00:00.10 | ant___ | ok, like c7x0 |
00:27.44 | ant___ | 'nite |
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01:15.11 | lumag | Damn. Building of minimo fails if host is 64-bit (targeting arm). |
01:15.22 | lumag | And fails badly :( |
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02:29.38 | luke-jr | lumag: is there any reason you'd want a 64-bit Minimo on ARM? |
02:30.05 | lumag | luke-jr, my buildhost is 64bit |
02:31.12 | luke-jr | oh |
02:31.12 | luke-jr | host |
02:31.13 | luke-jr | sorry |
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02:52.25 | sebbs | could anyone tell me where i can find a list of supported devices? |
02:52.44 | sebbs | im trying to find a good smartphone to buy and i want to run linux on it |
02:52.52 | woglinde | sebbs look into config/machine |
02:53.05 | woglinde | and good nite |
02:53.28 | sebbs | config/machine? |
02:53.33 | sebbs | is that a folder |
02:53.34 | sebbs | oh |
02:53.37 | sebbs | he left |
02:56.21 | ALoGeNo | sebbs yep it is, a folder in the main repository |
02:58.20 | ALoGeNo | sebbs take a look at here.. http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/conf/machine |
02:59.37 | sebbs | ah sweet |
02:59.40 | sebbs | thanks dude |
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02:59.46 | ALoGeNo | np |
03:00.14 | sebbs | aw the phone i wanted to buy is not supported :( |
03:01.04 | ALoGeNo | now is a little complicated thing take a phone with WM to put linux inside.. |
03:01.12 | ALoGeNo | motorolas maybe.. |
03:01.31 | ALoGeNo | or maybe G1 is the best option |
03:01.41 | sebbs | g1 is cracke |
03:01.44 | sebbs | d |
03:01.54 | ALoGeNo | what you mean? |
03:01.54 | sebbs | they will or have already plugged the hole |
03:01.59 | sebbs | what do you mean? |
03:02.09 | sebbs | im talkin gabout the root explot |
03:02.15 | sebbs | on the g1 phone |
03:02.17 | ALoGeNo | oh... |
03:02.26 | sebbs | which lets you install linux(debian) on it |
03:02.52 | ALoGeNo | wow.. i dont know nothing abut that ^^ |
03:02.56 | sebbs | im looking to buy a pda+gsm device running linux |
03:03.07 | ALoGeNo | neorunner ^^ |
03:03.11 | sebbs | a person from openmoko told me you guys |
03:03.23 | sebbs | yea, but i will have to wait for the new version |
03:03.36 | ALoGeNo | with keyboard maybe? |
03:03.50 | sebbs | yeah i would like/need a qwerty |
03:03.53 | sebbs | cos i wanna code on it |
03:03.59 | ALoGeNo | sure.. |
03:04.02 | sebbs | thats why ive been looking at these HP ones |
03:04.10 | sebbs | they seem supported but only the old ones |
03:04.15 | sebbs | asfar as i cna see |
03:04.25 | sebbs | i would love to have a smartphone i can run apt-get on |
03:04.54 | ALoGeNo | i was take htc universal of second hand.. by 150 on ebay, and i have the wole debian inside but the wifi is crapping.-.- |
03:05.49 | ALoGeNo | we are stoped with 2.6.21hh20 kernel and the wifi dont work at all.. |
03:06.00 | sebbs | kinda annoying there aint anything around that is worth buying(as far as ive seen) |
03:06.00 | sebbs | http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/index.php/gadgetblog/comments/review_hp_ipaq_910_business_messenger/ |
03:06.00 | sebbs | this one seemed great |
03:06.00 | sebbs | i would really like that one if i could run mutt on it |
03:06.26 | sebbs | universal looks kinda weak though |
03:07.14 | ALoGeNo | the uni is a great machine and with the extended battery is a small laptop ^^ |
03:07.43 | sebbs | ALoGeNo: how much ram does it have? |
03:07.50 | ALoGeNo | but a few ppl is involved in the project rigth now.. :/ |
03:07.53 | sebbs | how extended? |
03:08.10 | ALoGeNo | 64MB but you can upgrade it over internet.. |
03:08.15 | sebbs | the ram? |
03:08.25 | sebbs | upgrade over the internet? |
03:08.29 | ALoGeNo | mmm.. |
03:08.40 | sebbs | how do you mean? buy new ram? |
03:08.48 | sebbs | how much can it be upgraded |
03:08.52 | ALoGeNo | you can send it to upgrade, you have some webs that can do the work.. |
03:08.59 | ALoGeNo | 128MB |
03:09.05 | ALoGeNo | sorry for my english ^^ |
03:09.11 | sebbs | :) its ok |
03:09.22 | sebbs | what about the harddrive? |
03:09.45 | ALoGeNo | oh you can pu sd cards SDHC without problems |
03:09.50 | sebbs | how big? |
03:10.17 | ALoGeNo | i was read about 8GB and 16GB i remember.. |
03:10.24 | ALoGeNo | im not sure.. |
03:10.31 | ALoGeNo | maybe 32GB too |
03:10.35 | sebbs | wow |
03:10.39 | sebbs | seriously? |
03:10.42 | ALoGeNo | yep |
03:10.53 | sebbs | and you can use it as a normal phone? |
03:10.57 | ALoGeNo | yep |
03:11.00 | sebbs | simcard? |
03:11.12 | ALoGeNo | now is running with debian and titchy linux phone part |
03:11.30 | sebbs | and its working fine? |
03:11.44 | sebbs | could you run mutt on it? |
03:11.50 | sebbs | and wyrd? |
03:11.56 | ALoGeNo | yes, BT IRDA and WIFI, but wifi is gone out some times.. |
03:12.02 | sebbs | i mean is it too small to code on? |
03:12.08 | sebbs | i wanna buy a machine to code on |
03:12.25 | ALoGeNo | i think that you can code in the uni without problems.. |
03:12.35 | ALoGeNo | 640x480 screen.. |
03:12.43 | sebbs | yeah i just saw that |
03:12.47 | sebbs | good resolution |
03:12.51 | ALoGeNo | yep.. |
03:12.51 | sebbs | good for text editor |
03:13.15 | ALoGeNo | im usin KDE ( a little slow..) and icewm without problems.. |
03:13.34 | sebbs | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM |
03:13.43 | sebbs | i would only use text terminal |
03:13.51 | sebbs | thats all i need |
03:13.56 | sebbs | and to be able to surf |
03:14.05 | ALoGeNo | i told you the only one problem is the acx module , wifi hangs some times.. but all the rest is working like a charm. |
03:14.23 | sebbs | hmm |
03:14.32 | sebbs | i mean sure kde is slow |
03:14.41 | sebbs | its a desktop environment running on a phone/pda |
03:14.44 | sebbs | ^^ |
03:15.09 | ALoGeNo | and of course.. you can run any distro like GPE, POKY, MAMONA, QTOPIA, OPIE, and that.. |
03:15.39 | sebbs | hmm, is this the phone with bestsupport+hardware around? |
03:15.49 | ALoGeNo | yeah is a little slow but isnt bad at all (i have 64MB ram only hehe) |
03:16.03 | ALoGeNo | but with icewm run like a devil.. |
03:16.18 | sebbs | if i would get it i would order it with 128 ram and a good disk off ebay or whatever |
03:16.43 | ALoGeNo | the phone part of the uni works fine.., less the SMS that still in development.. (i think) |
03:16.53 | sebbs | i really really want a phone running linux, and the openmoko is not good for coding |
03:17.13 | ALoGeNo | wait.. |
03:17.30 | ALoGeNo | http://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal |
03:18.56 | sebbs | thats great |
03:19.02 | ALoGeNo | http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux |
03:19.35 | sebbs | On the HTC Universal, the cameras are not supported |
03:19.42 | sebbs | ;( |
03:19.44 | ALoGeNo | nope. |
03:20.02 | sebbs | not at all? |
03:20.06 | ALoGeNo | but you can run the camera from WM |
03:20.06 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
03:20.12 | sebbs | ? |
03:20.13 | sebbs | WM? |
03:20.18 | ALoGeNo | windows mobile.. |
03:20.23 | sebbs | oh |
03:20.27 | sebbs | so you would reboot |
03:20.34 | ALoGeNo | yep |
03:20.41 | sebbs | yeah thats ok. how long is the reboot time? |
03:20.56 | ALoGeNo | but you have boot SO, WM and linux, you run linux with haret.. |
03:21.16 | ALoGeNo | 30seg more or less.. |
03:21.29 | sebbs | that is ok |
03:21.36 | ALoGeNo | maybe 60 |
03:21.40 | sebbs | if you really want to take a picture i mean |
03:21.55 | ALoGeNo | that i think of depends of that you have installed in WM |
03:22.00 | sebbs | i have a nokia n95-8gb now, it has a 5mp camera |
03:22.06 | sebbs | but runs symbian :( |
03:22.07 | ALoGeNo | hehe nice machine |
03:22.19 | sebbs | yes but i do not like symbian at all |
03:22.30 | ALoGeNo | yes, i know, in the past i have the 9210 ^^ |
03:22.36 | sebbs | i would rather sell it and buy a new phone |
03:22.37 | ALoGeNo | and later 6600 |
03:22.52 | sebbs | symbian is ok, but not good |
03:23.00 | ALoGeNo | nope many virus xD |
03:23.05 | sebbs | heheh |
03:23.05 | sebbs | yea |
03:23.22 | ALoGeNo | but isnt bad at all ^^ |
03:23.29 | sebbs | its very slow |
03:23.30 | sebbs | the menus |
03:23.39 | sebbs | its has very good hardware |
03:23.51 | sebbs | 5mp camera stuff like that, 8gb flash disk |
03:23.55 | ALoGeNo | yep is a little crap, wm with a 200Mhz runs much more better |
03:24.06 | sebbs | but i would change all that for qwerty+debian |
03:24.26 | sebbs | qwerty is important |
03:24.28 | ALoGeNo | you need a good screen.. |
03:24.33 | sebbs | yes that too |
03:24.40 | sebbs | 640x480 is crazy good |
03:24.52 | ALoGeNo | 640x480 its ok, less is too small :/ |
03:25.04 | sebbs | i like small |
03:25.10 | sebbs | symbian is too big |
03:25.17 | sebbs | very large text |
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03:26.06 | ALoGeNo | hey and n810? |
03:26.38 | sebbs | locked down version of linux :( |
03:26.40 | sebbs | maemo |
03:26.43 | sebbs | or something |
03:26.52 | sebbs | its very locked down, (no root) etc |
03:26.53 | ALoGeNo | i cant remember but i think that you can put debian in that.. |
03:27.05 | ALoGeNo | ohh... |
03:28.53 | sebbs | and its not a phone is it? |
03:28.59 | sebbs | does it have gsM? |
03:29.50 | ALoGeNo | i'll tell you that buy the htc uni but the project is a little slow, and i dont know what will happend with uni in the future.. (with the kernel i mean.. becose the debian is debian arm and that still there for ever i think xD)) |
03:30.38 | ALoGeNo | yes the htc uni is a 3G phone, and i dunno 3G but gsm works perfectrly in debian with de uni |
03:31.06 | sebbs | it will be hard to find the phone with the ram upgraded |
03:31.18 | ALoGeNo | hehe yes |
03:31.30 | sebbs | doing it myself would normally be ok, but im not sure i would wnat to buy a phone hack it and then use it |
03:31.41 | sebbs | if i was using it then wanted to hack it, it would be different |
03:32.01 | ALoGeNo | becose who upgrade the uni with 128MB have the best machine running debian in the palm of the hand.. (or whatever xD) |
03:32.20 | sebbs | is this the best hardware machine running debian? |
03:32.26 | sebbs | are there no other ones? |
03:32.33 | sebbs | i mean with good hardware |
03:32.44 | ALoGeNo | hum... maybe but not more cheaper.. |
03:32.45 | sebbs | i know there are older phones that run debian |
03:32.52 | sebbs | well cheaper is not a big problem |
03:32.58 | sebbs | i need it for work |
03:33.08 | ALoGeNo | then you can but some zaurus or that.. |
03:33.19 | sebbs | zaurus does not have gsm |
03:33.22 | ALoGeNo | buy* |
03:33.32 | ALoGeNo | oh |
03:33.46 | sebbs | its for work so i need gsm/3g |
03:33.57 | ALoGeNo | then ... you can get htc shift 7" |
03:34.11 | sebbs | hmm |
03:34.15 | ALoGeNo | but then you can get too asus eeepc ^^ |
03:34.16 | sebbs | doews it run linux? |
03:34.24 | sebbs | eeepc is a pc |
03:34.28 | sebbs | i need a phone |
03:34.43 | ALoGeNo | yes i think that yes.., it comes with vista inside.. |
03:34.49 | sebbs | htc shift is not a phone rither |
03:34.55 | ALoGeNo | i mean htc shift |
03:35.05 | ALoGeNo | yesyes.. it is.. |
03:35.07 | sebbs | is htc shift a phone? |
03:35.12 | ALoGeNo | yep! |
03:35.14 | sebbs | does it run linux? |
03:35.21 | ALoGeNo | i think.. |
03:35.29 | sebbs | if it does i would get it |
03:36.44 | sebbs | thats gonna be expensive |
03:36.56 | ALoGeNo | yes i think that it has phone, and run linux, like a normal pc.. |
03:37.14 | sebbs | ?!?!? its x84? |
03:37.15 | ALoGeNo | hehe very spensive.. ;) |
03:37.19 | sebbs | no its cant be |
03:37.27 | ALoGeNo | x84* |
03:37.29 | ALoGeNo | ? |
03:37.33 | ALoGeNo | x86? |
03:37.48 | sebbs | yes haha i am eating i prssed wrong |
03:39.19 | sebbs | is that really a phone? its veeeeeery big |
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03:40.28 | ALoGeNo | yes it is a phone |
03:40.28 | ALoGeNo | XD |
03:40.39 | ALoGeNo | look for htc x9500 |
03:40.41 | sebbs | its very very big |
03:40.46 | ALoGeNo | 7" ^^ |
03:41.10 | sebbs | are you sure these run linux/ |
03:41.19 | sebbs | if they do i will get one of these |
03:41.37 | ALoGeNo | ask to google if you dont belebe me |
03:41.41 | ALoGeNo | or whatever |
03:41.41 | ALoGeNo | xD |
03:41.52 | sebbs | could you send me a url? |
03:42.07 | sebbs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il4MY3ypm3E |
03:42.08 | ALoGeNo | many spam.. |
03:42.15 | sebbs | its not a phone you cant use it like a phone |
03:42.22 | ALoGeNo | im looking about 5min.. |
03:42.26 | sebbs | atleast not without a headset |
03:42.43 | ALoGeNo | The HTC Shift is the ultimate UMPC. The built in quad-band GSM antenna ensures you've always got cell phone reception for internet browsing, and the tri-band 3G/HSDPA keeps you online at broadband speeds everywhere in the world. With a 40GB hard drive, |
03:43.52 | sebbs | you cant have it in your pants |
03:44.01 | sebbs | i think i need something a bit smaller |
03:44.06 | sebbs | i have a X61t |
03:44.55 | ALoGeNo | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381915 |
03:45.40 | sebbs | :O |
03:45.41 | sebbs | wow |
03:46.06 | ALoGeNo | maybe htc athena |
03:46.15 | ALoGeNo | 5" screen |
03:46.58 | sebbs | its too big though |
03:47.03 | sebbs | i would need something smaller |
03:47.29 | ALoGeNo | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena |
03:47.45 | ALoGeNo | man you need htc universal |
03:47.45 | ALoGeNo | XD |
03:48.19 | sebbs | hey |
03:48.22 | sebbs | athena looks good |
03:48.29 | sebbs | how big is that one |
03:48.32 | sebbs | hmm |
03:48.41 | sebbs | wonder if it runs linux |
03:48.46 | ALoGeNo | but linux is work in progress |
03:49.01 | ALoGeNo | you can run android |
03:49.15 | sebbs | wow |
03:49.20 | sebbs | that one was waaay cool |
03:49.22 | ALoGeNo | but i dont know if you do the same with debian |
03:49.25 | sebbs | with the notepad thing |
03:49.27 | sebbs | cover |
03:49.30 | sebbs | maaan thats hot |
03:49.36 | ALoGeNo | yep |
03:49.40 | sebbs | keyboard seperation |
03:49.46 | sebbs | thats not too big |
03:49.54 | sebbs | its big though# |
03:50.09 | sebbs | camerta too ? :O |
03:50.20 | sebbs | why are all the windows machines so cool :( |
03:50.20 | ALoGeNo | and it cost the 800$ less than shift that cost 1400$ |
03:50.21 | ALoGeNo | XD |
03:50.30 | sebbs | yeah and its alot smaller |
03:50.35 | sebbs | but linux support is not so good i think |
03:50.40 | ALoGeNo | nope |
03:50.56 | ALoGeNo | i told you.. the think is very compicated ^^ |
03:51.22 | ALoGeNo | and now the ppl is migrating kernels and that is a bad think.. |
03:51.27 | ALoGeNo | thing* |
03:52.22 | sebbs | migrating to new kernels |
03:52.26 | ALoGeNo | if you dont have money probems you can buy htc universal over 100 or 150 on ebay.. |
03:52.32 | ALoGeNo | yep |
03:52.40 | Tartarus | khem ? |
03:52.45 | sebbs | htc universal is good but not good enough, |
03:53.05 | sebbs | i need more ram and harddrive, if i could find it with 128ram perhaps, i will look into it though |
03:53.07 | ALoGeNo | and if you dont wnanna use the xwindow server you dont need 120MB of ram ^^ |
03:53.19 | ALoGeNo | 128* |
03:53.22 | sebbs | well i might do some stuff on it that will need it |
