IRC log for #oe on 20081204

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01:15.11lumagDamn. Building of minimo fails if host is 64-bit (targeting arm).
01:15.22lumagAnd fails badly :(
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02:29.38luke-jrlumag: is there any reason you'd want a 64-bit Minimo on ARM?
02:30.05lumagluke-jr, my buildhost is 64bit
02:31.12luke-jroh
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02:31.13luke-jrsorry
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02:52.25sebbscould anyone tell me where i can find a list of supported devices?
02:52.44sebbsim trying to find a good smartphone to buy and i want to run linux on it
02:52.52woglindesebbs look into config/machine
02:53.05woglindeand good nite
02:53.28sebbsconfig/machine?
02:53.33sebbsis that a folder
02:53.34sebbsoh
02:53.37sebbshe left
02:56.21ALoGeNosebbs yep it is, a folder in the main repository
02:58.20ALoGeNosebbs take a look at here.. http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/conf/machine
02:59.37sebbsah sweet
02:59.40sebbsthanks dude
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02:59.46ALoGeNonp
03:00.14sebbsaw the phone i wanted to buy is not supported :(
03:01.04ALoGeNonow is a little complicated thing take a phone with WM to put linux inside..
03:01.12ALoGeNomotorolas maybe..
03:01.31ALoGeNoor maybe G1 is the best option
03:01.41sebbsg1 is cracke
03:01.44sebbsd
03:01.54ALoGeNowhat you mean?
03:01.54sebbsthey will or have already plugged the hole
03:01.59sebbswhat do you mean?
03:02.09sebbsim talkin gabout the root explot
03:02.15sebbson the g1 phone
03:02.17ALoGeNooh...
03:02.26sebbswhich lets you install linux(debian) on it
03:02.52ALoGeNowow.. i dont know nothing abut that ^^
03:02.56sebbsim looking to buy a pda+gsm device running linux
03:03.07ALoGeNoneorunner ^^
03:03.11sebbsa person from openmoko told me you guys
03:03.23sebbsyea, but i will have to wait for the new version
03:03.36ALoGeNowith keyboard maybe?
03:03.50sebbsyeah i would like/need a qwerty
03:03.53sebbscos i wanna code on it
03:03.59ALoGeNosure..
03:04.02sebbsthats why ive been looking at these HP ones
03:04.10sebbsthey seem supported but only the old ones
03:04.15sebbsasfar as i cna see
03:04.25sebbsi would love to have a smartphone i can run apt-get on
03:04.54ALoGeNoi was take htc universal of second hand.. by 150€ on ebay, and i have the wole debian inside but the wifi is crapping.-.-
03:05.49ALoGeNowe are stoped with 2.6.21hh20 kernel and the wifi dont work at all..
03:06.00sebbskinda annoying there aint anything around that is worth buying(as far as ive seen)
03:06.00sebbshttp://www.hardwaregeeks.com/index.php/gadgetblog/comments/review_hp_ipaq_910_business_messenger/
03:06.00sebbsthis one seemed great
03:06.00sebbsi would really like that one if i could run mutt on it
03:06.26sebbsuniversal looks kinda weak though
03:07.14ALoGeNothe uni is a great machine and with the extended battery is a small laptop ^^
03:07.43sebbsALoGeNo: how much ram does it have?
03:07.50ALoGeNobut a few ppl is involved in the project rigth now.. :/
03:07.53sebbshow extended?
03:08.10ALoGeNo64MB but you can upgrade it over internet..
03:08.15sebbsthe ram?
03:08.25sebbsupgrade over the internet?
03:08.29ALoGeNommm..
03:08.40sebbshow do you mean? buy new ram?
03:08.48sebbshow much can it be upgraded
03:08.52ALoGeNoyou can send it to upgrade, you have some webs that can do the work..
03:08.59ALoGeNo128MB
03:09.05ALoGeNosorry for my english ^^
03:09.11sebbs:) its ok
03:09.22sebbswhat about the harddrive?
03:09.45ALoGeNooh you can pu sd cards SDHC without problems
03:09.50sebbshow big?
03:10.17ALoGeNoi was read about 8GB and 16GB i remember..
03:10.24ALoGeNoim not sure..
03:10.31ALoGeNomaybe 32GB too
03:10.35sebbswow
03:10.39sebbsseriously?
03:10.42ALoGeNoyep
03:10.53sebbsand you can use it as a normal phone?
03:10.57ALoGeNoyep
03:11.00sebbssimcard?
03:11.12ALoGeNonow is running with debian and titchy linux phone part
03:11.30sebbsand its working fine?
03:11.44sebbscould you run mutt on it?
03:11.50sebbsand wyrd?
03:11.56ALoGeNoyes, BT IRDA and WIFI, but wifi is gone out some times..
03:12.02sebbsi mean is it too small to code on?
03:12.08sebbsi wanna buy a machine to code on
03:12.25ALoGeNoi think that you can code in the uni without problems..
03:12.35ALoGeNo640x480 screen..
03:12.43sebbsyeah i just saw that
03:12.47sebbsgood resolution
03:12.51ALoGeNoyep..
03:12.51sebbsgood for text editor
03:13.15ALoGeNoim usin KDE ( a little slow..) and icewm without problems..
03:13.34sebbshttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM
03:13.43sebbsi would only use text terminal
03:13.51sebbsthats all i need
03:13.56sebbsand to be able to surf
03:14.05ALoGeNoi told you the only one problem is the acx module , wifi hangs some times.. but all the rest is working like a charm.
03:14.23sebbshmm
03:14.32sebbsi mean sure kde is slow
03:14.41sebbsits a desktop environment running on a phone/pda
03:14.44sebbs^^
03:15.09ALoGeNoand of course.. you can run any distro like GPE, POKY, MAMONA, QTOPIA, OPIE, and that..
03:15.39sebbshmm, is this the phone with bestsupport+hardware around?
03:15.49ALoGeNoyeah is a little slow but isnt bad at all (i have 64MB ram only hehe)
03:16.03ALoGeNobut with icewm run like a devil..
03:16.18sebbsif i would get it i would order it with 128 ram and a good disk off ebay or whatever
03:16.43ALoGeNothe phone part of the uni works fine.., less the SMS that still in development.. (i think)
03:16.53sebbsi really really want a phone running linux, and the openmoko is not good for coding
03:17.13ALoGeNowait..
03:17.30ALoGeNohttp://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal
03:18.56sebbsthats great
03:19.02ALoGeNohttp://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux
03:19.35sebbsOn the HTC Universal, the cameras are not supported
03:19.42sebbs;(
03:19.44ALoGeNonope.
03:20.02sebbsnot at all?
03:20.06ALoGeNobut you can run the camera from WM
03:20.06ALoGeNoXd
03:20.12sebbs?
03:20.13sebbsWM?
03:20.18ALoGeNowindows mobile..
03:20.23sebbsoh
03:20.27sebbsso you would reboot
03:20.34ALoGeNoyep
03:20.41sebbsyeah thats ok. how long is the reboot time?
03:20.56ALoGeNobut you have boot SO, WM and linux, you run linux with haret..
03:21.16ALoGeNo30seg more or less..
03:21.29sebbsthat is ok
03:21.36ALoGeNomaybe 60
03:21.40sebbsif you really want to take a picture i mean
03:21.55ALoGeNothat i think of depends of that you have installed in WM
03:22.00sebbsi have a nokia n95-8gb now, it has a 5mp camera
03:22.06sebbsbut runs symbian :(
03:22.07ALoGeNohehe nice machine
03:22.19sebbsyes but i do not like symbian at all
03:22.30ALoGeNoyes, i know, in the past i have the 9210 ^^
03:22.36sebbsi would rather sell it and buy a new phone
03:22.37ALoGeNoand later 6600
03:22.52sebbssymbian is ok, but not good
03:23.00ALoGeNonope many virus xD
03:23.05sebbsheheh
03:23.05sebbsyea
03:23.22ALoGeNobut isnt bad at all ^^
03:23.29sebbsits very slow
03:23.30sebbsthe menus
03:23.39sebbsits has very good hardware
03:23.51sebbs5mp camera stuff like that, 8gb flash disk
03:23.55ALoGeNoyep is a little crap, wm with a 200Mhz runs much more better
03:24.06sebbsbut i would change all that for qwerty+debian
03:24.26sebbsqwerty is important
03:24.28ALoGeNoyou need a good screen..
03:24.33sebbsyes that too
03:24.40sebbs640x480 is crazy good
03:24.52ALoGeNo640x480 its ok, less is too small :/
03:25.04sebbsi like small
03:25.10sebbssymbian is too big
03:25.17sebbsvery large text
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03:26.06ALoGeNohey and n810?
03:26.38sebbslocked down version of linux :(
03:26.40sebbsmaemo
03:26.43sebbsor something
03:26.52sebbsits very locked down, (no root) etc
03:26.53ALoGeNoi cant remember but i think that you can put debian in that..
03:27.05ALoGeNoohh...
03:28.53sebbsand its not a phone is it?
03:28.59sebbsdoes it have gsM?
03:29.50ALoGeNoi'll tell you that buy the htc uni but the project is a little slow, and i dont know what will happend with uni in the future.. (with the kernel i mean.. becose the debian is debian arm and that still there for ever i think xD))
03:30.38ALoGeNoyes the htc uni is a 3G phone, and i dunno 3G but gsm works perfectrly in debian with de uni
03:31.06sebbsit will be hard to find the phone with the ram upgraded
03:31.18ALoGeNohehe yes
03:31.30sebbsdoing it myself would normally be ok, but im not sure i would wnat to buy a phone hack it and then use it
03:31.41sebbsif i was using it then wanted to hack it, it would be different
03:32.01ALoGeNobecose who upgrade the uni with 128MB have the best machine running debian in the palm of the hand.. (or whatever xD)
03:32.20sebbsis this the best hardware machine running debian?
03:32.26sebbsare there no other ones?
03:32.33sebbsi mean with good hardware
03:32.44ALoGeNohum... maybe but not more cheaper..
03:32.45sebbsi know there are older phones that run debian
03:32.52sebbswell cheaper is not a big problem
03:32.58sebbsi need it for work
03:33.08ALoGeNothen you can but some zaurus or that..
03:33.19sebbszaurus does not have gsm
03:33.22ALoGeNobuy*
03:33.32ALoGeNooh
03:33.46sebbsits for work so i need gsm/3g
03:33.57ALoGeNothen ... you can get htc shift 7"
03:34.11sebbshmm
03:34.15ALoGeNobut then you can get too asus eeepc ^^
03:34.16sebbsdoews it run linux?
03:34.24sebbseeepc is a pc
03:34.28sebbsi need a phone
03:34.43ALoGeNoyes i think that yes.., it comes with vista inside..
03:34.49sebbshtc shift is not a phone rither
03:34.55ALoGeNoi mean htc shift
03:35.05ALoGeNoyesyes.. it is..
03:35.07sebbsis htc shift a phone?
03:35.12ALoGeNoyep!
03:35.14sebbsdoes it run linux?
03:35.21ALoGeNoi think..
03:35.29sebbsif it does i would get it
03:36.44sebbsthats gonna be expensive
03:36.56ALoGeNoyes i think that it has phone, and run linux, like a normal pc..
03:37.14sebbs?!?!? its x84?
03:37.15ALoGeNohehe very spensive.. ;)
03:37.19sebbsno its cant be
03:37.27ALoGeNox84*
03:37.29ALoGeNo?
03:37.33ALoGeNox86?
03:37.48sebbsyes haha i am eating i prssed wrong
03:39.19sebbsis that really a phone? its veeeeeery big
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03:40.28ALoGeNoyes it is a phone
03:40.28ALoGeNoXD
03:40.39ALoGeNolook for htc x9500
03:40.41sebbsits very very big
03:40.46ALoGeNo7" ^^
03:41.10sebbsare you sure these run linux/
03:41.19sebbsif they do i will get one of these
03:41.37ALoGeNoask to google if you dont belebe me
03:41.41ALoGeNoor whatever
03:41.41ALoGeNoxD
03:41.52sebbscould you send me a url?
03:42.07sebbshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il4MY3ypm3E
03:42.08ALoGeNomany spam..
03:42.15sebbsits not a phone you cant use it like a phone
03:42.22ALoGeNoim looking about 5min..
03:42.26sebbsatleast not without a headset
03:42.43ALoGeNoThe HTC Shift is the ultimate UMPC. The built in quad-band GSM antenna ensures you've always got cell phone reception for internet browsing, and the tri-band 3G/HSDPA keeps you online at broadband speeds everywhere in the world. With a 40GB hard drive,
03:43.52sebbsyou cant have it in your pants
03:44.01sebbsi think i need something a bit smaller
03:44.06sebbsi have a X61t
03:44.55ALoGeNohttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381915
03:45.40sebbs:O
03:45.41sebbswow
03:46.06ALoGeNomaybe htc athena
03:46.15ALoGeNo5" screen
03:46.58sebbsits too big though
03:47.03sebbsi would need something smaller
03:47.29ALoGeNohttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
03:47.45ALoGeNoman you need htc universal
03:47.45ALoGeNoXD
03:48.19sebbshey
03:48.22sebbsathena looks good
03:48.29sebbshow big is that one
03:48.32sebbshmm
03:48.41sebbswonder if it runs linux
03:48.46ALoGeNobut linux is work in progress
03:49.01ALoGeNoyou can run android
03:49.15sebbswow
03:49.20sebbsthat one was waaay cool
03:49.22ALoGeNobut i dont know if you do the same with debian
03:49.25sebbswith the notepad thing
03:49.27sebbscover
03:49.30sebbsmaaan thats hot
03:49.36ALoGeNoyep
03:49.40sebbskeyboard seperation
03:49.46sebbsthats not too big
03:49.54sebbsits big though#
03:50.09sebbscamerta too ? :O
03:50.20sebbswhy are all the windows machines so cool :(
03:50.20ALoGeNoand it cost the 800$ less than shift that cost 1400$
03:50.21ALoGeNoXD
03:50.30sebbsyeah and its alot smaller
03:50.35sebbsbut linux support is not so good i think
03:50.40ALoGeNonope
03:50.56ALoGeNoi told you.. the think is very compicated ^^
03:51.22ALoGeNoand now the ppl is migrating kernels and that is a bad think..
