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| 05:07.42 | garren | morning |
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| 05:53.17 | sx4 | meaning for things like ${WORKDIR}, STAGING_INCDIR, sysconfdir and so on given |
| 05:53.33 | sx4 | i meant where are meaning for things like ${WORKDIR}, STAGING_INCDIR, sysconfdir and so on are given |
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| 06:59.15 | zecke | re |
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| 07:05.55 | sx4 | zecke: what is meant by re? |
| 07:06.06 | sx4 | i usually see this on irc, just curious ;-) |
| 07:19.19 | zecke | i'm back, i returned from somewhere :) |
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| 08:12.51 | gilligan- | morning |
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| 08:31.43 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 08:33.18 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:40.59 | sx4 | is cvs.sv.gnu.org down? |
| 08:41.47 | sx4 | i get the error: cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to [cvs.sv.gnu.org]:2401 failed: Connection timed out |
| 08:42.03 | sx4 | im sitting behind a firewall. will that be the reason? |
| 08:47.09 | gilligan_ | yep |
| 08:47.26 | gilligan_ | and i can tell you right now .. oe behind a firewall = fail |
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| 08:48.51 | sx4 | thats really bad |
| 08:51.04 | sx4 | can i specify mirror sites from where it can download? |
| 08:51.56 | slapin | gilligan_, not that bad, but require some tweaking. In case some firewall passthrough technologies left. like ssh ot https port and corkscrew, and others. |
| 08:52.34 | gilligan_ | it just means a lot of stupid tweaking and faking.. i'm done with that |
| 08:52.41 | gilligan_ | imho firewall == fail |
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| 09:29.16 | tsjsieb | Morning |
| 09:29.23 | zecke | failed |
| 09:29.55 | tsjsieb | Can I make an uimage (image for uboot) from OpenEmbedded? |
| 09:30.22 | tsjsieb | Or should I make an uimage with the mkimage tool? |
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| 09:34.46 | zecke | tsjsieb: check the openmoko kernel recipe |
| 09:36.44 | like2wise | tsjsieb: yes you can, but you can also do it afterwards yourself. Also, some of the u-boot related stuff (arguments to mkimage) are in the machine conf's. |
| 09:36.59 | like2wise | hi zecke, long time no see. |
| 09:38.15 | tsjsieb | thnx both :) I'm trying to create an new machine configuration for compulab cm-x300 |
| 09:42.46 | zecke | like2wise: how are you? i'm trapped in taipei |
| 09:44.40 | sx4 | how is taipie? |
| 09:45.13 | zecke | sunny... full of stuff that caused me to get an evil cold |
| 09:45.31 | sx4 | i always wanted to vist taipie, i think they need lots of linux programmers as they have hardware companies all around |
| 09:46.26 | zecke | hehe, well... they have board support packages and people kicking them :( |
| 09:46.31 | zecke | these jobs there are pretty boring |
| 09:48.56 | sx4 | i have been doing bsp for 3 years now, i need a change |
| 09:52.41 | like2wise | zecke: fine here, trapped in a good way? |
| 09:54.32 | zecke | like2wise: oh, no idea yet... |
| 09:55.45 | sx4 | what work you do zecke |
| 09:56.57 | zecke | janitor things, doing stuff that scares others |
| 09:57.40 | sx4 | was that meant to scare me? |
| 09:57.41 | sx4 | lol |
| 10:01.08 | zecke | no, not at all |
| 10:01.15 | zecke | it is the best description I found though |
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| 10:02.20 | thebohemian | zecke: greetings from woglinde and me |
| 10:02.27 | zecke | thebohemian: :) |
| 10:02.27 | like2wise | aaaaa^&66777777777777yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 10:02.33 | like2wise | says the cat |
| 10:02.36 | zecke | thebohemian: how is your thesis going on? |
| 10:02.45 | thebohemian | zecke: its finished :) |
| 10:03.09 | thebohemian | zecke: I only need to do the presentation now |
| 10:03.47 | thebohemian | zecke: I expect this to be done at the end of april |
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| 10:05.45 | zecke | thebohemian: cool! that was fast (in the end) |
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| 10:17.06 | thebohemian | zecke: yeah, and I am really happs it is over now |
| 10:27.40 | hrw | morning |
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| 10:39.52 | hrw | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949018.stm |
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| 10:47.38 | fraxi | guys, i have trouble baking a more recent glib-2.0 version |
| 10:49.04 | fraxi | http://pastebin.com/d1cc3df6e |
| 10:53.37 | fraxi | using the recipe from git |
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| 11:33.26 | Crofton|work | what to do |
| 11:33.41 | Crofton|work | what should we do about busybox? |
| 11:34.05 | Crofton|work | I don't think I can chrrey pick ulf's recipe cleanly |
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| 11:40.43 | like2wise | Crofton|work: what's up with busybox? |
| 11:40.51 | like2wise | hi hrw, XorA |
| 11:40.58 | XorA | hey |
| 11:41.08 | Crofton|work | checksum failure again |
| 11:41.15 | like2wise | Crofton|work: grumble. |
| 11:41.29 | Crofton|work | also there is version 1.13.3 |
| 11:41.35 | Crofton|work | which ulf built |
| 11:42.04 | XorA | woglind undid the checksum fixing yesterday, I asked him to put it back, apparently he didnt |
| 11:42.10 | like2wise | hrw: crashed into a deer - poor deer |
| 11:42.16 | Crofton|work | ah |
| 11:42.22 | hrw | like2wise: ? |
| 11:42.41 | hrw | like2wise: ;( |
| 11:43.05 | hrw | wonders how to make system temp back to normal |
| 11:43.13 | Crofton|work | deer can be a real nuisance |
| 11:43.35 | Crofton|work | XorA, how did he undo the checksum fix? |