03:53.41 | ALoGeNo | maybe you are on the rigth :) |
03:53.53 | sebbs | :) |
03:54.06 | ALoGeNo | but i dont know what becose all works for me.. |
03:54.19 | ALoGeNo | less the dammned wifi |
03:54.20 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
03:54.42 | sebbs | hey ALoGeNo if i can get android to boot on a phone, that means i can run debian in chroot no |
03:54.46 | sebbs | ? |
03:54.50 | sebbs | athena runs android i think |
03:55.01 | sebbs | oh it does not support anything |
03:55.04 | sebbs | just runs it |
03:55.10 | ALoGeNo | mmm, i dunno man :/ |
03:55.10 | sebbs | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2210758&postcount=35 |
03:55.36 | ALoGeNo | you can ask that to cmonex in #hpcdev becose she have ones.. |
03:55.45 | ALoGeNo | one* |
03:56.27 | ALoGeNo | i do the other way... |
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03:56.43 | ALoGeNo | i use the same kernel to boot any distro in the uni |
03:57.24 | ALoGeNo | i was booted android with a normal kernel |
03:57.44 | sebbs | cool |
03:57.57 | sebbs | support for your phone seems to be good |
03:58.13 | ALoGeNo | for the uni? good? |
03:58.19 | ALoGeNo | xd not much.. |
03:58.59 | ALoGeNo | my phone is from 2005 and is a little old.. and ppl have new one phones.. |
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03:59.14 | sebbs | do new phones have good linux support? |
03:59.22 | ALoGeNo | and now dont work in the uni old phone.. |
03:59.27 | ALoGeNo | no |
03:59.28 | ALoGeNo | XD |
03:59.40 | ALoGeNo | but the ppl get to work in theys.. |
03:59.41 | ALoGeNo | XD |
03:59.50 | ALoGeNo | and left the old ones.. |
03:59.51 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:00.16 | sebbs | :) hehehe |
04:00.18 | ALoGeNo | is crazy but this is the problem ^^ |
04:00.51 | sebbs | i think i will keep ny n95 and wait for a good linux phone to come |
04:01.16 | ALoGeNo | maybe neorunner with querty ^^ |
04:01.16 | sebbs | htc universal is good, but not worth changing phones for |
04:01.28 | sebbs | but that willnot happend for a long time |
04:01.45 | sebbs | GTA03 is 6months+ |
04:01.52 | sebbs | and it does not have qwerty |
04:01.52 | ALoGeNo | if you dont have money problems get the uni ^^ |
04:02.17 | ALoGeNo | and test with that.. allways can sale over ebay again.. ^^ |
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04:03.05 | ALoGeNo | morning HellDragon :) |
04:03.38 | sebbs | hey |
04:03.42 | sebbs | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus |
04:03.47 | sebbs | EXT. CAMERA WIP The driver is available in the 2.6.16 kernel for [WWW]Motorola A780 |
04:03.50 | sebbs | INT. CAMERA WIP The driver is available in the 2.6.16 kernel for OMAP [WWW]info |
04:03.59 | sebbs | ^^ |
04:04.20 | ALoGeNo | hehe i need acx driver not for camera for wifi.. |
04:04.21 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:04.54 | ALoGeNo | i dont have wifi when i go to take a coffee xDD |
04:05.01 | sebbs | :( |
04:05.02 | sebbs | aww |
04:05.16 | sebbs | i watch youtune |
04:05.20 | ALoGeNo | and i need to hack someone ^^ |
04:05.20 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:05.21 | sebbs | youtube |
04:05.28 | sebbs | hehe |
04:05.55 | ALoGeNo | it have mode monitor and so.. and injects.. |
04:05.55 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:06.34 | sebbs | ^^ |
04:06.35 | ALoGeNo | but in a few minuts begging to show trash in the screen.. and hangs the wifi.. |
04:06.50 | ALoGeNo | and need ifup the device.. |
04:07.01 | ALoGeNo | ifdown/ifup |
04:07.07 | sebbs | sucks |
04:07.12 | sebbs | hopefully they will fix it soon |
04:07.12 | ALoGeNo | totally.. |
04:07.23 | ALoGeNo | thnx.. |
04:09.51 | ALoGeNo | CR2 is a good guy.. |
04:10.09 | sebbs | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux |
04:10.32 | ALoGeNo | him is involved in android rigth now like all the world.. |
04:10.32 | ALoGeNo | xD |
04:10.37 | ALoGeNo | yeah.. |
04:10.59 | ALoGeNo | and the other rest of the world is involved with diamond and kaiser.. |
04:11.59 | sebbs | i dont know much about these phone |
04:11.59 | sebbs | s |
04:12.11 | sebbs | they dont have htc here in europe |
04:12.14 | sebbs | atleast not what ive seen |
04:14.05 | ALoGeNo | the raphael is the diamond (diamond raphael) |
04:14.46 | sebbs | which models are there |
04:14.53 | sebbs | i should google |
04:15.31 | ALoGeNo | and is like the kaiser but new model.. (and not the same hardware, but you have the ame BT wifi 3G and GPS and camera of course..) |
04:15.54 | ALoGeNo | same* |
04:16.08 | sebbs | "Re-enabled some services that I had previously disabled. With this GSM magically works in android. You can now receive calls (and probably also make calls)" |
04:16.20 | ALoGeNo | and keyboard.. (kaiser i dunno if it has keyb) |
04:16.35 | sebbs | which one is best suppoeted |
04:16.39 | sebbs | yeah keyboard rocks |
04:16.42 | sebbs | i would gtet this phone |
04:16.43 | sebbs | i think |
04:16.50 | ALoGeNo | diamond? |
04:16.53 | sebbs | maybe |
04:16.57 | sebbs | it has a keybaord |
04:16.58 | ALoGeNo | QVGA? |
04:16.58 | sebbs | board |
04:17.02 | sebbs | ?! |
04:17.03 | sebbs | is it? |
04:17.07 | ALoGeNo | yes |
04:17.12 | sebbs | it looks higher |
04:17.16 | ALoGeNo | 320x240 |
04:17.21 | sebbs | on the screenshots it looks higher |
04:17.29 | ALoGeNo | read read.. |
04:17.52 | sebbs | hmm |
04:17.54 | sebbs | sucks : |
04:17.55 | sebbs | ( |
04:17.56 | sebbs | :( |
04:18.11 | sebbs | good otherwise |
04:18.15 | ALoGeNo | i have the same that kaiser (tytnII) but without GPS htc hemes (Tytn) |
04:18.43 | sebbs | you have it? |
04:18.44 | ALoGeNo | QVGA.. and sux for view any thing-.. |
04:18.47 | sebbs | :( |
04:19.14 | sebbs | hmm, i guess, are there other phones with higher resolution from htc? |
04:19.26 | ALoGeNo | maybe htc touch HD |
04:19.31 | ALoGeNo | but is a lot new.. |
04:19.37 | ALoGeNo | no linux i think |
04:19.42 | sebbs | :( ok |
04:20.11 | ALoGeNo | :) |
04:20.27 | ALoGeNo | isnt easy , uh? hehe |
04:20.37 | sebbs | hehe no its not :( hehe |
04:20.47 | sebbs | i normally have a hard time choosing |
04:21.05 | sebbs | last time it was easy |
04:21.08 | ALoGeNo | but with linux the thing is more complicated.. |
04:21.16 | sebbs | n958gb was very good when i had it |
04:21.22 | sebbs | and i run putty on it so it was ok a while |
04:21.28 | sebbs | but input is very bad on a t9 |
04:21.37 | ALoGeNo | yes.. |
04:21.39 | sebbs | i need qwerty, i cant code on t9 |
04:21.48 | sebbs | its ok to organize with but nothing else |
04:22.16 | sebbs | i want to run mutt and wyrd, and mc, and irssi etc |
04:22.19 | ALoGeNo | htc universal |
04:22.20 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:22.23 | sebbs | :D hehe |
04:22.28 | sebbs | maybe you are right |
04:22.36 | sebbs | does not seem to be another alternative |
04:22.53 | ALoGeNo | you can do all this things over windows mobile |
04:23.04 | sebbs | what do you mean |
04:23.07 | sebbs | run windows? |
04:23.10 | ALoGeNo | putty and that.. |
04:23.17 | sebbs | yes but its not enough |
04:23.22 | sebbs | i need to have chroot an dstuff |
04:23.33 | sebbs | perhaps even run a smaaaaall database |
04:23.46 | ALoGeNo | you have it but the wifi still without end of work.. |
04:23.55 | ALoGeNo | this is a problem.. |
04:24.06 | sebbs | u think its gonna take a long time to fix> |
04:24.07 | sebbs | ? |
04:24.16 | ALoGeNo | ohh man... |
04:24.18 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:24.31 | ALoGeNo | i pray all the days for that |
04:24.32 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:24.39 | ALoGeNo | (im not catolic) |
04:24.40 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:24.42 | sebbs | is it due to the new kernel? |
04:24.46 | ALoGeNo | im agnostic |
04:24.51 | ALoGeNo | or whaterver ^^ |
04:24.52 | sebbs | cant you revert to a older kernel? |
04:25.10 | ALoGeNo | yep but you lost other futures |
04:25.13 | ALoGeNo | like the phone.. |
04:25.22 | ALoGeNo | and dont work at all.. |
04:25.33 | sebbs | how long have you been waiting for the wifi to work |
04:25.34 | sebbs | ? |
04:25.53 | ALoGeNo | i have the uni a few moths like 4 or 5 moths.. |
04:26.02 | sebbs | oh that long |
04:26.05 | sebbs | :( |
04:26.13 | ALoGeNo | and im waiting around 1 or 2 moths.. |
04:26.21 | ALoGeNo | xD |
04:26.26 | sebbs | oh ;) |
04:26.40 | ALoGeNo | i mean i have the uni stoped for that 1 or 2 moths.. ^^ |
04:26.50 | sebbs | ok |
04:26.53 | sebbs | do you like it? |
04:27.01 | ALoGeNo | becose after i was ocupated learning and that ^^ |
04:27.05 | sebbs | do you have another phone? |
04:27.40 | sebbs | hey bro you can really suft the net on this |
04:27.43 | sebbs | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Pocket_pc_qtek_2006-08-26.jpg |
04:27.46 | sebbs | looks good |
04:27.56 | ALoGeNo | yes i have tytn, the uni, and nec mp900c and ipod touch too.. |
04:28.27 | sebbs | cool |
04:29.19 | ALoGeNo | yeah you can surf but you must install opera ^^ much better that ie |
04:29.29 | ALoGeNo | than* |
04:29.42 | sebbs | how does linux run on the uni? |
04:30.00 | sebbs | is it ok? |
04:30.12 | ALoGeNo | you need partitionning you SD card making 3 partitions.. |
04:30.20 | ALoGeNo | fat, ext2 and swap |
04:30.33 | sebbs | fat== boot? |
04:30.46 | ALoGeNo | later you put the haret.exe in the fat and boot to rootfs in ext2 |
04:30.53 | ALoGeNo | nono |
04:30.56 | sebbs | ah |
04:30.59 | sebbs | ok now i see |
04:31.04 | ALoGeNo | the fat is only to copy haret and kernel |
04:31.25 | ALoGeNo | and for your stuff ^^ |
04:31.43 | ALoGeNo | opera or whaterver ^^ |
04:32.54 | ALoGeNo | we need a phone with the screen of the iphone/itouch, and with querty, and debian inside |
04:32.55 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:33.02 | sebbs | haha yeah |
04:33.04 | sebbs | exatcly |
04:33.23 | sebbs | and good battery |
04:33.25 | sebbs | +gps |
04:33.29 | ALoGeNo | xD |
04:33.29 | sebbs | ^^ |
04:33.33 | ALoGeNo | yes.. |
04:33.46 | ALoGeNo | that is trying google.. but i dunno... |
04:33.49 | sebbs | have you seen the new n97? |
04:33.51 | sebbs | its craaaazy |
04:33.58 | sebbs | but symbian :( :( |
04:33.59 | ALoGeNo | oh yes! |
04:33.59 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:34.06 | sebbs | its really nice though |
04:34.08 | sebbs | REALLY nice |
04:34.11 | ALoGeNo | is a full copy of the htc machines.. |
04:34.11 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:34.19 | ALoGeNo | is like my TYTN |
04:34.20 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:34.45 | sebbs | its very good though, i saw it the other day at the nokia meeting |
04:34.48 | ALoGeNo | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes |
04:34.52 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
04:35.10 | sebbs | what resolution screen? |
04:35.14 | sebbs | thats what i want |
04:35.19 | ALoGeNo | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser |
04:35.31 | ALoGeNo | hermes is QVGA |
04:35.35 | ALoGeNo | 320x240 |
04:35.40 | ALoGeNo | kaiser i dunno.. |
04:35.44 | sebbs | :( |
04:35.47 | ALoGeNo | i think the same. |
04:35.56 | sebbs | wow they are nice |
04:36.09 | sebbs | they are good on the go |
04:36.12 | sebbs | not very big |
04:36.13 | sebbs | its good |
04:36.15 | ALoGeNo | .Display: 2.8", 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight |
04:36.19 | sebbs | :( |
04:36.19 | ALoGeNo | kaiser.. |
04:36.24 | sebbs | too bad |
04:36.50 | sebbs | what about the HP ones? |
04:36.56 | ALoGeNo | 2.8-inch QVGA screen (flips automatically to landscape mode when opened) 320 x 240 , 65k colour |
04:36.59 | ALoGeNo | hermes |
04:37.06 | ALoGeNo | same screen |
04:37.09 | sebbs | wonder if there are any HP PDA+gsm that runs linux |
04:37.16 | sebbs | 320x240 reminds me of quake1 |
04:37.17 | sebbs | ^^ |
04:37.28 | ALoGeNo | i dunno this machines.. :P |
04:37.55 | ALoGeNo | i was have the hp1940 |
04:38.09 | ALoGeNo | but i sold that to buy the tytn |
04:38.19 | sebbs | tytn? |
04:38.25 | ALoGeNo | htc hermes |
04:38.28 | sebbs | oh |
04:38.41 | sebbs | you running linux on it? |
04:38.53 | ALoGeNo | tytn =htc hermes and tytnII = htc kaiser |
04:39.03 | ALoGeNo | nono |
04:39.11 | sebbs | ah ok |
04:39.11 | ALoGeNo | in hermes nope.. |
04:39.40 | ALoGeNo | im running linux in the universal only one.. |
04:39.49 | sebbs | ok |
04:40.13 | ALoGeNo | and in the nec mobile pro 900c but it is another history |
04:40.26 | sebbs | touch pro has good resolutio |
04:40.37 | ALoGeNo | i dunno |
04:40.39 | ALoGeNo | HD? |
04:40.43 | ALoGeNo | touch pro HD? |
04:40.50 | sebbs | HTC Touch Pro |
04:40.58 | sebbs | ah its the HTC Raphael |
04:41.01 | sebbs | it says on wikipedia |
04:41.07 | sebbs | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch_Pro |
04:41.13 | sebbs | but i dont think it supports linux :( |
04:41.18 | ALoGeNo | htc raphael is touch pro? |
04:41.30 | sebbs | "The HTC Touch Pro (also known as the HTC Raphael) is a family of Internet-enabled Windows Mobile Pocket PC smartphones designed and marketed by High Tech Computer Corporation of Taiwan. " |
04:41.34 | sebbs | looks like it |
04:43.04 | ALoGeNo | you are in the rigth.. |
04:43.05 | ALoGeNo | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond |
04:43.21 | ALoGeNo | this is code named VICTOR |
04:43.27 | ALoGeNo | not raphael |
04:44.01 | ALoGeNo | Screen resolution: 480x640 pixels at 287 ppi, 3:4 aspect ratio |
04:44.09 | ALoGeNo | the raphael.. is not bad.. |
04:44.55 | ALoGeNo | but 2.8" |
04:45.14 | ALoGeNo | look at the uni 3.7" VGA Screen (64k-color 640x480 Transflective TFT) |
04:45.18 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
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04:50.05 | sebbs | hmm |
04:50.20 | sebbs | yeah |
04:50.23 | sebbs | damn |
04:50.26 | sebbs | that screen is big |
04:50.28 | sebbs | ok |
04:50.31 | sebbs | dude you are right |
04:50.40 | sebbs | but its true |
04:50.44 | sebbs | without the wifi it wont work for me |
04:50.51 | sebbs | i need wifi |
04:51.25 | sebbs | what is iphones screen |
04:51.27 | sebbs | is it good? |
04:51.32 | sebbs | i mean resolution |
04:51.35 | sebbs | its the same no? |
04:51.51 | sebbs | iphone screen == htc universal screen |
04:51.53 | sebbs | ? |
04:53.06 | sebbs | ALoGeNo: can you run mplayer on it? |
04:53.12 | sebbs | without it lagging |
04:53.14 | sebbs | ? |
04:54.00 | ALoGeNo | yep in the uni? |
04:54.24 | ALoGeNo | yep the uni have 512Mhz procesor.. |
04:54.24 | sebbs | yea |
04:54.31 | sebbs | 512 is good |
04:54.38 | ALoGeNo | yep |
04:54.42 | sebbs | you can do alot with 512 |
04:54.51 | sebbs | how about swapping to disk? |
04:54.59 | sebbs | i mean when the ram gets full it starts swapping to disk |
04:55.00 | ALoGeNo | my laptop is a ibm thinkpad celeron at 500Mhz |
04:55.01 | ALoGeNo | XD |
04:55.15 | sebbs | my laptop is a thinkpad too :D |
04:55.52 | ALoGeNo | what you mean with swap? |
04:56.13 | sebbs | when the ram gets full on the phone |
04:56.14 | ALoGeNo | if the SD card is quickly the swap is quickly.. |
04:56.17 | sebbs | linux starts swapping |
04:56.27 | sebbs | to disk |
04:56.41 | ALoGeNo | the disk is the SD ^^ |
04:56.44 | sebbs | usually that slows down IO alot |
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04:57.10 | ALoGeNo | oh.. i dunno enougth obout that i think :P |