03:51.27ALoGeNothing*
03:52.22sebbsmigrating to new kernels
03:52.26ALoGeNoif you dont have money probems you can buy htc universal over 100 or 150€ on ebay..
03:52.32ALoGeNoyep
03:52.40Tartaruskhem ?
03:52.45sebbshtc universal is good but not good enough,
03:53.05sebbsi need more ram and harddrive, if i could find it with 128ram perhaps, i will look into it though
03:53.07ALoGeNoand if you dont wnanna use the xwindow server you dont need 120MB of ram ^^
03:53.19ALoGeNo128*
03:53.22sebbswell i might do some stuff on it that will need it
03:53.41ALoGeNomaybe you are on the rigth :)
03:53.53sebbs:)
03:54.06ALoGeNobut i dont know what becose all works for me..
03:54.19ALoGeNoless the dammned wifi
03:54.20ALoGeNoXd
03:54.42sebbshey ALoGeNo if i can get android to boot on a phone, that means i can run debian in chroot no
03:54.46sebbs?
03:54.50sebbsathena runs android i think
03:55.01sebbsoh it does not support anything
03:55.04sebbsjust runs it
03:55.10ALoGeNommm, i dunno man :/
03:55.10sebbshttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2210758&postcount=35
03:55.36ALoGeNoyou can ask that to cmonex in #hpcdev becose she have ones..
03:55.45ALoGeNoone*
03:56.27ALoGeNoi do the other way...
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03:56.43ALoGeNoi use the same kernel to boot any distro in the uni
03:57.24ALoGeNoi was booted android with a normal kernel
03:57.44sebbscool
03:57.57sebbssupport for your phone seems to be good
03:58.13ALoGeNofor the uni? good?
03:58.19ALoGeNoxd not much..
03:58.59ALoGeNomy phone is from 2005 and is a little old.. and ppl have new one phones..
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03:59.14sebbsdo new phones have good linux support?
03:59.22ALoGeNoand now dont work in the uni old phone..
03:59.27ALoGeNono
03:59.28ALoGeNoXD
03:59.40ALoGeNobut the ppl get to work in theys..
03:59.41ALoGeNoXD
03:59.50ALoGeNoand left the old ones..
03:59.51ALoGeNoXD
04:00.16sebbs:) hehehe
04:00.18ALoGeNois crazy but this is the problem ^^
04:00.51sebbsi think i will keep ny n95 and wait for a good linux phone to come
04:01.16ALoGeNomaybe neorunner with querty ^^
04:01.16sebbshtc universal is good, but not worth changing phones for
04:01.28sebbsbut that willnot happend for a long time
04:01.45sebbsGTA03 is 6months+
04:01.52sebbsand it does not have qwerty
04:01.52ALoGeNoif you dont have money problems get the uni ^^
04:02.17ALoGeNoand test with that.. allways can sale over ebay again.. ^^
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04:03.05ALoGeNomorning HellDragon :)
04:03.38sebbshey
04:03.42sebbshttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus
04:03.47sebbsEXT. CAMERA  WIP  The driver is available in the 2.6.16 kernel for [WWW]Motorola A780
04:03.50sebbsINT. CAMERA WIP The driver is available in the 2.6.16 kernel for OMAP [WWW]info
04:03.59sebbs^^
04:04.20ALoGeNohehe i need acx driver not for camera for wifi..
04:04.21ALoGeNoXD
04:04.54ALoGeNoi dont have wifi when i go to take a coffee xDD
04:05.01sebbs:(
04:05.02sebbsaww
04:05.16sebbsi watch youtune
04:05.20ALoGeNoand i need to hack someone ^^
04:05.20ALoGeNoXD
04:05.21sebbsyoutube
04:05.28sebbshehe
04:05.55ALoGeNoit have mode monitor and so.. and injects..
04:05.55ALoGeNoXD
04:06.34sebbs^^
04:06.35ALoGeNobut in a few minuts begging to show trash in the screen.. and hangs the wifi..
04:06.50ALoGeNoand need ifup the device..
04:07.01ALoGeNoifdown/ifup
04:07.07sebbssucks
04:07.12sebbshopefully they will fix it soon
04:07.12ALoGeNototally..
04:07.23ALoGeNothnx..
04:09.51ALoGeNoCR2 is a good guy..
04:10.09sebbshttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
04:10.32ALoGeNohim is involved in android rigth now like all the world..
04:10.32ALoGeNoxD
04:10.37ALoGeNoyeah..
04:10.59ALoGeNoand the other rest of the world is involved with diamond and kaiser..
04:11.59sebbsi dont know much about these phone
04:11.59sebbss
04:12.11sebbsthey dont have htc here in europe
04:12.14sebbsatleast not what ive seen
04:14.05ALoGeNothe raphael is the diamond (diamond raphael)
04:14.46sebbswhich models are there
04:14.53sebbsi should google
04:15.31ALoGeNoand is like the kaiser but new model.. (and not the same hardware, but you have the ame BT wifi 3G and GPS and camera of course..)
04:15.54ALoGeNosame*
04:16.08sebbs"Re-enabled some services that I had previously disabled. With this GSM magically works in android. You can now receive calls (and probably also make calls)"
04:16.20ALoGeNoand keyboard.. (kaiser i dunno if it has keyb)
04:16.35sebbswhich one is best suppoeted
04:16.39sebbsyeah keyboard rocks
04:16.42sebbsi would gtet this phone
04:16.43sebbsi think
04:16.50ALoGeNodiamond?
04:16.53sebbsmaybe
04:16.57sebbsit has a keybaord
04:16.58ALoGeNoQVGA?
04:16.58sebbsboard
04:17.02sebbs?!
04:17.03sebbsis it?
04:17.07ALoGeNoyes
04:17.12sebbsit looks higher
04:17.16ALoGeNo320x240
04:17.21sebbson the screenshots it looks higher
04:17.29ALoGeNoread read..
04:17.52sebbshmm
04:17.54sebbssucks :
04:17.55sebbs(
04:17.56sebbs:(
04:18.11sebbsgood otherwise
04:18.15ALoGeNoi have the same that kaiser (tytnII) but without GPS htc hemes (Tytn)
04:18.43sebbsyou have it?
04:18.44ALoGeNoQVGA.. and sux for view any thing-..
04:18.47sebbs:(
04:19.14sebbshmm, i guess, are there other phones with higher resolution from htc?
04:19.26ALoGeNomaybe htc touch HD
04:19.31ALoGeNobut is a lot new..
04:19.37ALoGeNono linux i think
04:19.42sebbs:( ok
04:20.11ALoGeNo:)
04:20.27ALoGeNoisnt easy , uh? hehe
04:20.37sebbshehe no its not :( hehe
04:20.47sebbsi normally have a hard time choosing
04:21.05sebbslast time it was easy
04:21.08ALoGeNobut with linux the thing is more complicated..
04:21.16sebbsn958gb was very good when i had it
04:21.22sebbsand i run putty on it so it was ok a while
04:21.28sebbsbut input is very bad on a t9
04:21.37ALoGeNoyes..
04:21.39sebbsi need qwerty, i cant code on t9
04:21.48sebbsits ok to organize with but nothing else
04:22.16sebbsi want to run mutt and wyrd, and mc, and irssi etc
04:22.19ALoGeNohtc universal
04:22.20ALoGeNoXD
04:22.23sebbs:D hehe
04:22.28sebbsmaybe you are right
04:22.36sebbsdoes not seem to be another alternative
04:22.53ALoGeNoyou can do all this things over windows mobile
04:23.04sebbswhat do you mean
04:23.07sebbsrun windows?
04:23.10ALoGeNoputty and that..
04:23.17sebbsyes but its not enough
04:23.22sebbsi need to have chroot an dstuff
04:23.33sebbsperhaps even run a smaaaaall database
04:23.46ALoGeNoyou have it but the wifi still without end of work..
04:23.55ALoGeNothis is a problem..
04:24.06sebbsu think its gonna take a long time to fix>
04:24.07sebbs?
04:24.16ALoGeNoohh man...
04:24.18ALoGeNoXD
04:24.31ALoGeNoi pray all the days for that
04:24.32ALoGeNoXD
04:24.39ALoGeNo(im not catolic)
04:24.40ALoGeNoXD
04:24.42sebbsis it due to the new kernel?
04:24.46ALoGeNoim agnostic
04:24.51ALoGeNoor whaterver ^^
04:24.52sebbscant you revert to a older kernel?
04:25.10ALoGeNoyep but you lost other futures
04:25.13ALoGeNolike the phone..
04:25.22ALoGeNoand dont work at all..
04:25.33sebbshow long have you been waiting for the wifi to work
04:25.34sebbs?
04:25.53ALoGeNoi have the uni a few moths like 4 or 5 moths..
04:26.02sebbsoh that long
04:26.05sebbs:(
04:26.13ALoGeNoand im waiting around 1 or 2 moths..
04:26.21ALoGeNoxD
04:26.26sebbsoh ;)
04:26.40ALoGeNoi mean i have the uni stoped for that 1 or 2 moths.. ^^
04:26.50sebbsok
04:26.53sebbsdo you like it?
04:27.01ALoGeNobecose after i was ocupated learning and that ^^
04:27.05sebbsdo you have another phone?
04:27.40sebbshey bro you can really suft the net on this
04:27.43sebbshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Pocket_pc_qtek_2006-08-26.jpg
04:27.46sebbslooks good
04:27.56ALoGeNoyes i have tytn, the uni, and nec mp900c and ipod touch too..
04:28.27sebbscool
04:29.19ALoGeNoyeah you can surf but you must install opera ^^ much better that ie
04:29.29ALoGeNothan*
04:29.42sebbshow does linux run on the uni?
04:30.00sebbsis it ok?
04:30.12ALoGeNoyou need partitionning you SD card making 3 partitions..
04:30.20ALoGeNofat, ext2 and swap
04:30.33sebbsfat== boot?
04:30.46ALoGeNolater you put the haret.exe in the fat and boot to rootfs in ext2
04:30.53ALoGeNonono
04:30.56sebbsah
04:30.59sebbsok now i see
04:31.04ALoGeNothe fat is only to copy haret and kernel
04:31.25ALoGeNoand for your stuff ^^
04:31.43ALoGeNoopera or whaterver ^^
04:32.54ALoGeNowe need a phone with the screen of the iphone/itouch, and with querty, and debian inside
04:32.55ALoGeNoXD
04:33.02sebbshaha yeah
04:33.04sebbsexatcly
04:33.23sebbsand good battery
04:33.25sebbs+gps
04:33.29ALoGeNoxD
04:33.29sebbs^^
04:33.33ALoGeNoyes..
04:33.46ALoGeNothat is trying google.. but i dunno...
04:33.49sebbshave you seen the new n97?
04:33.51sebbsits craaaazy
04:33.58sebbsbut symbian :( :(
04:33.59ALoGeNooh yes!
04:33.59ALoGeNoXD
04:34.06sebbsits really nice though
04:34.08sebbsREALLY nice
04:34.11ALoGeNois a full copy of the htc machines..
04:34.11ALoGeNoXD
04:34.19ALoGeNois like my TYTN
04:34.20ALoGeNoXD
04:34.45sebbsits very good though, i saw it the other day at the nokia meeting
04:34.48ALoGeNohttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
04:34.52ALoGeNo^^
04:35.10sebbswhat resolution screen?
04:35.14sebbsthats what i want
04:35.19ALoGeNohttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
04:35.31ALoGeNohermes is QVGA
04:35.35ALoGeNo320x240
04:35.40ALoGeNokaiser i dunno..
04:35.44sebbs:(
04:35.47ALoGeNoi think the same.
04:35.56sebbswow they are nice
04:36.09sebbsthey are good on the go
04:36.12sebbsnot very big
04:36.13sebbsits good
04:36.15ALoGeNo.Display: 2.8", 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight
04:36.19sebbs:(
04:36.19ALoGeNokaiser..
04:36.24sebbstoo bad
04:36.50sebbswhat about the HP ones?
04:36.56ALoGeNo2.8-inch QVGA screen (flips automatically to landscape mode when opened) 320 x 240 , 65k colour
04:36.59ALoGeNohermes
04:37.06ALoGeNosame screen
04:37.09sebbswonder if there are any HP PDA+gsm that runs linux
04:37.16sebbs320x240 reminds me of quake1
04:37.17sebbs^^
04:37.28ALoGeNoi dunno this machines.. :P
04:37.55ALoGeNoi was have the hp1940
04:38.09ALoGeNobut i sold that to buy the tytn
04:38.19sebbstytn?
04:38.25ALoGeNohtc hermes
04:38.28sebbsoh
04:38.41sebbsyou running linux on it?
04:38.53ALoGeNotytn =htc hermes and tytnII = htc kaiser
04:39.03ALoGeNonono
04:39.11sebbsah ok
04:39.11ALoGeNoin hermes nope..
04:39.40ALoGeNoim running linux in the universal only one..
04:39.49sebbsok
04:40.13ALoGeNoand in the nec mobile pro 900c but it is another history
04:40.26sebbstouch pro has good resolutio
04:40.37ALoGeNoi dunno
04:40.39ALoGeNoHD?
04:40.43ALoGeNotouch pro HD?
04:40.50sebbsHTC Touch Pro
04:40.58sebbsah its the HTC Raphael
04:41.01sebbsit says on wikipedia
04:41.07sebbshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch_Pro
04:41.13sebbsbut i dont think it supports linux :(
04:41.18ALoGeNohtc raphael is touch pro?
04:41.30sebbs"The HTC Touch Pro (also known as the HTC Raphael) is a family of Internet-enabled Windows Mobile Pocket PC smartphones designed and marketed by High Tech Computer Corporation of Taiwan. "
04:41.34sebbslooks like it
04:43.04ALoGeNoyou are in the rigth..
04:43.05ALoGeNohttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond
04:43.21ALoGeNothis is code named VICTOR
04:43.27ALoGeNonot raphael
04:44.01ALoGeNoScreen resolution: 480x640 pixels at 287 ppi, 3:4 aspect ratio
04:44.09ALoGeNothe raphael.. is not bad..