| 11:43.53 | XorA | Crofton|work: changed checksums.ini back to the old checksum |
| 11:44.01 | Crofton|work | http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=c3906c2aa5fefb263ee5782d3dfcf564e1a965cd |
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| 11:44.19 | XorA | Crofton|work: yup |
| 11:44.40 | Crofton|work | where is he when you need hom? |
| 11:46.46 | Crofton|work | git revert <hash>? |
| 11:47.04 | Crofton|work | then commit after I make sure it works? |
| 11:48.08 | XorA | Crofton|work: actually his new hash is correct |
| 11:48.17 | XorA | Crofton|work: must have changed to patch again |
| 11:48.29 | XorA | wget -c http://busybox.net/downloads/fixes-1.13.2/busybox-1.13.2-modprobe.patch |
| 11:48.36 | XorA | md5sum busybox-1.13.2-modprobe.patch |
| 11:48.36 | XorA | b2b9d0992b055816077ec9e0e4ee7775 busybox-1.13.2-modprobe.patch |
| 11:49.50 | Crofton|work | hm |
| 11:51.02 | like2wise | hrw: no, about the deer: the guy that has a usb finger, he crashed into a deer ---- not me |
| 11:52.00 | XorA | fsck, my fault, when I originally checked the checksums I must have checked the wrong file :-( |
| 11:53.22 | Crofton|work | doh |
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| 11:57.54 | Crofton|work | XorA, how do we fix? |
| 11:58.24 | XorA | Crofton|work: remove your old cached version of the patch |
| 11:59.48 | Crofton|work | hmm |
| 11:59.51 | Crofton|work | that works |
| 12:00.04 | Crofton|work | that was a messy receovery .... |
| 12:00.50 | Crofton|work | if we have something in the local cache, how do know if it gets changed? |
| 12:01.02 | hrw | no |
| 12:01.08 | hrw | move that fucking patch into metadata |
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| 12:02.10 | Crofton|work | :) |
| 12:02.57 | Crofton|work | do we have an "official" busybox person? |
| 12:03.06 | Crofton|work | ie, who cares? |
| 12:03.19 | Crofton|work | anyone follow the project closely? |
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| 12:34.21 | XorA | Crofton|work: well volunteered :-) |
| 12:39.11 | Crofton | ok, I set up thunderbird to read from gmane and added the busybix list |
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| 12:40.30 | markos_ | timtimwork: hello, is your zoneminder/ansgtrom recipe available somewhere? |
| 12:40.40 | like2wise | yeah, there is a guy named ballister that reads the busybox ml for us :-) |
| 12:40.52 | markos_ | just found it on tinderbox, but not on git |
| 12:41.08 | like2wise | timtimwork: who of oe got a plug? |
| 12:41.34 | thebohemian | like2wise: "plug" as in sheevaplug? |
| 12:41.50 | like2wise | yes |
| 12:41.56 | timtimwork | me, and one is going to koen |
| 12:42.21 | timtimwork | also i believe others here are getting them via nslu2 (mwester, rwhitby and others...) |
| 12:42.54 | like2wise | ok cool |
| 12:43.17 | markos_ | timtimwork: speaking of which, I'll be ordering myself a few plugs one of these days, does it need much work to get OE running on this? |
| 12:43.42 | timtimwork | right - i need to look at the kernel situation |
| 12:44.00 | like2wise | markos_: not much I think |
| 12:44.07 | timtimwork | the existing linux-orion stuff belongs to my NAS devices, however a git build might be preferable for these platforms |
| 12:44.15 | like2wise | the toolchain should be ok afaik |
| 12:44.17 | markos_ | cool |
| 12:44.31 | timtimwork | git meaning, marvell git most likely |
| 12:44.43 | timtimwork | although its all going mainline at some point |
| 12:44.46 | timtimwork | :) |
| 12:44.53 | timtimwork | #openplug is the place to ask |
| 12:45.05 | rwhitby | waits for the marvell dma patches to go mainline for this TS409 speedup ... |
| 12:46.03 | markos_ | timtimwork: i intend to be working on some sort of zoneminder mini-distro for the plug, that's why I asked about your zoneminder recipe |
| 12:46.03 | timtimwork | right - i have that done |
| 12:46.03 | timtimwork | i can commit by this weekend |
| 12:46.03 | markos_ | that's great |
| 12:46.03 | timtimwork | it has some v4l hacks in to make usb cams work |
| 12:46.03 | timtimwork | but its working (tm) |
| 12:46.08 | timtimwork | i have an image already |
| 12:46.09 | timtimwork | :) |
| 12:46.11 | markos_ | :) |
| 12:46.17 | timtimwork | um, zoneminder-imagte |
| 12:46.26 | timtimwork | after i commit you should just need to build that! |
| 12:46.31 | markos_ | yeah found it on tinderbox |
| 12:46.35 | timtimwork | by/at this weekend |
| 12:46.48 | timtimwork | cool - watch the commit log this weekend :) |
| 12:47.00 | markos_ | will test it on ppc first and then on the plugs -when I get them :) |
| 12:48.39 | Crofton|work | changed u-boot list to gmane also |
| 12:50.17 | timtimwork | markos_: btw i was going to do the zoneminder image for the plug ;) but if you want to maintain it.... |
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| 12:57.48 | markos_ | timtimwork: i'll most definitely use it, i'm a total OE newbie, so I'll probably ask for help a few times till I get the hang of it :) |
| 13:02.28 | hrw | finally has to order sheevaplug |
| 13:02.42 | CIA-2 | 03Marcin Juszkiewicz <hrw@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * re1334a0cb0 10openembedded.git/recipes/busybox/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:02.42 | CIA-2 | busybox: do not fetch fixes patches but store them in metadata |
| 13:02.42 | CIA-2 | I am tired of discussions how to solve situation where upstream changes |
| 13:02.43 | CIA-2 | it's files without versioning them and we workaround it instead of |
| 13:02.43 | CIA-2 | solving. |
| 13:04.05 | Crofton|work | thanks hrw |
| 13:04.22 | hrw | np |
| 13:07.27 | hrw | btw - that mdev fix is based in mine ;) |
| 13:08.47 | Crofton|work | now we need to see about sending our busybox patches upstream :) |
| 13:12.44 | mwester | Thanks hrw! |
| 13:13.32 | like2wise | hrw: where can we order them (cheaply)? |
