wifi SD, leather case and battery pack. So this was OK for me. I got it sooner than the C1000 my girlfriend could have brought along from Japan next month and I do not like the recent models too much. |
| 15:21.37 | Laibsch | koen|away: If you ever see that Nokia 770 for 99€ again, do not forget to let me know ;-) I will get it instantly. |
| 15:22.06 | Laibsch | s/Wifi SD/Wifi CF/ |
| 15:24.00 | hrw | cheap |
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| 15:49.04 | hrw | I'm starting to hate oo.org more and more |
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| 15:53.00 | zecke | hrw: use abiword or koffice |
| 15:53.03 | zecke | hrw: lyx? |
| 15:54.09 | hrw | zecke: I need somethign to create presentation |
| 15:54.24 | hrw | I would like to make it nicer then the one which I had at oedem |
| 15:54.35 | zecke | hehe |
| 15:54.43 | zecke | latexbeamer + OpenGL animation |
| 15:54.58 | NAbyss | hrw: S5? |
| 15:55.02 | NAbyss | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ |
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| 15:56.42 | hrw | probably will stay with shitty oo.org impress |
| 15:57.06 | hrw | this I already 'know' |
| 15:57.40 | hrw | but still cant understand why I cant define boxes to have same style on each slide |
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| 15:59.48 | Laibsch | hrw: Did you try F11? |
| 16:00.00 | Laibsch | hrw: I think that should achieve what you are looking for. |
| 16:00.17 | Laibsch | man Styles. man Style Editor. |
| 16:00.46 | hrw | Laibsch: I know that this exist |
| 16:00.52 | Laibsch | hrw: Let me know if you need help with it. |
| 16:00.55 | Laibsch | I guess MAINTAINER should be removed from the fields listed at http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/StyleGuide ? |
| 16:01.03 | hrw | Laibsch: should be removed |
| 16:01.09 | Laibsch | hrw: OK |
| 16:01.38 | hrw | Laibsch: the problem with styles in impress is: which style is where used by default etc |
| 16:01.42 | Laibsch | hrw: re oo.org, press F11 select outline1 and modify. Select third or fourth tab and you are all set. |
| 16:02.47 | hrw | Laibsch: you have oo.org 1.x or 2.x? |
| 16:02.54 | Laibsch | hrw: I agree oo.org sometimes seems unintuitive and there is room for improvement. But the payoff is there. Oo.org tries to do the right thing just like OE. But that means, one stumbles across an oddity here and there. |
| 16:02.56 | Laibsch | 2 |
| 16:02.59 | Laibsch | 2.x |
| 16:03.12 | Laibsch | Newest Debian testing or unstable, I am not sure. |
| 16:03.48 | Laibsch | The about window says it is from August 17th so quite recent. |
| 16:04.16 | Laibsch | It is the forth tab, BTW. I counted ;-) |
| 16:04.30 | hrw | Laibsch: I do not have tabs there at all |
| 16:04.39 | zecke | Laibsch: hehe. Save as different format. print out the screenshot of the messagebox, show it to a usability expert and they will cry.. ;) |
| 16:04.42 | Laibsch | Let me send you a screenshot. |
| 16:05.20 | hrw | I'm starting hacking way... change all styles to insane look and check when it will break |
| 16:10.06 | hrw | its good that after this presentation I will not have to make newer ones |
| 16:10.26 | hrw | so maybe I will find time to remind how it was with latex |
| 16:11.01 | Laibsch | zecke: What is so bad about it? It is almost the same as MS Office, but maybe that is bad, too. |
| 16:11.12 | hrw | you can edit Title style... but not background of it |
| 16:11.45 | hrw | Laibsch: Ania told that when she first time used powerpoint she just got what she was needing. and it was after fighting with impress |
| 16:11.47 | chouimat | hi |
| 16:12.00 | hrw | hi chouimat |
| 16:12.15 | hrw | chouimat: join oo.org antifan club |
| 16:12.54 | Laibsch | hrw: Style support is bad. I agree. I have a couple of year-old bug reports about it. I was able to hack around by going into the xml source. The functionality is there. But the GUI has not been added for years. I was looking for a way to align headers to the bottom of a reference. |
| 16:13.16 | chouimat | hrw: :) |
| 16:13.23 | hrw | Laibsch: I cant find a place where I can edit header/footer for example |
| 16:13.50 | hrw | I think that it is easier to create presentations in OO Writer then in OO Impress |
| 16:14.26 | chouimat | hrw: I found this (tonicpoint.jar) so now I can look at the *.pps that the people send me :) |
| 16:14.39 | chouimat | hrw: I use latex-beamer for my presentation ;) |
