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06:09.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3173 has been created by bluelightning(AT)bluelightning.org
06:09.06cdbot2* * PATCH: libopieobex: disable bluetooth detection
06:09.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3173
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06:41.04stelioskgoodmorning all !
06:41.29stelioskkoen : After the last meta-toolchain commits it builds fine on x86
06:41.54stelioskkoen : BTW should we bump PR on the meta-toolchain package itself ?
06:57.14hrwmorning
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07:04.49koenHenryk: distro package arch are *very* bad
07:05.00koenHenryk: I'd almost say "forbidden" in OE
07:09.45hrwdoes someone built openmoko-browser2 r3082?
07:13.16koenhrw: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=openmoko-browser2
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07:14.37hrwok
07:18.57hrwrebuild solved
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07:27.32gilligan_morning everyone
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07:36.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3171 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by <koen>
07:36.06cdbot2* *  gcc-cross-sdk-4.1.2-r6-do_unpack
07:36.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3171
07:36.15cdbot2* * OE Bug 3172 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <koen>
07:36.17cdbot2* *  uclibc-0.9.29-r8-do_configure
07:36.19cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3172
07:36.37CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r6a20ffdd... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: nothing support PACKAGE_ARCH = "<distro>", we don't want those, and you can't build 2 distros in the same TMPDIR anyway.
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07:41.39Longfieldhi everyone ... is there a way to clean a OE tmp directory ? do the morgue directories have something to do with it ?
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07:42.57hrwLongfield: remove tmp/work and tmp/deploy/*/morgue
07:43.07koenand stamps
07:43.10koenand staging
07:43.13koenand cross
07:44.26hrwkoen: clean != remove
07:44.41koenin OE it is :)
07:46.46Longfieldhum, I use the cross-compiler in cross as my general cross-compiler too ... so I don't want to remove it
07:48.22koenhrw: try LD_PRELOADing the oabi glibc
07:49.45hrwkoen: and pthread and util and m and...
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07:52.20koenhttp://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/toolchain/
07:52.35hrwwhen last time I played with gllin it atleast gave nmea without fix etc. now it is quiet
07:53.40gilligan_ah..some userspace driver
07:55.05gilligan_oh by the way.. has anyone here done/read some jffs2 endurance tests ? like if one can actually rely on it remaining in a consistent state when switching of power and such
07:55.57Longfieldkoen: how do you build the angstrom toolchain ? what is the recipe for that ? I saw a mail of Mickey about it yersterday on the mailing-list ... I am going to need to provide a toolchain or sdk for my board user and I am very interested in this
07:56.11koen'bitbake meta-toolchain'
07:56.25koenbut I am pretty sure it's broken atm
07:56.45Longfieldbecause the bitbake meta-sdk or so has never worked for me until now
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08:18.34Longfieldkoen: yep, it is broken atm: http://pastebin.ca/740812
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08:59.03ade|deskmorning all
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09:04.33koengood morning all
09:05.13gilligan_hi koen :)
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09:27.06hrw"md5sum libbonobo-2.10.0.tar.bz2" someone?
09:32.09koenf1f0255f94e3354250d142b688013fad  /home/koen/OE/downloads/libbonobo-2.14.0.tar.bz2
09:32.10koen22bd67a0a8b7f156c02c5fc08fb1fa24  /home/koen/OE/downloads/libbonoboui-2.18.0.tar.bz2
09:32.10koen14427a459f6ca355de5f5e47ce95c1c4  /home/koen/OE/downloads/libbonoboui-2.20.0.tar.bz2
09:32.15koenthat's all I hae
09:32.52koenwait
09:32.57koen68179b91f5043ce0ef050dbbed04979b  libbonobo-2.10.0.tar.bz2
09:32.57koen34046c6880f4c90e47a1acae34b74d26  libbonobo-2.13.0.tar.bz2
09:32.57koenf1f0255f94e3354250d142b688013fad  libbonobo-2.14.0.tar.bz2
09:32.58koenbd4fb92f993b7fb7e660bb999465ef3b  libbonoboui-2.10.0.tar.bz2
09:32.58koendc26dc17cddc625cac37ecfab263a51a  libbonoboui-2.14.0.tar.bz2
09:32.59koen22bd67a0a8b7f156c02c5fc08fb1fa24  libbonoboui-2.18.0.tar.bz2
09:32.59koen14427a459f6ca355de5f5e47ce95c1c4  libbonoboui-2.20.0.tar.bz2
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09:36.26XorA~fish lrg
09:36.27ibotACTION slaps lrg around with a large trout
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09:38.11zeckehey
09:38.40lrghey XorA, zecke
09:39.01gilligan_moin zecke
09:40.04lrgzecke: not going to make foss.in, submission date is too soon for papers - too much customer support :-/
09:40.14hrw68179b91f5043ce0ef050dbbed04979b  libbonoboui-2.10.0.tar.bz2
09:40.34koen"using wolfson codecs to make sound"
09:40.47hrwkoen: so my today morning script will be usable for you when I push it into contrib
09:40.50koenhey gilligan_, lrg & zecke
09:41.30zeckelrg: just turn something in?
09:41.58zeckelrg: "Do ASoC development, okaay?!" would be a nice title
09:42.39zeckemy university is a strange place, everything renovated... and people try to sell you stuff
09:42.52lrghey koen
09:43.16lrgzecke: it was a PM talk for SoC CPU power saving
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09:54.38floriangood morning
09:54.50hrwhi florian
09:54.56lrghey florian, hrw
09:55.16hrwhi liam
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09:57.11zeckelrg: please turn something in, they will probably just accept you
09:57.46koenXorA: I'm going to hold off adding these to OE untill after the weekend: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-October/000257.html
09:58.19stapperszecke: /me did miss your talk at T-DOSE ( it was first talk on sunday morning ). Was your talk recorded on video?
09:59.01zeckeit wasn't
09:59.44koenzecke: nokia dumped opera, but they sadly went for mozilla
09:59.50stappersA pity. Will the sheets be published?
10:00.26zeckestappers: yes, but sheets are only one thing
10:01.12zeckekoen: for the n810?