04:44.55ALoGeNobut 2.8"
04:45.14ALoGeNolook at the uni 3.7" VGA Screen (64k-color 640x480 Transflective TFT)
04:45.18ALoGeNo^^
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04:50.05sebbshmm
04:50.20sebbsyeah
04:50.23sebbsdamn
04:50.26sebbsthat screen is big
04:50.28sebbsok
04:50.31sebbsdude you are right
04:50.40sebbsbut its true
04:50.44sebbswithout the wifi it wont work for me
04:50.51sebbsi need wifi
04:51.25sebbswhat is iphones screen
04:51.27sebbsis it good?
04:51.32sebbsi mean resolution
04:51.35sebbsits the same no?
04:51.51sebbsiphone screen == htc universal screen
04:51.53sebbs?
04:53.06sebbsALoGeNo: can you run mplayer on it?
04:53.12sebbswithout it lagging
04:53.14sebbs?
04:54.00ALoGeNoyep in the uni?
04:54.24ALoGeNoyep the uni have 512Mhz procesor..
04:54.24sebbsyea
04:54.31sebbs512 is good
04:54.38ALoGeNoyep
04:54.42sebbsyou can do alot with 512
04:54.51sebbshow about swapping to disk?
04:54.59sebbsi mean when the ram gets full it starts swapping to disk
04:55.00ALoGeNomy laptop is a ibm thinkpad celeron at 500Mhz
04:55.01ALoGeNoXD
04:55.15sebbsmy laptop is a thinkpad too :D
04:55.52ALoGeNowhat you mean with swap?
04:56.13sebbswhen the ram gets full on the phone
04:56.14ALoGeNoif the SD card is quickly the swap is quickly..
04:56.17sebbslinux starts swapping
04:56.27sebbsto disk
04:56.41ALoGeNothe disk is the SD ^^
04:56.44sebbsusually that slows down IO alot
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04:57.10ALoGeNooh.. i dunno enougth obout that i think :P
04:57.10sebbsbecause you are using your application doing things and writing to disk+because the swap is full you are writing to disk
04:57.38sebbsso I/O load gets higher
04:57.39ALoGeNoi feel that the uni runs like a charm ^^
04:57.46sebbsdoes it :)
04:58.00sebbsits the same cpu like openmoko
04:58.12ALoGeNoi was used that without swap, i was discovered that a few weeks a go xD
04:58.52sebbsdoes your ram get full all the time?
04:58.56sebbsdo you get problems from the low ram>?
04:59.07ALoGeNobut the opekmoko phone isnt the same that neorunner???
04:59.20sebbsyes neorunner i mean
04:59.24sebbsopenmoko is the Os i think
04:59.28ALoGeNokk np
04:59.58ALoGeNoim made to work with slow machines..
05:00.09sebbsmy phone now has gps+wifi working
05:00.17ALoGeNoand i dont feel nothing werid in the uni ^^
05:00.27ALoGeNoweird*
05:00.40ALoGeNostrange i mean..
05:01.15sebbsi understand
05:01.22ALoGeNoin my opinion the uni works like a charm at all, less the wifi ^^
05:01.40sebbsim wondering if i would want to change. i will miss gps
05:01.45sebbsgps is great
05:01.49sebbsand fun
05:01.57sebbsgeotagging photos
05:02.09sebbsyou never are lost
05:02.10sebbs:D
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05:02.20ALoGeNoheheh yep
05:02.35ALoGeNoi use external GPS ^^ BT GPS i mean ^^
05:03.00sebbshmm, what kind of external device?
05:03.01sebbshow big?
05:03.32ALoGeNoclip-on fortuna GPS
05:04.18ALoGeNo3cmx3cm and 5 or 6cm long.
05:04.53sebbsdo you have a screenshot/
05:05.36ALoGeNohttp://www.gpspassion.com/pics/bluetooth/clip/clip5.jpg
05:06.02sebbsis it big?
05:06.03ALoGeNohttp://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/fortuna-clip-on/fortuna-clip-on.jpg
05:06.14ALoGeNo5cm
05:06.23sebbshttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2050/1925046421_0a0a638b54.jpg
05:06.26sebbsfrom nokia
05:06.30sebbsthey have one too
05:06.39sebbsthey say its more accurate then the built in ones in phones
05:06.47sebbsi could trade if i was to get one of those
05:06.52ALoGeNowow nice gadget
05:06.53sebbsso gps is not a issue
05:07.08sebbsit uses bluetooth
05:07.18sebbsive not tried it, but i mean it should work on the htc
05:07.18ALoGeNoaha
05:07.31ALoGeNoyep sure...
05:07.57sebbsand i should be able to find gps apps for the uni
05:08.03sebbssince it has debian packages
05:08.10ALoGeNogive me a second... i need cafeine ^^
05:08.15sebbs:)
05:08.19ALoGeNo6:00am here ^^
05:08.19sebbsenjoy
05:08.24sebbswhere are you?
05:08.28ALoGeNospain
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05:08.30sebbsme too
05:08.33sebbshehe
05:08.38ALoGeNoeres español?
05:08.39ALoGeNoXD
05:08.40sebbs<-- barcelona
05:08.43ALoGeNojoder
05:08.44sebbsun pocito
05:08.53ALoGeNoy yo rompiendome los cuernos q no tengo ni zorra de ingles
05:08.53ALoGeNoXD
05:08.54sebbsi am not spanish
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05:08.56sebbs:)
05:09.05sebbscomo es rompiendome
05:09.19sebbsy como es zorra
05:09.21ALoGeNobreaking my self..
05:09.22ALoGeNo?
05:09.28sebbshehe suck at spanish
05:09.37sebbsim still learning
05:09.45ALoGeNoni zorra idea is like no fuck idea..
05:09.53sebbshehe
05:10.20sebbswhy do you say
05:10.21ALoGeNoand rompiendome is breaking me self ^^
05:10.22sebbszorra
05:10.24sebbsfox
05:10.27ALoGeNoyes
05:10.29sebbsi have no fox in english
05:10.33sebbsdoes that mean skill?
05:10.39ALoGeNofox zorra puta bitch ^^
05:10.47sebbshaha
05:10.48sebbszorra == puta?
05:10.52ALoGeNoyes
05:10.53ALoGeNo;D
05:10.57sebbszorra in english is a good thing
05:11.05sebbsif a girl is a fox, its like "wow, a fox"
05:11.07sebbslol
05:11.27ALoGeNoyeah in spanish zorro is a man that know many things..
05:11.42sebbsand what do you mean the horns
05:11.48sebbsyou broke the horns?
05:11.56sebbshaha spanish is such a good language
05:12.04ALoGeNobut a if you say zorra to a woman that means.. bitch
05:12.08sebbsah
05:12.23ALoGeNoyeah
05:12.27ALoGeNobreaking horns..
05:12.28ALoGeNoXD
05:12.32sebbswhat does that mean
05:12.34ALoGeNolike the bulls.. you know?
05:12.35ALoGeNoXd
05:12.36sebbsah
05:13.05sebbshaha damn funny
05:13.06ALoGeNoif you are a bull, you can broke your horns.. with a wall.. by example..
05:13.06ALoGeNoXD
05:13.11sebbsi will tell my brothe rtomorrow
05:13.17sebbsHAHA
05:13.29sebbsah if i break my horns
05:13.34sebbshaha thats great
05:13.36ALoGeNothen we say here.. that we are breaking the horns when we are doing a hard work or so..
05:13.36sebbsi get it now
05:13.37ALoGeNoXd
05:13.47sebbscool, good to know
05:13.51ALoGeNo^^
05:14.33sebbswhat are you doing up this late
05:14.37sebbsor early
05:14.38ALoGeNothat means that im doing a big effort to speak on english ^^
05:14.48ALoGeNoyo me rompo los cuernos hablando ingles..
05:14.49ALoGeNoXD
05:14.49sebbshaha yeah i understand
05:15.03sebbsi appriciate the effort
05:15.10sebbsyou would not understand me if i wrote in spanish
05:15.21ALoGeNois like knok the wall with the head..
05:15.22ALoGeNoXD
05:15.25sebbsi look spanish so people speak spanish to me all the time
05:15.38sebbsbeautiful latina girls speak to me and i dont know wha tto say haha
05:15.48ALoGeNoXD
05:15.51sebbsim learning though everyday
05:15.52sebbs:)
05:16.01ALoGeNothats nice hehe..
05:16.11sebbsi speak 6 languages, so i should learn it in a few years
05:16.22ALoGeNoi learn english to run my fucking acx in the uni XD
05:16.29ALoGeNobut no results.. xD
05:16.36sebbsi know how to say permite fumar una porro
05:16.44ALoGeNojajajajajajajajaajaj
05:16.48ALoGeNohahahahahahah
05:16.49sebbs:D
05:17.00ALoGeNome puedo fumar un porro?
05:17.12ALoGeNote importa si me fumo un porro?¿
05:17.27ALoGeNote molestaria que me fumara un porro..?
05:17.32ALoGeNo:)
05:17.35sebbsah
05:17.50ALoGeNoyo me voy hacer un porro ahora mismo
05:17.51ALoGeNoXD
05:17.54sebbshow do i say
05:17.55sebbs;et us
05:17.56sebbslet us
05:17.58sebbsvamos ?
05:18.00ALoGeNode maria..
05:18.00ALoGeNoXD
05:18.08ALoGeNomeriyein..!
05:18.11ALoGeNomarijuana ^^
05:18.14sebbslets do something
05:18.17sebbshow do you say that
05:18.37ALoGeNolet us?
05:18.40sebbsyes like lets go
05:18.40ALoGeNowhat you mean?
05:18.43sebbsor lets smoke
05:18.46sebbsor lets walk
05:18.46ALoGeNotry to say that on spanish..
05:19.07sebbsits mos i think
05:19.09ALoGeNoah vale..
05:19.10sebbsyou say "mos"
05:19.17ALoGeNovamos..
05:19.18sebbsfumamos
05:19.22ALoGeNosi
05:19.24ALoGeNoXD
05:19.25sebbsbueno :)
05:19.31ALoGeNocome on..
05:19.33sebbsyea
05:19.34ALoGeNoxD
05:19.35sebbshehe
05:19.43ALoGeNovamos a fumarnos un porro
05:19.53ALoGeNoo vamos a fumarnos un canuto
05:19.56sebbscan you say that?
05:20.00ALoGeNoo vamos a fumarnos un peta
05:20.01ALoGeNoXd
05:20.08ALoGeNois the same thing
05:20.24sebbscanuto?
05:20.45sebbshorns?
05:20.47sebbshaha
05:20.57ALoGeNoporro canuto peta mai fly...
05:21.04ALoGeNois the same..
05:21.15sebbscomo es peta?
05:21.31ALoGeNopeta comes from petardo
05:21.51ALoGeNopetardos are the fireworks ^^
05:22.05sebbsexplicar petardo
05:22.06sebbsah
05:22.35sebbsfunny expression
05:22.37sebbshorns
05:22.39sebbsi will remember that
05:22.40ALoGeNoyep
05:22.46sebbsthey say cabron alot too
05:22.46ALoGeNothe french say petard
05:22.47sebbsgoat
05:23.08ALoGeNoyes cabron is like bastard..
05:23.12sebbsyea
05:23.20ALoGeNobut isnt the same thing
05:23.43sebbsmy friend sayd cabron means  "a man whos woman is fucking another man, and he knows about it"
05:23.56ALoGeNothe cabron lets his wife to fuck with th others..
05:23.56ALoGeNoXd
05:24.03sebbsbut if you smile its a good thing
05:24.06ALoGeNoand you know that bastard isnt that..
05:24.09sebbsbut never to say it to a puerto rican
05:24.29ALoGeNoyes
05:24.35sebbsbecause for them its a very abd word and they get reaaaaaaaally pissed
05:24.40sebbs:O
05:24.58ALoGeNobut we say cabron like the man that fuck with many woman and left at next day..
05:25.21sebbsyea
05:25.28ALoGeNois like the most cabron is the most dangerous...
05:25.49sebbsvale :)
05:25.50ALoGeNothe bad guy.. you call they cabron..
05:25.55sebbshaha
05:25.57ALoGeNo;)
05:26.09sebbshttp://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/03/external-gps-vs-internal-gps.html
05:26.25sebbswhats the battery time on the uni
05:26.31ALoGeNobut you can say that only to your bros becose another can think bad about...
05:26.35sebbsrunning linux
05:26.45sebbsyea
05:27.07ALoGeNoi have the 4800mha
05:27.20ALoGeNoand i have that 8h or so..
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05:27.38sebbsrunning what?
05:27.51sebbsare you using cpufreq etc?
05:27.59ALoGeNowifi
05:28.11sebbsthats good
05:28.14ALoGeNothe cpu freq is allwais the same in linux
05:28.24sebbsso you are not scaling it
05:28.32ALoGeNonot now in linux
05:28.41ALoGeNo(i think)
05:28.42sebbsso you could get alot better battery time
05:28.57ALoGeNoyeah more than a laptop
05:29.07ALoGeNomuch more..
05:29.13sebbswhat about without wifi
05:29.16sebbsdoes it work long
05:29.17sebbs?
05:29.18ALoGeNolet me take a cofee..
05:29.21sebbssure
05:29.23sebbsenjoy
05:29.32ALoGeNoback in 2 min
05:29.39sebbscool
05:34.26ALoGeNohey sebbs
05:34.35ALoGeNoyou said that you are in barcelona?
05:35.12sebbsyea
05:36.03ALoGeNoworking?
05:36.14ALoGeNobut you are fomr the states? or what?
