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00:05.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3934 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com
00:05.06cdbot2* * X loses keyboard and focus after some unspecified time
00:05.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3934
00:13.04TartarusOK, patch up on 3897 to close it again
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02:14.45zeckeRP: hey, eloberate on your feeling once you are awake
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02:43.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 3935 has been created by dannytaylor(AT)visi.com
02:43.07cdbot2* * Aircrack-NG fix
02:43.09cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3935
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03:19.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3936 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com
03:19.06cdbot2* * Key widget is broken
03:19.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3936
03:21.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3937 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com
03:21.06cdbot2* * Card widget is broken
03:21.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3937
03:30.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3938 has been created by yan(AT)seiner.com
03:30.06cdbot2* * Marvel 8385 libertas driver will not wake from suspend 2.6. 24
03:30.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3938
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04:08.50TartarusAnyone with commit privs around?
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07:45.24Esbe1Am I right in that do_stage has been phased out, and all previous usage of do_stage should be moved to do_populate_staging?
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07:56.19XorAxjqian: are you sure 3741 blocks 2674 they look to be totally different issues apart from the word tslib being used in both bugs
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08:36.56hrwmorning
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08:53.09Genesisbonjour
09:00.07RPEsbe1: No, use do_stage. do_populate_staging runs do_stage
09:00.32RPmorning all
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09:05.27ant|workgm
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09:10.05ant|workRP: how would you call the mini-kernel for initramfs? linux-rp-initial-2.6.xx ? Including linux-rp-initial-2.6.inc?
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09:10.53ant|workRP: you see: we don't need special hacks for the command line or sharp headers once we are booting a kexec'ed kernel...
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09:12.21RPant|work: linux-rp-mini since intial sounds like something that always has to build before linux-rp (like glibc-initial)
09:12.46RPant|work: and what commandline hacks do we have?
09:13.05ant|workRP: e.g. noinitrd
09:13.41ant|workRP: (and mtdblock2 instead mtd2)
09:13.53RPant|work: So just change the commandline through atags
09:14.56ant|workRP: yes, but the first mini-kernel get lauched by angelboot = no atags...
09:15.36RPah, so you want to hack that one ;-)
09:15.43ant|workRP: last but not least, to avoid the mix "uclibc" / "glibc" I'm building that kernel in uclibc "mode". Right?
09:16.30RPMy point was that it doesn't matter what the commandline is for the second if you're kexecing it
09:16.52ant|workRP: crytal clear
09:16.57ant|work*crystal
09:18.04ant|workRP: atm the size is way too big...hrw gave me some interesting defconfigs but having a bootmenu.cpio.gz >780 kb scares me...
09:18.39ant|workRP: while the kexec-stuff.cpio.gz is only 100 kb
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09:26.11ynezzRP: another bitbake exception http://pastebin.com/m11907ba0
09:26.23Jin^eLDmorning
09:26.57RPynezz: What did you run to make it do that?
09:27.00RPhi Jin^eLD
09:27.17ynezzbitbake --continue maemo-image-ynezz
09:27.27Jin^eLDhey RP, let's see how far I get today :)
09:27.35ant|workJin^eLD: hey
09:27.40Jin^eLDhi
09:28.18RPynezz: I have no idea how that "59" gets in there and I can't reproduce here :/
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09:30.07ynezzah ok
09:30.35ynezzI was able to build it until yesterday update of bitbake
09:32.39RPynezz: I don't doubt its a bug, I just don't know how to reproduce it
09:32.51ynezzI can give you my image/task bb so you might be able to reproduce it
09:32.58ynezzor I can try to find out how that 59 got there
09:33.36RPynezz: It looks like a number instead of a string which is intersting and makes me suspect some of the recent code changes
09:34.43ynezzok, I'll try to revert back to some older revision of BB when I get back home
09:34.57ynezzand might give you exact revision which cause the problem
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09:35.10ynezzif it helps you
09:36.01RPynezz: It could do, yes. If you also share the .bb file i'll see if I can reproduce
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09:43.51XorAhrmm, why doesnt opkg pick up libcurl.pc
09:44.46zeckeRP: hey, you said you had an idea? should gcc-cross be in the depends of gcc-cross-sdk?
09:45.57ynezzRP: ok, I have it at home so I can send it later today
09:59.25ant|workFYI roundcube v0.1 http://roundcube.net/
10:02.32ant|workCoreDump: hi
10:02.34RPzecke: I think there are multiple issues
10:02.55RPzecke: The good news is I know how to hack it to make it work. The bad news is I don't like the hacks :/
10:03.20RPzecke: I'll send you a mail about it since its going to be easier to explain that way
10:03.35zeckeRP: i think it is a feature to not use the staging gcc, this avoids version mismatches
10:04.03zeckeRP: the bad thing is, we need a c library there, and the gcc recipes are ugly and the CC_TARGET_FLAGS... for sdk are...
10:04.36RPzecke: Agreed. The question is how to convince the -sdk build it should use xgcc
10:05.12RPzecke: and there is some madness in the gcc configure which puts junk into the flags regardless of which approach we use :/
10:06.05zeckeRP: the madness is not the issue, the i686/include is, coming directly from our recipe hell
10:06.22RPzecke: yes, but if we remove that it doesn't fix anything
10:06.36RPzecke: well, it does fix something but not the original problem
10:06.37zeckeRP: if that is arm-linux/include it is working :)
10:07.01RPzecke: it doesn't work with arm-linux/include
10:07.24zeckewhen invoking xgcc manually with the right staging dir, it compiled
10:07.32methrilmorning
10:07.34zecke(tested only one file though)
10:07.36RPzecke: It would later fail unable to find libs
10:07.37Jin^eLDhi methril
10:07.55RPzecke: so then we add the libs directories and it breaks in other ways
10:08.21methrilhi <Jin^eLD> how is your ucLinux receipe?? :)
10:08.23RPzecke: The underlying problem is it adds "build_tooldir" into the target flags in a variety of forms
10:08.35Jin^eLDmethril: if it was just one recipe it would be done by now ;) hehe
10:08.38RPit should really add --sysroot=
10:08.50Jin^eLDmethril: still struggling with various weird issues
10:09.22methrilat least working :)
10:09.29Jin^eLDfar from that
10:09.42Jin^eLDone of my problems that is that I seem to need a specific toolchain
10:09.48Jin^eLDs/that//
10:10.08Jin^eLDand it turned out more difficult to get that to compile than I originally thought
10:10.59methrilthen i've to put hands on too
10:11.15methrilbecause the mips compiler is another toolchain too
10:11.17zeckedoing monkey tasks now :)
10:11.34Jin^eLDapaulsen was also interested in this, so we are 3 now
10:11.37methrilwhat task is that??
10:11.50methrilzecke?
10:13.03Jin^eLDmethril: I am not sure if you need a special compiler, you could probably work with what is arleady in OE; I need something for uclinux eabi (arm) and from what I can see that is only available in code sourcery
10:13.15Jin^eLDbut I may be wrong of course, maybe compiling for arm eabi and then postprocessing with elf2flt is also enough
10:14.12Jin^eLDI think you can work with the existing toolchain, so for you the imporant steps would be to make sure that TARGET_OS is processed by OE in a special way so it knows we are building uclinux stuff, adjust uclibc configuration, and postprocess with elf2flt
10:14.32Jin^eLDI did some work on the TARGET_OS thing so I could list you the caveat places
10:14.50methrilaja
10:15.04methrillater i'll take a look on this
10:15.15methrilnow, i've to work with ARM
10:15.43Jin^eLDalso uclinux?
10:16.44methrilno, with arm no
10:16.52zecke|monkeytaskmethril: writing .desktop files
10:17.39RPzecke|monkeytask: I've sent you an email...
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10:20.26zecke|monkeytaskRP: thanks
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10:33.40Jin^eLDthat's when building uclibc-initial: install: cannot change permissions of `/include': No such file or directory
10:33.55Jin^eLDanyone had this? I did not touch the uclibc .bb files yet
10:34.06Jin^eLDand I recall it was working before hmm
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10:57.24florianhio all
10:58.10hrwhi florian
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11:06.04methrilhi
11:08.16Esbe1What is the status of packaged staging? Is it in, and is there any documentation on how it is implemented?