04:57.10 | sebbs | because you are using your application doing things and writing to disk+because the swap is full you are writing to disk |
04:57.38 | sebbs | so I/O load gets higher |
04:57.39 | ALoGeNo | i feel that the uni runs like a charm ^^ |
04:57.46 | sebbs | does it :) |
04:58.00 | sebbs | its the same cpu like openmoko |
04:58.12 | ALoGeNo | i was used that without swap, i was discovered that a few weeks a go xD |
04:58.52 | sebbs | does your ram get full all the time? |
04:58.56 | sebbs | do you get problems from the low ram>? |
04:59.07 | ALoGeNo | but the opekmoko phone isnt the same that neorunner??? |
04:59.20 | sebbs | yes neorunner i mean |
04:59.24 | sebbs | openmoko is the Os i think |
04:59.28 | ALoGeNo | kk np |
04:59.58 | ALoGeNo | im made to work with slow machines.. |
05:00.09 | sebbs | my phone now has gps+wifi working |
05:00.17 | ALoGeNo | and i dont feel nothing werid in the uni ^^ |
05:00.27 | ALoGeNo | weird* |
05:00.40 | ALoGeNo | strange i mean.. |
05:01.15 | sebbs | i understand |
05:01.22 | ALoGeNo | in my opinion the uni works like a charm at all, less the wifi ^^ |
05:01.40 | sebbs | im wondering if i would want to change. i will miss gps |
05:01.45 | sebbs | gps is great |
05:01.49 | sebbs | and fun |
05:01.57 | sebbs | geotagging photos |
05:02.09 | sebbs | you never are lost |
05:02.10 | sebbs | :D |
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05:02.20 | ALoGeNo | heheh yep |
05:02.35 | ALoGeNo | i use external GPS ^^ BT GPS i mean ^^ |
05:03.00 | sebbs | hmm, what kind of external device? |
05:03.01 | sebbs | how big? |
05:03.32 | ALoGeNo | clip-on fortuna GPS |
05:04.18 | ALoGeNo | 3cmx3cm and 5 or 6cm long. |
05:04.53 | sebbs | do you have a screenshot/ |
05:05.36 | ALoGeNo | http://www.gpspassion.com/pics/bluetooth/clip/clip5.jpg |
05:06.02 | sebbs | is it big? |
05:06.03 | ALoGeNo | http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/fortuna-clip-on/fortuna-clip-on.jpg |
05:06.14 | ALoGeNo | 5cm |
05:06.23 | sebbs | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2050/1925046421_0a0a638b54.jpg |
05:06.26 | sebbs | from nokia |
05:06.30 | sebbs | they have one too |
05:06.39 | sebbs | they say its more accurate then the built in ones in phones |
05:06.47 | sebbs | i could trade if i was to get one of those |
05:06.52 | ALoGeNo | wow nice gadget |
05:06.53 | sebbs | so gps is not a issue |
05:07.08 | sebbs | it uses bluetooth |
05:07.18 | sebbs | ive not tried it, but i mean it should work on the htc |
05:07.18 | ALoGeNo | aha |
05:07.31 | ALoGeNo | yep sure... |
05:07.57 | sebbs | and i should be able to find gps apps for the uni |
05:08.03 | sebbs | since it has debian packages |
05:08.10 | ALoGeNo | give me a second... i need cafeine ^^ |
05:08.15 | sebbs | :) |
05:08.19 | ALoGeNo | 6:00am here ^^ |
05:08.19 | sebbs | enjoy |
05:08.24 | sebbs | where are you? |
05:08.28 | ALoGeNo | spain |
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05:08.30 | sebbs | me too |
05:08.33 | sebbs | hehe |
05:08.38 | ALoGeNo | eres español? |
05:08.39 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:08.40 | sebbs | <-- barcelona |
05:08.43 | ALoGeNo | joder |
05:08.44 | sebbs | un pocito |
05:08.53 | ALoGeNo | y yo rompiendome los cuernos q no tengo ni zorra de ingles |
05:08.53 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:08.54 | sebbs | i am not spanish |
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05:08.56 | sebbs | :) |
05:09.05 | sebbs | como es rompiendome |
05:09.19 | sebbs | y como es zorra |
05:09.21 | ALoGeNo | breaking my self.. |
05:09.22 | ALoGeNo | ? |
05:09.28 | sebbs | hehe suck at spanish |
05:09.37 | sebbs | im still learning |
05:09.45 | ALoGeNo | ni zorra idea is like no fuck idea.. |
05:09.53 | sebbs | hehe |
05:10.20 | sebbs | why do you say |
05:10.21 | ALoGeNo | and rompiendome is breaking me self ^^ |
05:10.22 | sebbs | zorra |
05:10.24 | sebbs | fox |
05:10.27 | ALoGeNo | yes |
05:10.29 | sebbs | i have no fox in english |
05:10.33 | sebbs | does that mean skill? |
05:10.39 | ALoGeNo | fox zorra puta bitch ^^ |
05:10.47 | sebbs | haha |
05:10.48 | sebbs | zorra == puta? |
05:10.52 | ALoGeNo | yes |
05:10.53 | ALoGeNo | ;D |
05:10.57 | sebbs | zorra in english is a good thing |
05:11.05 | sebbs | if a girl is a fox, its like "wow, a fox" |
05:11.07 | sebbs | lol |
05:11.27 | ALoGeNo | yeah in spanish zorro is a man that know many things.. |
05:11.42 | sebbs | and what do you mean the horns |
05:11.48 | sebbs | you broke the horns? |
05:11.56 | sebbs | haha spanish is such a good language |
05:12.04 | ALoGeNo | but a if you say zorra to a woman that means.. bitch |
05:12.08 | sebbs | ah |
05:12.23 | ALoGeNo | yeah |
05:12.27 | ALoGeNo | breaking horns.. |
05:12.28 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:12.32 | sebbs | what does that mean |
05:12.34 | ALoGeNo | like the bulls.. you know? |
05:12.35 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
05:12.36 | sebbs | ah |
05:13.05 | sebbs | haha damn funny |
05:13.06 | ALoGeNo | if you are a bull, you can broke your horns.. with a wall.. by example.. |
05:13.06 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:13.11 | sebbs | i will tell my brothe rtomorrow |
05:13.17 | sebbs | HAHA |
05:13.29 | sebbs | ah if i break my horns |
05:13.34 | sebbs | haha thats great |
05:13.36 | ALoGeNo | then we say here.. that we are breaking the horns when we are doing a hard work or so.. |
05:13.36 | sebbs | i get it now |
05:13.37 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
05:13.47 | sebbs | cool, good to know |
05:13.51 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
05:14.33 | sebbs | what are you doing up this late |
05:14.37 | sebbs | or early |
05:14.38 | ALoGeNo | that means that im doing a big effort to speak on english ^^ |
05:14.48 | ALoGeNo | yo me rompo los cuernos hablando ingles.. |
05:14.49 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:14.49 | sebbs | haha yeah i understand |
05:15.03 | sebbs | i appriciate the effort |
05:15.10 | sebbs | you would not understand me if i wrote in spanish |
05:15.21 | ALoGeNo | is like knok the wall with the head.. |
05:15.22 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:15.25 | sebbs | i look spanish so people speak spanish to me all the time |
05:15.38 | sebbs | beautiful latina girls speak to me and i dont know wha tto say haha |
05:15.48 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:15.51 | sebbs | im learning though everyday |
05:15.52 | sebbs | :) |
05:16.01 | ALoGeNo | thats nice hehe.. |
05:16.11 | sebbs | i speak 6 languages, so i should learn it in a few years |
05:16.22 | ALoGeNo | i learn english to run my fucking acx in the uni XD |
05:16.29 | ALoGeNo | but no results.. xD |
05:16.36 | sebbs | i know how to say permite fumar una porro |
05:16.44 | ALoGeNo | jajajajajajajajaajaj |
05:16.48 | ALoGeNo | hahahahahahah |
05:16.49 | sebbs | :D |
05:17.00 | ALoGeNo | me puedo fumar un porro? |
05:17.12 | ALoGeNo | te importa si me fumo un porro?¿ |
05:17.27 | ALoGeNo | te molestaria que me fumara un porro..? |
05:17.32 | ALoGeNo | :) |
05:17.35 | sebbs | ah |
05:17.50 | ALoGeNo | yo me voy hacer un porro ahora mismo |
05:17.51 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:17.54 | sebbs | how do i say |
05:17.55 | sebbs | ;et us |
05:17.56 | sebbs | let us |
05:17.58 | sebbs | vamos ? |
05:18.00 | ALoGeNo | de maria.. |
05:18.00 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:18.08 | ALoGeNo | meriyein..! |
05:18.11 | ALoGeNo | marijuana ^^ |
05:18.14 | sebbs | lets do something |
05:18.17 | sebbs | how do you say that |
05:18.37 | ALoGeNo | let us? |
05:18.40 | sebbs | yes like lets go |
05:18.40 | ALoGeNo | what you mean? |
05:18.43 | sebbs | or lets smoke |
05:18.46 | sebbs | or lets walk |
05:18.46 | ALoGeNo | try to say that on spanish.. |
05:19.07 | sebbs | its mos i think |
05:19.09 | ALoGeNo | ah vale.. |
05:19.10 | sebbs | you say "mos" |
05:19.17 | ALoGeNo | vamos.. |
05:19.18 | sebbs | fumamos |
05:19.22 | ALoGeNo | si |
05:19.24 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:19.25 | sebbs | bueno :) |
05:19.31 | ALoGeNo | come on.. |
05:19.33 | sebbs | yea |
05:19.34 | ALoGeNo | xD |
05:19.35 | sebbs | hehe |
05:19.43 | ALoGeNo | vamos a fumarnos un porro |
05:19.53 | ALoGeNo | o vamos a fumarnos un canuto |
05:19.56 | sebbs | can you say that? |
05:20.00 | ALoGeNo | o vamos a fumarnos un peta |
05:20.01 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
05:20.08 | ALoGeNo | is the same thing |
05:20.24 | sebbs | canuto? |
05:20.45 | sebbs | horns? |
05:20.47 | sebbs | haha |
05:20.57 | ALoGeNo | porro canuto peta mai fly... |
05:21.04 | ALoGeNo | is the same.. |
05:21.15 | sebbs | como es peta? |
05:21.31 | ALoGeNo | peta comes from petardo |
05:21.51 | ALoGeNo | petardos are the fireworks ^^ |
05:22.05 | sebbs | explicar petardo |
05:22.06 | sebbs | ah |
05:22.35 | sebbs | funny expression |
05:22.37 | sebbs | horns |
05:22.39 | sebbs | i will remember that |
05:22.40 | ALoGeNo | yep |
05:22.46 | sebbs | they say cabron alot too |
05:22.46 | ALoGeNo | the french say petard |
05:22.47 | sebbs | goat |
05:23.08 | ALoGeNo | yes cabron is like bastard.. |
05:23.12 | sebbs | yea |
05:23.20 | ALoGeNo | but isnt the same thing |
05:23.43 | sebbs | my friend sayd cabron means "a man whos woman is fucking another man, and he knows about it" |
05:23.56 | ALoGeNo | the cabron lets his wife to fuck with th others.. |
05:23.56 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
05:24.03 | sebbs | but if you smile its a good thing |
05:24.06 | ALoGeNo | and you know that bastard isnt that.. |
05:24.09 | sebbs | but never to say it to a puerto rican |
05:24.29 | ALoGeNo | yes |
05:24.35 | sebbs | because for them its a very abd word and they get reaaaaaaaally pissed |
05:24.40 | sebbs | :O |
05:24.58 | ALoGeNo | but we say cabron like the man that fuck with many woman and left at next day.. |
05:25.21 | sebbs | yea |
05:25.28 | ALoGeNo | is like the most cabron is the most dangerous... |
05:25.49 | sebbs | vale :) |
05:25.50 | ALoGeNo | the bad guy.. you call they cabron.. |
05:25.55 | sebbs | haha |
05:25.57 | ALoGeNo | ;) |
05:26.09 | sebbs | http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/03/external-gps-vs-internal-gps.html |
05:26.25 | sebbs | whats the battery time on the uni |
05:26.31 | ALoGeNo | but you can say that only to your bros becose another can think bad about... |
05:26.35 | sebbs | running linux |
05:26.45 | sebbs | yea |
05:27.07 | ALoGeNo | i have the 4800mha |
05:27.20 | ALoGeNo | and i have that 8h or so.. |
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05:27.38 | sebbs | running what? |
05:27.51 | sebbs | are you using cpufreq etc? |
05:27.59 | ALoGeNo | wifi |
05:28.11 | sebbs | thats good |
05:28.14 | ALoGeNo | the cpu freq is allwais the same in linux |
05:28.24 | sebbs | so you are not scaling it |
05:28.32 | ALoGeNo | not now in linux |
05:28.41 | ALoGeNo | (i think) |
05:28.42 | sebbs | so you could get alot better battery time |
05:28.57 | ALoGeNo | yeah more than a laptop |
05:29.07 | ALoGeNo | much more.. |
05:29.13 | sebbs | what about without wifi |
05:29.16 | sebbs | does it work long |
05:29.17 | sebbs | ? |
05:29.18 | ALoGeNo | let me take a cofee.. |
05:29.21 | sebbs | sure |
05:29.23 | sebbs | enjoy |
05:29.32 | ALoGeNo | back in 2 min |
05:29.39 | sebbs | cool |
05:34.26 | ALoGeNo | hey sebbs |
05:34.35 | ALoGeNo | you said that you are in barcelona? |
05:35.12 | sebbs | yea |
05:36.03 | ALoGeNo | working? |
05:36.14 | ALoGeNo | but you are fomr the states? or what? |
05:36.18 | ALoGeNo | from* |
05:36.30 | sebbs | naw not the states |
05:36.41 | sebbs | i used to live in london before i came here |
05:36.51 | sebbs | im born in scandinavia though |
05:37.12 | sebbs | my dad is indian, so thats why i speak english |
05:38.19 | ALoGeNo | oh that is nice ^^ |
05:38.29 | ALoGeNo | indian from india i supose ^^ |
05:38.34 | sebbs | yes |
05:38.42 | ALoGeNo | that is nice :) |
05:38.48 | sebbs | my mother is finnish |
05:38.57 | ALoGeNo | cool |
05:39.01 | sebbs | but i was raised in sweden |
05:39.15 | sebbs | then moved to london, then to ireland, and from there i came here |
05:39.18 | sebbs | needed sun ^^ |
05:39.19 | ALoGeNo | wow.. nice history ^^^ |
05:39.52 | sebbs | and now im looking for a phone hehe |
05:40.04 | ALoGeNo | im from here from castilla la mancha |
05:40.24 | sebbs | i work from home as a sysadmin/system architect so i need a machine i can ssh from, and code on at times |
05:40.31 | sebbs | ah castilla la mancha |
05:40.43 | ALoGeNo | is at rigth of comunidad madrileña ^^ |
05:40.59 | ALoGeNo | comunidad de madrid ** |
05:41.05 | sebbs | left from valencia i think |
05:41.09 | sebbs | iirc |
05:41.13 | ALoGeNo | yep exactly |
05:41.18 | sebbs | :) |
05:41.22 | ALoGeNo | :) |
05:41.36 | sebbs | ive not been anywhere but barcelona |
05:41.42 | sebbs | im gonna travel more next year |
05:41.48 | sebbs | too much work this year |
05:41.53 | ALoGeNo | barcelona city or provincia? |
05:41.56 | sebbs | city |
05:42.00 | sebbs | poble sec |
05:42.02 | sebbs | atm |
05:42.10 | ALoGeNo | poble sec? |
05:42.11 | sebbs | lived in barrio gothico before |
05:42.16 | ALoGeNo | ah okey |
05:42.18 | sebbs | i like barcelona alot |
05:42.25 | sebbs | but too much turists |
05:42.27 | sebbs | ^^ |
05:42.28 | ALoGeNo | yeah is nice |
05:42.53 | ALoGeNo | all is full of turistas and no tan turistas.. ( i mean inmigrants hehe) |
05:43.26 | sebbs | where did you find that phone for 150? |
05:43.34 | ALoGeNo | all of us are turistas in the world ^^ |
05:43.39 | sebbs | very true |
05:43.45 | sebbs | we are all nomads |
05:43.50 | sebbs | most of us at least |
05:43.51 | ALoGeNo | exactly ^^ |
05:43.59 | ALoGeNo | on ebay |
05:44.05 | sebbs | spanish ebay? |
05:44.10 | ALoGeNo | yes |
05:44.15 | sebbs | cool |
05:44.24 | ALoGeNo | maybe more cheaper.. |
05:44.33 | ALoGeNo | if you look for europe.. |
05:44.54 | ALoGeNo | maybe 100 |
05:45.09 | ALoGeNo | 120... |
05:45.21 | sebbs | it would be cool to buy it, get a big flashdisk, add RAM and get a new battery |
05:45.27 | sebbs | but i wonder how much that would cost |
05:45.38 | sebbs | i would use that machine for like 10 years |
05:45.43 | sebbs | if it ran linux |
05:46.20 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
05:46.27 | sebbs | http://cgi.ebay.es/Qtek-9000-Grundig-GR980-Htc-Universal-estropeada_W0QQitemZ180310954909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_186?hash=item180310954909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A895|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 |
05:46.39 | sebbs | oh and i will have to buy a gps dongle too |
05:46.46 | sebbs | its alot of stuff to buy extra :( |
05:47.06 | sebbs | "bateria original, bateria de ampliación de 3000" |
05:47.39 | ALoGeNo | "estropeada" |
05:47.52 | sebbs | seems byea |
05:47.54 | sebbs | yea |
05:48.14 | ALoGeNo | estropeada is broke |
05:48.25 | sebbs | i thought roto was broke |
05:48.48 | ALoGeNo | dont chager over USB you need charge with external garger.., USB not work at all.. |
05:48.59 | sebbs | ah :( thats not good |
