| 00:03.13 | zecke|23c3 | RP: horror, is preempt guilty? |
| 00:15.55 | RP | zecke|23c3: its possible. I should disable it and check... |
| 00:16.46 | zecke|23c3 | PREEMPT is still marked Experimental? |
| 00:18.56 | RP | zecke|23c3: it is |
| 00:34.17 | zecke|23c3 | wow I'm watching a good disturbing movie |
| 00:35.02 | jayakumar2 | hi. i've done a patch adding a recipe for softsqueeze. is it the right thing for me to post a bug on oe bugzilla with the mtn diff attached? |
| 00:35.26 | zecke|23c3 | jayakumar2: yes, and bitch us if we forget to comment :) |
| 00:35.52 | jayakumar2 | ok, cool :-) |
| 00:35.54 | zecke|23c3 | seriously, grab a stick and poke us |
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| 00:59.48 | jayakumar2 | cool. added under bug 1717 . hope it doesn't look too bad, it is my first oe patch |
| 01:09.00 | CIA-4 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rcc9abaf9... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:09.00 | CIA-4 | linux-handhelds-2.6: Add 2.6.19-hh7. |
| 01:09.00 | CIA-4 | * Replaces 2.6.19-hh6. |
| 01:09.00 | CIA-4 | * Changes since -hh6 include: |
| 01:09.00 | CIA-4 | 1. Further cleanup of codebase for 2.6.19. |
| 01:09.01 | CIA-4 | 2. Migrate away from legacy function/symbol names in Generic IRQ API. |
| 01:09.05 | CIA-4 | 3. h3900 SD/MMC and LCD pwoer management support. |
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| 01:52.05 | HYB | Hey guys |
| 01:52.21 | HYB | me and a buddy of mine wrote this script to send files from your computer to your zaurus |
| 01:52.35 | HYB | it finds the IP of your zaurus and then uses scp |
| 01:52.37 | HYB | http://crimelords.org/~hoax/zcp-FINAL.sh.txt |
| 01:52.40 | HYB | that's the code |
| 01:52.45 | HYB | it works great |
| 01:52.49 | HYB | nice and simple syntax |
| 01:53.51 | NAbyss_ | 2 |
| 01:55.58 | HYB | it's for people with unix machines <__< |
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| 08:22.54 | Ifaistos | Merry Xmas to all ! |
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| 09:10.43 | niv_one_three | ~seen mr_mice |
| 09:10.56 | ibot | niv_one_three: i haven't seen 'mr_mice' |
| 09:11.44 | niv_one_three | oh well |
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| 09:45.14 | XorA | morning |
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| 10:00.13 | koen | good morning all! |
| 10:09.01 | XorA | hey koen |
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| 10:13.08 | XorA | koen: you an older bastard? |
| 10:14.17 | koen | yep |
| 10:14.39 | koen | 24 years old |
| 10:15.00 | XorA | same age as me wife |
| 10:15.11 | rwhitby | happy b'day koen |
| 10:15.34 | koen | :) |
| 10:16.45 | XorA | so revoke koens keys for the day, so we dont get any drunken checkins :-) |
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| 10:19.05 | koen | XorA: i guess I shouldn't try to update the infrastructure on oe.org to mtn 0.32 :) |
| 10:19.44 | XorA | :-D |
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| 10:21.35 | rwhitby | koen: is that a network protocol change? |
| 10:22.03 | koen | rwhitby: no |
| 10:22.20 | koen | rwhitby: see my mails to the list from a few minutes ago :) |
| 10:22.42 | koen | it adds a extra cache table to the db |
| 10:25.00 | koen | XorA: how's the work on the remote coming along? |
| 10:26.19 | XorA | koen: I managed to get it to read the buttons last night |
| 10:26.25 | koen | cool |
| 10:26.33 | XorA | koen: now I need to clean/fix RP's test driver |
| 10:27.35 | koen | will it be exposed as an extra keypad? |
| 10:28.44 | koen | it would be neat to map the to those newfangled multimedia keys and have mediaplayers 'just work' |
| 10:28.46 | koen | (TM) |
| 10:29.49 | XorA | koen: I beleive that is the plan |
| 10:36.12 | XorA | anything in particular? |
| 10:37.53 | koen | a bunch or renames |
| 10:38.12 | koen | I bet a lot of our patches need to get rediffed |
| 10:39.16 | koen | (as usual) |
| 10:40.15 | XorA | :-D |
| 10:43.30 | koen | kdrive Xati, that is |
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| 11:04.23 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Sleeping? |
| 11:05.29 | stefan_schmidt | koen: 12:00 here, means congress started only 30 minutes ago. :) |
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| 11:08.10 | stefan_schmidt | koen: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/events/1554.en.html should be the next talk I'll see zecke and mickey|23c3 |
| 11:10.53 | blaster8 | Is Angstrom planning to use an initramfs? |
| 11:16.04 | koen | blaster8: use it for what? |
| 11:16.27 | blaster8 | for booting assistance... |
| 11:16.44 | blaster8 | i.e. to assist boot from USB/Network etc |
| 11:17.24 | koen | blaster8: that would be a choice specific to a machine |
| 11:17.47 | koen | blaster8: I think we should start with de-brainwashing you from working on slugos |
