IRC log for #oe on 20080128

00:00.31RPWe lots 149 recipes in that commit...
00:00.35RPlost
00:06.22RPpb_: I've restored them along with an attempt at fixing the file version numbers. If it doesn't work from here, patches welcome!
00:13.42CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r33c44c7c... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:13.42CIA-36bluez-utils 3.23 and friends: Set FILESPATH explicitly and correctly.
00:13.42CIA-36* Having a "files" dir in a multi-package directory is shooting everyone
00:13.42CIA-36in leg. There should be per-package dirs or else stuff will be taken from
00:13.43CIA-36god-knows-where.
00:13.43CIA-36* So, add FILESPATH for all bluez-utils descendant packages.
00:13.45CIA-36* This fixes build of bluez-cups-backend, which failed in do_patch
00:13.49CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * ra99dc9b3... 10/ (1 classes/patch.bbclass):
00:13.51CIA-36patch.bbclass: Show full path of a patch.
00:13.53CIA-36* This is for consistency with existing non-patch fetch message in base.bbclass.
00:13.55CIA-36Allows to catch pulling file from wrong override dir quickly.
00:13.57CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rf905ec58... 10/ (155 files in 6 dirs): xorg: Add packages accidently dropped in 778aeb6e918d6ec53d4abbfa67d0d3832c8d717e, updated to match current version scheme (thanks to pb_ for spotting)
00:21.49LaibschGNUtoo-laptop: I fixed the problem
00:21.54LaibschI'll push shortly
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00:49.12CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re3c06e0e... 10/ (1 packages/opie-taskbar/opie-taskbar-images.inc): opie-taskbar-images: There is nothing to compile and thus nothing to configure. Fixes breakage in do_configure.
00:50.46Laibsch~seen pgfeller
00:50.49ibotpgfeller <n=pgfeller@202.153.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 160d 4h 45m 2s ago, saying: 'polyonymous: thanks again & cu'.
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01:08.47xjqian|awayLaibsch: opie-taskbar-images_cvs works fine for me. After all, it's just moving those .png files around.
01:09.59Laibschxjqian: Which is why it failed after adding "inherit opie"
01:10.16LaibschIt seems like it thought it needed to do do_configure
01:10.20LaibschFixed
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01:11.35xjqianLaibsch: great, thanks
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02:04.19CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r3f46620a... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
02:04.19CIA-36libvncserver: update to version 0.9
02:04.19CIA-36* latest version 0.9.1 fails, needs some looking into
02:04.19CIA-36* consolidate bb file into packages/vnc directory
02:04.19CIA-36* reorder fields according to StyleGuide
02:18.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 2411 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <Laibsch>
02:18.06cdbot2* * .bb for libvncserver 0.9.1
02:18.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2411
02:18.16cdbot2* * OE Bug 2125 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <Laibsch>
02:18.18cdbot2* * libvncserver_0.9.bb
02:18.20cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2125
02:21.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 1312 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <Laibsch>
02:21.06cdbot2* * Build of libvncserver failed
02:21.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1312
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03:03.00CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r7c1e0973... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
03:03.00CIA-36libvncserver: add recipe for version 0.9.1 as proposed in 2411
03:03.00CIA-36* this has disabled x11vnc and the SDL viewer. DEFAULT_PREF is -1
03:03.00CIA-36* add Patrick to MAINTAINERS file as requested in 2125
03:03.05CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rcec9ba77... 10/ (11 files in 5 dirs): fbvncserver + x11vnc: consolidate all VNC related stuff in packages/vnc/
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04:19.44xjqianXorA|gone: d01c50d1b11c46a3d67726552fb7fe4ff8ae6da5  has a side effect that: dbus-lib does not get depended by dbus, and hence libdbus was not installed when do_rootfs
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07:28.15hrwmorning
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07:30.11hvontres|homehrw: morning :)
07:32.12hrwhvontres|home: on #angstrom people are asking sometime about poodle nand images
07:32.21hvontres|homehrw: It looks like the patches for #3715 didn't make it through :( But, it looks like helge has a better set of patches
07:32.40hvontres|homehrw: I saw that. I think CoreDump used to have some
07:32.54hvontres|homehrw: I only have a 250 available here
07:33.05hrwI starts to hate OE monotone servers
07:33.22hvontres|homehrw: hehe..
07:34.12hvontres|homehrw: Don't worry about it yet. I just told Helge to add his patches to #3715. RP should have a copy of them as well
07:35.46hrwrepushing now again
07:37.00hvontres|homehrw: How's the baby doing?
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07:38.12hrwnot yet born
07:38.14hrwhi steliosk
07:38.29stelioskmorning all !
07:38.30hrwhvontres|home: Ania feels good
07:38.38stelioskhrw : hi !
07:38.43hrwhvontres|home: now it should be pushed for real
07:38.49hrw~curse monotone.openembedded.net
07:38.50ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, monotone.openembedded.net !
07:39.16hvontres|homehrw: try monontone.openembedded.org?
07:39.38hrwswitched to it
07:46.58stelioskFYI : My OE presentation at last years Power Dev conference -> http://www.power.org/devcon/07/Session_Downloads/PADC07_Koroneos_OE-presentation-final.pdf
07:47.09hrw|gonehttp://drlauer-research.com/ ;)
07:50.36gints_mornin
08:03.19CIA-3603hvontres 07org.oe.dev * r36133f7d... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp: misc fixes to make 2.6.24 compile for poodle - close #3715
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08:27.09pb_RP: thanks, I'll try that out later today
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08:33.37_law_hi i think there is some git problem in angstrom.stable
08:34.04_law_git.inc requires git-gui-install-mode-arg-spaces.patch
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09:07.12hrwre
09:07.27NineXhrw: er
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10:02.25XorAhrw: BTW successfully compile/ran epdfview in OE on n810
10:03.02XorAhrw: unfortuneately I think we need to put in the maemo version of gtk+ because it doesnt quite work like it should
10:08.03hrwXorA: now they use upstream + one big patch way so shorter recipes
10:08.26XorAhrw: cool I shall look at this as some widgets seem to be broken in epdfview
10:08.48XorAhrw: but thanks to rschuster the basics work, command line stuff should just work (tm)
10:09.05hrwXorA: poky has os2008 kernel
10:09.10XorAhrw: I know
10:09.16hrwdid not yet tested does it build
10:09.24hrwI need to call expansys to push my order
10:09.37XorAhrw: kernel seems to work fine so far, I just want to add to maemo for now
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10:10.44hrwI will probably add CFS backport to it. It apply fine
10:14.37XorAhrw: we need to get their browser in OE
10:14.46XorAhrw: then we can all just use poky on n800
10:15.19XorAhrw: does poky have cool network config tools yet?
10:15.32XorAzecke: can you say "Want Fries" :-)
10:16.33zeckeXorA: well, I consider being a bump again and selling Street newspapers
10:16.56XorAzecke: :-D
10:17.17XorAzecke: well you can apply for nokia now they gonna own qt :-D
10:17.18hrwXorA: networkmanager is in. not in default images
10:17.32XorAhrw: including bluetooth like maemo?
10:17.45hrwno idea - did not tries it
10:17.58zeckeXorA: don't get me started...
10:18.15XorAhrw: BTW dont try navigating with n810 GPS, unless you want to end up over clifs
10:18.54hrwXorA: OH guys already told me that internal gps suxx totally
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10:19.18XorAhrw: 50m consitently wrong here
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11:14.48Croftonnokia owns qt?
11:15.04zeckeCrofton: not only that
11:15.05hrwwill
11:15.22Croftonis this news?
11:15.28zeckehrw: they already have 66(,6666)% of the stocks :}
11:15.33Croftonor are you guys spreading rumours ?
11:15.41zeckeCrofton: it is on the trolltech.com website
11:15.48Croftonheh
11:15.58Croftonwow not even on /. yet :)
11:15.58zeckeCrofton: it might be hacked though
11:16.11zeckehttp://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236
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11:19.36Croftonnokia is buying everything
11:23.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 1732 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <Laibsch>
11:23.06cdbot2* * fbvncserver and libvncserver-0.7.1
11:23.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732
11:28.41LaibschShould a CVS bb file lock down a specific check out or date?