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11:16.16hrwEsbe1: in progress
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11:37.57CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r5491bc87... 10/ (1 packages/glib-2.0/glib.inc): glib-2.0: use autotools_stage_all to catch all libs, glib >= 2.15.0 adds extra libs
11:38.00CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * rd776481a... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): glib: add 2.15.6
11:38.06CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r9b109398... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom 2008 preferred versions: add glib and sort
11:38.11CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * rb4c10101... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: bump webkit-gtk, epiphany and gypsy
11:38.16CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r40b43c5c... 10/ (9 files in 3 dirs): webkit-gtk: move over to autotools
11:38.20CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r0a5c9b1c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): midori: update to new webkit api
11:38.25CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * rd37ccc0c... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): openmoko2: update browser to new webkit api, remove feedreader from task-openmoko-pim
11:38.33CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r0029c026... 10/ (1 packages/gnome/epiphany_2.21.92.bb): epiphany: add 2.21.92 to match webkit api
11:38.39CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * rebf3cb9d... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-browser2/webkit-update.patch):
11:38.39CIA-38openmoko-browser2 webkit patch: remove cruft
11:38.39CIA-38* hail diffsplit!
11:38.59zeckehehe
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11:40.27hrwtime to update OE and check that webkit in Poky ;D
11:43.03zeckehehe, koen did my work, will put his patch and make it upstream
11:49.54hrwzecke: take one from Poky too - ok?
11:50.43hrwzecke: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky/trunk/meta/packages/webkit/files/fix_im.patch?rev=3727&view=auto
11:51.20zeckehrw: ask alp :)
11:51.50hrw;D
11:54.49CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r98700fc1... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-browser2_svn.bb): openmoko-browser2: maxrev patch since it's upstream now
12:02.20Esbe1which bitbake version is required or preferred when working with packaged-staging, svn trunk?
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12:15.47Jin^eLDre
12:15.48Jin^eLDtwo portions were way too much
12:15.50RPEsbe1: 1.8 svn head
12:15.50Jin^eLDI should eat less
12:17.45zeckeJin^eLD: eating less meat?
12:18.02Jin^eLDthat's should be the plan.. it never works out
12:18.28Jin^eLDhad one surschnitzel with rice, and then 2nd round - serviettenknoedel with some geselchtes meat
12:18.41zeckelol
12:18.55Jin^eLDnot funny, I can barely breathe now
12:19.03Jin^eLDI'm happy I made it back to my workplace
12:19.04Jin^eLD:)
12:19.55RPzecke: Any thoughts on that email or should I just add the changes?
12:20.01Jin^eLDRP: I never had to care about it - that's why the eating quantities got out of control, but now I'm kind of old, soon 31 will knock me out - and I see that I am starting to gain weight too
12:22.30RPJin^eLD: I just eat too much compared to my comparitive lack of exercise...
12:22.46Jin^eLDsame here
12:22.50Jin^eLDexcercise equals zero
12:22.56Jin^eLDI really need to start doing something
12:23.26RPI'd like to find "something" I don't mind doing...
12:23.52Jin^eLDmy problem is that I use every spare minute to code on my project, which is so exciting that I barely find time for anything else
12:23.59Jin^eLDI thought about bying a WII :)
12:24.09Jin^eLDI tried this boxing game at a friends place, I could barely breathe after 2 minutes of playing
12:24.20Jin^eLDmain thing I dislike about the WII are the childish graphics
12:24.43RPJin^eLD: I spend too much time on Poky/OE/kernels/computer stuff :/
12:25.27Jin^eLDRP: let's face it - we are nerds :)
12:25.43Jin^eLDin that sense bying a WII for excercise would be a niec nerdish solution :>
12:25.48Jin^eLDs/niec/nice/
12:25.57RPJin^eLD: no comment ;-)
12:26.00Jin^eLD=)
12:27.52zeckeXorA: you will have to schedule some time tomorrow and friday for me
12:28.02zeckeXorA: you will be forced to abuse your big qtopia bb file a bit more...
12:28.34zeckeRP: having a bike, and saying rollerblade is not safe?
12:28.44Jin^eLDI actually have a mountainbike in the cellar, but I did not take it out for almost a year now :P
12:28.53RPzecke: I find the bike much safe ;-)
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12:30.00RPzecke: If I could stop properly I might feel safer
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12:38.09mr_niceRP: good, save and easy way to stop with rollerblades is to jump into grass ;)
12:38.31Jin^eLDthat reminds me of the jackass videos ;)
12:39.27RPmr_nice: Assuming there is grass around :)
12:43.28mr_niceRP: well, good point :)
12:44.30RPmr_nice: The problem is compounded by the number of hills around here ;-)
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12:52.38Jin^eLDstill fighting yesterdays problem... NOTE: consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-angstrom-uclinuxeabi-libc-for-gcc - it *is* defined! I now physicalle moved away all *glibc* recipes and the message is gone
12:52.47Jin^eLDlet's see how far I get
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12:54.15undertookhi all
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13:07.04zeckeXorA: ping
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13:07.58Jin^eLDhey apaulsen, how is it going?
13:08.26apaulsenhi Jin^eLD, I got u-boot on my blackfin board last night, so good!
13:08.39Jin^eLDI'm still battling with weird issues in OE
13:08.42LaibschRP: Not sure why, but glib-2.0 recently broke http://rafb.net/p/YT8iA254.html
13:08.48Laibschfor Sharp ROM
13:08.56LaibschIIRC, it used to build fine
13:09.28apaulsenJin^eLD: I haven't tried anything with OE for blackfin yet, just using uclinux by itself for now
13:09.56Jin^eLDI see
13:10.12LaibschRP: possibly related bugs are 2185, 3325 and 3777
13:10.23Laibschjust from a very quick glimpse
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13:11.24Esbe1which hook should be used for staging, do_stage or do_populate_staging ?
13:11.58Esbe1I thought that do_stage were being phased out, but it is in many recipes, and using do_populate_staging seems to break when using packaged-staging.
13:11.59RPEsbe1: do_stage
13:12.02Esbe1ok.
13:13.36Esbenwithout packaged-staging, it seems like do_stage hooks are not being called...
13:14.10RPEsben: If that were the case, people would be complaining an awful lot ;-)
13:14.14RPLaibsch: I'll run a test build
13:14.47LaibschCool
13:14.47LaibschThanks
13:15.20EsbenRP: right :-)
13:22.13zeckeRP: quick thought: gcc4.1 is broken the same way (at least for Esben it seemed to be)
13:22.57RPzecke: Yes, I think gcc-cross-sdk is broken for most versions :/
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13:32.44Esbenas we have a gcc-native recipe, why isn't there a glibc-native?
13:33.50zeckeEsben: because gcc comes with a c library? and this was good enough to compile the other native stuff (back then)?
13:34.02hrwEsben: we have gcc3-native
13:34.20EsbenOk, fair enough :-)
13:37.35RPEsben: gcc-native is just so people with gcc4 can compile a gcc 3 for qemu
13:39.20Genesishey RP i wrote an little grubimage.bbclass , perharps you'd like to look at , i think itcan be useful for qemu image
13:39.36XorAzecke: gnop
13:40.18zeckeXorA: I need the following. You have to touch this ugly Qtopia recipe that I have never seen and don't want to see
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13:41.17zeckeXorA: we need to build Qtopia/X11 (there is a README.x11 in the tree), install it the same way, and then install some more files (the apps-x11 directory to /usr/share/applications and some of the pics as well), probably adding proper prefixes while installing
13:41.41zeckeXorA: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtopiaOnX11 with the git uri, it built for raster
13:42.37XorAgah you want everything
13:43.54XorAWTF is openmoko building xoo for????
13:44.00zeckeXorA: this is for friday :)
13:44.22XorAzecke: so you need SRC_URI changed and a few arguments flipped?
13:45.16zeckeXorA: and some ugly extra copying for freedesktop.org files
13:45.42zeckeXorA: and if you are crazy also xsession script changes (xmodmap) and starting the qpe process
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13:51.26ScaredyCatis there a bugtracker or somesuch for oe ?