| 13:17.00 | hrw | like2wise: vendor site only iirc |
| 13:17.20 | like2wise | hrw: maybe buying a few is cheaper, not sure though, it may raise taxes. |
| 13:17.22 | hrw | like2wise: 99$ for device + 35$ for posting to Poland (or $41 for posting of 2 devices) |
| 13:17.36 | hrw | like2wise: in Poland I would have to pay 22% vat only |
| 13:17.48 | hrw | and will get that vat back so no big worry |
| 13:18.13 | hrw | bb in few |
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| 14:32.51 | Kgilmer- | will present some info on oe in communityone in NYC in an hour. |
| 14:34.19 | gremlin[it] | Kgilmer-, about what ? |
| 14:34.28 | hrw | fsck.. |
| 14:34.45 | Kgilmer- | Just an intro |
| 14:34.45 | hrw | can someone do "git log recipes/apache2" and tell me how many revisions it lists? |
| 14:35.37 | Crofton | hrw, 1 |
| 14:35.44 | gremlin[it] | only one, 709c4d66e0b107ca606941b988bad717c0b45d9b |
| 14:35.45 | like2wise | Kgilmer-: good luck |
| 14:35.56 | hrw | goodbye history ;( |
| 14:35.59 | Kgilmer- | Thx! |
| 14:36.45 | like2wise | Kgilmer-: so OE will build on (Open)Solaris soon (if it doesn't do so already)? |
| 14:37.47 | Kgilmer- | No idea like2wise :). I'm here to talk about bug, oe, and OSGi |
| 14:38.04 | gremlin[it] | ahhhhhhhhhh good ! |
| 14:46.00 | like2wise | Kgilmer-: your next gen system should really use a PCI Express bus. |
| 14:46.59 | Kgilmer- | Ok like2wise, I'll pass that along. |
| 14:47.34 | like2wise | Kgilmer-: it probably has all the features you need (low pin count, high speed, hot plug) by itself. |
| 14:47.44 | Kgilmer- | People are saying "jvm" a lot here. |
| 14:47.59 | Kgilmer- | Oh you mean to replace bmi bus? |
| 14:48.15 | timtimwork | maybe IBM will kill opensolaris anyway mwahaha. oops. |
| 14:48.19 | like2wise | the h/w bus that interconnects the modules |
| 14:48.29 | like2wise | timtimwork: ibm? ibm did sun? |
| 14:48.30 | Kgilmer- | Interesting... I don't think that has been considered. |
| 14:48.45 | timtimwork | like2wise: check the geek news! |
| 14:48.45 | like2wise | Kgilmer-: it's becoming dirt cheap also :-) |
| 14:49.04 | like2wise | timtimwork: oh man I got tight up in marketing today at #openplug :-) |
| 14:49.23 | flameman | anubody with h5500 ? |
| 14:49.32 | timtimwork | one less unix i have to poke daily would be great. |
| 14:49.41 | Kgilmer- | Cool likewise, I'll take a look. Thx |
| 14:49.58 | Kgilmer- | Bye |
| 14:50.08 | timtimwork | i think this falls into the wishful thinking category though |
| 14:51.03 | DJWillis | hrw: ahhh, it's not just me then, I have spent the morning unpicking my local tree after a git pull before bed last night, I wondered if history was screwed just for me. |
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| 14:51.53 | Jay7 | fennec beta released |
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| 14:54.07 | hrw | 2 days to 5 years with OE |
| 14:57.05 | mickeyl | Crofton: ping |
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| 15:00.35 | DJWillis | hrw: It looks like the sane thing to do maybe to back out of the rename and use something like git-filter-branch to get the move with history. As feared, git mv is just a git rm and git add with no join :(. |
| 15:01.55 | Crofton | pong |
| 15:02.38 | Crofton|work | bbl |
| 15:02.47 | hrw | DJWillis: mail to ML please |
| 15:03.38 | DJWillis | hrw: doing that already |
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| 15:05.31 | XorA | well the good thing is that also means the broken history is now gone :-) |
| 15:07.21 | markos_ | are packages additive to the final image? ie, if I do bitbake console-image and then bitbake mtd-utils, will the final image contain mtd-utils as well? |
| 15:07.32 | XorA | markos_: no |
| 15:10.48 | markos_ | to add my own set of packages, is it just a case of adding entries to ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL in ./openembedded/packages/images/console-image.bb ? |
| 15:11.39 | cbrake | markos_: a better way is create your own image recipe |
| 15:12.29 | cbrake | markos_: http://bec-systems.com/site/177/the-correct-way-to-add-packages-to-an-openembedded-image |
| 15:12.48 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:13.10 | mickeyl | Crofton: do you remember having that problem where you couldn't mount any NFS partitions? On one of my systems I have this now -- do you remember what it was? |
| 15:13.31 | mickeyl | Crofton|work: it seems it's looking for mount.nfs on both systems and on both systems it doesn't find it, but on one it just continues |
| 15:13.36 | mickeyl | is that some bogus kernel config? |
| 15:13.38 | mickeyl | morning k. |
| 15:14.13 | like2wise | mickeyl: util-linux has mount.nfs built-in, util-linux-ng has not |
| 15:14.17 | kergoth | DJWillis: of course its just an rm/add. git doesn't store the move as independent metadata, but instead it identifies renames by analysis after the fact, see the -M option to git diff-tree for renames, and the -C option for copies. Also see the -l<num> option to control that behavior, and --find-copies-harder |
| 15:14.21 | like2wise | mickeyl: also, did you try with -o nolock |
| 15:14.25 | mickeyl | d'oh! |
| 15:14.29 | mickeyl | no, let me try |
| 15:14.36 | markos_ | cbrake: thanks |
| 15:14.37 | like2wise | mickeyl: and/or portmap |
| 15:14.43 | mickeyl | always without portmap |
| 15:14.48 | like2wise | mickeyl: k |
| 15:14.51 | mickeyl | it's not stricly needed is it? |
| 15:14.55 | like2wise | mickeyl: no |
| 15:14.57 | like2wise | mickeyl: me 2 |
| 15:15.21 | like2wise | mickeyl: uhm, also sometimes it doesn't work for me when the server cannot (reverse?) resolve the name/ip |
| 15:15.45 | mickeyl | interesting |
| 15:15.53 | mickeyl | oh darn, indeed i have util-linux-ng here |
| 15:15.56 | Crofton | mickeyl, firewall? |
| 15:16.02 | mickeyl | Crofton: no, same systems |
