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03:07.55AlTheKillerAnyone know how to make the omap dss2 driver a bit more verbose on startup?
03:08.12AlTheKillerbesides omapfb.debug and omap-dss.debug
03:08.20AlTheKiller'cause they don't seem to do jack.
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07:50.46gremlin[it]hi all ...
08:02.40mckoangood morning
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09:27.03jkridner|workHas anyone seen something like:  File "/home/jkridner/bin/bitbake", line 191    finally:  SyntaxError: invalid syntax
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09:34.12RP__jkridner|work: old python version?
09:35.25the_OJRP?
09:35.34floriangood morning
09:36.09the_OJgood morning people
09:37.07the_OJi am still stuck at creating native packages using BBCLASSEXTEND and amend.inc
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09:58.45hrwmorning
10:00.05florianhi hrw
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10:04.13jkridner|workRP__: Python 2.4.3
10:04.20jkridner|worklooks up what version is required.
10:05.09jkridner|workguess I need to move to 2.6.
10:12.40hrwjkridner|work: 2.4 should be fine for bitbake 1.8 iirc
10:15.08RP__jkridner|work: 2.5 or 2.6 are more common now
10:21.50jkridner|workhmmm...  I made an attempt to add a new fetch class for 'repo'.
10:22.06jkridner|workI'll try to remove it.  I expect it will work when I do.
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11:13.57GNUtoohrw, should we take embedded books for the stand? like embedded linux primer?
11:14.02GNUtoohi btw
11:14.12hrwI never read such ones
11:14.46GNUtoook
11:15.07GNUtooI took it because it had interesting stuff on bootloader debugging
11:15.28GNUtoobasically how to follow a relocatible bootloader
11:15.31GNUtooand similar stuff
11:16.15GNUtooI looked at another one but the other one was on how to build a distro...uninteresting when you already know it
11:17.38hrw'building embedded distros'?
11:18.32GNUtoothings like this
11:19.28mckoanGNUtoo: I've plenty of books, but I have limited wheight with Ryanair
11:21.31GNUtooI also have limited weight
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11:24.31pb_florian: good morning
11:25.27florianhi pb_
11:26.17florianI should search for the SD card with the BeagleBoard demo image...
11:26.29florianthis would be useful for fosdem
11:31.44hrwindeed
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11:59.22ynezzJaMa|Gone: author of xinput_calibrator is Tias, and it would be better to create ticket/issue on github with patch attached :)
11:59.33JaMa|Goneynezz: already found.. and forwarded :)
11:59.35ynezzcan somebody change that 12:58:58 -!- #oe Cannot send to channel
11:59.51ynezzit's almost a week with that +R :)
12:00.27ynezzthere's a way to disable channel wide ctcp via different channel mode
12:00.38JaMa|Goneynezz: yes patch would be great, but someone who already checked that code could prepare it faster (if he consider that feature usefull too)
12:01.24JaMa|Goneynezz: have you tried those gta01 images?
12:01.43ynezznot yet, overloaded, but will try later today
12:01.52JaMa|Goneok, thanks
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12:04.36ynezzdidn't read your email till the end :( now I get it
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12:29.59florianIs tere an environment variable I can set to make Qt/E turn off the mouse cursor instead of passing an argument to the application.
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12:48.06the_OJBBCLASSEXTEND does not seem to be working with amend.inc ... has anyone tried it?
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13:00.49incandescantthe_OJ: we use BBCLASSEXTEND within inc files in Poky
13:07.05mckoanJaMa|Gone: what't the matter with xinput_calibrator?
13:10.09mckoanJaMa|Gone: I'm reading your email :-)
13:10.58JaMa|Gonemckoan: already forwarded to Tias..
13:11.22JaMa|Gonemckoan: you can consider it as feature request if you're interested..
13:12.03JaMa|Gonemckoan: IIRC old tscal or some other utility I used in openzaurus days had similar functionality
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13:13.04mckoanJaMa|Gone: ok, thx
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13:51.28GNUtoohi, I've my build blocked by: imlib2_view.c:296: error: impossible constraint in 'asm'
13:51.30mckoanGNUtoo: which airport are you leaving from?