05:36.18ALoGeNofrom*
05:36.30sebbsnaw not the states
05:36.41sebbsi used to live in london before i came here
05:36.51sebbsim born in scandinavia though
05:37.12sebbsmy dad is indian, so thats why i speak english
05:38.19ALoGeNooh that is nice ^^
05:38.29ALoGeNoindian from india i supose ^^
05:38.34sebbsyes
05:38.42ALoGeNothat is nice :)
05:38.48sebbsmy mother is finnish
05:38.57ALoGeNocool
05:39.01sebbsbut i was raised in sweden
05:39.15sebbsthen moved to london, then to ireland, and from there i came here
05:39.18sebbsneeded sun ^^
05:39.19ALoGeNowow.. nice history ^^^
05:39.52sebbsand now im looking for a phone hehe
05:40.04ALoGeNoim from here from castilla la mancha
05:40.24sebbsi work from home as a sysadmin/system architect so i need a machine i can ssh from, and code on at times
05:40.31sebbsah castilla la mancha
05:40.43ALoGeNois at rigth of comunidad madrileña ^^
05:40.59ALoGeNocomunidad de madrid **
05:41.05sebbsleft from valencia i think
05:41.09sebbsiirc
05:41.13ALoGeNoyep exactly
05:41.18sebbs:)
05:41.22ALoGeNo:)
05:41.36sebbsive not been anywhere but barcelona
05:41.42sebbsim gonna travel more next year
05:41.48sebbstoo much work this year
05:41.53ALoGeNobarcelona city or provincia?
05:41.56sebbscity
05:42.00sebbspoble sec
05:42.02sebbsatm
05:42.10ALoGeNopoble sec?
05:42.11sebbslived in barrio gothico before
05:42.16ALoGeNoah okey
05:42.18sebbsi like barcelona alot
05:42.25sebbsbut too much turists
05:42.27sebbs^^
05:42.28ALoGeNoyeah is nice
05:42.53ALoGeNoall is full of turistas and no tan turistas.. ( i mean inmigrants hehe)
05:43.26sebbswhere did you find that phone for 150?
05:43.34ALoGeNoall of us are turistas in the world ^^
05:43.39sebbsvery true
05:43.45sebbswe are all nomads
05:43.50sebbsmost of us at least
05:43.51ALoGeNoexactly ^^
05:43.59ALoGeNoon ebay
05:44.05sebbsspanish ebay?
05:44.10ALoGeNoyes
05:44.15sebbscool
05:44.24ALoGeNomaybe more cheaper..
05:44.33ALoGeNoif you look for europe..
05:44.54ALoGeNomaybe 100€
05:45.09ALoGeNo120€...
05:45.21sebbsit would be cool to buy it, get a big flashdisk, add RAM and get a new battery
05:45.27sebbsbut i wonder how much that would cost
05:45.38sebbsi would use that machine for like 10 years
05:45.43sebbsif it ran linux
05:46.20ALoGeNo^^
05:46.27sebbshttp://cgi.ebay.es/Qtek-9000-Grundig-GR980-Htc-Universal-estropeada_W0QQitemZ180310954909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_186?hash=item180310954909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A895|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
05:46.39sebbsoh and i will have to buy a gps dongle too
05:46.46sebbsits alot of stuff to buy extra :(
05:47.06sebbs"bateria original, bateria de ampliación de 3000"
05:47.39ALoGeNo"estropeada"
05:47.52sebbsseems byea
05:47.54sebbsyea
05:48.14ALoGeNoestropeada is broke
05:48.25sebbsi thought roto was broke
05:48.48ALoGeNodont chager over USB you need charge with external garger.., USB not work at all..
05:48.59sebbsah :( thats not good
05:49.01ALoGeNocharger*
05:49.06sebbscan you charge over usb and use it the same time?
05:49.12ALoGeNoyes
05:49.14sebbs:D
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05:50.05ALoGeNobut theys recomends to charge that with the own charger becose is more powerfull and is much better to the battery..
05:50.41ALoGeNobut yes.. you can
05:51.40sebbsthats good
05:56.42ALoGeNois more spensive the universal now
05:56.42ALoGeNoXD
05:57.09ALoGeNothis is for the xda-forum ^^
05:58.20ALoGeNoppl knows that you can put linux in that, and give up the prices..
05:58.42ALoGeNosubir los precios is getting up the prices no?
05:58.53sebbsyes
05:58.56sebbsit is :)
05:59.04ALoGeNoppl knows that you can put linux in that, and getting* up the prices..
05:59.05ALoGeNoxD
05:59.09sebbsim trying to find the phone but as you say its more expensive now
05:59.16sebbsi would buy it ready modded though
05:59.18ALoGeNosip
05:59.25sebbsif it had the ram etc
05:59.37sebbsyea
05:59.54ALoGeNoi dont think that you can find some uni modded ^^
06:00.12sebbsnobody would sell it
06:00.45ALoGeNothe ppl that have that with 128MB knows that they have in his hands ^^
06:01.40ALoGeNoand shimomura now a few moth back was compiled a new kernel with 128MB support becose him was updated his uni ^^
06:02.07sebbsthats cool
06:02.08sebbs:)
06:02.25ALoGeNothis guy http://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal
06:02.53ALoGeNothis is the main source of info for the uni and debian..
06:03.07sebbsah yea
06:03.08ALoGeNoand later titchy webpage..
06:03.47ALoGeNobut this guy did a nice work with debian and uni..
06:04.25ALoGeNonow we need new kernel
06:05.01sebbshow often do new versions of the kernel come ?
06:05.31ALoGeNocomo?
06:05.49ALoGeNooften?
06:05.56ALoGeNowhat you mean?
06:05.57ALoGeNoXd
06:06.45sebbsoh now i see what you mean
06:06.48sebbsi missunderstood
06:07.05ALoGeNomix the maria with the tobacco...
06:07.19sebbs^^
06:07.28ALoGeNooki
06:07.32sebbssin tobbacco
06:07.42sebbssolo maria
06:07.44ALoGeNonopes im poor
06:07.49sebbsaww :(
06:08.21sebbslas semillas crecen
06:08.27ALoGeNoand if you smoke marihuana only, you cant do anything more
06:08.28ALoGeNoXD
06:08.52sebbs:D yea you start chatting with people on freenode
06:09.00sebbsand forget what you where supposed to do
06:09.02sebbs^^
06:09.17ALoGeNohere we do the joints like the hachis joints.. with tobacco
06:10.02sebbsel tabaco es peligroso
06:10.12sebbsis it peligroso?
06:10.15sebbsdangerous
06:10.16ALoGeNo6le pasa el1 <¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯4))º²º²°` 6a12 sebbs 6pa ke le de una kaladilla
06:10.22ALoGeNoxDDD
06:10.23sebbshaha
06:10.28ALoGeNosi
06:10.29sebbsLOL
06:10.31ALoGeNopeligroso
06:10.33ALoGeNo^^
06:10.45sebbsnow i gotta roll one
06:10.50sebbsam starting work at 12
06:10.54ALoGeNomr too
06:11.06ALoGeNome*
06:11.07sebbsmuy frio out
06:11.18ALoGeNorolling not work at 12 ^^
06:11.25sebbshehe
06:11.30ALoGeNoyep hace mucho frio
06:11.51sebbsis it muy or mucho
06:11.54ALoGeNohace mucho frio fuera
06:12.15ALoGeNomucho
06:12.28sebbshace?
06:13.05ALoGeNosi
06:13.15sebbscomo es hace
06:13.36ALoGeNovosotros decis...
06:13.44ALoGeNoesta muy frio fuera..
06:13.59sebbsah si vale
06:14.01ALoGeNonosotros decimos esta haciendo mucho frio fuera..
06:14.21ALoGeNopero en vez de esta haciendo que es un verbo compuesto usamos un verbo simple..
06:14.28ALoGeNohace
06:14.29sebbsy tu decis mucho
06:14.36ALoGeNosi
06:15.01sebbsah
06:15.16sebbsim using my dictionary everytime i dont know a word
06:15.35ALoGeNoesta haciendo = en este momento hace
06:15.47ALoGeNopero solo decimos hace mucho frio..
06:15.58ALoGeNoy no en este momento esta haciendo
06:16.37ALoGeNoi havent superior school..
06:16.38ALoGeNoXD
06:16.45sebbsi fot it
06:16.47sebbsgot
06:16.54sebbsi have not either
06:16.56ALoGeNoi was lear english by my self..
06:17.06sebbsand i am learning spanish myself too
06:17.13ALoGeNonice ^^
06:17.15sebbsi took spanish in school
06:17.23sebbsbut i smoked too much porro :P
06:17.24ALoGeNome french
06:17.24ALoGeNoXD
06:17.31sebbs^^
06:17.36sebbshere they speak catalan
06:17.43ALoGeNoyes me smoke a lot too ^^
06:17.44sebbseveyrthing is catalan
06:17.56ALoGeNobut later with 17 years old..
06:18.06sebbswith?
06:18.10sebbswhen
06:18.19ALoGeNoand my phater left me of school with 13 years old..
06:18.29ALoGeNofather^
06:18.54ALoGeNonow im 37 years old ^^
06:19.01sebbs^^
06:19.23sebbstime goes quickly
06:19.26ALoGeNobut never is later to learn ^^
06:19.28sebbsflysby
06:19.33sebbsvery true
06:20.06sebbsdamn its cold out
06:20.12ALoGeNoyep..
06:20.43sebbsim gonna think about the uni since the wifi is not working
06:20.45ALoGeNo3º
06:21.00sebbsthats cold
06:21.06ALoGeNodont get the uni becose still without end..
06:21.17sebbsyea
06:21.23sebbsi will keep a eye on it
06:21.25ALoGeNobut the problem is.. then.. what..?
06:21.52sebbsim gonna have to create a python script for exporting my stuff from my n95
06:21.58ALoGeNoim dream with G1 but very spensive
06:21.59sebbstill i get a new phone
06:22.14sebbsbut it uses a locked down version of android
06:22.21sebbsyou dont have root on the system
06:22.29ALoGeNoand with that you say of the hack method by now dont cool..
06:22.45sebbsbut it was a security flaw in one version of the firmware
06:22.51sebbsit has been updated now and the hole is secure
06:22.52sebbs:(
06:23.10ALoGeNofucking google..
06:23.14ALoGeNonp..
06:23.58sebbshttp://hackaday.com/2008/11/11/running-debian-and-android-on-the-g1/
06:24.05ALoGeNoyou will see that, when google beging to see that if the ppl cant hack the phone dont buy nothing..
06:24.31ALoGeNoyou will see how theys do something wrong to can hack it..
06:24.36ALoGeNolike the iphone..
06:24.38ALoGeNoXD
06:24.40sebbshaha you can get root access through telnet
06:24.58sebbsiphone will run linux soon
06:25.03sebbsthey are working on it
06:25.03ALoGeNoand you have the kernel source over there..
06:25.11sebbsi would buy the iphone if i ran only linux on it
06:25.13ALoGeNoyep..
06:25.17sebbsbut no qwerty
06:25.21ALoGeNonop
06:25.22sebbsi dont like touchscreens
06:25.27ALoGeNoand marvell of the shit..
06:25.28ALoGeNoXD
06:25.42sebbsi have a x61 tablet and i dont use the screen so much
06:25.45sebbskeyboard is alot better
06:25.49ALoGeNothe wifi chipset is a marvell like the psp and ps3..
06:25.51sebbsi dont like guy
06:25.53sebbsgui
06:25.57ALoGeNodont support mode monitor..
06:26.55ALoGeNothe iphone/ipod touch is nice.. but the querty is a important part of the game ^^
06:26.55sebbsi would get the g1 if it ran debian
06:26.58sebbsi mean for real
06:27.03sebbsnot r00ted
06:27.16ALoGeNoyes.. me too..
06:27.21sebbsspecially when writing long stuff
06:27.31ALoGeNobut only if that cost that they say..
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06:27.35ALoGeNo120€
06:27.36ALoGeNoXD
06:27.49sebbsi use my phone at work, like if i go out and am at a resturant i can use their wifi and check my email
06:28.04sebbsjust download the headers to see if thre is anything important happening
06:28.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 4900 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder>
06:28.06cdbot2* * efreet-0.5.0.043+svnr37395-autobuild
06:28.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4900
06:29.04ALoGeNocheck my unis mod
06:29.05ALoGeNo^^
06:29.05ALoGeNohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/30871603@N06/sets/72157607495014144/detail/
06:29.44ALoGeNoand is very very easy to do ^^
06:29.56sebbshaha antenna?
06:30.01ALoGeNoyep
06:30.11ALoGeNoexternal antenna
06:30.13ALoGeNo^^
06:30.13sebbsfor the wifi or what?
06:30.19ALoGeNoyep
06:30.23sebbssweet
06:30.29sebbsyour running windows though
06:30.35ALoGeNoyep
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06:30.42sebbswhy
06:30.56ALoGeNobecose i cant do the test with a wifi that not work at all in linus
06:30.59ALoGeNolinux^
06:31.14sebbsoh at all
06:31.29sebbsi thought you said it went up and down
06:31.50sebbsor that you fixed it by using the command ifup and down
06:31.55sebbsresetting it
06:32.04ALoGeNothis videos are of my uni
06:32.04ALoGeNohttp://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&resnum=0&q=debian%20htc%20universal&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
06:32.05sebbsdude i am baked
06:32.13sebbshehe u love your uni
06:32.32ALoGeNothis 2 videos are the uni with debian,..
06:32.41ALoGeNomy uni
06:32.41ALoGeNoXD
06:32.49ALoGeNoand my crapped videos x
06:32.50ALoGeNoXD
06:32.57sebbswow dude
06:33.00sebbsthats cool
06:33.09ALoGeNoyep i told you ^^
06:33.22sebbsshit
06:33.30sebbsits quick too
06:33.33ALoGeNobut im bored with the acx :/
06:33.35sebbsX just flashed up
06:33.55sebbsits quick
06:33.59ALoGeNoyes
06:34.09ALoGeNoimagine that with 128MB
06:34.27sebbsyou could run mutt on it without any problems at all
06:34.30sebbs:D :D
06:34.34ALoGeNomutt?
06:34.38sebbsemailclient
06:34.41ALoGeNoi can find that in atp?
06:34.43ALoGeNoXD
06:34.49ALoGeNoapt*
06:35.11sebbshttp://wiki.mutt.org/?back=/ScreenShots
06:35.14sebbsyea
06:35.15ALoGeNoif it is in the apt repo it can run it..
06:35.20sebbstextbased
06:35.23sebbsand terminator
06:35.28sebbsand wyrd
06:35.33ALoGeNo:)
06:35.42sebbsand kismet
06:35.46sebbsman you can do aloot
06:35.54sebbssuch a great phone
06:35.55ALoGeNoi was run the apache in the uni..
06:36.15sebbsit should work ok
06:36.21ALoGeNoyes kismet works like a charm..