| 15:16.03 | like2wise | mickeyl: no it's not interesting, it's annoying :-) |
| 15:16.17 | Crofton | and the mount.nfs issue |
| 15:16.25 | mickeyl | yeah, it's the mount.nfs thingy |
| 15:16.35 | like2wise | mickeyl: nfs-utils it was I think that provides it |
| 15:16.41 | mickeyl | aah |
| 15:16.43 | mickeyl | builds it |
| 15:16.56 | like2wise | or linux-utils (I forget, it moved from one to the other) |
| 15:17.35 | like2wise | mickeyl: actually , -ng had mount.nfs up to and including 2.13, so it took me quite some time to find out why 2.14 broke it for me. |
| 15:17.45 | mickeyl | heh, bummer |
| 15:17.50 | mickeyl | why do they do somethign like that |
| 15:17.51 | like2wise | mickeyl: maybe we should note this in the recipe |
| 15:17.54 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:18.07 | like2wise | mickeyl: because I have forgotten this in a few months :-) |
| 15:18.35 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 15:19.34 | mickeyl | hmm, nfsutils needs some libwrap it can't find |
| 15:19.50 | like2wise | hmm, missing DEPENDS?? |
| 15:20.34 | mickeyl | ah, no, my fault |
| 15:20.42 | mickeyl | bitbake -b ;) |
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| 15:21.50 | mickeyl | adds nfs-utils-client to task-cli-toos |
| 15:21.50 | mickeyl | tools, that is |
| 15:22.20 | mickeyl | who is koansoftware@gmail.com? |
| 15:22.28 | hrw | mickeyl: mckoan |
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| 15:22.44 | mickeyl | tried to subscribe to oe-private. what should i do? |
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| 15:23.45 | kergoth | must've missed an email thread, what's oe-private? |
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| 15:24.06 | timtimwork | its where the secret parties are organised |
| 15:24.58 | kergoth | gasp |
| 15:25.04 | kergoth | sexy parties? |
| 15:26.04 | DJWillis | kergoth: ahhh, well I guess that maybe true, just seemed a little extreme, oh well, disregard my mailing list post then (coming from someone who is not quite 100% GIT'ed ;-)) |
| 15:26.07 | timtimwork | with hookers, and flapjacks |
| 15:26.07 | hrw | mickeyl: ignore |
| 15:26.18 | mickeyl | hrw: ok, i'm good at tha |
| 15:26.19 | mickeyl | t |
| 15:26.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: oe-private is our mailing list for corporate issues, has been there since the first company wanted to contact us but wanted to remain undisclosed |
| 15:26.53 | mickeyl | rarely used these days |
| 15:27.01 | mickeyl | just when large scale decisions are due |
| 15:27.03 | mickeyl | or someone freaks out |
| 15:27.04 | kergoth | DJWillis: its just a different approach on the git developers part, arguable, but was their choice. I can see why |
| 15:27.04 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 15:27.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: ahh |
| 15:27.09 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 15:27.28 | mickeyl | feel free to join |
| 15:27.35 | DJWillis | kergoth: I can also see why, just hit me with a very large WTF moment. |
| 15:27.38 | hrw | just got reminder how stupid questions I had on #oe five years ago... |
| 15:27.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:27.44 | kergoth | git does that at first, on occasion ;) |
| 15:28.10 | DJWillis | Coming from projects where history is the big deal. |
| 15:28.49 | kergoth | the history still there, but it's more implicit rather than explicit. i could see a CM person being rather upset by this |
| 15:29.34 | DJWillis | kergoth: now I dig into this it starts to make sense and I wish I had not hit send ;-) |
| 15:30.07 | kergoth | no worries, just wanted to make sure you knew it was a design decision on their part, not a "bug" persay, or anything denix did wrong in the rename |
| 15:30.57 | markos_ | hm, i get an error about rm: command not found when running bitbake on my recipe right after this message: |
| 15:31.12 | markos_ | Installing staging-angstrom-version-efika-angstrom-linux (2009.X-test-20090318-r2) to root... |
| 15:31.13 | markos_ | Configuring staging-angstrom-version-efika-angstrom-linux |
| 15:31.15 | markos_ | sh: rm: command not found |
| 15:31.16 | markos_ | NOTE: Staging package found but invalid for /stuff/openembedded/packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb |
| 15:31.18 | markos_ | sorry for the paste |
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| 15:31.53 | markos_ | i'm grepping to find the culprit, but it takes a long time... :/ |
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| 15:34.12 | kergoth | DJWillis: note that you can do git log --follow for log to follow through the renames |
| 15:34.17 | mckoan | mickeyl: that's me :-D |
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| 15:36.12 | hrw | kergoth: thx for hint |
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| 15:39.04 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/03/18/five-years-with-openembedded/ |
| 15:39.10 | DJWillis | kergoth: now I feel a total tool ;-) |
| 15:39.23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:39.24 | hrw | DJWillis: so feel free to answer yourself on ML |
| 15:39.39 | DJWillis | hrw: have done. |
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| 15:40.15 | kergoth | hrw: wow, i can't believe its been that long |
| 15:40.24 | kergoth | wonders how long its been since he bought his Z... |
| 15:40.56 | kergoth | i need to make a timeline like that for my career and other life events at some point, i never remember when things happened |
| 15:41.23 | hrw | kergoth: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tag/timeline/ is what I do |
| 15:41.24 | kergoth | wow, the sl5000d developer contest was 7 years, 3 months ago |
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| 15:41.34 | kergoth | and i bought my Z around there |