10:01.24koenfor it2008 OS
10:01.43zeckeah right works on both n8x0 because nokia is so nice to support old devices
10:01.47koenthey finally figures out how to build an image for two devices
10:01.56koen(by making the devices identical)
10:02.16koenthe n810 is just n800 + gps + keyboard - sd
10:02.16zeckeokay, I head to class now
10:02.18hrwn810 is faster according to linuxdevices
10:02.19zecke~seen woglinde
10:02.20ibotwoglinde <n=heinold@omsk.mi.fu-berlin.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 18h 23m 17s ago, saying: 'bye'.
10:02.39koenhrw: according to nokia it's the same cpu and ram
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10:23.00hrwkoen: prepare for oe-source-checker.py
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10:28.16hrwkoen: pull and look into contrib/source-checker - run it against dl_dir
10:31.29koenkoen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/contrib/source-checker$ python oe-source-checker.py ~/OE/downloads/
10:31.29koenkoen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/contrib/source-checker$
10:31.57CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r714c316a... 10/ (1 packages/mathomatic/mathomatic_unstable.bb): mathomatic: mark unstable version as BROKEN
10:32.06CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * rd0591d73... 10/ (1 conf/checksums.ini): checksums: removed am.tgz which is generated daily
10:32.10CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r72dc4c03... 10/ (1 conf/checksums.ini): (log message trimmed)
10:32.10CIA-3checksums: integrate changes from Poky
10:32.10CIA-3r2906 | hrw | 2007-10-18 11:44:17 +0200 (Cz, 18 X 2007) | 1 line
10:32.10CIA-3checksums: drop daily generated pa_snapshot
10:32.10CIA-3------------------------------------------------------------------------
10:32.11CIA-3r2905 | hrw | 2007-10-18 11:43:47 +0200 (Cz, 18 X 2007) | 1 line
10:32.13CIA-3checksums: fix fakechroot checksum
10:32.17CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb5ad5b3b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): source-checker: small Python script to check local sources against conf/checksums.ini
10:32.37hrwkoen: read script before use?
10:32.58koenhrw: implement better feedback?
10:33.12hrwok
10:33.22koen"koen: pull and look into contrib/source-checker - run it against dl_dir"
10:33.35hrw;)
10:34.34koenkoen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/contrib/source-checker$ python oe-source-checker.py ../../conf/checksums.ini ~/OE/downloads/
10:34.35koenkoen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/contrib/source-checker$
10:34.41koenI assume that's a good sign?
10:34.59hrwyes
10:37.58RPbetter than the results on my machine or the poky autobuilder :)
10:38.24RPbut then my DL_DIR has files from 2002 in it...
10:39.11XorAhrw: how goes your project to get Marvell CF wifi working?
10:39.22hrwRP: how to check size of list in python?
10:39.29hrwa = [1,2,3]
10:39.44hrw"print a.len()" == 3
10:39.54hrwRP: what to use as .len()?
10:40.18hrwXorA: its rather Schurig project - I just started it
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10:42.04RPhrw: Don't you just want listname.len() ?
10:42.28hrwXorA: 2.6.24-rc will have it
10:42.43koenhrw: it returns almost instantly
10:42.48hrwRP: AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'len'
10:42.59koenangstrom@serenity:~/website/unstable/sources$ python /tmp/oe-source-checker.py /tmp/checksums.ini .
10:42.59koenangstrom@serenity:~/website/unstable/sources$
10:43.09XorAhrw: Marvell stuff got that far advanced, wow
10:43.15koenreal    0m0.199s
10:43.15hrwkoen: I probably know why
10:43.16koenuser    0m0.188s
10:43.16koensys     0m0.009s
10:43.28hrwkoen: lack of oe_sha256sum in PATH?
10:43.46koenyes
10:44.24RPhrw: Try len(listname)
10:44.40hrwthx this works
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11:00.31hrwsomeone has idea how to check does command exists in PATH?
11:00.49dcordesMy OE refuses to make images: Task do_rootfs always fails :-(
11:02.48dcordeshttp://www.pastebin.ca/740946 that's the main error
11:03.41dcordesand that's the do_rootfs log http://www.pastebin.ca/740949
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11:04.29hrwdcordes: you play with IMAGE_FSTYPES?
11:05.36likewisegm
11:06.44hrwhi likewise
11:06.50dcordesgood morning likewise
11:07.05likewisedcordes: still chasing the jffs2 issue?
11:07.13dcordeshrw: yes I change the IMAGE_FSTYPES from jffs2 to tar.gz in order to make sure it is not the jffs2
11:07.20dcordesbut it didn't work with both
11:07.25dcordeslikewise: yep
11:07.57dcordesIMAGE_FSTYPES ?= "tar.gz"
11:11.47dcordeshrw: any idea?
11:16.01hrwdcordes: IMAGE_FSTYPES += "tar.gz"
11:16.13dcordesah that's a problem in the tree then
11:16.14hrwzaurus machine config require jffs2 image format
11:16.29dcordeshrw:
11:16.30dcordeshrw: 13:06 < likewise> dcordes: still chasing the jffs2 issue?
11:16.30dcordes13:06 < dcordes> hrw: yes I change the IMAGE_FSTYPES from jffs2 to tar.gz in order to make sure it is not the jffs2
11:16.33dcordes13:07 < dcordes> but it didn't work with both
11:16.46dcordesoh no putty... sorry. http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/akita.conf
11:17.31hrwdcordes: then IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar.gz" in local.conf and build
11:17.45dcordesw/o the plus?
11:17.57hrworder of incldued files matter
11:19.07dcordeshrw: NOTE: build 200710181316: completed. should I make a bug?
11:22.52hrwdcordes: bug about?
11:23.30dcordeshrw: about the ? thing in akita.conf
11:23.43hrwit is proper set in akita.conf
11:23.55hrwas akita use jffs2 for rootfs
11:24.11dcordesbut it didn't build with the ?=
11:24.14hrwif user wants to build other formats then let remember that jffs2 is req too
11:34.19hrwkoen: does new version works for you?