13:51.38XorARP: xoo configure seems to be ignoring --sysroot* arguments, I assume something needs added to configure.ac?
13:52.41apaulsenScaredyCat: http://bugs.openembedded.org/
13:53.05RPXorA: You mean pkgconfig ones?
13:53.22zeckeXorA: are you going to work on it?
13:54.11XorARP: well its calling gcc without any --sysroot arguments (and therefore failing)
13:54.30apaulsenhas anyone built Koen's new webkit?  I'm getting sanity errors during staging: http://rafb.net/p/2ZksQ060.html
13:54.32XorARP: Im not quite sure how this all slots together yet
13:54.42RPXorA: It shouldn't need a --sysroot option?
13:54.59RPXorA: We compile the compiler so it has a sane default for --sysroot
13:55.26XorA/lib/libc.so.6: file not recognized: File format not recognized
13:56.23XorAwhich I guess means it got the hostfs /lib not the staging /lib
13:57.36RPXorA: I'd be interested to see the commandline that was compilng with
13:58.12XorARP: http://rafb.net/p/23KYMa45.html
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13:58.58XorAzecke: I shall have a go tomorrow
13:59.11XorAzecke: I dont feel like 2 hour builds this afternoon
14:01.29RPXorA: Add expat to DEPENDS and use 1971 as SRCREV
14:01.38RPXorA: Some kind person fixed this already in matchbox svn ;-)
14:01.47CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * ra877d0fa... 10/ (1 contrib/angstrom/build-release.sh): angstrom build release: do uclibc stuff first, so initramfs kernels build properly
14:01.57XorARP: heh heh
14:02.03ScaredyCatta apaulsen
14:08.11XorARP: that cracked it thanks
14:08.32XorARP: how do you keep all this knowledge in a single human head? I think you have brains in jars on shelves :-)
14:10.17Croftonapaulsen, they are pkgconfig errors
14:10.36CroftonI wonder if he did the work b4 pulling RP's changes from yesterday?
14:10.43apaulsenthat's what I was thinking
14:11.08RPI had tweaked some of the webgit .pc files and it looks like the broken again
14:11.54RPXorA: heh, I wish ;-)
14:12.23hrwXorA: maybe RP has army of own clones?
14:12.26XorARP: so on the subject of tweaking .pc files, what is the style to be adopted, vte.pc and libsexy.pc both now fail sanity
14:12.27ScaredyCathas anyone built libspiff recently?
14:12.42XorAScaredyCat: keep your drug addled libs out of here :-)
14:13.08ScaredyCatdude, no way
14:13.15XorARP: is it as simbple as reducing them to -I${includedir}
14:14.13RPXorA: Basically yes, no hardcoded paths should be being added, they should be using macros like that
14:14.30RPXorA: Sometimes its easier to add Requires or Requires.private
14:14.57XorARP: point me at a good example of fiddling and Ill have a go
14:15.06ScaredyCatXorA: I'm getting a lot of sanity check failures too ... vte.pc, pycairo, webkitgtklibxslt, libsexymofo
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14:17.21RPXorA: libmatchbox does it right
14:17.29XorARP: cheers
14:17.47RPXorA: For .private stuff have a look at gnutls or similar
14:19.17RPXorA: Touching Requires is much easier than touching Libs/Cflags if the upstream dependency has .pc support
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14:20.45XorARP: Requires: gnutls means that stuff that uses gnutls.pc requires gnutls?
14:21.52RPXorA: If I added that, I was confused at the time :/
14:22.34XorA<PROTECTED>
14:22.34XorA+Requires.private: gnutls
14:22.36dtahtbotXorA: Error: "Requires.private:" is not a valid command.
14:22.53XorAarg, get rid of these crappy bots
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14:24.43XorARP: oh wait, wrong .pc file
14:24.48XorARP: stupid me
14:24.57hrwI would kick that dtahtbot bot away
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14:25.06hrwits #timesys bot
14:25.07hrw;D
14:25.08RPXorA: right, its gnutlsextra :)
14:25.27RPXorA: You had me wondering about my sanity there ;-)
14:25.28Croftonah, industrial espionage
14:25.36XorARP: I was distracted by looking for pkgconfig documentation to which there is none on its webpage :-(
14:25.48XorAcrappy freedesktop.org dont beleive in docs
14:25.51RPXorA: You know the .prviate stuff is static linking?
14:26.17XorARP: nope, thats why I was looking for docs :-)
14:28.35XorAso where there is a -Itmp/gblah/blah/xxxx I can replace that with a Requires: xxx yyy zzz
14:29.29RPXorA: If that lib has .pc support, yes
14:29.44RPXorA: also that assumes the lib always needs it
14:30.05XorARP: ok, so try and be conservative
14:30.06RPif it doesn't you need something like libmatchbox has in configure (PANGO_REQUIRED)
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14:32.39rschusterflorian: ping
14:34.14florianrschuster: pong
14:36.27rschusterflorian: have you reserved a booth for OE @ LinuxTag already?
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14:37.59florianrschuster: The request is submitted and I'm waitign for feedback... Nils told me that the guys responsible for that are on some other event currently so it might take some days.
14:38.01XorARP: so something like http://www.nopaste.org/p/aZ4FU5Bd3
14:38.57rschusterflorian: OK
14:39.04RPXorA: Looks good :)
14:39.13chouimat|workmorning
14:39.15XorARP: cool
14:39.27XorAthis old dog learns new tricks
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14:41.15rschusterflorian: I got an address where we can propose a workshop. I would like to CC you
14:41.18CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r9ab77b31... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom 2008: prefer dbus 1.1.20
14:41.39rschusteranyone else in the mood for teaching OE to the masses?
14:41.45florianrschuster: ok great - please do so
14:41.45rschuster:)
14:41.52florianhehe
14:42.42XorArschuster: is linuxtag mostly in german?
14:43.41rschusterXorA: has a bend towards native speakers yes. but I will do my talk and workshop in english
14:53.36hrwI will probably attend too
14:56.31EsbenHmm... How is CROSS_DIR influenced by packaged-staging?
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15:01.21EsbenLet's say I have a recipe that installs files in CROSS_DIR and in STAGING_INCDIR (gcc-cross-initial), shouldn't I end up with an ipkg file in tmp/deploy/glibc/pstage ?
15:02.04RPEsben: packaged staging doesn't cover cross or native packages yet
15:03.13hrwI love OH buildbot ;)
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15:05.57CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * r587c8ea4... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
15:05.57CIA-38xoo_svn.bb : bump SRCREV and add expat to DEPENDS, fixes compile problems
15:05.57CIA-38with new sysroot.
15:10.50XorAcurses OE repo doesnt respond
15:10.55pb_lrg: are you familiar with the WM8955?  I have a quick question about the output gain registers.
15:11.39brooniepb_: He's in a meeting ATM - what's the question?
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15:13.41pb_broonie: the datasheet says that LOUT1 Volume (register 0x2) sets the gain from -67dB to +6dB (i.e. a range of 73dB), but it also says that there are 80 steps which seems a bit strange.  I was wondering if you could confirm what the actual size of each step is.
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15:15.18pb_this is page 26 of the rev 4.2 datasheet, fwiw
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15:19.43rschuster"bitbake -c rebuild" is still broken for me (it does not clean the WORKDIR and starts over). is there a PR to track this?
15:19.55broonieI'd need to check with the hardware guy who isn't around right now. It does divide down relatively evenly to 0.9125dB steps.
15:20.52broonieI can't give a 100% guarantee about that but I'd be surprised if it weren't that.
15:21.33pb_OK, thanks.
15:22.11ant|workhey, what's up with apache @ linuxtogo.org?
15:23.31lrgpb_: sorry, unfortunately not - could you mail apps
15:23.31pb_broonie: hm, except that you can't get to 0dB by stepping down from +6 in multiples of 0.9125.  It seems a bit strange to me that there wouldn't be a zero gain setting at all.
15:23.34pb_lrg: will do
15:24.53XorAprobably a slightly non linear graph like a lot of the volume controls seem to follow
15:25.29pb_yeah, that was my guess, but there doesn't seem to be any explanation of the curve in the datasheet.  unless it's tucked away in some other section that I haven't noticed yet.