05:49.01 | ALoGeNo | charger* |
05:49.06 | sebbs | can you charge over usb and use it the same time? |
05:49.12 | ALoGeNo | yes |
05:49.14 | sebbs | :D |
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05:50.05 | ALoGeNo | but theys recomends to charge that with the own charger becose is more powerfull and is much better to the battery.. |
05:50.41 | ALoGeNo | but yes.. you can |
05:51.40 | sebbs | thats good |
05:56.42 | ALoGeNo | is more spensive the universal now |
05:56.42 | ALoGeNo | XD |
05:57.09 | ALoGeNo | this is for the xda-forum ^^ |
05:58.20 | ALoGeNo | ppl knows that you can put linux in that, and give up the prices.. |
05:58.42 | ALoGeNo | subir los precios is getting up the prices no? |
05:58.53 | sebbs | yes |
05:58.56 | sebbs | it is :) |
05:59.04 | ALoGeNo | ppl knows that you can put linux in that, and getting* up the prices.. |
05:59.05 | ALoGeNo | xD |
05:59.09 | sebbs | im trying to find the phone but as you say its more expensive now |
05:59.16 | sebbs | i would buy it ready modded though |
05:59.18 | ALoGeNo | sip |
05:59.25 | sebbs | if it had the ram etc |
05:59.37 | sebbs | yea |
05:59.54 | ALoGeNo | i dont think that you can find some uni modded ^^ |
06:00.12 | sebbs | nobody would sell it |
06:00.45 | ALoGeNo | the ppl that have that with 128MB knows that they have in his hands ^^ |
06:01.40 | ALoGeNo | and shimomura now a few moth back was compiled a new kernel with 128MB support becose him was updated his uni ^^ |
06:02.07 | sebbs | thats cool |
06:02.08 | sebbs | :) |
06:02.25 | ALoGeNo | this guy http://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal |
06:02.53 | ALoGeNo | this is the main source of info for the uni and debian.. |
06:03.07 | sebbs | ah yea |
06:03.08 | ALoGeNo | and later titchy webpage.. |
06:03.47 | ALoGeNo | but this guy did a nice work with debian and uni.. |
06:04.25 | ALoGeNo | now we need new kernel |
06:05.01 | sebbs | how often do new versions of the kernel come ? |
06:05.31 | ALoGeNo | como? |
06:05.49 | ALoGeNo | often? |
06:05.56 | ALoGeNo | what you mean? |
06:05.57 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
06:06.45 | sebbs | oh now i see what you mean |
06:06.48 | sebbs | i missunderstood |
06:07.05 | ALoGeNo | mix the maria with the tobacco... |
06:07.19 | sebbs | ^^ |
06:07.28 | ALoGeNo | oki |
06:07.32 | sebbs | sin tobbacco |
06:07.42 | sebbs | solo maria |
06:07.44 | ALoGeNo | nopes im poor |
06:07.49 | sebbs | aww :( |
06:08.21 | sebbs | las semillas crecen |
06:08.27 | ALoGeNo | and if you smoke marihuana only, you cant do anything more |
06:08.28 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:08.52 | sebbs | :D yea you start chatting with people on freenode |
06:09.00 | sebbs | and forget what you where supposed to do |
06:09.02 | sebbs | ^^ |
06:09.17 | ALoGeNo | here we do the joints like the hachis joints.. with tobacco |
06:10.02 | sebbs | el tabaco es peligroso |
06:10.12 | sebbs | is it peligroso? |
06:10.15 | sebbs | dangerous |
06:10.16 | ALoGeNo | 6le pasa el1 <¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯4))º²º²°` 6a12 sebbs 6pa ke le de una kaladilla |
06:10.22 | ALoGeNo | xDDD |
06:10.23 | sebbs | haha |
06:10.28 | ALoGeNo | si |
06:10.29 | sebbs | LOL |
06:10.31 | ALoGeNo | peligroso |
06:10.33 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
06:10.45 | sebbs | now i gotta roll one |
06:10.50 | sebbs | am starting work at 12 |
06:10.54 | ALoGeNo | mr too |
06:11.06 | ALoGeNo | me* |
06:11.07 | sebbs | muy frio out |
06:11.18 | ALoGeNo | rolling not work at 12 ^^ |
06:11.25 | sebbs | hehe |
06:11.30 | ALoGeNo | yep hace mucho frio |
06:11.51 | sebbs | is it muy or mucho |
06:11.54 | ALoGeNo | hace mucho frio fuera |
06:12.15 | ALoGeNo | mucho |
06:12.28 | sebbs | hace? |
06:13.05 | ALoGeNo | si |
06:13.15 | sebbs | como es hace |
06:13.36 | ALoGeNo | vosotros decis... |
06:13.44 | ALoGeNo | esta muy frio fuera.. |
06:13.59 | sebbs | ah si vale |
06:14.01 | ALoGeNo | nosotros decimos esta haciendo mucho frio fuera.. |
06:14.21 | ALoGeNo | pero en vez de esta haciendo que es un verbo compuesto usamos un verbo simple.. |
06:14.28 | ALoGeNo | hace |
06:14.29 | sebbs | y tu decis mucho |
06:14.36 | ALoGeNo | si |
06:15.01 | sebbs | ah |
06:15.16 | sebbs | im using my dictionary everytime i dont know a word |
06:15.35 | ALoGeNo | esta haciendo = en este momento hace |
06:15.47 | ALoGeNo | pero solo decimos hace mucho frio.. |
06:15.58 | ALoGeNo | y no en este momento esta haciendo |
06:16.37 | ALoGeNo | i havent superior school.. |
06:16.38 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:16.45 | sebbs | i fot it |
06:16.47 | sebbs | got |
06:16.54 | sebbs | i have not either |
06:16.56 | ALoGeNo | i was lear english by my self.. |
06:17.06 | sebbs | and i am learning spanish myself too |
06:17.13 | ALoGeNo | nice ^^ |
06:17.15 | sebbs | i took spanish in school |
06:17.23 | sebbs | but i smoked too much porro :P |
06:17.24 | ALoGeNo | me french |
06:17.24 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:17.31 | sebbs | ^^ |
06:17.36 | sebbs | here they speak catalan |
06:17.43 | ALoGeNo | yes me smoke a lot too ^^ |
06:17.44 | sebbs | eveyrthing is catalan |
06:17.56 | ALoGeNo | but later with 17 years old.. |
06:18.06 | sebbs | with? |
06:18.10 | sebbs | when |
06:18.19 | ALoGeNo | and my phater left me of school with 13 years old.. |
06:18.29 | ALoGeNo | father^ |
06:18.54 | ALoGeNo | now im 37 years old ^^ |
06:19.01 | sebbs | ^^ |
06:19.23 | sebbs | time goes quickly |
06:19.26 | ALoGeNo | but never is later to learn ^^ |
06:19.28 | sebbs | flysby |
06:19.33 | sebbs | very true |
06:20.06 | sebbs | damn its cold out |
06:20.12 | ALoGeNo | yep.. |
06:20.43 | sebbs | im gonna think about the uni since the wifi is not working |
06:20.45 | ALoGeNo | 3º |
06:21.00 | sebbs | thats cold |
06:21.06 | ALoGeNo | dont get the uni becose still without end.. |
06:21.17 | sebbs | yea |
06:21.23 | sebbs | i will keep a eye on it |
06:21.25 | ALoGeNo | but the problem is.. then.. what..? |
06:21.52 | sebbs | im gonna have to create a python script for exporting my stuff from my n95 |
06:21.58 | ALoGeNo | im dream with G1 but very spensive |
06:21.59 | sebbs | till i get a new phone |
06:22.14 | sebbs | but it uses a locked down version of android |
06:22.21 | sebbs | you dont have root on the system |
06:22.29 | ALoGeNo | and with that you say of the hack method by now dont cool.. |
06:22.45 | sebbs | but it was a security flaw in one version of the firmware |
06:22.51 | sebbs | it has been updated now and the hole is secure |
06:22.52 | sebbs | :( |
06:23.10 | ALoGeNo | fucking google.. |
06:23.14 | ALoGeNo | np.. |
06:23.58 | sebbs | http://hackaday.com/2008/11/11/running-debian-and-android-on-the-g1/ |
06:24.05 | ALoGeNo | you will see that, when google beging to see that if the ppl cant hack the phone dont buy nothing.. |
06:24.31 | ALoGeNo | you will see how theys do something wrong to can hack it.. |
06:24.36 | ALoGeNo | like the iphone.. |
06:24.38 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:24.40 | sebbs | haha you can get root access through telnet |
06:24.58 | sebbs | iphone will run linux soon |
06:25.03 | sebbs | they are working on it |
06:25.03 | ALoGeNo | and you have the kernel source over there.. |
06:25.11 | sebbs | i would buy the iphone if i ran only linux on it |
06:25.13 | ALoGeNo | yep.. |
06:25.17 | sebbs | but no qwerty |
06:25.21 | ALoGeNo | nop |
06:25.22 | sebbs | i dont like touchscreens |
06:25.27 | ALoGeNo | and marvell of the shit.. |
06:25.28 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:25.42 | sebbs | i have a x61 tablet and i dont use the screen so much |
06:25.45 | sebbs | keyboard is alot better |
06:25.49 | ALoGeNo | the wifi chipset is a marvell like the psp and ps3.. |
06:25.51 | sebbs | i dont like guy |
06:25.53 | sebbs | gui |
06:25.57 | ALoGeNo | dont support mode monitor.. |
06:26.55 | ALoGeNo | the iphone/ipod touch is nice.. but the querty is a important part of the game ^^ |
06:26.55 | sebbs | i would get the g1 if it ran debian |
06:26.58 | sebbs | i mean for real |
06:27.03 | sebbs | not r00ted |
06:27.16 | ALoGeNo | yes.. me too.. |
06:27.21 | sebbs | specially when writing long stuff |
06:27.31 | ALoGeNo | but only if that cost that they say.. |
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06:27.35 | ALoGeNo | 120 |
06:27.36 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:27.49 | sebbs | i use my phone at work, like if i go out and am at a resturant i can use their wifi and check my email |
06:28.04 | sebbs | just download the headers to see if thre is anything important happening |
06:28.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4900 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
06:28.06 | cdbot2 | * * efreet-0.5.0.043+svnr37395-autobuild |
06:28.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4900 |
06:29.04 | ALoGeNo | check my unis mod |
06:29.05 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
06:29.05 | ALoGeNo | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30871603@N06/sets/72157607495014144/detail/ |
06:29.44 | ALoGeNo | and is very very easy to do ^^ |
06:29.56 | sebbs | haha antenna? |
06:30.01 | ALoGeNo | yep |
06:30.11 | ALoGeNo | external antenna |
06:30.13 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
06:30.13 | sebbs | for the wifi or what? |
06:30.19 | ALoGeNo | yep |
06:30.23 | sebbs | sweet |
06:30.29 | sebbs | your running windows though |
06:30.35 | ALoGeNo | yep |
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06:30.42 | sebbs | why |
06:30.56 | ALoGeNo | becose i cant do the test with a wifi that not work at all in linus |
06:30.59 | ALoGeNo | linux^ |
06:31.14 | sebbs | oh at all |
06:31.29 | sebbs | i thought you said it went up and down |
06:31.50 | sebbs | or that you fixed it by using the command ifup and down |
06:31.55 | sebbs | resetting it |
06:32.04 | ALoGeNo | this videos are of my uni |
06:32.04 | ALoGeNo | http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&resnum=0&q=debian%20htc%20universal&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv# |
06:32.05 | sebbs | dude i am baked |
06:32.13 | sebbs | hehe u love your uni |
06:32.32 | ALoGeNo | this 2 videos are the uni with debian,.. |
06:32.41 | ALoGeNo | my uni |
06:32.41 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:32.49 | ALoGeNo | and my crapped videos x |
06:32.50 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:32.57 | sebbs | wow dude |
06:33.00 | sebbs | thats cool |
06:33.09 | ALoGeNo | yep i told you ^^ |
06:33.22 | sebbs | shit |
06:33.30 | sebbs | its quick too |
06:33.33 | ALoGeNo | but im bored with the acx :/ |
06:33.35 | sebbs | X just flashed up |
06:33.55 | sebbs | its quick |
06:33.59 | ALoGeNo | yes |
06:34.09 | ALoGeNo | imagine that with 128MB |
06:34.27 | sebbs | you could run mutt on it without any problems at all |
06:34.30 | sebbs | :D :D |
06:34.34 | ALoGeNo | mutt? |
06:34.38 | sebbs | emailclient |
06:34.41 | ALoGeNo | i can find that in atp? |
06:34.43 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:34.49 | ALoGeNo | apt* |
06:35.11 | sebbs | http://wiki.mutt.org/?back=/ScreenShots |
06:35.14 | sebbs | yea |
06:35.15 | ALoGeNo | if it is in the apt repo it can run it.. |
06:35.20 | sebbs | textbased |
06:35.23 | sebbs | and terminator |
06:35.28 | sebbs | and wyrd |
06:35.33 | ALoGeNo | :) |
06:35.42 | sebbs | and kismet |
06:35.46 | sebbs | man you can do aloot |
06:35.54 | sebbs | such a great phone |
06:35.55 | ALoGeNo | i was run the apache in the uni.. |
06:36.15 | sebbs | it should work ok |
06:36.21 | ALoGeNo | yes kismet works like a charm.. |
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06:36.27 | sebbs | 500mhz+128 ram is well enough |
06:36.29 | ALoGeNo | but wifi hangs ^^ |
06:36.32 | sebbs | yea |
06:36.35 | ALoGeNo | si |
06:36.45 | ALoGeNo | con 128MB de puta madre ;D |
06:36.48 | sebbs | why not use the old kernel till they fix it |
06:36.52 | sebbs | hah si |
06:37.00 | ALoGeNo | no.. |
06:37.11 | ALoGeNo | i was tryed aaaaaaaaaaaall the things... |
06:37.15 | ALoGeNo | and nothings.. |
06:37.21 | ALoGeNo | nothing* |
06:37.39 | sebbs | your apt-geting on the phone |
06:38.00 | ALoGeNo | i was try the 2.6.16 and nothing.. |
06:38.03 | ALoGeNo | a little more stable but not much |
06:38.11 | ALoGeNo | yesyes.. |
06:38.23 | ALoGeNo | i was install lenny and later was upgraded by apt to sid ^^ |
06:38.34 | sebbs | cool |
06:38.39 | ALoGeNo | sure.. |
06:38.54 | sebbs | looks like a really neat phone |
06:39.12 | ALoGeNo | but i was have to stay all the time looking for the wifi works.. and when it hang ifdown and ifup.. |
06:39.29 | ALoGeNo | it is.. |
06:39.36 | sebbs | how does it hang? |
06:39.41 | sebbs | what does dmsg say? |
06:39.46 | sebbs | and syslog |
06:40.00 | ALoGeNo | the wifi begging to show a lot of debug text in console.. |
06:40.09 | ALoGeNo | and lost the conection... |
06:40.22 | ALoGeNo | then you must ifdown.. |
06:40.36 | ALoGeNo | ifup.. and the wifi works a little more time... |
06:40.57 | ALoGeNo | and at this way all the time.. |
06:41.03 | sebbs | ah :( |
06:41.08 | ALoGeNo | yep.. |
06:41.12 | ALoGeNo | bored |
06:41.23 | sebbs | perhaps there are module options you could try out |
06:41.29 | sebbs | some parameters |
06:41.30 | ALoGeNo | nope |
06:41.40 | ALoGeNo | nothing to do.. |
06:41.51 | sebbs | cant compile a old module that worked when you got your phone? |
06:42.32 | ALoGeNo | we need solve that issues retouching the module in the kernel source or new kernel and new source... |
06:43.03 | ALoGeNo | and the old kernel is stooped.. becose the new ones have many changes.. |
06:43.03 | sebbs | what changes have been made i mean |
06:43.14 | ALoGeNo | and ppl is working in the news ones.. |
06:43.22 | sebbs | diff those changes and see what has happend |
06:43.35 | sebbs | i dont know anything about modules so i cant help out |
06:43.37 | ALoGeNo | hum... |
06:43.41 | ALoGeNo | many changes.. |
06:43.42 | sebbs | and all that is coded in C or soething |
06:44.10 | sebbs | i dont know C, or i do, but so little its embaressing |
06:44.21 | ALoGeNo | i dunno exactly what.. , but looking in the repos and apply patches i saw that are many many changes.. |
06:45.01 | sebbs | http://hackaday.com/2008/11/05/getting-root-on-the-g1/#comments |
06:45.02 | ALoGeNo | and cr2 and tmz and dcordes (ppl in #htc-linux) told me that.. when i speask about.. |
06:45.07 | sebbs | read the bottom 2 comment |
06:45.24 | sebbs | thats how its gonna be on the G1 |
06:45.29 | ALoGeNo | voy.. |
06:45.35 | sebbs | always waiting for someone to hack the firmware |
06:45.43 | sebbs | and its gonna be really easy |
06:45.49 | sebbs | cos eveyr update fixes a security hole |
06:45.53 | sebbs | and that is always documented |
06:46.05 | sebbs | its just a matter of looking at the changelog and using those errors :) |
06:46.13 | ALoGeNo | the 2 last comments? |
06:46.24 | sebbs | Posted at 2:03 pm on Nov 23rd, 2008 by haNk |
06:46.26 | sebbs | yes |
06:46.28 | sebbs | at the bottom |
06:46.43 | ALoGeNo | bottom abajo.. oki ^^ |
06:46.48 | sebbs | ah yeah |
06:46.50 | sebbs | abajo |
06:47.00 | ALoGeNo | top and bottom ^^ |
