00:05.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3934 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com |
00:05.06 | cdbot2 | * * X loses keyboard and focus after some unspecified time |
00:05.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3934 |
00:13.04 | Tartarus | OK, patch up on 3897 to close it again |
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02:14.45 | zecke | RP: hey, eloberate on your feeling once you are awake |
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02:43.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3935 has been created by dannytaylor(AT)visi.com |
02:43.07 | cdbot2 | * * Aircrack-NG fix |
02:43.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3935 |
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03:19.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3936 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com |
03:19.06 | cdbot2 | * * Key widget is broken |
03:19.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3936 |
03:21.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3937 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com |
03:21.06 | cdbot2 | * * Card widget is broken |
03:21.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3937 |
03:30.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3938 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com |
03:30.06 | cdbot2 | * * Marvel 8385 libertas driver will not wake from suspend 2.6. 24 |
03:30.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3938 |
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04:08.50 | Tartarus | Anyone with commit privs around? |
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07:45.24 | Esbe1 | Am I right in that do_stage has been phased out, and all previous usage of do_stage should be moved to do_populate_staging? |
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07:56.19 | XorA | xjqian: are you sure 3741 blocks 2674 they look to be totally different issues apart from the word tslib being used in both bugs |
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08:36.56 | hrw | morning |
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08:53.09 | Genesis | bonjour |
09:00.07 | RP | Esbe1: No, use do_stage. do_populate_staging runs do_stage |
09:00.32 | RP | morning all |
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09:05.27 | ant|work | gm |
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09:10.05 | ant|work | RP: how would you call the mini-kernel for initramfs? linux-rp-initial-2.6.xx ? Including linux-rp-initial-2.6.inc? |
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09:10.53 | ant|work | RP: you see: we don't need special hacks for the command line or sharp headers once we are booting a kexec'ed kernel... |
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09:12.21 | RP | ant|work: linux-rp-mini since intial sounds like something that always has to build before linux-rp (like glibc-initial) |
09:12.46 | RP | ant|work: and what commandline hacks do we have? |
09:13.05 | ant|work | RP: e.g. noinitrd |
09:13.41 | ant|work | RP: (and mtdblock2 instead mtd2) |
09:13.53 | RP | ant|work: So just change the commandline through atags |
09:14.56 | ant|work | RP: yes, but the first mini-kernel get lauched by angelboot = no atags... |
09:15.36 | RP | ah, so you want to hack that one ;-) |
09:15.43 | ant|work | RP: last but not least, to avoid the mix "uclibc" / "glibc" I'm building that kernel in uclibc "mode". Right? |
09:16.30 | RP | My point was that it doesn't matter what the commandline is for the second if you're kexecing it |
09:16.52 | ant|work | RP: crytal clear |
09:16.57 | ant|work | *crystal |
09:18.04 | ant|work | RP: atm the size is way too big...hrw gave me some interesting defconfigs but having a bootmenu.cpio.gz >780 kb scares me... |
09:18.39 | ant|work | RP: while the kexec-stuff.cpio.gz is only 100 kb |
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09:26.11 | ynezz | RP: another bitbake exception http://pastebin.com/m11907ba0 |
09:26.23 | Jin^eLD | morning |
09:26.57 | RP | ynezz: What did you run to make it do that? |
09:27.00 | RP | hi Jin^eLD |
09:27.17 | ynezz | bitbake --continue maemo-image-ynezz |
09:27.27 | Jin^eLD | hey RP, let's see how far I get today :) |
09:27.35 | ant|work | Jin^eLD: hey |
09:27.40 | Jin^eLD | hi |
09:28.18 | RP | ynezz: I have no idea how that "59" gets in there and I can't reproduce here :/ |
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09:30.07 | ynezz | ah ok |
09:30.35 | ynezz | I was able to build it until yesterday update of bitbake |
09:32.39 | RP | ynezz: I don't doubt its a bug, I just don't know how to reproduce it |
09:32.51 | ynezz | I can give you my image/task bb so you might be able to reproduce it |
09:32.58 | ynezz | or I can try to find out how that 59 got there |
09:33.36 | RP | ynezz: It looks like a number instead of a string which is intersting and makes me suspect some of the recent code changes |
09:34.43 | ynezz | ok, I'll try to revert back to some older revision of BB when I get back home |
09:34.57 | ynezz | and might give you exact revision which cause the problem |
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09:35.10 | ynezz | if it helps you |
09:36.01 | RP | ynezz: It could do, yes. If you also share the .bb file i'll see if I can reproduce |
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09:43.51 | XorA | hrmm, why doesnt opkg pick up libcurl.pc |
09:44.46 | zecke | RP: hey, you said you had an idea? should gcc-cross be in the depends of gcc-cross-sdk? |
09:45.57 | ynezz | RP: ok, I have it at home so I can send it later today |
09:59.25 | ant|work | FYI roundcube v0.1 http://roundcube.net/ |
10:02.32 | ant|work | CoreDump: hi |
10:02.34 | RP | zecke: I think there are multiple issues |
10:02.55 | RP | zecke: The good news is I know how to hack it to make it work. The bad news is I don't like the hacks :/ |
10:03.20 | RP | zecke: I'll send you a mail about it since its going to be easier to explain that way |
10:03.35 | zecke | RP: i think it is a feature to not use the staging gcc, this avoids version mismatches |
10:04.03 | zecke | RP: the bad thing is, we need a c library there, and the gcc recipes are ugly and the CC_TARGET_FLAGS... for sdk are... |
10:04.36 | RP | zecke: Agreed. The question is how to convince the -sdk build it should use xgcc |
10:05.12 | RP | zecke: and there is some madness in the gcc configure which puts junk into the flags regardless of which approach we use :/ |
10:06.05 | zecke | RP: the madness is not the issue, the i686/include is, coming directly from our recipe hell |
10:06.22 | RP | zecke: yes, but if we remove that it doesn't fix anything |
10:06.36 | RP | zecke: well, it does fix something but not the original problem |
10:06.37 | zecke | RP: if that is arm-linux/include it is working :) |
10:07.01 | RP | zecke: it doesn't work with arm-linux/include |
10:07.24 | zecke | when invoking xgcc manually with the right staging dir, it compiled |
10:07.32 | methril | morning |
10:07.34 | zecke | (tested only one file though) |
10:07.36 | RP | zecke: It would later fail unable to find libs |
10:07.37 | Jin^eLD | hi methril |
10:07.55 | RP | zecke: so then we add the libs directories and it breaks in other ways |
10:08.21 | methril | hi <Jin^eLD> how is your ucLinux receipe?? :) |
10:08.23 | RP | zecke: The underlying problem is it adds "build_tooldir" into the target flags in a variety of forms |
10:08.35 | Jin^eLD | methril: if it was just one recipe it would be done by now ;) hehe |
10:08.38 | RP | it should really add --sysroot= |
10:08.50 | Jin^eLD | methril: still struggling with various weird issues |
10:09.22 | methril | at least working :) |
10:09.29 | Jin^eLD | far from that |
10:09.42 | Jin^eLD | one of my problems that is that I seem to need a specific toolchain |
10:09.48 | Jin^eLD | s/that// |
10:10.08 | Jin^eLD | and it turned out more difficult to get that to compile than I originally thought |
10:10.59 | methril | then i've to put hands on too |
10:11.15 | methril | because the mips compiler is another toolchain too |
10:11.17 | zecke | doing monkey tasks now :) |
10:11.34 | Jin^eLD | apaulsen was also interested in this, so we are 3 now |
10:11.37 | methril | what task is that?? |
10:11.50 | methril | zecke? |
10:13.03 | Jin^eLD | methril: I am not sure if you need a special compiler, you could probably work with what is arleady in OE; I need something for uclinux eabi (arm) and from what I can see that is only available in code sourcery |
10:13.15 | Jin^eLD | but I may be wrong of course, maybe compiling for arm eabi and then postprocessing with elf2flt is also enough |
10:14.12 | Jin^eLD | I think you can work with the existing toolchain, so for you the imporant steps would be to make sure that TARGET_OS is processed by OE in a special way so it knows we are building uclinux stuff, adjust uclibc configuration, and postprocess with elf2flt |
10:14.32 | Jin^eLD | I did some work on the TARGET_OS thing so I could list you the caveat places |
10:14.50 | methril | aja |
10:15.04 | methril | later i'll take a look on this |
10:15.15 | methril | now, i've to work with ARM |
10:15.43 | Jin^eLD | also uclinux? |
10:16.44 | methril | no, with arm no |