| 16:14.46 | Laibsch | hrw: I had the same experience but after complaining to oo.org people (this is FOSS, after all!) they convinced they just had a different logic. And I got even convinced by them that their logic was more straight-forward. The example that got me was where to set page margins. Totally different place than I was used to from Powerpoint. But more stringent placement in oo.org indeed. |
| 16:14.48 | hrw | but with OO.org 4.5 user will be able to make presentations |
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| 16:15.11 | hrw | chouimat: I will do that too but no time to learn it now |
| 16:15.32 | hrw | Laibsch: its foss but with dead users #channel |
| 16:15.59 | Laibsch | hrw: In a way you remind me of a Windows user switching Linux and complaining things are not working as in Windows (although they work better which you only appreciate after some time) |
| 16:16.15 | hrw | Laibsch: I never used software for presentations |
| 16:16.20 | Laibsch | hrw: Would you want to support it? ML is very active and helpful. |
| 16:16.22 | hrw | *never* before oo impress |
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| 16:17.24 | Laibsch | hrw: I worked for management consultancy and presentations are your bread and butter there. The Latex solution that geeks usually propose is the shits and hardly legible, believe me. Powerpoint produces shitty presentations by default, too, though. |
| 16:17.54 | chouimat | hrw: you can also try koffice instead of oo.org ;) |
| 16:18.10 | hrw | chouimat: when did koffice got presentation app? |
| 16:18.32 | hrw | chouimat: and how often will it redraw own UI? kspread is unusable for me |
| 16:18.34 | chouimat | kpresenter |
| 16:19.10 | chouimat | hrw: that I don't know ... |
| 16:19.13 | hrw | chouimat: read opendocument? |
| 16:19.31 | hrw | each time when I try koffice I feel that it need work |
| 16:19.41 | chouimat | yes ... it's the standard document type |
| 16:19.47 | zecke | hrw: that is true, but it is more promising than oo |
| 16:20.17 | chouimat | hrw: I personaly think that OO.org and MS Orifice need work ... |
| 16:20.21 | chouimat | too |
| 16:21.39 | chouimat | hrw: and it use less resources than OO ... which is good imho :) |
| 16:22.06 | hrw | chouimat: show me software which does not need work.. |
| 16:22.20 | Laibsch | hrw: View - Header and Footer |
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| 16:22.43 | chouimat | hrw: FreeDOS ... |
| 16:24.44 | hrw | Laibsch: yep.. I have this menu option. but resulting window lack header at all ;) |
| 16:27.48 | Laibsch | hrw: Then take a look at the slide master. I can work that fine, here. |
| 16:28.32 | Laibsch | View - Master - Slide Master |
| 16:30.10 | hrw | ok ok |
| 16:30.27 | hrw | looks like by default impress does not have header even in slide master |
| 16:30.42 | Laibsch | Yes, that is strange, I agree. |
| 16:30.52 | hrw | my next presentations will be written with latex-beamer or oo writer |
| 16:31.02 | Laibsch | As I said, sometimes the GUI is lacking when compared to the backend functionality. |
| 16:31.09 | hrw | maybe |
| 16:31.24 | hrw | but I do not plan to hack oo.org or use it more then needed |
| 16:31.58 | Laibsch | But if nothing works you can always hack the XML which is sort of like hacking in TeX, I guess (gives commands for structure instead of gui click-and-drag) |
| 16:32.56 | Laibsch | hrw the OO.org file is a simple zip file with XML inside. Quite easy. |
| 16:33.05 | hrw | Laibsch: I know that |
| 16:33.14 | hrw | I WANNA SCREAM |
| 16:33.20 | hrw | fskinch shit called oo.org |
| 16:34.21 | hrw | time to run oo writer |
| 16:34.40 | hrw | or even abiword |
| 16:36.26 | hrw | abiword -> opendocument -> pdf -> screen |
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| 16:37.36 | koen_ | hrw: use clutter :) |
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| 16:53.23 | goxboxlive | koen_ Have there ever been an angstrom-opie-image ? |
| 16:55.45 | NAbyss | goxboxlive: no, iirc.. apparently there's nobody willing to maintain it |
| 16:55.53 | zecke | goxboxlive: sadly it is currently quite unlikely that Opie will be part of angstrom |
| 16:56.28 | zecke | goxboxlive: also it is unlikely Opie will stay in OE, but mickeyl and me are not yet sure how to handle it |
| 16:57.20 | goxboxlive | zecke: Hmm that's sad, a lot of users like Opie bether than GPE. It is more user friendly. |