11:29.30LaibschWhy is versioning policy " cvs packages should use +cvs, e.g. foo_1.3+cvs20051106" otherwise?
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11:37.05T0mWHi all, I have a consumer device (Zipit Z2) that comes with a 2.6.21 kernel installed into a PXA-270.  On this device, I cannot see to kernel boot messages so I am blindly working at getting angstrom to run.
11:37.20T0mWI can build a filesystem that boots, but not angstrom.
11:37.31Laibsch~seen pgf
11:37.34ibotLaibsch: i haven't seen 'pgf'
11:37.37Croftonwhat does boot?
11:37.53T0mWThe angstrom filesystem plays dead, I suspect that it is the oabi vs eabi stuff
11:38.44T0mWIf I set ARM_ABI = "oabi" in my machine spec, is that all that is needed to build an oabi system against angstrom-2008.1 ?
11:39.55T0mWCrofton: as far as I can tell, nothing works.  I've tried echo-ing to /dev/tty0 & /dev/tty1.  That will work on the old filesystem, I can spit text onto the screen via /etc/init.d/rcS
11:39.57Croftonwhy not just build eabi?
11:40.17T0mWwell, I think it has to do with the kernel that is pre-installed
11:40.29Croftonah, you are using pre-installed kernel?
11:40.35T0mWyes
11:40.42Croftonwe can't reaplce it easily?
11:41.27CroftonI'm not sure the best way to switch to oabi in that case
11:41.28T0mWnot sure, I've considered that.  the cmdline of the existing kernel says "console=/dev/ttyS0 115200" so the kernel boot messages are going to a non-existant device.
11:42.09Croftonthe var you mentioned may do the trick
11:42.17T0mWa cat of /proc/mtd does show three Flash partitions, so, I may be able to overwrite the existing Flash?
11:43.28T0mWI was thinking of buildiing the mtd modules, then trying to replace the existing kernel a try.  but, I'd not done this before and not sure how to go about it.
11:43.30Croftonwe should be able to build an oabi image
11:43.55T0mWCrofton: how can I tell which is which?
11:44.09Croftonnot sure
11:44.15Croftonfile maybe
11:44.20T0mWI've looked in /sys and /proc but no clues as to the kernel.
11:44.38Croftonas in eabi vs oabi?
11:44.39T0mWAFAICT, I've been building oabi in the old distro + machine files
11:44.44T0mWyes
11:45.03Croftoncan you see kernel config?
11:45.46T0mWI don't know if they put it in there, let me see if I can reach into the filesystem can copy out /boot/config
11:46.35Croftonset TARGET_OS = linux-gnueabi for eabi
11:46.42CroftonI think the alternative is just linux
11:47.00T0mWCrofton: I've pulled some things out of their filesystem, it is very tiny though.
11:47.13Croftonlook in packages/linux/linux.inc for the config options that get played with
11:47.48T0mWI don't use the packages/linux stuff, I have my own bb file dir
11:48.15T0mWBBFILE_COLLECTIONS = "upstream local"
11:48.23Croftonthat file shows the config options
11:48.26Croftonyeah
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11:52.52T0mWCrofton: you ever work with mtd ?
11:53.33T0mWCrofton: I still think that I should take the good filesystem kernel, set console=/dev/tty and replace it in Flash via mtd
11:53.35Croftonno
11:53.47T0mWCrofton: maybe prpplague has
11:55.06Croftonyeah
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11:57.55CroftonOK, I n honor of completing office constructions I have added an OE todo note on my copmuter
11:59.36XorACrofton: btw how do you want this poodle packed?
11:59.53Croftonhmmm
12:00.05CoreDumphrw: I've sent an email to the poodle guy
12:00.12XorACrofton: its in a box, but I could just tape it in some bubble wrap
12:00.14Croftonin such a way as I can claim I use it if they rumage through my bags :)
12:00.25Croftonhow big is the box?
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12:01.06XorA6 inches in all directions
12:01.21XorACrofton: nots it original box
12:01.41CoreDumphrw: I'm not very comfortable with hosting NAND backups. Someone might decide he has a copyright on some obscure part of the image and sue...
12:01.46Croftonlets use bubble wrap
12:01.54XorACrofton: ok
12:01.58hrwCoreDump: drop them then
12:02.12CroftonI'll just pretend I am paraoid
12:02.22Croftonnot that they will bother me coming back in to us
12:02.23Jin^eLDre
12:02.26hrwI will be back in 20-30 minutes
12:02.43Croftonanyone used a crosstool tool chain with OE?
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12:02.57Croftonthis is not something I would normally do ....
12:03.04Jin^eLDCrofton: you mean "just some" external one?
12:03.08CoreDumpoh, lol
12:03.11Jin^eLDone that was not produced with OE?
12:03.17XorACrofton: so you dont want the Terrorists Handbook on poodle then
12:03.18Croftonyeah
12:03.24Jin^eLDCrofton: I did a couple of times
12:03.26Croftonno, that what not be good
12:03.29Croftonok
12:03.41Croftonanyway, I already have a copy of the anarchist cookbook
12:03.48CoreDumpthis retarded **** still has me under moderation on angstrom-devel. Teaches me right to try help someone I guess.
12:03.48Jin^eLDof course it sucks to do so but sometimes there's no choice, needs some environment settings but works
12:03.59T0mWCrofton: no filesystem as we know it.  They have one 3Meg app, Zipit2, while appears to be their /sbin/init replacement
12:04.14Croftonheh
12:04.16T0mWs/while/which
12:04.39T0mWyeah, so, it looks like the console= thing so I can get kernel messages
12:05.58xjqia1ping XorA
12:06.21XorAxjqian: I dont beleive you
12:06.50xjqianXorA: the libdbus?
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12:07.02XorAxjqian: yes
12:07.09XorAPackage: dbus
12:07.10XorAVersion: 1.0.2-r9
12:07.10XorAArchitecture: armel
12:07.11XorAMaintainer: OpenEmbedded Team <openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org>
12:07.13XorADepends: update-rc.d, libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libc6 (>= 2.5), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.0)
12:07.50xjqianXorA: let me double-check my build env
12:10.54xjqianfor some reason libdbus was not packed into the rootfs for me, weird
12:14.08XorAmust be time for lunch
12:15.21zeckephilippe: ping?
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12:24.44T0mWif run.do_compile defines CC as: "CC="arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=xscale", then it is compiling my app as eabi and not oabi?
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12:26.55hrw|gonemickeyl: hi
12:27.03mickeylmorning hrw
12:27.03hrwre
12:27.17hrwmickeyl: nice site you have as drlauer-research :)
12:27.24CoreDumpmorning
12:27.44zeckehrw: where?
12:27.51CoreDumpdr. mickey sounds way cooler =)
12:28.29mickeylhrw: heh, how did you stumble over it?
12:28.46mickeyljust planning for the future
12:28.49mickeyl:)
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12:32.17hrwzecke: drlauer-research.com
12:32.51hrwmickeyl: whois on one of your domains
12:33.30mickeylaah
12:33.32mickeylthe MX record
12:34.11Croftonwhat happened to fosdem2008 in the wiki?
12:34.17Croftonunder events?
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12:36.09mickeylhmm
12:36.12mickeylwas it there once?
12:36.17mickeyli didn't add it yet
12:37.49mickeyldone
12:38.13zeckemickeyl: you are forced to share a room with me (again) :)
12:38.25*** topic/#oe by mickeyl -> OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | Web: http://www.openembedded.org | Bugtracker: http://bugs.openembedded.net | Repository: monotone.openembedded.org | OE will be @ FOSDEM 2008 (http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2008), please help us organizing and visit our booth | This is not a distro support channel
12:38.35mickeylzecke: looks like it, yeah
12:42.21XorACrofton: http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2008
12:43.47wvdschelhow many of you will be attending?