10:16.52 | zecke|monkeytask | methril: writing .desktop files |
10:17.39 | RP | zecke|monkeytask: I've sent you an email... |
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10:20.26 | zecke|monkeytask | RP: thanks |
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10:33.40 | Jin^eLD | that's when building uclibc-initial: install: cannot change permissions of `/include': No such file or directory |
10:33.55 | Jin^eLD | anyone had this? I did not touch the uclibc .bb files yet |
10:34.06 | Jin^eLD | and I recall it was working before hmm |
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10:39.21 | Jin^eLD | doh.. time to get some lunch.. |
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10:57.24 | florian | hio all |
10:58.10 | hrw | hi florian |
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11:06.04 | methril | hi |
11:08.16 | Esbe1 | What is the status of packaged staging? Is it in, and is there any documentation on how it is implemented? |
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11:16.16 | hrw | Esbe1: in progress |
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11:37.57 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5491bc87... 10/ (1 packages/glib-2.0/glib.inc): glib-2.0: use autotools_stage_all to catch all libs, glib >= 2.15.0 adds extra libs |
11:38.00 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd776481a... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): glib: add 2.15.6 |
11:38.06 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9b109398... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom 2008 preferred versions: add glib and sort |
11:38.11 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb4c10101... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: bump webkit-gtk, epiphany and gypsy |
11:38.16 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r40b43c5c... 10/ (9 files in 3 dirs): webkit-gtk: move over to autotools |
11:38.20 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0a5c9b1c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): midori: update to new webkit api |
11:38.25 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd37ccc0c... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): openmoko2: update browser to new webkit api, remove feedreader from task-openmoko-pim |
11:38.33 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0029c026... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/epiphany_2.21.92.bb): epiphany: add 2.21.92 to match webkit api |
11:38.39 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rebf3cb9d... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-browser2/webkit-update.patch): |
11:38.39 | CIA-38 | openmoko-browser2 webkit patch: remove cruft |
11:38.39 | CIA-38 | * hail diffsplit! |
11:38.59 | zecke | hehe |
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11:40.27 | hrw | time to update OE and check that webkit in Poky ;D |
11:43.03 | zecke | hehe, koen did my work, will put his patch and make it upstream |
11:49.54 | hrw | zecke: take one from Poky too - ok? |
11:50.43 | hrw | zecke: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky/trunk/meta/packages/webkit/files/fix_im.patch?rev=3727&view=auto |
11:51.20 | zecke | hrw: ask alp :) |
11:51.50 | hrw | ;D |
11:54.49 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r98700fc1... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-browser2_svn.bb): openmoko-browser2: maxrev patch since it's upstream now |
12:02.20 | Esbe1 | which bitbake version is required or preferred when working with packaged-staging, svn trunk? |
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12:15.47 | Jin^eLD | re |
12:15.48 | Jin^eLD | two portions were way too much |
12:15.50 | RP | Esbe1: 1.8 svn head |
12:15.50 | Jin^eLD | I should eat less |
12:17.45 | zecke | Jin^eLD: eating less meat? |
12:18.02 | Jin^eLD | that's should be the plan.. it never works out |
12:18.28 | Jin^eLD | had one surschnitzel with rice, and then 2nd round - serviettenknoedel with some geselchtes meat |
12:18.41 | zecke | lol |
12:18.55 | Jin^eLD | not funny, I can barely breathe now |
12:19.03 | Jin^eLD | I'm happy I made it back to my workplace |
12:19.04 | Jin^eLD | :) |
12:19.55 | RP | zecke: Any thoughts on that email or should I just add the changes? |
12:20.01 | Jin^eLD | RP: I never had to care about it - that's why the eating quantities got out of control, but now I'm kind of old, soon 31 will knock me out - and I see that I am starting to gain weight too |
12:22.30 | RP | Jin^eLD: I just eat too much compared to my comparitive lack of exercise... |
12:22.46 | Jin^eLD | same here |
12:22.50 | Jin^eLD | excercise equals zero |
12:22.56 | Jin^eLD | I really need to start doing something |
12:23.26 | RP | I'd like to find "something" I don't mind doing... |
12:23.52 | Jin^eLD | my problem is that I use every spare minute to code on my project, which is so exciting that I barely find time for anything else |
12:23.59 | Jin^eLD | I thought about bying a WII :) |
12:24.09 | Jin^eLD | I tried this boxing game at a friends place, I could barely breathe after 2 minutes of playing |
12:24.20 | Jin^eLD | main thing I dislike about the WII are the childish graphics |
12:24.43 | RP | Jin^eLD: I spend too much time on Poky/OE/kernels/computer stuff :/ |
12:25.27 | Jin^eLD | RP: let's face it - we are nerds :) |
12:25.43 | Jin^eLD | in that sense bying a WII for excercise would be a niec nerdish solution :> |
12:25.48 | Jin^eLD | s/niec/nice/ |
12:25.57 | RP | Jin^eLD: no comment ;-) |
12:26.00 | Jin^eLD | =) |
12:27.52 | zecke | XorA: you will have to schedule some time tomorrow and friday for me |
12:28.02 | zecke | XorA: you will be forced to abuse your big qtopia bb file a bit more... |
12:28.34 | zecke | RP: having a bike, and saying rollerblade is not safe? |
12:28.44 | Jin^eLD | I actually have a mountainbike in the cellar, but I did not take it out for almost a year now :P |
12:28.53 | RP | zecke: I find the bike much safe ;-) |
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12:30.00 | RP | zecke: If I could stop properly I might feel safer |
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12:38.09 | mr_nice | RP: good, save and easy way to stop with rollerblades is to jump into grass ;) |
12:38.31 | Jin^eLD | that reminds me of the jackass videos ;) |
12:39.27 | RP | mr_nice: Assuming there is grass around :) |
12:43.28 | mr_nice | RP: well, good point :) |
12:44.30 | RP | mr_nice: The problem is compounded by the number of hills around here ;-) |
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12:52.38 | Jin^eLD | still fighting yesterdays problem... NOTE: consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-angstrom-uclinuxeabi-libc-for-gcc - it *is* defined! I now physicalle moved away all *glibc* recipes and the message is gone |
12:52.47 | Jin^eLD | let's see how far I get |
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12:54.15 | undertook | hi all |
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13:07.04 | zecke | XorA: ping |
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13:07.58 | Jin^eLD | hey apaulsen, how is it going? |
13:08.26 | apaulsen | hi Jin^eLD, I got u-boot on my blackfin board last night, so good! |
13:08.39 | Jin^eLD | I'm still battling with weird issues in OE |
13:08.42 | Laibsch | RP: Not sure why, but glib-2.0 recently broke http://rafb.net/p/YT8iA254.html |
13:08.48 | Laibsch | for Sharp ROM |
13:08.56 | Laibsch | IIRC, it used to build fine |
13:09.28 | apaulsen | Jin^eLD: I haven't tried anything with OE for blackfin yet, just using uclinux by itself for now |
13:09.56 | Jin^eLD | I see |
13:10.12 | Laibsch | RP: possibly related bugs are 2185, 3325 and 3777 |
13:10.23 | Laibsch | just from a very quick glimpse |
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13:11.24 | Esbe1 | which hook should be used for staging, do_stage or do_populate_staging ? |
13:11.58 | Esbe1 | I thought that do_stage were being phased out, but it is in many recipes, and using do_populate_staging seems to break when using packaged-staging. |
13:11.59 | RP | Esbe1: do_stage |
13:12.02 | Esbe1 | ok. |
13:13.36 | Esben | without packaged-staging, it seems like do_stage hooks are not being called... |
13:14.10 | RP | Esben: If that were the case, people would be complaining an awful lot ;-) |
13:14.14 | RP | Laibsch: I'll run a test build |
13:14.47 | Laibsch | Cool |
13:14.47 | Laibsch | Thanks |
13:15.20 | Esben | RP: right :-) |
13:22.13 | zecke | RP: quick thought: gcc4.1 is broken the same way (at least for Esben it seemed to be) |
13:22.57 | RP | zecke: Yes, I think gcc-cross-sdk is broken for most versions :/ |
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13:32.44 | Esben | as we have a gcc-native recipe, why isn't there a glibc-native? |
13:33.50 | zecke | Esben: because gcc comes with a c library? and this was good enough to compile the other native stuff (back then)? |
13:34.02 | hrw | Esben: we have gcc3-native |
13:34.20 | Esben | Ok, fair enough :-) |
13:37.35 | RP | Esben: gcc-native is just so people with gcc4 can compile a gcc 3 for qemu |
13:39.20 | Genesis | hey RP i wrote an little grubimage.bbclass , perharps you'd like to look at , i think itcan be useful for qemu image |
13:39.36 | XorA | zecke: gnop |