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06:36.27sebbs500mhz+128 ram is well enough
06:36.29ALoGeNobut wifi hangs ^^
06:36.32sebbsyea
06:36.35ALoGeNosi
06:36.45ALoGeNocon 128MB de puta madre ;D
06:36.48sebbswhy not use the old kernel till they fix it
06:36.52sebbshah si
06:37.00ALoGeNono..
06:37.11ALoGeNoi was tryed aaaaaaaaaaaall the things...
06:37.15ALoGeNoand nothings..
06:37.21ALoGeNonothing*
06:37.39sebbsyour apt-geting on the phone
06:38.00ALoGeNoi was try the 2.6.16 and nothing..
06:38.03ALoGeNoa little more stable but not much
06:38.11ALoGeNoyesyes..
06:38.23ALoGeNoi was install lenny and later was upgraded by apt to sid ^^
06:38.34sebbscool
06:38.39ALoGeNosure..
06:38.54sebbslooks like a really neat phone
06:39.12ALoGeNobut i was have to stay all the time looking for the wifi works.. and when it hang ifdown and ifup..
06:39.29ALoGeNoit is..
06:39.36sebbshow does it hang?
06:39.41sebbswhat does dmsg say?
06:39.46sebbsand syslog
06:40.00ALoGeNothe wifi begging to show a lot of debug text in console..
06:40.09ALoGeNoand lost the conection...
06:40.22ALoGeNothen you must ifdown..
06:40.36ALoGeNoifup.. and the wifi works a little more time...
06:40.57ALoGeNoand at this way all the time..
06:41.03sebbsah :(
06:41.08ALoGeNoyep..
06:41.12ALoGeNobored
06:41.23sebbsperhaps there are module options you could try out
06:41.29sebbssome parameters
06:41.30ALoGeNonope
06:41.40ALoGeNonothing to do..
06:41.51sebbscant compile a old module that worked when you got your phone?
06:42.32ALoGeNowe need solve that issues retouching the module in the kernel source or new kernel and new source...
06:43.03ALoGeNoand the old kernel is stooped.. becose the new ones have many changes..
06:43.03sebbswhat changes have been made i mean
06:43.14ALoGeNoand ppl is working in the news ones..
06:43.22sebbsdiff those changes and see what has happend
06:43.35sebbsi dont know anything about modules so i cant help out
06:43.37ALoGeNohum...
06:43.41ALoGeNomany changes..
06:43.42sebbsand all that is coded in C or soething
06:44.10sebbsi dont know C, or i do, but so little its embaressing
06:44.21ALoGeNoi dunno exactly what.. , but looking in the repos and apply patches i saw that are many many changes..
06:45.01sebbshttp://hackaday.com/2008/11/05/getting-root-on-the-g1/#comments
06:45.02ALoGeNoand cr2 and tmz and dcordes (ppl in #htc-linux) told me that.. when i speask about..
06:45.07sebbsread the bottom 2 comment
06:45.24sebbsthats how its gonna be on the G1
06:45.29ALoGeNovoy..
06:45.35sebbsalways waiting for someone to hack the firmware
06:45.43sebbsand its gonna be really easy
06:45.49sebbscos eveyr update fixes a security hole
06:45.53sebbsand that is always documented
06:46.05sebbsits just a matter of looking at the changelog and using those errors :)
06:46.13ALoGeNothe 2 last comments?
06:46.24sebbsPosted at 2:03 pm on Nov 23rd, 2008 by haNk
06:46.26sebbsyes
06:46.28sebbsat the bottom
06:46.43ALoGeNobottom abajo.. oki ^^
06:46.48sebbsah yeah
06:46.50sebbsabajo
06:47.00ALoGeNotop and bottom ^^
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06:47.01ALoGeNoXD
06:47.06sebbsand ariba is up
06:47.09sebbsno?
06:47.09ALoGeNosisi
06:47.10ALoGeNoxD
06:47.12sebbsor is that higher?
06:47.12ALoGeNooki
06:47.24ALoGeNoarriba is up..
06:47.28sebbscool
06:47.32ALoGeNoat top
06:47.58ALoGeNoat top i think that is en lo alto, en la cima arriba del todo, en lo mas alto
06:48.38ALoGeNoat the top of himalaya?
06:48.40ALoGeNoxD
06:48.42ALoGeNono?
06:48.43ALoGeNoXD
06:48.47ALoGeNoor what?
06:49.15sebbsdid you see the last 2 comments
06:49.19sebbsin that link i sent?
06:49.22sebbsat the bottom
06:49.23sebbsabajo
06:49.46sebbsyoucan install a old firmware (the hacked one) and run it
06:49.51sebbsget root
06:49.55ALoGeNohehe yep
06:50.30ALoGeNois like the iphone.. and the fonera..
06:50.30sebbshow expensive is the g1 here in spain?
06:50.40ALoGeNobut fonera have ssh
06:51.17ALoGeNoi was listern that 120€ con contrato.. (how is contrato on english?)
06:51.33sebbswith a contract
06:51.44ALoGeNoyep maybe..
06:51.47sebbsbut its not called a contract in english
06:51.52sebbsits called a carrier i think
06:52.03ALoGeNocarrier okey..
06:52.05sebbsa phone carrier == vodaphone etc
06:52.14ALoGeNothe fucking paper that you sign...
06:52.15ALoGeNoXDDDD
06:52.17sebbshow much is it without
06:52.23sebbsthe paper is a contract
06:52.27sebbs"contract" in english
06:52.31ALoGeNoyes..
06:52.46ALoGeNothen with contract 120€
06:52.57sebbshow much is just the phone
06:53.08ALoGeNowithout maybe like in the other places 500€
06:53.15sebbsshit
06:53.23ALoGeNoyep
06:53.29sebbsare the contracts good here in spain?
06:53.37sebbsin england they are horrible
06:53.42sebbsexpensive
06:53.50ALoGeNothey wants tobe the enemies of iphone but without lost money
06:53.50ALoGeNoXD
06:53.55ALoGeNofucking bastards..
06:53.56ALoGeNoXd
06:54.13sebbsyea hehe
06:54.43ALoGeNohere more spensive i think i dunno how is in uk but here are a crew of stolers
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06:55.20ALoGeNoif you want use 3G forget that..
06:55.20ALoGeNoXD
06:55.44ALoGeNowell if you only go to download email with plain txt... its ok..
06:56.12ALoGeNobut dont think in suft the wole www xD
06:56.24sebbsi dont really use 3g
06:56.29ALoGeNobecose you can get a pain head?
06:56.38ALoGeNoits okey pain head?
06:56.39ALoGeNoXD
06:57.07ALoGeNois much better take the open wifis or so ^^
06:57.26sebbsyea
06:57.30sebbsi never use 3g
06:57.36sebbstoo expensive
06:57.39sebbswifi is alot better
06:57.59sebbsand on a debian phone i can install a mailserver which would queue up emails
06:58.07sebbsand then send them when i get on a wifi net
06:58.12sebbsautomagically
06:58.39ALoGeNothe thing is that you go sign a contract that say that you must to pay a money all the moths calling or not...
06:58.52sebbsyes thats why i dont want that, i want just the phone
06:59.12ALoGeNosi
06:59.19ALoGeNoese es el tema ^^
06:59.34ALoGeNothis is the thing..
06:59.38ALoGeNoesa es la cosa..
06:59.42ALoGeNoXD
07:00.09sebbshttp://www.saurik.com/id/10
07:00.10ALoGeNoespera q aver si lo entiendes..
07:00.12sebbsthis is a good article
07:00.19ALoGeNoespera q a ver si lo entiendes..*
07:00.29sebbsits by the guy who hacked the phone
07:00.52sebbsi think
07:01.42ALoGeNocuando firmas el contrato, tienes que pagar una cantidad de dinero fija todos los meses, entonces si el contrato es por 2 años.., y pagas 40€ fijos al mes.., en 2 años son mas de 800€
07:02.02ALoGeNo40€ calling or not..
07:02.21ALoGeNoentiendes?
07:02.30ALoGeNoyou understand?
07:02.58sebbssi
07:03.01sebbs<PROTECTED>
07:03.28ALoGeNoif you pay 20€ moth.. more than 400€ by the G1
07:03.59ALoGeNolater how much pay by the minuts and so..
07:04.07ALoGeNominutes*
07:04.32sebbsusing cash simcards here in spain is very expensive
07:04.51sebbsi mean if i call someone its very expensive
07:04.52ALoGeNoi dunno but you have somethink similar with iphone and telefonica mobistar..
07:05.10ALoGeNomaybe you know this offer..
07:05.18ALoGeNoesa oferta
07:05.29ALoGeNothis offert?
07:05.30ALoGeNoXD
07:05.35sebbsyes i think so
07:05.40sebbsits offert in swedish anyway
07:05.40ALoGeNooki
07:05.43sebbs:)
07:05.57sebbs"en offert" == "una offerta"
07:06.02ALoGeNoeconomical language is a international language..
07:06.06ALoGeNoonly money..
07:06.07ALoGeNoXd
07:06.51ALoGeNolet me che the iphone offert for that you check it..
07:07.24sebbsi dont like the iphone though
07:07.31sebbsdo you?
07:08.48ALoGeNo39€
07:08.50ALoGeNomoth
07:08.51ALoGeNoXD
07:08.54ALoGeNowait..
07:09.06ALoGeNothis is a spanish flash
07:09.19ALoGeNoletme check somethink on english
07:09.30ALoGeNosomething*
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07:11.43ALoGeNonopes on english show belgium..
07:12.01ALoGeNohttp://www.iphone.movistar.es/
07:12.18ALoGeNothis is the offerts that you go get here..
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07:12.54sebbsiphones are bad though
07:12.56ALoGeNoand the G1 i think that will have the sames prices..
07:13.01sebbsah ok
07:13.26ALoGeNolike the n95 at the beggining..
07:13.37sebbsproblem with the G1 is the firmware needing to be hackable
07:13.48ALoGeNoaham..
07:14.03ALoGeNoyes i show that,..
07:14.04sebbsi think im just gonna code my own scripts for the n95 i have and wait for new mobiles to come on the market
07:14.09ALoGeNosaw*
07:14.21sebbsi guess this is not a good time to buy a all linux phone yet
07:14.35ALoGeNonope
07:14.36ALoGeNoXD
07:15.33ALoGeNobecose if we need to hack the phone, and later get the GPIOS and all the info testing in the riped chips.. bad thing..
07:15.45ALoGeNothat need a lot of time..
07:16.03ALoGeNoand ppl that begging and end the work.... and for free...
07:16.09ALoGeNoand ppl need money..
07:17.52ALoGeNoor you have the machine.., you know code in C, and you do your own work... or dont know what will happend with your machine..
07:19.46ALoGeNoyou can get somthing with linux.. like eeepc or some umpc that comes with ubuntu or whaterver linux
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07:21.40sebbsALoGeNo: yeah i have a x61t
07:21.44sebbsits kinda small
07:21.45sebbs14''
07:21.51sebbsor was it 13
07:21.51ALoGeNobut buy some not native linux machine and hope for a linux distro full working.. maybe now.. is the beggimimg of that time.. becose more ppl is involved with linux in pdas but idunno..
07:21.53sebbsi forget
07:22.26sebbsi think i will wait for the GTA03 phone
07:22.34sebbsand get that and just live without qwerty
07:22.38sebbsit has a stylus
07:22.39ALoGeNoi need someone of that eeepc or so.. to work too.. but im too poor for 400€
07:22.40ALoGeNoxD
07:22.50sebbsis it 400
07:22.54sebbsthats mcuh
07:22.58sebbsbuy it from america
07:23.01sebbsorder it from there
07:23.04sebbsits alot cheaper
07:23.11sebbsspecially how with the economy
07:23.19ALoGeNobut the shipping is a lot spensive too
07:23.21ALoGeNoXd
07:24.12ALoGeNoi was saw prices in ebay and still a lot spensive.. becose theys are fashion now (esta de moda como decimos aqui)
07:25.01sebbsi ordered my x61 from america
07:25.02ALoGeNolos eeepc y umpc estan de moda..
07:25.10ALoGeNohow much?
07:25.24sebbshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9b9dsnTMAg
07:25.35sebbs1000 euro i think
07:25.45sebbsit was when it was new
07:25.51sebbsand it has dual processors
07:25.56sebbs4 gig ram
07:25.57sebbsetc
07:26.22sebbsthat one is with the big battery
07:26.27ALoGeNowow
07:26.42ALoGeNonice machien..
07:26.49ALoGeNomachine*
07:26.50sebbsyes it is very nice
07:26.58ALoGeNo1000€ arrrrrrrrrrr
07:26.59ALoGeNoXd
07:27.05sebbsand i have 4 years full warrenty
07:27.08sebbs3 years left
07:27.22sebbsi sent it in for reperation 4 times last year
07:27.26sebbsalready paid itself off :D
07:27.49ALoGeNoi need something around 200€ and if the bussines goes fine then buy something more spensive..
07:28.08sebbsyes i bought mine cos it was my first good salery
07:28.14sebbsi saved money and bought it
07:28.24sebbsmy previous laptop got stolen
07:28.25ALoGeNohehehe
07:28.35ALoGeNome too
07:28.35ALoGeNoxD
07:28.41sebbsand at that time i neeed a laptop very much, and i lost all my stuff on it
07:28.44sebbsi had alot on it
07:28.55sebbsi saw the puta who stole it get beaten though
07:28.57sebbson the street
07:29.16ALoGeNoyeah having work.. you can get it.. and working with that much more..
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07:29.18sebbsshe had broken into a few appartments and when i came home from work the day after another lady was kicker her yelling at her
07:29.34sebbscos she had stolen her stuff too
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07:30.07ALoGeNopffffffff
07:30.08ALoGeNoXD
07:30.13sebbsiiphone is hacked
07:30.17ALoGeNohahahah
07:30.57ALoGeNoiphone is hacked? what¿?
07:31.45sebbshey i got my symbian sync script working
07:31.47sebbsmohaaha
07:31.55ALoGeNoxD
07:32.24ALoGeNohey n95 has acelerometter?
07:32.40sebbsits slow though takes about 2 minutes to update my syncs
07:32.42sebbsyes it has
07:32.55sebbsbut you cant really use it
07:32.59sebbsits of no real use
07:33.00sebbsits cool
07:33.03sebbsbut not functional
07:33.18ALoGeNobut what the fuck use the acelerometer becose i saw one the other day and nothing..