| 15:41.49 | kergoth | hrw: ah thats cool |
| 15:41.53 | hrw | kergoth: OZ was registered : 2001-12-30 09:08 on sf.net |
| 15:42.32 | kergoth | yep, right around the same time |
| 15:42.32 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:43.15 | hrw | kergoth: such timelines posts are quite easy to write when done yearly |
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| 15:46.40 | flameman | anubody with h5500 ? |
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| 16:07.28 | kergoth | hrw: i was thinking itd be kind of cool to do something with twitter. its one line per post kind of mode would be conducive to posts of updates when something happens |
| 16:07.30 | kergoth | shrugs |
| 16:08.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: any opinion on the package maintainance post? |
| 16:11.31 | kergoth | hrw: heh, re not writing apps from scratch, i'm the same way. keep meaning to start something, but i can't seem to think of anything other than revamping parts of bitbake... kind of annoying :) |
| 16:11.32 | mickeyl | kergoth: not really. If you think it's good, then I agree. |
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| 16:26.54 | CIA-2 | 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r43da5a343a 10openembedded.git/recipes/tasks/task-cli-tools.bb: task-cli-tools: ship nfs-utils-client |
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| 16:28.09 | kergoth | tries to figure out which of his ssh keypairs is on the OpenEmbedded git server |
| 16:28.17 | kergoth | should really delete his old ones |
| 16:29.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: you have rights to change my pub key on the git server, by chance? :) |
| 16:29.19 | mickeyl | yes |
| 16:29.50 | mickeyl | send me your new one |
| 16:31.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: sent, thanks |
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| 17:30.31 | hrw | rebasing never was fun ;( |
| 17:31.00 | hrw | 87 patches to rebase |
| 17:31.04 | hrw | small squashing party |
| 17:31.54 | hrw | looks like packages -> recipes made rebasing harder |
| 17:35.10 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.16 | hrw | big patches |
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| 17:43.09 | robtow | oh? |
| 17:46.11 | Crofton|work | http://markmail.org/message/x7ubgl6wanubwa3g#query:git%20mv%20lost%20history+page:1+mid:pl3pbiuhzu2excg7+state:results |
| 17:46.13 | Crofton|work | hrw ping |
| 17:47.28 | hrw | ping |
| 17:48.09 | Crofton|work | se url |
| 17:48.24 | Crofton|work | I complained about git mv on twitter and sa friend sent me that link |
| 17:49.10 | hrw | ok |
| 17:49.24 | kergoth_ | huh, forgot --follow doesn't work for a dir |
| 17:49.37 | hrw | 57 patches to rebase |
| 17:49.45 | hrw | 30 squashed already |
| 17:49.49 | hrw | -> off |
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| 18:36.39 | robtow | Anyone know the difference between BSD-ADV license and the BSD license? What's th "ADV" denote? |
| 18:37.12 | denix | re |
| 18:37.29 | denix | was I hiding long enough to avoid people's anger? :) |
| 18:37.42 | robtow | Hi denix |
| 18:38.16 | denix | robtow: hi |
| 18:38.29 | kergoth_ | robtaylor: w/ & w/o advertisement clause. |
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| 18:38.58 | kergoth_ | i dont think bsd w/ advert clause is gpl compliant, but i'm a bit fuzzy on the licensing issues, rusty |
| 18:39.11 | kergoth_ | check the opensource.org descriptions, probably |
| 18:39.16 | like2wise | w/ adv clause is *incompatible* with gpl, I think |
| 18:39.25 | Crofton|work | right |
| 18:39.26 | denix | kergoth_: I got my sl5500 the first day it became available. but I was following the early Zaurus development, just never bought the sl5500d version... |
| 18:39.32 | like2wise | because it enforces a restriction |
| 18:39.33 | XorA|gone | I think GPLv3 has support for the with advertising clause |
| 18:39.58 | Crofton|work | avoid advertising stuff |
| 18:40.11 | Crofton|work | I thought people had pretty much eliminated it |
| 18:40.30 | kergoth_ | usually goes with MIT or X11 for his own stuff, just to avoid the confusion w/ two versions of BSD |
| 18:40.35 | like2wise | BSD-ADV:This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. |
| 18:40.52 | like2wise | sorry, forget the BSD-ADV prefix! |
| 18:40.54 | broonie | Crofton|work: UCB relicensed all their stuff but there's other things out there. |
| 18:40.57 | robtow | There's one package that has it - <file-4.21> |
| 18:41.42 | kergoth_ | that has what, BSD or BSD-ADV? |
| 18:42.13 | robtow | BSD-ADV |
| 18:42.35 | like2wise | robtow: check upstream if that's still the case, or inside the package. |
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| 19:00.30 | hrw | 87 -> 48 |
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| 19:05.34 | hrw | git rebase roxx |
| 19:09.49 | hrw | 87 -> 25 ;D |
| 19:13.46 | like2wise | eFfeM: interesse in een plug? |
| 19:14.10 | Crofton|work | what is the conclusion about the renaming? |
| 19:18.38 | mwester | Crofton|work: good question. I had not considered the impact on git log... that's a PITA |
| 19:20.53 | kergoth_ | it's not that difficult to work around, i don't see an issue |
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| 19:26.25 | DJWillis | mwester: so I was not totally being mad about the rename/log stuff? |
| 19:29.03 | eFfeM | like2wise was afk (coffee break); als je er gunstig aan kunt komen: ja |
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| 19:34.00 | keesj | is there a "generic" devshell that I can use when I just want oe to setup the right path to the compiler and ARCH things? |
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| 19:39.55 | hrw | uf.. 87 -> 17 |
| 19:42.30 | kergoth_ | keesj: devshell is a task in base.bbclass, and the classes don't function without a recipe |