13:51.40GNUtooI'm building for angstrom and bug
13:51.49GNUtoomckoan, bergamo I think
13:52.02GNUtoomckoan, tomorrow morning
13:52.08mckoanGNUtoo: at 8:20 ?
13:52.12GNUtooI'll check
13:52.34GNUtooI think so
13:52.51mckoanGNUtoo: see you there :;-)
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13:53.21GNUtoook
13:53.35GNUtoomckoan, should I wear my oe badge to be recognized?
13:54.02mckoanGNUtoo: I'm with other friends from GeexBox project
13:54.11GNUtoook nice
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14:21.18pitillohello good afternoon, can someone give me a hint about where can I find a kernel for an htcsable compatible device?  (it's an hp ipaq 6915)
14:22.37GNUtoopitillo, look in your machine config
14:22.43GNUtooif you have one
14:23.46pitilloGNUtoo: I found the hh.org cvs repository which seems to provide a kernel tree and support for it, but there's no way to build a kernel for that device (not sure if it's an oudated or non maintained device)
14:24.27GNUtoobitbaking the respective kenrel doesn't work?
14:25.56pitilloGNUtoo: I'm building without oe. I didn't know it can be built from oe. The only reference I got from oe was the conf/machine/htcsable.conf
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14:26.26chouimatmorning
14:28.30GNUtoook
14:29.53pitilloGNUtoo: thank you very much for that tip. I will look for info to see if I can find any clue to build a kernel for this device.
14:30.03GNUtoook
14:30.13GNUtoojust bitbake the most recent handleds kernel
14:30.17GNUtoothat would be easier
14:31.34pitilloGNUtoo: I think I got the package system from oe, but not the kernel, but I'm not sure. I haven't experience with oe, only some reads about what it is and how it work
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14:45.47hrwre
14:46.40hrwpitillo: hh.org cvs? it still live/
14:46.41hrw?
14:47.35pitillohrw: seems so, at least last night, but seems to be outdated and not maintained
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14:48.20pitilloI only found a kernel for this htcsable device there, and another reference to it on the oe packages metadata repository
14:48.47hrwwhich just shows how old that device is
14:48.54pitillobut this last reference it's focused on packages, not kernel. I'm a bit lost at this point
14:49.18pitillohrw: yes, it's an old device, but it's an interesting device too
14:49.48florianhrw: you don't nomw about _old_ devices ;)
14:49.52florianeh know
14:51.03hrwflorian: yep, ipaq 3630 for example
14:51.25florianhrw: Yes better... :-)
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14:52.58kergothhey
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14:53.13mckoanis gazing at his iPaq-3950 on the desktop
14:53.14florianhi kergoth
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14:54.26florianadds the Iris and VR3 to the list of very ealy devices
14:54.40hrwAgenda VR3?
14:55.18mckoanhrw: LOL I had got an Agenda VR3 :-D
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14:56.08florianhrw: yes
14:56.31florianThe CATS is a good one as well.
14:56.55hrwflorian: you should open museum
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14:57.55florianhrw: kc has enough for a museum...
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15:02.30florianA museum for sourcecode would be cool...
15:02.47florianwould show Redboot there
15:04.36hrw;D
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15:08.49hrwbye - see you on fosdem or after
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15:11.16pitillowell, seems that the PREFERRED_PROVIDER for the htcsable is the one at handhelds.org
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15:20.06eFfeMhave a good trip hrw-gone-fosdem
15:21.43pb__morning kergoth
15:22.31kergothhey pb__
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15:56.56CosmicPenguinkergoth: you are a git guru - do you know if there is a way to turn off hooks on a specific branch?
