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01:59.03stelios-phoenixhello all !
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03:23.56sakomanscruggs: pong
03:25.54scruggssakoman: get it working?
03:27.01sakomanyes!
03:27.30scruggsawesome!
03:27.30sakomantrying to get it to autoload at boot now
03:27.49scruggsI might be able to help you there
03:28.17scruggswhat is your approach now to get it to autoload?
03:28.57sakoman/etc/network/interfaces & /etc/modprobe.conf
03:29.19sakomanas well as specifying autoload in the conf
03:29.52scruggsI didn't realize using /etc/modprobe.conf would work - I'll have to give that a shot
03:30.21scruggsI'm specifying pcmcia to load in the machine.conf
03:30.38scruggsand then have an init script to load pxa2xx-cs
03:31.08scruggsI haven't tried loading all the way up to the mcf25 driver, but that's what I'm working on now
03:31.10sakomanjust tried it -- sort of works, but does give an error message:
03:31.17sakomanBUG: scheduling while atomic: iwconfig/0x00000001/412
03:31.34sakomanBut the network works after that
03:31.37scruggsthe current buildroot for gumstix does that too
03:31.45sakomanAh, OK
03:31.51scruggsyep - still works after the message
03:32.13scruggsbut for autoloading the modules you have to make sure pcmcia is loaded
03:32.20scruggsbefore loading pxa2xx-cs
03:32.24sakomansure, I do that
03:32.58scruggsand adding both of them to do that in the machine.conf causes the stix to freeze during boot (at least it does for me)
03:33.27scruggsso I wrote the init script to run after udev starts and after all the other 'autoload' modules have been loaded
03:33.56sakomanI'm working off a custom machine and image, with angstrom as the distro
03:34.05scruggswith that I think even if you tell the mcf25 module to 'autoload' the wifi will still work once the pxa2xx-cs module has been loaded
03:34.43scruggsyeah, I've modified the machine confs for the .dev branch too, and am using a custom image
03:35.44sakomanSeemed to have no choice if I wanted to get the size down to match buildroot
03:36.13scruggsI'm starting to see that too
03:37.04scruggsbut in my case I have attached cf as storage,so being able to tell an ipkg to install there makes size not as much of an issue for me
03:37.06sakomanI only autoload pcmcia and mcf25 (& some usb gadget stuff) and have no freeze issues
03:37.31scruggsthen once you boot you load pxa2xx-cs with modprobe?
03:37.46sakomanNope, don't have to do anything by hand
03:38.25sakomanjust use the mods to modprobe.conf and network/interfaces
03:38.45scruggsso do you actually create the modprobe.conf file?
03:40.11sakomanyes, you should override modutils with the collection feature and put the modprobe.conf from buildroot in a machine directory in modutils/files
03:40.37sakomanI assume your image includes task-boot?
03:40.37scruggsahhh... ok
03:41.09scruggsactually my image just iherits angstrom-minimal-image and adds to it
03:41.11sakomanThat's where modutils-initscripts gets specified as a dependency
03:42.05scruggsI bet thats where you setup the interfaces file for netbase too - I notices a number of other distros do that
03:42.29scruggsI'm slowly learning how oe works :)
03:42.34sakomanSimilar exercise for network/interfaces using the netbase package
03:42.50sakomanSame here
03:43.52scruggsnot sure if you need it, but I tested the sound stuff and the gps on a gpsstix and it all worked just fine 1st time
03:44.33sakomanCool!  No sound for my device, so I haven't tried it
03:45.09scruggsI was amazed when it worked
03:45.34scruggsI'm so used to sound NOT working with buildroot that I haven't even tried it in months
03:45.53scruggsto have it work on the first try was great
03:46.10sakomanI'll be glad to get over this OE learning phase and get back to real work!
03:46.33scruggssame here my friend!
03:47.16sakomanI'm finally within about 1MB of the old buildroot image
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03:47.48sakomanNeed to figure out why gnuplot pulls in libstdc++ and I'll be just about at parity!
03:47.57scruggs1MB is still a lot of real estate when you're talking embedded
03:48.18scruggsI noticed that today too - first thing pulled was libstdc++
03:48.31sakomanlibstdc++ is 700+K
03:48.40scruggsI went to add gpsd and it had a dependency on X!!
03:49.02sakomanyeah, lots of stuff in my bitbake collection
03:49.16scruggsI can imagine :)
03:49.32sakomanA big part of the savings came from moving away from task-base
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03:49.49scruggsI might bug you for edited bb files if I find some a bit too bloated for my liking
03:50.17scruggsI should dig into task-base a bit more
03:50.18sakomanSure, no problem.  Happy to share.
03:50.24scruggsthx
03:50.53sakomanAfter I clean up my "task-base-gumstix" I'll send you a copy
03:51.15scruggsthat would be great
03:55.24hvontres|homescruggs: I think the gpsd dep on X11 is build time only... There are some X11 test prorams included....
03:57.09scruggshvontres|home: I'll have to check that out - I never actually followed through to see if it would require that X be installed - thx!
04:00.09sakomanscruggs:  even if it isn't installed it may cause the config phase of other packages that you do need to detect libs that X required (in staging)
04:00.43sakomanAnd therefore configure themselves to use (and hence require) said libs
04:01.07sakomanCausing bloat :-(
04:02.03scruggsI was wondering if that would be the case
04:02.20scruggsat least using collections is pretty easy to get working
04:03.04sakomanYeah, but a pain to have to override so much
04:04.37scruggsnot sure that I want to know, but how many pkgs are you overriding to make the size cut?