15:25.46pb_anyway, my intrepid colleague Gerard is going to mail apps@.  we'll see what they have to say.
15:29.32Croftonwhat's a few db between friends
15:29.54EsbenWhy are cross packages not covered by packaged-staging yet?
15:30.46EsbenIt would be nice to know fore sure that fx. gcc-cross-initial files will never be present for other packages than those few that depends on that instead of gcc-cross
15:35.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3939 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder>
15:35.06cdbot2* * glib-2.0-2.15.6-r2-do_configure
15:35.09cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3939
15:37.01CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r6d1947d7... 10/ (1 site/arm-linux-uclibc): arm linux uclibc site: add posix getgrgid_r
15:37.08CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * re9838ae7... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): libsexy_0.1.11.bb : add hopefully correct fix for pkgconfig issues.
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15:42.23mohamedhi all, I was building openembedded but the following error occurred http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58499/, can any one help me ?
15:44.29CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.dev * r069961be... 10/ (1 packages/libxslt/libxslt_1.1.22.bb): libxslt: add 1.1.22 and bruteforce fix pkgconfig files
15:44.56hrwMACHINE = "sun4cdm"?
15:45.04hrwmohamed: you know what you are doing?
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15:45.58mohamedhrw: I'm just trying to build for a sparc arch, and the only machine conf file which has the target arch sparc is that one so I chose it
15:46.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3939 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <koen>
15:46.06cdbot2* * glib-2.0-2.15.6-r2-do_configure
15:46.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3939
15:47.20hrwah
15:47.49hrwmohamed: it looks like we do not have kernel for that machine so it started to build any kernel and failed
15:48.54mohamedhrw: should I neglect the machine conf file, and choose the target arch to be sparc in the local.conf file ?
15:49.42hrwin theory there is a kernel for it. but why it does not work...
15:49.50hrwmohamed: sparc is nearly forgotten in OE land ;(
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15:55.09mohamedhrw: ok I'll try a way around, any way thank you for your time :)
15:57.55LaibschRP: wrt bug 3938, where do I add the RRECOMMENDS line so that for people with a libertas card the apm-wifi-suspendfix package is installed?
15:58.14Laibschhostap and orinoco were in separate packages that I could add an RRECOMMENDS to
15:58.19LaibschHow about libertas
15:58.29Laibsch"locate -i libertas" returned nothing
16:00.01XorALaibsch: I found a problem with apm-wifi-suspendfix, the suspend happens before this script even runs :-(
16:00.18XorALaibsch: and so it doesnt work so well on resume :-(
16:00.28LaibschThat's not so funny, then
16:00.53Laibschbut if the suspend happens before the script runs, why did it fix things for me?
16:01.04LaibschI am a bit confused, here
16:01.05XorALaibsch: kernel version differences?
16:01.12XorA2.6.23 here
16:02.28LaibschNot sure which version it was here.
16:02.37LaibschRight now, none of my machines boot
16:02.50LaibschXorA: Essentially, the script does nothing for you, right?
16:03.00LaibschIt does not deteriote things?
16:03.08XorALaibsch: yes :-( and Im sure it should wait until all apm script have run
16:03.08Laibschdeteriorate
16:03.24XorAbut no, the card is no more broken after suspend than before script :-)
16:03.25LaibschIt does deteriorate the status quo?
16:03.30LaibschOK
16:03.34LaibschI am relieved
16:03.49LaibschXorA: I am not sure how to fix this and currently I don't have time for it
16:03.57LaibschCan you open a bug report and cc me?
16:04.15XorAone day when Im not under pressure
16:05.01ScaredyCatXorA: xoo is fine ... now libspiff :)
16:05.11LaibschXorA: come on, reporting a bug is quick
16:05.24TartarusAnyone with commit privs around wanna look at the patch on 3897?
16:09.00florianTartarus: is this patch known to work? if yes i would check that in
16:11.36Tartarusflorian, lemme do one more rebuild just to be extra safe.  But yes, it does fix the thinko in my previous patch
16:12.04florianTartarus: ok great - waiting for you :)
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16:12.54Tartarusflorian, yes, it puts things into usr/include/mtd/ now, really
16:14.33XorAScaredyCat: now Im onto libspliff
16:14.52CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * r4576a315... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): vte_0.16.9.bb : add patch to hopefully fix pkgconfig issues with sysroot
16:15.25ScaredyCatXorA: good, I've been bitching about that one all day :P
16:15.41XorAScaredyCat: well first I need to do libxslt :-(
16:15.58ScaredyCatyou have 10 minutes :P
16:22.18aadamsonanyone know whats up with the OE website?  I can't get to any of it :(
16:23.02ant|workLaibsch: have you elaborated a final opinion about oebug 3428 ? Which are the right places for the PREFERRED_PROVIDERS? Machine or distro (with override)?
16:23.39CIA-3803Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r795685d9... 10/ (1 packages/apmd/files/90-wifi-off): apm-wifi-suspendfix: add libertas to the cards being ejected before suspend. Closes 3938.
16:23.55Laibschant|work: If I had, I'd have posted it there ;-)
16:24.36ScaredyCatit's not coding XorA ... it's cooking
16:24.49ScaredyCatbesides, you probably broke it :P
16:25.11ant|workIt is a general question, not only for this specific case...I don't see the append _c7x0 much used...
16:25.53Laibschant|work: It would generally be nice if you left me alone with c7x0 stuff
16:25.59LaibschI don't own the device
16:26.09LaibschAnd the devices I own don't run
16:26.20Laibsch=> I should really put my time into them
16:26.34LaibschAnd these days, my OE time has to be reduced
16:26.44hrwbye
16:26.47ant|workLaibsch: the _c7x0 append is mostly used in the Opie packages
16:29.32CIA-3803florian 07org.oe.dev * r0c8de982... 10/ (1 packages/xserver-common/xserver-common_1.22.bb): xserver-common: add 1.22
16:29.38CIA-3803florian 07org.oe.dev * r0ee0a20f... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mtd-utils: Install headers into correct directory (patch by Tom Rini)
16:29.44LaibschScaredyCat: Why are you looking at me?
16:30.41Tartarushey ant|work, did you ever try the smbfs thing?
16:31.12ScaredyCatmtn: multiple update candidates:
16:31.12ScaredyCatmtn:   0ee0a20f5d8af386a339a53032acfcaf526b83c1 florian@openembedded.org 2008-03-05T16:18:47
16:31.12ScaredyCatmtn:   795685d9c4cce2768321f029142a0224520964b7 Laibsch@openembedded.org 2008-03-05T16:07:22
16:31.22ant|workTartarus: nope, atm I'm building initramfs images in the free time...pls wait
16:31.34Tartarusk
16:31.48LaibschScaredyCat: That will go away eventually
16:31.55LaibschJust pick one you like ;-)
16:32.16florianah
16:32.20floriangood timing ;)
16:32.21ScaredyCatthat's why I was looking at you and florian ... trying to work out which one was right :)
16:32.56florianaadamson: should be back
16:33.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 3938 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <Laibsch>
16:33.06cdbot2* * Marvel 8385 libertas driver will not wake from suspend 2.6.24
16:33.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3938
16:33.22Laibschant|work: The answer to your question should be obvious
16:33.44Laibsch./conf/machine/c7x0.conf:XSERVER = "xserver-kdrive-imageon" is status quo, but you have a problem
16:34.04Laibschthe _c7x0 override thing is something new, that hopefully fixes your problem
16:34.20ant|workLaibsch: but will be a nightmare to mantain...
16:35.48Laibschwhy?
16:36.08LaibschI *REALLY* don't care about the c7x0
16:36.22LaibschAnd I really don't have much time these days
16:36.30ant|workLaibsch: I told you I'm not talking about the specific case... sigh
16:36.42Laibschwhich is why I'd really appreciate you stopping to contact me on those issues
16:36.54ant|workLaibsch: could be for a new machine, you see
16:37.06aadamsonflorian: yep, it is... thanks
16:37.10LaibschAnd I'd also like you stopping Laibsch'ing me all the time.  I think I already told you at least thrice by now
16:37.23LaibschYou seem like a nice guy, but I want to warn you that you are close to hitting my ignore list
16:37.55ant|work???