| 11:17.51 | blaster8 | but there is no neat way of building an initramfs currently in OE... |
| 11:17.51 | blaster8 | hehe |
| 11:18.20 | blaster8 | I'm thinking about what work should be done for the next release |
| 11:18.42 | koen | reduce ipx4xx.conf a 5 lines |
| 11:18.54 | koen | it contains way too much 'common' stuff |
| 11:20.20 | blaster8 | do all of Angstrom's current targets purely boot from flash? |
| 11:20.22 | koen | I seperated out the thumb stuff, so that can be removed now |
| 11:20.25 | koen | blaster8: nope |
| 11:20.39 | blaster8 | or other persistent drives... |
| 11:20.57 | koen | I boot my ep93xx from nfs, my h2200 from mmc, etc |
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| 11:22.11 | blaster8 | eek http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/include/ixp4xx.conf |
| 11:23.01 | koen | right |
| 11:24.57 | blaster8 | 'I seperated out the thumb stuff, so that can be removed now' - what does this mean exactly? |
| 11:25.32 | blaster8 | last time I checked in here uClibc building was pretty broken - has that improved? |
| 11:25.51 | blaster8 | (not suggesting that's your fault, lack of upstream release is very annoying) |
| 11:26.20 | koen | http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/include/tune-thumb.conf |
| 11:26.45 | koen | I'm waiting for uclibc .29 before doing any work on uclibc builds |
| 11:26.49 | blaster8 | same here |
| 11:27.13 | koen | (actually .30 for the nptl stuff, but .29 is a good start) |
| 11:27.32 | blaster8 | I'm thinking we may want to pull thumb support... |
| 11:28.05 | koen | thumb support is policy, the choice to enable/disable it belongs in the distro |
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| 11:29.12 | blaster8 | got it |
| 11:29.40 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/thumb/comparison.txt <- size comparision between thumb and arm packages |
| 11:30.24 | blaster8 | pretty damn minimal |
| 11:30.24 | koen | I wasn't really impressed |
| 11:30.32 | koen | only samba stands out |
| 11:30.39 | koen | samba_3.0.14a-r15_armv5te.ipk: 6920 7488 (kB) |
| 11:30.47 | blaster8 | but for what speed decrease... |
| 11:31.24 | blaster8 | I'll suggest pulling support for it from SlugOS for now, to enable at least a bit of cleanup |
| 11:33.24 | koen | slugos and all nslu2 packages need to get looked at if they are really slugos/nslu2 specific |
| 11:33.42 | koen | the sysconf stuff is usefull for more machines |
| 11:33.48 | koen | and that's just one example |
| 11:34.01 | mr_nice | niv_one_three: ping |
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| 11:38.52 | blaster8 | briefly going back to the initramfs thing - it really annoys me |
| 11:39.15 | blaster8 | there was going to be a minimal libc in the kernel, but development has completely stalled |
| 11:39.44 | koen | klibc? |
| 11:39.45 | blaster8 | so to create a minimal initramfs you have to produce a second uclibc toolchain |
| 11:40.23 | blaster8 | which is non-trivial, especially given that uClibc is old/broken atm |
| 11:41.10 | koen | and uclibc svn has problems with linux-libc-headers |
| 11:41.23 | blaster8 | not a great situation... |
| 11:41.33 | mr_nice | blaster8: dietlibc is also nice |
| 11:41.41 | blaster8 | heard it was very very buggy |
| 11:41.57 | koen | blaster8: see line 11 thru 15 of http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc |
| 11:42.20 | koen | the DEPLOY_DIR trick will save you a lot of headaches |
| 11:42.32 | blaster8 | ooh |
| 11:42.57 | koen | otherwise you end up with a mixed glibc/uclibc deploy/ipk dir |
| 11:43.36 | blaster8 | ok... so can one distro compile two toolchains? in theory and neatly? |
| 11:43.42 | koen | yes |
| 11:44.05 | koen | you need to 'inherit multimachine' |
| 11:44.59 | koen | koen@bitbake:/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work$ ls |
| 11:44.59 | koen | all-angstrom-linux-gnueabi armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi h5000-angstrom-linux-gnueabi i686-linux |
| 11:45.32 | blaster8 | great |
| 11:45.33 | koen | uclibc use a 'uclibcgnueabi' as a suffix, so that gets separated out by default |
| 11:46.55 | blaster8 | so eventually (theoretically) we can come under the angstrom umbrella AND build our two userlands (uclibc/initramfs & glibc/rootfs) |
| 11:48.03 | koen | yes |
| 11:48.16 | koen | apart from there being no 'angstrom umbrella' :) |
| 11:48.32 | blaster8 | well, nearly right |
| 11:49.29 | blaster8 | then we can remove the two stage flash piggy-back boot thing from SlugOS :) |
| 11:49.54 | koen | you discover lots of new and exciting stuff when trying to build weird distro/machine combos |
| 11:50.02 | blaster8 | initramfs makes the decision whether to boot from USB disk (by UUID) or from flash |
| 11:50.41 | koen | one pivot_root less |
| 11:51.08 | blaster8 | well, it's switch_root with initramfs, but yeah |