| 16:57.43 | zecke | goxboxlive: It was not Dev friendly enough :) |
| 16:57.51 | koen | it is soooooo great that no-one want to maintain it |
| 16:58.09 | zecke | goxboxlive: Opie has not have a developer actively improving, maintaining it for over a year now |
| 16:58.31 | zecke | goxboxlive: so we attracted users, made good code, easily portable but failed to attract devs |
| 16:58.46 | zecke | goxboxlive: such is life. maybe one day Qtopia is Free and can be used |
| 16:59.05 | koen | zecke: qtopia free? when hell freezes over probably |
| 16:59.06 | goxboxlive | koen: I have seen some screenshots of GPE wich looks much nicer/bether than the fresh compiled. Why doesnt it come out like that ( if you know what i mean) |
| 16:59.23 | zecke | koen: wait |
| 16:59.35 | koen | goxboxlive: because some people objected to theme changes too much |
| 17:00.28 | goxboxlive | correct me if i am wrong, but GPE seems aslo slower than Opie, is that also for your devices, or is it just for the Universal? |
| 17:00.40 | koen | depends on how you configure it |
| 17:01.27 | goxboxlive | With Opie, i have at least 20MB ram free, but with GPE i have approximantly 10MB |
| 17:01.37 | koen | ? |
| 17:01.43 | koen | you were talking about speed |
| 17:01.51 | goxboxlive | no, memory |
| 17:01.55 | goxboxlive | ram |
| 17:02.04 | koen | " but GPE seems aslo slower than Opie" <- speed |
| 17:02.22 | goxboxlive | well, the less memory you have the slower gets the machine |
| 17:02.27 | koen | ? |
| 17:02.38 | koen | that's bullshit |
| 17:02.43 | goxboxlive | i am talking about free memory. |
| 17:02.45 | goxboxlive | realy? |
| 17:03.11 | zecke | koen: it is not :) |
| 17:03.17 | koen | my powerbook won't get faster if I add a gigabyte of ram |
| 17:03.21 | zecke | koen: use Gtk/GPE on a 32m machine |
| 17:03.29 | goxboxlive | In example, i cant install packages over 'ipkg install foo.ipk' because of free memory issue |
| 17:03.35 | zecke | koen: compared that to Opie which fits in 16mb ;) |
| 17:03.37 | koen | zecke: I have, use gtk 2.6 |
| 17:04.05 | goxboxlive | koen: No, of course not, but you can have more tasks active with more ram |
| 17:04.19 | zecke | koen: still needs +48mb to work |
| 17:04.30 | zecke | koen: or talk to CoreDump|afk ;) |
| 17:04.49 | koen | zecke: opie can't update my ical calendars via http, and gpe-calendar can |
| 17:05.10 | koen | which is a bit academic, since opie doesn't run on the 770 :) |
| 17:05.22 | zecke | koen: whatever. that doesn't change the basic requirement |
| 17:05.35 | koen | it changes the parameters |
| 17:05.50 | koen | I can say "busybox fits in 1 MB of ram" |
| 17:05.57 | goxboxlive | The HTC universal has 64MB ram, and the angstrom/gpe is runned from the SD card, but likely when i have used it for som minutes it gets slower. |
| 17:06.15 | koen | use XIP :) |
| 17:06.26 | zecke | koen: so if matchbox+mb-desktop+gpe needs 48mb of RAM to get usable |
| 17:06.39 | zecke | koen: and not talking about GPE calendar |
| 17:06.48 | koen | zecke: it doesn't with gtk 2.6, gtk 2.8 is a memory hog |
| 17:06.58 | koen | zecke: stop spreading FUD |
| 17:07.00 | zecke | koen: and randomly tossing foo feature of foo app is... |
| 17:07.00 | goxboxlive | I dont know what XIP is, but could there be a solution for me to add a SWAP space on my SD card? |
| 17:07.44 | NAbyss | zecke: So I should be glad I've got a Z with a microdrive to put swap on? :) |
| 17:08.45 | zecke | koen: don't be so sensitive here. It is a fact that Gtk+/KDrive+MB needs more RAM than a basic Opie (not talking about additional apps) |
| 17:09.34 | zecke | koen: and Qt is even written in C++ ;) |
| 17:09.34 | zecke | anyway, time for some tv |
| 17:10.35 | zecke | goxboxlive: but still it is unlikely Opie will remain in OpenEmbedded. But we are really not sure what to do with it |
| 17:10.35 | koen | zecke: sure, it needs more ram, but it's perfectly usuable with 32MB |
| 17:10.44 | goxboxlive | zecke: i c |
| 17:10.53 | leoncamel | how can I force building ffmpeg_cvs ? bitbake always choosing the ffmpeg_0.4.9pre1. |
| 17:10.55 | koen | zecke: create an org.openembedded.unmaintained branch for it? |
| 17:11.05 | goxboxlive | What about my SWAP qustion, could that be an solution for me? |
| 17:11.19 | koen | sure, I use swap on most of my devices |
| 17:11.53 | goxboxlive | koen: That will be a good idea, dont throw it away, someone of us still like to play with Opie |