15:57.18kergoththe hook script would have to do it
15:57.25kergothyou could make it obey a git-config setting
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15:59.49pitillothank you very much for your time too
15:59.58pitillosorry, wrong window
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16:08.44CosmicPenguinkergoth: ew.. :)
16:08.59CosmicPenguinwaits until it becomes an isssue
16:09.01kergothyep, think its the only option though, hooks are repo wide
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16:14.09RP__agrees kergoth
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16:39.40GNUtoohi FD_ZERO(&fdset); result in that  | imlib2_view.c:296: error: impossible constraint in 'asm' with angstrom+bug under oe.dev
16:42.13pb__heh, crazy imlib
16:42.36GNUtoowhat can/should I do?
16:42.47GNUtoois it a compiler problem?
16:42.53pb__dunno, use a library with less eleet a5m?
16:43.11pb__it might be a compiler problem, yeah.
16:43.15GNUtooI want e-image
16:43.17pb__what does the preprocessed source look like?
16:43.25GNUtooI'll look
16:43.52GNUtoowhat's the command line argument of gcc to make it output preprocessed source?
16:44.32pb__-E
16:45.01GNUtoook thanks
16:47.04GNUtoo#define FD_ZERO(fdsetp) __FD_ZERO (fdsetp) and:
16:47.26GNUtoo#define __FD_ZERO(fdsp) do { int __d0, __d1; __asm__ __volatile__ ("cld; rep; stosl" : "=c" (__d0), "=D" (__d1) : "a" (0), "0" (sizeof (fd_set) / sizeof (__fd_mask)), "1" (&__FDS_BITS (fdsp)[0]) : "memory"); } while (0)
16:47.58GNUtooI'll look for the arm manual in my other computer
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16:55.08ynezzGNUtoo: can you post the compile log?
16:55.17GNUtoook
16:56.02GNUtoohttp://pastebin.com/d19cb41be
16:56.36tharveyis there a better way to disable a recipe than DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1"?  that doesn't seem to work under certain circumstances
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16:57.57pb__GNUtoo: that is x86 asm
16:58.05pb__you are somehow using the wrong headers
16:58.13GNUtooouch
16:58.19ynezz<PROTECTED>
16:58.25GNUtoook thanks
16:58.43ynezzI wonder what's it doing :)
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17:03.31kgilmeranyone attending CELF in sf?  (http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc_2010/index.html)
17:04.29mckoankgilmer: ah I'd really love doing that
17:05.23kgilmeryeah i'm thinking of going mckoan ..
17:05.33kgilmermaybe submit a talk on oe/bug
17:07.10mckoankgilmer: of course ;-)
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17:08.46GNUtooif it has X it set that:   x_dir=${x_dir:-/usr/X11R6}
17:09.04GNUtooI'll look if a configure argument can change that
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17:11.05mckoanbbl
17:20.12GNUtoonice
17:20.14GNUtoo--x-includes=DIR
17:20.20GNUtoo--x-libraries=DIR
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17:45.07GNUtoohi
17:45.19GNUtoois /usr/X11R6/include common enough to be included in sanity check
17:45.26GNUtoo(someone suggested me that)
17:45.50pitillothink that is the old path used by old xorg server too
17:47.43GNUtoothe someone was pitillo btw
17:49.16pitilloit can be checked, I don't know so much about oe, but may be the sanity checks can verify all entries starting with -{I,L}/usr
17:50.13pitilloand sorry again for the answer here, it was in wrong window, I expected to be in private
17:50.39pb__GNUtoo: it should already be detected by the CROSS_COMPILE BADNESS check
17:51.24GNUtoook I wonder why it wasn't
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18:19.04eFfeM1hm, what should I think of this line
18:19.04eFfeM1RRECOMMENDS = "open-iscsi-user"
18:19.04eFfeM1in this recipe open-iscsi-user_2.0-871.bb
18:19.14eFfeM1seems a frigid recipe :-)
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18:19.42kergothit recommends itself?  how helpful
18:19.49eFfeM1guess it wants to recommend  open-iscsi-kernel
18:19.59eFfeM1also wans to recommend himself :-)
18:20.06kergothhehe
18:25.25eFfeM1oops, checked the log, the idiot who added the RRECOMMENDS is me :-(
18:26.30pb__should probably also be RRECOMMENDS_${PN}
18:26.30pb__heh
18:27.37kergothheh, indeed
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18:28.43eFfeM1what is the difference between RRECOMMENDS and RRECOMMENDS_${PN} ?