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06:47.01 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:47.06 | sebbs | and ariba is up |
06:47.09 | sebbs | no? |
06:47.09 | ALoGeNo | sisi |
06:47.10 | ALoGeNo | xD |
06:47.12 | sebbs | or is that higher? |
06:47.12 | ALoGeNo | oki |
06:47.24 | ALoGeNo | arriba is up.. |
06:47.28 | sebbs | cool |
06:47.32 | ALoGeNo | at top |
06:47.58 | ALoGeNo | at top i think that is en lo alto, en la cima arriba del todo, en lo mas alto |
06:48.38 | ALoGeNo | at the top of himalaya? |
06:48.40 | ALoGeNo | xD |
06:48.42 | ALoGeNo | no? |
06:48.43 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:48.47 | ALoGeNo | or what? |
06:49.15 | sebbs | did you see the last 2 comments |
06:49.19 | sebbs | in that link i sent? |
06:49.22 | sebbs | at the bottom |
06:49.23 | sebbs | abajo |
06:49.46 | sebbs | youcan install a old firmware (the hacked one) and run it |
06:49.51 | sebbs | get root |
06:49.55 | ALoGeNo | hehe yep |
06:50.30 | ALoGeNo | is like the iphone.. and the fonera.. |
06:50.30 | sebbs | how expensive is the g1 here in spain? |
06:50.40 | ALoGeNo | but fonera have ssh |
06:51.17 | ALoGeNo | i was listern that 120 con contrato.. (how is contrato on english?) |
06:51.33 | sebbs | with a contract |
06:51.44 | ALoGeNo | yep maybe.. |
06:51.47 | sebbs | but its not called a contract in english |
06:51.52 | sebbs | its called a carrier i think |
06:52.03 | ALoGeNo | carrier okey.. |
06:52.05 | sebbs | a phone carrier == vodaphone etc |
06:52.14 | ALoGeNo | the fucking paper that you sign... |
06:52.15 | ALoGeNo | XDDDD |
06:52.17 | sebbs | how much is it without |
06:52.23 | sebbs | the paper is a contract |
06:52.27 | sebbs | "contract" in english |
06:52.31 | ALoGeNo | yes.. |
06:52.46 | ALoGeNo | then with contract 120 |
06:52.57 | sebbs | how much is just the phone |
06:53.08 | ALoGeNo | without maybe like in the other places 500 |
06:53.15 | sebbs | shit |
06:53.23 | ALoGeNo | yep |
06:53.29 | sebbs | are the contracts good here in spain? |
06:53.37 | sebbs | in england they are horrible |
06:53.42 | sebbs | expensive |
06:53.50 | ALoGeNo | they wants tobe the enemies of iphone but without lost money |
06:53.50 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:53.55 | ALoGeNo | fucking bastards.. |
06:53.56 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
06:54.13 | sebbs | yea hehe |
06:54.43 | ALoGeNo | here more spensive i think i dunno how is in uk but here are a crew of stolers |
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06:55.20 | ALoGeNo | if you want use 3G forget that.. |
06:55.20 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:55.44 | ALoGeNo | well if you only go to download email with plain txt... its ok.. |
06:56.12 | ALoGeNo | but dont think in suft the wole www xD |
06:56.24 | sebbs | i dont really use 3g |
06:56.29 | ALoGeNo | becose you can get a pain head? |
06:56.38 | ALoGeNo | its okey pain head? |
06:56.39 | ALoGeNo | XD |
06:57.07 | ALoGeNo | is much better take the open wifis or so ^^ |
06:57.26 | sebbs | yea |
06:57.30 | sebbs | i never use 3g |
06:57.36 | sebbs | too expensive |
06:57.39 | sebbs | wifi is alot better |
06:57.59 | sebbs | and on a debian phone i can install a mailserver which would queue up emails |
06:58.07 | sebbs | and then send them when i get on a wifi net |
06:58.12 | sebbs | automagically |
06:58.39 | ALoGeNo | the thing is that you go sign a contract that say that you must to pay a money all the moths calling or not... |
06:58.52 | sebbs | yes thats why i dont want that, i want just the phone |
06:59.12 | ALoGeNo | si |
06:59.19 | ALoGeNo | ese es el tema ^^ |
06:59.34 | ALoGeNo | this is the thing.. |
06:59.38 | ALoGeNo | esa es la cosa.. |
06:59.42 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:00.09 | sebbs | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
07:00.10 | ALoGeNo | espera q aver si lo entiendes.. |
07:00.12 | sebbs | this is a good article |
07:00.19 | ALoGeNo | espera q a ver si lo entiendes..* |
07:00.29 | sebbs | its by the guy who hacked the phone |
07:00.52 | sebbs | i think |
07:01.42 | ALoGeNo | cuando firmas el contrato, tienes que pagar una cantidad de dinero fija todos los meses, entonces si el contrato es por 2 años.., y pagas 40 fijos al mes.., en 2 años son mas de 800 |
07:02.02 | ALoGeNo | 40 calling or not.. |
07:02.21 | ALoGeNo | entiendes? |
07:02.30 | ALoGeNo | you understand? |
07:02.58 | sebbs | si |
07:03.01 | sebbs | <PROTECTED> |
07:03.28 | ALoGeNo | if you pay 20 moth.. more than 400 by the G1 |
07:03.59 | ALoGeNo | later how much pay by the minuts and so.. |
07:04.07 | ALoGeNo | minutes* |
07:04.32 | sebbs | using cash simcards here in spain is very expensive |
07:04.51 | sebbs | i mean if i call someone its very expensive |
07:04.52 | ALoGeNo | i dunno but you have somethink similar with iphone and telefonica mobistar.. |
07:05.10 | ALoGeNo | maybe you know this offer.. |
07:05.18 | ALoGeNo | esa oferta |
07:05.29 | ALoGeNo | this offert? |
07:05.30 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:05.35 | sebbs | yes i think so |
07:05.40 | sebbs | its offert in swedish anyway |
07:05.40 | ALoGeNo | oki |
07:05.43 | sebbs | :) |
07:05.57 | sebbs | "en offert" == "una offerta" |
07:06.02 | ALoGeNo | economical language is a international language.. |
07:06.06 | ALoGeNo | only money.. |
07:06.07 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
07:06.51 | ALoGeNo | let me che the iphone offert for that you check it.. |
07:07.24 | sebbs | i dont like the iphone though |
07:07.31 | sebbs | do you? |
07:08.48 | ALoGeNo | 39 |
07:08.50 | ALoGeNo | moth |
07:08.51 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:08.54 | ALoGeNo | wait.. |
07:09.06 | ALoGeNo | this is a spanish flash |
07:09.19 | ALoGeNo | letme check somethink on english |
07:09.30 | ALoGeNo | something* |
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07:11.43 | ALoGeNo | nopes on english show belgium.. |
07:12.01 | ALoGeNo | http://www.iphone.movistar.es/ |
07:12.18 | ALoGeNo | this is the offerts that you go get here.. |
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07:12.54 | sebbs | iphones are bad though |
07:12.56 | ALoGeNo | and the G1 i think that will have the sames prices.. |
07:13.01 | sebbs | ah ok |
07:13.26 | ALoGeNo | like the n95 at the beggining.. |
07:13.37 | sebbs | problem with the G1 is the firmware needing to be hackable |
07:13.48 | ALoGeNo | aham.. |
07:14.03 | ALoGeNo | yes i show that,.. |
07:14.04 | sebbs | i think im just gonna code my own scripts for the n95 i have and wait for new mobiles to come on the market |
07:14.09 | ALoGeNo | saw* |
07:14.21 | sebbs | i guess this is not a good time to buy a all linux phone yet |
07:14.35 | ALoGeNo | nope |
07:14.36 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:15.33 | ALoGeNo | becose if we need to hack the phone, and later get the GPIOS and all the info testing in the riped chips.. bad thing.. |
07:15.45 | ALoGeNo | that need a lot of time.. |
07:16.03 | ALoGeNo | and ppl that begging and end the work.... and for free... |
07:16.09 | ALoGeNo | and ppl need money.. |
07:17.52 | ALoGeNo | or you have the machine.., you know code in C, and you do your own work... or dont know what will happend with your machine.. |
07:19.46 | ALoGeNo | you can get somthing with linux.. like eeepc or some umpc that comes with ubuntu or whaterver linux |
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07:21.40 | sebbs | ALoGeNo: yeah i have a x61t |
07:21.44 | sebbs | its kinda small |
07:21.45 | sebbs | 14'' |
07:21.51 | sebbs | or was it 13 |
07:21.51 | ALoGeNo | but buy some not native linux machine and hope for a linux distro full working.. maybe now.. is the beggimimg of that time.. becose more ppl is involved with linux in pdas but idunno.. |
07:21.53 | sebbs | i forget |
07:22.26 | sebbs | i think i will wait for the GTA03 phone |
07:22.34 | sebbs | and get that and just live without qwerty |
07:22.38 | sebbs | it has a stylus |
07:22.39 | ALoGeNo | i need someone of that eeepc or so.. to work too.. but im too poor for 400 |
07:22.40 | ALoGeNo | xD |
07:22.50 | sebbs | is it 400 |
07:22.54 | sebbs | thats mcuh |
07:22.58 | sebbs | buy it from america |
07:23.01 | sebbs | order it from there |
07:23.04 | sebbs | its alot cheaper |
07:23.11 | sebbs | specially how with the economy |
07:23.19 | ALoGeNo | but the shipping is a lot spensive too |
07:23.21 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
07:24.12 | ALoGeNo | i was saw prices in ebay and still a lot spensive.. becose theys are fashion now (esta de moda como decimos aqui) |
07:25.01 | sebbs | i ordered my x61 from america |
07:25.02 | ALoGeNo | los eeepc y umpc estan de moda.. |
07:25.10 | ALoGeNo | how much? |
07:25.24 | sebbs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9b9dsnTMAg |
07:25.35 | sebbs | 1000 euro i think |
07:25.45 | sebbs | it was when it was new |
07:25.51 | sebbs | and it has dual processors |
07:25.56 | sebbs | 4 gig ram |
07:25.57 | sebbs | etc |
07:26.22 | sebbs | that one is with the big battery |
07:26.27 | ALoGeNo | wow |
07:26.42 | ALoGeNo | nice machien.. |
07:26.49 | ALoGeNo | machine* |
07:26.50 | sebbs | yes it is very nice |
07:26.58 | ALoGeNo | 1000 arrrrrrrrrrr |
07:26.59 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
07:27.05 | sebbs | and i have 4 years full warrenty |
07:27.08 | sebbs | 3 years left |
07:27.22 | sebbs | i sent it in for reperation 4 times last year |
07:27.26 | sebbs | already paid itself off :D |
07:27.49 | ALoGeNo | i need something around 200 and if the bussines goes fine then buy something more spensive.. |
07:28.08 | sebbs | yes i bought mine cos it was my first good salery |
07:28.14 | sebbs | i saved money and bought it |
07:28.24 | sebbs | my previous laptop got stolen |
07:28.25 | ALoGeNo | hehehe |
07:28.35 | ALoGeNo | me too |
07:28.35 | ALoGeNo | xD |
07:28.41 | sebbs | and at that time i neeed a laptop very much, and i lost all my stuff on it |
07:28.44 | sebbs | i had alot on it |
07:28.55 | sebbs | i saw the puta who stole it get beaten though |
07:28.57 | sebbs | on the street |
07:29.16 | ALoGeNo | yeah having work.. you can get it.. and working with that much more.. |
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07:29.18 | sebbs | she had broken into a few appartments and when i came home from work the day after another lady was kicker her yelling at her |
07:29.34 | sebbs | cos she had stolen her stuff too |
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07:30.07 | ALoGeNo | pffffffff |
07:30.08 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:30.13 | sebbs | iiphone is hacked |
07:30.17 | ALoGeNo | hahahah |
07:30.57 | ALoGeNo | iphone is hacked? what¿? |
07:31.45 | sebbs | hey i got my symbian sync script working |
07:31.47 | sebbs | mohaaha |
07:31.55 | ALoGeNo | xD |
07:32.24 | ALoGeNo | hey n95 has acelerometter? |
07:32.40 | sebbs | its slow though takes about 2 minutes to update my syncs |
07:32.42 | sebbs | yes it has |
07:32.55 | sebbs | but you cant really use it |
07:32.59 | sebbs | its of no real use |
07:33.00 | sebbs | its cool |
07:33.03 | sebbs | but not functional |
07:33.18 | ALoGeNo | but what the fuck use the acelerometer becose i saw one the other day and nothing.. |
07:33.22 | ALoGeNo | xDDD |
07:33.28 | ALoGeNo | fucking nokia.. |
07:33.35 | sebbs | ah |
07:33.41 | sebbs | it was not intended for use though |
07:33.41 | ALoGeNo | but what are thinking the ppl man? |
07:33.45 | sebbs | its for the camera |
07:33.56 | sebbs | n95 has a 5mpx carl zeiss camera |
07:33.56 | ALoGeNo | only for the camera? |
07:34.04 | sebbs | so it uses it to stabilze the image |
07:34.09 | ALoGeNo | ohhh |
07:34.11 | ALoGeNo | pffffff |
07:34.12 | sebbs | its VERy accurate |
07:34.19 | sebbs | i mean its _good_ |
07:34.20 | ALoGeNo | madre mia.. |
07:34.34 | sebbs | i can sit in a car and take photos |
07:34.34 | ALoGeNo | mama mia.. |
07:34.48 | sebbs | very good media phone |
07:34.53 | sebbs | but the new one is waaaaaaaaaay better |
07:34.55 | sebbs | n97 |
07:35.04 | sebbs | that one is the puppys nuts |
07:35.16 | ALoGeNo | yes yes this is a good phone and the camera optica zeis es la ostia ^^ |
07:35.18 | sebbs | cojones de perro |
07:35.27 | sebbs | perrita |
07:35.34 | ALoGeNo | xD |
07:35.34 | sebbs | or perrito |
07:35.35 | sebbs | i mean |
07:35.41 | sebbs | cojones de perrito |
07:35.44 | ALoGeNo | we say cojones de lorito.. |
07:35.45 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:35.47 | sebbs | puppy |
07:35.53 | sebbs | whats a lorito |
07:35.59 | ALoGeNo | parrot..^ |
07:36.00 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:36.02 | sebbs | haha |
07:36.06 | sebbs | wtf |
07:36.17 | sebbs | im gonna say that to my bro |
07:36.21 | ALoGeNo | but tiny parrot.. = lorito.. |
07:36.44 | ALoGeNo | parrot = loro , tiny parrot = lorito |
07:37.00 | sebbs | 2 days ago |
07:37.04 | sebbs | iphone got hacked |
07:37.05 | sebbs | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iPhone-3G-Apple-linux-jailbreak,news-3061.html |
07:37.08 | sebbs | ^^ |
07:37.10 | sebbs | runs linux |
07:37.59 | ALoGeNo | oh i was thinked that you know it that... |
07:38.21 | ALoGeNo | i know that from the weekend |
07:38.21 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:38.25 | sebbs | i wonder how open it is |
07:38.43 | sebbs | i mean can you remove iphones software and only run linux on it? |
07:38.46 | sebbs | that would be cool :D |
07:39.06 | ALoGeNo | i was read that gives some isues qith install and restore |
07:39.29 | ALoGeNo | but now the man was relased a new installer and patch.. |
07:39.35 | ALoGeNo | for uninstall |
07:39.58 | ALoGeNo | yep.., but marvell cant get mode monitor |
07:39.59 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:40.10 | sebbs | its a matter of time though |
07:40.19 | sebbs | but i mean the iphone hardware wise is not very good |
07:40.23 | sebbs | it has no keyboard |
07:40.25 | sebbs | at all |
07:40.31 | sebbs | touchscreens are not very accurate |
07:40.54 | ALoGeNo | sure.. you lost the wole screem with keyb.. |
07:41.34 | ALoGeNo | and iphone screen dont work with pen, you need use the fingers dont work with other thing.. |
07:41.34 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:41.43 | ALoGeNo | (this is a little crap..) |
07:43.17 | ALoGeNo | yesterday i was used my itouch with the globes and fuck .. dont work.. and in the street at -2ºC isnt cool rip out your globes.. to puch the iphone.. |
07:43.17 | ALoGeNo | XD |
07:44.01 | ALoGeNo | ipod* |
07:46.21 | sebbs | thats bad |
07:47.18 | sebbs | i think im gonna wait for either the g1 to open |
07:47.25 | sebbs | or for something else to come along |
07:47.30 | sebbs | its shit though |
07:47.39 | sebbs | is should really not be that hard |
07:47.50 | sebbs | i mean i could make a phone better then everyphone on the market |
07:48.01 | sebbs | make a 100% openphone like the openmoko |
07:48.08 | sebbs | but i mean shit |
07:48.16 | sebbs | i could always use a BT keyboard |
07:48.25 | ALoGeNo | ^^ |
07:48.30 | sebbs | the resolution is good on the phone |
07:48.34 | sebbs | openmoko i mean |
07:48.37 | sebbs | and it has gps |
07:48.39 | ALoGeNo | yep |
07:48.43 | sebbs | just the camera missing |