| 17:12.15 | goxboxlive | And there might be a day someone with skills will start to maitain it. |
| 17:12.17 | koen | if someone wants to play with it, he should consider maintaining it |
| 17:12.17 | den-ros | "koen: zecke: qtopia free? when hell freezes over probably" :) I lake Qt and like Opie in past - but now i will try work only for Gpe. I think Koen right - we do not need Opie further. It is more effective work only for one direction. GPE simple need deep cleaning and some artwork to will be and work more nice even new Qtopia. I think, yet more nice if new UI will be vectoring graphics. |
| 17:12.35 | koen | I don't think gpe is the answer either |
| 17:12.43 | goxboxlive | koen: I will tru that and use a swap partition |
| 17:12.48 | koen | fwiw, I like qt 4.2, I hate qt/e |
| 17:12.53 | zecke | koen: there is a difference between getting killed by OOM and being usable |
| 17:13.13 | zecke | koen: sure GPE/GTK+ doesn't get killed on 32MB but only because the linux kernel over commits memory :) |
| 17:13.38 | koen | zecke: have you actually done measurements, are are you repeating lorns fud? |
| 17:14.01 | koen | s/are are/or are/ |
| 17:14.03 | zecke | measurements, surveys |
| 17:14.27 | koen | what did you measure, and did you document the measurement protocol? |
| 17:14.32 | gremlin[it] | hi all ... i got "Unrecognized kernel image" from bootldr ... probably because there aren't /boot/zImage in the /boot directory of rootfs directory ... :( |
| 17:14.53 | zecke | koen: fax me the signed NDA and I might give you access |
| 17:15.37 | koen | I don't have a fax |
| 17:15.45 | zecke | koen: but we can talk to one (the only) survey participant ( CoreDump|afk ) |
| 17:15.48 | koen | zecke: should we start gpg signing our blog posts? |
| 17:15.57 | koen | zecke: right, CoreDump|afk |
| 17:16.20 | zecke | :) |
| 17:16.54 | zecke | gosh I hate our physics department |
| 17:18.01 | hrw | 2cu |
| 17:18.07 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 17:18.31 | koen | zecke: 'fax', is that some new MSN thing? |
| 17:19.25 | zecke | koen: no that would be FAX live |
| 17:19.36 | koen | faxP :) |
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| 17:20.31 | CoreDump|afk | gee, you really, really, *really* don't wanna run GPE on 32M if you can avoid it |
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| 17:20.53 | zecke | I woke him up :) |
| 17:22.00 | chouimat | :) |
| 17:27.50 | CoreDump|afk | the bloody poodle is basically OOM when you hit gpe-login =) |
| 17:29.38 | siriusnova | are poodles better then collies? |
| 17:30.30 | chouimat | siriusnova: nope they are too small and annoying :) |
| 17:30.46 | siriusnova | lol |
| 17:31.01 | siriusnova | anyone here builta newer konqueror for collie on OZ? |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc5ad8766... 10/ (1 conf/distro/generic-unstable.conf conf/distro/generic.conf): |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-4 | generic-unstable.conf: remove |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-4 | generic.conf: use gcc 4.1.1 / glibc 2.4 |
| 17:53.37 | koen | let the RFC fests begin :) |
| 17:53.46 | koen | mickey|dinner: thanks for sending the summary |
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| 18:05.48 | goxboxlive | when i am making a swap partion with fdisk, do i have to make the filesystem like for ext3 (mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1) ?? |
| 18:06.45 | NAbyss | goxboxlive: mkswap |
| 18:06.53 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 18:11.55 | NAiL | koen: the oe calendar link in your mail is broken |
| 18:12.18 | koen | mickey|dinner: http://geekz.co.uk/shop/eler_knuth0_design_big.jpg |
| 18:14.46 | koen | NAiL: ah right, missed on occurence in my draft :( |
| 18:14.49 | koen | NAiL: http://openembedded.org/ical/oe-events.ics |
| 18:15.43 | zecke | time for revenge of the sith |
| 18:15.54 | zecke | goxboxlive: btw: soon(tm) Qtopia will be GPL :} |
| 18:16.41 | goxboxlive | zecke: yes i have heared about that. |
| 18:17.04 | ade|desk | zecke: how soon is soon ? |
| 18:17.06 | goxboxlive | and will you put qtopia in to OE |
| 18:17.11 | koen | zecke: january? |
| 18:17.34 | Kristoffer | RP, you there? |
| 18:18.34 | zecke | koen: dunno, Norway soon(tm)... |
| 18:18.50 | zecke | goxboxlive: if TT gurantees to regulary release GPL |
| 18:19.44 | chouimat | zecke: sound like any government soon ... |