04:05.19sakomaneleven at the moment
04:05.50scruggswhat distro do you build on?
04:06.00sakomanangstrom-2007
04:06.20scruggsI mean your build host machine ;)
04:06.34sakomanah, Ubuntu 7.04
04:06.50scruggsok - I use gentoo
04:07.11scruggsone thing I like about gentoo is it has a concept of 'use' flags
04:07.36scruggsso if I say I never what to build an 'X' option into a package I can set that globally
04:07.47scruggsor on a package-by-package basis
04:07.54sakomanThat's nice
04:08.04scruggsso you really never that to build anything that you don't want to build
04:08.07sakomanToo painful to switch now though :-)
04:08.28scruggsswitching is not an option :)
04:08.46sakomanYeah, that could easily kill a week!
04:09.08scruggsbut coming from something like that it makes me wonder why a build system that targets embedded devices doesn't have a similar facility
04:09.37scruggscoming from gentoo that is
04:09.39sakomanMaybe it does and I'm just too much of a newbie to know about it!
04:10.40scruggshmmm... good point - mabye someone here on the channel could confirm for a couple of newbies :)
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07:12.39nik0nmoin
07:12.51nik0nhaving something like http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.43/buildlogs/ on the OE website would be nice
07:15.14nik0nand could it be that i cant build uclibt 0.9.29 with gcc 3.3.4?
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07:26.59XorAmorning
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07:28.24koengood morning all
07:29.01cyberdeckgood morning!
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07:37.47XorAyo koen, fixed networkmanager
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07:47.02RPmorning all
07:47.58CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r9d27acb3... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sanesrcrevs: bump webkit dependants to catch up with gdk->gtk renaming
08:03.08nik0nhi, im using gcc preferred version 3.3.4 and binutils-cross 2.14.90 glibc 2.3.3 and uclibc 0.9.29 and get that error: http://pastebin.com/m5009dadb
08:03.12nik0nanybody saw this before?
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08:04.10nik0ntarget ios arm ep93xx
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08:30.27likewisegm
08:30.41XorAyo
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08:33.27Darth_Waderhm.. likewise - if i understand you right, you haven`t seen my bug with gcc-cross?
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08:36.12likewiseDarth_Wader: I am not getting that bug, I did read your report though. I cannot understand what happens exactly.
08:37.33Darth_Waderlikewise: i think that it launches configure script for second time with incorrect enviropment or parameters
08:39.29Darth_Waderand second thing, who ever will need fortran on devices like pda(most of which even without hw mmu unit :/)
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09:14.29XorAWTF happened to dbus-daemon
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09:39.21likewisecan we fetch patches (single files) from a repo using SRC_URI?
09:39.53koenlikewise: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-ezx_2.6.21.bb
09:40.29koenfetching single files with svn is a bit icky, since you need a *very* recent svn to do that
09:40.49koenbut fetching patches from http shouldn't be a problem
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09:42.58likewisekoen: but from CVS seems impossible.
09:44.54likewisekoen: When moving patches out of the OE metadata (see discussion on the ml), we lose the hard link between versions and builds break more often (patches disappearing etc).
09:44.59gilligan_which once again proves the point - stay away from CVS whenever possible ;]
09:45.16likewisegilligan_: the main is SRC independent.
09:45.20likewisegilligan_: the main problem is SRC independent.
09:45.38likewisegilligan_: namely do we want patches to be part of the metadata or not?
09:45.42koenI like to have all patches we apply in .dev
09:45.57koenso we know what we apply and can track changes better
09:45.58likewisekoen: so, in the metadata
09:46.08likewisekoen: me too.
09:46.11koenbut some people find that a too big a burden
09:46.56likewisekoen: well, I can see it blows up the metadata considerably, but I think it is the right way to keep track of things.
09:47.14koendisk space is cheap
09:47.22koen(on buildmachines)
09:48.18koenXorA: dbus r7 should be regression free
09:48.43koennote to self: don't merge poky stuff before having coffee
09:49.54XorAkoen: cheers
09:50.28gilligan_.oO( "coders are merely tools to convert coffee into code )
09:52.19CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r7902f4e2... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus.inc packages/dbus/dbus_1.0.2.bb): dbus: tweak packaging, should help XorA's single core build :)
09:52.51koenthat's the r6 commit
09:52.57koenr7 adds dbus-uuidgen
09:53.14XorAgilligan_: s/tools/machines/
09:53.55XorAwith that maybe NetworkManager will start
09:55.58XorAkoen: did you close #3091
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10:08.37gilligan_hrm.. i am starting to lose orientation again.. where is the angstrom-minimal-image-with-mtd-tools or whatever the exact name was defined ?
10:11.57psokolovsky_gilligan_: there's .bb with such name. find/grep -r are your friends
10:13.20nik0nis it possible to to a PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel_machine ?
10:13.30nik0ni want to specify the machine kernel in my distro conf
10:13.32gilligan_ah.. in packages/images..
10:14.07nik0nlike PREFERRED_PROVIDERS_virtual/kernel_gumstix-connex
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11:35.03gilligan_hm... configure in uclibc 0.9.29-r7 just failed during a build of angstrom 2008.1
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11:49.43zeckePhilippe: hey
11:50.19RPhi zecke
12:05.34nik0nwho created the ep93xx machine configuration?