16:37.56Laibschant|work: OK, thanks for considering other problems
16:37.59ant|workbbl
16:38.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 3897 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <florian>
16:38.06cdbot2* * mtd-utils-dev is empty
16:38.07LaibschI really don't have time today to put some thought into this
16:38.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3897
16:38.42schurigLaibsch: I'm the guy that wrote libertas_cs.ko, but I actually didn't really tried it in suspend/resume
16:38.53Laibschschurig: OK
16:39.01LaibschIs there a separate package for it?
16:39.05schurigLaibsch: my device does at suspend time "pccardctl eject" and when resuming, it does "pccardctl insert".
16:39.16schurigMaybe not the wisest thing, but that works VERY reliable :-)
16:39.35LaibschOK, the apm-wifi-suspendfix should do the same
16:39.37schurigLaibsch: no, libertas & libertas-cs is part of standard kernel 2.6.2x
16:39.51LaibschCan it be made into a separate package?
16:39.59schurigLaibsch: however, it's quite easy to extract libertas from, say. the wireless-testing and compile it out-of-kernel
16:40.10LaibschThat way, one could RRECOMMENDS apm-wifi-suspendfix
16:40.13schurigLaibsch: I don't intent to make it an extra package
16:40.19LaibschFair enough
16:40.47schurigLaibsch: why should in-kernel-stuff be made available as extra downloads?   However, the kernel BB files could make it an extra ipkg file ...
16:41.04Laibschhttp://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3938#c4 applies then, I guess
16:41.22Laibschschurig: hostap and orinoce are separate packages
16:41.28LaibschDon't ask me for the reason
16:41.52LaibschBut it makes it easier in this case because the package can RRECOMMENDS the suspend-hack
16:41.58schurigLaibsch: however, if somebody sends a fix for suspend/resume for the libertas driver to linux-wireless or libertas-dev, I'm willing to test & ack the patch
16:42.09LaibschAnd it is not installed for everybody not using one of those drivers
16:42.19RPLaibsch: hostap and orionoco are build inside most modern kernels. They were once external and are not now
16:42.23Laibsch*if* ;-)
16:42.42LaibschRP: What do you suggest?
16:42.48LaibschI am fine with the current "solution"
16:42.58Laibschapm-wifi-suspendfix is nothing but a hack anyway
16:43.13ynezzRP: http://ynezz.true.cz/oe.tar.bz2 (4kB), bitbake --continue maemo-image-ynezz end with this exception http://pastebin.com/m11907ba0
16:43.22LaibschBut people with orinoco and hostap have the benefit that their stuff should work OOTB
16:43.27ynezzRP: thanks for looking into it
16:43.34RPYou could make the kernel package RRECOMMEND the hack
16:43.39Laibschlibertas people don't
16:43.46LaibschRP: Ain't that too much?
16:43.58LaibschIt can be uninstalled, but it would be installed by default
16:44.06LaibschNot sure that is what we want
16:44.15RPLaibsch: What do you want then?
16:44.24Laibsch*I* don't want anything
16:44.28LaibschI am fine
16:44.55LaibschBut I wonder how the libertas people can have the best experience with OE and derived distros
16:44.57RPynezz: I'll try and have a look at that later
16:45.11Laibschwhile not burdening non-libertas people
16:45.30RPLaibsch: If it works better with the hack pulled in then it should be added as a RRECOMMENDS for the kernel module
16:45.33ynezzRP: np
16:46.08RPLaibsch: RRECOMMENDS_kernel-module-libertas  += "hack-package" in kernel.bbclass?
16:46.28RPLaibsch: Obviously there are a few things that might need tweaking there...
16:48.51aadamsonok, all, so what changed, I can't build the slugos stuff anymore, get some errors around sanity.conf, did something change?
16:49.31RPaadamson: Perhaps those errors tell you what changed?
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16:51.22aadamsonRP: no they don't.  they simply state that the sanity checker detected an error.  I made no changes on my side, and I suspect this goes back to recent changes to the sanity.class stuff that was changed recently?
16:51.42aadamsonactually, just saw it.
16:51.53ynezzit's probably that 'ABI changed' error?
16:51.56aadamsonit has to do with the bloody ABI thing again.
16:52.13aadamsonyes, and I just went thru this, so now what changed or what do I need to change?
16:52.28ynezzI did rm -fr tmp :p
16:52.34RPaadamson: This time its for real, we changed the ABI and it needs a rebuild
16:52.58aadamsonok, so being a noob and all, care to offer the command or process?
16:53.11aadamsonI'm really just an appliance operator when it comes to this... :)
16:53.43RPaadamson: it needs a rebuild from scratch - wipe tmp (or move elsewhere) and rebuild
16:54.03aadamsontmp as in the slugos dir?
16:54.48RPaadamson: No, there should be a tmp directory somewhere. I don't realy know the sluos layout though
16:55.13RPmwester: help? :)
16:55.29aadamsonis it where the abi_version file is?  If so on slugos it's in the slugos dir that is adjecent to openembedded
16:55.31aadamsonI believe
16:55.47RPyes, its the same directory as that file
16:56.29aadamsonok, so I "mv"'d it to a holding name... then what, make update and then make slugosbe-image again?
16:56.41RPaadamson: yes
16:57.24aadamsonRP: Thanks, looks like it's back and functional.  is this kind of stuff documented somewhere so next time I can just go to xxx and find the new info?
16:57.52RPaadamson: The ABI change was mentioned on the oe-devel mailing list
16:58.48RPaadamson: I'd assumed most people using OE knew how to "wipe tmp" though :/
16:58.52aadamsonoh, ok, I'll check that from now on, it probably was missed by me tho as I assumed it was related to the last (what we now know as a temp fix) :)
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17:01.08aadamsonRP: most do, including me, but "wipe tmp" can mean a million things when said that way... if yo'd have said, wipe the OE tmp dir, I'd have probably known better what you ment... prolly just me needing more info, no your presentation :)... anyway, much obliged
17:02.26aadamsonRP: no = not
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17:07.29florianRP: I just tried the Universal kernel from the Poky release. It doesn't seem to work here - anything special I have to take care about?
17:07.29CIA-3803thebohemian 07org.oe.dev * r8fb06f47... 10/ (1 conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf):
17:07.29CIA-38chinook-compat: Updated preferred revisions.
17:07.29CIA-38* prefer classpath 0.97
17:07.29CIA-38* prefer libgpg-error 1.4 - earlier build cause libgcrypt build to fail
17:07.29CIA-38* disabled kaffe preferences
17:07.40CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * rcc22e314... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): angstrom-2007-for-openmoko-versions.inc : increment libxslt version
17:08.01RPflorian: Not specifically. Which haret did you use?
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17:08.32RPflorian: I've noticed some files were missing from the release and I'll add a known good haret binary
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17:10.22florianRP: not sure, but the same I used all the time. Definitely working but far from beeing up to date.
17:10.39RPflorian: How far did it boot?
17:10.54RPflorian: You followed the instructions in the README?
17:11.49florianRP: Some colourful ines and then the screen turned off.
17:12.37florianRP: hmm no, is there one? :-} booted like i was used to do it
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17:13.11RPflorian: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/poky/trunk/README.hardware
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17:13.40florianRP: ok, that one should go to the release download as well :)
17:13.54RPflorian: Just thinking that...
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17:15.08florianRP: latest gsmd should work with the cm-x270... iirc they use one of the telit modems
17:15.54RPflorian: you mean the em-x270?
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17:18.02florianRP: ah yes
17:19.25CIA-3803mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * re4d737f1... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): dropbear: add 0.50 with DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1
17:19.34CIA-3803mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rfc9843e5... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): dropbear: remove some outdated versions, everyone seems to be using 0.49 since long
17:19.47CIA-3803mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rdb7e3240... 10/ (1 packages/opkg/opkg_svn.bb): opkg svn use autotools_stage_all
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18:19.04rschusterRP: ping
18:21.03rschusterthere is probably some problem with packaged staging:
18:21.03rschusterERROR: log data follows (/home/rob/oe/chinook/tmp/work/javasqlite-20080130-r0/temp/log.staging_packager.12598)
18:21.03rschuster| *** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Architecture
18:21.26rschusterMULTIMACH_ARCH is empty for me:
18:21.26rschusterecho "Architecture: ${MULTIMACH_ARCH}"    >> /home/rob/oe/chinook/tmp/work/javasqlite-20080130-r0/staging-pkg/CONTROL/control
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18:37.13XorA|gonehmm, how do I get AC_CHECK_LIB to use g++ as a linker?