| 11:52.01 | blaster8 | and initramfs can handle netconsole/nfs booting too, hopefully |
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| 11:52.26 | koen | mickey|23c3 and I were thinking about a initramfs to do a netinstall on machines that could support that |
| 11:52.57 | blaster8 | initramfs is a very good idea, but it needed to be followed through |
| 11:53.25 | blaster8 | personally, I reckon that all of which root disk to mount logic should have been moved to userspace |
| 11:53.46 | blaster8 | and the kernel guys taken over maintainership of this very minimal early userspace |
| 11:54.17 | koen | that wouldn't work |
| 11:54.23 | blaster8 | why? |
| 11:54.25 | koen | just look at the debacle udev is |
| 11:54.39 | koen | every new release needs a newer kernel |
| 11:54.52 | blaster8 | that would be ok if udev came with the kernel... |
| 11:55.03 | koen | and kernel people jsut don't understand that people don't run 2.6.released-yesterday |
| 11:56.00 | blaster8 | btw, nslu2 bugs are leading the charge on lkml :) |
| 11:56.45 | blaster8 | http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/28/40 |
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| 11:58.55 | blaster8 | mm is apparently a bit of a nightmare |
| 12:02.24 | koen | blaster8: does the nlsu2 suffer from the cache coherency issues described on LAK? |
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| 12:05.03 | blaster8 | I definitely haven't seen it |
| 12:05.11 | blaster8 | but I don't see why we should not be affected |
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| 12:08.06 | Jin^eLD | huhu |
| 12:08.55 | blaster8 | koen: Nico Pitre's latest post makes for scary reading |
| 12:09.29 | blaster8 | 'I thought that XScale most probably inherited a couple SA odd behaviors … and despite not being documented anywhere doing the same alternating flush regions on XScale made the flush bug go away. So this issue wasn't investigated any further at that point.' |
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| 12:18.13 | blaster8 | koen: how does angstrom handle /dev? |
| 12:19.08 | blaster8 | I'm not entirely happy with the half-static half-dynamic setup we use in SlugOS atm |
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| 12:36.33 | koen | blaster8: udev, but you need some static mappings |
| 12:36.56 | koen | blaster8: I lost some hours to find out you need a /dev/console before udev can run |
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| 12:43.04 | blaster8 | thanks |
| 12:43.06 | blaster8 | gtg |
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| 12:56.41 | pb_ | hi zecke|23c3 |
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| 13:36.49 | easy | hi. does anyone have experiences with embedded browsers that come along with a late version of the flash plugin? |
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| 14:10.14 | koen | ~hail RP |
| 14:10.25 | ibot | ACTION bows down to RP and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 14:26.52 | RP | koen: :) |
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| 14:43.21 | Orkie | a stupid question: how do you make a bb file? |
| 14:43.49 | Orkie | i want to cross compile a custom version of sdl 1.2.9, and i can't work out how to do it |
| 14:44.24 | Jin^eLD | Orkie: a stupid answer would be - with vi :) Well, I started by looking at existing .bb files |
| 14:44.41 | Jin^eLD | I think there is a .bb file for sdl already, if it does not match your version you could try adapting it |
| 14:45.03 | Orkie | i tried that, but it seemed to build an x86 version instead of arm |
| 14:45.24 | Jin^eLD | .bb file just defines how a package should be build in OE, it does not define the architecture |
| 14:45.41 | Jin^eLD | you have to select a distro and a target machine |
| 14:45.55 | Orkie | oh, i've got other packages compiled for arm fine |
| 14:46.22 | Orkie | what has thrown me is that it doesn't seem to use the configure scripts |
| 14:46.32 | Jin^eLD | sdl? |
| 14:46.34 | Jin^eLD | or what? |
| 14:46.47 | Orkie | bitbake |
| 14:47.02 | Jin^eLD | it does |
| 14:47.15 | Orkie | i know exactly how to cross compile this sdl manually, i just can't work out how to pass bitbake the options it needs |
| 14:47.21 | Jin^eLD | it's the inherit autoconf stuff |
| 14:47.44 | Jin^eLD | have you looked at the libsdl-x11_1.2.9.bb? |
| 14:48.06 | Jin^eLD | you see the EXTRA_OECONF = stuff? those are the parameters for configure |
| 14:48.15 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:48.21 | Orkie | ah |
| 14:48.28 | Jin^eLD | but target architecture and so on is set elsewhere, so I wonder why you are having this problem |
| 14:48.31 | Jin^eLD | hi chouimat |
| 14:48.44 | Orkie | so i shouldn't need to pass --target etc? |
| 14:48.53 | Jin^eLD | no |
| 14:49.17 | Orkie | i'll give it another go then |