13:40.18 | zecke | XorA: I need the following. You have to touch this ugly Qtopia recipe that I have never seen and don't want to see |
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13:41.17 | zecke | XorA: we need to build Qtopia/X11 (there is a README.x11 in the tree), install it the same way, and then install some more files (the apps-x11 directory to /usr/share/applications and some of the pics as well), probably adding proper prefixes while installing |
13:41.41 | zecke | XorA: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtopiaOnX11 with the git uri, it built for raster |
13:42.37 | XorA | gah you want everything |
13:43.54 | XorA | WTF is openmoko building xoo for???? |
13:44.00 | zecke | XorA: this is for friday :) |
13:44.22 | XorA | zecke: so you need SRC_URI changed and a few arguments flipped? |
13:45.16 | zecke | XorA: and some ugly extra copying for freedesktop.org files |
13:45.42 | zecke | XorA: and if you are crazy also xsession script changes (xmodmap) and starting the qpe process |
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13:51.26 | ScaredyCat | is there a bugtracker or somesuch for oe ? |
13:51.38 | XorA | RP: xoo configure seems to be ignoring --sysroot* arguments, I assume something needs added to configure.ac? |
13:52.41 | apaulsen | ScaredyCat: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ |
13:53.05 | RP | XorA: You mean pkgconfig ones? |
13:53.22 | zecke | XorA: are you going to work on it? |
13:54.11 | XorA | RP: well its calling gcc without any --sysroot arguments (and therefore failing) |
13:54.30 | apaulsen | has anyone built Koen's new webkit? I'm getting sanity errors during staging: http://rafb.net/p/2ZksQ060.html |
13:54.32 | XorA | RP: Im not quite sure how this all slots together yet |
13:54.42 | RP | XorA: It shouldn't need a --sysroot option? |
13:54.59 | RP | XorA: We compile the compiler so it has a sane default for --sysroot |
13:55.26 | XorA | /lib/libc.so.6: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
13:56.23 | XorA | which I guess means it got the hostfs /lib not the staging /lib |
13:57.36 | RP | XorA: I'd be interested to see the commandline that was compilng with |
13:58.12 | XorA | RP: http://rafb.net/p/23KYMa45.html |
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13:58.58 | XorA | zecke: I shall have a go tomorrow |
13:59.11 | XorA | zecke: I dont feel like 2 hour builds this afternoon |
14:01.29 | RP | XorA: Add expat to DEPENDS and use 1971 as SRCREV |
14:01.38 | RP | XorA: Some kind person fixed this already in matchbox svn ;-) |
14:01.47 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra877d0fa... 10/ (1 contrib/angstrom/build-release.sh): angstrom build release: do uclibc stuff first, so initramfs kernels build properly |
14:01.57 | XorA | RP: heh heh |
14:02.03 | ScaredyCat | ta apaulsen |
14:08.11 | XorA | RP: that cracked it thanks |
14:08.32 | XorA | RP: how do you keep all this knowledge in a single human head? I think you have brains in jars on shelves :-) |
14:10.17 | Crofton | apaulsen, they are pkgconfig errors |
14:10.36 | Crofton | I wonder if he did the work b4 pulling RP's changes from yesterday? |
14:10.43 | apaulsen | that's what I was thinking |
14:11.08 | RP | I had tweaked some of the webgit .pc files and it looks like the broken again |
14:11.54 | RP | XorA: heh, I wish ;-) |
14:12.23 | hrw | XorA: maybe RP has army of own clones? |
14:12.26 | XorA | RP: so on the subject of tweaking .pc files, what is the style to be adopted, vte.pc and libsexy.pc both now fail sanity |
14:12.27 | ScaredyCat | has anyone built libspiff recently? |
14:12.42 | XorA | ScaredyCat: keep your drug addled libs out of here :-) |
14:13.08 | ScaredyCat | dude, no way |
14:13.15 | XorA | RP: is it as simbple as reducing them to -I${includedir} |
14:14.13 | RP | XorA: Basically yes, no hardcoded paths should be being added, they should be using macros like that |
14:14.30 | RP | XorA: Sometimes its easier to add Requires or Requires.private |
14:14.57 | XorA | RP: point me at a good example of fiddling and Ill have a go |
14:15.06 | ScaredyCat | XorA: I'm getting a lot of sanity check failures too ... vte.pc, pycairo, webkitgtklibxslt, libsexymofo |
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14:17.21 | RP | XorA: libmatchbox does it right |
14:17.29 | XorA | RP: cheers |
14:17.47 | RP | XorA: For .private stuff have a look at gnutls or similar |
14:19.17 | RP | XorA: Touching Requires is much easier than touching Libs/Cflags if the upstream dependency has .pc support |
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14:20.45 | XorA | RP: Requires: gnutls means that stuff that uses gnutls.pc requires gnutls? |
14:21.52 | RP | XorA: If I added that, I was confused at the time :/ |
14:22.34 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
14:22.34 | XorA | +Requires.private: gnutls |
14:22.36 | dtahtbot | XorA: Error: "Requires.private:" is not a valid command. |
14:22.53 | XorA | arg, get rid of these crappy bots |
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14:24.43 | XorA | RP: oh wait, wrong .pc file |
14:24.48 | XorA | RP: stupid me |
14:24.57 | hrw | I would kick that dtahtbot bot away |
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14:25.06 | hrw | its #timesys bot |
14:25.07 | hrw | ;D |
14:25.08 | RP | XorA: right, its gnutlsextra :) |
14:25.27 | RP | XorA: You had me wondering about my sanity there ;-) |
14:25.28 | Crofton | ah, industrial espionage |
14:25.36 | XorA | RP: I was distracted by looking for pkgconfig documentation to which there is none on its webpage :-( |
14:25.48 | XorA | crappy freedesktop.org dont beleive in docs |
14:25.51 | RP | XorA: You know the .prviate stuff is static linking? |
14:26.17 | XorA | RP: nope, thats why I was looking for docs :-) |
14:28.35 | XorA | so where there is a -Itmp/gblah/blah/xxxx I can replace that with a Requires: xxx yyy zzz |
14:29.29 | RP | XorA: If that lib has .pc support, yes |
14:29.44 | RP | XorA: also that assumes the lib always needs it |
14:30.05 | XorA | RP: ok, so try and be conservative |
14:30.06 | RP | if it doesn't you need something like libmatchbox has in configure (PANGO_REQUIRED) |
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14:32.39 | rschuster | florian: ping |
14:34.14 | florian | rschuster: pong |
14:36.27 | rschuster | florian: have you reserved a booth for OE @ LinuxTag already? |
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14:37.59 | florian | rschuster: The request is submitted and I'm waitign for feedback... Nils told me that the guys responsible for that are on some other event currently so it might take some days. |
14:38.01 | XorA | RP: so something like http://www.nopaste.org/p/aZ4FU5Bd3 |
14:38.57 | rschuster | florian: OK |
14:39.04 | RP | XorA: Looks good :) |
14:39.13 | chouimat|work | morning |
14:39.15 | XorA | RP: cool |
14:39.27 | XorA | this old dog learns new tricks |
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14:41.15 | rschuster | florian: I got an address where we can propose a workshop. I would like to CC you |
14:41.18 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9ab77b31... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom 2008: prefer dbus 1.1.20 |
14:41.39 | rschuster | anyone else in the mood for teaching OE to the masses? |
14:41.45 | florian | rschuster: ok great - please do so |
14:41.45 | rschuster | :) |
14:41.52 | florian | hehe |
14:42.42 | XorA | rschuster: is linuxtag mostly in german? |
14:43.41 | rschuster | XorA: has a bend towards native speakers yes. but I will do my talk and workshop in english |
14:53.36 | hrw | I will probably attend too |
14:56.31 | Esben | Hmm... How is CROSS_DIR influenced by packaged-staging? |
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15:01.21 | Esben | Let's say I have a recipe that installs files in CROSS_DIR and in STAGING_INCDIR (gcc-cross-initial), shouldn't I end up with an ipkg file in tmp/deploy/glibc/pstage ? |
15:02.04 | RP | Esben: packaged staging doesn't cover cross or native packages yet |
15:03.13 | hrw | I love OH buildbot ;) |
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15:05.57 | CIA-38 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r587c8ea4... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
15:05.57 | CIA-38 | xoo_svn.bb : bump SRCREV and add expat to DEPENDS, fixes compile problems |
15:05.57 | CIA-38 | with new sysroot. |
15:10.50 | XorA | curses OE repo doesnt respond |
15:10.55 | pb_ | lrg: are you familiar with the WM8955? I have a quick question about the output gain registers. |
15:11.39 | broonie | pb_: He's in a meeting ATM - what's the question? |
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15:13.41 | pb_ | broonie: the datasheet says that LOUT1 Volume (register 0x2) sets the gain from -67dB to +6dB (i.e. a range of 73dB), but it also says that there are 80 steps which seems a bit strange. I was wondering if you could confirm what the actual size of each step is. |
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15:15.18 | pb_ | this is page 26 of the rev 4.2 datasheet, fwiw |
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15:19.43 | rschuster | "bitbake -c rebuild" is still broken for me (it does not clean the WORKDIR and starts over). is there a PR to track this? |