07:33.22ALoGeNoxDDD
07:33.28ALoGeNofucking nokia..
07:33.35sebbsah
07:33.41sebbsit was not intended for use though
07:33.41ALoGeNobut what are thinking the ppl man?
07:33.45sebbsits for the camera
07:33.56sebbsn95 has a 5mpx carl zeiss camera
07:33.56ALoGeNoonly for the camera?
07:34.04sebbsso it uses it to stabilze the image
07:34.09ALoGeNoohhh
07:34.11ALoGeNopffffff
07:34.12sebbsits VERy accurate
07:34.19sebbsi mean its _good_
07:34.20ALoGeNomadre mia..
07:34.34sebbsi can sit in a car and take photos
07:34.34ALoGeNomama mia..
07:34.48sebbsvery good media phone
07:34.53sebbsbut the new one is waaaaaaaaaay better
07:34.55sebbsn97
07:35.04sebbsthat one is the puppys nuts
07:35.16ALoGeNoyes yes this is a good phone and the camera optica zeis es la ostia ^^
07:35.18sebbscojones de perro
07:35.27sebbsperrita
07:35.34ALoGeNoxD
07:35.34sebbsor perrito
07:35.35sebbsi mean
07:35.41sebbscojones de perrito
07:35.44ALoGeNowe say cojones de lorito..
07:35.45ALoGeNoXD
07:35.47sebbspuppy
07:35.53sebbswhats a lorito
07:35.59ALoGeNoparrot..^
07:36.00ALoGeNoXD
07:36.02sebbshaha
07:36.06sebbswtf
07:36.17sebbsim gonna say that to my bro
07:36.21ALoGeNobut tiny parrot.. = lorito..
07:36.44ALoGeNoparrot = loro , tiny parrot = lorito
07:37.00sebbs2 days ago
07:37.04sebbsiphone got hacked
07:37.05sebbshttp://www.tomsguide.com/us/iPhone-3G-Apple-linux-jailbreak,news-3061.html
07:37.08sebbs^^
07:37.10sebbsruns linux
07:37.59ALoGeNooh i was thinked that you know it that...
07:38.21ALoGeNoi know that from the weekend
07:38.21ALoGeNoXD
07:38.25sebbsi wonder how open it is
07:38.43sebbsi mean can you remove iphones software and only run linux on it?
07:38.46sebbsthat would be cool :D
07:39.06ALoGeNoi was read that gives some isues qith install and restore
07:39.29ALoGeNobut now the man was relased a new installer and patch..
07:39.35ALoGeNofor uninstall
07:39.58ALoGeNoyep.., but marvell cant get mode monitor
07:39.59ALoGeNoXD
07:40.10sebbsits a matter of time though
07:40.19sebbsbut i mean the iphone hardware wise is not very good
07:40.23sebbsit has no keyboard
07:40.25sebbsat all
07:40.31sebbstouchscreens are not very accurate
07:40.54ALoGeNosure.. you lost the wole screem with keyb..
07:41.34ALoGeNoand iphone screen dont work with pen, you need use the fingers dont work with other thing..
07:41.34ALoGeNoXD
07:41.43ALoGeNo(this is a little crap..)
07:43.17ALoGeNoyesterday i was used my itouch with the globes and fuck .. dont work.. and in the street at -2ºC isnt cool rip out your globes.. to puch the iphone..
07:43.17ALoGeNoXD
07:44.01ALoGeNoipod*
07:46.21sebbsthats bad
07:47.18sebbsi think im gonna wait for either the g1 to open
07:47.25sebbsor for something else to come along
07:47.30sebbsits shit though
07:47.39sebbsis should really not be that hard
07:47.50sebbsi mean i could make a phone better then everyphone on the market
07:48.01sebbsmake a 100% openphone like the openmoko
07:48.08sebbsbut i mean shit
07:48.16sebbsi could always use a BT keyboard
07:48.25ALoGeNo^^
07:48.30sebbsthe resolution is good on the phone
07:48.34sebbsopenmoko i mean
07:48.37sebbsand it has gps
07:48.39ALoGeNoyep
07:48.43sebbsjust the camera missing
07:48.48sebbsGTA03 will have one
07:48.59ALoGeNoneorunner has 800x600?
07:48.59sebbsso i figure i could wait for that and keep using my n95
07:49.02sebbsno
07:49.18ALoGeNojumm..
07:50.28sebbsDisplay 2.8 in. VGA (480×640) TFT, 282 pixels/in.
07:50.32sebbsgood enough
07:50.41sebbs2.8 is not good good but ok
07:50.59sebbsbattery is really bad though
07:52.57sebbstime for me to sleep a few hours
07:52.58sebbsthen work
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07:57.45methrilmorning
07:59.17ALoGeNomorning methril
07:59.30ALoGeNohey sebbs nice to meet you..
07:59.43ALoGeNosee you later i hope ^^
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09:32.56BlindManmorning
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09:37.17woglindehi blinder
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09:39.22BlindMansers woglinde :)
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09:57.52gerwininlo
09:58.01woglindehi gerwini
09:58.17gerwininHey woglinde :)
09:58.26gerwininwoglinde you are going to fosdem this year ?
10:03.12woglindegerwini I do not think so
10:03.29woglindehave to finish my colleauge
10:07.18BlindManwoglinde: your colleage? :) shall I call the police in advance to handcuff you right away? ;)
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10:15.40pb__hi blindman, woglinde
10:20.16woglindemorning pb
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10:22.38Jin^eLDmorning guys
10:24.36woglindehi jineld
10:24.49Jin^eLDhi woglinde
10:25.19BlindMansers jin
10:25.49Jin^eLDBlindMan: your name sounds familiar... :)
10:25.57Jin^eLDwhere do I know you from?
10:25.58BlindManJin^eLD: yeah, blinder in ircnet
10:26.05Jin^eLDaah, hehe
10:26.06Jin^eLDsers
10:26.08BlindManJin^eLD: fachschaft informatik? sid/faz/etc? :)
10:26.13Jin^eLDbeen quie a while ;)
10:26.17Jin^eLDs/quie/quite/
10:26.19BlindManyep, definately :)
10:29.56floriangood morning
10:31.12Jin^eLDhi florian
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10:32.47woglindehi robert
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11:00.21woglindehi zecke
11:01.09zeckeho
11:17.00zeckewoglinde: are you at home or at work?
11:17.07woglindeat work
11:19.22CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r50a6645954 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime.bbclass: check whether update-mime-database is executable before trying to call it and move prerm to postrm
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11:30.26zeckehttp://blogs.sun.com/GeorgeTrujillo/entry/advantages_of_solaris_and_opensolaris haha
11:39.47florianzecke: hehe
11:43.01florianzecke: maybe they want to donate an opensolaris bb ;)
11:44.27pb__hail zecke
11:44.28pb__hi florian
11:44.34zeckeAh Linux has difficulties with SMP... I kid you not... linux1.2 was pretty bad with SMP...
11:44.50zeckeoh and linux 2.6 runs on 4096 CPU SGI machines...
11:44.53florianhey pb__
11:44.55zecke*morons* at sun
11:48.25slapinhi, all!
11:50.42CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r58b7e35080 10openembedded.git/packages/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info_0.51.bb: shared-mime-info: put freedesktop.org.xml in its own package
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11:50.57slapincould anybody advice some short sk_buff tutorial (The Linux Networking is here already)
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12:25.56woglindere
12:26.33Jin^eLDif you had to implement simple audio playback (mp3, flac) on ARM, what library would you pick to do the decoding?
12:27.01zeckeJin^eLD: you don't want mp3
12:27.14zeckeJin^eLD: libtremor for the vorbis payload, libogg for the ogg container :)
12:27.17Jin^eLDzecke: unfortunately I do (why not btw?)
12:27.29Jin^eLDzecke: it should play as much stuff as possible :>
12:27.35NAiLlibmad does integer decoding of mp3
12:27.36Jin^eLDso far I am thinking about gstreamer
12:27.51woglindehm I wonder why koen didnt test vlc stuff
12:27.59woglindeadn disabled avcodec
12:28.04zeckeJin^eLD: licensing situation around mp3 is pretty weird
12:28.14woglindeae dont disbabled avcodec
12:28.16Jin^eLDI know, but that's only some demo stuff that I have to do
12:28.22zeckeJin^eLD: your options for mp3: libmad (integer decoding) and fluendo's mp3 plugin
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12:28.39Jin^eLDzecke: thanks, I'll have a look at those then
12:28.52zeckelibmad is a GPL violation in itself, fluendo's mp3 plugin might lack integer support but is MIT licensed
12:29.27Jin^eLDGPL violation in itself? :)
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12:30.16zeckeJin^eLD: even the distribution of the libmad source is not legal according to the GPL
12:30.43gerwininI want to remove the link from tmp to nfs
12:30.47Jin^eLDdistribution of the source is illegal? that sounds interesting
12:31.03gerwininDoes anybody know how I can achieve this ?
12:32.27zeckeJin^eLD: section 7.) of the GPLv2 :)
12:32.30gerwininI am getting : Stale NFS file handle all the time :(
12:33.11woglindejineld mp3 patent
12:33.56zeckeJin^eLD: the only legal option is to ask fluendo do build you a mp3 decoder plugin with your toolchain for ARM (you may not even build it yourself) :)
12:34.25woglindezecke fluendo has bought a mp3 license?
12:35.28zeckewoglinde: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=fluendo+mp3
12:36.37woglindezecke hm seems you need another beat down
12:37.14zeckewoglinde: i just wanted to show you guys that cool service :)
12:37.34woglindehahahaaaa
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12:39.02woglindethats scary
12:39.07zeckewhat?
12:39.38woglindeif you ship the binary mp3 plugin you must be sure no to ship a gpl plugin which works with the mp3 plugin
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12:48.32Jin^eLD:)
12:50.12Jin^eLDwhat was the trick to use deploy/ipk as a repository for ipkg updates?
12:50.31CIA-503Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r332d828176 10openembedded.git/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
12:50.31CIA-5coreutils: Build and package df of coreutils
12:50.31CIA-5- df can only be build if one of the many statvfs,fsusage
12:50.31CIA-5was is present. These tests work by executing a test application
12:50.31CIA-5and that is obviously not working out when cross compiling
12:50.35CIA-5- all linux (glibc, eglibc, uclibc) should have the bsize in the
12:50.37CIA-5struct statvfs... and this will enable the build of df.
12:50.39CIA-503Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd6049dce56 10openembedded.git/packages/coreutils/ (coreutils-6.0/futimens.patch coreutils_6.0.bb): coreutils: Make version 6.0 compile by applying a futimens patch as well
12:50.42zeckeadding it to the /etc/opkg/*.conf foo?
12:51.12Jin^eLDipkg update claimed that it got the new packages, but ipkg upgrade does not install newer revisions
12:51.29zeckeJin^eLD: did you update the Packages file?
12:52.16Jin^eLDhow? I'd think it happens automagically?
12:52.34Jin^eLDor do I need to run some extra task for that?
12:53.25zeckeJin^eLD: it happens automatically when you build a image...
12:53.28zeckebitbake package-index
12:55.03Jin^eLDthanks!
12:57.28Jin^eLDhmm
12:57.39Jin^eLDipkg update followed by an upgrade - still no new revisions fetched
13:01.26Jin^eLDalthough package-index built without errors..
13:01.56Jin^eLDdo I have to add one url per arch?
13:02.02Jin^eLDi.e. one for "all", one for "arm" etc?
13:02.06Jin^eLDor just the toplevel ipk ?
13:04.19Jin^eLDok that was it
13:04.27Jin^eLDhad to enter a link to each directory
13:04.28Jin^eLDthanks
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14:00.28CIA-5enable KEYBOARD_GPIO and INPUT_POWER on tosa
14:00.29CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:00.36CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r47fc3bdbfa 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/tosa.conf:
14:00.36CIA-5tosa: add apm-tosa-suspendfix to MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS
14:00.36CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:00.37CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r85e93fe72e 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/claws-plugin-rssyl_0.18.bb:
14:00.40CIA-5claws-plugin-rssyl: fix compilation
14:00.42CIA-5Drop do_configure() as it breaks compilation. autotools.bbclass
14:00.44CIA-5provide better alternative that works.
14:00.46CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:00.48CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rc79020ca43 10openembedded.git/packages/tasks/task-base.bb:
14:00.51CIA-5task-base: bump PR as I've changed tosa MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS
14:00.53CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:00.55CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r8701797386 10openembedded.git/packages/gphoto2/ (files/gphoto-popt-fixup.patch gphoto2_2.4.2.bb):
14:01.02CIA-5gphoto2: correct popt selection madness
14:01.04CIA-5test for gphoto failed on my system, as is ended always trying to link
14:01.08CIA-5popt from /usr/lib64.
14:01.13CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:01.17CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rea9fbdbb54 10openembedded.git/packages/apmd/ (apm-tosa-suspendfix_0.1.bb files/50-tmio-ohci-unbind):
14:01.20CIA-5apm-tosa-suspendfix: tosa-specific suspend w/around
14:01.22CIA-5add tosa-specific suspend workaround, that will unbind ohci-hcd
14:01.24CIA-5before entering suspend and rebind it again after resuming.
14:01.26CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:01.32CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r565535c61a 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini:
14:01.35CIA-5checksums: new checksum for claws-plugin-mailmbox
14:01.37CIA-5The origin tarball for claws-plugin-mailmbox has changed.
14:01.39CIA-5No source changes though. Update checksums.ini to reflect new file.
14:01.41CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:01.43CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r1b0f44dc7c 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
14:01.50CIA-5claws-plugin-mailmbox: update to reflect the current Gtk API
14:01.52CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:01.54CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * re8dd0bfcba 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/claws-mail_3.6.1.bb:
14:01.57CIA-5claws-mail: stage headers to let claws plugins compile
14:02.01CIA-5Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>
14:02.05CIA-503Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r8ad80633a4 10openembedded.git/packages/qemu/ (qemu-0.9.1+svn/fix_baum_c_compilation.patch qemu_svn.bb):
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14:09.40CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rea0eb2b128 10openembedded.git/packages/nautilus/nautilus_2.24.1.bb: nautilus: enable tracker backend
14:09.50CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r102f1b6fc7 10openembedded.git/: Merge branch 'org.openembedded.dev' of git@git.openembedded.net:openembedded into org.openembedded.dev
14:09.51CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r35317b469e 10openembedded.git/packages/policykit/policykit_0.9.bb: policykit: fix another c/p error
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14:23.52Jin^eLDffmpeg compile wants to use ldconfig?