| 19:48.46 | khem | has uclibc compiling in thumb mode |
| 19:48.51 | khem | wonder if it will boot |
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| 19:50.10 | gremlin[it] | to fetch the OE repo just before the change packages -> recipes is this the correct command to issue `git fetch origin tag mv-packages-to-recipes-pre` |
| 19:50.14 | gremlin[it] | ??? |
| 19:50.34 | hrw | gremlin[it]: git checkout fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba |
| 19:50.53 | hrw | I use this rev now to rebase rpm stuff |
| 19:51.48 | gremlin[it] | i got `fatal: reference is not a tree: fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba` ... i have a my private branch locally to do some test ... |
| 19:52.02 | hrw | gremlin[it]: do 'git fetch' first |
| 19:52.28 | gremlin[it] | so usually i did 'git fetch origin; git rebase origin/org.openembedded.dev' |
| 19:53.47 | khem | gremlin[it]: you can stash your local changes git stash;git pull;git stash apply |
| 19:54.19 | khem | it will apply your changes on top of renamed dirs git stash knows about it |
| 19:54.31 | khem | provided you want to move to latest top of tree |
| 19:55.03 | gremlin[it] | i'm still not familiar with git ... |
| 19:55.48 | khem | any files that are not known to git wont be moved |
| 19:56.05 | gremlin[it] | hot to "fetch" from a tag ??? |
| 19:56.29 | florian | re |
| 19:56.31 | kergoth | i think you should read a git tutorial |
| 19:56.32 | gremlin[it] | khem, yes in fact i have to commit to my branch any change ... |
| 19:56.45 | kergoth | gremlin[it]: no, he already told you, you can use git stash |
| 19:56.52 | kergoth | for any local uncommitted changes |
| 19:57.29 | hrw | my way is rebase, format-patch, reset, clean, edit-patches,am |
| 19:57.34 | gremlin[it] | kergoth, ok maybe but ... how to pull to a specific tag still remain a valid question ... |
| 19:57.35 | khem | git fetch -t <tag> |
| 19:57.48 | kergoth | no, it doesnt. that question is nonsensical. |
| 19:57.49 | gremlin[it] | thank khem ! |
| 19:57.56 | CIA-2 | 03Philip Balister <philip@balister.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r49c1a7699a 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.27/omap5912osk/defconfig: linux-omap_2.6.27 : Enable TMP FS for omap5912osk. |
| 19:57.57 | kergoth | do you want to -check out- a tag? |
| 19:58.35 | gremlin[it] | kergoth, i said, i'm not familiar (just a beginner) with git ... |
| 19:59.16 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/diffs/rpm-oe/ - effect of 3h with rebase/format-patch/edit/am |
| 19:59.21 | khem | hrw: will git rebase port uncommitted changes too ? |
| 19:59.42 | hrw | khem: what keeps you from commiting them locally? |
| 19:59.44 | kergoth | you can't rebase with local changes floatin around. you need to stash, then rebase, then stash apply/pop |
| 19:59.47 | kergoth | or commit them |
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| 20:00.15 | hrw | Tartarus: ping |
| 20:00.23 | khem | kergoth: yeah I use git stash |
| 20:00.47 | hrw | Tartarus: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/diffs/rpm-oe/ contains patchset for current HEAD of oe.dev |
| 20:00.54 | khem | hrw: I change frquently and history will grow and I havent explored editing history yet |
| 20:01.01 | gremlin[it] | khem, `git fetch origin -t mv-packages-to-recipes-pre` return back error "fatal: Couldn't find remote ref mv-packages-to-recipes-pre" |
| 20:01.18 | hrw | khem: format-patch, rebase, am are your friends then |
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| 20:01.33 | XorA|gone | gremlin[it]: you are mixing up fetch/pull and checkout operations |
| 20:01.39 | hrw | gremlin[it]: do 'git fetch' - it will fetch all commits into your database |
| 20:02.06 | gremlin[it] | hrw, done and OK |
| 20:02.12 | hrw | gremlin[it]: fetch do just fetching. no changes to any branch/workingcopy |
| 20:03.44 | gremlin[it] | `git rebase origin/org.openembedded.dev -t mv-packages-to-recipes-pre` seem to do what i would ... |
| 20:04.32 | hrw | gremlin[it]: 'git rebase -i fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba' do same |
| 20:04.53 | hrw | as fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba was last change before rename |
| 20:05.00 | gremlin[it] | hrw, 99.99% yes ;) |
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| 20:13.20 | denix | so, to summarize, when would you need to do rebase instead of stash? |
| 20:15.19 | flameman | anybody knows somebody with h5500 ? please help me ... it seems we have no working 2.6 kernel |
| 20:15.46 | flameman | bitbake has no working kernel for h5000 |
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| 20:16.06 | flameman | also the angstrom h5000 is not working :( |
| 20:16.25 | hrw | denix: stash for not commited, rebase for commited |
| 20:17.03 | denix | commited but not pushed, right? |
| 20:17.34 | MostAwesomeDude | $ git stash # save uncommitted work |
| 20:17.37 | hrw | yes |
| 20:17.51 | MostAwesomeDude | $ git pull --rebase # make sure that we rebase instead of merge |
| 20:17.58 | MostAwesomeDude | $ git stash apply |
| 20:18.14 | MostAwesomeDude | $ git log # review stuff, make sure i've selected the right commits |
| 20:18.17 | MostAwesomeDude | $ git push origin master |
| 20:18.22 | denix | yeah, that's what I always do |
| 20:18.28 | MostAwesomeDude | That's my process, and it works pretty well. |
| 20:19.45 | denix | the only thing is: I hate rebase - too manual process and breaks easily... Instead I usually reset my commits, stash, pull, re-apply stash back and then repeat the commit... :) |
| 20:20.07 | hrw | denix: meet format-patch+am combo |
| 20:20.32 | hrw | sometimes with vim inside |
| 20:20.55 | denix | I know, weird, by I found stash working more reliable than rebase. I'd rather re-commit than resolve potential conflicts... :) |