| 18:20.16 | koen | chouimat: or like 'novell code drop' |
| 18:20.32 | chouimat | koen hehe |
| 18:21.07 | chouimat | koen "we're working on it ... but the management is too busy having their head in the ass" soon |
| 18:21.57 | koen | "Screw the community, we have paying costumers" soon |
| 18:23.52 | suihkulokki | well.. community = potential competitors, paying customers = butter to your bread |
| 18:24.03 | den-ros | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=1&topic_id=100&sortname=&sortorder=&sortdays=&viewmode=flat&start=0 |
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| 19:06.45 | likewise | chouimat: got icecream running? |
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| 19:11.49 | koen | you scream, I scream, we all scream ice-cream |
| 19:12.23 | koen | or something like that :) |
| 19:12.48 | chouimat | likewise: yup ... need to finish my ppc->i686 and my i686->ppc crosscompilers before trying the arm-linux and arm-elf ones |
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| 19:16.20 | goxboxlive | koen: I added 128MB SWAP partition and it seems to help a lot. |
| 19:18.04 | koen | zecke|later: having 6MB of ipkg lists in tmpfs isn't helping either on 32MB ram devices |
| 19:18.11 | Kristoffer | mickey|dinner, trying out konqueror. It starts (export KDEDIR and installed all helvetica fonts) but I cannot see any text (I've typed or on webpage) |
| 19:22.09 | likewise | chouimat: you are running icecream from within OE bitbake, or stand-alone? |
| 19:25.38 | likewise | chouimat: I am preparing a VMWare virtual machine, with the intention of minimizing it for icecream only. |
| 19:27.11 | chouimat | likewise: standalone ... I didn't tried it with bitbake yet ... so far it work with all the stuff I compiled even portage :) |
| 19:27.45 | likewise | chouimat: I tried it with OE last few days, works ok, I just need more machines to really scale-up :-) |
| 19:28.09 | chouimat | likewise: I currently have 4 computers so it's ok |
| 19:28.41 | chouimat | maybe I could had the 2 P200MMXs I have but I will need to hack the code a little bit |
| 19:28.44 | koen | likewise: now lets install a scheduler on OE.org and have bitbake make a tunnel automagically :) |
| 19:28.47 | chouimat | s/had/add |
| 19:29.27 | likewise | koen: I have been thinking about the tunneling, but I do not see an easy solution, do you? |
| 19:29.47 | chouimat | likewise: try openvpn :) |
| 19:30.56 | koen | likewise: can you hardcode the distcc scheduler IP ? |
| 19:31.09 | zecke|later | koen: distcc has no scheduler |
| 19:31.17 | koen | hmmm |
| 19:31.24 | zecke|later | koen: this is why there is icecream |
| 19:31.28 | koen | ah right |
| 19:32.19 | likewise | Does icecream *need* the clients to be on the same network? I know you can specify the IP address of the scheduler, but I do not know if it must be on the same network. |
| 19:33.21 | chouimat | likewise: I managed to get a client working on 192.168.2.0/24 while the scheduler was on 192.168.1.0/24 (you need to specify the scheduler ip iirc) |
| 19:33.42 | zecke|later | likewise: clients communicate with each other |
| 19:34.03 | zecke|later | likewise: as long as you have proper routes it will work |
| 19:35.06 | likewise | zecke|later: but they will need to contact the scheduler first, and that IP address can be specified. |
| 19:35.17 | zecke|later | likewise: it can |
| 19:35.26 | zecke|later | likewise: if you have a debian start script you can set an IP |
| 19:35.54 | likewise | zecke|later: I saw /etc/defaults/icecc.conf on Ubuntu. |
| 19:37.01 | zecke|later | likewise: IIRC you can set a ip address |
| 19:39.15 | likewise | koen: have all the uni's computer autoboot into the "icecream" (virtual) machine, have them autoconnect via openvpn to iscream.openembedded.com, and spawn iceccd contacting the OE scheduler |
| 19:39.57 | likewise | koen: oh, yes, and multithread bitbake on the package level |
| 19:40.31 | koen | likewise: I ehm... |
| 19:40.38 | koen | ran dnetc on the lab computers :) |
| 19:41.12 | chouimat | dnetc? |
| 19:41.26 | koen | distributed computing |
| 19:41.44 | likewise | koen: :-) |
| 19:42.15 | koen | chouimat: cracking rc5-64 |
| 19:42.30 | chouimat | koen ok |
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| 20:11.01 | Crofton|home | mtn: misuse: path _MTN/tmp/1 already exists |
| 20:11.51 | Crofton|home | any thoughts? |