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14:25.27Jin^eLDhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/586827
14:25.33CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r0936a4f8ce 10openembedded.git/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: add QEMU_OPTION for armv6-novfp
14:25.39Jin^eLDwhy would it call ldconfig?
14:28.22CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r89c56a2150 10openembedded.git/packages/emacs/emacs.inc: emacs.inc: use QEMU_OPTIONS
14:32.16zeckeit wans to help you... *shudders*
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14:35.40JaMais something strange happening with log.do_rootfs files in OE? now they have > 100MB with some i suppose git messages which sometimes has word Fail in it, which makes rootfs log checker very angry at me :(
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14:39.08Jin^eLDzecke: it wants to help me to what? that's from the output from the ffmpeg OE recipe
14:42.01zeckeJin^eLD: yes, illfated help though... it calls ldconfig so it can find your newly installed libs...
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14:42.06zeckenow idea why it is doing that for you
14:42.38Jin^eLDI'd have to look at the recipe, but right now I can probably live wihtout ffmpeg
14:42.47Jin^eLDI'm going to build vlc and write something on top that controls it
14:42.54Jin^eLDthis way I will not have to mess with the decoders directly
14:42.56XorAbets it just needs a # added to the Makefile
14:43.03Jin^eLDbut can just hook vlc to my UI
14:43.04XorApeople tend to be overly helpful in Makefiles
14:55.36JaMaI found where it happened..
14:55.38JaMa+ cd /home/projects/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages
14:55.38JaMa++ git-log -n1 --pretty=oneline
14:55.38JaMa++ awk '{print $1}'
14:55.40JaMa+ echo VERSION: commit Merge: Author:
14:56.10JaMaand the last line is quite long... 51 193 780
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14:59.48CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r0d4ff93f04 10openembedded.git/packages/glibc/glibc-package.bbclass: glibc-package.bbclass: add -s 1048576 (yes, it's a hack) to qemu args to work on x86_64 hosts
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15:02.13kergothmorning
15:02.23woglindehi kergotj
15:02.30mickey|leipzigHbyo kergie
15:03.22JaMasorry its defined in conf/distro/openmoko.conf so I should ask there.. :)
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15:14.21CIA-503Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r177817f60e 10openembedded.git/packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb: angstrom-version: include branch and revision
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15:17.02ChocoboHi All, I am using a gcc cross-compiler (PC --> ARM) and I was wondering if there is a way to extract the size of the built in integer types?  I don't have a screen attached to this thing so I can't use sizeof.
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15:27.11hrwmorning
15:27.14woglindehi hrw
15:27.19woglindehow are you?
15:27.27hrwfine thanks
15:27.50prpplaguehrw: greetings
15:27.53woglindehm asking because seeing you joining only later the day
15:28.08hrwa bit pissed off due to Polish gov offices
15:28.15woglindehm
15:28.19woglindewhat happen?
15:28.35hrwto get package from fedex I need to send them company papers. and one of those papers == 6-7h trip tomorrow
15:28.55hrwmoving company between cities hurts badly in .pl
15:29.12woglindehms
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15:29.26Jin^eLDis vlc supposed to compile on uclibc?
15:29.52prpplaguehrw: that's insane
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15:30.10hrwprpplague: thats poland
15:30.20prpplaguehrw: hehe
15:30.55hrwprpplague: of course I can give filled form here but they will send it there, there will fill some data into system, then local office can check does data is changed and give me paper
15:31.04hrwprpplague: ETA: 1-2 weeks
15:31.30hrwalternative: I go there, give filled form and take paper after 15 minutes. but 6h on train trips
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15:34.23woglindeJin^eLD try disable avcodec and it should compile
15:35.20prpplaguehrw: what distro argument were you using with the 8050 build? "angstrom-2008.1"  ?
15:41.28Jin^eLDwoglinde: I did that already
15:41.34Jin^eLDwoglinde: I think it might be uclibc related..
15:41.42woglindejineld whats the problem?
15:42.05Jin^eLDthey are trying to figure out what clock to use
15:42.29Jin^eLDhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/586893
15:42.31Jin^eLDthats the code
15:42.43Jin^eLDlooks like the logic does not work out
15:43.46hrwprpplague: yes
15:43.52hrw-> late lunch
15:44.49woglindeJin^eLD hm check in the uclibc code about it
15:44.57Jin^eLDI wonder if the _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION is something "common", i.e. used by libc or if thats a vlc invention
15:44.57woglindesorry do not know at hand
15:45.00Jin^eLDdoes it look familiar?
15:45.52woglindenope
15:45.52prpplaguehrw: i assume i can use a similar site.conf file as i did when using poky?
15:48.02Jin^eLDon my PC its in /usr/include/bits/posix_opt.h
15:48.10Jin^eLDso that seems to be a libc thing
15:48.55Jin^eLDits also there in staging
15:54.16Jin^eLDand that header should be included by unistd.h, lets see
15:55.34Jin^eLDthe question is - by which one of them, there are like, 6 unistd.h files in staging
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15:56.20CIA-503Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * rb13dd80ead 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Updated to midpath rc2.
15:56.21CIA-503Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * r569d9b7c6f 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Updated midpath entry (rc1 to rc2).
15:56.31CIA-503Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * r84689e0620 10openembedded.git/packages/midpath/ (28 files in 2 dirs):
15:56.31CIA-5midpath: Updated all recipes to rc2.
15:56.31CIA-5midpath-openmoko: Use alsa backend.
15:57.27Jin^eLDarm-angstrom-linux-uclibcgnueabi/usr/include/unistd.h is the unistd.h that has the posix_opt.h include....
15:58.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 2134 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by dbaryshkov(AT)gmail.com
15:58.06cdbot2* * Tosa Angstrom x11 image  suspend/resume failure
15:58.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2134
16:00.46hrwprpplague: DISTRO="angstrom-2008.1" MACHINE="m8050" should be enough
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16:06.49Jin^eLDwoglinde: they assume that if _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION is defined, then CLOCK_NANOSLEEP must also be available - which for some reason is not the case
16:07.26woglindejineld sorry I do not know the posix standard
16:08.41Jin^eLDnanosleep is in -lrt?
16:08.46Jin^eLDdoes uclibc have that?
16:08.51Jin^eLDor what is rt part of?
16:11.20woglindeyes lrt should be there
16:11.40Jin^eLDas in - already when I build uclibc, or do I have to bitbake some package to get it?
16:12.09woglindeits  a normal lib that shipps with uclibc
16:12.18kergothhttp://www.philippwesche.org/200811/whohas/intro.html is cute
16:12.54Jin^eLDI'll have a closer look then, if it has the nanosleep function
16:14.37prpplaguehrw: well it looks to be building
16:14.59woglindehm seems it is not in librt
16:15.08woglindebut in libc self
16:15.21Jin^eLDI did not find it in the menuconfig
16:15.29Jin^eLDI wonder if it is implemented at all
16:15.49Jin^eLDbrb, will grab some food
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16:22.13woglindeserial console
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16:43.29TartarusAnyone around that knows how to poke Koen?
16:43.39TartarusI don't want to revert and replace http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=6348b3baf7a61fc07626a3ecb29b539d438cfb4f w/o checking with him
16:44.30XorATartarus: he is offline at the moment
16:44.36TartarusI did mail oe-devel but he hasn't replied, yet
16:44.37Tartarusk
16:45.03XorAIll nudge him if he reapears
16:45.35Tartarusthanks
16:45.49Tartarusi'm gonna ready the commit since khem thinks i'm right as to the why
16:58.43XorAyeah
16:58.50XorAoops wrong wndow
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17:00.39drakouHi !!
17:02.21drakouLast revision of gstreamer package ( r4) is not longuer building for me. I have that error :
17:02.38drakou| /bin/bash: /home/drakou/OE/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/mkdir: No such file or directory
17:02.38drakou| make[4]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 127
17:03.37Jin^eLDre
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17:04.03drakouWhy is make trying to use a native mkdir ?? instead of the system one
17:05.40NAiLpossibly because mkdir works differenly on various systems?
17:06.16NAiLhmm... shouldn't install be used instead of mkdir?
17:06.32drakouI 've just updated my OE git repos, and now, gstreamer make install is failling because of that error, but the others packages are fine
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17:08.38drakouI linked my native system mkdir to the right path to make it happy : but  new error :
17:08.46drakou| ../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: line 941: /home/drakou/OE/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/install: No such file or directory
17:08.46drakou| make[4]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 127
17:10.11TartarusHmm
17:10.16TartarusI think you need to rebuild a package
17:10.24Tartarusmainly the one that provides mkinstall, install, etc
17:10.28drakouwich one ?
17:10.31Tartarustries to think what that is, heh
17:10.39drakouwhich sorry
17:10.57Tartaruscoreutils-native, perhaps
17:11.09drakouok I try that
17:11.12mwesterNAiL "nailed" the problem, I think ;)
17:11.25woglindemwester which?
17:12.54drakou->package coreutils-native-5.3.0: started
17:13.07mwesterIIRC in some cases configure will fall back to mkdir if install is not present, which could explain why it is looking for "/usr/bin/mkdir" in the same place it would normally be instructed to find "install"
17:13.11drakouBut my question is : Why the only package failing is gstreamer
17:13.41drakouAll packages are using install
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17:14.38kergothdamnit, i cant figure out how best to do this script.. this sure is a lot of work just for a proof of concept
17:14.54woglindekergoth?
17:15.31drakouIt's working !! thank you Tartarus
17:15.56kergothwoglinde: making a script to take a package in the OpenEmbedded repo and convert it into a standalone git repo containing the upstream sources, with each of our patches as a git topic branch, and the recipe metadata in the source tree
17:16.03kergothwoglinde: to see how viable such a thing would be
17:16.29kergothfiguring out how to arrange the branches for all the possible variants of a patch between FILESPATH and OVERRIDES is hurting my head
17:16.49woglindeuh
17:16.57woglindenice idea
17:19.29kergothwas thinking about doing that ,then using the 'repo' tool that the android folks did to pull the various repositories together into a build
17:19.33kergothheh
17:21.34kergothmaybe i'll just punt it, make the branches and not have them share any history between variants, might be able to determine branching points and stuff later, after the fact with tools like git-cherry
17:21.36kergothscratches head
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17:32.11woglindeart jvlc
17:32.14woglinde~lart jvlc
17:32.14ibotholds jvlc to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
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17:45.53khemTartarus: you should revert that change I think because there is a better way I think to use --disable-werror config option if you want to use it
17:46.34khemWe do not need to hack configure script
17:47.18khembut its preferred to use -werror and patch sources if we can
17:51.08TartarusPersonally, I like -Werror on cross compile stuff
17:51.14Tartarusit's just these are semi stupid errors
17:51.27Tartarusotoh, it found a bug in mtd/ubi stuff I need to submit upstream
17:51.37TartarusBut yeah, I'll push this patch soon, just doing a build now
17:52.47kergothwe really need to get better at pushing our patches upstream
17:53.00kergothtoo many obvious hacks are still around that shouldve been cleaned up ages ago
17:53.05kergothnot that i'm volunteering..
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17:56.53khemTartarus: So it that the only patch needed to get gdb building with -Werror
17:57.57khemI used gcc 4.3 when I was playing with Intrepid Alpha
17:58.14khemand I saw many warnings
17:58.33khemopkg is was one of the package that failed to compile with 4.3 due to warnings
17:59.55Tartarusyeah, i think khem fixed a bunch of stuff
18:00.02Tartarussome properly, some hackishly :)
18:00.23Tartarusbbiab, feeding baby
18:01.38mwesteropkg *should* fail to compile with *any* compiler. ;-)
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18:09.44robtowHow does one specify a particular kernel version in bitbake/OE?
18:10.28CIA-503Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * r3608729280 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Removed openttd entries not available as recipes any more, added 0.6.3.
18:10.29CIA-503Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * r7004b2467a 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Set preference of openttd to 0.6.3.
18:10.35CIA-503Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * reee80d2552 10openembedded.git/packages/openttd/ (files/openttd_0.6.2-buildfix.patch openttd_0.6.2.bb): openttd: Updated to 0.6.3.
18:11.29kergothrobtow: PREFERRED_VERSION_[provider you want to specify the version of].  see the sane versions inc files in conf/distro/
18:13.05cdbot2* * OE Bug 4901 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder>
18:13.07cdbot2* * osso-gnome-vfs2-2.16.3-autobuild
18:13.09cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4901
18:14.08Jin^eLDdoh.. compiling vlc is not an easy task
18:15.26prpplaguekergoth: when the 8050 is release in january, probably want to see if we can pick a handful of people that would be good to send free hardware to
18:16.07thesingprpplague, 8050?
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18:16.21prpplaguehttp://www.elinux.org/M8050
18:16.45robtowThanks Chris
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18:20.37kergothprpplague: what sort of work will they be wanting done on it?  i certainly wouldnt mind being one of those people, i haven't done any real work with an actual device in a while.  heh
18:21.19prpplaguekergoth: nothing specific, i was just hoping for some more diverse support for it
18:21.27kergothah, thats cool
18:21.33prpplaguekergoth: hrw has already added the machine id to OE
18:21.54prpplaguekergoth: i started to offer you one, but i figured there might be a conflict with your work
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18:22.57kergothhmm, maybe i should re-read some of the paperwork i signed when i took the job
18:22.59kergothhehe
18:25.06prpplaguekergoth: basically just want it pretty easy for thirdparties to build up custom images for the unit
18:25.37mwesterbets he can paraphrase: "Every thing, thought, invention, action, or even anticipated action belongs to the employer, who in addition to owning your life, has the ability to terminate your employement without cause or reason, but in doing so does not give up any rights to your thoughts, actions, inventions, or things." <-- pretty standard in US employment agreements.