18:28.58eFfeM1will fix open-iscsi, but would love to know what I fix
18:29.16eFfeM1if I grep in recipes/*bb  for RECOMMENDS I do not see a pattern
18:31.00pb__RRECOMMENDS will apply the recommendation to all the ${PACKAGES}
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18:31.11pb__RRECOMMENDS_${PN} only applies to ${PN}
18:31.34pb__which, generally, is what you want.
18:32.05eFfeM1so if there is only one package in the recipe there is no difference, right ?
18:32.33kergothbut every recipe has multiple packages, its just a question of whether they're empty/created or not
18:32.58pb__eFfeM: if there is only one package then I guess that must mean you have assigned to PACKAGES, in which case koen will shout at you.
18:32.59eFfeM1ah, ok you mean the dev, dbg doc etc
18:33.28eFfeM1covers his hears, fortunately koen is about 150 km away, but he could ofc come to fosdem :-)
18:33.31eFfeM1will fix it
18:33.56kergothpb__: heh, its tempting to go through some of our base variables and switch to _appends or something, make it impossible to fuck it up
18:33.56pb__heh
18:34.13eFfeM1user guide could mention it (or i could not find it)
18:34.42pb__yeah, I don't actually know where this policy about it being bad to assign PACKAGES sprang from all of a sudden.  I had never actually heard of that as a rule until recently.
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18:35.21kergothi could see wanting -dev,-doc,-dbg to be stock regardless, for consistency, but beyond that, don't see a problem with it
18:35.35pb__yeah, quite
18:36.20pb__it does seem a bit silly to have these variable sitting there as traps for the unwary.  if the policy is going to be that you mustn't remove the default contents of PACKAGES, we should fix it so that you just can't do that.
18:36.21kergoththere are quite a few of these "if you do X, Bad Things Happen" when it comes to assignment vs append and the like.. take setting INHERIT in local.conf for example.. it would be nice to try to find a way around them
18:36.27kergothyeah, exactly
18:37.02kergothjust make package.bbclass inject the required bits, if we want to avoid _append/_prepend
18:37.06kergothheh
18:37.09pb__right
18:37.46pb__that would be nice, actually, get a bunch of non-base stuff out of bitbake.conf
18:38.58kergothagreed.  that would be a good cleanup task
18:39.13kergoththinks about bounties or google summer of code or something for some of this crap
18:39.46pb__yeah
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18:40.10mckoankergoth: bounties for what?
18:40.21kergothsome of these things that no one seems to get around to doing
18:40.27kergothbut which we all want to happen
18:40.53eFfeM1hm, still somewhat stuck, changed the rrecommends, then on installing open-iscsi-user, open-iscsi-kernel gets downloaded then compalins that it wants to install files already provided by kernel-module-iscsi-* recipes
18:41.12eFfeM1thought the idea with RRECOMMENDS was to handle these conflicts
18:41.23kergothno, rrecommends is just a weaker rdepends
18:41.26pb__no, RRECOMMENDS doesn't have anything to do with conflicts
18:41.27kergothits not magic
18:41.31pb__what are you trying to achieve, exactly?
18:42.03pb__all that Recommends (which is what RRECOMMENDS maps to) means is "if you install this package, you probably ought to install this other one as well".
18:42.07eFfeM1i wanted to install open-iscsi software, there are two recipes one for user, another for kernel, but the kernel stuff can also be in the kernel modules apparently
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18:42.58pb__so you're saying that kernel-module-iscsi and open-iscsi-kernel are interchangeable?
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18:43.10pb__what's the difference between them, just different versions of the same thing?
18:43.29eFfeM1pb_ haven't sorted it out yet, could even be the same thing
18:43.40eFfeM1but ofc if you have an older kernel the iscsi stuff might not be there
18:43.58eFfeM1will dig into it, been a while since I peeked at it
18:45.54pb__okay, sounds like you should try to straighten out exactly what files you want as a first step.