11:34.35koendidn't try yet
11:35.14stelioskkoen : looks like there is something warped with package QA on meta-toolchain
11:35.38koenmeta-toolchain needs more fixes (see ml)
11:37.03stelioskkoen : efika build failed at binutils-cross-sdk QA and then when i re-issue bitbake meta-toolchain.... it passed without errors...
11:37.26stelioski think i have seen that behaviour before
11:37.30stelioskwith QA
11:38.40likewisesteliosk: yes, QA behaviour.
11:38.55XorAsteliosk: its a limitation of insane.bbclass it doesnt undo what was borked, so when you restart you are past that point
11:40.21stelioskthat's not good :(
11:41.13stelioskProbably we need to add some marker at the start of the check, and remove it after the checks are done
11:42.35stelioskbecause what is actually happening is that insane.bbclass blows up
11:42.47stelioskthat does not look a proper way to exit -> http://rafb.net/p/Qj8LS449.html
11:45.23stelioskkoen : any idea why binutils-cross-sdk will fail again at the Qa, even after your last patches ?
11:45.35koennope
11:45.40koenit works here
11:45.54koenhttp://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/toolchain/
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12:08.29hrwFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
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12:08.33hrwAU!!
12:08.51likewisehrw: laptop?
12:09.00likewisehrw: ah flashrom..
12:09.17likewisehrw: I thought 60 GB :-)
12:09.53koennot ROM!
12:09.55hrwlikewise: laptop has 80GB
12:10.32koen+apple_iphone        MACH_APPLE_IPHONE    APPLE_IPHONE        1506
12:10.33koenheh
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12:16.25slapinhi, all!
12:16.54slapindo anybody knows some free compile farm/build host serivices?
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12:21.49hrwhi cbrake
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12:28.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 3155 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by dp(AT)xora.org.uk
12:28.07cdbot2* *  Patch for libgstmad to generate 16-bit  output instead of 32-bit
12:28.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3155
12:29.56cbrakehrw: hello
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12:32.11koenaaargh
12:32.27koengail depends on libgnomecanvas which depends on gail
12:32.46koensolution: build libgnome-canvas 2.14 by hand, then build gail
12:34.13hrwargh one
12:34.29mbufif i want to download the sources alone, and then do an offline build, what to use with bitbake? (using OM, if i can mention that)
12:34.41hrwmbuf: bitbake -cfetchall your-target
12:34.46koenbitbake -c fetchall <target>
12:34.50mbufthanks
12:35.14hrwkoen: can I abuse network of ewi with lot of fetching?
12:35.24koenhrw: sure
12:35.43hrwthen I will do fetchall world of OE to gain new checksums
12:36.53hrwkoen: did you checked angstrom source mirror quality?
12:37.34koenyour script reported nothing
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12:39.09hrwcool
12:41.10RPkoen: did it finally do anything though?
12:41.17koenno idea
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12:42.29RPkoen: How long did it run for?
12:42.33hrwI can add counter into it
12:42.46koen0.2 seconds according to time
12:43.25RPkoen: Its supposed to be running md5sum on every file in the directory so it isn't working
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12:48.09hrwI am adding progressbar into it
12:50.19hrwChecking files: \ (0065/3181) [ 2 %]
12:53.29hrw~lart python for lack of "var++"
12:53.29ibotmakes a balloon animal out of python for lack of "var++"
12:53.56nudhrw: it has +=1 though
12:54.51koenhrw: how about making the checker script download the files that throw errors and checksum those automatically?
12:55.04hrwkoen: thats for later
12:56.23hrwkoen: it had to be simple script...
12:59.28hrwkoen: and because of you it is getting more and more fat
12:59.30gilligan_hm.. i just got an bitbake exception executing -cdo_rootfs for a (self declared, but basically devimage-image) image package
12:59.55gilligan_ah..oops
13:00.13gilligan_my fault obviously :)
13:00.19gilligan_:)
13:00.22gilligan_shuts even
13:01.48cbrakegilligan_: I have done some power fail testing with jffs2  -- a small app that writes to a file, and then yank power with a prog power supply.  I ran this for a couple days and never had any jffs2 problems.
13:02.35cbrakegilligan_: but I was able completely kill a sandisk SD card with that method.  It would not even respond to the initial SD commands.
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13:03.27cbrakegilligan_: however, I still recommend putting a backup battery in your design if you are going to be yanking power on a regular basis -- Varta makes some nice Lith-poly bats that work well.
13:03.54hrwChecked 1634 files. 1634 was OK and 0 had wrong checksums.
13:03.54hrwreal    6m41.131s
13:04.05gilligan_cbrake: i see.. good to know
13:08.33hrwkoen: pushed new version
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13:19.59gilligan_when adding "python" to IMAGE_INSTALL I get an error from ipk during do_roofs -- 2 matching providers, python-core and python-curses .. not quite sure what this implies for me now to be honest.. any hints please? :)
13:20.46gilligan_ah.. okay.. think i got it
13:21.11gilligan_python-core and python-curses both provide the virtual "python" and i have to pick one
13:22.48hrwselect core
13:23.02hrwiirc we fixed it?
13:23.59gilligan_does the coreutils fully replace busybox functionality ?
13:24.29hrwno - parts
13:25.30gilligan_but it is safe to have both installed?
13:25.47hrwyes
13:29.56koenhrw: http://rafb.net/p/a7dWwG79.html
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13:34.05hrwthx
13:38.01hrwpushing new ver anyway
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13:39.41hrw15:39:04 (380.56 MB/s) - `xserver-common-1.11.tar.gz' saved [9178/9178]
13:39.48hrwsmall files flies
13:40.10likewiseoe.org: weeh! FATAL: connection limit exceeded for non-superusers
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13:41.43likewiseShould PACKAGE_ARCH adhere to some toolchain-defined architecture?
13:41.58likewiseMore correctly: Should PACKAGE_ARCH adhere to some toolchain-defined architecture namespace?
13:46.27hrwkoen: few entries fixed, few are wrong on your side
13:48.20hrwkoen: ewi is nice machine for such tests
13:53.27stelioskkoen : just noticed that angstrom for x86 makes only jffs2 image. is that by choice ?