15:19.55 | broonie | I'd need to check with the hardware guy who isn't around right now. It does divide down relatively evenly to 0.9125dB steps. |
15:20.52 | broonie | I can't give a 100% guarantee about that but I'd be surprised if it weren't that. |
15:21.33 | pb_ | OK, thanks. |
15:22.11 | ant|work | hey, what's up with apache @ linuxtogo.org? |
15:23.31 | lrg | pb_: sorry, unfortunately not - could you mail apps |
15:23.31 | pb_ | broonie: hm, except that you can't get to 0dB by stepping down from +6 in multiples of 0.9125. It seems a bit strange to me that there wouldn't be a zero gain setting at all. |
15:23.34 | pb_ | lrg: will do |
15:24.53 | XorA | probably a slightly non linear graph like a lot of the volume controls seem to follow |
15:25.29 | pb_ | yeah, that was my guess, but there doesn't seem to be any explanation of the curve in the datasheet. unless it's tucked away in some other section that I haven't noticed yet. |
15:25.46 | pb_ | anyway, my intrepid colleague Gerard is going to mail apps@. we'll see what they have to say. |
15:29.32 | Crofton | what's a few db between friends |
15:29.54 | Esben | Why are cross packages not covered by packaged-staging yet? |
15:30.46 | Esben | It would be nice to know fore sure that fx. gcc-cross-initial files will never be present for other packages than those few that depends on that instead of gcc-cross |
15:35.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3939 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
15:35.06 | cdbot2 | * * glib-2.0-2.15.6-r2-do_configure |
15:35.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3939 |
15:37.01 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6d1947d7... 10/ (1 site/arm-linux-uclibc): arm linux uclibc site: add posix getgrgid_r |
15:37.08 | CIA-38 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * re9838ae7... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): libsexy_0.1.11.bb : add hopefully correct fix for pkgconfig issues. |
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15:42.23 | mohamed | hi all, I was building openembedded but the following error occurred http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58499/, can any one help me ? |
15:44.29 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r069961be... 10/ (1 packages/libxslt/libxslt_1.1.22.bb): libxslt: add 1.1.22 and bruteforce fix pkgconfig files |
15:44.56 | hrw | MACHINE = "sun4cdm"? |
15:45.04 | hrw | mohamed: you know what you are doing? |
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15:45.58 | mohamed | hrw: I'm just trying to build for a sparc arch, and the only machine conf file which has the target arch sparc is that one so I chose it |
15:46.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3939 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <koen> |
15:46.06 | cdbot2 | * * glib-2.0-2.15.6-r2-do_configure |
15:46.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3939 |
15:47.20 | hrw | ah |
15:47.49 | hrw | mohamed: it looks like we do not have kernel for that machine so it started to build any kernel and failed |
15:48.54 | mohamed | hrw: should I neglect the machine conf file, and choose the target arch to be sparc in the local.conf file ? |
15:49.42 | hrw | in theory there is a kernel for it. but why it does not work... |
15:49.50 | hrw | mohamed: sparc is nearly forgotten in OE land ;( |
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15:55.09 | mohamed | hrw: ok I'll try a way around, any way thank you for your time :) |
15:57.55 | Laibsch | RP: wrt bug 3938, where do I add the RRECOMMENDS line so that for people with a libertas card the apm-wifi-suspendfix package is installed? |
15:58.14 | Laibsch | hostap and orinoco were in separate packages that I could add an RRECOMMENDS to |
15:58.19 | Laibsch | How about libertas |
15:58.29 | Laibsch | "locate -i libertas" returned nothing |
16:00.01 | XorA | Laibsch: I found a problem with apm-wifi-suspendfix, the suspend happens before this script even runs :-( |
16:00.18 | XorA | Laibsch: and so it doesnt work so well on resume :-( |
16:00.28 | Laibsch | That's not so funny, then |
16:00.53 | Laibsch | but if the suspend happens before the script runs, why did it fix things for me? |
16:01.04 | Laibsch | I am a bit confused, here |
16:01.05 | XorA | Laibsch: kernel version differences? |
16:01.12 | XorA | 2.6.23 here |
16:02.28 | Laibsch | Not sure which version it was here. |
16:02.37 | Laibsch | Right now, none of my machines boot |
16:02.50 | Laibsch | XorA: Essentially, the script does nothing for you, right? |
16:03.00 | Laibsch | It does not deteriote things? |
16:03.08 | XorA | Laibsch: yes :-( and Im sure it should wait until all apm script have run |
16:03.08 | Laibsch | deteriorate |
16:03.24 | XorA | but no, the card is no more broken after suspend than before script :-) |
16:03.25 | Laibsch | It does deteriorate the status quo? |
16:03.30 | Laibsch | OK |
16:03.34 | Laibsch | I am relieved |
16:03.49 | Laibsch | XorA: I am not sure how to fix this and currently I don't have time for it |
16:03.57 | Laibsch | Can you open a bug report and cc me? |
16:04.15 | XorA | one day when Im not under pressure |
16:05.01 | ScaredyCat | XorA: xoo is fine ... now libspiff :) |
16:05.11 | Laibsch | XorA: come on, reporting a bug is quick |
16:05.24 | Tartarus | Anyone with commit privs around wanna look at the patch on 3897? |
16:09.00 | florian | Tartarus: is this patch known to work? if yes i would check that in |
16:11.36 | Tartarus | florian, lemme do one more rebuild just to be extra safe. But yes, it does fix the thinko in my previous patch |
16:12.04 | florian | Tartarus: ok great - waiting for you :) |
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16:12.54 | Tartarus | florian, yes, it puts things into usr/include/mtd/ now, really |
16:14.33 | XorA | ScaredyCat: now Im onto libspliff |
16:14.52 | CIA-38 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r4576a315... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): vte_0.16.9.bb : add patch to hopefully fix pkgconfig issues with sysroot |
16:15.25 | ScaredyCat | XorA: good, I've been bitching about that one all day :P |
16:15.41 | XorA | ScaredyCat: well first I need to do libxslt :-( |
16:15.58 | ScaredyCat | you have 10 minutes :P |
16:22.18 | aadamson | anyone know whats up with the OE website? I can't get to any of it :( |
16:23.02 | ant|work | Laibsch: have you elaborated a final opinion about oebug 3428 ? Which are the right places for the PREFERRED_PROVIDERS? Machine or distro (with override)? |
16:23.39 | CIA-38 | 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r795685d9... 10/ (1 packages/apmd/files/90-wifi-off): apm-wifi-suspendfix: add libertas to the cards being ejected before suspend. Closes 3938. |
16:23.55 | Laibsch | ant|work: If I had, I'd have posted it there ;-) |
16:24.36 | ScaredyCat | it's not coding XorA ... it's cooking |
16:24.49 | ScaredyCat | besides, you probably broke it :P |
16:25.11 | ant|work | It is a general question, not only for this specific case...I don't see the append _c7x0 much used... |
16:25.53 | Laibsch | ant|work: It would generally be nice if you left me alone with c7x0 stuff |
16:25.59 | Laibsch | I don't own the device |
16:26.09 | Laibsch | And the devices I own don't run |
16:26.20 | Laibsch | => I should really put my time into them |
16:26.34 | Laibsch | And these days, my OE time has to be reduced |
16:26.44 | hrw | bye |
16:26.47 | ant|work | Laibsch: the _c7x0 append is mostly used in the Opie packages |
16:29.32 | CIA-38 | 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0c8de982... 10/ (1 packages/xserver-common/xserver-common_1.22.bb): xserver-common: add 1.22 |
16:29.38 | CIA-38 | 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r0ee0a20f... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mtd-utils: Install headers into correct directory (patch by Tom Rini) |
16:29.44 | Laibsch | ScaredyCat: Why are you looking at me? |
16:30.41 | Tartarus | hey ant|work, did you ever try the smbfs thing? |
16:31.12 | ScaredyCat | mtn: multiple update candidates: |
16:31.12 | ScaredyCat | mtn: 0ee0a20f5d8af386a339a53032acfcaf526b83c1 florian@openembedded.org 2008-03-05T16:18:47 |
16:31.12 | ScaredyCat | mtn: 795685d9c4cce2768321f029142a0224520964b7 Laibsch@openembedded.org 2008-03-05T16:07:22 |
16:31.22 | ant|work | Tartarus: nope, atm I'm building initramfs images in the free time...pls wait |
16:31.34 | Tartarus | k |
16:31.48 | Laibsch | ScaredyCat: That will go away eventually |
16:31.55 | Laibsch | Just pick one you like ;-) |
16:32.16 | florian | ah |
16:32.20 | florian | good timing ;) |
16:32.21 | ScaredyCat | that's why I was looking at you and florian ... trying to work out which one was right :) |
16:32.56 | florian | aadamson: should be back |
16:33.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3938 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <Laibsch> |
16:33.06 | cdbot2 | * * Marvel 8385 libertas driver will not wake from suspend 2.6.24 |
16:33.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3938 |
16:33.22 | Laibsch | ant|work: The answer to your question should be obvious |
16:33.44 | Laibsch | ./conf/machine/c7x0.conf:XSERVER = "xserver-kdrive-imageon" is status quo, but you have a problem |