12:43.55wvdschelI'm going to pay a visit :)
12:44.24mickeyl6 or 7 at least
12:44.47wvdschelgood, good :)
12:47.19Croftonit was there once upon a time
12:51.47zeckepb_: hey
12:56.58_law_hi is bugzilla down?
12:57.21_law_ok wrong url
12:58.34mickeylworks from here
12:58.39mickeylbugs.openembedded.net
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13:02.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 3716 has been created by law(AT)a1.net
13:02.06cdbot2* * git-native 1.5.3-r1 doesnt build
13:02.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3716
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13:04.19pb_hi zecke
13:17.14keesjI do learn a lot from oe but currently I am really sucked on the glibc (I guess this is a very had part)
13:18.04keesjhttp://paste-it.net/6049 this is where I am at now ( and I tried hacking arond for the last few days / changing makefiles etc
13:20.54zeckekeesj: did you google for that?
13:21.48zeckekeesj: is that build working for others?
13:23.42keesjit contains arm related patches, it works for the mamona arm target
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13:24.37keesjsomehow I have the feeling I am the first really trying to compile things for this arch
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13:25.24keesjfor exampe I had to change classes/kernel-arch.bbclass so that x86_64 is seend a valid arch
13:26.23zeckekeesj: do you run on x86_64 or do you compile for it?
13:26.43keesjx86_64,i386 x86 => x86_64 i386 x86
13:26.55keesjzecke: booth
13:27.08zeckekeesj: and yes, binutils, gcc, glibc have a love and hate relationship with each other and sometimes there are cross compile bugs, this means your host architecture is taken into account and not your target
13:27.41zeckekeesj: you are probably really the first, googling and changing binutils version until it is working is one option
13:28.44keesjperhaps I can try a vannila glibc or a more recent one?
13:31.05Croftonlego fans, check out google
13:31.41keesjthe thing is that I only want to be able to play with it , perhaps I must "just" try to compile to and other arch like 586
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13:32.16keesjCrofton: nice , usually I can click on the image to know why it is like that
13:32.26XorAkeesj: 50 years of lego bricks
13:33.06keesjhow cool is that :P
13:33.27XorAmaybe those data center crates of googles are really filled with lego :-)
13:34.02keesjI did a preseantion last week about testing and I used lego to attach my devices
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13:38.02hrwXorA: you will attend fosdem?
13:38.11XorAhrw: yes
13:38.45hrwXorA: then respond to tosa thread on OE (reply to my just-sent mail)
13:38.46hrw;D
13:39.14XorAhrw: I shall wait 4 hours for oe.org to send messages
13:39.52hrwyep - thats ugly part of ltg
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13:41.04XorAyo lumag
13:41.13lumaghi!
13:41.15lumaghi XorA
13:41.40XorAlumag: you are  Dmitry Baryshkov ??
13:41.44hrwhi Дми́трий
13:42.21lumagXorA, yes
13:42.28lumaghrw: hi :)))
13:42.40XorAlumag: we were just discusssing Tosa machines and FOSDEM :-)
13:42.51lumagoh.
13:42.55hrwXorA: and Dmitry
13:42.55lumag!logs
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13:43.13hrwlumag: basically - XorA will be at fosdem
13:43.27hrwI will not. He also has OE tosa
13:45.21lumagok.
13:45.29XorAlumag: will you be at FOSDEM
13:45.32XorA?
13:46.19lumagUnfortunately, no. A week ago my wife gave bith to our child, so I'm currently a bit busy here :)
13:47.05XorAlumag: ah, forking like hrw
13:47.07lumagHopefully one of my colleagues will visit FOSDEM.
13:47.17lumag:)
13:47.26XorAlumag: well if he does, give me a should before hand and let me know his name to find him
13:47.34XorAs/should/shout/
13:47.49lumagof course :)
13:48.04XorAand we can make sure an extra tosa gets to you
13:48.21XorAgot to get that child started early :-)
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13:53.48floriangood morning
13:54.09Croftongm
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14:00.19mickeyllumag: did the jacket arrive yet?
14:00.35lumagmickeyl: not yet.
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14:00.46mickeylhmm bummer. i don't know how long a parcel to .ru takes usually
14:01.00lumagmickeyl, do you have any tracking number?
14:01.15mickeylno, it has been sent by airmail, not by courier
14:01.15lumagit can be 2 or 3 weeks.
14:14.11CIA-3603koen 07org.oe.dev * r26852238... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-xserver/xorg-xserver-common.inc): xorg-xserver-common.inc: fix typo
14:14.19CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rcc839991... 10/ (23 files in 21 dirs):
14:14.19CIA-36divers: delete 22 empty directories
14:14.19CIA-36* skipping packages/netbase/ since those seem to be used albeit incorrectly
14:14.27CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * rf26d6980... 10/ (1 packages/vnc/fbvncserver_0.9.4.bb):
14:14.27CIA-36fbvncserver: remove dependency on version 0.6 of libvncserver. 0.8.x and 0.9 are fine.
14:14.27CIA-36* unbreaks build when RDEPENDS line is commented out (the kmodule still fails to build)
14:14.27CIA-36* reorder fields according to StyleGuide
14:14.28CIA-36* closes 1732
14:14.35CIA-3603koen 07org.oe.dev * r0ff7b192... 10/ (87 files in 9 dirs): linux-ezx: add 2.6.24
14:14.48CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r847b7160... 10/ (1 packages/mysql/mysql_4.1.18.bb): mysql: make sure all files are packaged. Add -dbg package while we are at it.
14:14.57CIA-3603Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * re5a4ea76... 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
14:14.57CIA-36conf/machine: Go back to treating all Strongarm devices the same.
14:14.57CIA-36* http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2008-January/004031.html
14:14.57CIA-36<PROTECTED>
14:15.06CIA-3603mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2576615c... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): dbus 1.1.1 update to 1.1.4 (aka 1.2.0 RC2)
14:15.14CIA-3603koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r7f38dc36... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007: bump to r3
14:15.21CIA-3603Bernhard.Guillon 07org.oe.dev * rf8452fb3... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
14:15.21CIA-36Revision: 40ab8178005b44226c94200bdcb19bca0262e49c
14:15.21CIA-36Ancestor: 0f7dd726f77b3066a94b7670832cc04148fcd721
14:15.21CIA-36Author: Bernhard.Guillon@opensimpad.org
14:15.21CIA-36Date: 2008-01-13T12:16:57
14:15.23CIA-36Branch: org.openembedded.dev
14:15.25CIA-36Modified files:
14:15.55Crofton<PROTECTED>
14:16.05zeckeCrofton: hehe
14:16.32zeckephilippe: are other osso guys online?
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14:41.20XorAmickeyl: you can ditch that DEBIAN_NAMES python in dbus_1.1.4.bb
14:45.32mickeylyep
14:45.36mickeylsome further updates coming along
14:45.43mickeyl*cleaning up that directory*
14:45.50XorAmickeyl: just checking you realised that
14:45.55mickeylsure
14:46.01mickeylthanks
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14:47.16mickeylcan we compile compatible packages with OE?
14:47.35mickeylor did you yank the complete distro?
14:48.09XorAmickeyl: we can compile compatible packages
14:48.20mickeylexcellent
14:48.22XorAmickeyl: rschuster did a distro.conf for it
14:48.25mickeylaah
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14:48.36RPXorA: Which toolchain is it using?
14:48.41XorAmickeyl: its in his svn
14:48.43RPXorA: The csl one or not?
14:48.48XorARP: csl
14:48.59mickeylXorA: oh. why is it not in OE?
14:49.00mickeylrschuster: ?
14:49.14XorAmickeyl: the guy that bought dinner for the whole of OEDEM
14:49.15RPI have some fixes for the csl toolchain and sysroot
14:49.31mickeylXorA: i know. note the ':' :)
14:49.57mickeylRP: coolies. in with it :)
14:50.05XorAhttp://evolvis.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/oe-overlay/conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf?rev=340&root=jalimo
14:50.21XorAI made one change locally to take into account that I repackaged dbus
14:50.21mickeylpretty cool
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14:50.35mickeylit should go in
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14:50.47RPmickeyl: We're still waiting on me to merge the sysroot support. I keep trying and then the size size of the job overwhelms me ;-)
14:51.01RPmickeyl: Hopefully there will be some movement on that soon...