07:48.48 | sebbs | GTA03 will have one |
07:48.59 | ALoGeNo | neorunner has 800x600? |
07:48.59 | sebbs | so i figure i could wait for that and keep using my n95 |
07:49.02 | sebbs | no |
07:49.18 | ALoGeNo | jumm.. |
07:50.28 | sebbs | Display 2.8 in. VGA (480Ã640) TFT, 282 pixels/in. |
07:50.32 | sebbs | good enough |
07:50.41 | sebbs | 2.8 is not good good but ok |
07:50.59 | sebbs | battery is really bad though |
07:52.57 | sebbs | time for me to sleep a few hours |
07:52.58 | sebbs | then work |
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07:57.45 | methril | morning |
07:59.17 | ALoGeNo | morning methril |
07:59.30 | ALoGeNo | hey sebbs nice to meet you.. |
07:59.43 | ALoGeNo | see you later i hope ^^ |
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09:32.56 | BlindMan | morning |
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09:37.17 | woglinde | hi blinder |
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09:39.22 | BlindMan | sers woglinde :) |
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09:57.52 | gerwinin | lo |
09:58.01 | woglinde | hi gerwini |
09:58.17 | gerwinin | Hey woglinde :) |
09:58.26 | gerwinin | woglinde you are going to fosdem this year ? |
10:03.12 | woglinde | gerwini I do not think so |
10:03.29 | woglinde | have to finish my colleauge |
10:07.18 | BlindMan | woglinde: your colleage? :) shall I call the police in advance to handcuff you right away? ;) |
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10:15.40 | pb__ | hi blindman, woglinde |
10:20.16 | woglinde | morning pb |
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10:22.38 | Jin^eLD | morning guys |
10:24.36 | woglinde | hi jineld |
10:24.49 | Jin^eLD | hi woglinde |
10:25.19 | BlindMan | sers jin |
10:25.49 | Jin^eLD | BlindMan: your name sounds familiar... :) |
10:25.57 | Jin^eLD | where do I know you from? |
10:25.58 | BlindMan | Jin^eLD: yeah, blinder in ircnet |
10:26.05 | Jin^eLD | aah, hehe |
10:26.06 | Jin^eLD | sers |
10:26.08 | BlindMan | Jin^eLD: fachschaft informatik? sid/faz/etc? :) |
10:26.13 | Jin^eLD | been quie a while ;) |
10:26.17 | Jin^eLD | s/quie/quite/ |
10:26.19 | BlindMan | yep, definately :) |
10:29.56 | florian | good morning |
10:31.12 | Jin^eLD | hi florian |
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10:32.47 | woglinde | hi robert |
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11:00.21 | woglinde | hi zecke |
11:01.09 | zecke | ho |
11:17.00 | zecke | woglinde: are you at home or at work? |
11:17.07 | woglinde | at work |
11:19.22 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r50a6645954 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime.bbclass: check whether update-mime-database is executable before trying to call it and move prerm to postrm |
11:24.37 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd5012b7d09 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime bbclass: RDEPEND on share-mime-info since we want to run its utils |
11:27.32 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rcd346b7840 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime.bbclass: inform user that u-m-d will take a while |
11:30.26 | zecke | http://blogs.sun.com/GeorgeTrujillo/entry/advantages_of_solaris_and_opensolaris haha |
11:39.47 | florian | zecke: hehe |
11:43.01 | florian | zecke: maybe they want to donate an opensolaris bb ;) |
11:44.27 | pb__ | hail zecke |
11:44.28 | pb__ | hi florian |
11:44.34 | zecke | Ah Linux has difficulties with SMP... I kid you not... linux1.2 was pretty bad with SMP... |
11:44.50 | zecke | oh and linux 2.6 runs on 4096 CPU SGI machines... |
11:44.53 | florian | hey pb__ |
11:44.55 | zecke | *morons* at sun |
11:48.25 | slapin | hi, all! |
11:50.42 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r58b7e35080 10openembedded.git/packages/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info_0.51.bb: shared-mime-info: put freedesktop.org.xml in its own package |
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11:50.57 | slapin | could anybody advice some short sk_buff tutorial (The Linux Networking is here already) |
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12:20.36 | Jin^eLD | re |
12:20.45 | BlindMan | wb |
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12:25.56 | woglinde | re |
12:26.33 | Jin^eLD | if you had to implement simple audio playback (mp3, flac) on ARM, what library would you pick to do the decoding? |
12:27.01 | zecke | Jin^eLD: you don't want mp3 |
12:27.14 | zecke | Jin^eLD: libtremor for the vorbis payload, libogg for the ogg container :) |
12:27.17 | Jin^eLD | zecke: unfortunately I do (why not btw?) |
12:27.29 | Jin^eLD | zecke: it should play as much stuff as possible :> |
12:27.35 | NAiL | libmad does integer decoding of mp3 |
12:27.36 | Jin^eLD | so far I am thinking about gstreamer |
12:27.51 | woglinde | hm I wonder why koen didnt test vlc stuff |
12:27.59 | woglinde | adn disabled avcodec |
12:28.04 | zecke | Jin^eLD: licensing situation around mp3 is pretty weird |
12:28.14 | woglinde | ae dont disbabled avcodec |
12:28.16 | Jin^eLD | I know, but that's only some demo stuff that I have to do |
12:28.22 | zecke | Jin^eLD: your options for mp3: libmad (integer decoding) and fluendo's mp3 plugin |
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12:28.39 | Jin^eLD | zecke: thanks, I'll have a look at those then |
12:28.52 | zecke | libmad is a GPL violation in itself, fluendo's mp3 plugin might lack integer support but is MIT licensed |
12:29.27 | Jin^eLD | GPL violation in itself? :) |
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12:30.16 | zecke | Jin^eLD: even the distribution of the libmad source is not legal according to the GPL |
12:30.43 | gerwinin | I want to remove the link from tmp to nfs |
12:30.47 | Jin^eLD | distribution of the source is illegal? that sounds interesting |
12:31.03 | gerwinin | Does anybody know how I can achieve this ? |
12:32.27 | zecke | Jin^eLD: section 7.) of the GPLv2 :) |
12:32.30 | gerwinin | I am getting : Stale NFS file handle all the time :( |
12:33.11 | woglinde | jineld mp3 patent |
12:33.56 | zecke | Jin^eLD: the only legal option is to ask fluendo do build you a mp3 decoder plugin with your toolchain for ARM (you may not even build it yourself) :) |
12:34.25 | woglinde | zecke fluendo has bought a mp3 license? |
12:35.28 | zecke | woglinde: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=fluendo+mp3 |
12:36.37 | woglinde | zecke hm seems you need another beat down |
12:37.14 | zecke | woglinde: i just wanted to show you guys that cool service :) |
12:37.34 | woglinde | hahahaaaa |
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12:38.53 | woglinde | hm |
12:39.02 | woglinde | thats scary |
12:39.07 | zecke | what? |
12:39.38 | woglinde | if you ship the binary mp3 plugin you must be sure no to ship a gpl plugin which works with the mp3 plugin |
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12:48.32 | Jin^eLD | :) |
12:50.12 | Jin^eLD | what was the trick to use deploy/ipk as a repository for ipkg updates? |
12:50.31 | CIA-5 | 03Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r332d828176 10openembedded.git/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
12:50.31 | CIA-5 | coreutils: Build and package df of coreutils |
12:50.31 | CIA-5 | - df can only be build if one of the many statvfs,fsusage |
12:50.31 | CIA-5 | was is present. These tests work by executing a test application |
12:50.31 | CIA-5 | and that is obviously not working out when cross compiling |
12:50.35 | CIA-5 | - all linux (glibc, eglibc, uclibc) should have the bsize in the |
12:50.37 | CIA-5 | struct statvfs... and this will enable the build of df. |
12:50.39 | CIA-5 | 03Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd6049dce56 10openembedded.git/packages/coreutils/ (coreutils-6.0/futimens.patch coreutils_6.0.bb): coreutils: Make version 6.0 compile by applying a futimens patch as well |
12:50.42 | zecke | adding it to the /etc/opkg/*.conf foo? |
12:51.12 | Jin^eLD | ipkg update claimed that it got the new packages, but ipkg upgrade does not install newer revisions |
12:51.29 | zecke | Jin^eLD: did you update the Packages file? |
12:52.16 | Jin^eLD | how? I'd think it happens automagically? |
12:52.34 | Jin^eLD | or do I need to run some extra task for that? |
12:53.25 | zecke | Jin^eLD: it happens automatically when you build a image... |
12:53.28 | zecke | bitbake package-index |
12:55.03 | Jin^eLD | thanks! |
12:57.28 | Jin^eLD | hmm |
12:57.39 | Jin^eLD | ipkg update followed by an upgrade - still no new revisions fetched |
13:01.26 | Jin^eLD | although package-index built without errors.. |
13:01.56 | Jin^eLD | do I have to add one url per arch? |
13:02.02 | Jin^eLD | i.e. one for "all", one for "arm" etc? |
13:02.06 | Jin^eLD | or just the toplevel ipk ? |
13:04.19 | Jin^eLD | ok that was it |
13:04.27 | Jin^eLD | had to enter a link to each directory |
13:04.28 | Jin^eLD | thanks |
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14:00.28 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r4759f5627a 10openembedded.git/packages/linux/ (linux-rp-2.6.24/defconfig-tosa linux-rp_2.6.24.bb): |
14:00.28 | CIA-5 | linux-rp-2.6.24: update tosa defconfig |
14:00.28 | CIA-5 | enable KEYBOARD_GPIO and INPUT_POWER on tosa |
14:00.29 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:00.36 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r47fc3bdbfa 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/tosa.conf: |
14:00.36 | CIA-5 | tosa: add apm-tosa-suspendfix to MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS |
14:00.36 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:00.37 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r85e93fe72e 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/claws-plugin-rssyl_0.18.bb: |
14:00.40 | CIA-5 | claws-plugin-rssyl: fix compilation |
14:00.42 | CIA-5 | Drop do_configure() as it breaks compilation. autotools.bbclass |
14:00.44 | CIA-5 | provide better alternative that works. |
14:00.46 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:00.48 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rc79020ca43 10openembedded.git/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: |
14:00.51 | CIA-5 | task-base: bump PR as I've changed tosa MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS |
14:00.53 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:00.55 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r8701797386 10openembedded.git/packages/gphoto2/ (files/gphoto-popt-fixup.patch gphoto2_2.4.2.bb): |
14:01.02 | CIA-5 | gphoto2: correct popt selection madness |
14:01.04 | CIA-5 | test for gphoto failed on my system, as is ended always trying to link |
14:01.08 | CIA-5 | popt from /usr/lib64. |
14:01.13 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:01.17 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rea9fbdbb54 10openembedded.git/packages/apmd/ (apm-tosa-suspendfix_0.1.bb files/50-tmio-ohci-unbind): |
14:01.20 | CIA-5 | apm-tosa-suspendfix: tosa-specific suspend w/around |
14:01.22 | CIA-5 | add tosa-specific suspend workaround, that will unbind ohci-hcd |
14:01.24 | CIA-5 | before entering suspend and rebind it again after resuming. |
14:01.26 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:01.32 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r565535c61a 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini: |
14:01.35 | CIA-5 | checksums: new checksum for claws-plugin-mailmbox |
14:01.37 | CIA-5 | The origin tarball for claws-plugin-mailmbox has changed. |
14:01.39 | CIA-5 | No source changes though. Update checksums.ini to reflect new file. |
14:01.41 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:01.43 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r1b0f44dc7c 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
14:01.50 | CIA-5 | claws-plugin-mailmbox: update to reflect the current Gtk API |
14:01.52 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:01.54 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * re8dd0bfcba 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/claws-mail_3.6.1.bb: |
14:01.57 | CIA-5 | claws-mail: stage headers to let claws plugins compile |
14:02.01 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> |
14:02.05 | CIA-5 | 03Dmitry Baryshkov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r8ad80633a4 10openembedded.git/packages/qemu/ (qemu-0.9.1+svn/fix_baum_c_compilation.patch qemu_svn.bb): |
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14:09.50 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r102f1b6fc7 10openembedded.git/: Merge branch 'org.openembedded.dev' of git@git.openembedded.net:openembedded into org.openembedded.dev |
14:09.51 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r35317b469e 10openembedded.git/packages/policykit/policykit_0.9.bb: policykit: fix another c/p error |
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14:23.52 | Jin^eLD | ffmpeg compile wants to use ldconfig? |
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14:25.27 | Jin^eLD | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/586827 |
14:25.33 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r0936a4f8ce 10openembedded.git/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: add QEMU_OPTION for armv6-novfp |
14:25.39 | Jin^eLD | why would it call ldconfig? |
14:28.22 | CIA-5 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r89c56a2150 10openembedded.git/packages/emacs/emacs.inc: emacs.inc: use QEMU_OPTIONS |
14:32.16 | zecke | it wans to help you... *shudders* |
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14:35.40 | JaMa | is something strange happening with log.do_rootfs files in OE? now they have > 100MB with some i suppose git messages which sometimes has word Fail in it, which makes rootfs log checker very angry at me :( |
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14:39.08 | Jin^eLD | zecke: it wants to help me to what? that's from the output from the ffmpeg OE recipe |
14:42.01 | zecke | Jin^eLD: yes, illfated help though... it calls ldconfig so it can find your newly installed libs... |
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14:42.06 | zecke | now idea why it is doing that for you |
14:42.38 | Jin^eLD | I'd have to look at the recipe, but right now I can probably live wihtout ffmpeg |
14:42.47 | Jin^eLD | I'm going to build vlc and write something on top that controls it |
14:42.54 | Jin^eLD | this way I will not have to mess with the decoders directly |
14:42.56 | XorA | bets it just needs a # added to the Makefile |
14:43.03 | Jin^eLD | but can just hook vlc to my UI |
14:43.04 | XorA | people tend to be overly helpful in Makefiles |
14:55.36 | JaMa | I found where it happened.. |
14:55.38 | JaMa | + cd /home/projects/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages |
14:55.38 | JaMa | ++ git-log -n1 --pretty=oneline |
14:55.38 | JaMa | ++ awk '{print $1}' |
14:55.40 | JaMa | + echo VERSION: commit Merge: Author: |
14:56.10 | JaMa | and the last line is quite long... 51 193 780 |
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15:02.13 | kergoth | morning |
15:02.23 | woglinde | hi kergotj |