| 20:21.05 | denix | hrw: good point! |
| 20:21.26 | hrw | I use stash only for ugly things which I do not want to push |
| 20:21.35 | hrw | denix: own branches are also good |
| 20:22.12 | hrw | as long as you do not push them you can rebase |
| 20:22.36 | flameman | so no help 4 me ? :( |
| 20:23.02 | hrw | flameman: get a life, get a working device |
| 20:23.16 | denix | I guess I need to practice rebasing so it won't scare me that much :) |
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| 20:23.28 | flameman | hrw, damn the hell, the hh says "2.6" is working, so i spend my money there |
| 20:23.38 | flameman | hrw, it seems people says lies ! |
| 20:23.47 | denix | flameman: sorry. have you asked koen? |
| 20:23.48 | hrw | flameman: its hh |
| 20:24.10 | hrw | denix: I do not feel that Koen touched h5xxx during last 2 years |
| 20:24.40 | flameman | hrw, koen .. well his angstrom/h5000 is not working at all, but he simply ignore it |
| 20:24.50 | denix | hrw: you may be right... |
| 20:25.14 | hrw | flameman: I have c760 but I do not care how OE works on it. |
| 20:25.23 | flameman | hrw, people has reported the angstrom/h5000 live is not working (cause haret is not working, cause the 2.6 kernel is not working) |
| 20:25.32 | hrw | flameman: and? |
| 20:25.40 | flameman | hrw ... and ... it was 1 year ago |
| 20:25.45 | hrw | flameman: thats normal with devices which no one want to support |
| 20:26.05 | hrw | flameman: h36xx/38xx/39xx/5xxx are BRICKS not pda |
| 20:26.17 | flameman | hrw ... so why the hh pages are reporting "h5000 GOOD support around 2.6 kernel" ? |
| 20:26.23 | flameman | hrw is it a full lie ? |
| 20:26.28 | hrw | who use such devices today for something today? |
| 20:26.31 | gremlin[it] | hrw, h3900 too ? |
| 20:26.43 | hrw | flameman: why you do not ask on #handhelds.org or handhelds.org mailing lists? |
| 20:26.54 | hrw | gremlin[it]: it is big and heavy |
| 20:26.58 | flameman | hrw cause they are died |
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| 20:27.04 | denix | hrw: do you mean you don't use c760 at all or you don't use OE on it? |
| 20:27.24 | hrw | denix: I do not use it all and it has Poky installed |
| 20:28.40 | hrw | flameman: and they took whole support for those devices with themself |
| 20:29.39 | flameman | hrw the point is ... i read the hh pages, they are reporting lies ! |
| 20:30.00 | hrw | flameman: no, they are not reporting lies. they do not update for years |
| 20:30.06 | flameman | hrw no ! |
| 20:30.27 | flameman | hrw there is NO working 2.6 kernel for h50000 |
| 20:30.29 | flameman | no one ! |
| 20:30.37 | hrw | flameman: so what? |
| 20:30.53 | flameman | so the h5000 is reporting lies ! |
| 20:30.55 | hrw | flameman: I said you some time ago: buy h22xx or hx4700 |
| 20:30.58 | gremlin[it] | hrw, it's true but should be functional ... :) |
| 20:31.00 | flameman | it says "good 2.6 support" |
| 20:31.13 | flameman | hrw crist, i need the pcmcia ! |
| 20:31.31 | flameman | anyway .... i will try to resell on eaby |
| 20:31.39 | flameman | the question is ending now |
| 20:31.40 | flameman | . |
| 20:32.55 | hrw | flameman: pcmcia for wifi or storage? |
| 20:33.12 | flameman | for what i have to develop |
| 20:33.59 | hrw | flameman: then find some old devboard with pxa255/26x/27x and pcmcia slot? |
| 20:41.27 | _diego_ | flameman: how hard it is to port driver to a recent 2.6? ^^ |
| 20:47.45 | hrw | argh.. 89°C on core2quad is not sane |
| 20:47.58 | mwester | er, no. |
| 20:47.59 | hrw | bye all - this night will be sponsored by no-power |
| 20:48.05 | _diego_ | except in winter, you can turn of the heater ^^ |
| 20:48.16 | hrw | 74°C after half minute |
| 20:48.18 | mwester | although the newer 45nm chips run much much hotter than the older ones, I've found. |
| 20:48.32 | mwester | hrw: your cpu fan must have failed. |
| 20:48.43 | hrw | mwester: it has 2000 rpm |
| 20:48.57 | mwester | gah! |
| 20:49.09 | _diego_ | 2000 rpm is quite slw |
| 20:49.19 | hrw | tomorrow I will take it off and clean with aircan |
| 20:49.27 | mwester | my core2quad usually spins the cpu fan at 650 |
| 20:49.36 | hrw | _diego_: its intel boxed cooling |
| 20:49.39 | mwester | goes to about 1800 under load |
| 20:49.54 | gremlin[it] | grrr not able to work with git tag ;( |
| 20:50.13 | mwester | hrw: I have a brand new 45nm quad core with intel boxed fan -- goes no higher than 62 C under full load. |
| 20:50.30 | hrw | mwester: I have q6600 - 65nm |
| 20:50.51 | mwester | I have (or actually the wife has) one of those as well. |
| 20:51.05 | mwester | the 6600 is a very nice chip; runs very cool usually. |
| 20:51.16 | mwester | checks |
| 20:51.36 | mwester | no load on the q6600 right now -- about 38 C |
| 20:51.57 | mwester | I've never seen it go over 55 C but it has a better cooler than the intel one. |
| 20:52.08 | hrw | I am considering changing it |
| 20:52.20 | mwester | still, I cannot imagine that 75 C in 30 seconds is normal with *any* fan at all! |
| 20:52.27 | _diego_ | here: old sempron 2800 - 36C |
| 20:52.29 | _diego_ | :D |
| 20:53.10 | hrw | _diego_: my max is athlonxp 1700+ with 105°C |
| 20:53.12 | _diego_ | and 60C during OE build |
| 20:53.26 | _diego_ | :S |
| 20:53.47 | _diego_ | that's crazy |
| 20:53.50 | mwester | :-O 105 ??!! |
| 20:53.57 | hrw | yes. 105°C |
| 20:54.08 | mwester | you can boil eggs on that :D |
| 20:54.09 | timtimred | athlons have a max working temp of less than that. |
| 20:54.15 | _diego_ | but indeed is a strong cpu, if can work at this temp! |
| 20:54.16 | timtimred | supposedly. |
| 20:54.18 | hrw | fan died but mainboard did not checked that |
| 20:54.29 | timtimred | athlon xp anyway. |
| 20:54.51 | hrw | timtimred: it was able to run <1 minute before overheating. enough to enter bios and check temp |
| 20:55.25 | gremlin[it] | water boil ... put the pasta !!! :) |