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12:13.37rschusterhi
12:14.11rschusterI have a package that needs a special configure option when run on a Intel XScale CPU.
12:15.17rschusterhow can I make the addition of this configure option automatic depending on the target CPU?
12:15.36rschuster(the package is kaffe 1.1.8 and I want to sent my updates for inclusion)
12:16.25zeckerschuster: hmm, we have a TARGET_ARCH but no TARGET_CPU
12:16.29rschusterah the configure option should not be there if the target CPU is some other arm-variant (no iwmmxt)
12:16.54koenrschuster: check the mplayer recipes
12:17.03koenthose have iwmmxt overrides
12:17.03rschusterkoen: thanks. will do so
12:17.11zeckekoen: when are you going to come to berlin?
12:17.13koennot perfect, but good enough
12:17.17koenzecke: the 5th
12:17.27koenI arrive at 13:18 at hbf
12:17.45koenand will wait a bit for XorA to get there and then head in your direction
12:18.58rschusterkoen: basically all devices which are known to contain xscale CPUs are handled specially in the BB right?
12:19.16koenrschuster: yes
12:19.38zeckeRP: we will wait for you. When are you going to join us?
12:19.44koenrschuster: in the near future I want to have something like MACHINE_FEATURES = "iwmmxt"
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12:19.50RPzecke: Sunday evening
12:20.46rschusterkoen: ok. would OE accept a machine conf even it is not possible to build a real operating system image for it (I am talking about the irex iliad ereader which has proprietary kernel modules)
12:21.10koenrschuster: the iliad is already in :)
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12:22.25koenrschuster: er0100.conf is the iliad
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12:22.43koen(that's how irex calls it in their OE snapshot)
12:23.17nik0nkoen: know who build the ep93xx machine configuration?
12:23.27koennik0n: I did
12:23.51rschusterkoen: hm, thats odd. I thought they name it ereader. they /etc/ipkg/arch.conf suggests that to me ...
12:23.57zeckekoen: If I'm bored I'm going to pick you up
12:24.16koenrschuster: well, I used the files matthijs gave us
12:24.21koenand he's the irex OE dude :)
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12:25.07rschusterkoen: ok then I will integrate that with this description :)
12:26.22nik0nkoen: from where u took the eraseblocksize? i get tons of this errormsg
12:26.22nik0njffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x0031ff7c: 0x0689 instead
12:26.25nik0njffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x0031ff80: 0xb174 instead
12:26.36nik0nwhen using ep93xx as machine and flash the image to my 9302
12:26.57koenI took the erasesize for my glomation board
12:27.06koencould be otherboards need something different
12:27.16nik0nwhich on eyou got?
12:27.32nik0nor where u took that size? flash chip data sheet?
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12:29.12koenzecke: have you looked at cython for the bitbake c parser?
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12:29.43rschusterkoen: I just updated my org.oe.dev branch and there is no conf/machine/er100.conf
12:29.59zeckekoen: no, do you what is missing for the parser? locking me into a room 48hours and giving me enough mate... (hint there is a mate dealer next to our office)
12:30.44zeckeoh and my mtn2git tool is done :)
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12:32.39koenrschuster: ah, heh
12:32.48koenit seems I never actually committed it....
12:32.55zeckelol
12:33.03koenwell, it's in now :)
12:33.35cbrakegilligan_: install libncurses5-dev -- uclibc build is still a little broken
12:33.37zeckelol, looks I have new friends at IBM GES :}
12:34.01koencbrake: dooesn't OE build ncurses-native?
12:34.14rschusterkoen: thanks
12:34.32cbrakekoen: I think it does, but if I recall, uclibc must still be looking in the host headers
12:35.08Crofton|home./me arrives Tegel at 10AM on Oct 5
12:35.28Crofton|homeFriday will be spent staying up as long as I can
12:38.35zeckebbl
12:38.48cbrakekoen: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2545
12:39.42koencbrake: ah, right
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12:40.52cbrakerschuster: I tried your 0.95 classpath recipe from the bug tracker last week -- I hope to work on it a little more this week.
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12:43.04rschustercbrake: I am sorry. I have not updated the recipes in the bugtracker for a while. but I have newer ones locally.
12:43.51rschustercbrake: only problem is that my approach conflicts with the one taken by henning. and to fix the real issue (java toolchain in oe) it would take much longer ... :(
12:43.55cbrakerschuster: I would be interested in testing and pushing into mtn if you have time to upload them.  
12:44.07cbrakerschuster: ahh, IC
12:44.19rschustercbrake: I will upload them
12:44.56cbrakerschuster: does any of the current java stuff in OE -- your stuff was the first time I had any success running anything
12:45.08cbrakerschuster: *stuff in OE work ...
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12:49.04rschustercbrake: yep. it works
12:49.30rschustercbrake: I have this successfully running on the irex ereader (arm xscale) and neo1973
12:49.59cbrakerschuster: excellent -- was this with your recipies or the ones in OE?
12:51.07koenXorA, rschuster: what do you think of this: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/mplayer-iwmmxt.diff.txt ?