13:53.58koenprobably a bug in local.conf or something
13:55.23hrwkoen: please use root powers and remove /home/hrw/tmp/CONTENTS on ewi
13:55.31stelioskkoen : i don't change the rootfs_type in local.conf.....
13:58.43hrwkoen: thx
13:59.25chouimatmorning
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14:04.19hrwhi Gerwin
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14:16.03gilligan_cbrake: hm.. can't mount usb disks in the angstrom minimal installation running from NOR can I ?
14:16.31cbrakegilligan_: you should be able to
14:16.57cbrakegilligan_: I just updated my build and I'm working through a few issues with that right now
14:17.40gilligan_cbrake: usb-storage is built into kernel?
14:17.53cbrakegilligan_: I think so
14:19.49gilligan_cbrake: ah, right.. it actually works just fine
14:21.54hrwERROR: No buildable providers available for required build target compositeext ('['fixesext', 'xextensions']')
14:22.01hrwsomeone has idea?
14:22.13hrwc7x0 + angstrom-2007.1
14:24.45hrwok - this is because of world
14:27.22gilligan_cbrake: what do you usually base your full (nand or hdd or whatever) installations on ? fully self defined image or "console-image" or.. ?
14:28.17cbrakegilligan_: extension of console-image, but that is going to change shortly as I need to remove a bunch of stuff from it.  It has just not been a priority yet with 128MB of NAND flash ...
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14:34.20gilligan_cbrake: hmm.. isn't /lib/modules automatically populated in images from the contents of the appropraite kernel provider ?
14:36.25cbrakegilligan_: there has to be a RRECOMMENDS for each module to be included.
14:37.52gilligan_oh
14:38.47cbrakegilligan_: grep for RRECOMMENDS in the conf/machine dir -- I'm not sure if this is the best way -- need to think through it some.
14:40.03gilligan_cbrake: maybe a sane set of default modules could always be included
14:40.25cbrakegilligan_: yes, that is what I would eventually like to get to
14:40.50cbrakegilligan_: for the cm-x270, I would like to include audio/ts, modules by default
14:42.39gilligan_cbrake: well any set of defaults is better than /lib/modules : no such file or directory ;] And as long as it remains possible to tweak the default set everyone should be fine with it I guess
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15:02.07gilligan_hm, is there a way to retrieve all packages that will be installed to an image? the only related option that bitbake offers is the creation of a .dot file with the dependencies.. suppose with some sed,grep,sort,uniq etc a list could be created from that -- but that's not exactly convenient ;]
15:03.15NAbyssgilligan_: pipe the dot file through dot to normalise it, then just awk it up.
15:03.23NAbyssthat's probably the quick and dirty way
15:04.25gilligan_bit stupid really.. bitbake constructs a .dot and then we take it apart again to get the basic information... ;]
15:05.16gilligan_i'll write something about that and other bitbake related questions I have on mind on the ml
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15:16.20hrwbye
15:18.00HopsNBarleyshould i have a /dev/ts0 or something for my touchscreen?  
15:18.44hrw|gonerater /dev/input/touchscreen0
15:18.47koen<PROTECTED>
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15:20.16HopsNBarleyah - there it is!
15:20.22HopsNBarleythanks hrw!
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15:20.42HopsNBarley(and thanks koen)
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15:28.05keesjts0 is old fasion
15:29.35keesjat least here :) . we use the input system and that defines /dev/input/event0 stuff
15:34.45HopsNBarleyso, is this bad?  -  Pointer option key (/dev/input/event0) of value ((null)) not assigned!      
15:35.12HopsNBarleyi'm invoking with: /usr/bin/Xfbdev -mouse evdev,,/dev/input/event0
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15:41.24stelioskhas anyone run x86/angstrom x11-image recently ? I am trying it on a p4 but the xserver crashes
15:41.29stelioskduring boot
15:43.41HopsNBarleyAh - was missing device= in front of /dev/input path.
15:44.03HopsNBarleybut still no touchscreen love.   any debugging tips?
15:44.56CosmicPenguinDid you buy it flowers first?
15:45.20HopsNBarleyyes.  breakfast in bed, too.
15:45.23HopsNBarley(-;
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15:56.18russfCrofton: Hey there!
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16:03.33keesjHopsNBarley: if you have a ts0 you probably enabled some legacy touchscreen interface in kernel, that own uses a differen events to send the touchscreen events.
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16:17.31russfquickie for you gurus. I'm trying some changes for testing in inflate.c for my board. How should I get them to compile? I've been using the sledgehammer approach 'bitbake -c rebuild virtual/kernel' but of course, now that I'm getting into it,  that silly technique replaces my sources in linux-2.6.21-r7/image/lim/module/2.6.21/source/lib/ ....
16:22.23HopsNBarleyrussf, i'm no guru, but i just remove the compile stamp, and then rerun bitbake.  all the right stuff happens.
16:22.49HopsNBarleyit's a little faster if you bitbake -b path/to/your/ikernel.bb
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16:25.06russfHopsNBarley: thanks!
16:26.18russfHopsNBarley: is that path with in the tmp/work space? or where?
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16:27.15HopsNBarleythe openembedded/packages/linux/your-kernel.bb
16:27.58russfk. Thx.
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16:51.09koenHopsNBarley: -mouse tslib ?
16:53.17HopsNBarleykoen, bingo!
16:54.54mwestert'was of the grey, non-electrical variety, however - so I don't think it would help HopsNBarley ;-)
16:55.50HopsNBarleymwester, yeah verily, i did some similar mouse chucking last winter. (-;
16:58.22CIA-303likewise 07org.oe.dev * r34ae15e7... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gcc-4.1.2: Added support for powerpc e300c3 core. Bumped PV for your pleasure.
16:58.28CIA-303likewise 07org.oe.dev * rf3e14b4a... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): binutils-2.16: Added support for powerpc e300c3 core. Bumped PV for your pleasure.
16:58.33CIA-303likewise 07org.oe.dev * r934c2d01... 10/ (1 conf/machine/mpc8313e-rdb.conf): mpc8313e-rdb: added machine for Freescale MPC8313E-RDB.
16:58.38CIA-303likewise 07org.oe.dev * r1d0e13e8... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/tune-ppce300c3.inc): machine/tune-ppce300c3: Added PowerPC core, used in MPC83xx.