18:46.18pb__then, once you know what you're trying to do, that's the time to work out what variables you need to set to make it happen.
18:46.48eFfeM1yeah will do
18:49.41mckoankergoth: I also have some of them
18:49.52mckoanthings that no one seems to get around to doing
18:51.27mckoankergoth: and do you think anybody would be interested to doing things that no one is interested?
18:53.41kergothwell, thats why i was thinking about bounties and the like as possible motivators.
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18:53.52kergothmckoan: i started a google wave to start gathering together random ideas, issues, whatever, if you want to add yours to that
18:54.46mckoankergoth: hmmm do you have any list?
18:56.13kergothhttp://bit.ly/oe-wave is one form of the list, experimenting with the best way of organizing it
18:56.49eFfeM1pb__ the issue seems to be that iscsi used to be an out-of-kernel module that at some point got inlined, the version in open-iscsi-kernel and the kernel itself are very identical
18:56.51RP__watches bitbake python-native building glibc
18:57.24eFfeM1with a recent kernel the modules from the kernel are ok i guess, older kernels might need the out-of-kernel build modules
18:57.35eFfeM1not sure what the policy is to do so
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18:58.27kergothRP__: heh, that sounds .. different
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19:14.09RP__kergoth: An interesting side effect of BBCLASSEXTEND as it doesn't seem to translate some RDEPENDS...
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19:14.38kergothhuh
19:15.19RP__so dpkg-native ends up with the RDEPENDS from dpkg
19:15.34RP__Which raises several interesting questions
19:15.40XorAmorning
19:15.45RP__hi XorA
19:16.50XorARP__: you like making small interesting features :-D
19:17.11RP__XorA: I just seem to find all these nice corner cases :/
19:18.17soltysblah avr32 arch don't like me..
19:18.46soltysgcc-cross-initial fails with some error that tels me nothing...
19:18.55XorAI built avr32 with no issues when you last complanined
19:19.46soltysI'm new to oe and I definitly do sth wrong ;)
19:20.10XorAsoltys: stable or dev?
19:20.18soltysdev
19:20.21XorAodd
19:20.49XorAcan you pastebin your error
19:20.57soltysmaybe its sth with building on 64 bit os
19:21.03soltysXorA: sec
19:21.08XorAmost people here are on 64bit these days
19:21.11XorAI am
19:21.52soltysmhm
19:22.02soltysyou want whole log or just error ?
19:22.29XorAa chunk of lines before the error as well
19:22.37soltysk
19:23.04XorAI am in the ub so I shall attempt to guess the problem
19:23.14RP__likes ubs
19:25.06XorARP__: hehe
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19:25.55XorAone day I shall learn to type better on EEE keyboard
19:26.04XorAor maybe I should just cut my nails :-D
19:26.11soltysXorA: http://wklej.org/id/274240/
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19:28.20XorAsoltys: wow that is totally wierd
19:28.49soltysI know it's odd
19:30.27XorAIve never seen that
19:30.39XorAwhat build machine distro?
19:31.15RP__It looks like it might be calling the wrong as
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19:32.20RP__-> fettle motorbike
19:32.43XorARP__: forgetting something?
19:34.54mckoanRP__: which motorbike do you own?
19:35.32XorAmckoan: read his blog, he has lots of pics and stories
19:35.35khemsoltys: whats your host compiler
19:35.55mckoanXorA: link?
19:36.15XorAmckoan: look at the ltg planet
19:38.05soltyskhem: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.3.3
19:38.40khemhmm could you try 4.2
19:39.00kergothhmm, wonder if i should add a check to autotools.bbclass to error out if you don't depend on gettext but use the gettext autoconf macro
19:39.09kergothsame for glib-2.0-native and the glib-gettextize macro
19:39.26kergothor add to one of the sanity classes, perhaps
19:39.31soltyskhem: I can try that but first I have to build it ;)
19:39.59khemgcc 4.2 is not compilable with gcc 4.3
19:40.06khemwhen it comes to abr
19:40.08khemavr
19:40.17khemsoltys: no you dont
19:40.17soltysmhm
19:40.25khemif you use ubuntu you can just install it
19:40.34soltyskhem: gentoo here ;)
19:40.41XorAkergoth: BTW its supposed to be the TSC meeting in 20 mins
19:40.43soltys4.2.4 can do ?