14:51.15zecke~lart MSI...
14:51.16ibotexecutes killall -HUP MSI...
14:51.25mickeylRP: yeah, that would be much appreciated
14:52.11XorAmickeyl: I think we need to get the maeom patched gtk+ into OE though, stuff doesnt quite work right
14:52.14RPIs OE.dev interested in the ton of -sdk packages I added to poky btw?
14:52.37mickeylRP: which ones, e.g.?
14:52.56RPmickeyl: qemu-sdk, libx11-sdk and the X stack
14:53.03mickeylsure thing
14:53.04rschusterXorA: if you think chinook-compat.conf is ok for OE put it in
14:53.30XorArschuster: its probably not perfect, but there is such an interest in it, people will quickly improve it
14:53.53RPI would love to see a maemo gtk in OE...
14:54.10mickeylya, why not
14:54.48rschusterRP mickeyl: but for a long time this distro conf will only allow building compatible packages. not a whole distro
14:54.50XorAchinook-compat.conf is on its way to OE
14:54.56rschusterXorA: thanks!
14:55.13XorArschuster: no thank you for doing 99.9999999% of the work
14:55.16pb_hi mickeyl
14:55.28mickeylrschuster: that's fine. _some_ people are not interested in replacing everything on a device ;)
14:55.31mickeylhail pb_
14:55.34RPrschuster: poky can generate sato images for the nokia so we have lots of the pieces in place though
14:55.49RPwith working wifi now...
14:55.56mickeylRP: awesome
14:56.10rschusterRP: kernel included?
14:56.43RPrschuster: It can rebuild the kernel in a way the wifi module can be reused and since its on the initrd, you can still reflash the rootfs
14:56.47pb_grr, gcc-cross-kernel 3.3.4 doesn't seem to stage anymore.  I wonder how that got broken.
14:56.50hrwrschuster: Poky has 2.6.21 kernel from os2008
14:57.03rschusterah ok.
14:57.17hrwI should have n810 iin this week
14:58.00hrwand then: good bye zaurus machines (except c760 used to test poky/armv4-5)
14:59.19hrwRP: spitz is nice as developer tool indeed
14:59.25hrwnative builds etc
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15:01.20XorAat least spitz has more accurate GPS than n810 ;-)
15:01.23hrw~spell consitently
15:01.49Croftonconsistently
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15:03.30ant|work* ant wonders why linux-rp-2.6.24 is not yet the preferred kernel for Zaurus...
15:03.42CIA-3603mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r4f688461... 10/ (33 files in 6 dirs): clean up dbus directory, remove unused patches, make better use of .inc file
15:03.48CIA-3603mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r88b6d0d5... 10/ (1 conf/distro/maemo-1.0.conf): remove maemo-1.0.conf which is clearly outdated ("include familiar"...)
15:03.53CIA-3603xora 07org.oe.dev * r416609d9... 10/ (1 conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf):
15:03.54CIA-36chinook-compat.conf : a distro to make packages for n8x0 machines without
15:03.54CIA-36reflashing them. From Robert Schuster.
15:04.05hrwbtw - maemo is still compiled for armv5te?
15:05.56RPthree commits at the same time, the automerge will have fun :)
15:06.07RP(I pushed qemu changes that second too)
15:06.10mickeylheh
15:06.24mickeylmonotone stability seems rock solid these days
15:06.29mickeylnever had any problem with 0.38
15:06.32mickeylyou?
15:06.38CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r426e966e... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add qemu 0.9.1 from poky and make it the deafult since it fixed a ton of bugs
15:06.40hrwI had
15:06.46CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdc89094b... 10/ (68 files in 5 dirs): qemu: Remove versions with negative default preferences and cleanup
15:06.51hrwbut rather due to your server mickeyl...
15:07.09hrwbrb
15:07.16zeckemickeyl: oh your server is already set up
15:09.17RPmickeyl: Just that its slow ;-)
15:09.40mickeylzecke: no, not really
15:09.57mickeylthe server is ordered and will be shipped mid-februaray
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15:10.07mickeylmonotone.oe.net is pointing to my private machine atm.
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15:10.18mickeylwhich runs an mtn server but is not autosynced
15:10.23mickeylso, just a fallback
15:10.57mickeylRP: ya, speed could be better...
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15:20.17GNUtoohello, after building opie-image i have things like this: ls: ./Settings: Input/output error
15:22.17zeckeGNUtoo: is your flash full?
15:22.27GNUtoozecke, qemu...
15:22.52pb_is your disk broken?
15:23.05zeckeGNUtoo: e.g is this on your machine or the machine you installed Opie on?
15:23.06GNUtoopb_, i see no bad dmesg messages
15:23.17zeckeGNUtoo: where is the corelation between opie-image and ls: ./Settings?
15:23.29GNUtoozecke, MACHINE        = "qemuarm"
15:23.37GNUtoothat appears on qemu
15:23.47zeckeGNUtoo: what did you do after bitbake opie-image? flashed qemu?
15:24.23GNUtoozecke, nothing just that:  qemu-system-arm -hda  Angstrom-opie-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080128-qemuarm.rootfs.ext3  -kernel zImage-qemuarm.bin  -append root=/dev/sda -M versatilepb -serial /dev/stdout -m 256 && reset
15:25.20zeckeGNUtoo: where is 'ls' then coming from?
15:25.33GNUtoozecke, from inside the serial console of qemu
15:26.42zeckeGNUtoo: now try to put everything in a sentence that makes sense :)
15:26.54T0mWLOL
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15:27.34zeckeGNUtoo: So you build an image, execute it using qemu, login, and then type ls and you get an error?
15:28.06GNUtooyes
15:28.35zeckeGNUtoo: how big is the image, how big is the ext3 file, and what does the kernel think about the size?
15:28.42zeckeGNUtoo: did you run ext2fsck on it?
15:29.13GNUtoozecke, ext3fsck yes and it was bad...but now i've rebuilt the opie image and it works fine...strange
15:29.55GNUtoobut qemu doesn't have a touchscreen and i'm stuck at "tap anywhere to on the screen to continue" in opie
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15:30.14zeckeGNUtoo: what do you try to say? now things work?
15:30.20XorAjust hit the screen harder
15:30.27zeckeGNUtoo: sorry, I sadly don't understand
15:30.30GNUtoozecke, yes after a rebuild
15:30.44zeckeGNUtoo: you can try the neo1973 version of qemu, it has emulation for more hardware
15:31.03zeckeBTW: anyone got the mail address from quim gil?
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15:31.06GNUtoozecke, ok thanks good idea, but there is no way to bypass this screen?
15:31.21GNUtoo(i already have it...must change gcc for building it)
15:32.01GNUtoo(because gcc-3.4.6-r2 is broken on gentoo)
15:32.13zeckeGNUtoo: if you don't have a touchscreen, how do you want to start and use any of the applications?
15:32.58GNUtoozecke, isn't it like qtopia...with a variable we can switch between mouse and touchscreen
15:33.02hvontres|workGNUtoo: IIRC qemu can emulate a touchscreen using a wacom tablet
15:33.11GNUtoohvontres|work, ok thanks
15:34.04zeckeGNUtoo: well, then your question is not how you can bypass the touchscreen calibration screen but how to use another mouse
15:34.13zeckeGNUtoo: and how to configure QtE to show a cursor...
15:34.35zeckeGNUtoo: and seriously I have no interest in QtE 2 and Opie
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15:34.48GNUtoozecke, my question are 1) how to bypass the screen 2)how to use a mouse
15:35.13GNUtoozecke, so what environnement do you use? none? another?
15:35.33zeckeGNUtoo: if you do 2nd first 1st will go away otherwise touch /etc/pointercal but these questions are off-topic here
15:35.43zeckeGNUtoo: I work on my own Epicenter
15:36.12stelioskthat's a nice one... debian etch can't build 2.6.24 kernels...