| 14:49.28 | Jin^eLD | you have to select target + distro in your local conf |
| 14:49.40 | Jelle | I am trying to do a build using a MasterMakefile, but end up with the error: ERROR: Exception:exceptions.UnboundLocalError Message:local variable 'md5data' referenced before assignment (quilt complains) |
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| 14:49.48 | Jelle | any tips on that? |
| 14:51.17 | Jelle | (first time I try to bake a nslu2 image on my mac) |
| 14:54.22 | koen | Jelle: running OSX? |
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| 14:55.43 | koen | Jelle: building on OSX is largely untested, have a look at http://www.openembedded.org/buildonosx |
| 14:57.42 | Orkie | Jin^eLD: no idea what i've done, but it works now - thanks for your help :D |
| 14:58.05 | Jin^eLD | Orkie: no problem :) |
| 14:59.27 | Jelle | koen: well, it is time to test it.. :) |
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| 15:20.25 | easy | hi. does anyone have experiences with embedded browsers that come along with a late version of the flash plugin? |
| 15:32.01 | philippe | easy: well seen the closed state of flash, no really available arm-based plugin and current gnash system requirements (same for flash 9) you will soon be out of luck with that. |
| 15:33.39 | philippe | easy: the only linux machine with a browser and flash I know about is the Nokia 770 and it only has flash 6 with opera. And the machine is too slow for some flash animations already (more the fault of flash than anything else) |
| 15:34.04 | easy | i heard of flash lite. unfortunately, it is not available for linux |
| 15:34.56 | easy | it's a customer decision :/ |
| 15:35.18 | easy | thanks for your ideas |
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| 15:35.50 | philippe | easy: well there is nothing much you can do except talk to macromedia.... |
| 15:36.13 | philippe | easy: which will cost you lots and lots of money. Hope your customer has that. |
| 15:37.08 | easy | he'll definitely priorize a free solution :) |
| 15:37.26 | easy | macromedia even charges per unit |
| 15:38.10 | CIA-4 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r34a5a68b... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): linux-rp: Add xscale_cache_workaround patch to fix segfaults until we find a better solution |
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| 16:17.32 | CIA-4 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re06c1912... 10/ (1 packages/libschedule/libschedule_0.16.bb): libschedle: clean up and add dependency on libgpewidget |
| 16:17.42 | chouimat | lalala |
| 16:21.33 | RP | koen: Angstrom should be good to go with the removal of the Heisenburg now? :) |
| 16:22.13 | koen | RP: fit for general testing |
| 16:23.03 | RP | koen: Are there any other known EABI problems? |
| 16:23.26 | koen | gdb and strace |
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| 16:24.07 | RP | koen: gdb 6.6 compiled for me yesterday. I don't know if its any better than 6.4 for EABI... |
| 16:24.09 | koen | and shit like the compulab kernel modules |
| 16:25.10 | koen | RP: http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1573 is still a pretty big list |
| 16:25.24 | RP | koen: strace has EABI issues even with the patches we have? |
| 16:25.38 | koen | issues is a big word |
| 16:25.48 | koen | scary warning about umoven and stuff |
| 16:26.34 | RP | I'd go through some of these bugs after the cache fix as I think some could be solved by it |
| 16:26.43 | RP | gpe-info segfault for example |
| 16:28.08 | RP | The fix solved both Xfbdev segfaults and the infamous loadkeys segfault for me... |
| 16:28.59 | koen | gpe-info might have weird expectations about pcmcia-cs being present |
| 16:29.12 | koen | or all sorts of arcane touchscreen interfaces |
| 16:29.41 | RP | If that was the case, I'd remove it from angstrom images ;-) |
| 16:32.52 | zecke|23c3 | RP: you rock! |
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| 16:40.31 | RP | zecke|23c3: :) |
| 16:40.38 | RP | I can think about bitbake hacking now... |
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| 16:47.41 | do13 | morning all |
| 16:47.47 | RP | hi Dirk |
| 16:48.13 | do13 | hey Richard |
| 16:48.24 | do13 | RP: do you have a sec? |
| 16:48.53 | RP | do13: yes |
| 16:49.09 | do13 | RP: does symlinking eventx -> touchscreen0 works for you? |
| 16:49.20 | RP | do13: yes |
| 16:49.53 | RP | do13: Whats the modalias of the device you're having problems with? |
| 16:50.01 | RP | do13: Also, is it a recent udev? |
| 16:50.39 | do13 | RP: udev is 092 |
| 16:50.51 | do13 | RP: modalias is "input:b0000v0000p0000e0000-e0,3,kra0,1,18,mlsfw" |
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| 16:52.05 | RP | do13: udev 092 is fine. I think its the lack of e1 that might cause it |