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12:52.40rschustercbrake: this was done with the recipes I have locally
12:52.59rschustercbrake: I am using them via an overlay (don't beat me to much for this)
12:53.10rschustercbrake: they are available through a public SVN repo, too
12:53.26rschustercbrake: along with updated recipes for cacao, java-gnome etc
12:53.45rschustercbrake: I plan to merge this in OE. but I have very little time recently :(
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12:54.54rschustercbrake: if you have a neo or iliad you can even install working binary packages (http://jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages)
12:55.34rschustercbrake: current building instructions for OE are here: http://jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=doc:howto:buildingforopenembedded
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12:58.23nik0nkoen: the ep9302 board needs eraseblocksize 0x20000 jfyi
12:58.32nik0nnot your 40000
13:00.15cbrakerschuster: thanks for the link -- looks very good.  I'll try to help out on the OE integration where I can ...
13:00.51rschustercbrake: updated my recipes at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2730
13:01.00cbrakerschuster: thanks!
13:01.36rschustercbrake: thanks for the help. If you have any question about the recipes or something just ping me :)
13:02.08cbrakerschuster: will do
13:02.38cbrakerschuster: amazing all the things that are going on -- this is the first I've heard of Jalimo :-)
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13:03.43rschustercbrake: I am sorry for that. tarent is already using this for customer projects and I am involved in that. so time for the OE merging (which is also my part) is low :|
13:04.17XorAkoen: good for me, saves adding a bazilion machines
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13:04.47rschustercbrake: but it is good to know that someone else apart from me is now reviewing these recipes :)
13:04.53cbrakerschuster: yeah, I understand -- I'm overbooked myself right now -- are there any maillists or irc channels you recommend for keeping up with mobile java developments
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13:06.11rschustercbrake: project page: http://evolvis.org/projects/jalimo/, http://evolvis.org/mail/?group_id=11
13:06.47rschustercbrake: but please note that we are only using the free runtimes and class libraries. so it is not the 'official' java :)
13:07.59rschustercbrake: openjdk integration is done by the various runtime people. there is high flux on that. We plan to integrate that once it is easy to build and work
13:08.14cbrakerschuster: yes, that makes sense
13:08.45rschustercbrake: will you be at OEDEM?
13:10.06cbrakerschuster: no, I don't plan to be there this year -- maybe next year if I do some planning ahead
13:12.36rschusterkoen: the ereader machine conf you put in will not generate ARCH=arm packages by default. would you mind setting PACKAGE_ARCH to "arm"? that way the created packages would be architecture compatible to the original OS distribution from irex. or am I supposed to do this through local.conf?
13:14.06koenrschuster: it has TARGET_ARCH = "arm", which is all it needs
13:15.08koenrschuster: any munging to PACKAGE_ARM will need to be done in the ereader distro (which is still in bugzilla)
13:16.57rschusterkoen: ok. there is still a small glitch. the machine conf references tune-xscale.*conf* but it is .inc instead
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14:10.54sakomankoen:  Is there a package I can use to insert a custom modprobe.conf or modprobe.d into my image?
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14:28.38Crofton|homecurse nokia!
14:29.01Crofton|homethey are buying Navteq at no real premium to the share price
14:29.33Crofton|homemwester, what failed?
14:29.38mwesterWebkit
14:29.46Crofton|homehmm
14:29.55Crofton|homelots of monekying around there over the weekend
14:30.00mwesterYeah.
14:30.09mwesterThat's why I delayed the full build until the last minute.
14:30.12chouimatmwester: branches??? this concept is so advanced that a lot of people fail to understand it ;)
14:30.21mwesterGrrrrr.....
14:30.39mwesterIf wasn't starting to lose my hair, I'd be pulling it out!  ;)
14:32.42sakomanCrofton:  Do you know if  there a package I can use to insert a custom modprobe.conf or modprobe.d into my image
14:32.56mwesterWhat comes around, goes around - or whatever the phrase is.  I'm sure that I'll commit something that will break OE, and then everyone can jump all over me -- especially given my recent rants about OE, stability, and branches.  :)
14:33.22Crofton|homesakoman, not sure
14:33.30XorAmwester: your best bet is to break gcc
14:33.34Crofton|homewhat are you trying to do?
14:35.05mwesterXorA:  The pango-directfb was another way to really mess things up.
14:35.26mwesterXorA: but those have been done already - I need something truely spectacular.
14:35.28sakomanCrofton: I'm trying to autostart wifistix
14:35.34Crofton|homeah
14:35.47Crofton|homeand the autload line does not work?
14:35.52koenmwester: webkit builds fine on the autobuilder
14:35.54Crofton|homeor there are conflicts?
14:36.09XorAmwester: well the good thing about screwing up gcc is you cant go backwards, and so everyone needs to rebuild twice
14:36.17sakomanI have it working, just trying to find the "OE way" to put modprobe.conf or a file in modprobe.d
14:37.06sakomanCrofton: it needs a combo of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/modprobe.conf in addition to the autoload line
14:37.30XorAsakoman: any package should be able to add a file to modprobe.d
14:37.39scruggssakoman, will it work if you add a gumstix-connex dir in packages/modutils/files and have it in there?