16:34.04 | Laibsch | the _c7x0 override thing is something new, that hopefully fixes your problem |
16:34.20 | ant|work | Laibsch: but will be a nightmare to mantain... |
16:35.48 | Laibsch | why? |
16:36.08 | Laibsch | I *REALLY* don't care about the c7x0 |
16:36.22 | Laibsch | And I really don't have much time these days |
16:36.30 | ant|work | Laibsch: I told you I'm not talking about the specific case... sigh |
16:36.42 | Laibsch | which is why I'd really appreciate you stopping to contact me on those issues |
16:36.54 | ant|work | Laibsch: could be for a new machine, you see |
16:37.06 | aadamson | florian: yep, it is... thanks |
16:37.10 | Laibsch | And I'd also like you stopping Laibsch'ing me all the time. I think I already told you at least thrice by now |
16:37.23 | Laibsch | You seem like a nice guy, but I want to warn you that you are close to hitting my ignore list |
16:37.55 | ant|work | ??? |
16:37.56 | Laibsch | ant|work: OK, thanks for considering other problems |
16:37.59 | ant|work | bbl |
16:38.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3897 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <florian> |
16:38.06 | cdbot2 | * * mtd-utils-dev is empty |
16:38.07 | Laibsch | I really don't have time today to put some thought into this |
16:38.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3897 |
16:38.42 | schurig | Laibsch: I'm the guy that wrote libertas_cs.ko, but I actually didn't really tried it in suspend/resume |
16:38.53 | Laibsch | schurig: OK |
16:39.01 | Laibsch | Is there a separate package for it? |
16:39.05 | schurig | Laibsch: my device does at suspend time "pccardctl eject" and when resuming, it does "pccardctl insert". |
16:39.16 | schurig | Maybe not the wisest thing, but that works VERY reliable :-) |
16:39.35 | Laibsch | OK, the apm-wifi-suspendfix should do the same |
16:39.37 | schurig | Laibsch: no, libertas & libertas-cs is part of standard kernel 2.6.2x |
16:39.51 | Laibsch | Can it be made into a separate package? |
16:39.59 | schurig | Laibsch: however, it's quite easy to extract libertas from, say. the wireless-testing and compile it out-of-kernel |
16:40.10 | Laibsch | That way, one could RRECOMMENDS apm-wifi-suspendfix |
16:40.13 | schurig | Laibsch: I don't intent to make it an extra package |
16:40.19 | Laibsch | Fair enough |
16:40.47 | schurig | Laibsch: why should in-kernel-stuff be made available as extra downloads? However, the kernel BB files could make it an extra ipkg file ... |
16:41.04 | Laibsch | http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3938#c4 applies then, I guess |
16:41.22 | Laibsch | schurig: hostap and orinoce are separate packages |
16:41.28 | Laibsch | Don't ask me for the reason |
16:41.52 | Laibsch | But it makes it easier in this case because the package can RRECOMMENDS the suspend-hack |
16:41.58 | schurig | Laibsch: however, if somebody sends a fix for suspend/resume for the libertas driver to linux-wireless or libertas-dev, I'm willing to test & ack the patch |
16:42.09 | Laibsch | And it is not installed for everybody not using one of those drivers |
16:42.19 | RP | Laibsch: hostap and orionoco are build inside most modern kernels. They were once external and are not now |
16:42.23 | Laibsch | *if* ;-) |
16:42.42 | Laibsch | RP: What do you suggest? |
16:42.48 | Laibsch | I am fine with the current "solution" |
16:42.58 | Laibsch | apm-wifi-suspendfix is nothing but a hack anyway |
16:43.13 | ynezz | RP: http://ynezz.true.cz/oe.tar.bz2 (4kB), bitbake --continue maemo-image-ynezz end with this exception http://pastebin.com/m11907ba0 |
16:43.22 | Laibsch | But people with orinoco and hostap have the benefit that their stuff should work OOTB |
16:43.27 | ynezz | RP: thanks for looking into it |
16:43.34 | RP | You could make the kernel package RRECOMMEND the hack |
16:43.39 | Laibsch | libertas people don't |
16:43.46 | Laibsch | RP: Ain't that too much? |
16:43.58 | Laibsch | It can be uninstalled, but it would be installed by default |
16:44.06 | Laibsch | Not sure that is what we want |
16:44.15 | RP | Laibsch: What do you want then? |
16:44.24 | Laibsch | *I* don't want anything |
16:44.28 | Laibsch | I am fine |
16:44.55 | Laibsch | But I wonder how the libertas people can have the best experience with OE and derived distros |
16:44.57 | RP | ynezz: I'll try and have a look at that later |
16:45.11 | Laibsch | while not burdening non-libertas people |
16:45.30 | RP | Laibsch: If it works better with the hack pulled in then it should be added as a RRECOMMENDS for the kernel module |
16:45.33 | ynezz | RP: np |
16:46.08 | RP | Laibsch: RRECOMMENDS_kernel-module-libertas += "hack-package" in kernel.bbclass? |
16:46.28 | RP | Laibsch: Obviously there are a few things that might need tweaking there... |
16:48.51 | aadamson | ok, all, so what changed, I can't build the slugos stuff anymore, get some errors around sanity.conf, did something change? |
16:49.31 | RP | aadamson: Perhaps those errors tell you what changed? |
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16:51.22 | aadamson | RP: no they don't. they simply state that the sanity checker detected an error. I made no changes on my side, and I suspect this goes back to recent changes to the sanity.class stuff that was changed recently? |
16:51.42 | aadamson | actually, just saw it. |
16:51.53 | ynezz | it's probably that 'ABI changed' error? |
16:51.56 | aadamson | it has to do with the bloody ABI thing again. |
16:52.13 | aadamson | yes, and I just went thru this, so now what changed or what do I need to change? |
16:52.28 | ynezz | I did rm -fr tmp :p |
16:52.34 | RP | aadamson: This time its for real, we changed the ABI and it needs a rebuild |
16:52.58 | aadamson | ok, so being a noob and all, care to offer the command or process? |
16:53.11 | aadamson | I'm really just an appliance operator when it comes to this... :) |
16:53.43 | RP | aadamson: it needs a rebuild from scratch - wipe tmp (or move elsewhere) and rebuild |
16:54.03 | aadamson | tmp as in the slugos dir? |
16:54.48 | RP | aadamson: No, there should be a tmp directory somewhere. I don't realy know the sluos layout though |
16:55.13 | RP | mwester: help? :) |
16:55.29 | aadamson | is it where the abi_version file is? If so on slugos it's in the slugos dir that is adjecent to openembedded |
16:55.31 | aadamson | I believe |
16:55.47 | RP | yes, its the same directory as that file |
16:56.29 | aadamson | ok, so I "mv"'d it to a holding name... then what, make update and then make slugosbe-image again? |
16:56.41 | RP | aadamson: yes |
16:57.24 | aadamson | RP: Thanks, looks like it's back and functional. is this kind of stuff documented somewhere so next time I can just go to xxx and find the new info? |
16:57.52 | RP | aadamson: The ABI change was mentioned on the oe-devel mailing list |
16:58.48 | RP | aadamson: I'd assumed most people using OE knew how to "wipe tmp" though :/ |
16:58.52 | aadamson | oh, ok, I'll check that from now on, it probably was missed by me tho as I assumed it was related to the last (what we now know as a temp fix) :) |
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17:01.08 | aadamson | RP: most do, including me, but "wipe tmp" can mean a million things when said that way... if yo'd have said, wipe the OE tmp dir, I'd have probably known better what you ment... prolly just me needing more info, no your presentation :)... anyway, much obliged |
17:02.26 | aadamson | RP: no = not |
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17:07.29 | florian | RP: I just tried the Universal kernel from the Poky release. It doesn't seem to work here - anything special I have to take care about? |
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17:07.29 | CIA-38 | chinook-compat: Updated preferred revisions. |
17:07.29 | CIA-38 | * prefer classpath 0.97 |
17:07.29 | CIA-38 | * prefer libgpg-error 1.4 - earlier build cause libgcrypt build to fail |
17:07.29 | CIA-38 | * disabled kaffe preferences |
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17:08.01 | RP | florian: Not specifically. Which haret did you use? |
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17:08.32 | RP | florian: I've noticed some files were missing from the release and I'll add a known good haret binary |
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17:10.22 | florian | RP: not sure, but the same I used all the time. Definitely working but far from beeing up to date. |
17:10.39 | RP | florian: How far did it boot? |
17:10.54 | RP | florian: You followed the instructions in the README? |
17:11.49 | florian | RP: Some colourful ines and then the screen turned off. |
17:12.37 | florian | RP: hmm no, is there one? :-} booted like i was used to do it |
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17:13.11 | RP | florian: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/poky/trunk/README.hardware |
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17:13.40 | florian | RP: ok, that one should go to the release download as well :) |
17:13.54 | RP | florian: Just thinking that... |
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17:15.08 | florian | RP: latest gsmd should work with the cm-x270... iirc they use one of the telit modems |