| 16:52.13 | RP | See udev's local.rules file |
| 16:52.16 | do13 | RP: yep |
| 16:52.28 | do13 | RP: if i change this it's working |
| 16:52.53 | RP | I think that is a button event? |
| 16:53.32 | RP | EV_KEY |
| 16:53.46 | RP | The udev rule needs to be relaxed... |
| 16:54.01 | do13 | RP: ok , the corgi driver sends key events |
| 16:54.53 | RP | do13: Yes, but touchscreens don't have to. It was just based on corgi and I thought they did at the time :) |
| 16:55.28 | koen | that might be the trouble on htcuniversal as well |
| 16:57.23 | RP | I'll push a fix |
| 16:58.10 | do13 | RP: thx |
| 16:58.24 | do13 | koen: which probs on thcuniversal? |
| 16:59.20 | CIA-4 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r17fc8ade... 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): udev: Update touchscreen rule so it doesn't require the touchscreen to have EV_KEY support |
| 17:00.00 | koen | do13: no symlink for eventX |
| 17:01.32 | koen | wasn't that something else? |
| 17:01.43 | koen | I know I relaxed the rule for hx4700 |
| 17:02.04 | RP | koen: It could have been, yes. I thought we'd made a change once before... |
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| 17:05.23 | koen | http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/view/rev/17767/ |
| 17:06.00 | koen | +SUBSYSTEM=="input", KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", SYSFS{modalias}=="input:*-e0,1*,3,*a0,1,*18,*", SYMLINK+="input/touchscreen0" |
| 17:06.01 | koen | -SUBSYSTEM=="input", KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", SYSFS{modalias}=="input:*-e0,1*,3,*k*14A,*a0,1,*18,*", SYMLINK+="input/touchscreen0" |
| 17:07.31 | RP | Interesting that the hx4700 advertises EV_KEY but no k* actual key events :} |
| 17:08.09 | Ifaistos | Greetings |
| 17:08.15 | koen | hey Ifaistos |
| 17:08.24 | RP | hi Ifaistos |
| 17:08.37 | Ifaistos | Merry Xmass to all |
| 17:08.47 | Ifaistos | koen happy birthday :) |
| 17:08.58 | koen | Ifaistos: thanks :) |
| 17:09.06 | RP | koen: When you rebuilt kernels, did you apply the xscale patch to machines outside of linux-rp? |
| 17:09.34 | koen | RP: no, I'm only rebuilding linux-rp machines |
| 17:09.51 | RP | koen: Anything xscale is probably open to the bug |
| 17:09.55 | koen | yeah |
| 17:10.12 | koen | but I'll leave it to psokolovsky to get the fix into hh.org cvs |
| 17:10.30 | koen | agnstrom is using 2.6.16 for those machines anyway |
| 17:10.35 | RP | koen: ok, I just wanted to make sure you knew that :) |
| 17:10.36 | do13 | koen: your birthday today? happy birthday |
| 17:10.41 | psokolovsky | Hi! |
| 17:10.42 | psokolovsky | koen, yep, will commit soon ;-) |
| 17:10.49 | RP | 2.6.16 is actually probably open to the bug too... |
| 17:10.50 | koen | do13: yes, thanks! |
| 17:11.01 | psokolovsky | koen, Happy Birthday! |
| 17:11.01 | RP | koen: happy birthday :) |
| 17:11.09 | do13 | koen: how old are you? |
| 17:11.10 | koen | :) |
| 17:11.11 | koen | 24 |
| 17:11.36 | do13 | Are you counting in hex? |
| 17:11.45 | koen | heh |
| 17:11.52 | Jin^eLD | lol :)) |
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| 17:13.54 | Jin^eLD | oh, birthday? happy birthday koen :) |
| 17:14.11 | Jin^eLD | in hex i probably had to shoot myself |
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| 17:32.13 | HopsNBarley | NAiL, was it you that was working on the QNAP? |
| 17:32.38 | NAiL | HopsNBarley: "working" and "working" |
| 17:32.47 | NAiL | I haven't touched it for some time. |
| 17:33.20 | HopsNBarley | just got my 201 yesterday. nicely made hardware all around. |
| 17:33.29 | NAiL | I'm impressed by the 101 |
| 17:33.59 | NAiL | (except that two of the screws to fasten the hdd broke right off) |
| 17:34.08 | HopsNBarley | we measured the 201 at 20W with two 7200 rpm sata drives spinning. |
| 17:34.46 | HopsNBarley | got the console working right away... but u-boot doesn't have any ethernet compiled in. did you flash over the serial line (kermit) |
| 17:39.35 | NAiL | HopsNBarley: Haven't flashed. Waiting for a converter so I can debug ;9 |
| 17:39.44 | koen | Jin^eLD: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=mediatomb |
| 17:41.15 | Jin^eLD | cool! :) allthough I am not sure if you maybe should wait till the release before it becomes part of a distro; this is still dev code and allthough it works it needs quite some testing :> |
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| 17:48.48 | Gerrath | Koen, Happy birthday :-) |
| 17:52.19 | koen | thanks :) |
| 18:02.49 | anushsh | koen : happy bday :) |
| 18:03.11 | koen | thanks :) |
| 18:08.21 | niv_one_three | happy birthday |
| 18:08.46 | niv_one_three | btw , koen , u got a blog? |
| 18:09.09 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/ |
| 18:09.17 | kergoth | hey koen, happy birthday. how old? |
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| 18:09.29 | koen | 24 years young :) |