18:26.15robtowCalifornia is a bit more liberal in employment agreements.
18:26.31robtowHowever, you have to be careful to not use company owned machines or facilities.
18:26.43robtowAnd not engage in direct competition.
18:26.47khemyeah
18:27.31robtowIn this case - I imagine that the particular employer might be agreeable.
18:27.50mwesterI've been advised that the best bet is to make your boss aware of your hobby, and get something that indicates that he/she has no interest in it.
18:28.44kergothi've been lucky in that i've not yet been bitten in the real world by these things... i mean, theoretically they can claim ownership over all this stuff i woudlnt want them to, but practically they dont, and often encourage release of oss stuff
18:29.25khemyeah if companies are leveraging OSS they dont mind I guess
18:30.47kergothbut then, the main companies i worked for were TI and MV, and both are pretty decent players in the community when it comes to source changes
18:31.12kergothrandom joe blow company producing a Linux based product would probably be a whole different ballgame
18:31.13kergothheh
18:32.01tomasg_Hello all.  Is there a good FAQ on really making developer level use out of OE?  Most of the questions on the wiki are really trivial.  I'm a long time user of emerge/portage and I'm still having difficulty doing "common" things.
18:32.40tomasg_For instance:  I want to tell a bb package that it is dirty and for it to redo configure, compile, and build steps.  But bb -c rebuild it too costly as it rebuilds the entire package!
18:33.09kergothcould remove the configure stamp
18:33.24kergothdont think theres an existing task for that, but you could make one easily enough
18:34.03tomasg_perfect..... makea task -- even better!  I'm not pushed off by the python classes, I've spent enough time trapsing in there to understand the incrementals.
18:34.12tomasg_So would I add this to the kernel class?
18:34.50kergothcould add it to build/classes/mycrap.bbclass and set INHERIT += "mycrap"
18:34.51tomasg_The same thing follows for a build.  I assume I have to remove all task stamps, build, deploy, etc.
18:35.16tomasg_ok.  Thanks!
18:36.18tomasg_When the new stamps are created, will a dependent package (say console-image) automatically know it needs to rebuild the fs, or would I need to also deal w/ timestamps there?
18:37.10kergothwe wouldnt want a package to rebuild whenever any of its deps change, would be rebuilding shit left and right.  think you'll have to rebuild console-image yourself.  that one is fast enough, might as well -c rebuild it
18:38.33kergothtomasg_: koen reminded me that you can also bitbake -f -c configure to force a rerun of configure, and thatll invalidate the other stamps, so when you rerun bitbake again after that itll redo the rest
18:38.39kergothtwo step process, but it should do
18:39.04tomasg_Hmm.. ok... In the past (pre-bitbake) I work Makefile and/or ant scripts to generate the BSP kernel+fs.  It was actually desirable to touch one thing and have that cascade into a viable output..
18:39.16tomasg_s/work/wrote
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18:42.40tomasg_I supose I need a script to dump deps.  Say I change my glibc, now I want everything rebuilt against the new glibc..
18:42.51tomasg_no shortcut?
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18:48.15Jin^eLDhmm, for some reason vlc plugins are put in .debug directories
18:48.19Jin^eLDso they do not make it into the main package
18:48.21Jin^eLDi.e. ./usr/lib/vlc/mux/.debug/libmux_ogg_plugin.so
18:48.46Jin^eLDso they are not picked up and do not go into the ipk, end up in -dbg package
18:48.49Jin^eLDhas anyone seen this?
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18:57.25thesingtomasg_, you can recompile a package with "bitbake -c compile -force foo" (or so) works for other tasks too.
18:58.46thesingtomasg_, and if you want to foo to rebuild automatically if some of it deps changes you can play with BB_STAMP_POLICY. But not many people use it.
19:01.35tomasg_thesing:  thanx.  What I'm try to do is script the composition of my own custom kernel/custom rootfs *based* on someone else's distro..
19:02.52tomasg_As I develop, I want to make a mode and re-gen everything to re-test..  A more simple approach might just be to create a distro myself and maintain what goes in and how it's rebuilt..  Is this the right idea?  Is there a good tut on new OE distros?
19:05.17thesingtomasg_, you probably only want to create an own image.
19:05.32khemJin^eLD: you asked about clock_nanosleep () support in uclibc. Support is added in nptl branch which should merge into trunk shortly
19:06.00thesingtomasg_, a disto in oe only selects which versions of packages to choose and some other policies
19:06.58Jin^eLDmixed up windows
19:06.59Jin^eLD:)
19:07.05Jin^eLDkhem: thx, uclibc should not define _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION then
19:07.38Jin^eLD_POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION means pthread_condattr_setclock() is available and I was told that makes no sense if clock_gettime and clock_nanosleep are not there
19:09.49Jin^eLDI'm off, l8r
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19:14.48khemprobably yes. pthread_condattr_setclock is also not implemented
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19:28.24tomasg_thesing:  ok..  I'll look through the images and see if I can figure out how to control which packages are incl/excl..  Since the distro selects versions, can I override in the image recipe?
19:32.53hrwtomasg_: bitbake -cconfigure package -f
19:36.40pb_Jin^eLD: are you sure those are the plugins themselves, and not their debug data?
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19:39.26cbrakewonders why OE recipes based on git sources don't inlude git repository data in working directory like svn?
19:39.45cbrakegit is very handy to be able to check stuff into SVN from OE working directory
19:39.47hrwsize of .git/ can be huge compared to source?
19:39.49cbrake*it is
19:39.55cbrakehrw: probably so
19:40.16cbrakehrw: where with SVN its more like 2x your source
19:40.57cbrakeohh, well, its trivial to simply check out the source or copy an existing tree into the working directory for development
19:41.13kergothhmm
19:41.14timtimredit is nice through not having an extra directory in every dir in your source tree though.
19:41.33kergothtimtimred: git doesnt put a .git in every dir in the source tree, only at the root
19:41.39kergothsvn puts them in every dir
19:41.46timtimredyes thats what i mean :)
19:41.52kergothah, right :)
19:42.20timtimredgot samba 3.2.5 building...
19:42.23kergothcbrake: we do a clone for the fetch, no? does it just not include the .git when it copies it into the workdir?
19:42.41cbrakekergoth: I can't find any evidence in my working dirs :-)
19:42.49hrwkernel 2.6.28-rc7 tree takes 1.3GB and .git takes 0.96GB
19:42.49cbrakelooks at git fetcher ...
19:43.09kergothseems odd.  you can do a clone with hard links, the .git neednt take up any extra space in the workdir
19:43.36cbrakekergoth: that seems ideal
19:45.33kergothcbrake: itd just need to do a git clone -l for the unpack if the source is git://
19:45.38kergothheh
19:45.45kergothassuming we clone in the git fetcher from upstream
19:46.23kergothcbrake: alternatively, it could do a clone -s, which sets up alternates to point to the fetch for the objects
19:46.32kergotheither one would take care of it
19:46.55kergothcourse, -s would be more portable, filesystem wise
19:52.12cbrakelooks like bb git fetcher uses git-checkout-index which must not include the repo data
19:53.18cbrakeso all the scm fetchers must create tarballs that are then used by the generic fetcher code ...
19:55.33kergotheh
19:55.52kergothgit should be different.  you can always extract old versions of things from the repo, dont need the tarballs
19:55.59kergothfor client/server scms, sure
19:56.01kergothmaybe
19:56.04kergothshrugs
19:56.13hrwkergoth: except source mirrors which handle tarballs...
19:56.46kergothtrue, but i doubt the clone is that terribly much longer than the tarball fetch, and you'd only have to clone once for all versions of that package we ever have
19:56.53kergothshrugs
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20:03.56pb_g'day kergoth
20:04.01kergothhey pb_
20:04.04kergothhow goes it?
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20:05.54pb_yeah, pretty good.  just cleaning up the house at the moment, my family is coming to visit at the weekend.
20:07.00pb_stabs mysql
20:07.02pb_hurry up!
20:08.36kergothah nice
20:10.04cdbot2* * OE Bug 4902 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder>
20:10.06cdbot2* * epsilon-0.3.0.012+svnr37395-autobuild
20:10.08cdbot2* * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4902
20:11.06TartarusBah crap
20:11.07Tartaruskhem ?
20:11.15Tartarus| checking for mipsel-angstrom-linux-readelf... mipsel-angstrom-linux-readelf
20:11.15Tartarus| checking for .preinit_array/.init_array/.fini_array support... no
20:11.15Tartarus| configure: error: Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support.
20:11.15Tartarus| FATAL: oe_runconf failed
20:11.15TartarusNOTE: Task failed: /scratch/trini/cur-oe-rw/build_db1200_release_angstrom/work/mipsel-angstrom-linux/glibc-2.6.1-r15/temp/log.do_configure.32570
20:11.22TartarusRelated to the hash changes stuff?
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20:12.31hrwhttp://www.ourstrangeworld.net/index.php/main/article/strange_false_head_photo/
20:14.22pb_Tartarus: doesn't look like it, I don't think .init_array has anything to do with linker hashes.
20:14.33khemTartarus: yes seems so
20:14.48prpplaguehrw: weird, i saw the baby first before the head
20:15.06hrwprpplague: I was spoiled before going to page ;(
20:15.19Tartaruskhem, email me if you have any ideas on fixing, I'm hopping in the shower then out to lunch/errands
20:15.21Tartarusthanks :)
20:15.33Tartarusfwiw, angstrom and db1200 machine
20:15.45Tartarusif the path didn't give it away, heh
20:16.00hrwdb1200 is buildable again?
20:16.16TartarusYes
20:16.22hrwcool
20:16.23TartarusI got someone to push a fix or two to the conf
20:16.42Tartaruswas a few months ago when i was working on the 1250 locally
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20:24.05khemTartarus: which binutils is it using
20:29.01timtimredi also get the fini_array error for my mips builds.
20:29.48timtimredand im on binutils 2.18.50.0.7
20:32.16timtimredno MACHINE set in shell
20:32.50timtimredtinkered with various binutils but no joy (i forgot to note which versions - doh)
20:38.33Tartaruskhem, checking
20:38.49Tartarus2.18.50.0.7-r5
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22:13.14khemTartarus that should just work
22:14.44khemTartarus: I think the glibc build is messed up
22:14.49khemtry eglibc
22:14.55khemit works for almost all arches
22:15.17khemdo you care about a particular version of you just need a libc
22:22.51ant___khem: about gcc 4.3, long ago I had to add here and there '--disable-werror' and 'LDFLAGS += " -Wl,--allow-multiple-definition "'
22:23.00ant___question: is it still so picky?
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22:28.20khemant___: Well its better in error diag and sometimes its too much but it sure annoys developers
22:28.42khemI have not had much problems with gcc 4.3 myself
22:28.55khemant___: where did u use those options
22:29.15ant___hmm.. one was binutils-cross
22:29.23khemoh right
22:29.36khembinutils is not yet sanitized
22:29.55khemand the way ubuntu configures gcc 4.3 also matters
22:31.14ant___khem: the other was "gmp-native-4.2.1 multiple definition bothers gcc 4.3"
22:31.42ant___oebugs 3367 and 3378
22:32.08ant___I was using bero's Arklinux gcc-4.3.0-alpha :-/
22:32.37khemant___: I did not have the second one
22:32.58khemwell 4.3.2 is what I have used on ubuntu 8.10
22:33.32ant___khem: .dev switched to gmp 4.2.2 as default
22:34.08ant___which must have been more sane
22:39.33khemmay be
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22:45.54ant___khem: I ask you 'cause I see Gentoo sticks with gcc-4.1.2 !!!
22:46.33ant___btw I see they applied to 4.3.2 an "update softfloat patch" yesterday. Already in OE?
22:47.04khemright may be OE tries to be current
22:48.58ant___he...when I begun fiddling with OE, Gentoo was way ahead /toolchain and kernels
22:50.39khemant___: good job
22:50.53ant___congrats to all devs :-)
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22:57.27ant___khem: IMHO there are still some things in Gentoo to cherry-pick in OE (equery)
22:57.54ant___way ahead my more than limited python skills
22:58.05ant___perhaps kergoth...
22:58.39kergothdon't look at me, i learned pythonc oding bitbake, and its obvious, and i never did become an expert
22:58.42kergoth:P
22:59.01ant___:-D
22:59.06ant___mizar ~ # equery depends libmad
22:59.07ant___[ Searching for packages depending on libmad... ]
22:59.07ant___media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad-0.10.8 (>=media-libs/libmad-0.15.1b)
22:59.07ant___media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc2_p27725-r1 (mad? media-libs/libmad)
22:59.16ant___don't say it's bad...
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23:00.29ant___urges to do equery depends gcc-2.95, polluting all the initial logs :/
23:00.48kergothyeah, we could really use a tool like that
23:01.36ant___every now and then strange things happen, like e.g.
23:01.39ant___ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
23:01.48ant___nonsense, but still
23:02.00ant___would be an easy catch
23:04.17ant___BTW yesterday hrw nailed down one twin, an it was a missing COMPATIBLE_MACHINE in old embedix kernel
23:06.24ant___kergoth: or things like "revdep-rebuild"
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23:08.57ant___hi florian
23:17.42ant___khem: gcc-cross-4.2.4 uclibcgnueabi fails on rebuild. Was fine on build from scratch. Doh...
23:18.05ant___libstdc++-v3 again
23:18.07ant___http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2383232.txt
23:18.21khemant___: hmmm thats a strange thing
23:19.20ant___wait..am I in an old tree...moment
23:19.28khemah
23:19.54khemone reason if this happens could be that you have libintl being installed after gcc from someother source
23:20.00khemwhich is kind of crappy
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23:21.37ant___ah..was that old tree...never got cured...(I had a glibc build to update and switched tree...my fault)
23:21.58ant___old == 2days ago :-D
23:22.16khemthats old on dev look how many commits happer per day
23:22.33ant___true. was rebuilt from scratch flawlessy
23:24.14khemwinding and unwinding build dependencies does not work well for toolchain
23:25.15ant___definitely
23:25.40khemany toolchain change demands a rebuild to be correct :)
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23:25.57ant___now I'll retry from pstage
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23:50.32ant___khem: wiping tmp, I see a broken symlink in /cross/armv5te/bin
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23:51.35ant___no gfortran here
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