15:36.53stelioskneeds to get a newer binutils.....
15:38.06GNUtoook thanks
15:38.28LaibschGNUtoo: You should use qemu from poky
15:38.34LaibschAnything else never worked for me
15:38.38hrwLaibsch: OE has Poky qemu now
15:38.41LaibschThey also have packages for download
15:38.57Laibschhrw: Yes, if you want to build your own, fix PATH, etc.
15:39.08LaibschI did that when the packages had not been updated
15:39.11hrw?
15:39.16GNUtoook thanks
15:39.24Laibschbut just installing the packages is easiest, ATM, I think
15:39.30Laibschhrw: what is unclear
15:39.32Laibsch?
15:39.43LaibschI believe GNUtoo wants to run an image.
15:39.59GNUtooyes
15:40.04LaibschSo, the best for him IMHO is to install the packages, including poky-scripts
15:40.33LaibschHe could of course "bitbake qemu-native" and use the result, but that is more tedious
15:42.52RPLaibsch: For reference Poky's toolchain tarballs have a standalone qemu binary now
15:43.15Laibsch;-)
15:43.53RPLaibsch: Thats fine if there is a package available ;-)
15:44.12RPThe tarball only touches /usr/local/poky so its not so bad...
15:44.16LaibschShouldn't we all be running ubuntu or debian ;-)
15:45.29RPLaibsch: Seriously, that isn't an option for everyone and this gives us a way to solve a multitude of problems...
15:45.37Laibschsure
15:45.40LaibschI understand
15:46.34RPLaibsch: Even just maintaining packages to the various debians is in reality a nightmare for something as fast moving as qemu :(
15:46.58LaibschIs it?
15:47.18LaibschI am only just starting, but there are very helpful tools out there
15:47.39LaibschI assume you are aware of them?
15:47.53hrwLaibsch: 4-6 versions of debian/ubuntu to support. each with other libs...
15:48.09RPLaibsch: I don't make the debs but the people who do are extrememly capable ;-)
15:48.12LaibschYou guys know about PPA for ubuntu?
15:48.26LaibschIt is an autobuilder
15:48.54LaibschI just upload the definition and compilation and libs for different distro releases are automatically being taken account of
15:49.06LaibschThe definition hardly ever changes
15:49.15LaibschIt is sort of like a bb file that you maintain
15:49.30RPLaibsch: The problem is this is a hacked qemu so upstream don't want to touch it
15:49.32LaibschI think there is no such thing for debian, yet
15:49.49RPLaibsch: also the definition does change a lot, there is a horrible patch set
15:49.57Laibschrp: that should still not interfer with creating the package at all
15:50.05broonieLaibsch: Well, there's backports.org
15:50.31Laibschbroonie: Is that automatically compiled for anybody uploading there *.dsc?
15:50.37Laibschbroonie: I can hardly images
15:50.41Laibschimagine
15:51.03Laibschrp: You should really check out PPA for ubuntu.  It is relatively new and makes things much easier
15:51.13broonieAnyone with a key in the keyring, which I think is restricted to developers.
15:51.17LaibschI can upload your qemu stuff ever once in a while if you want me to
15:51.29brooniegiven that that there's only one release at once it's noddy enough to do builds for stable anyway.
15:51.32Laibschbroonie: good for those with a key ;-)
15:51.56broonieWell, I can't see why anyone would bother using it except to publish stuff.
15:52.24XorAwe just need OE to become fully self hosting :-)
15:52.38Laibschbroonie: We are talking about publishing stuff
15:52.47Laibschbroonie: and taking the hassle out of maintaining packages
15:53.04brooniepublishing != autobuilding
15:53.17Laibschyes?
15:54.38Laibschrp: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/launchpad-ppa
15:54.49LaibschRP: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
15:56.17RPLaibsch: It only covers gutsy/hardy, not any of the useful ones...
15:57.10hrwXorA: OE was selfhosting year ago
15:57.31hrwXorA: I built angstrom-console-image under angstrom-console-image/i586
15:58.06Laibschrp: not true
15:58.12Laibschyou can go back further
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15:58.50LaibschRP: it goes back to dapper
15:58.54Laibsch6.06
15:58.57Laibschhttps://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive
15:59.13Laibsch-> "click on PPA supported series"
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16:03.19RPLaibsch: I think last time our debian guys looked it didn't. I've mentioned it to them though
16:03.26hrwhave a nice evening all
16:04.07Laibschrp: Check it out.  I think it will save you some time and help with fresher packages
16:04.48hrw|gonehttp://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/28/waiting-for-n810-to-arrive/
16:07.41RPLaibsch: It doesn't help, you need a different source package for each distro you want to target
16:07.58Laibschno, again not true
16:08.49RPLaibsch: Its what I've just been told
16:09.11Laibschwell, I have done it and did not need to change anything but ChangeLog
16:09.27LaibschFirst line of that file is the important one
16:10.00Laibsch"debchange;debuild -s;dput -f ../*.changes" is usually all that is necessary
16:10.12Laibsch"debchange;debuild -S;dput -f ../*.changes" is usually all that is necessary
16:10.43RPLaibsch: It is not as simple as that, there are more subtle problems. I trust the person telling me that too.
16:11.21LaibschWell, if the package *does* need to be compiled differently, than of course, there is no way around that
16:11.46broonieThe usual issues are created by the packaging tools and standards for them changing between releases.
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16:12.07LaibschBut taking OE as an example, you don't usually need to change a bb file because you want to compile for a different distro
16:12.33LaibschWhat you upload to the PPA is basically nothing but a bb file, upstream source and your patches
16:12.41LaibschVery similar to OE, indeed
16:12.46broonieYou'll also run into trouble if the build dependcies change incompatibilty.
16:12.52Laibschthe PPA then compiles the stuff for you
16:12.52XorAno, but on debian based distros the dependency names tend to change all over the joint
16:12.59RPbroonie: I think thats the case with the qemu packages
16:13.15broonieI'd expect so, it's got graphical stuff in it.
16:14.48XorAreminds me, I need to learn to do debian packages properly at some point
16:15.11RPXorA: I'd probably find it easier to teach OE to make them :)
16:15.20XorARP: it already can :-)
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16:16.26RPXorA: I mean with proper dependencies for the distros in question
16:16.29broonieXorA: It's really not very hard unless you get into interesting install time configuration.
16:16.51XorAbroonie: yeah I made one a few weeks ago
16:16.59XorAbroonie: but its a bit of a mess
16:17.11LaibschRP: Where is the source for your qemu packages?
16:17.26broonielintian will spot most of the obvious problems for you.
16:17.27XorARP: well I had hoped the embedian guys would give in and teach OE how to do that :-)
16:17.47XorAbroonie: yeah, I just need to sit with the manual and learn
16:18.01RPLaibsch: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/misc/trunk/qemu-packaging/
16:18.04broonieIs there anyone actually working on embedian except Neil?
16:18.06RPXorA: That would be good
16:18.52XorAbroonie: I dont think so
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16:42.36Bernardoguys, a OT question - I'll have to travel to Brussels in  a week, what (affordable) hotel you recommend? Which will you be staying at FOSDEM?
16:42.43XorACrofton: I see NYPD want to outlaw noses
16:42.53XorABernardo: OE is at Astrid
16:43.00XorABernardo: www.astridhotel.be
16:43.25BernardoXorA: thanks
16:43.41XorABernardo: its ok as hotels go, nothing fancy, but comfy
16:43.54BernardoI was thinking of staying at Bedford, but I've seen some awful reviews
16:44.23XorABernardo: novatel about 100 years down the road is fancier, but a bit more expensive
16:44.28XorA100 yards
16:44.36XorAor meters for wierd .eu types :-)
16:44.45Bernardoany ideas on the average rates at the astrid? I don't need a fancy place, but wifi would be a bonus
16:44.58XorABernardo: 70 euro a night for FOSDEM
16:45.07kergothoe/oz sites back fine after the domain issues?  there any dns changes that need to be made?  we'll definately have to get the domains transferred to someone actually involved in the project nowadays sometime soon
16:45.10kergothheh
16:45.30XorAwhoa, kergoth at a vaguely .eu timezone :-)
16:45.48XorAkergoth: not got MV converted to OE yet then?