18:38.11TartarusHmm
18:38.18Tartarusis base_contains a full or partial match?
18:38.28Jin^eLDXorA|gone: select AC_LANG_CPLUSPLUS before the check
18:38.54XorA|goneJin^eLD: cool cheers
18:38.57Jin^eLDnp
18:40.05Jin^eLDbtw you can also use AC_LANG_SAVE and AC_LANG_RESTORE to switch back/forth
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19:02.20XorA|goneJin^eLD: even cooler
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19:04.01Jin^eLDautotools can be painful, but for some reason I still keep hating scons ;>
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19:05.36XorA|goneJin^eLD: I find autotools the easiest to fix, I just wasnt sure on the how to switch language stuff
19:06.38Jin^eLDwell, I had my "fun" moments with autotools, I think it took me about 2-3 months in total to work out the configure script for my project, endless story
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19:07.15Jin^eLDbut in the end it was worth it
19:07.17Jin^eLD:>
19:09.22mohamedhi all, I was building openembedded for sparc but the following error occurred http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58516/ any one can help ?
19:10.23Jin^eLDmohamed: looks like the configure script that you are compiling has no default setting for crosscompiling
19:10.26Jin^eLDso the runtest can not be done
19:11.20Jin^eLDdid you create the .bb recipe or was it already in OE?
19:12.11mohamedJin^eLD: I didn't create any, I configured the local.conf file and typed bitbake bootstrap-image
19:12.23Jin^eLDI see
19:12.45mohamedJin^eLD: can I reconfigure any file or do any modification that might help?
19:13.28Jin^eLDwell, I wonder why noone noticed it, i.e. - if it is broken for other systems too, at least the configure log indicates that it would not crosscompile on any system..
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19:13.48Jin^eLDyou could probably fix the configure.ac of this package
19:14.32rschusterbtw for all your auto* related questions. over in #classpath there is tromey aka mr. automake ...
19:14.52mohamedJin^eLD: could you guide me through this or just give me hints to do so ?
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19:15.30Jin^eLDmohamed: first check the bugtracker if there is any PR about this, maybe someone posted a patch
19:16.32Jin^eLDif not I'd unpack the source of the package and have a look at configure.ac
19:16.47Jin^eLDit will have an AC_RUN_IFELSE for this check
19:17.25Jin^eLDand depending on what variables it is setting etc. you'd have to add an option for the case of crosscompiling and decide if you have this feature, i.e. if you enable or disable it
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19:18.31Jin^eLDhere is the hint http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_mono/autoconf.html#SEC78
19:18.45Jin^eLDthen make a patch, add it to the .bb recipe and rebuild..
19:18.55Jin^eLDor test manually from the work directory first
19:21.52Jin^eLDnite everyone
19:22.12mohamedJin^eLD: thank you for your time :)
19:22.44XorA|gonemohamed: checks site/ for definitions of getpwnam_r and enter the correct one for sparc in the right place
19:23.23XorA|gonemohamed: I notice sparc is only platform without that value defined in site/
19:23.48mohamedXorA: I'm sorry I can't get you ?
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19:25.23XorA|gonemohamed: in your OE tree, there is a directory called site, inside site you find files such as arm-linux, sparc-linux, examine them and enter an appropriate value for sparc in right file for getpwnam_r
19:25.49XorA|gonemohamed: you will probably hit this a number of times on sparc as the site/* stuff for sparc hasnt been updated for ages
19:28.28mohamedXorA: getpwnam_r is not found in sparc-linux file ?
19:35.22XorA|gonemohamed: do you know anything about autotools at all?
19:35.41mohamedXorA: no :(
19:35.58XorA|gonemohamed: I think you need to start reading then :-)
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19:36.26mohamedXorA: could you give me some resources to start with ?
19:36.43XorA|gone<PROTECTED>
19:37.08XorA|gonemohamed: Ive never found a simple guide, I learned by pain
19:37.52flo_lapre
19:38.09mohamedXorA: I'll follow your foot steps then ;) . thank you for your time
19:38.24CIA-3803crofton 07org.oe.dev * rc5b05a0a... 10/ (13 files in 7 dirs):
19:38.24CIA-38gumstix-verdex,connex : Copy machine and kernel updates direct from gumstix.com
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19:49.01tsavolais bitbake trunk intended to require python 2.5?
19:49.11RPtsavola: yes
19:49.16tsavolaok, thanks :)
19:50.29RPtsavola: The 1.8 series won't but for trunk we've decided that by the time it becomes the stable series, 2.5 wouldn't be too much to expect
19:51.19tsavolait seems to require that "python" is version 2.5
19:52.11tsavolaoh, the main script uses python2.5, but lib/bb/cooker.py has #!/usr/bin/env python
19:54.16tsavoladoes setup-tools do some magic? the installed bitbake uses python2.5 but in source tree it uses /usr/bin/env python; that cooker.py doesn't get rewritten, but i assume it's not necessary in the installation?
19:54.44tsavolai just came across a parse error when running the install with python 2.4
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20:02.14XorA~praise RP for fixing problems before I even find them
20:02.15ibotAll hail RP for fixing problems before I even find them!
20:02.47gremlin[it]generic question: how can i change the beehaviour of shm_open only configuring glibc (starting from the same sources) ? ... seem OW build glibc in a different way respect of what another stupid-ugly script do ... :s ...
20:02.47RPXorA: :) Which one was that?
20:03.13emdetewhich var do i have to set in local.conf to build the HEAD version of a package ...something with ${AUTOREV} ?
20:03.37XorARP: matchbox-stroke expat problem
20:03.46RPXorA: ah, yes :)
20:03.58RPXorA: I went over all of mb svn ;-)
20:03.59XorARP: I guess that was a global fix for matchbox*
20:04.31RPXorA: Their autofoo looked like it was copy and pasted at one time
20:04.56XorARP: getting nearer completing an openmoko-devel-image post sysroot
20:04.57RPemdete: SRCREV_pn-PACKAGENAME = "${AUTOREV}"
20:05.05emdeteRP THANKS! :D
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20:05.22RPXorA: Is much else broken?
20:05.37RPXorA: this gcc-cross-sdk thing is eating my runtime :(
20:05.45emdeteRP: pn in lower case?
20:06.10RPemdete: yes, the caps were just to make it clear where the package name goes ;-)
20:06.13XorAso far, xoo, matchbox-stroke, vte, openmoko-mediaplayer2 but thanks to you all easilly fixed
20:06.17RPemdete: you need the "pn-" but, its important
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20:07.41RPs/but/bit/
20:08.13emdeteRP: fine. thanks. after changing the local.conf it takes quit a time for testing on my old machine...
20:10.24XorARP: altogether not as much breakage as I had feared
20:10.41RPXorA: That is good to hear :)
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20:14.51RPXorA: Some of my best code was written after a few beers ;-)
20:16.52gremlin[it]beer is like oil for neurons ... make them work faster :D  
20:17.11XorAexcept when it is called Delirium
20:17.38gremlin[it]hahaha ... my gosh ... Delirium Tremens !!!
20:18.24gremlin[it]me too ... but i miss it !
20:18.31CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * rdfa5b579... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): matchbox-stroke_svn.bb : switch to SRCREV and pick a REV that actually builds.