17:15.54 | RP | florian: you mean the em-x270? |
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17:18.02 | florian | RP: ah yes |
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18:19.04 | rschuster | RP: ping |
18:21.03 | rschuster | there is probably some problem with packaged staging: |
18:21.03 | rschuster | ERROR: log data follows (/home/rob/oe/chinook/tmp/work/javasqlite-20080130-r0/temp/log.staging_packager.12598) |
18:21.03 | rschuster | | *** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Architecture |
18:21.26 | rschuster | MULTIMACH_ARCH is empty for me: |
18:21.26 | rschuster | echo "Architecture: ${MULTIMACH_ARCH}" >> /home/rob/oe/chinook/tmp/work/javasqlite-20080130-r0/staging-pkg/CONTROL/control |
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18:37.13 | XorA|gone | hmm, how do I get AC_CHECK_LIB to use g++ as a linker? |
18:38.11 | Tartarus | Hmm |
18:38.18 | Tartarus | is base_contains a full or partial match? |
18:38.28 | Jin^eLD | XorA|gone: select AC_LANG_CPLUSPLUS before the check |
18:38.54 | XorA|gone | Jin^eLD: cool cheers |
18:38.57 | Jin^eLD | np |
18:40.05 | Jin^eLD | btw you can also use AC_LANG_SAVE and AC_LANG_RESTORE to switch back/forth |
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19:02.20 | XorA|gone | Jin^eLD: even cooler |
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19:04.01 | Jin^eLD | autotools can be painful, but for some reason I still keep hating scons ;> |
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19:05.36 | XorA|gone | Jin^eLD: I find autotools the easiest to fix, I just wasnt sure on the how to switch language stuff |
19:06.38 | Jin^eLD | well, I had my "fun" moments with autotools, I think it took me about 2-3 months in total to work out the configure script for my project, endless story |
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19:07.15 | Jin^eLD | but in the end it was worth it |
19:07.17 | Jin^eLD | :> |
19:09.22 | mohamed | hi all, I was building openembedded for sparc but the following error occurred http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58516/ any one can help ? |
19:10.23 | Jin^eLD | mohamed: looks like the configure script that you are compiling has no default setting for crosscompiling |
19:10.26 | Jin^eLD | so the runtest can not be done |
19:11.20 | Jin^eLD | did you create the .bb recipe or was it already in OE? |
19:12.11 | mohamed | Jin^eLD: I didn't create any, I configured the local.conf file and typed bitbake bootstrap-image |
19:12.23 | Jin^eLD | I see |
19:12.45 | mohamed | Jin^eLD: can I reconfigure any file or do any modification that might help? |
19:13.28 | Jin^eLD | well, I wonder why noone noticed it, i.e. - if it is broken for other systems too, at least the configure log indicates that it would not crosscompile on any system.. |
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19:13.48 | Jin^eLD | you could probably fix the configure.ac of this package |
19:14.32 | rschuster | btw for all your auto* related questions. over in #classpath there is tromey aka mr. automake ... |
19:14.52 | mohamed | Jin^eLD: could you guide me through this or just give me hints to do so ? |
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19:15.30 | Jin^eLD | mohamed: first check the bugtracker if there is any PR about this, maybe someone posted a patch |
19:16.32 | Jin^eLD | if not I'd unpack the source of the package and have a look at configure.ac |
19:16.47 | Jin^eLD | it will have an AC_RUN_IFELSE for this check |
19:17.25 | Jin^eLD | and depending on what variables it is setting etc. you'd have to add an option for the case of crosscompiling and decide if you have this feature, i.e. if you enable or disable it |
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19:18.31 | Jin^eLD | here is the hint http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_mono/autoconf.html#SEC78 |
19:18.45 | Jin^eLD | then make a patch, add it to the .bb recipe and rebuild.. |
19:18.55 | Jin^eLD | or test manually from the work directory first |
19:21.52 | Jin^eLD | nite everyone |
19:22.12 | mohamed | Jin^eLD: thank you for your time :) |
19:22.44 | XorA|gone | mohamed: checks site/ for definitions of getpwnam_r and enter the correct one for sparc in the right place |
19:23.23 | XorA|gone | mohamed: I notice sparc is only platform without that value defined in site/ |
19:23.48 | mohamed | XorA: I'm sorry I can't get you ? |
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19:25.23 | XorA|gone | mohamed: in your OE tree, there is a directory called site, inside site you find files such as arm-linux, sparc-linux, examine them and enter an appropriate value for sparc in right file for getpwnam_r |
19:25.49 | XorA|gone | mohamed: you will probably hit this a number of times on sparc as the site/* stuff for sparc hasnt been updated for ages |
19:28.28 | mohamed | XorA: getpwnam_r is not found in sparc-linux file ? |
19:35.22 | XorA|gone | mohamed: do you know anything about autotools at all? |
19:35.41 | mohamed | XorA: no :( |
19:35.58 | XorA|gone | mohamed: I think you need to start reading then :-) |
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19:36.26 | mohamed | XorA: could you give me some resources to start with ? |
19:36.43 | XorA|gone | <PROTECTED> |
19:37.08 | XorA|gone | mohamed: Ive never found a simple guide, I learned by pain |
19:37.52 | flo_lap | re |
19:38.09 | mohamed | XorA: I'll follow your foot steps then ;) . thank you for your time |
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19:38.24 | CIA-38 | gumstix-verdex,connex : Copy machine and kernel updates direct from gumstix.com |
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19:49.01 | tsavola | is bitbake trunk intended to require python 2.5? |
19:49.11 | RP | tsavola: yes |
19:49.16 | tsavola | ok, thanks :) |
19:50.29 | RP | tsavola: The 1.8 series won't but for trunk we've decided that by the time it becomes the stable series, 2.5 wouldn't be too much to expect |
19:51.19 | tsavola | it seems to require that "python" is version 2.5 |
19:52.11 | tsavola | oh, the main script uses python2.5, but lib/bb/cooker.py has #!/usr/bin/env python |
19:54.16 | tsavola | does setup-tools do some magic? the installed bitbake uses python2.5 but in source tree it uses /usr/bin/env python; that cooker.py doesn't get rewritten, but i assume it's not necessary in the installation? |
19:54.44 | tsavola | i just came across a parse error when running the install with python 2.4 |
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20:02.14 | XorA | ~praise RP for fixing problems before I even find them |
20:02.15 | ibot | All hail RP for fixing problems before I even find them! |
20:02.47 | gremlin[it] | generic question: how can i change the beehaviour of shm_open only configuring glibc (starting from the same sources) ? ... seem OW build glibc in a different way respect of what another stupid-ugly script do ... :s ... |
20:02.47 | RP | XorA: :) Which one was that? |
20:03.13 | emdete | which var do i have to set in local.conf to build the HEAD version of a package ...something with ${AUTOREV} ? |
20:03.37 | XorA | RP: matchbox-stroke expat problem |
20:03.46 | RP | XorA: ah, yes :) |
20:03.58 | RP | XorA: I went over all of mb svn ;-) |
20:03.59 | XorA | RP: I guess that was a global fix for matchbox* |
20:04.31 | RP | XorA: Their autofoo looked like it was copy and pasted at one time |
20:04.56 | XorA | RP: getting nearer completing an openmoko-devel-image post sysroot |
20:04.57 | RP | emdete: SRCREV_pn-PACKAGENAME = "${AUTOREV}" |
20:05.05 | emdete | RP THANKS! :D |
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20:05.22 | RP | XorA: Is much else broken? |
20:05.37 | RP | XorA: this gcc-cross-sdk thing is eating my runtime :( |
20:05.45 | emdete | RP: pn in lower case? |
20:06.10 | RP | emdete: yes, the caps were just to make it clear where the package name goes ;-) |
20:06.13 | XorA | so far, xoo, matchbox-stroke, vte, openmoko-mediaplayer2 but thanks to you all easilly fixed |
20:06.17 | RP | emdete: you need the "pn-" but, its important |
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20:07.41 | RP | s/but/bit/ |
20:08.13 | emdete | RP: fine. thanks. after changing the local.conf it takes quit a time for testing on my old machine... |
20:10.24 | XorA | RP: altogether not as much breakage as I had feared |
20:10.41 | RP | XorA: That is good to hear :) |
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20:14.51 | RP | XorA: Some of my best code was written after a few beers ;-) |
20:16.52 | gremlin[it] | beer is like oil for neurons ... make them work faster :D |
20:17.11 | XorA | except when it is called Delirium |
20:17.38 | gremlin[it] | hahaha ... my gosh ... Delirium Tremens !!! |
20:18.24 | gremlin[it] | me too ... but i miss it ! |
20:18.31 | CIA-38 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rdfa5b579... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): matchbox-stroke_svn.bb : switch to SRCREV and pick a REV that actually builds. |
20:18.36 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r3697358d... 10/ (47 files in 11 dirs): simpad: add linux 2.6.24 support |
20:18.40 | XorA | gremlin[it]: you only miss the merkin chick you chatted up :-) |