16:46.01kergoth:P it's not /that/ early, just 9:45am here, usually i'm at work around 9, on the days i dont work from home
16:50.09BernardoXorA: thanks, booked at the astrid
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17:11.15LaibschOE has $sbindir.  one of my packages installs a file into $sbindir and I want to call it in postinst.  How do I deal with the situation where $sbindir is not /usr/sbin ?
17:11.49XorALaibsch: use ${sbindir} in postinst
17:12.04XorALaibsch: it will get expanded by OE before writing to package
17:12.16LaibschNo, that is not what I want
17:12.36XorALaibsch: that is what you asked
17:12.46Laibschhm, not really
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17:12.51LaibschI have a script
17:13.06XorALaibsch: if you change ${sbindir} value then everything will change accordingly
17:13.07LaibschLet me give you the diff
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17:13.59kergothit sounds like laibsch is using sbindir in his script that he installs, in which case he'd just need to sed it in the do_install, but he hasn't really been that clear about his question, heh
17:14.14LaibschXorA: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/xora.diff
17:14.34Laibschkergoth: yes, sorry
17:14.39Laibschbut you got my drift
17:14.45LaibschWas a bit difficult to explain
17:16.10LaibschRP: https://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all took me the three commands I gave you earlier and I replaced one word with debchange
17:16.21LaibschThe build took a bit longer to actually start
17:17.17XorALaibsch: what kergoth said, use sed
17:17.32XorALaibsch: or cheat and echo that line into the file from inside a .bb
17:17.32LaibschOK, thanks
17:17.53LaibschMaybe, I'll cheat and echo the whole file ;-)
17:20.18pb_g'day kergoth
17:20.55RPLaibsch: Thats poky-scripts, not qemu
17:21.14LaibschI know
17:21.21Laibschqemu is homework for you
17:21.22Laibsch;-)
17:21.33LaibschIt was just an example
17:21.34RPLaibsch: qemu is the hard one...
17:21.43LaibschLucky you ;-)
17:22.07LaibschWhat price do I get if it builds the same way?
17:23.00RPLaibsch: eternal glory?
17:23.05florianmickeyl: wb
17:23.10pb_RP: ah, font-util doesn't fetch now.  It's looking in /releases/individual/data/ for the tarball, whereas it's actually in /.../font/.
17:23.11kergothhey pb_, RP, florian
17:23.19florianzecke, mickeyl: You have mail...
17:23.25florianhi kergoth
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17:24.03LaibschRP: OK, eternal glory it is
17:24.04Laibsch;-)
17:24.12RPpb_: ah, I'll fix that
17:24.43lumagnight!
17:25.36zeckeflorian: I forgot to CC you on the mickeyl's response :}
17:27.05florianzecke: you always forget me ;)
17:28.18zeckeit might be on purpose?
17:28.34zeckeflorian: replied you
17:28.47florianzecke: !
17:29.08zeckeflorian: the bits you didn't get where on: Der Vorstand kann bei der KDE e.V. die Rollen unter sich ausmachen
17:29.11RPpb_: fix pushed
17:29.28zeckeflorian: and we need a "Notar" for the protocol and registration of the e.V.
17:29.40zeckeflorian: for the founding assembly you are right we need a proper protocol..
17:30.36zeckeback to work now :)
17:30.36pb_RP: thanks
17:30.39Croftonwill we have a proper founding ceremony?
17:30.49florianzecke: yes... i have some lines and a link to a comperhensive description in my second mail.
17:31.05Croftonalso, in the prebuilt tool chain in the user manual
17:31.12zeckeCrofton: if we don't mess up yeah
17:31.19Croftondoes the setting of machine and distro work
17:31.25Croftonzecke, work hard :)
17:31.51Croftonit seems like the example sets them to arbitrary values, do the files need to exist?
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17:43.31VoodooZ_anybody using apex with an ixp42x board in LE mode with angstrom?
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17:49.42Croftonanyone familar with using an external tool chain know what the web page means by HOST_TOOLS path?
17:50.00Jin^eLDCrofton: i can send you my sample script
17:50.08Croftonthat would be great
17:50.24Jin^eLDok one sec
17:50.27Croftonthans
17:50.31Jin^eLDnp
17:50.34CroftonI am looking at the web page
17:50.50CroftonI suspect it is basically ok, we should clean it up some
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17:56.54Jin^eLDre, was on the phone, soz
17:57.00Jin^eLDok one sec :)
17:57.41Croftonnp
18:00.43Jin^eLDok, on the way
18:03.15gints_somthing strange is goin on... when I made build I got no space left on device... I free up space and after then it does only one package per bitbake.... each new package first fail to configure.. next this package goes ok
18:03.50CroftonJin^eLD, did you have to create machine and distro files?
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18:09.02Jin^eLDCrofton: yes
18:09.14Jin^eLDwell, for machine I reused one of my configs
18:09.18Jin^eLDit was ARM so easy stuff
18:09.24Jin^eLDbut for distro I had to match their crap
18:09.35Jin^eLDso had to pick a matching glibc
18:10.29Jin^eLDI was not building a full ditsro though, only separate packages, that worked out quite well
18:10.49Jin^eLDI usually have to mess with external toolchains when I compile my UPnP server for various NAS boxes (i.e. as addition to vendor hardware)
18:11.19Jin^eLDwhat system are you messing with?
18:11.44CroftonPPC based system
18:13.36Genesisa+
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18:28.50ant_hi all
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18:30.19ant_RP: the latest qemu has circular dependencies on glibc_2.6.1 (do_package)...
18:30.36ant_RP: I'm I supposed to rebuild it?
18:31.01ant_s/Am/I'm/
18:31.30ant_well..is not my day....
18:31.44ant_s/I'm/Am/
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18:32.53WitchHello there. I'm a programmer from The Netherlands, and I'm trying to set up an OpenMoko development environment. I have an iMac G5 with Virtual PC installed, in which I installed Ubuntu (so as to have a standard environment). When using the MokoMakefile to make a development image, I get an error: "/usr/bin/env: bad interpreter". Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong? The error is...
18:32.54Witch...issued by bitbake.
18:33.44ant_Witch: wrong channel
18:34.13Witchant_: I'll hang out in #openmoko as well, I'll stay there..
18:34.37ant_Witch: correct, some developers are common
18:35.11Witchant_: If you have any idea, you're welcome to hop over there, ofcourse ;-)
18:35.45ant_Witch: sorry, cannot help with openmoko
18:36.00ant_Witch: no idea
18:37.06Crofton/bin/sh is dash?
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18:37.23Croftonthat is a wild guess, based on what others have said about ubuntu
18:37.23Witchant_: Since this is BitBake _itself_, and nothing OpenMoke specific, I tried over here. Just typing 'bitbake/bin/bitbake' gives the error.
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18:38.02keesjWitch: is python installed?
18:38.12WitchCrofton: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-12-01 19:29 /bin/sh -> bash
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18:38.50Witchkeesj: Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, May  2 2007, 16:56:35)                      
18:38.51Witch[GCC 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)] on linux2                        
18:38.52WitchType "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
18:39.28ant_Witch: did you *install* bitbake or did you copy it in a dir and updated by hand?
18:39.53Witchant_: The MokoMakefile retrieved and bilt bitbake for me.
18:40.13ant_Witch: then I cannot help you...
18:41.04keesjWitch: do a head -n 1 `which  bitbake `
18:42.21Witchkeesj: I don't think it's in my path. I know where it _is_, though...
18:43.50keesjI don't remeber how it worked with openmoko. sorry and python is kown as python and not python2.5 or similar i hope
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18:48.03Witchkeesj: No, python is just 'python'
18:50.36keesjWitch: does you path contain "." ?
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18:51.52Witchkeesj: no, it doesn't (and shouldn't, as far as I know...)