14:37.45Crofton|homemodule_autoload_ohci-hcd_omap5912osk = "ohci-hcd"
14:37.50Crofton|homein linux.inc I think
14:37.54sakomanscruggs: no
14:38.04mwesterkoen: | checking for WEBKITGTK... configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met:
14:38.09scruggsthought that might be too easy
14:38.19mwesterkoen: | No package 'WebKitGdk' found
14:38.33koenmwester: that's not a problem with webkit
14:38.55koenmwester: that's a problem with your app depending on an outdated version of webkit
14:39.23Crofton|homesakoman, I am off to school, once I see what disasters are happening, I will try and put in some gumstix time this week
14:39.24sakomanXorA: I know I can add it myself in a custom recipe, I just wanted to check to see if there was a "standard" way ala base-files
14:39.35scruggsCrofton: I ran into an issue with the pxa2xx-cs module when using the module_autoload.. method
14:39.40mwesterkoen: Isn't that what sane-srcrevs is supposed to fix, then?
14:39.46Crofton|homebbiab
14:39.48XorAsakoman: I think the preferred way would be to add it from your modules package
14:39.59koenmwester: fix what?
14:40.03sakomanCrofton: OK, have fun :-)
14:40.16koenmwester: sane-srcrevs only locks down srcrevs
14:40.29koenit has nothing todo with upstream being stale or buggy
14:40.35XorAmwester: WebkitGdk is now WebkitGtk, OE was version bumped this morning
14:40.56mwesterUpstream is fine, koen -- the problem is that somewhere a change to it leaked through without being tested.
14:41.08sakomanXorA:  I'm confused!  Which modules package are you referring to?
14:41.18XorAsakoman: those wifi modules
14:41.56koenthe two dependants of webkit I know off (feedreader and browser) both build fine over here and on the autobuilder
14:42.32mwesterkoen: then presumably a recent commit (in the past 8 hours) fixed it.
14:42.33sakomanXorA: thanks for the clarification!
14:42.54XorAsakoman: I assume they are an out of kernel build?
14:42.56koenmwester: so you're complaining that your outdated checkout is outdated?
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14:43.13XorAsakoman: if so add the modprobe.d/wifimodules.conf file into that package
14:43.20sakomanXorA: yes a separate package, so it should be easy
14:43.29mwesterkoen: No, I'm complaining that it wasn't fixed when someone first committed the change that broke it, of course.
14:44.00sakomanXorA: thanks!
14:44.56scruggssakoman: let me know if that works out for you - that would be a lot easier than what I am doing now for autoloading
14:47.02sakomanscruggs:  I know it works when the files are added by hand.  Every boot afterwards has a functioning network from the get go
14:48.11sakomanscruggs:  got an eye exam now, so it will be a while before I make the changes to the wifistix recipe
14:48.28sakomanI'll let you know when it is complete & functioning
14:48.59scruggssakoman: thanks for the info.  I won't be able to work on it for a bit too, but do let me know your progress
14:49.32sakomanscruggs: will do -- ttyl
14:52.25scruggssakoman: thx - later
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15:10.17mwesterAnyone have any particular interest in the orinoco tools in OE?
15:13.01summatusmentismwester: yeah, symbol spectrum24 wifi card here
15:17.18mwesterOk.  The recipe for the firmware download is sub-optimal, and seems it gets built with OM builds.  If someone is actively using and developing that, I'll leave it alone.  Otherwise I'll put it on my list of things to look into.
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15:28.50koenlrg: another mail on the buildroot list about broken alsalibs :)
15:30.13lrgkoen: funnily enough, I'm just speaking to someone in #alsa-soc now about using OE for his builds ;)
15:30.32lrgkoen: alsa-lib issues...
15:30.58koenlrg: the only problem in OE with alsa libs is missing atomic ops support for avr32
15:32.43lrgkoen, XorA: still no fins of blackness yet :(
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15:40.03christopherhello all.  wondering if someone can explain something weird I am seeing with configure.  
15:40.13XorAkoen: wow that email about GPRS really works
15:40.22christopherIf I do a rebuild of gqview (which builds fine) it shows pkg-config using the one for arm as it should.
15:40.26XorAkoen: now how to build that into udev
15:40.38christopherWhen I do a rebuild of rhythmbox, it uses pkg-config from i686 instead of arm.
15:40.38Crofton~lart buildroot
15:40.39ibotwhips out his power stapler and staples buildroot's foot to the floor
15:40.55Crofton~lart gumstix for not pushing buildroot patches upstream
15:40.55ibotsteals gumstix's mojo for not pushing buildroot patches upstream
15:41.07christophercan anyone explain that?  anything that may not be setup correctly or things to check?