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| 20:13.34 | koen | Crofton: too many local changes? |
| 20:13.47 | Crofton|home | shouldn't be |
| 20:14.32 | Crofton|home | I am thinking I should blow away the working copy and start over even |
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| 20:30.45 | RP | morning all |
| 20:30.54 | NAbyss | Morning |
| 20:30.59 | koen | good morning RP |
| 20:31.54 | koen | RP: positive feedback from angstrom users about psplash |
| 20:32.02 | koen | RP: bah, DoS'es suck |
| 20:32.07 | RP | Thankfully pine seems able to cope with a 1.1GB mbox with 163,000 messages in it... |
| 20:32.19 | RP | koen: Excellent :) |
| 20:32.40 | koen | RP: do you have the original poky png? |
| 20:32.49 | koen | Ineed to figure the shade of grey |
| 20:33.06 | RP | You'd have to ask mallum for it |
| 20:33.21 | RP | I just fixed the bugs in it ;-) |
| 20:33.27 | koen | RP: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/OE/OE-psplash.AVI |
| 20:33.32 | koen | (ipaq hx4700) |
| 20:38.35 | RP | koen: Looks good :) |
| 20:38.53 | koen | the movie lessens the contracts between white and poky grey :) |
| 20:41.03 | RP | psplash and the sysvinit changes are merged into .dev now I presume? |
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| 20:46.15 | likewise | bitbake -g $1 -I '-native' -I 'arm.*-linux-' -I 'lib(c|intl|iconv)' |
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| 20:56.50 | mickey|tv | Kristoffer: dunno about installing Helvetica, I just copied the DejaVuSans entry and _named_ it helvetica in the font configuration file. That worked here. |
| 20:57.49 | Kristoffer | mickey|tv, got it working. It needed some other fonts from qpf-qte |
| 20:57.57 | mickey|tv | good |
| 20:58.56 | CIA-4 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2a35ebf8... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): cups: remove 1.1.19, remove 1.1.20, add fakeroot-native to 1.1.23 DEPENDS |
| 20:59.07 | Kristoffer | mickey|tv, infact I think we could make konqueror depend on qpf-qte, and update the etc/rc5.d/S99opie to export KDEDIR=/usr |
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| 20:59.50 | mickey|tv | Kristoffer: feel free. I'm no longer maintaining opie. |
| 20:59.57 | Kristoffer | :D |
| 20:59.59 | Kristoffer | who does? |
| 21:00.42 | mickey|tv | no one atm. I sent a query for a successor to opie-devel |
| 21:01.31 | Kristoffer | The opie people is very quite on their irc channel :) Only managed to get replies from you, hrw and zecke |
| 21:02.20 | mickey|tv | #opie is only populated with users, not developers. |
| 21:02.24 | mickey|tv | that's probably the problem |
| 21:03.02 | mickey|tv | perhaps someone in #qtopia can help |
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| 21:10.11 | mickey|tv | RP: please remind we, will bitbake correctly translate RDEPENDS = "foo-2.6.10" into DEPENDS handling? |
| 21:10.11 | zecke | re |
| 21:10.14 | mickey|tv | wb |
| 21:11.07 | RP | mickey|tv: No. It will ignore the version in something like RDEPENDS = "foo (>= 2.6.10)" though |
| 21:11.23 | mickey|tv | RP: ah, bummer. could we make it do that? |
| 21:11.37 | mickey|tv | RP: i see the need for us specifying minimum versions in the future more and more |
| 21:11.48 | zecke | mickey|tv: and maximum |
| 21:11.57 | mickey|tv | preferably even that, yeah |
| 21:11.57 | RP | mickey|tv: I'd like to support versions in DEPENDS. I'm not sure about RDEPENDS |
| 21:12.47 | RP | mickey|tv: versioned DEPENDS are on the todo list. I agree its needed, although I don't find it very interesting ;-) |
| 21:12.47 | mickey|tv | RP: DEPENDS would be sufficient for a start |
| 21:12.53 | mickey|tv | heh |
| 21:12.56 | mickey|tv | i can understand that |
| 21:13.03 | likewise | For the bitbake dev's: I submitted a patch for regexp support for --graph --ignore-deps |
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| 21:13.42 | RP | likewise: I noticed. I haven't had time to look at the patch though |
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| 21:14.19 | koen|away | one molten linksys PSU later :( |
| 21:14.19 | kerwood | ~praise Kristoffer+zecke |
| 21:14.20 | ibot | All hail Kristoffer+zecke! |
| 21:14.30 | likewise | RP: ok, just wanted to know if I submitted it in the right place, tnx. |
| 21:14.40 | kerwood | err...Mickeyl |
| 21:14.59 | likewise | koen|away: what device did you frie? |
| 21:15.03 | likewise | ~frie |