20:18.41 | CIA-38 | 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r7b453ceb... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: bump to r8 |
20:19.52 | gremlin[it] | hahahah :) ... no no ... too young, too yankee :) |
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20:23.24 | thesing | morning all |
20:25.23 | mrdata_ | thesing: morning ;-) |
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20:37.20 | ynezz | hildon-app-manager needs feeds with Packages.gz, but OE's rootfs_deb.class generates only Packages.bz2 so it's this correct fix or there's some variable which forces generating of Packages.gz list? http://pastebin.com/m527af4e2 |
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21:06.53 | CIA-38 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r3db77f53... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs.inc : increment openmoko-mediaplayer2 to buildable version |
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21:31.41 | XorA|gone | RP: NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed |
21:31.46 | XorA|gone | RP: only webkit now fails |
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21:35.04 | B_Lizzard | Hello |
21:35.16 | B_Lizzard | After the latest update, I'm getting: |
21:35.18 | B_Lizzard | Error, TMPDIR has changed ABI (0 to 1) and you need to either rebuild, revert or adjust it at your own risk. |
21:35.35 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: rm -rf tmp/ |
21:35.42 | B_Lizzard | ahahahahaha |
21:35.43 | B_Lizzard | ahahahahahah |
21:35.48 | B_Lizzard | That's *funny* |
21:35.48 | hvontres|work | B_Lizzard: and wait ..... |
21:36.00 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: thats what that message actually says |
21:36.13 | XorA|gone | "you need to either rebuild" |
21:36.33 | B_Lizzard | I am not about to rebuild 16000 packages. |
21:36.46 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: then revert |
21:36.56 | B_Lizzard | That's better. :D |
21:37.27 | hvontres|work | B_Lizzard: think of as "spring cleaning" for your build tree :) |
21:37.29 | B_Lizzard | I actually just wanted to ask what the changes were that breed this error. |
21:37.34 | B_Lizzard | heheheheheh |
21:38.34 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: sysroot support went into OE as we planned at OEDEM |
21:38.40 | hvontres|work | B_Lizzard: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2008-February/004514.html |
21:39.23 | B_Lizzard | Oh |
21:39.36 | B_Lizzard | Does the actual directory tree change, though. |
21:40.01 | B_Lizzard | Um, that was a question. :) |
21:40.31 | B_Lizzard | (sorry if I sound sarcastic or whatever, I do not mean to sound like that) |
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21:41.27 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: yes, tmp/staging/*/ now looks like a rootfs from a device |
21:41.39 | B_Lizzard | Hmmm |
21:42.54 | B_Lizzard | Although I do not like the idea of my workspace going all haywire, I am rather ambivalent towards deleting or moving my existing tmp folder. |
21:43.15 | ynezz | hm linux_2.6.24 broken |
21:43.24 | B_Lizzard | It took me a long time to amass 16000 packages. |
21:43.36 | B_Lizzard | A lot of fixing broken bb files. |
21:43.46 | B_Lizzard | Or general compilation problems. |
21:44.22 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: well keep your packages then |
21:44.33 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: no reason you cant |
21:45.08 | B_Lizzard | Hmmm |
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21:47.32 | chouimat|work | is the at32stk1000 worth the price? |
21:47.59 | B_Lizzard | I'll just think this over. |
21:50.14 | B_Lizzard | And damn, my staging folder has a lot of manual changes too... |
21:50.37 | RP | XorA|gone: yay :) |
21:50.42 | B_Lizzard | Um, is there no way I can migrate without rebuilding? |
21:50.57 | B_Lizzard | Even manually |
21:51.06 | B_Lizzard | By copying folders and stamps |
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21:52.28 | RP | B_Lizzard: not in any safe way |
21:53.07 | B_Lizzard | Ok, I'll just let the wave of changes wash me away once more and rebuild the whole lot. |
21:53.22 | B_Lizzard | Or whatever I can and keep the old ones. |
21:53.28 | RP | B_Lizzard: I'd save a backup ;-) |
21:53.34 | B_Lizzard | Yeah :) |
21:53.46 | RP | B_Lizzard: but if you need to make manual hacks if would be nice to fix OE properly |
21:54.01 | B_Lizzard | Heh, the tmp folder is about 40 GB |
21:54.39 | ynezz | you're building world? |
21:54.48 | B_Lizzard | Yeap |
21:55.01 | B_Lizzard | Um, and also fixing packages that don't work. |
21:55.56 | B_Lizzard | I'm anal-retentive |
21:56.36 | B_Lizzard | I'm sure that over half the packages I make won't even run on the platform I'm building them for. |
21:56.49 | B_Lizzard | The number 16000 sure sounds impressive though. |
21:57.08 | B_Lizzard | Um, can't get technical support for that here, eh? :D |
22:00.06 | ScaredyCat | B_Lizzard: you have your work cut out for you.... |
22:00.16 | CIA-38 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r6c79a14c... 10/ (1 packages/libsexy/files/libsexy-pkgconfig-fixes.patch): |
22:00.16 | CIA-38 | libsexy/files/libsexy-pkgconfig-fixes.patch : small correction to patch |
22:00.16 | CIA-38 | to correctly Require libxml |
22:00.16 | ScaredyCat | there's bucket oads that are broken now. |
22:00.37 | B_Lizzard | I'm sure there are. :D |
22:00.45 | B_Lizzard | I'll keep the patches coming in. |
22:00.53 | ScaredyCat | good stuff :) |
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22:03.35 | B_Lizzard | Oh I can't bloody do this. |
22:06.30 | B_Lizzard | I'm sure I can revert the changes made. |
22:06.57 | B_Lizzard | Bleh, that would probably make my patches invalid or whatever. |
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22:17.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 670 has been REOPENED by rodrigo.vivi(AT)gmail.com |
22:17.06 | cdbot2 | * * cpp should RDEPEND on gcc |
22:17.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670 |
22:17.51 | CIA-38 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdea50bd1... 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): uclibc: Merge various changes made in Poky to fix various paths |
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22:22.24 | CIA-38 | 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0a57519f... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libx11: Fix location of keysymdef.h |
22:26.50 | aadamson | anyone wager a guess as to why glib2.0xx won't build under slugos? I get all kinds of errors and then all the packages after it in build packages won't work as they are dependant |
22:32.34 | ynezz | I would like to use distro specific patch and SRC_URI_append_chinook-compat don't work, does it mean, that I've to play with OVERRIDES ? |
22:33.44 | B_Lizzard | Um, for a 2.6.24 kernel do I use the .23 linux-libc-headers? |
22:34.05 | RP | B_Lizzard: It will usually work |
22:34.32 | B_Lizzard | Strange that there's no .24 bb file |
22:34.50 | RP | B_Lizzard: Nobody's needed to add one? There is one in poky fwiw |
22:36.00 | B_Lizzard | Doesn't seem to be one in packages/linux-libc-headers |
22:36.13 | chouimat|work | who I can ask some question about AVR32? |
22:36.33 | RP | B_Lizzard: Have you any idea what poky is? |
22:36.39 | B_Lizzard | Yes |
22:37.07 | B_Lizzard | Some kind of a building system that makes my life harder by making me learn things I don't need to. |
22:37.27 | B_Lizzard | Or testing platform. |
22:37.31 | B_Lizzard | I cannot remember. |
22:37.47 | RP | B_Lizzard: pokylinux.org |
22:38.11 | B_Lizzard | Probably wouldn't work |
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22:38.22 | B_Lizzard | As I develop for a SH3-based device. |
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22:42.41 | ant_ | RP: ...almost there with c7x0 bootimage: FATAL: This kernel (size=1388188 > 1294336) is too big for your device |
22:43.33 | ant_ | RP: if only that busybox was not so huge... |
22:44.51 | RP | ant_: You can strip busybox down... |
22:45.12 | ant_ | RP: it's Koen + PaulS work...I hesitate |
22:49.34 | hvontres|work | ant_: are they using the standard OE busybox or a custom version?\ |
22:50.04 | B_Lizzard | Just one kind suggestion. |
22:50.14 | ant_ | RP: probably the bootimage for linux-hh is meant to be boot+emergency all in one (2mb space) |
22:50.16 | B_Lizzard | I know this doesn't amount to much. |
22:50.19 | B_Lizzard | Whatever. |
22:50.26 | ant_ | hvontres|work: busybox-static |
22:50.41 | B_Lizzard | Just, *pleeease* stop changing stuff around so that there's no escape route for people. |
22:50.44 | B_Lizzard | Or some way to revert. |
22:50.52 | B_Lizzard | I've seen this happen too many times. |
22:50.55 | RP | B_Lizzard: There is a way to revert |
22:51.00 | ant_ | I'm looking in the defconfig, but I see binaries we don't need for Z |
22:51.05 | B_Lizzard | Not an easy way |
22:51.06 | RP | B_Lizzard: go back to a revision before the ABI change |
22:51.24 | B_Lizzard | And stay there? |
22:51.34 | B_Lizzard | What about updates to non-related bb files? |
22:51.39 | RP | B_Lizzard: This change has been talked about for the best part of six months... |
22:51.48 | B_Lizzard | You've done this before |