15:42.50christopherthe same thing happens with a custom recipe where I am trying to build gtkpod using libgpod.  even though there is a libgpod-1.0.pc file, configure doens't see it when gtkpod is built
15:42.58christopherand I don't understand how to tell it which one to use
15:43.24Croftoninherit pkgconfig
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15:45.09cbrakeCrofton: I recall it places pkgconfig data in staging, but there may be benefits for packages that use pkgconfig
15:45.39cbrakehttp://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=pkgconfig_class
15:45.55Croftonah thannks
15:46.29Henrykhmm, is anyone inclined to push my patch to make termcap smaller? http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3075
15:47.27XorAHenryk: on my TODO for tomorrow
15:47.51Henrykah, fine, thanks
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15:52.57christophercbrake:  crofton:  well, it uses pkgconfig, it just uses the wrong one.  so, by inheriting it, will it force it to use the arm version or just use it...I'll give it a shot, but it's not like it isn't using pkgconfig...just using a different one
15:56.14CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * re7fcaa38... 10/ (1 conf/machine/er0100.conf): er0100: commit it, this has been sitting in my repo for too long
15:56.19CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rf68cd62e... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus.inc packages/dbus/dbus_1.0.2.bb): dbus: include uidgen as well
15:56.23CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r1401e622... 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): iwmmxt machines: add 'iwmmxt' as machine feature
15:56.29CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rec037fe4... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb):
15:56.30CIA-3mplayer svn: use iwmmxt when appropriate MACHINE_FEATURE has been set
15:56.32CIA-3[15:04] XorA: koen: good for me, saves adding a bazilion machines
15:56.36CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rff780297... 10/ (1 conf/machine/er0100.conf): er0100: catch up with include renaming
15:56.39CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r5adbd160... 10/ (1 packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb): gst-meta-base: gst-plugins-bad is needed for ivorbis
15:56.55cbrakechristopher: <oe dir>/classes/pkgconfig.bbclass
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15:58.43cbrakechristopher: looks like about all it does is copy *.pc files to staging for packages provide pkgconfig data
15:59.18christophercbrake:  ok.  well, it did get further and got through configure for gtkpod so that is a step in the right direction!  I think I'm still missing some dependencies
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17:03.42Henrykcbrake: ok, I have a working mono recipe, it's kind of ugly though. I don't like they way I'm doing dependencies
17:04.06cbrakeHenryk: excellent -- well, its a start and better than what is in there now :-)
17:07.06HenrykMaybe I'll ask for some kind of policy decision her: What I have is a lot (I'm talking in the region of 50's) of packages which each contain (provider) some number of assemblies and reference (depend on) some other assemblies. For example the package libmono-accessibility1.0-cil provides "Accessibility 1.0.5000.0" and depends on "mscorlib 1.0.5000.0" (which would be contained in libmono-corlib1.0-cil)
17:08.16HenrykI'd like to use virtual dependencies to accurately convey this information: E.g. libmono-accessibility1.0-cil would RPROVIDES "virtual/cli-Accessibility-1.0.5000.0" and RDEPENDS on "vritual/cli-mscorlib-1.0.5000.0"
17:08.21HenrykWould that be acceptable?
17:09.02Henryks/her/here/, s/provider/provides/
17:10.37koenare virtuals really necessasry?
17:10.53koenare there going to be more providers for virtual/cli-Accessibility-1.0.5000.0 ?
17:11.17koenand if so, how is that going to be handled at runtime?
17:11.35Henrykkoen: no, but there's no really good way to map the assembly name "Accessibility 1.0.5000.0" to the package libmono-accessibility1.0-cil
17:12.10Henryk(e.g. "System.Drawing.Design 1.0.5000.0" is in libmono-winforms1.0-cil
17:12.38koenwhy does it need to get mapped?
17:13.30rschusterHenryk: nice to see that including dotnet is even more fun than supporting java. I am planning a full java toolchain for OE and have similar issue than what you are presenting here.
17:13.36Henrykkoen: because I want to (need to) express a ipkg dependency, so that the necessary packages get installed
17:14.49koenso why again do you need virtuals?
17:15.52rschusterHenryk: you can use "cli-Accessibility-1.0.5000.0" as RPROVIDES, too
17:15.52Henrykkoen: I don't. I just thought that would be the most appropriate way. E.g. RPROVIDES "mono-cli/Accessibility-1.0.5000.0" or something would be fine with me too
17:15.52koenRDEPENDS_libmono-accessibility1.0-cil = "libmono-corlib1.0-cil" whould solve your problems as well
17:16.32Henrykkoen: except that I only get the information on which package provides and depends on what other package only at compile time
17:16.37koenof you *know* that libmomo-access needs corlib, why do you need to invent rprovides around that?
17:17.19koenHenryk: do_split_packages has the same problem and is able to solve it
17:17.58koenno need to pollute OE and ipkg namespaces when all you need is a bit of python
17:18.12Henrykkoen: it's more complicated than that
17:18.21koennot from your description
17:18.36Henrykkoen: there are two points I need to add dependencies: While compiling the mono recipe (which will create a huge number of packages each containing one .dll) and then setting the dependencies on these. That I can do (and have done) with Python.
17:19.19koens/compiling/do_package/
17:19.20HenrykThe other point is when compiling external packages (e.g. gtk-sharp) outside of the main mono recipe. These also will depend on other assemblies (which I only know by their assembly name, not by their package name)
17:20.15koenSo you could just dump that info in staging and have dependant recipes use that, right?
17:20.24koenOE does that for shlibs already
17:20.36Henrykkoen: that would be another way, yes
17:20.49koenwithout need virtual/libfoo.so everywhere
17:20.55koenneeding*
17:21.53HenrykI considered that for a short moment but then thought it would not be clean enough. But if you say that's the way I should be going then that's all the better
17:22.34koenusing virtuals and/or RPROVIDES means something is either *very* wrong or that something was *very, very* wrong in the past and we need to provide bugcompatibilty
17:22.50koen(from long OE experience)
17:24.10koenHenryk: virtuals seems very attractive (especially to gentoo people missing USE flags), but it is a nightmare at runtime when installing stuff
17:24.53Henryk<-- gentoo user :-)
17:25.15Henrykkoen: okay, I'll look into how shlibs does things.