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| 18:14.06 | HopsNBarley | koen, wow! lotta good stuff ahead. Happy Birthday! |
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| 18:15.48 | HopsNBarley | does ARCH=ppc == powerpc for kernel >= 2.6.15 ? |
| 18:16.09 | koen | HopsNBarley: sort off |
| 18:16.17 | koen | HopsNBarley: they are migrating |
| 18:16.31 | HopsNBarley | yeah, flat device tree and such. not finished? |
| 18:16.40 | koen | my efika board has half the stuff in ppc and the other half in powerpc |
| 18:16.41 | niv_one_three | koen: thanks for posting the FIC spec. I know I sound to obsest about it. sorry about it. I guess I have a lousy love life ;-) |
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| 18:33.58 | CIA-4 | 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r67bd2a01... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): |
| 18:33.58 | CIA-4 | angstrom-2007.1: Add h3900 to supported machines, requires fresh kernel. |
| 18:33.58 | CIA-4 | * Approved by Koen Kooi. |
| 18:34.45 | HopsNBarley | is anybody using imagemagick? |
| 18:35.05 | Jin^eLD | HopsNBarley: I do occasionally, I think I even tried using their library to code something |
| 18:35.58 | HopsNBarley | there are some current build problems. i was looking to partner up to verify fixes. |
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| 18:36.41 | Jin^eLD | I have to admit I did not try it in OE yet |
| 18:36.50 | HopsNBarley | okay. |
| 18:49.12 | koen | psokolovsky: don't forget FEED_ARCH_h3900 |
| 18:49.56 | psokolovsky | koen, ok! |
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| 19:45.24 | Gerrath | RP, the USB gadget patch on your site for the PXA270 is it pretty stable? I want to use it to make my board look like a mass storage device. It seems to be working for me, however it seems a little slow and also it does not seem to respond to windows when I try to disconnect, I always get a message (on the windows box side) saying I need to wait.. |
| 19:47.18 | Gerrath | RP, interesting is it seems to work at a nice speed unless I'm mapping it to my mmc (uSD) device. I guess I need to look at that module :-/ |
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| 19:59.50 | Orkie | does anybody know how to mount a yaffs2 image as loopback? |
| 19:59.57 | Orkie | i want to extract a directory tree/file listing from one |
| 20:00.15 | Orkie | so far i've managed to build a module for my main pc, but it won't mount |
| 20:01.27 | NAbyss_ | jffs2 FSes are hard to loopback; IIRC they need to be mounted on block flash devices.. |
| 20:01.27 | Orkie | damn... is there any way of extracting a listing from it without mounting then? |
| 20:01.39 | NAbyss_ | Couldn't tell you off the top of my head.. might be worth googling around for the jffs2 project homepage, or alternately, generate jffs2 and tar images |
| 20:02.34 | Orkie | it isn't actually my image - it is one i want to look inside to see how the official firmware works |
| 20:02.41 | NAbyss_ | Ahh |
| 20:02.58 | NAbyss_ | There are ways to do a loopback; I can't remember exactly how though |
| 20:03.00 | NAbyss_ | It's a bit hacky |
| 20:03.53 | Orkie | i think i may have found something about mtdram. i'll give it a go quickly |
| 20:05.47 | koen | yeah, you have to emulate a mtd backend |
| 20:06.29 | koen | 3 or 4 years ago |
| 20:16.48 | RP | Gerrath: Also look at the DMA - I've had reports of problems but it might be fixed now |
| 20:17.02 | CIA-4 | 03dirk 07org.oe.dev * r3961d9fa... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/tosa-2.6.conf): conf/machine/include/tosa-2.6.conf: remove obsolete file |
| 20:17.31 | Gerrath | RP, the DMA for the gadget driver, or the mmc (SD)? |
| 20:17.50 | RP | Gerrath: gadget driver. I can't speak for your mmc driver |
| 20:18.09 | Gerrath | RP, I had to disable the DMA for it to work at all. |
| 20:20.12 | RP | Gerrath: How recent was that code? I made a DMA tweak recently |
| 20:23.38 | Gerrath | RP, I was using your patch: usb_pxa27x_udc-r1.patch |
| 20:24.02 | Gerrath | RP, I think I grabbed it about 1 month ago. |
| 20:24.47 | RP | Gerrath: There's a -r3 there now which some fixes (and updates to make it work properly with 2.6.19) |
| 20:25.02 | Gerrath | RP, I'm using 2.6.17-rc5 kernel.. I guess I could update my kernel. |
| 20:25.53 | RP | Gerrath: It should still run with 2.6.17 |
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| 20:26.43 | RP | hi mickey|hotel |
| 20:27.11 | mickey|hotel | hey RP |
| 20:27.12 | Gerrath | RP, ok thanks.. There are so many patches on your site (which is a good thing) I'm never sure which ones to use.. I see there are several for the PXA270 MMC, which I'm using as well. Is there a file (or site) discribing the patches? |
| 20:27.32 | mickey|hotel | RP: got any further with that mind boggling VM bug? |