16:58.43CIA-303jluebbe 07org.oe.dev * r4751c499... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc):
16:58.43CIA-3sane-srcrevs: update openmoko-mediaplayer2 to 3081
16:58.43CIA-3This fixes OpenMoko bug #947
16:58.49CIA-303cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r1146b968... 10/ (1 conf/machine/em-x270.conf): em-x270.conf: fix include file names
16:58.53CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r40ef55d0... 10/ (1 contrib/source-checker/oe-source-checker.py):
16:58.54CIA-3oe-source-checker: some improvements (usage, less exceptions)
16:58.54CIA-3Calling with less then 2 parameters == usage info.
16:58.54CIA-3Simplified code a bit - os.popen() does not generate exceptions if shell can
16:58.54CIA-3not find command.
16:58.58CIA-303xora 07org.oe.dev * rada400c1... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
16:58.58CIA-3packages/gstreamer/gst-plugins-ugly_0.10.6.bb : add patch to make mp3->codec
16:59.00CIA-316bit all the way through. Increase openmoko-player2 svnrev to match
16:59.02CIA-3the patch
16:59.06CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * raed96db0... 10/ (1 packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb): gst-meta-base: change some stuff to RRECOMMENDS, not everybody wants X
16:59.11CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * rf3f1577d... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb): angstrom-version: bump PE
16:59.15CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r40d52bf1... 10/ (1 contrib/source-checker/oe-source-checker.py): source-checker: added progressbar (from BitBake) and status info at end
16:59.19CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r972c9f9c... 10/ (1 contrib/source-checker/oe-source-checker.py): source-checker: move bad news to end of program (list of errors when program end)
16:59.27CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6495b1bc... 10/ (1 conf/bitbake.conf conf/checksums.ini): checksums: dropped geda snapshots (unfetchable)
16:59.33CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * racb1b3bb... 10/ (1 conf/checksums.ini): checksums: few more fixes from Koen's run
16:59.40CIA-303hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9ad4a408... 10/ (1 conf/distro/generic.conf): generic distro: prefer X.Org 7.2 instead of 7.1 (which is mostly not-existant)
16:59.48CIA-303koen 07org.oe.dev * r686e9c3c... 10/ (1 packages/ezx/ezxd/ezxd.init packages/ezx/ezxd_svn.bb): ezxd: remove runparts from init script
17:00.13pH5good evening
17:00.55HopsNBarleylikewise, 8313, mmmmm.  thanks for that.
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17:30.11likewiseHopsNBarley: Any e300c3 core, I'll add e300c2 as well (no FPU).
17:31.38vivijimhi steliosk
17:31.45Henrykhmm, can I rely on  PACKAGES = "${PN}-dbg ${PN} ${PN}-doc ${PN}-dev ${PN}-locale"  in bitbake.conf?  e.g. most every PACKAGES += "${PN}-dev" is a bug?
17:32.01koenHenryk: yes
17:32.07Henrykok
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17:32.32koenpackage.bbclass will throw a waring about PN-dev being in PACKAGES twice
17:33.26Henrykkoen: i know. i 'found' some of these during my current build. I fixed one, or at least thought so.  python-pygtk had += ...-dev in there twice (making for 3 -dev in PACKAGES)
17:33.52HenrykI'll grep around a bit and see whether i can find more of those
17:34.15koenthe only valid reason to frob PACKAGES is when adding packages when splitting something up
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17:39.43stelioskvivijim : Hi !
17:40.37stelioskkoen : is there a feed for x86 on angstrom repo ? doing an ipkg update gets 404 errors
17:41.03vivijimsteliosk: I've configured a lot of machines with icecc here but it is really not working.... The packages are being compiled local only :(
17:42.16vivijimand I'm sure that I've configured everything like we did last week... and following the tutorial on wiki...
17:42.20vivijimdo you have any idea?
17:42.28stelioskvivijim : Did you check the logs from the machine that you have assigned to do the scheduling ?
17:42.50vivijimactually every icecc logs are empty
17:43.03koensteliosk: i[456]86 are there
17:43.12vivijimsteliosk: everbody here is using ubuntu feisty/gutsy
17:43.24koensteliosk: you can check with http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
17:43.32koen(the dropdown box)
17:44.03koenlater all
17:45.20Henrykkoen: packages/flumotion/flumotion_0.4.1.bb   cd15f8b1.. by koen 2007-06-17: #Yes, we know: ERROR: flumotion-dbg is listed in PACKAGES mutliple times, this leads to packaging errors.
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17:45.45stelioskvivijim : weird. here are the logs from my scheduler -> http://rafb.net/p/cT0tS075.html
17:47.14stelioskkoen : -> http://rafb.net/p/8HP4Zl99.html
17:48.32stelioskvivijim : here is my icecc init script- > http://rafb.net/p/fzTKBi12.html
17:49.11stelioskvivijim : notice about the logs with the parameters passed to the icecc daemon when it starts
17:50.55stelioskvivijim : once you get the logs, you can see if the machines actually log in the scheduling que or there is some protocol error
17:52.14stelioskkoen : -> the feeds are there but empty....
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17:53.37vivijimsteliosk: we've just noticed that there is an error on init.d/icecc that isn't using correct path to logs...
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18:10.53stelioskvivijim : have to go. Ping me tomorrow if you still have troubles to get it going
18:11.41woglindeeee-pc
18:12.02vivijimsteliosk: thanks
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18:22.00woglindehu the n810 with mozilla and flash 9?
18:22.12woglindeflashplugin under arm?
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18:30.48keesjwoglinde: the 770 already had flash (but not 9)
18:31.06CroftonSFF SDR is booting with root over nfs
18:31.07Croftonyay
18:31.53woglindecrofton yay
18:32.05woglindekeesj yes with opera
18:32.10woglindebut now with mozilla
18:34.23keesjright
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18:57.50keesjdoes one know how to use the .map file generated by gcc
19:02.19zeckeno, what is that? class hierachy?
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19:22.44CIA-303likewise 07org.oe.dev * r947287d0... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAINERS: Updated my info.