17:26.27koenHenryk: it's possible that using virtuals *is* the way to go for mono stuff, but let's look at other options first :)
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17:38.18koengremlin[it]: uclibc?
17:40.03gremlin[it]yes
17:40.17gremlin[it]previous version compiled fine ...
17:40.32koenthe commit I just made should solve it
17:41.32gremlin[it]okey koen, i go to dinner and try after ... :)
17:41.42CroftonI applied for a degree and crashed the internet in our building
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18:40.25gremlin[it]koen, dbus perfect now!
18:42.42christophercbrake:  Right now, I am past the configure stage, but compilation of gtkpod fails when it can't find /libxml/xmlversion.h and I have libxml2 as a dependency but I don't see the includes on the compile line.  I also added in --with-libxml2=yes to the configure line but still can't find it.
18:42.58christopheris there a better way to do that?  I've looked at other bb files including xml and they don't do much in there
18:43.05christophersome do configure statements, some don't
18:43.17christopherbut the -I include statement is not there for the header files
18:47.27cbrakechristopher: it is difficult to say how to fix this without debugging the package build -- it is likely something wrong with the gtkpod build files
18:48.18cbrakechristopher: adding a BB dependency does not do anything but make sure the package is built first.  It is up to the actuall sw being build to set up include paths, etc.
18:49.19cbrakeany opinions if we should take TARGET_OS out of local.conf since it is typically set by a DISTRO.conf?
18:49.35christophercbrake:  ok.  I was thinking that you could pass info into configure to force the build to know to use xml or whatever.  I need to be able to pass in the directory where those includes are.  I'll look for a previous example
18:50.10cbrakechristopher: it is probably wrapped up in autotools magic -- this is where things really get fun :-\
18:52.57gilligan__christopher, have you had a look at the output of ./configure --help ? you might be able to specify a specific path for libxml there ?
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18:56.58christophergilligan__ : I did.  it only has something about if you don't want the package or if you do, you can specify something like --with-libxml=yes
18:57.13christopherand I have tried that, but it still can't find xmlversion.h (and a couple of other ones
18:57.47gilligan__christopher, but you are sure that they have already been installed at that point?
18:59.11christopherwell, I did do the bitbake libxml2 to be sure it had been built.  it is also part of the depends statement
18:59.20christopheris there something else that I would need to do ?
19:00.07gilligan__maybe look in the configure.ac file of gtkpod and look for the line where it checks for libxml .. most probably via pkg_config
19:00.19gilligan__oh, or.. hold on.. does the ./configure fail at all ?
19:01.29gilligan__or does it fail during the actual compilation?
19:01.31christophergilligan__ : it passes the configure.
19:01.38christopherjust fails the actual compilation
19:01.46christopherbecause it can't find libxml/xmlversion.h
19:02.09christopherit was failing configure before not finding libgpod but that works now with inheritting pkgconfig
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19:04.17gilligan__I don't know how the bootstrapping/fakeroot/chroot/whatever is set up .. but maybe someone from the channel who knows can tell you how to check if the file is actually installed or not
19:05.26gilligan__or have a look at the configure.ac of gtkpod and then fgrep -R through the packages dir to see if there are other packages requiring libxml2 and how they deal with it
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19:06.21gilligan__dinner time
19:06.22likewiseWhat was the PATH_MAX fix for procps? rebuilding procps alone doesn't do it
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19:12.25christophergilligan__:  yeah, I was trying that and trying to see if any other package did anything special but I didn't see it
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19:25.26Croftonwtf is libmudflap?
19:25.54mimecarwhat's wtf?
19:26.01Croftonum
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19:26.12Croftonwhat the f*ck :)
19:26.19mimecarxD
19:26.35Croftonmud flap is something you have on a big pick up truck
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19:27.09flo_laphi all
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19:31.07CroftonXorA, I wonder if you and vivijim are on the same flight
19:35.08vivijimXorA: Crofton my flight is from Frankfurt (11:40) to Berlin (12:45)
19:35.15XorAvivijim: yes thats mine
19:35.26vivijimXorA: cool!
19:36.02Croftonwhat time do you guys arrive in Frankfurt?
19:36.30vivijimI will arrive at Frankfurt at 10:50
19:36.33vivijimfrom lisboa
19:37.36CroftonI arrive at 0600 and leave at 0855
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19:40.29Croftonweather forecast is good in Philadelphia for Thursday
19:45.47Croftonnext year we can OEDEM in the US, by then us usd based people won't be able to afford to leave the country ....
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19:49.03chouimatCrofton hehe ;)
19:54.33likewisepolyonymous: hmm, the procps patch itself doesn't solve the issue with PATH_MAX
19:54.50likewise(with me anyway)
19:54.55CroftonI'm not sure how procps is supposed to actually compile
19:55.21CroftonPATH_MAX is not in limits.h, only linux/limits.h
19:55.35Croftonand limits.h does not include the linux one
19:57.34polyonymous|notelikewise, meaning it still fails for you?
19:58.21likewisepolyonymous|note: well, I now notice that your patch isn't applied during bitbake patch, let me investigate
19:58.38polyonymous|notelikewise, perhaps you need -c rebuild?
19:59.08polyonymous|notelikewise, I didn't bump PR, because compile fixes definitely do not justify reinstall of the package.
19:59.10likewisepolyonymous|note: just did pull, up, -c clean procps and procps
19:59.16polyonymous|notehmm...