| 21:15.13 | mickey|tv | RP: btw., i have removed most of the function-include mess. missing is glibc and gcc. and there is a bug in bitbake left that makes them appear in the wrong scopes, so that bitbake still complains. |
| 21:15.18 | koen | likewise: the wap54g fried itself |
| 21:15.34 | koen | wifi suddenly went away and a plastic smell came |
| 21:15.40 | likewise | s/frie/fry |
| 21:16.22 | likewise | koek: wow. I always wondered if those devices makes the chance of burning your own house down increase by a factor of ten... |
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| 21:16.29 | koen | time to buy a new toy tomorrow :) |
| 21:16.30 | RP | mickey|tv: Sounds good, thanks :) |
| 21:16.42 | RP | mickey|tv: I don't like the sound of the bug though :-/ |
| 21:17.00 | likewise | koen: only the PSU? |
| 21:17.23 | koen | likewise: yes, so I could replace it with another +5v one |
| 21:17.33 | koen | but the local store is having a closing sale :) |
| 21:17.34 | likewise | kerwood: smelled fried electronics at our lab means you have to buy a round of "appelflappen". |
| 21:17.53 | likewise | s/smelled/smelling |
| 21:18.04 | koen | likewise: speaking of bugs: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/index.php/v/Koen/Macro/Beestjes/IMG_6665.JPG.html?q=gallery |
| 21:18.05 | VoodooZ | psokolovsky: fyi, the sphinx guys just posted a 0.2.1 update for pocketsphinx pertaining to a fixed-point bug. |
| 21:18.24 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, hi, cool! |
| 21:18.42 | VoodooZ | It's good to see they are actively updating the software. |
| 21:18.43 | likewise | koen: Nice shot! |
| 21:18.43 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, did it build for you finally? did you test it yet? |
| 21:18.51 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, yes! |
| 21:18.54 | VoodooZ | Yep. It built ok. |
| 21:19.03 | zecke | koen: I will add a cron job for bonsai |
| 21:19.05 | VoodooZ | but I haven't been able to make it work yet. |
| 21:19.08 | koen | likewise: now you know how an ant milking an aphid looks like :) |
| 21:19.09 | zecke | hourly? |
| 21:19.22 | koen | zecke: hourly sounds ok |
| 21:19.39 | VoodooZ | The pocketsphinx_test script works but the demo one doesn't and complains about not being able to config the sound stuff. |
| 21:20.03 | koen | likewise: granted :) |
| 21:20.32 | koen | zecke: I'm behind gprs right now, so ssh is a bit painfull |
| 21:20.50 | VoodooZ | I'll try to update the .bb file but can you commit it for me? |
| 21:21.14 | zecke | 0 22 * * 1-5 mail -s "It's 10pm" joe%Joe,%%Where are your kids?% |
| 21:21.31 | VoodooZ | btw, anybody seen this error before: /bin/sh: /sbin/genksyms: No such file or directory |
| 21:21.38 | VoodooZ | What's genksyms part of? |
| 21:22.36 | mickey|tv | sounds like kernel stuff |
| 21:22.50 | koen | VoodooZ: I usually use packages.ubuntu.com to find out |
| 21:22.59 | mickey|tv | mickey@gandalf:~$ rpm -qf /sbin/genksyms |
| 21:22.59 | mickey|tv | modutils-2.4.26-5mdk |
| 21:23.02 | VoodooZ | I got this while building alsa-driver |
| 21:23.27 | VoodooZ | mickey|tv: yeah, I guess I could have done that too. :( |
| 21:25.29 | zecke | koen: could you unfuck pysvn somehow? |
| 21:25.41 | koen | zecke: I can't |
| 21:25.42 | VoodooZ | psokolovsky: of course. lucky as I am just updating the pocketsphinx's bb file to fetch the 0.2.1 file fails at the patch task. :( |
| 21:25.50 | koen | zecke: or rather, I lack the skills |
| 21:26.46 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, well, patch is simple, you should be able tp upgrade it. Or maybe, they fixed that harcodedness too? ;-) |
| 21:27.09 | zecke | http://rafb.net/paste/results/0QDpET31.html |
| 21:27.29 | VoodooZ | hehe. yeah. I'll fix it. |
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| 21:31.39 | koen | zecke: seriously, I want to fix it, but really don't know how. |
| 21:31.41 | mickey|tv | g'night guys |
| 21:31.50 | koen | mickey|tv: check your mail :) |
| 21:31.53 | RP | 'night mickey|zzZZzz |
| 21:32.15 | mickey|zzZZzz | koen: it arrived and it's appreciated! I'll gladly reply tomorrow. |
| 21:32.17 | zecke | koen: hopefully the cron job will be exected :) |
| 21:32.30 | koen | mickey|zzZZzz: good :) |
| 21:32.48 | zecke | koen: should one mail the mtn folks about bonsai? |
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| 21:33.09 | florian | hi all |
| 21:33.18 | koen | zecke: I think they'd appriciate it |