| 20:55.35 | mwester | wonders if hrw's mainboard has a voltage regulator failure that is heating up the CPU so fast. |
| 20:57.06 | hrw | mwester: good point |
| 20:57.29 | hrw | 1.3V is default iirc |
| 20:57.36 | timtimred | yes, i think it was 90 degress something from the presentations |
| 20:57.36 | hrw | reboots to bios to check |
| 20:57.41 | hrw | bye all |
| 20:57.47 | timtimred | erm, i might still have the spec sheets. |
| 20:58.05 | timtimred | was an amd rep once. before they were better than intel the first time. |
| 20:58.09 | khem | 95% is max limit on amd chisp |
| 20:58.09 | timtimred | :/ |
| 20:58.23 | khem | 95C |
| 20:58.42 | mwester | 100C on the Intel 45nm CPUs, but considerably lower on the 65nm ones. |
| 21:00.15 | khem | hrw's cpu must be overclocked |
| 21:00.17 | timtimred | i like my core2quad. im sure i7 is a lot better but no hurry :) |
| 21:01.11 | mwester | i7 was too expensive (w/motherboard) for me; I just bought a good 45nm cpu instead |
| 21:01.13 | _diego_ | i'd really like a pc with a dual core cortex-19, no fan and no worry for cpu temp :D |
| 21:01.18 | khem | Intel Core i7 3.2 GHz Processor for under 1000 USD |
| 21:01.29 | _diego_ | s/19/a9/ |
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| 21:05.13 | hrw | mwester: that was it! |
| 21:05.29 | hrw | I do not know why CPU was running on 1.554V instead of 1.2875V |
| 21:05.42 | hrw | forced proper value in bios and 36°C now |
| 21:05.55 | hrw | and decreasing |
| 21:06.08 | _diego_ | someone changed you bios settings? |
| 21:06.37 | hrw | _diego_: who knows what is in that closed soft... |
| 21:07.24 | hrw | anyway it gives me info that this cpu can run at 90°C |
| 21:08.08 | denix | hrw: it could be lm_sensors fault. have you checked the actual temp values in BIOS? |
| 21:08.17 | hrw | ok, build with rpm packages is going now |
| 21:08.22 | hrw | denix: same in both |
| 21:08.51 | khem | hrw: what type of cpu is it |
| 21:09.12 | denix | hrw: my q6600 runs similar to mwester's 35-55 C |
| 21:09.32 | denix | khem: I believe he said Intel Q6600 |
| 21:09.51 | hrw | khem: intel core2quad q6600 |
| 21:10.04 | hrw | -> sleep |
| 21:10.22 | denix | hrw: I did replace the heatsink though - it's Ninja with 120mm fan - that runs from 800 to 1200 rpm |
| 21:10.31 | hrw|gone | btw - do not forget to read: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/03/18/five-years-with-openembedded/ ;D |
| 21:11.29 | denix | hrw|gone: nice log! :) I bought my sl5500 in early 2002 |
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| 21:18.59 | ArteK | need help http://pastebin.com/m74821835 :) |
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| 21:31.20 | khem | ArteK: is this new problem you are seeing |
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| 21:33.22 | ArteK | khem: i googled and don't find haw to fix this |
| 21:33.25 | khem | ArteK: if it started to happen recently (after march 10) then could you try to remove 15595fa2e1222509a57ae6c2e55ef9d8b8829989 commit and see if it works |
| 21:33.50 | khem | ArteK: I understand the problem but I do not see this problem on my end. |
| 21:34.00 | ArteK | khem: i'm new in oe |
| 21:37.14 | khem | ArteK: Can you try svn version of bitbake instead of 1.8.12 |
| 21:37.36 | ArteK | khem: hm, ok i will try |
| 21:37.52 | khem | other think would be rebase to 15595fa2e1222509a57ae6c2e55ef9d8b8829989 |
| 21:37.58 | khem | and try |
| 21:40.55 | khem | iow revert http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=31abc4f83484990470e1fedfecd9d3a2ea9cf3dc |
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| 22:13.19 | ArteK | khem: thanks, rebase fix problem |
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| 22:29.41 | khem | ArteK: hmm ok thx for letting me know |
| 22:42.18 | khem | ArteK: Do you have those .la files in your build tree somewhere ? |
| 22:43.50 | ArteK | yes, at /media/other/svn/oe/build/angstrom/tmp/staging/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib |
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| 22:45.17 | ArteK | khem: and at /media/other/svn/oe/build/angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ncurses-5.4-r17/ncurses-5.4/lib there 4 .la files |
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| 22:47.10 | khem | ok can you paste the later ones somewhere |
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| 22:50.41 | dent | evening |
| 22:51.24 | dent | where do the revisions/versions that bitbake -s spits come from? |
| 22:51.27 | ArteK | khem: here http://pastebin.com/m775bb93b, libncurses.la from two other places have different dependency_libs |
| 22:51.47 | dent | I see sane-srcrevs.inc is produced from bitbake -s |
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| 22:52.45 | ArteK | ok, now i need learn how to create bbfiles :-) |
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| 22:59.03 | khem | ArteK: Do you have libform.la too ? |
| 23:01.00 | ArteK | khem: yes, and libmenu.la, libpanel.la |
| 23:02.35 | khem | ArteK: Can you paste those too from your workdir not from staging |
| 23:06.22 | ArteK | khem: please are 4 files http://pastebin.com/m6de8ce5c |
| 23:15.08 | khem | ArteK: thx, what host do you use |
| 23:15.47 | ArteK | khem: archlinux x64_86 |
| 23:22.08 | khem | thx |
| 23:26.41 | dent | hm... could anybody here try bitbake dbus-c++ pls? I mean... I think the bb file is broken, but I'm not quite sure it's not caused by distro... |
| 23:27.29 | dent | build results on web say it built ok Feb 26th hm |
| 23:27.56 | dent | (broken = no longer can be fetched from given svn url) |
| 23:29.18 | dent | if I understand it well, first distro mirrors are (at least for angstrom and OM, this is what I looked at) tried... and only if this fails, svn is used |
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