20:18.36CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r3697358d... 10/ (47 files in 11 dirs): simpad: add linux 2.6.24 support
20:18.40XorAgremlin[it]: you only miss the merkin chick you chatted up :-)
20:18.41CIA-3803koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r7b453ceb... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: bump to r8
20:19.52gremlin[it]hahahah :) ... no no ... too young, too yankee :)
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20:23.24thesingmorning all
20:25.23mrdata_thesing: morning ;-)
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20:37.20ynezzhildon-app-manager needs feeds with Packages.gz, but OE's rootfs_deb.class generates only Packages.bz2 so it's this correct fix or there's some variable which forces generating of Packages.gz list? http://pastebin.com/m527af4e2
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21:06.53CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * r3db77f53... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs.inc : increment openmoko-mediaplayer2 to buildable version
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21:31.41XorA|goneRP: NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed
21:31.46XorA|goneRP: only webkit now fails
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21:35.04B_LizzardHello
21:35.16B_LizzardAfter the latest update, I'm getting:
21:35.18B_LizzardError, TMPDIR has changed ABI (0 to 1) and you need to either rebuild, revert or adjust it at your own risk.
21:35.35XorA|goneB_Lizzard: rm -rf tmp/
21:35.42B_Lizzardahahahahaha
21:35.43B_Lizzardahahahahahah
21:35.48B_LizzardThat's *funny*
21:35.48hvontres|workB_Lizzard: and wait .....
21:36.00XorA|goneB_Lizzard: thats what that message actually says
21:36.13XorA|gone"you need to either rebuild"
21:36.33B_LizzardI am not about to rebuild 16000 packages.
21:36.46XorA|goneB_Lizzard: then revert
21:36.56B_LizzardThat's better. :D
21:37.27hvontres|workB_Lizzard: think of as "spring cleaning" for your build tree :)
21:37.29B_LizzardI actually just wanted to ask what the changes were that breed this error.
21:37.34B_Lizzardheheheheheh
21:38.34XorA|goneB_Lizzard: sysroot support went into OE as we planned at OEDEM
21:38.40hvontres|workB_Lizzard: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2008-February/004514.html
21:39.23B_LizzardOh
21:39.36B_LizzardDoes the actual directory tree change, though.
21:40.01B_LizzardUm, that was a question. :)
21:40.31B_Lizzard(sorry if I sound sarcastic or whatever, I do not mean to sound like that)
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21:41.27XorA|goneB_Lizzard: yes, tmp/staging/*/ now looks like a rootfs from a device
21:41.39B_LizzardHmmm
21:42.54B_LizzardAlthough I do not like the idea of my workspace going all haywire, I am rather ambivalent towards deleting or moving my existing tmp folder.
21:43.15ynezzhm linux_2.6.24 broken
21:43.24B_LizzardIt took me a long time to amass 16000 packages.
21:43.36B_LizzardA lot of fixing broken bb files.
21:43.46B_LizzardOr general compilation problems.
21:44.22XorA|goneB_Lizzard: well keep your packages then
21:44.33XorA|goneB_Lizzard: no reason you cant
21:45.08B_LizzardHmmm
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21:47.32chouimat|workis the at32stk1000 worth the price?
21:47.59B_LizzardI'll just think this over.
21:50.14B_LizzardAnd damn, my staging folder has a lot of manual changes too...
21:50.37RPXorA|gone: yay :)
21:50.42B_LizzardUm, is there no way I can migrate without rebuilding?
21:50.57B_LizzardEven manually
21:51.06B_LizzardBy copying folders and stamps
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21:52.28RPB_Lizzard: not in any safe way
21:53.07B_LizzardOk, I'll just let the wave of changes wash me away once more and rebuild the whole lot.
21:53.22B_LizzardOr whatever I can and keep the old ones.
21:53.28RPB_Lizzard: I'd save a backup ;-)
21:53.34B_LizzardYeah :)
21:53.46RPB_Lizzard: but if you need to make manual hacks if would be nice to fix OE properly
21:54.01B_LizzardHeh, the tmp folder is about 40 GB
21:54.39ynezzyou're building world?
21:54.48B_LizzardYeap
21:55.01B_LizzardUm, and also fixing packages that don't work.
21:55.56B_LizzardI'm anal-retentive
21:56.36B_LizzardI'm sure that over half the packages I make won't even run on the platform I'm building them for.
21:56.49B_LizzardThe number 16000 sure sounds impressive though.
21:57.08B_LizzardUm, can't get technical support for that here, eh? :D
22:00.06ScaredyCatB_Lizzard: you have your work cut out for you....
22:00.16CIA-3803xora 07org.oe.dev * r6c79a14c... 10/ (1 packages/libsexy/files/libsexy-pkgconfig-fixes.patch):
22:00.16CIA-38libsexy/files/libsexy-pkgconfig-fixes.patch : small correction to patch
22:00.16CIA-38to correctly Require libxml
22:00.16ScaredyCatthere's bucket oads that are broken now.
22:00.37B_LizzardI'm sure there are. :D
22:00.45B_LizzardI'll keep the patches coming in.
22:00.53ScaredyCatgood stuff :)
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22:03.35B_LizzardOh I can't bloody do this.
22:06.30B_LizzardI'm sure I can revert the changes made.
22:06.57B_LizzardBleh, that would probably make my patches invalid or whatever.
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22:17.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 670 has been REOPENED by rodrigo.vivi(AT)gmail.com
22:17.06cdbot2* * cpp should RDEPEND on gcc
22:17.09cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670
22:17.51CIA-3803rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdea50bd1... 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): uclibc: Merge various changes made in Poky to fix various paths
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22:22.24CIA-3803rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0a57519f... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libx11: Fix location of keysymdef.h
22:26.50aadamsonanyone wager a guess as to why glib2.0xx won't build under slugos?  I get all kinds of errors and then all the packages after it in build packages won't work as they are dependant
22:32.34ynezzI would like to use distro specific patch and SRC_URI_append_chinook-compat don't work, does it mean, that I've to play with OVERRIDES ?
22:33.44B_LizzardUm, for a 2.6.24 kernel do I use the .23 linux-libc-headers?
22:34.05RPB_Lizzard: It will usually work
22:34.32B_LizzardStrange that there's no .24 bb file
22:34.50RPB_Lizzard: Nobody's needed to add one? There is one in poky fwiw
22:36.00B_LizzardDoesn't seem to be one in packages/linux-libc-headers
22:36.13chouimat|workwho I can ask some question about AVR32?
22:36.33RPB_Lizzard: Have you any idea what poky is?
22:36.39B_LizzardYes
22:37.07B_LizzardSome kind of a building system that makes my life harder by making me learn things I don't need to.
22:37.27B_LizzardOr testing platform.
22:37.31B_LizzardI cannot remember.
22:37.47RPB_Lizzard: pokylinux.org
22:38.11B_LizzardProbably wouldn't work
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22:38.22B_LizzardAs I develop for a SH3-based device.
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22:42.41ant_RP: ...almost there with c7x0 bootimage: FATAL: This kernel (size=1388188 > 1294336) is too big for your device
22:43.33ant_RP: if only that busybox was not so huge...
22:44.51RPant_: You can strip busybox down...
22:45.12ant_RP: it's Koen + PaulS work...I hesitate
22:49.34hvontres|workant_: are they using the standard OE busybox or a custom version?\
22:50.04B_LizzardJust one kind suggestion.
22:50.14ant_RP: probably the bootimage for linux-hh is meant to be boot+emergency all in one (2mb space)
22:50.16B_LizzardI know this doesn't amount to much.
22:50.19B_LizzardWhatever.
22:50.26ant_hvontres|work: busybox-static
22:50.41B_LizzardJust, *pleeease* stop changing stuff around so that there's no escape route for people.
22:50.44B_LizzardOr some way to revert.
22:50.52B_LizzardI've seen this happen too many times.
22:50.55RPB_Lizzard: There is a way to revert
22:51.00ant_I'm looking in the defconfig, but I see binaries we don't need for Z
22:51.05B_LizzardNot an easy way
22:51.06RPB_Lizzard: go back to a revision before the ABI change
22:51.24B_LizzardAnd stay there?
22:51.34B_LizzardWhat about updates to non-related bb files?
22:51.39RPB_Lizzard: This change has been talked about for the best part of six months...
22:51.48B_LizzardYou've done this before
22:52.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 3940 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder>
22:52.06cdbot2* * linux-hackndev-2.6-2.6.21-hnd3-r14-do_configure
22:52.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3940
22:52.19B_LizzardWhen you removed a whole load of X-related packages and libraries
22:52.20XorA|goneB_Lizzard: thats why Angstrom has a stable branch
22:52.29B_LizzardI don't use Angstrom
22:52.38RPB_Lizzard: The ones in obsolete?