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18:57.22keesjhmm ok I run into the same problem with glic_2.6.1 as with 2.5. the first problem is that the kernel headers are missing mainly asm-x86_64 in my case (asm-x86_64/unistd.h that is pointed by from asm/unistd.h)
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19:09.41gremlin[it]hi all
19:11.21gremlin[it]how can i force to build an image without EABI (so OABI) ??? using angstrom stable 2007.1 as distro ... some variable i can set in local.conf or my-machine.conf ... thanks!
19:12.35Croftonthat should be a faq
19:13.06CroftonTARGET_OS = linux I think?
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19:15.34gremlin[it]Crofton the bad think is that i'm building for an arm9 ... so armv5te that support eabi and so all is eabi ... i have to disable (causae i'm doing some sort of legacy system) ...
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19:17.25CroftonI understand
19:17.45CroftonI think TARGET_OS=linux wil buidl oabi binaries
19:18.06Croftonmickeyl, ping
19:18.27mickeylpöng
19:18.56Croftondid you see my post on generic distro?
19:19.07Jin^eLDbtw what TARGET_OS builds eabi stuff?
19:19.18Croftonlinux-gnueabi I think
19:19.43CroftonI think it is set in distro, but you can override from local.conf
19:20.06gremlin[it]Jin^eLD, Crofton ... in my local.conf at now TARGET_OS is unset .... so probably angstrom set it ... let's try :)
19:20.12Jin^eLDthx
19:20.18Jin^eLDyeah I just found it, distro conf sets it
19:21.38mickeylCrofton: you're right. i just replied to that.
19:21.41Croftonthanks
19:21.50gremlin[it]Jin^eLD that's sure ... but i don't know exactly how to override in local.conf :)
19:21.51CroftonI think the key thing is we clearly define what it is
19:21.54mickeylright
19:22.09Croftonto prevent it becomign the distro for people that do not like Angstrom :)
19:22.11mickeyli guess i just take a couple of hours tomorrow and strip angstrom 2007 down into minimal.conf
19:22.33CroftonIf it builds without a line, leave it out :)
19:22.35mickeyl(yes, this is the 3rd reason, but for diplomatic reasons i left it out)
19:22.39Croftonyeah
19:22.49Croftonme too
19:23.15Croftonwe may need to look at how images build, they may have angstrom dependencies we should work around
19:24.10CroftonWind River invited me to the 2008 Mobile WOrld Congress
19:24.16Croftonwith a blank email
19:24.17mickeyloh
19:24.18Croftonmorons
19:24.18mickeylthat's nice
19:24.20mickeylheh
19:24.22mickeylthat's dumb ;)
19:24.24Croftonyeah
19:24.44gremlin[it]what mean 'blank email' ?
19:24.54Croftonno content
19:24.59Croftononly the unsubscribe line
19:25.06gremlin[it]hahahah only subject/title ... HAHAHAH
19:25.09Croftonsuspects all the content is html or something
19:25.11zeckeCrofton: maybe they have a secret message in the header?
19:25.36XorAprobably Outlook renders a webpage from X-Hidden-Header:
19:25.49Croftonah view as html, I alwys set that to plain text
19:26.06Croftonwhat Limo
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19:27.46Jin^eLDCrofton: at least they did not send you a black mail with a .doc as attachment ;)
19:27.51Croftonyeah
19:28.22keesjWitch: one more and last "idea" did you by any chance used
19:28.35keesjwrong programs to transfer the files?
19:28.56keesjwhat does file bitbake/*/bitbake say?
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19:43.17Witchkeesj, ant_: it turned out that I have my openmoko build dir on a different file system, and I needed the 'exec' permission in /etc/mtab!
19:43.47WitchSo, I'm now 'bitbaking' my openmoko files.
19:43.56WitchThanks for the pointers!
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20:06.05gremlin[it]Crofton, Jin|away .. th creation of the armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi don't sound good :(
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20:15.23gremlin[it]how can i check if i'm building a oabi or eabi toolchain / libc ???
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20:27.46gremlin[it]angstrom-glibc.inc contain TARGET_OS = ... that override all (both local.conf and my-machine-conf) grrr
20:28.54mickeylERROR: Task /local/pkg/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/qemu/qemu-native_0.9.1.bb (do_package) has circular dependency on /local/pkg/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc_2.5.bb (do_package)
20:28.56mickeylanyone seen that?
20:28.58mickeylnews to me
20:30.58Laibschmickeyl: Yes, I think somebody already reported it about 30 mins ago
20:31.03mickeylah
20:31.09LaibschRP ?
20:32.25Laibschmickeyl: Did you see
20:32.29Laibsch!oebug 3711
20:32.31cdbot2* * Bug 3711, Status: NEW, Created: 2008-01-23 13:23
20:32.32cdbot2* * <Laibsch>: offline wikipedia
20:32.33cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3711
20:32.44LaibschI think we are quite close
20:32.55mickeylcool
20:33.03LaibschI mailed the guy and he told me that there are already people using his stuff on iphones
20:33.16LaibschI have not worked on it yet
20:33.21summatusmentisLaibsch: you nick highlighted me yesterday, what's up?
20:33.26LaibschBut the steps seem quite clear
20:33.44Laibschsummatusmentis: -> hentges.net
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20:34.25mickeylaah
20:34.26mickeyldo_package
20:34.54mickeylhmm, no
20:34.55mickeyldamn
20:35.27mickeylah, it's libsdl-native
20:35.40summatusmentisLaibsch: ah yes, my bad, wrong window
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20:46.56RPmickeyl: hmm :/
20:47.22mickeylkind of strange
20:47.50mickeylthis is a fresh checkout
20:47.59mickeylon a new build machine
20:48.00RPThe new circular dependency logic in bitbake should help with these kind of errors
20:48.10RPMine is parsing now...
20:48.28RPShould be done in a couple of hours :/
20:50.26mickeyloooh
20:50.29mickeylheh
20:51.46mickeylhmm, no
20:53.03RPqemu-native.inc in poky is rather different to that in oe. Specifically the lack of an inherit native
20:55.31mickeylindeed
20:55.36mickeylhmm, who changed that last time?
20:56.04mickeylah
20:56.09RPmickeyl: I guess each -native .bb did this...
20:56.24mickeyladding inherit native makes it work again
20:56.48RPWithout that it doesn't inhibit the default dependencies and hence pulls in glibc
20:56.52mickeylyeah
20:57.10mickeyli just wonder which revision that came with
20:57.13mickeylmust be very recent
20:57.22RPI broke it earlier
20:57.26mickeyloh you?
20:57.27mickeylgood.
20:57.36RPI assumed the -native had the inherit native
20:57.49mickeylright
20:57.56mickeylthe proper fix is to do it in the -native.inc then
20:58.01mickeylwill you or shall i?
20:58.19RPI'll fix, I just want to check something first
20:58.23mickeylk
20:58.36RPThe qemu files need some cleanup :/
20:58.43RPThis was an attempt to start that...
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21:04.58GNUtoohow do i download poky's qemu for gentoo...it's only for debian or apt-based distributions...
21:05.59RPGNUtoo: Use a toolchain tarball from the poky autobuilder then
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21:21.11GNUtooRP, i have made a find ./ | grep qemu and it didn't find qemu on both arm and i586 folders...
21:21.34RPGNUtoo: how about qemu-arm ?
21:23.12GNUtooRP, the tarballs comes from there: http://pokylinux.org/releases/blinky-3.0/and are poky-3.0-blinky-arm-toolchain.tar.bz2 and poky-3.0-blinky-i586-toolchain.tar.bz2  
21:23.43ljphcid.conf for openmoko is wrong and contains class fro desktop as opposed to a phone
21:23.44RPGNUtoo: Try http://pokylinux.org/autobuild/toolchain
21:25.04CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re6d6ee58... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
21:25.04CIA-36packages/bluez/: Unkludge "files" dir.
21:25.04CIA-36* Start with bluez-dtl1-workaround stuff.
21:26.06CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r4ba7dc2b... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): bluez-utils 3.23: Move hciattach-ti-bts.patch to version-specific dir.