15:02.30 | mickey|leipzigHb | yo kergie |
15:03.22 | JaMa | sorry its defined in conf/distro/openmoko.conf so I should ask there.. :) |
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15:17.02 | Chocobo | Hi All, I am using a gcc cross-compiler (PC --> ARM) and I was wondering if there is a way to extract the size of the built in integer types? I don't have a screen attached to this thing so I can't use sizeof. |
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15:27.11 | hrw | morning |
15:27.14 | woglinde | hi hrw |
15:27.19 | woglinde | how are you? |
15:27.27 | hrw | fine thanks |
15:27.50 | prpplague | hrw: greetings |
15:27.53 | woglinde | hm asking because seeing you joining only later the day |
15:28.08 | hrw | a bit pissed off due to Polish gov offices |
15:28.15 | woglinde | hm |
15:28.19 | woglinde | what happen? |
15:28.35 | hrw | to get package from fedex I need to send them company papers. and one of those papers == 6-7h trip tomorrow |
15:28.55 | hrw | moving company between cities hurts badly in .pl |
15:29.12 | woglinde | hms |
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15:29.26 | Jin^eLD | is vlc supposed to compile on uclibc? |
15:29.52 | prpplague | hrw: that's insane |
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15:30.10 | hrw | prpplague: thats poland |
15:30.20 | prpplague | hrw: hehe |
15:30.55 | hrw | prpplague: of course I can give filled form here but they will send it there, there will fill some data into system, then local office can check does data is changed and give me paper |
15:31.04 | hrw | prpplague: ETA: 1-2 weeks |
15:31.30 | hrw | alternative: I go there, give filled form and take paper after 15 minutes. but 6h on train trips |
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15:34.23 | woglinde | Jin^eLD try disable avcodec and it should compile |
15:35.20 | prpplague | hrw: what distro argument were you using with the 8050 build? "angstrom-2008.1" ? |
15:41.28 | Jin^eLD | woglinde: I did that already |
15:41.34 | Jin^eLD | woglinde: I think it might be uclibc related.. |
15:41.42 | woglinde | jineld whats the problem? |
15:42.05 | Jin^eLD | they are trying to figure out what clock to use |
15:42.29 | Jin^eLD | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/586893 |
15:42.31 | Jin^eLD | thats the code |
15:42.43 | Jin^eLD | looks like the logic does not work out |
15:43.46 | hrw | prpplague: yes |
15:43.52 | hrw | -> late lunch |
15:44.49 | woglinde | Jin^eLD hm check in the uclibc code about it |
15:44.57 | Jin^eLD | I wonder if the _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION is something "common", i.e. used by libc or if thats a vlc invention |
15:44.57 | woglinde | sorry do not know at hand |
15:45.00 | Jin^eLD | does it look familiar? |
15:45.52 | woglinde | nope |
15:45.52 | prpplague | hrw: i assume i can use a similar site.conf file as i did when using poky? |
15:48.02 | Jin^eLD | on my PC its in /usr/include/bits/posix_opt.h |
15:48.10 | Jin^eLD | so that seems to be a libc thing |
15:48.55 | Jin^eLD | its also there in staging |
15:54.16 | Jin^eLD | and that header should be included by unistd.h, lets see |
15:55.34 | Jin^eLD | the question is - by which one of them, there are like, 6 unistd.h files in staging |
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15:56.31 | CIA-5 | 03Robert Schuster <thebohemian@gmx.net> 07org.openembedded.dev * r84689e0620 10openembedded.git/packages/midpath/ (28 files in 2 dirs): |
15:56.31 | CIA-5 | midpath: Updated all recipes to rc2. |
15:56.31 | CIA-5 | midpath-openmoko: Use alsa backend. |
15:57.27 | Jin^eLD | arm-angstrom-linux-uclibcgnueabi/usr/include/unistd.h is the unistd.h that has the posix_opt.h include.... |
15:58.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 2134 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by dbaryshkov(AT)gmail.com |
15:58.06 | cdbot2 | * * Tosa Angstrom x11 image suspend/resume failure |
15:58.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2134 |
16:00.46 | hrw | prpplague: DISTRO="angstrom-2008.1" MACHINE="m8050" should be enough |
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16:06.49 | Jin^eLD | woglinde: they assume that if _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION is defined, then CLOCK_NANOSLEEP must also be available - which for some reason is not the case |
16:07.26 | woglinde | jineld sorry I do not know the posix standard |
16:08.41 | Jin^eLD | nanosleep is in -lrt? |
16:08.46 | Jin^eLD | does uclibc have that? |
16:08.51 | Jin^eLD | or what is rt part of? |
16:11.20 | woglinde | yes lrt should be there |
16:11.40 | Jin^eLD | as in - already when I build uclibc, or do I have to bitbake some package to get it? |
16:12.09 | woglinde | its a normal lib that shipps with uclibc |
16:12.18 | kergoth | http://www.philippwesche.org/200811/whohas/intro.html is cute |
16:12.54 | Jin^eLD | I'll have a closer look then, if it has the nanosleep function |
16:14.37 | prpplague | hrw: well it looks to be building |
16:14.59 | woglinde | hm seems it is not in librt |
16:15.08 | woglinde | but in libc self |
16:15.21 | Jin^eLD | I did not find it in the menuconfig |
16:15.29 | Jin^eLD | I wonder if it is implemented at all |
16:15.49 | Jin^eLD | brb, will grab some food |
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16:22.09 | woglinde | hm |
16:22.13 | woglinde | serial console |
16:22.17 | woglinde | uos |
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16:43.29 | Tartarus | Anyone around that knows how to poke Koen? |
16:43.39 | Tartarus | I don't want to revert and replace http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=6348b3baf7a61fc07626a3ecb29b539d438cfb4f w/o checking with him |
16:44.30 | XorA | Tartarus: he is offline at the moment |
16:44.36 | Tartarus | I did mail oe-devel but he hasn't replied, yet |
16:44.37 | Tartarus | k |
16:45.03 | XorA | Ill nudge him if he reapears |
16:45.35 | Tartarus | thanks |
16:45.49 | Tartarus | i'm gonna ready the commit since khem thinks i'm right as to the why |
16:58.43 | XorA | yeah |
16:58.50 | XorA | oops wrong wndow |
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17:00.39 | drakou | Hi !! |
17:02.21 | drakou | Last revision of gstreamer package ( r4) is not longuer building for me. I have that error : |
17:02.38 | drakou | | /bin/bash: /home/drakou/OE/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/mkdir: No such file or directory |
17:02.38 | drakou | | make[4]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 127 |
17:03.37 | Jin^eLD | re |
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17:04.03 | drakou | Why is make trying to use a native mkdir ?? instead of the system one |
17:05.40 | NAiL | possibly because mkdir works differenly on various systems? |
17:06.16 | NAiL | hmm... shouldn't install be used instead of mkdir? |
17:06.32 | drakou | I 've just updated my OE git repos, and now, gstreamer make install is failling because of that error, but the others packages are fine |
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17:08.38 | drakou | I linked my native system mkdir to the right path to make it happy : but new error : |
17:08.46 | drakou | | ../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: line 941: /home/drakou/OE/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/install: No such file or directory |
17:08.46 | drakou | | make[4]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 127 |
17:10.11 | Tartarus | Hmm |
17:10.16 | Tartarus | I think you need to rebuild a package |
17:10.24 | Tartarus | mainly the one that provides mkinstall, install, etc |
17:10.28 | drakou | wich one ? |
17:10.31 | Tartarus | tries to think what that is, heh |
17:10.39 | drakou | which sorry |
17:10.57 | Tartarus | coreutils-native, perhaps |
17:11.09 | drakou | ok I try that |
17:11.12 | mwester | NAiL "nailed" the problem, I think ;) |
17:11.25 | woglinde | mwester which? |
17:12.54 | drakou | ->package coreutils-native-5.3.0: started |
17:13.07 | mwester | IIRC in some cases configure will fall back to mkdir if install is not present, which could explain why it is looking for "/usr/bin/mkdir" in the same place it would normally be instructed to find "install" |
17:13.11 | drakou | But my question is : Why the only package failing is gstreamer |
17:13.41 | drakou | All packages are using install |
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17:14.38 | kergoth | damnit, i cant figure out how best to do this script.. this sure is a lot of work just for a proof of concept |
17:14.54 | woglinde | kergoth? |
17:15.31 | drakou | It's working !! thank you Tartarus |
17:15.56 | kergoth | woglinde: making a script to take a package in the OpenEmbedded repo and convert it into a standalone git repo containing the upstream sources, with each of our patches as a git topic branch, and the recipe metadata in the source tree |
17:16.03 | kergoth | woglinde: to see how viable such a thing would be |
17:16.29 | kergoth | figuring out how to arrange the branches for all the possible variants of a patch between FILESPATH and OVERRIDES is hurting my head |
17:16.49 | woglinde | uh |
17:16.57 | woglinde | nice idea |
17:19.29 | kergoth | was thinking about doing that ,then using the 'repo' tool that the android folks did to pull the various repositories together into a build |
17:19.33 | kergoth | heh |
17:21.34 | kergoth | maybe i'll just punt it, make the branches and not have them share any history between variants, might be able to determine branching points and stuff later, after the fact with tools like git-cherry |
17:21.36 | kergoth | scratches head |
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17:32.11 | woglinde | art jvlc |
17:32.14 | woglinde | ~lart jvlc |
17:32.14 | ibot | holds jvlc to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
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17:45.53 | khem | Tartarus: you should revert that change I think because there is a better way I think to use --disable-werror config option if you want to use it |
17:46.34 | khem | We do not need to hack configure script |
17:47.18 | khem | but its preferred to use -werror and patch sources if we can |
17:51.08 | Tartarus | Personally, I like -Werror on cross compile stuff |
17:51.14 | Tartarus | it's just these are semi stupid errors |
17:51.27 | Tartarus | otoh, it found a bug in mtd/ubi stuff I need to submit upstream |
17:51.37 | Tartarus | But yeah, I'll push this patch soon, just doing a build now |
17:52.47 | kergoth | we really need to get better at pushing our patches upstream |
17:53.00 | kergoth | too many obvious hacks are still around that shouldve been cleaned up ages ago |
17:53.05 | kergoth | not that i'm volunteering.. |
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17:56.53 | khem | Tartarus: So it that the only patch needed to get gdb building with -Werror |
17:57.57 | khem | I used gcc 4.3 when I was playing with Intrepid Alpha |
17:58.14 | khem | and I saw many warnings |
17:58.33 | khem | opkg is was one of the package that failed to compile with 4.3 due to warnings |
17:59.55 | Tartarus | yeah, i think khem fixed a bunch of stuff |
18:00.02 | Tartarus | some properly, some hackishly :) |
18:00.23 | Tartarus | bbiab, feeding baby |
18:01.38 | mwester | opkg *should* fail to compile with *any* compiler. ;-) |
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18:09.44 | robtow | How does one specify a particular kernel version in bitbake/OE? |
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18:11.29 | kergoth | robtow: PREFERRED_VERSION_[provider you want to specify the version of]. see the sane versions inc files in conf/distro/ |
18:13.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4901 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
18:13.07 | cdbot2 | * * osso-gnome-vfs2-2.16.3-autobuild |
18:13.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4901 |
18:14.08 | Jin^eLD | doh.. compiling vlc is not an easy task |
18:15.26 | prpplague | kergoth: when the 8050 is release in january, probably want to see if we can pick a handful of people that would be good to send free hardware to |
18:16.07 | thesing | prpplague, 8050? |
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18:16.21 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/M8050 |
18:16.45 | robtow | Thanks Chris |
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18:20.37 | kergoth | prpplague: what sort of work will they be wanting done on it? i certainly wouldnt mind being one of those people, i haven't done any real work with an actual device in a while. heh |
18:21.19 | prpplague | kergoth: nothing specific, i was just hoping for some more diverse support for it |
18:21.27 | kergoth | ah, thats cool |
18:21.33 | prpplague | kergoth: hrw has already added the machine id to OE |
18:21.54 | prpplague | kergoth: i started to offer you one, but i figured there might be a conflict with your work |
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18:22.57 | kergoth | hmm, maybe i should re-read some of the paperwork i signed when i took the job |
18:22.59 | kergoth | hehe |
18:25.06 | prpplague | kergoth: basically just want it pretty easy for thirdparties to build up custom images for the unit |
18:25.37 | mwester | bets he can paraphrase: "Every thing, thought, invention, action, or even anticipated action belongs to the employer, who in addition to owning your life, has the ability to terminate your employement without cause or reason, but in doing so does not give up any rights to your thoughts, actions, inventions, or things." <-- pretty standard in US employment agreements. |
18:26.15 | robtow | California is a bit more liberal in employment agreements. |
18:26.31 | robtow | However, you have to be careful to not use company owned machines or facilities. |
18:26.43 | robtow | And not engage in direct competition. |
18:26.47 | khem | yeah |
18:27.31 | robtow | In this case - I imagine that the particular employer might be agreeable. |
18:27.50 | mwester | I've been advised that the best bet is to make your boss aware of your hobby, and get something that indicates that he/she has no interest in it. |
18:28.44 | kergoth | i've been lucky in that i've not yet been bitten in the real world by these things... i mean, theoretically they can claim ownership over all this stuff i woudlnt want them to, but practically they dont, and often encourage release of oss stuff |
18:29.25 | khem | yeah if companies are leveraging OSS they dont mind I guess |
18:30.47 | kergoth | but then, the main companies i worked for were TI and MV, and both are pretty decent players in the community when it comes to source changes |
18:31.12 | kergoth | random joe blow company producing a Linux based product would probably be a whole different ballgame |
18:31.13 | kergoth | heh |
18:32.01 | tomasg_ | Hello all. Is there a good FAQ on really making developer level use out of OE? Most of the questions on the wiki are really trivial. I'm a long time user of emerge/portage and I'm still having difficulty doing "common" things. |
18:32.40 | tomasg_ | For instance: I want to tell a bb package that it is dirty and for it to redo configure, compile, and build steps. But bb -c rebuild it too costly as it rebuilds the entire package! |