22:52.44B_LizzardNope
22:52.52B_LizzardThe ones, well, who knows where.
22:52.59B_LizzardThey were completely removed
22:53.06XorA|goneB_Lizzard: nothing stopping you forking a branch and just pulling what you need without core changes
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22:53.22B_LizzardThat wouldn't be nice of me.
22:53.38B_LizzardI try to keep as close to mainline as possible
22:53.48RPB_Lizzard: Pre xorg modularisation was removed after discussion
22:53.50B_LizzardBoth for me and for you (posting patches)
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22:54.20B_LizzardYeah, but removing them completely is still quite irresponisble
22:54.42B_LizzardAs real issues come up after the changes have been made.
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22:54.51RPB_Lizzard: So where was your objection on the mailing list when this was discussed?
22:55.46B_LizzardThere was no objection, because there was no problem before the changes were made
22:55.46B_LizzardOnly after the changes it was that I discovered problems
22:55.46RPB_Lizzard: You can't have it both ways - development and perfect stability
22:56.03tsavolayes you can, but then you need twice the manpower :)
22:56.20B_LizzardBut you can have a plan b for people that doesn't entail having to delve from mainline or start from the beginning,
22:56.26XorA|goneit only took me a few hours to repair the damage to openmoko, so changes werent that bad
22:56.46B_LizzardIt will take me a month to rebuild all the packages I have built.
22:56.55XorA|goneand my estimate to rebuild 16,000 packages is only about 8 hours
22:57.00B_LizzardHa
22:57.07B_LizzardThat is, if they all build.
22:57.18B_LizzardWithout problems
22:57.28XorA|gonedont rebuild the packages, your .ipk files didnt magically become obsolete
22:57.38B_LizzardI know, I know.
22:57.46B_LizzardMy staging folder has stuff, too.
22:57.52B_LizzardLibraries, stuff I need.
22:58.09ant_hvontres|work: I found nfs.ko (297484 b) in the cpio image :-((
22:58.46ant_hvontres|work: that's what inflated it !
22:59.00B_LizzardI know you're not responsible for every one developer's problems, and I can solve mine just fine.
22:59.14B_LizzardMaking such changes towards the better is commendable.
22:59.28B_LizzardBut *please* allow people an escape route
22:59.39B_LizzardInstead of making stuff obsolete
23:00.14B_LizzardUm, even deleting them outright when no suitable replacements exist.
23:00.18Tartarus... is that about packaged staging stuff making dev unstable?
23:01.35B_LizzardI can't bloody rebuild my tmp folder whenever major changes happen.
23:01.42B_LizzardOr chase new bugs around.
23:02.03TartarusWell, big changes are messy sometimes
23:02.06B_LizzardI've already had a userland release borked by unseen changes.
23:02.11TartarusBut whats the big deal about rebuilding your build output dir?
23:02.23B_LizzardI have stuff.
23:02.26TartarusI nuke mine frequently to make sure stuff actually builds right
23:02.38B_Lizzard:)
23:02.41TartarusI have tons of stuff
23:02.51Tartarusand if I can't rebuild it, I'm in trouble :)
23:03.17B_LizzardI have build almost every bb file in the OE repo
23:03.23XorA|goneanyway I am powering my build machine down after a successful day of sysroot conversion
23:03.29B_LizzardHalf of them don't even build without some kind of hacking.
23:03.52B_LizzardThat doesn't take 5 or 6 hours
23:04.11B_LizzardI can make my userlands in 5 or 6 hours with a new tmpdir
23:04.13XorA|goneB_Lizzard: well keep them hacked :-)
23:04.19B_Lizzardheh
23:04.31B_LizzardI need to keep up to date if I am to post patches
23:04.44B_LizzardElse koen will tell me to fuck off or whatever.
23:05.03B_LizzardBuilding feeds takes much longer
23:06.03B_LizzardSorry for breaking your balls.
23:06.22B_LizzardI'll find a way out of this without forking or delving too far.
23:06.25NAbyssBreaking balls, breaking builds.. fair exchange? :)
23:06.37B_LizzardQuite :)
23:07.18B_LizzardMaybe someday OE will become stable software
23:08.04B_LizzardIn a sense, it is, but...
23:08.14B_LizzardThings break....a lot.
23:08.28RPB_Lizzard: The problem is the way you're using OE. You shouldn't need to hack things, if you do its broken. You should be able to build from scratch without issue
23:08.38RPOE is a build system
23:08.41B_LizzardI can.
23:08.54B_LizzardI can build my userlands from scratch
23:09.02B_LizzardWithout issue
23:09.33B_LizzardI'm being a bitch because I need to render my tmp folder obsolete every other day.
23:10.00B_LizzardAnd I need to use the same tmp folder because I actually need the stuff that's in there.
23:10.17B_LizzardNot for testing, not because it took me 5 or 6 or 20 hours.
23:10.41B_LizzardBut because I need the stuff in there for the distribution.
23:10.50TartarusBut why are you building top of tree daily?
23:10.52B_LizzardThe feed etc.
23:11.01B_LizzardEh?
23:11.05B_LizzardYou mean updating?
23:11.09TartarusYes.
23:11.33B_LizzardBecause I need updated versions of some packages.
23:11.33TartarusIf you do top of tree daily, you can't expect everything to be stable
23:11.40B_LizzardQuite.
23:11.48TartarusThen you should pick a starter rev and backport
23:11.53B_LizzardBut I should expect to be able to use the same tmp folder.
23:12.04TartarusNo you shouldnt :)
23:12.07B_LizzardI should expect to be able to keep my already existing work.
23:12.17TartarusThings like big useful changes can cause problems like you're seeing
23:12.24NAbyssB_Lizzard: So cherry-pick the newer packages you want
23:12.25TartarusOutputs, yes
23:12.33Tartarusmiddle squishy bits no
23:12.39Tartarusyour ipks are fine
23:12.46Tartarusbut your build system is inconsisent
23:13.03B_LizzardI know.
23:13.21TartarusThen change your behavior so you don't have this problem :)
23:13.27TartarusI backport packages all the time
23:13.31B_LizzardHow can I expect to trust my build system if I can't trust that it will always work?
23:13.35Tartarusand once the new packaged staging stuff is done, I'm gonna move up
23:13.43TartarusYou can
23:13.49TartarusYou just can't expect to reuse bits that aren't reusable
23:14.13Tartarustmp is just that, it's all generated stuff
23:14.38RPB_Lizzard: There is no guarantee that OE.dev "will always work". It is a development branch, not a stable one
23:14.44Tartaruschange some core part of the world, need to start from scratch there
23:15.17B_LizzardI see that.
23:15.21B_LizzardAnd I know that.
23:15.35TartarusThen why are you doing what you're doing and being upset with the result?
23:15.51B_LizzardBecause this has happened once too many
23:15.57TartarusIf it hurts when you hit your hand with a hammer, stop hitting your hand with a hammer :)
23:16.05RPB_Lizzard: When was the last staging ABI change?
23:16.13B_LizzardI have no idea.
23:16.15B_LizzardI
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23:16.19B_Lizzard'll look into it.
23:16.22RPB_Lizzard: Not some packages being removed but an actual ABI change
23:16.31B_LizzardNever, I guess.
23:16.54B_LizzardOne more reason to keep some kind of escape route for people.
23:17.05B_LizzardThat simply want updated packages.
23:17.21B_LizzardAh
23:17.28B_LizzardMaybe I'm being stupid.
23:17.50B_LizzardIt's late, and I'm quite confused.
23:19.12B_LizzardIt just seems... illogical.
23:20.03B_LizzardThat people need to start over every once for a while if they want to be up to date.
23:20.24B_LizzardNot being up to date means, more or less forking, as patches won't be accepted.
23:20.55B_LizzardFor good reason, I guess.
23:21.26Tartarusmdp, where is the QSG in svn again?
23:21.27Tartarusga
23:22.01B_LizzardI'll just go to sleep and STFU
23:22.27B_LizzardBut this thing is getting on my nerves.
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