19:40.54XorAbut the reminder email has died the death of bad net connectionms
19:40.57kergothXorA: oh, right, thanks for the reminder
19:41.14kergothshould figure out how to get it added to the calendar.. not sure if it supports a 'first Thursday of the month'
19:41.21kergothheh
19:41.28XorAheh, use Outlook it does :-D
19:41.41khemsoltys: unfortunately there is no other way
19:41.56khemsoltys: may be see if you can use gcc 4.4.2 instead for avr
19:42.12khemmay be that will be ok
19:42.28soltyshm how to setup that ?
19:44.30khemor see if gentoo can emerge gcc-4.2
19:44.49soltyskhem: there is 4.2.4-r1 ;)
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19:45.43soltyskhem: so should I try with gcc-4.2 or 4.4 ?
19:46.05khemtry both I dont use AVR so I dont know
19:46.09khemwhich one will work
19:46.29soltysok
19:49.51kergothcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
19:49.51kergothmake[2]: *** [test-libglade] Error 1
19:49.59kergotherm, missed two of the messages
19:50.04kergoth<PROTECTED>
19:50.06kergothhrmph
19:50.08kergothfun fun
19:51.20XorAmickey|tv: wake up :-D
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19:52.12kergothwe're less important than the tv, i see how it is ;)
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19:58.40mckoansee you at FOSDEM, bye
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20:24.37kergothany thoughts on whether there'd be demand for an oe-janitors type thing, as a way of acquiring easy clean up tasks for people that aren't comfortable enough with oe yet to do more substantial contributions?
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20:25.28kgilmercan you give an example kergoth of an easy clean up task?
20:25.47kergoththere are a *lot* of things that will just require some grunt work, lots of files to edit
20:26.01kergothlots of stuff from recipe_sanity for example, removals of unnecessary S, FILESDIR, etc usages
20:26.11kergothpossible moves of vars from bitbake.conf into the classes that use them
20:26.22kergothevent handlers need some clean up, remove the string mangling in favor of isinstance()
20:26.28kergothkill all "return NotHandled"
20:26.29kergothetc
20:26.44kergothI'm thinking there might be people that want to help out, but don't yet know how
20:26.55kergothso to assign people specific tasks with a specific set of instructions might be helpful
20:27.34kgilmeri think it would be useful.  i do not have any sense of demand though...
20:28.02kergothme neither, thats what I'm curious about.  i'll send out an email to try to gauge it
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21:13.12GNUtoommm
21:13.17GNUtooautoreconf says: | configure.ac:75: required file `./config.rpath' not found
21:28.57AlTheKillerautoconf -vif
21:29.32AlTheKillerActually just specify the S variable and bitbake will do all that magic for you.
21:29.58AlTheKillerOops that should be autoreconf -vif
21:30.30kergothhe is running autoreconf
21:30.33kergothits whats erroring..
21:30.35kergoth:)
21:31.32soltys;f glib-2.0 fails for me.. the same error msg as on ml ;)
21:34.08AlTheKillerThe -i should install config.rpath then.
21:34.22AlTheKillerI think that's what the autotools scripts install.
21:34.35AlTheKillers/install/run
21:34.43AlTheKillershouldn't have taken that nap
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21:49.37GNUtoothanks a lot
21:49.55GNUtooI was trying inherit gettext
21:50.04GNUtoobecause that was the line 75
21:52.06GNUtoobtw is --x-includes=${STAGING_INCDIR}/X11 ok for all distros?
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22:06.14GNUtooAlTheKiller, I've vif
22:06.18GNUtooverbose install force
22:06.41AlTheKillerYou have libtool installed?