21:26.59CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r1c44ae3b... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
21:26.59CIA-36bluez-utils: Move version-overridable stuff away from files/.
21:26.59CIA-36* Or it will be pulled in randomly.
21:27.30CIA-3603pb 07org.oe.dev * r5a2bd088... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross-kernel-3.3.4_3.3.4.bb):
21:27.30CIA-36gcc-cross-kernel: permute targets in do_stage to avoid 'No such file or
21:27.30CIA-36directory'
21:28.11CIA-3603thesing 07org.oe.dev * rdbc92be1... 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): commit latest collie work from thesing (zaurus-2.6.inc, linux-rp*, task-base)
21:29.25CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rd039068c... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-font/xorg-font-common.inc): xorg-font-common.inc: Fix SRC_URI
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21:30.20CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r654323da... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
21:30.20CIA-36applied changes from 9814a7ac8b5ebeadd190ad216196e5efd3a70ff3
21:30.20CIA-36<PROTECTED>
21:30.20CIA-36bluez-utils 3.23 and friends: Set FILESPATH explicitly and correctly.
21:30.48thesinghi everybody
21:31.13CIA-3603pfalcon 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r2037125f... 10/ (1 BACKPORTS.txt): BACKPORTS.txt: Note 33c44c7c7ce5fce5da6c869be191126d5fca6f96
21:31.54Laibschmickeyl: xapian is as easy as pie to compile in OE (re offline wikipedia)
21:32.05Laibschmickeyl: How would one compile http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/quickstartindex.cc
21:32.12LaibschIt uses xapian
21:32.23LaibschWould we need a xapian-native then
21:32.28LaibschOr libxapian?
21:34.19mickeyli need to look into that
21:34.21mickeylcan't tell it offhand
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21:35.00mickeylwell, it's a header file
21:35.06mickeylso i guess you need to add libxapian
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21:40.30GNUtooRP, i have ./poky-qemu: line 52: .: filename argument required for # ./poky-qemu "/oe/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/qemuarm/zImage-2.6.23-qemuarm-20080127233927.bin" "/oe/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/qemuarm/Angstrom-opie-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080128-qemuarm.rootfs.ext3"
21:41.21RPGNUtoo: I suspect it can't guess the machine or image type from those filenames
21:41.49RPqemuarm usually uses ext2
21:43.32CroftonI just had bibtake nano fail because it could not find ipkg-build
21:45.32GNUtooRP,it doesn't work  even with MACHINE=spitz , i'll try to make an ext2 image
21:46.29RPGNUtoo: I'm just guessing at the problem, those scripts are simple so you could always debug them directly too
21:47.24ljpXorA: hcid.conf for openmoko is wrong and contains class for a desktop as opposed to a phone, so it gets reported as a desktop when scanned
21:49.54pb_hi ljp
21:52.03ljphey pb
21:53.12GNUtooRP, thanks a lot it works
22:00.21CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r8aaa63b7... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): qemu: Fix missing inherit native and cleanup various files
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22:03.09XorAljp: file a bug please
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22:11.09RPljp: I remember being told that was intentional so the device could advertise more features...
22:19.29florianre
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22:22.33mmphello, what happened to oe bugzilla?
22:23.27mmpahh, .net :)
22:31.54apaulsenqemu-native seems to have a staging error: http://rafb.net/p/GL0mvF43.html
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22:35.26ant_apaulsen: building right now..task 157
22:45.20CIA-3603thebohemian 07org.oe.dev * r69912ac0... 10/ (1 conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf):
22:45.20CIA-36chinook-compat:
22:45.20CIA-36<PROTECTED>
22:45.25CIA-3603thebohemian 07org.oe.dev * r8e7f10e1... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
22:45.25CIA-36dbus-java: Added recipe.
22:45.25CIA-36libmatthew: Added recipe (dependency for dbus-java).
22:46.24RPapaulsen: My fault I think. not my day today...
22:47.39apaulsenRP: no worries, I just commented out the '-s' and proceeded
22:47.59ant_apaulsen: built fine on c7x0 angstrom DISTRO_VERSION = "2008.1-test-20080128"
22:48.19RPapaulsen: Actually, I misread that log, there is another problem too :
22:48.21RP:/
22:48.32ant_RP: need logs ?
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22:50.42RPant_: No, I know what the problem is thanks
22:54.25ant_RP: don't forget the gcc-3.4.4 (native) elegant solution for qemu
22:54.57ant_RP: with all that talk about external toolchain...this is an important bit IMHO!
22:55.04RPant_: Don't you think I've broken enough today ;-)
22:56.04ant_RP: that gcc works perfectly and avoid big pain
23:00.16RPant_: ok, I'll commit something to help with that too
23:00.53ant_RP: be confisdent
23:01.18ant_RP: be confident if there are some obscure bug I'll stumble in it!
23:01.41ant_RP: ever heard about Cassandra...
23:05.40ant_RP: any particular reason for the delay adopting 2.6.24 for Zaurus?
23:05.51RPant_: Lack of testing
23:06.08ant_RP: you know, I'm patching sharpsl.c...
23:06.21RPant_: What for?
23:06.41ant_* ant feels dirty and confess: u-boot
23:06.59RPant_: You know my view on uboot ;-)
23:07.12RPin this context anyway
23:07.53RPok, native.bbclass fix, and gcc-native3 changes pushed....
23:08.26ant_RP: about that kernel: fixed cmdline is dictaded by the sharp bootloader passing bogus atags, isn't?
23:09.05ant_RP: solved in 2.6.24, right (first atags, then cmdline)?
23:09.06RPant_: It passes bogus data in the parameter area
23:09.28ant_RP: ok, that's why I'm playing with mtdparts
23:09.32RPant_: 2.6.24 accept a commandline through atags
23:09.52RPatags != parameter area
23:09.52ant_RP: preferred over cmdline?
23:10.16RPant_: atags win over everything else
23:10.25ant_RP: ok, the most important param is the partitioning schema
23:10.31ant_RP: atm
23:10.33RPant_: The bootloader needs to pass them in r1
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23:11.33ant_RP: that's done by the angel bootloader isn't?
23:11.51ant_RP: the first hw init
23:11.59RPant_: no, they're written into address 0xa0001000 iirc
23:12.28ant_RP: I have to study deeper the sources....
23:12.57ant_RP: but can boot all possible images using your kernel...
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23:17.32ant_RP: anyway the orig params  in mtd1 (http://externe.net/zaurus/flash/nandmap.jpg) get overwritten using u-boot
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23:23.08RPant_: Doesn't matter...
23:24.12ant_RP: sorry to bother you again on the matter...hope this is the last time...
23:24.21ant_RP: thx
23:24.31ant_gn
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23:24.46CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r674ed77b... 10/ (1 classes/native.bbclass): native.bbclass: Change prefix so its within the build-arch directory, hence moving on step closer to sysroot. Nothing much uses the prefix path from native.bbclass apart from qemu which this change fixes a problem with
23:24.56CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r2386d883... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-native_3.4.4.bb): gcc-native-3.4.4: Add PROVIDES gcc-native3
23:25.05CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * redeeced1... 10/ (1 packages/qemu/qemu-native.inc packages/qemu/qemu_0.9.1.bb): qemu: Bump PR to make sure nobody is bitten by the native.bbclass prefix issue. Add DEPENDS on gcc-native3
23:25.19CIA-3603rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * re5bcfd0c... 10/ (1 conf/local.conf.sample): local.conf.sample: Document how to avoid compiling gcc-native3, cleanup other ASSUME_PROVIDED documentation
23:28.44mickeylhmm fun
23:28.52mickeyli can no longer stop qemu-arm no longer
23:28.57mickeylkill -9 doesn't work
23:28.59mickeylwtf
23:29.03mickeyland it consumes 100% CPU
23:29.04mickeyl*sigh*
23:29.20RPmickeyl: :(
23:29.25mickeylps -efaux
23:29.26mickeyloops
23:30.13mickeylmmh
23:30.15mickeylreboot time
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