22:52.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3940 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
22:52.06 | cdbot2 | * * linux-hackndev-2.6-2.6.21-hnd3-r14-do_configure |
22:52.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3940 |
22:52.19 | B_Lizzard | When you removed a whole load of X-related packages and libraries |
22:52.20 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: thats why Angstrom has a stable branch |
22:52.29 | B_Lizzard | I don't use Angstrom |
22:52.38 | RP | B_Lizzard: The ones in obsolete? |
22:52.44 | B_Lizzard | Nope |
22:52.52 | B_Lizzard | The ones, well, who knows where. |
22:52.59 | B_Lizzard | They were completely removed |
22:53.06 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: nothing stopping you forking a branch and just pulling what you need without core changes |
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22:53.22 | B_Lizzard | That wouldn't be nice of me. |
22:53.38 | B_Lizzard | I try to keep as close to mainline as possible |
22:53.48 | RP | B_Lizzard: Pre xorg modularisation was removed after discussion |
22:53.50 | B_Lizzard | Both for me and for you (posting patches) |
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22:54.20 | B_Lizzard | Yeah, but removing them completely is still quite irresponisble |
22:54.42 | B_Lizzard | As real issues come up after the changes have been made. |
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22:54.51 | RP | B_Lizzard: So where was your objection on the mailing list when this was discussed? |
22:55.46 | B_Lizzard | There was no objection, because there was no problem before the changes were made |
22:55.46 | B_Lizzard | Only after the changes it was that I discovered problems |
22:55.46 | RP | B_Lizzard: You can't have it both ways - development and perfect stability |
22:56.03 | tsavola | yes you can, but then you need twice the manpower :) |
22:56.20 | B_Lizzard | But you can have a plan b for people that doesn't entail having to delve from mainline or start from the beginning, |
22:56.26 | XorA|gone | it only took me a few hours to repair the damage to openmoko, so changes werent that bad |
22:56.46 | B_Lizzard | It will take me a month to rebuild all the packages I have built. |
22:56.55 | XorA|gone | and my estimate to rebuild 16,000 packages is only about 8 hours |
22:57.00 | B_Lizzard | Ha |
22:57.07 | B_Lizzard | That is, if they all build. |
22:57.18 | B_Lizzard | Without problems |
22:57.28 | XorA|gone | dont rebuild the packages, your .ipk files didnt magically become obsolete |
22:57.38 | B_Lizzard | I know, I know. |
22:57.46 | B_Lizzard | My staging folder has stuff, too. |
22:57.52 | B_Lizzard | Libraries, stuff I need. |
22:58.09 | ant_ | hvontres|work: I found nfs.ko (297484 b) in the cpio image :-(( |
22:58.46 | ant_ | hvontres|work: that's what inflated it ! |
22:59.00 | B_Lizzard | I know you're not responsible for every one developer's problems, and I can solve mine just fine. |
22:59.14 | B_Lizzard | Making such changes towards the better is commendable. |
22:59.28 | B_Lizzard | But *please* allow people an escape route |
22:59.39 | B_Lizzard | Instead of making stuff obsolete |
23:00.14 | B_Lizzard | Um, even deleting them outright when no suitable replacements exist. |
23:00.18 | Tartarus | ... is that about packaged staging stuff making dev unstable? |
23:01.35 | B_Lizzard | I can't bloody rebuild my tmp folder whenever major changes happen. |
23:01.42 | B_Lizzard | Or chase new bugs around. |
23:02.03 | Tartarus | Well, big changes are messy sometimes |
23:02.06 | B_Lizzard | I've already had a userland release borked by unseen changes. |
23:02.11 | Tartarus | But whats the big deal about rebuilding your build output dir? |
23:02.23 | B_Lizzard | I have stuff. |
23:02.26 | Tartarus | I nuke mine frequently to make sure stuff actually builds right |
23:02.38 | B_Lizzard | :) |
23:02.41 | Tartarus | I have tons of stuff |
23:02.51 | Tartarus | and if I can't rebuild it, I'm in trouble :) |
23:03.17 | B_Lizzard | I have build almost every bb file in the OE repo |
23:03.23 | XorA|gone | anyway I am powering my build machine down after a successful day of sysroot conversion |
23:03.29 | B_Lizzard | Half of them don't even build without some kind of hacking. |
23:03.52 | B_Lizzard | That doesn't take 5 or 6 hours |
23:04.11 | B_Lizzard | I can make my userlands in 5 or 6 hours with a new tmpdir |
23:04.13 | XorA|gone | B_Lizzard: well keep them hacked :-) |
23:04.19 | B_Lizzard | heh |
23:04.31 | B_Lizzard | I need to keep up to date if I am to post patches |
23:04.44 | B_Lizzard | Else koen will tell me to fuck off or whatever. |
23:05.03 | B_Lizzard | Building feeds takes much longer |
23:06.03 | B_Lizzard | Sorry for breaking your balls. |
23:06.22 | B_Lizzard | I'll find a way out of this without forking or delving too far. |
23:06.25 | NAbyss | Breaking balls, breaking builds.. fair exchange? :) |
23:06.37 | B_Lizzard | Quite :) |
23:07.18 | B_Lizzard | Maybe someday OE will become stable software |
23:08.04 | B_Lizzard | In a sense, it is, but... |
23:08.14 | B_Lizzard | Things break....a lot. |
23:08.28 | RP | B_Lizzard: The problem is the way you're using OE. You shouldn't need to hack things, if you do its broken. You should be able to build from scratch without issue |
23:08.38 | RP | OE is a build system |
23:08.41 | B_Lizzard | I can. |
23:08.54 | B_Lizzard | I can build my userlands from scratch |
23:09.02 | B_Lizzard | Without issue |
23:09.33 | B_Lizzard | I'm being a bitch because I need to render my tmp folder obsolete every other day. |
23:10.00 | B_Lizzard | And I need to use the same tmp folder because I actually need the stuff that's in there. |
23:10.17 | B_Lizzard | Not for testing, not because it took me 5 or 6 or 20 hours. |
23:10.41 | B_Lizzard | But because I need the stuff in there for the distribution. |
23:10.50 | Tartarus | But why are you building top of tree daily? |
23:10.52 | B_Lizzard | The feed etc. |
23:11.01 | B_Lizzard | Eh? |
23:11.05 | B_Lizzard | You mean updating? |
23:11.09 | Tartarus | Yes. |
23:11.33 | B_Lizzard | Because I need updated versions of some packages. |
23:11.33 | Tartarus | If you do top of tree daily, you can't expect everything to be stable |
23:11.40 | B_Lizzard | Quite. |
23:11.48 | Tartarus | Then you should pick a starter rev and backport |
23:11.53 | B_Lizzard | But I should expect to be able to use the same tmp folder. |
23:12.04 | Tartarus | No you shouldnt :) |
23:12.07 | B_Lizzard | I should expect to be able to keep my already existing work. |
23:12.17 | Tartarus | Things like big useful changes can cause problems like you're seeing |
23:12.24 | NAbyss | B_Lizzard: So cherry-pick the newer packages you want |
23:12.25 | Tartarus | Outputs, yes |
23:12.33 | Tartarus | middle squishy bits no |
23:12.39 | Tartarus | your ipks are fine |
23:12.46 | Tartarus | but your build system is inconsisent |
23:13.03 | B_Lizzard | I know. |
23:13.21 | Tartarus | Then change your behavior so you don't have this problem :) |
23:13.27 | Tartarus | I backport packages all the time |
23:13.31 | B_Lizzard | How can I expect to trust my build system if I can't trust that it will always work? |
23:13.35 | Tartarus | and once the new packaged staging stuff is done, I'm gonna move up |
23:13.43 | Tartarus | You can |
23:13.49 | Tartarus | You just can't expect to reuse bits that aren't reusable |
23:14.13 | Tartarus | tmp is just that, it's all generated stuff |
23:14.38 | RP | B_Lizzard: There is no guarantee that OE.dev "will always work". It is a development branch, not a stable one |
23:14.44 | Tartarus | change some core part of the world, need to start from scratch there |
23:15.17 | B_Lizzard | I see that. |
23:15.21 | B_Lizzard | And I know that. |
23:15.35 | Tartarus | Then why are you doing what you're doing and being upset with the result? |
23:15.51 | B_Lizzard | Because this has happened once too many |
23:15.57 | Tartarus | If it hurts when you hit your hand with a hammer, stop hitting your hand with a hammer :) |
23:16.05 | RP | B_Lizzard: When was the last staging ABI change? |
23:16.13 | B_Lizzard | I have no idea. |
23:16.15 | B_Lizzard | I |
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23:16.19 | B_Lizzard | 'll look into it. |
23:16.22 | RP | B_Lizzard: Not some packages being removed but an actual ABI change |
23:16.31 | B_Lizzard | Never, I guess. |
23:16.54 | B_Lizzard | One more reason to keep some kind of escape route for people. |
23:17.05 | B_Lizzard | That simply want updated packages. |
23:17.21 | B_Lizzard | Ah |
23:17.28 | B_Lizzard | Maybe I'm being stupid. |
23:17.50 | B_Lizzard | It's late, and I'm quite confused. |
23:19.12 | B_Lizzard | It just seems... illogical. |
23:20.03 | B_Lizzard | That people need to start over every once for a while if they want to be up to date. |
23:20.24 | B_Lizzard | Not being up to date means, more or less forking, as patches won't be accepted. |
23:20.55 | B_Lizzard | For good reason, I guess. |
23:21.26 | Tartarus | mdp, where is the QSG in svn again? |
23:21.27 | Tartarus | ga |
23:22.01 | B_Lizzard | I'll just go to sleep and STFU |
23:22.27 | B_Lizzard | But this thing is getting on my nerves. |
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