22:06.49AlTheKillerThat's what supplies config.rpath.
22:10.38kergothlibtool is always installed.  autotools.bbclass adds the dependency on libtool-native & libtool-cross
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22:25.43GNUtoofor the record,running oe's gettextize under devshell in the dir fixed it
22:26.17kergothGNUtoo: I've had to patch in gettextize runs before
22:26.20kergothin other recipes
22:26.22kergothkind of a pain
22:26.28kergoth's gettext-fu is weak, though
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22:27.17GNUtoook
22:27.32GNUtoobecause inherit e gettext didn't fix it...
22:27.39GNUtooI'll commit all that stuff later
22:27.42GNUtooI need to sleep
22:27.55GNUtoobecause I wake up early tomorrow
22:28.03GNUtoobye and thanks a lot
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22:53.18mickeylRP__: kergoth: argh, sorry guys. this morning i remembered it, but then it faded away. i need to schedule an alarm in my calendar. did i miss anything important?
22:54.00kergothnah, there wasn't anything brought to our attention by the userbase.  we did think about sending out an official recommendation to move everything to new style staging
22:54.36kergothand I'm thinking about determining if the userbase would like some sort of oe-janitors project to assign specific, simple cleanup tasks with specific steps to follow for those who want to contribute but don't know how yet
22:54.50mickeylsounds both like good ideas
22:54.57RP__kergoth: or even tackle some legwork for us...
22:55.02RP__BBCLASSEXTEND...
22:55.20kergothyeah, exactly, anything thats straightforward but involves modifying a shitload of files would be a good candidate
22:55.23kergothheh
22:56.36RP__Sorry about the meeting, I'd assumed as we'd not done an agenda on the Monday, it wasn't on as we had no issues to discuss
22:57.35kergothi think its probably not a bad idea to get together to bounce ideas around even if there isnt anything on the agenda specifically
22:57.38kergothshrugs
22:57.46kergothi would have forgotten if xora didn't remind me :)
23:00.33mickeylhehe
23:01.41RP__kergoth: I agree
23:01.57RP__mickeyl: Reminder about that mailing list (unless you did it?)
23:02.17kergothjust sent iCal invites to you too for your calendars
23:02.33mickeylkergoth: :)
23:02.40kergother, two
23:02.42kergothshakes head
23:02.43mickeylRP__: thanks, not yet
23:03.10RP__kergoth: :), thanks
23:03.15kergothnp
23:03.24kergothforgets just about everything that isnt in his todo list or calendar
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23:12.21mickeylhmm, why are our CIA notifications still suppressed?
23:13.16kergothi ran that mode command you asked me to, didn't see if it did anything though.. are we fine with that stuff now
23:13.20kergoth's irc-fu is weak nowadays
23:13.39mickeylmine as well
23:13.55mickeyllet me try to login as an unknown
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23:15.52mickeyl<mickey__> talking talking
23:15.52mickeyl* #oe :Cannot send to channel
23:15.54mickeyl:/
23:16.01mickeylwe're still blocking unregged users
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23:16.34JaMa|Goneis +R still needed?
23:16.44mickeyl+R is no longer
23:16.51mickeyli think that setting no longer exists
23:16.53JaMa|Gonewas hoping that with new ircd, those spammers will be gone
23:16.54mickeylsee the migration page
23:17.15JaMa|Goneah sorry, so my foo is even weaker
23:17.23mickeylhttp://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/migration-to-new-ircd/
23:17.35mickeylChannel mode +R is no longer present. “/mode #channel +q $~a” will have the same effect. If you find, post-migration, that your channel which was previously +R no longer has that mode, please check your quiets list: “/mode #channel +q”
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23:23.23mickey__test test
23:23.26mickey__ah!
23:23.26kergoththere we go
23:23.39mickey__excellent
23:24.13kergoththat blgo post said how to set +R, but not how to remove it
23:24.13kergothheh
23:24.33mickeylfun
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23:50.30kergoth:)
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