19:59.20CIA-303cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r70743353... 10/ (1 packages/mtd/mtd-utils-tests_1.0.0+git.bb):
19:59.20CIA-3mtd-utils-tests: add package
19:59.20CIA-3It may make sense to add this to the main package, but because
19:59.20CIA-3so few people will use it I did not want to risk breakage at this
19:59.20CIA-3time.
19:59.27CIA-303crofton 07org.oe.dev * r7b3eb3f5... 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): linux : Update patches for gumstix from gumstix buildroot.
19:59.29likewisepolyonymous|note: let me just take a minute at this
19:59.36polyonymous|noteWeird. It did apply for me, Crofton and dcordes.
19:59.39polyonymous|notelikewise, sure, take your time.
20:04.52likewisepolyonymous|note: never mind, local problem. (BBFILES still pointed at a different checkout)
20:05.05polyonymous|noteah ok :)
20:07.14likewisepolyonymous|note: sigh, that means yesterdays head build wasn't really that
20:07.17likewise:-)
20:07.36polyonymous|noteYeah, just thought how many other changes you missed :)
20:09.13likewisepolyonymous|note: I even fixed bugs against the old checkout :-) Glad someone else didn't check them in yet :-)
20:09.26Croftonheh
20:09.30polyonymous|noteheh, that too :)
20:10.03polyonymous|noteCrofton, how did it build before the patch... that's interesting, indeed :)
20:11.09Croftonone day I will try on my desktop
20:11.47polyonymous|noteI doubt I will, even though I'm curious too. Let me know if you find out :)
20:11.51XorAvivijim: were you at FOSDEM?
20:14.48vivijimXorA: unfortunately no...  :(
20:15.22XorAvivijim: ah, so not much chance of recognition at Frankfurt then :-)
20:15.29Croftonvivijim, are you Nokia?
20:19.40vivijimXorA: :( it will be difficult...
20:20.02XorAvivijim: Im 5'11'' blond hair, will be weating full length leather coat and New Rock boots
20:20.21XorAvivijim: and all dressed in black
20:20.51vivijimCrofton I'm from Nokia's Institute (INdT) that is a researcher center with founds of Brazilian government and Nokia...
20:20.55mwesterCrofton: procps may have build previously  because of a different version of the C lib headers were installed?
20:21.06Croftonmaybe
20:21.26polyonymous|notemwester, have had libc change recently?
20:21.28Croftonvivijim, as long as you had nothing to do with Nokia buying Navteq :)
20:21.38polyonymous|notemwester, I haven't checked, but people say no?
20:22.27vivijimXorA: I'll be using a black t-shirt too, nike shoes and jeans pens pants...
20:22.40XorAvivijim: I might be more obvious and holding a Neo1973 as well
20:23.49vivijimCrofton navteq is nice, but I don't believe that it works on Brasil :(
20:23.50Croftonhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/405228464/in/set-72157594561002629/
20:23.56mwesterpolyonymous|note:   I thought I saw something about a new set of kernel glibc headers or some such on one of the recent OE syncs...
20:23.57Croftonxora is on the right
20:24.46polyonymous|notemwester, well, that would justify it...
20:25.03vivijimCrofton now I got: "all in black" of XorA :)
20:25.20XorAvivijim: heh heh, yeah thats an accurate picture
20:25.34XorAanyway offski for a bit
20:25.49vivijim:)
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20:30.49likewiseI'll probably shine by not being there.
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20:57.41koenhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/405228464/in/set-72157594561002629/ now has a few more notes :)
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21:09.03sirfredI've seen that angstrom-2008.1 seems not to choose kdrive as PREFERRED_PROVIDER_xserver. Is this intentional?
21:13.33XorAsirfred: somewhere along the line xserver became virtual/xserver and the machine.conf files didnt get updated
21:13.45XorAsirfred: as far as I can see anyway
21:13.58XorAsirfred: I could never quite decide which was right
21:15.23sirfredXorA: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/xserver is not set to kdrive neither
21:15.32sirfredXorA: How about your new job?
21:15.42XorAsirfred: I set it locally in zaurus-2.6.inc
21:15.55XorAsirfred: so far so good :-) OpenMoko BTW
21:16.08sirfredXorA: Great
21:16.25XorAPREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/xserver = "xserver-kdrive"
21:16.50sirfredXorA: That's not what the .dev repo file has, true?
21:17.01XorAsirfred: no, thats what I locally have
21:17.06sirfredXorA: OK.
21:17.24XorAsirfred: I havent had time to figure out by looking at changelogs what actually happened
21:18.11XorAsirfred: also pH5 told me you need to add -mouse tslib for kdrive 1.4 to get ts working
21:18.13sirfredI noticed it only because xserver-xorg failed to compile. I still didn't figure out the exact reason. It seems that the XID typedef is not included while compiling some render sturff
21:19.02sirfredXorA: Good tip. Thanks.
21:19.03XorAsirfred: same way I noticed it
21:20.12sirfredXorA: My first thought is that perhaps the XID is defined in some arch-dependant fashion, and remained undefined, but while thinking about it, I noticed that what I was compiling was xorg-xserver and not kdrive.
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21:20.55XorAsirfred: all hurdles to pass, then they will release 1.5 with different breakages :-D
21:21.03XorAanyway time for sleep
21:21.12sirfredXorA|gone: night
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