| 20:27.45 | RP | Gerrath: The linux-rp kernel .bb files are usually a good guide ;-) |
| 20:28.27 | RP | mickey|hotel: We have a "fix". The bug is at least cornered, pending some thoughts from people who actually understand the Xscale minicache (rmk/nico) ;-) |
| 20:28.46 | Gerrath | RP, so it is pretty safe to apply all the patches in that file. |
| 20:29.15 | RP | Gerrath: Apart from the ones marked as hacks, yes |
| 20:29.17 | mickey|hotel | RP: ok, that's a very good result |
| 20:29.25 | Gerrath | RP, thanks again. |
| 20:29.34 | RP | mickey|hotel: It fixes Angstrom nicely :) |
| 20:30.05 | RP | mickey|hotel: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/archive/xscale_cache_workaround-r0.patch |
| 20:30.18 | do13 | hey mickey|hotel |
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| 20:36.01 | mickey|hotel | cheers do13 |
| 20:37.19 | mickey|hotel | RP: nasty. why didn't we stumble over this w/ earlier kernels? |
| 20:38.50 | mickey|hotel | do13: did you manage to book the same flight? |
| 20:39.05 | RP | mickey|hotel: Luck? :-/ |
| 20:39.25 | do13 | mickey|hotel: yep. on friday we have the same flight |
| 20:39.39 | RP | mickey|hotel: I think this access pattern only happens in glibc >= 2.4 |
| 20:40.36 | mickey|hotel | do13: great! |
| 20:40.39 | mickey|hotel | RP: i see |
| 20:40.46 | mickey|hotel | ~seen koen |
| 20:40.58 | ibot | koen <n=koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 34m 29s ago, saying: '3 or 4 years ago'. |
| 20:42.00 | mickey|hotel | btw., anyone know whether we still have the dropbear SIGSEGV in 2.5/OABI? |
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| 20:42.08 | mickey|hotel | ~hail zecke|23c3 |
| 20:42.11 | ibot | ACTION bows down to zecke|23c3 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 20:42.19 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: hey! |
| 20:42.24 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: Don't run?! |
| 20:42.39 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: what do the thousand lines look like to define a GType? |
| 20:42.56 | RP | mickey|hotel: Any segfault on xscale with glibc >=2.4 needs retesting with that patch applied :-/ |
| 20:44.04 | mickey|hotel | zecke|23c3: i have a newgobject.py, but I need to reboot into Linux to access it. I'll mail it to you later tonite |
| 20:44.32 | do13 | mickey|hotel: with the cache workaround dropbear works |
| 20:45.16 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: you are in linux now anyway? you do mails on windows? |
| 20:45.16 | zecke|23c3 | BTW: mickeyl or his wife made my mobile crash |
| 20:45.18 | mickey|hotel | do13: cool, thanks for confirming |
| 20:45.34 | mickey|hotel | zecke|23c3: i'm on win atm. *cough* let me reboot into Linux... |
| 20:45.45 | zecke|23c3 | hehe, no wait :) |
| 20:45.49 | zecke|23c3 | I can't access mail anyway |
| 20:46.40 | RP | If anyone finds that workaround patch fixes previous problems, can they please mention it to me. I'm going to need evidence to get mainline to take it seriously |
| 20:47.31 | RP | If I can say it fixed x different mysertious userspace crashes, that adds weight to my arguments... |
| 20:47.46 | RP | Particuarly accross two ABIs :) |
| 20:48.26 | mickey|hotel | right |
| 20:48.40 | mickey|hotel | Crofton_ was the first who identified that dropbear problem on OABI |
| 20:53.46 | zecke|23c3 | RP: what is the performance impact? |
| 20:54.32 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: do you have a offline copy of gtk doc? or can you search me the URL? |
| 20:54.36 | zecke|23c3 | (glib/gobject doc might make sense as well). The net is crappy ATM |
| 20:54.49 | RP | zecke|23c3: Shouldn't be too bad. Its certainly lighter than a complete dcache flush |
| 20:55.40 | mickey|hotel | zecke|23c3: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.2/gobject/howto-gobject-code.html might help |
| 20:55.58 | mickey|hotel | like i said, i have a newgobject.py that asks you a couple of questions and then generates .c/.h for you |
| 20:56.18 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: got a all in one version? I could retry a wget a lot of times |
| 20:56.25 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: downloading mail is next to impossible :) |
| 20:57.56 | mickey|hotel | can you download http://le-hacker.org/papers/gobject/gobject-book-a4.pdf ? |
| 20:58.00 | mickey|hotel | it helped me a lot |
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| 21:00.49 | mickey|hotel | anjuta contains a gtype wizard as well |
| 21:01.01 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: no net, no download :) |
| 21:01.33 | mickey|hotel | bummer, how do you IrC then? :) |
| 21:03.34 | mickey|hotel | ok, when you have net again, do that: |
| 21:03.38 | mickey|hotel | http://burtonini.com/cgi/gobject.py |