19:23.25keesjzecke: the .map file is just like the system.map file in the kernel it gives funtion/address translations (something like that) http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ld (the -M option). given that information it should be possible that when given a address (from a backtrace) find the code /method in the source
19:25.26keesjI want to use a program like addr2line
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19:27.10jsheldonanyone know what package contains ulimit?
19:27.41woglindejsheldon hm
19:27.43woglindeshell
19:27.45woglindenusynox
19:27.48woglindebusybox
19:28.29jsheldonwoglinde: really? a search in busybox's "command help" page doesn't list ulimit :(
19:29.03woglindehm
19:29.29woglindebash has ulimit
19:29.55jsheldonactually, a more general question would be "has anyone dealt with grabbing coredumps on an arm system?"
19:30.04Henrykon most systems ulimit is a bash builtin, yes
19:30.08jsheldonwoglinde: oh sorry, right, I'll try the full bash
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19:37.32christopherhey guys...I created a bb file for i2ctools and can build them just fine with bitbake i2ctools.  however, when I include them in my image.bb file, bitbake says it can't find it.  Anyone have a clue of what I am doing wrong?
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19:43.48christopherit suggests running ipkg update.  I haven't had to do that before...where would I do that?
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19:46.30zeckechristopher: hi, is the .bb file in your BBFILES?
19:46.39zeckechristopher: what do you add to the image?
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19:47.48christopherI added i2c-tools to the RDEPENDS (where i've put other packages)
19:47.54christopherthe .bb file is in it's own directory
19:48.12zeckebitbake i2c-tools  builds it?
19:48.27christopheryes.
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19:48.41christopherI've added other packages without an issue.
19:48.45christopherso, this is a first
19:48.53zecke-crebuild your-image?
19:49.02christopherI tried changing the name thinking that could do something and it worked every time no problem.
19:49.16zeckedo you have i2c-tools packages in tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/*?
19:49.25zeckedo they have a special PACKAGE_ARCH?
19:49.27christopherif I -crebuild, will that clean out all of the prebuilt projects or just the rootfs
19:49.32christopherI'll check if they are there
19:49.39christopheri used autotools so I would think they were
19:49.42zeckebitbake -b yourimage -crebuild
19:49.53zeckeit won't rebuild everything
19:50.56likewiseWhat's the recommended way of staging a native u-boot mkimage tool?
19:51.11christopherzecke: ok.  I see the ipk under armv4
19:52.08zeckechristopher: now, go to tmp/deploy/rootfs/etc/ipkg/arch.conf (IIRC) and check if armv4 is in the list...
19:52.19christopher| Cannot find package i2c-tools.
19:52.19christopher| Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
19:52.36zeckechristopher: also check if if i2c-tools is in the Packages file of the ipkg directories
19:54.17christopherzecke : in the packages list, there are -dev and -dbg versions...but no i2c-tools version
19:54.51zeckechristopher: a) you lied to me because you didn't find a package in the directory b) i2c-tools installed somewhere else and OE didn't create an empty package
19:55.22christopherzecke:  a)  I wouldn't lie.  :)  I did find a package.
19:55.59christopherzecke:  but those packages, now that I look closer, are dev and dbg pacakges
19:56.01zeckechristopher: there was a output on the console like "Not creating empty package"
19:57.07christopherzecke:  yeah, I see that now
19:57.11zecke:)
19:57.16christopherso what does that mean?  how do I get that created?
19:57.23christopherthat's the first time it hasn't built one
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19:57.35zeckeALLOW_EMPTY = "1" but that is not what you want!
19:57.45christopherwhat do I want?
19:58.01zeckechristopher: OE also warns about installed but unpackaged files, do you have any?
19:58.51christopherNOTE: Not creating empty archive for i2c-tools-3.0.0-r0
19:58.51christopherNOTE: Not creating empty archive for i2c-tools-doc-3.0.0-r0
19:58.51christopherPackaged contents of i2c-tools-dev into /oe/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/i2c-tools-dev_3.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk
19:58.51christopherNOTE: Not creating empty archive for i2c-tools-locale-3.0.0-r0
19:58.54christopherthat's all I see
19:59.24woglinde*g*
19:59.29woglindeno files
19:59.32woglindeno package
19:59.32zeckechristopher: what binary do you expect to see packaged?
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19:59.58zeckechristopher: I would go to the ${WORKDIR} of i2c-tools and search for the binary
20:00.02christopherthere are some like i2cdetect etc
20:00.12zeckechristopher: also there is a directory where stuff got installed to
20:00.40christopherok, I see that...
20:00.42christopherit is under 'tools'
20:00.56zeckechristopher: a) find out if it was build b) check if it was installed c1) fix the installation dir c2) adjust the FILES_${PN} += to add the path/binary in the .bb files
20:01.04zeckechristopher: it is not installed?
20:01.29christopherzecke: not installed where?  I see that they are built.
20:01.52christopherbasically, there are i2cget and lots of utilities in the tools directory under i2ctools/i2ctools
20:02.52christopherso basically do a install -d from the tools directory?
20:02.54christopherin the bb file?
20:03.36zeckechristopher: OE is executing make install (and setting a destination dir) so they should be installed into a special directory
20:04.08zeckechristopher: if you want to have a fast solution you could do do_install_prepend in your bb and install the files manually do ${D}${bindir} (there are a lot of examples...)
20:04.36zeckewoglinde: I just tried the "Web Collage" screensaver and it took up to 3 minutes to see the first porn...
20:04.36christopherzecke:  ok.  
20:04.54woglindezecke what?
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20:12.21christopherzecke:  what is a good example?  i would have thought it was a post install and not a pre-install?
20:12.47christopherinstall -m 0755 ${WORKDIR}/tools/i2cdetect ${D}${bindir}/
20:12.50christopherthat is what I tried
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20:18.24zeckechristopher: pre-install, post-install are for scripts to be executed during install ;)
20:18.41zeckechristopher: search for do_compile_prepend but your line above looks sane
20:22.28christopherok, so use do_compile_prepend and not do_install_prepend?
20:23.09zeckesorry....
20:23.28zeckejust do_install_prepend ( I was compiling when writing this...)