18:33.09 | kergoth | could remove the configure stamp |
18:33.24 | kergoth | dont think theres an existing task for that, but you could make one easily enough |
18:34.03 | tomasg_ | perfect..... makea task -- even better! I'm not pushed off by the python classes, I've spent enough time trapsing in there to understand the incrementals. |
18:34.12 | tomasg_ | So would I add this to the kernel class? |
18:34.50 | kergoth | could add it to build/classes/mycrap.bbclass and set INHERIT += "mycrap" |
18:34.51 | tomasg_ | The same thing follows for a build. I assume I have to remove all task stamps, build, deploy, etc. |
18:35.16 | tomasg_ | ok. Thanks! |
18:36.18 | tomasg_ | When the new stamps are created, will a dependent package (say console-image) automatically know it needs to rebuild the fs, or would I need to also deal w/ timestamps there? |
18:37.10 | kergoth | we wouldnt want a package to rebuild whenever any of its deps change, would be rebuilding shit left and right. think you'll have to rebuild console-image yourself. that one is fast enough, might as well -c rebuild it |
18:38.33 | kergoth | tomasg_: koen reminded me that you can also bitbake -f -c configure to force a rerun of configure, and thatll invalidate the other stamps, so when you rerun bitbake again after that itll redo the rest |
18:38.39 | kergoth | two step process, but it should do |
18:39.04 | tomasg_ | Hmm.. ok... In the past (pre-bitbake) I work Makefile and/or ant scripts to generate the BSP kernel+fs. It was actually desirable to touch one thing and have that cascade into a viable output.. |
18:39.16 | tomasg_ | s/work/wrote |
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18:42.40 | tomasg_ | I supose I need a script to dump deps. Say I change my glibc, now I want everything rebuilt against the new glibc.. |
18:42.51 | tomasg_ | no shortcut? |
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18:48.15 | Jin^eLD | hmm, for some reason vlc plugins are put in .debug directories |
18:48.19 | Jin^eLD | so they do not make it into the main package |
18:48.21 | Jin^eLD | i.e. ./usr/lib/vlc/mux/.debug/libmux_ogg_plugin.so |
18:48.46 | Jin^eLD | so they are not picked up and do not go into the ipk, end up in -dbg package |
18:48.49 | Jin^eLD | has anyone seen this? |
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18:57.25 | thesing | tomasg_, you can recompile a package with "bitbake -c compile -force foo" (or so) works for other tasks too. |
18:58.46 | thesing | tomasg_, and if you want to foo to rebuild automatically if some of it deps changes you can play with BB_STAMP_POLICY. But not many people use it. |
19:01.35 | tomasg_ | thesing: thanx. What I'm try to do is script the composition of my own custom kernel/custom rootfs *based* on someone else's distro.. |
19:02.52 | tomasg_ | As I develop, I want to make a mode and re-gen everything to re-test.. A more simple approach might just be to create a distro myself and maintain what goes in and how it's rebuilt.. Is this the right idea? Is there a good tut on new OE distros? |
19:05.17 | thesing | tomasg_, you probably only want to create an own image. |
19:05.32 | khem | Jin^eLD: you asked about clock_nanosleep () support in uclibc. Support is added in nptl branch which should merge into trunk shortly |
19:06.00 | thesing | tomasg_, a disto in oe only selects which versions of packages to choose and some other policies |
19:06.58 | Jin^eLD | mixed up windows |
19:06.59 | Jin^eLD | :) |
19:07.05 | Jin^eLD | khem: thx, uclibc should not define _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION then |
19:07.38 | Jin^eLD | _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION means pthread_condattr_setclock() is available and I was told that makes no sense if clock_gettime and clock_nanosleep are not there |
19:09.49 | Jin^eLD | I'm off, l8r |
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19:14.48 | khem | probably yes. pthread_condattr_setclock is also not implemented |
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19:28.24 | tomasg_ | thesing: ok.. I'll look through the images and see if I can figure out how to control which packages are incl/excl.. Since the distro selects versions, can I override in the image recipe? |
19:32.53 | hrw | tomasg_: bitbake -cconfigure package -f |
19:36.40 | pb_ | Jin^eLD: are you sure those are the plugins themselves, and not their debug data? |
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19:39.26 | cbrake | wonders why OE recipes based on git sources don't inlude git repository data in working directory like svn? |
19:39.45 | cbrake | git is very handy to be able to check stuff into SVN from OE working directory |
19:39.47 | hrw | size of .git/ can be huge compared to source? |
19:39.49 | cbrake | *it is |
19:39.55 | cbrake | hrw: probably so |
19:40.16 | cbrake | hrw: where with SVN its more like 2x your source |
19:40.57 | cbrake | ohh, well, its trivial to simply check out the source or copy an existing tree into the working directory for development |
19:41.13 | kergoth | hmm |
19:41.14 | timtimred | it is nice through not having an extra directory in every dir in your source tree though. |
19:41.33 | kergoth | timtimred: git doesnt put a .git in every dir in the source tree, only at the root |
19:41.39 | kergoth | svn puts them in every dir |
19:41.46 | timtimred | yes thats what i mean :) |
19:41.52 | kergoth | ah, right :) |
19:42.20 | timtimred | got samba 3.2.5 building... |
19:42.23 | kergoth | cbrake: we do a clone for the fetch, no? does it just not include the .git when it copies it into the workdir? |
19:42.41 | cbrake | kergoth: I can't find any evidence in my working dirs :-) |
19:42.49 | hrw | kernel 2.6.28-rc7 tree takes 1.3GB and .git takes 0.96GB |
19:42.49 | cbrake | looks at git fetcher ... |
19:43.09 | kergoth | seems odd. you can do a clone with hard links, the .git neednt take up any extra space in the workdir |
19:43.36 | cbrake | kergoth: that seems ideal |
19:45.33 | kergoth | cbrake: itd just need to do a git clone -l for the unpack if the source is git:// |
19:45.38 | kergoth | heh |
19:45.45 | kergoth | assuming we clone in the git fetcher from upstream |
19:46.23 | kergoth | cbrake: alternatively, it could do a clone -s, which sets up alternates to point to the fetch for the objects |
19:46.32 | kergoth | either one would take care of it |
19:46.55 | kergoth | course, -s would be more portable, filesystem wise |
19:52.12 | cbrake | looks like bb git fetcher uses git-checkout-index which must not include the repo data |
19:53.18 | cbrake | so all the scm fetchers must create tarballs that are then used by the generic fetcher code ... |
19:55.33 | kergoth | eh |
19:55.52 | kergoth | git should be different. you can always extract old versions of things from the repo, dont need the tarballs |
19:55.59 | kergoth | for client/server scms, sure |
19:56.01 | kergoth | maybe |
19:56.04 | kergoth | shrugs |
19:56.13 | hrw | kergoth: except source mirrors which handle tarballs... |
19:56.46 | kergoth | true, but i doubt the clone is that terribly much longer than the tarball fetch, and you'd only have to clone once for all versions of that package we ever have |
19:56.53 | kergoth | shrugs |
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20:03.56 | pb_ | g'day kergoth |
20:04.01 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
20:04.04 | kergoth | how goes it? |
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20:05.54 | pb_ | yeah, pretty good. just cleaning up the house at the moment, my family is coming to visit at the weekend. |
20:07.00 | pb_ | stabs mysql |
20:07.02 | pb_ | hurry up! |
20:08.36 | kergoth | ah nice |
20:10.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4902 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
20:10.06 | cdbot2 | * * epsilon-0.3.0.012+svnr37395-autobuild |
20:10.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4902 |
20:11.06 | Tartarus | Bah crap |
20:11.07 | Tartarus | khem ? |
20:11.15 | Tartarus | | checking for mipsel-angstrom-linux-readelf... mipsel-angstrom-linux-readelf |
20:11.15 | Tartarus | | checking for .preinit_array/.init_array/.fini_array support... no |
20:11.15 | Tartarus | | configure: error: Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support. |
20:11.15 | Tartarus | | FATAL: oe_runconf failed |
20:11.15 | Tartarus | NOTE: Task failed: /scratch/trini/cur-oe-rw/build_db1200_release_angstrom/work/mipsel-angstrom-linux/glibc-2.6.1-r15/temp/log.do_configure.32570 |
20:11.22 | Tartarus | Related to the hash changes stuff? |
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20:12.31 | hrw | http://www.ourstrangeworld.net/index.php/main/article/strange_false_head_photo/ |
20:14.22 | pb_ | Tartarus: doesn't look like it, I don't think .init_array has anything to do with linker hashes. |
20:14.33 | khem | Tartarus: yes seems so |
20:14.48 | prpplague | hrw: weird, i saw the baby first before the head |
20:15.06 | hrw | prpplague: I was spoiled before going to page ;( |
20:15.19 | Tartarus | khem, email me if you have any ideas on fixing, I'm hopping in the shower then out to lunch/errands |
20:15.21 | Tartarus | thanks :) |
20:15.33 | Tartarus | fwiw, angstrom and db1200 machine |
20:15.45 | Tartarus | if the path didn't give it away, heh |
20:16.00 | hrw | db1200 is buildable again? |
20:16.16 | Tartarus | Yes |
20:16.22 | hrw | cool |
20:16.23 | Tartarus | I got someone to push a fix or two to the conf |
20:16.42 | Tartarus | was a few months ago when i was working on the 1250 locally |
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20:24.05 | khem | Tartarus: which binutils is it using |
20:29.01 | timtimred | i also get the fini_array error for my mips builds. |
20:29.48 | timtimred | and im on binutils 2.18.50.0.7 |
20:32.16 | timtimred | no MACHINE set in shell |
20:32.50 | timtimred | tinkered with various binutils but no joy (i forgot to note which versions - doh) |
20:38.33 | Tartarus | khem, checking |
20:38.49 | Tartarus | 2.18.50.0.7-r5 |
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22:13.14 | khem | Tartarus that should just work |
22:14.44 | khem | Tartarus: I think the glibc build is messed up |
22:14.49 | khem | try eglibc |
22:14.55 | khem | it works for almost all arches |
22:15.17 | khem | do you care about a particular version of you just need a libc |
22:22.51 | ant___ | khem: about gcc 4.3, long ago I had to add here and there '--disable-werror' and 'LDFLAGS += " -Wl,--allow-multiple-definition "' |
22:23.00 | ant___ | question: is it still so picky? |
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22:28.20 | khem | ant___: Well its better in error diag and sometimes its too much but it sure annoys developers |
22:28.42 | khem | I have not had much problems with gcc 4.3 myself |
22:28.55 | khem | ant___: where did u use those options |
22:29.15 | ant___ | hmm.. one was binutils-cross |
22:29.23 | khem | oh right |
22:29.36 | khem | binutils is not yet sanitized |
22:29.55 | khem | and the way ubuntu configures gcc 4.3 also matters |
22:31.14 | ant___ | khem: the other was "gmp-native-4.2.1 multiple definition bothers gcc 4.3" |
22:31.42 | ant___ | oebugs 3367 and 3378 |
22:32.08 | ant___ | I was using bero's Arklinux gcc-4.3.0-alpha :-/ |
22:32.37 | khem | ant___: I did not have the second one |
22:32.58 | khem | well 4.3.2 is what I have used on ubuntu 8.10 |
22:33.32 | ant___ | khem: .dev switched to gmp 4.2.2 as default |
22:34.08 | ant___ | which must have been more sane |
22:39.33 | khem | may be |
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22:45.54 | ant___ | khem: I ask you 'cause I see Gentoo sticks with gcc-4.1.2 !!! |
22:46.33 | ant___ | btw I see they applied to 4.3.2 an "update softfloat patch" yesterday. Already in OE? |
22:47.04 | khem | right may be OE tries to be current |
22:48.58 | ant___ | he...when I begun fiddling with OE, Gentoo was way ahead /toolchain and kernels |
22:50.39 | khem | ant___: good job |
22:50.53 | ant___ | congrats to all devs :-) |
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22:57.27 | ant___ | khem: IMHO there are still some things in Gentoo to cherry-pick in OE (equery) |
22:57.54 | ant___ | way ahead my more than limited python skills |
22:58.05 | ant___ | perhaps kergoth... |
22:58.39 | kergoth | don't look at me, i learned pythonc oding bitbake, and its obvious, and i never did become an expert |
22:58.42 | kergoth | :P |
22:59.01 | ant___ | :-D |
22:59.06 | ant___ | mizar ~ # equery depends libmad |
22:59.07 | ant___ | [ Searching for packages depending on libmad... ] |
22:59.07 | ant___ | media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad-0.10.8 (>=media-libs/libmad-0.15.1b) |
22:59.07 | ant___ | media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc2_p27725-r1 (mad? media-libs/libmad) |
22:59.16 | ant___ | don't say it's bad... |
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23:00.29 | ant___ | urges to do equery depends gcc-2.95, polluting all the initial logs :/ |
23:00.48 | kergoth | yeah, we could really use a tool like that |
23:01.36 | ant___ | every now and then strange things happen, like e.g. |
23:01.39 | ant___ | ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables |
23:01.48 | ant___ | nonsense, but still |
23:02.00 | ant___ | would be an easy catch |
23:04.17 | ant___ | BTW yesterday hrw nailed down one twin, an it was a missing COMPATIBLE_MACHINE in old embedix kernel |
23:06.24 | ant___ | kergoth: or things like "revdep-rebuild" |
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23:08.28 | florian | re |
23:08.57 | ant___ | hi florian |
23:17.42 | ant___ | khem: gcc-cross-4.2.4 uclibcgnueabi fails on rebuild. Was fine on build from scratch. Doh... |
23:18.05 | ant___ | libstdc++-v3 again |
23:18.07 | ant___ | http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2383232.txt |
23:18.21 | khem | ant___: hmmm thats a strange thing |
23:19.20 | ant___ | wait..am I in an old tree...moment |
23:19.28 | khem | ah |
23:19.54 | khem | one reason if this happens could be that you have libintl being installed after gcc from someother source |
23:20.00 | khem | which is kind of crappy |
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23:21.37 | ant___ | ah..was that old tree...never got cured...(I had a glibc build to update and switched tree...my fault) |
23:21.58 | ant___ | old == 2days ago :-D |
23:22.16 | khem | thats old on dev look how many commits happer per day |
23:22.33 | ant___ | true. was rebuilt from scratch flawlessy |
23:24.14 | khem | winding and unwinding build dependencies does not work well for toolchain |
23:25.15 | ant___ | definitely |
23:25.40 | khem | any toolchain change demands a rebuild to be correct :) |
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23:25.57 | ant___ | now I'll retry from pstage |
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23:50.32 | ant___ | khem: wiping tmp, I see a broken symlink in /cross/armv5te/bin |
23:51.15 | ant___ | <PROTECTED> |
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23:51.26 | ant___ | <PROTECTED> |
23:51.35 | ant___ | no gfortran here |
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