| 21:03.49 | mickey|hotel | that does roughly the same as my stuff |
| 21:03.54 | mickey|hotel | it's a cgi app :) |
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| 21:09.14 | koen | hey mickey|hotel |
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| 21:10.46 | mickey|hotel | wb ich, did you get my last link= |
| 21:10.47 | mickey|hotel | ? |
| 21:10.48 | mickey|hotel | yo koen |
| 21:11.14 | mickey|hotel | ~praise koen for new fontconfig version |
| 21:11.19 | ibot | All hail koen for new fontconfig version! |
| 21:11.25 | mickey|hotel | most of our aliasing problems are gone |
| 21:11.43 | koen | mickey|hotel: xora added it :) |
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| 21:12.47 | mickey|hotel | anyway, performance is much better than 4 weeks ago |
| 21:13.22 | koen | cool |
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| 21:14.12 | Gerrath | RP, the usb_pxa27x_udc-r3.patch fails with the 2.6.17 kernel.. I'll check and see if it is an easy fix. |
| 21:15.04 | mickey|hotel | koen: isn't your birthday very near? |
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| 21:15.20 | koen | mickey|hotel: near as in today :) |
| 21:15.22 | mickey|hotel | koen: CONGRATS! |
| 21:15.33 | mickey|hotel | 26 ? |
| 21:15.36 | koen | 24 |
| 21:15.51 | mickey|hotel | youngster :) |
| 21:15.56 | koen | old man :) |
| 21:16.08 | mickey|hotel | *nod* all the best! did you get some gadgets? |
| 21:16.28 | koen | nope |
| 21:17.01 | mickey|hotel | what else? |
| 21:17.24 | koen | a robert jordan book! |
| 21:17.27 | ich | koen: hey!!! |
| 21:17.40 | koen | 812 pages of glorious fantasy |
| 21:17.42 | mickey|hotel | nice |
| 21:17.42 | koen | hey ich |
| 21:18.08 | mickey|hotel | ich: http://burtonini.com/cgi/gobject.py (just in case you missed it before) |
| 21:18.38 | koen | mickey|hotel: tried 'spuug' yet? |
| 21:18.55 | ich | mickey|hotel: net is really crappy though :( |
| 21:19.10 | koen | http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/spuug/ |
| 21:19.38 | mickey|hotel | d'oh. never came across that |
| 21:19.50 | mickey|hotel | i ended up writing my own boilerplate generator in pyhton |
| 21:21.10 | koen | who asked the question about atk? |
| 21:21.18 | koen | mickey|hotel? ich? |
| 21:21.27 | mickey|hotel | zecke^wich |
| 21:21.49 | koen | ah right |
| 21:22.22 | koen | zecke|23c3: I double checked: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=gtk%2B |
| 21:22.47 | koen | gtk depends on atk, so you could unleash dogtail or ltsp on moko/gpe/poky |
| 21:25.05 | mickey|hotel | g'night |
| 21:25.11 | koen | 'night mickey|hotel |
| 21:25.12 | mickey|hotel | koen: celebrate! |
| 21:25.18 | mickey|hotel | :) |
| 21:25.39 | zecke|23c3 | mickey|hotel: hmm GtkWindow is base class of GtkWidget? |
| 21:25.39 | mickey|hotel | zecke|23c3: see ya tomorrow |
| 21:25.45 | zecke|23c3 | hehe, take care |
| 21:25.48 | mickey|hotel | no, vice versa |
| 21:25.51 | mickey|hotel | thanks |
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| 21:47.01 | NAiL | HopsNBarley: I'll set up the TS101 with a serial port in a couple of weeks, when I get my shipment from Sparkfun |
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| 22:49.16 | rwhitby | ~convert 54.31 GBP to USD |
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| 23:07.05 | RP | XorA: Finished the driver yet? :) |
| 23:07.28 | XorA | RP: I got hijacked to do DIY |
| 23:07.53 | XorA | shit I need more ram :-( |
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| 23:11.07 | XorA | RP: congrats on narrowing down the segfault problem BTW |
| 23:18.05 | RP | XorA: thanks :) |
| 23:18.25 | RP | I can't decide if the dcache should need flushing there or not... |
| 23:19.13 | XorA | no good asking me, thats years ahead of my kernel voodoo |
| 23:19.32 | RP | The problem is its ahead of mine too ;-) |
| 23:19.56 | XorA | took me long enough to get s3c24xx to make i2s clocks |
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| 23:21.52 | RP | I don't think anyone understands all of the kernel. You just understand areas of it... |
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| 23:22.15 | XorA | oh, I meant to ask, there are some comments beside enable/disableirq in your driver, saying they are bad and shouldnt be here. I can see why they are I also think they can be done away with by having a flag that tells irq we are inside the timer, do you think that is a good approach |
| 23:24.24 | RP | I can't make up my mind about that. It probably depends how often the irq triggers if you don't disable it. If it keeps triggering it should be disabled. If it just triggers a handful of times (maybe due to bounces) then stops, then a flag might be more optimal |
| 23:25.46 | XorA | ok, Ill stick some debugging in there to count irq's |
| 23:25.53 | RP | Sounds good |
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