20:32.49christopherzecke:  ok.  and do you generally do each file or can you do directories and it knows which files are executable?
20:36.22zeckefor file in files; do install done ;)
20:36.27zeckechristopher: or fixing the Makefile etc...
20:37.17hrwi2ctools? how does it differ from lmsensors-apps?
20:37.33hrwlmsensors-apps also gives i2c detect/set/get tools
20:39.02christopherhrw:  lmsensors-apps didn't build for me.  so, I was going with i2ctools since that is all I needed
20:39.22hrwchristopher: how it does not build? which way?
20:39.29hrwchristopher: glibc or uclibc build?
20:39.41christopherhrw:  this is a glibc build.  
20:39.46christopherhrw:  first, it fails on a patch.
20:39.56christopher#           file://prefix-fix.patch;patch=1 \
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20:40.00christopherso, I took that one out
20:40.01hrwzecke: did you saw base.bbclass generator of checksums.ini and contrib/source-checker script?
20:40.13hrwchristopher: how old metadata you use?
20:40.16christopherand now it fails with | make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
20:40.27hrwI fixed lmsensors during oedem
20:40.31christopherhrw:  I did a pull and update a couple of weeks ago I suppose
20:40.36zeckehrw: your mail is marked as to be read...
20:40.47hrwchristopher: so you use obsolete tree
20:41.01christopheri use org.openembedded.dev if that is what you mean?
20:41.05hrwchristopher: lmsensors-apps in OE.dev builds
20:41.15hrwchristopher: few weeks old == obsolete
20:41.24christopherok.  is there a way to update just that bb file?
20:41.41christopherit isn't a revert, but I am sure mtn has a command for that
20:42.07Croftontask-base takes a long time to build :)
20:42.07hrwchristopher: use two dirs: one with current .dev and second with your-old one
20:42.31christopherhrw:  hmmm.  yeah, I can do that, it is just that it takes a day to build it all
20:42.46hrwchristopher: I do not mean build tree but metadata tree
20:43.09christopherhrw:  ok.  so, just make a copy of the org.oe.dev directory
20:43.11christopher?
20:43.17christopherand then do an update?
20:43.22hrwchristopher: yes
20:43.39hrwchristopher: and then copy lmsensors from current dev to your old copy
20:44.10woglindehi hrw
20:44.21christopherhrw:  ok.  so, to get that, all I should have to do is 'mtn pull && mtn update'
20:44.23hrwhi woglinde
20:44.26christopherhrw: and I should have the updated one
20:44.30hrwchristopher: right
20:44.49christopherhrw: do you remember what you had to change?
20:45.15hrwchristopher: I basically rewrote whole recipe, regenerated missing patch etc
20:47.54woglindenite hrw
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20:58.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3174 has been created by inv2002(AT)yandex.ru
20:58.06cdbot2* * sound problem over CE-RH2.
20:58.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3174
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21:00.51zeckehehe
21:00.56zeckecbrake: like a whole kernel?
21:02.27cbrakezecke: kernel + alsa + tslib + libpcre + mtd-utils + dropbear + ...
21:02.50cbrakezecke: can do quite a bit if you are willing to write apps in C :-\
21:04.16woglindecbrake much more when you use klibc ort diet-libc
21:05.02cbrakewoglinde: yeah, I'm still using uclibc
21:05.41likewiseYay. 2.6.23 boots on powerpc mpc8313. Looks like a toolchain and kernel in <5 hours of work. Hugs to OE!
21:05.59cbrakewoglinde: the nice thing it "just works" in OE without any extra effort :-)
21:06.08cbrakelikewise: nice
21:06.37woglindecbrake me too but with diet-libc things are much smaller
21:06.53sakomandoes anyone know what package generates /etc/version?  ipkg search gives no provider
21:06.54woglindelikewise gratz
21:07.52timtimred< 5 hours of work? or compiling :)
21:08.18woglindecompiling
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21:10.19zeckesakoman: I would assume base-files
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21:25.18zeckesteliosk: I'm asked to drink your ouzo now :}
21:27.04koensteliosk: ah, right, the autobuilder doesn't build for i486 machines
21:28.38sakomanzecke:  I don't see it in the base-files recipe, have to keep searching
21:28.48zeckesakoman: search for base*
21:28.57koensakoman: your work history is quite interesting
21:29.43sakomankoen:I've been lucky to be involved in lost of interesting stuff
21:30.22sakomanlots, though I suppose lost might be a freudian slip :-)
21:31.31koen:)
21:32.00woglindenite
21:32.01koenbleh, my hands smell like fixer
21:32.21sakomankoen:  do you know what package generates /etc/version?
21:32.45sakomankoen:  I thought you used the odorless stuff :-)
21:32.56koenthe darkroom tutorial used a different one
21:33.10koenI would guess that base-files generates /etc/version
21:34.07XorAoooh, n810, zaurus replacement finally
21:34.22koenXorA: register for the dev discount
21:34.34XorAkoen: where is that?
21:34.36woglindexora mozilla based browser with flash
21:34.38koenmaemo.org
21:34.51koenXorA: and in the footnote of my latest mail to oe-dev :)
21:34.54woglindexora where comes the flash9 for arm from?
21:35.10koenglash, swfdec, adobe?
21:36.28woglindekoen from adobe might be intressting
21:36.37woglindedidnt know the other can flah9 now
21:36.44koenthe previous ones were from adobe as well
21:37.08woglindehm I thought the were from opera
21:39.02CroftonI do not think /etc/version comes from base-files
21:39.06Croftonfrom looking at the bb file
21:40.14Croftonangstrom-version comes from angstrom-version.bb ....
21:40.39koenrootfs_deb.bbclass:     echo ${BUILDNAME} > ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/${sysconfdir}/version
21:40.40koenrootfs_ipk.bbclass:     echo ${BUILDNAME} > ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/${sysconfdir}/version
21:41.10Croftonbtw, I am very pleased with SFF SDR progress atm
21:41.24koenCrofton: congrats
21:41.29Croftonthanks
21:41.34koenCrofton: did you hand the angstrom toolchain to your student yet?