| 21:33.29 | koen | zecke: florian can fix pysvn ;) |
| 21:33.33 | koen | hey florian |
| 21:34.00 | zecke | koen: Sort by column? eek |
| 21:34.13 | zecke | koen: actually that is quite easy now :) |
| 21:34.34 | zecke | and I'm XHTML 1.0 strict! |
| 21:35.54 | koen | 1.0? |
| 21:36.01 | koen | I'm HTML 2.0 :) |
| 21:36.21 | zecke | koen: you can convert HTML2.0 to XHTML easily ;) |
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| 21:37.00 | koen | zecke: and some 'results per page' dropdown box somewhere |
| 21:37.14 | zecke | koen: ?items=x |
| 21:38.57 | zecke | koen: where may I put the code? |
| 21:39.03 | zecke | /vaw/www/oe/dl/ ? |
| 21:39.38 | koen | zecke: sure |
| 21:40.28 | koen | I will go to sleep now and be offline till I fix the PSU or buy a new AP (or both ;) ) |
| 21:40.30 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:42.50 | VoodooZ | stupid question #37812: How do you guys normally generate patches using diff? |
| 21:43.04 | VoodooZ | The way I've been using is too specific I think. |
| 21:44.14 | VoodooZ | diff -urNd <old file> <new file> right? |
| 21:49.40 | RP | VoodooZ: use quilt |
| 21:50.06 | VoodooZ | deja vu! |
| 21:50.08 | VoodooZ | :) |
| 21:50.37 | VoodooZ | although kergoth and other always told me to use quilt I never really did so I'm still a dummy. :) |
| 21:51.00 | VoodooZ | one day perhaps... |
| 21:52.52 | zecke | VoodooZ: use quilt or write a plugin for reiser4 |
| 21:52.53 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, I'm pretty satisfied with diff so far too ;-). And quilt lacks online documentation. |
| 21:53.27 | VoodooZ | psokolovsky: how do you normally generate your patch then. It's something I've never really learned properly. |
| 21:53.49 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, diff -u <old> <new> ;-) |
| 21:53.53 | VoodooZ | zecke: hehehe a plugin for reiser4! good one. |
| 21:54.11 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, then edit the patch to your likes ;-E |
| 21:54.18 | zecke | psokolovsky: I like koens one. diff -Nurd |
| 21:54.24 | zecke | I cn remember that one |
| 21:54.38 | VoodooZ | hehe |
| 21:55.06 | zecke | nite guys |
| 21:55.17 | VoodooZ | nite |
| 21:56.39 | VoodooZ | the strange thing is that configure.in file in the new pocketsphinx is almost exactly the same. does patch expect a specific date? |
| 21:57.55 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, nope ;-) patch is no magic. it just does what's specified in diff file, including checking context. |
| 21:58.04 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, context is usually a caveat |
| 22:01.44 | Laibsch | psokolovsky: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1489 ;-) |
| 22:02.42 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, Nice! |
| 22:02.44 | VoodooZ | ok. I was just being paranoid because of the header's inclusion of date/time. |
| 22:04.05 | Laibsch | Anybody know a guide on how to write a GUI for QVGA devices or embedded devices in general? You know, something like do's and dont's for embedded devices' GUI. |
| 22:08.27 | psokolovsky | Laibsch, I'm afraid, if one wants specifics, and not just common facts, one will need to look at actual patches for some software. gaim is almost the only example I know ;-( |
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| 22:13.07 | Laibsc1 | Sorry, DSL hickup. Any replies? |
| 22:14.00 | VoodooZ | psokolovsky: your patch still works. You only need to clone the pocket_sphinx .bb file and update the URL from 0.2 to 0.2.1. |
| 22:14.09 | VoodooZ | I guess the problem with me! :) |
| 22:14.14 | psokolovsky | ;-) |
| 22:15.07 | VoodooZ | I would do it myself but I don't have write access. (and that's a good thing! heheh) |
| 22:16.10 | psokolovsky | VoodooZ, ok, I'll check and commit it on free time. |
| 22:16.24 | VoodooZ | no rush. thanks again. |
| 22:16.32 | VoodooZ | Now Ihave to make it work... |
| 22:19.00 | psokolovsky | I have issues with mtn pull - hangs on "mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org". Anyone sees this? |
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| 22:25.21 | Kristoffer | Anyone aware of the "Xlib: extension "Xfree86-DGA" missing on display ":0.0" |
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| 22:37.14 | likewise | good nite all, I am of too bed. |
| 22:37.23 | likewise | s/too/to |
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