21:41.42XorAkoen: bah, so the login page doesnt actually work for applying for discount
21:41.43Croftonno
21:41.51Croftonwe do not have one yet for this purpose
21:42.01Croftonbut I will likely try the tool chain soon
21:42.02sakomanCrofton:  I agree -- it isn't from base-files
21:42.22koensakoman: scroll up 2 minutes :)
21:42.26Croftonsakoman, see koen's comment, it is in rootfs*.bbclass
21:42.28sakoman:-)
21:42.47sakomanlesson: don't respond till you've read everything :-)
21:43.04CroftonI need to run a quick test on the tool chain and prod my advisor to fins a guy in his class to try some wmmx stuff
21:43.26koenyou can always hook the guy up with devshell
21:43.30Croftonyeah
21:43.40CroftonI just need something really easy
21:44.08CroftonI may have to stick the tool chain in a vmware image ....
21:44.37woglindehm do I want a nokia 810 or not
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21:45.18Croftonsakoman, how good is connex support in .dev?
21:45.46Croftoncould we point people at the Angstrom site and have them try images and packages from there?
21:45.57Croftonfor a sane set of hw?
21:46.02sakomanCrofton:  I haven't tried oe.dev in quite some time
21:46.16woglindexora?
21:46.19sakomanbeen using my custom hw.conf
21:46.25Croftonyeah
21:46.36XorAwoglinde: I enter login, no error, it just pushes me back to login page again
21:46.39CroftonI need to compare those :)
21:46.54koenXorA: there's a waiting time
21:47.05koenXorA: the backend needs a few minutes to update
21:47.26XorAkoen: bah, dont these guys know how databases work :-)
21:47.38koen"> I've registred to maemo.org creating an account. I got the
21:47.39koen> > confirmation email from maemo.org and I was able to log into the
21:47.39koen> > "garage". But if I go to www.maemo.org and I try to enter my user and
21:47.40koen> > password I cannot login  :(
21:47.40koenThere is some delay before accounts are replicated from Gforge to
21:47.41koenMidgard. Try again a bit later."
21:47.55sakomanCrofton:  scruggs and I are both using it with connex.
21:48.36CroftonI can't remember if scruggs is using anything from your collection
21:48.57sakomanhe told me he's using all of it
21:49.03Croftonok
21:49.16Croftonneed to see what makes sense to move into .dev
21:49.30sakomanBetween the two of us I think we've tested everything but bluetooth
21:49.31Croftonanyway, I'll worry about this another day :)
21:49.37Croftonthat is very cool
21:49.49CroftonI have had actual cool work to do :)
21:50.03sakomanYou deserve to have some fun!
21:50.15Croftonheh
21:50.35sakomanThe school thing will be over soon . . .
21:50.37CroftonI need this to work so I can convince some people to pay me to make a complete package for the board :)
21:50.50Croftonanyway, time to go
21:50.50sakomanWhich board?
21:50.55scruggs_I am using sakoman's collection and its working great
21:51.03CroftonLyrtech small form factor SDR board
21:51.14Crofton~sffsdr
21:51.17sakomanI'll have to check it out!
21:51.21Croftonpricey
21:51.36CroftonI need to convince them not to take it back
21:52.16Croftonl8r guys!
21:52.25sakomanOK, later!
21:52.38scruggs_take it easy, Crofton
21:53.19scruggs_sakoman: thanks for updating me with your collection changes... its sped my other devving up nicely!
21:53.53sakomanscruggs:  I really like what you've done.  That's a very neat project!
21:54.34sakomanhow is performance on a connex?
21:54.47scruggs_sakoman: thanks! its been a fun one
21:56.15scruggs_the biggest performance hit is drawing a new map - I generate a map around 3X the size of the screen and then just re-center it on a new fix, but if the map to be generated has lots of contour lines generation time can be around 3sec on a connex
21:56.49koenscruggs_: floating point calculations?
21:56.50scruggs_if I have it just render streets/water features the generate time is a fraction of a sec
21:58.05scruggs_koen: no, more just the amount of vector points to draw all the contour lines for the map
21:58.25sakomanscruggs:  I have a somewhat older Garmin GPS that has about the same performance when contours are enabled
21:59.31scruggs_yeah.. its really not too bad except for the initial load... the program knows its about to run out of map and generates the next one before the old one is 'out of range'
22:00.13sakomanhow large are the data files?  kept on SD/CF card?
22:03.48scruggs_depends... there is a helper program to convert the shapefile data to the minimal amount needed for the program, so for my county in CO the shapefile data is 20MB, but once its converted the data used by the program is less then 1.5MB (all stored on cf)
22:04.17scruggs_but the data is all vector data, not rendered maps, so it is infinately scalable
22:04.28scruggs_to a degree :)
22:04.56sakomanSource files are gov't downloads?
22:05.25scruggs_yep
22:05.46koenesri shapefiles?
22:06.21scruggs_koen: yes - and shapefiles generated from DEM data
22:06.31koennice
22:06.44sakomanCool!  I've been rummaging on the net for postal code - latitude/longitude, timezone, dst data sets
22:07.05scruggs_its more of an overland nav program than a street-map one
22:07.21sakomanSo I can automaticly set time & calulate sunrise/sunset times
22:07.31scruggs_I've been really active in Search & Rescue for years, so it works for my other hobbies :)
22:08.00koensakoman: just include a gps in your design :)
22:08.15scruggs_sakoman: very cool
22:08.23sakomanI'm already fighting lots of product cost issues :-)
22:08.34koenyou could use a gsm as well, but I think they send you to gitmo for correlating cell towers with gps data
22:08.42sakomanI've got US/Canada/Mexico working
22:09.10koensakoman: if you ship to new zealand you need to update tzdata in OE :)
22:09.28koen2007e lacks their recent DST updates
22:09.40sakomanI hate dst too!
22:10.04sakomanIn the US lots of areas randomly decide to adopt it or not
22:10.14sakomanAnd it changes year to year
22:10.25sakomanat the whim of politicians
22:10.37scruggs_yeah.. wtf is up with dst now?
22:10.50koendst is for hippies
22:11.28sakomanI think DST was around decades before hippies ;-)
22:11.46likewisesee you guys, taking a nap
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