IRC log for #oe on 20110427

00:00.14xxiaointel needs to pour some fund there :)
00:00.22xxiaoanyway thanks
00:01.47khemAlien Dalvik hmmm
00:02.27khembut its not open source
00:02.56khemanyway if they would like to port it over onto oe well and good
00:05.13xxiaowishes he could do it and open source
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01:12.50JDuke128hi , i've 2 operating systems , 1 is linux other is windows , i want to run some code before windows opens from another hdd and then redirect to windows boot back , is it possible ?
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02:06.53Nedlinpopoif i define PREFERRED_VERSION twice, which one takes effect?
02:08.26Nedlinpoposeems like the last one
02:08.28ReaperOfSoulsDepends on when each is evaluated, which is dependant on how the assignments are done.
02:08.57ReaperOfSoulsIf it is A=1, then A=2, then yes the last one.
02:09.17Nedlinpopoit's just whichever was evaluated last right?
02:09.39ReaperOfSoulsIf they are just = and =. If it is = and ?= then the first one.
02:10.27ReaperOfSouls=? is set if unset.
02:10.39Nedlinpopoah, cool
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04:24.41JavaRockyMobileWhere can I find standard procedures for contributing to OE?
04:25.01khemJavaRockyMobile: look at wiki
04:25.32JavaRockyMobileCommit policy?
04:26.03JavaRockyMobileI see, exactly what I am looking for. Cheers.
04:27.21khemhttp://openembedded.org/index.php/New_Dev
04:27.45khemthere are many helpful docs in wiki
04:28.39JavaRockyMobileOh yes, thanks. I havent ventured into the dev area as yet. Will do now!
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07:10.32sanketI want to know which package prints "shared library dependencies " ..... as in ubuntu it is provided by 'ldd'
07:11.02sanketI had builded a filesystem using oe for mini2440...
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07:18.21JaMa|Wrkldd package is built as part of target binutils
07:18.24JaMa|Wrksanket: ^
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07:30.53mliphej, anybody using bblayers noticed that there is something wrong with distutils based recipes, in the sense that if(f) you build third party module it brings in .L/usr/lib instread of the staging lib/ ? (I think it searches the wrong python-config, but I am not sure)
07:31.48JaMa|Wrkyes
07:32.42JaMa|Wrkmlip: http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org/msg00201.html
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07:34.41mlipJaMa|Wrk, I did tinker in the recipes and distutils package yesterday, and I think this doesn't completelly solve it? distutils appends a library dir itself when creating the linking command
07:35.51mlipJaMa|Wrk, https://bitbucket.org/carljm/python-distutils/src/48c42eeaee44/command/build_ext.py#cl-286
07:36.34JaMa|Wrkmlip: this is more like workaround I used to push sysroot libdri before any other libdir
07:37.07JaMa|Wrkbut it was enough for couple of 3rdparty modules and that's what we have in oe.dev
07:37.16mlipJaMa|Wrk, ah, ok; the problem is somewhere in distutils, because it seems to grab (or even mix, idk) the Makefile configurations
07:39.03mlipmaybe I should write to the ML and someone with more distutils experience can fix it looking at the right Makefile
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07:56.11mlipJaMa|Wrk, maybe you can help me out here: the culprit seems to be that STAGING_LIBDIR points into sysroots/<targetmachine>-<targetlibc>/usr/lib
07:56.25mlipwhile it should somehow point into some cross dir
07:56.40mlipis there some STAGING_LIBDIR_CROSS ?
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08:22.16mlipJaMa|Wrk, ping?
08:25.50JaMa|Wrkmlip: sorry bussy daywork
08:27.49mlipJaMa|Wrk, np; if you have a minute: the culprit is that STAGING_LIBDIR points into target lib (thats correct), but it then parses python<ver>/config/Makefile which is the one that is installed on the target containing /usr/lib as libdir; we could patch this file in some do_stage_append ? (as we don't want to crush anything on the target itself)
08:28.48mlip(or some kind of sysroot append)
08:30.57JaMa|Wrkyou can mangle it from SYSROOT_PREPROCESS_FUNCS like binconfig.bbclass does, but maybe it's better to prefix value parsed from  python<ver>/config/Makefile with sysroot
08:36.52bluelightningmorning all
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08:40.53devzero_is there an integrated mechanism to strip build libs/tools in an own recipe?
08:43.41Jay7iirc, libs and binaries are stripped automatically
08:44.06Jay7debug symbols going to -dbg package
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09:22.11CIA-3203Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07master * rd68a33bedd 10openembedded.git/recipes/bluez/bluez4_4.91.bb:
09:22.12CIA-32bluez4-4.91: bump PR to rebuild after e557584a06b312e19811e07fdf75d1a7f123ed91
09:22.12CIA-32Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com>
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11:59.31CMoH-officehello.
11:59.52CMoH-officeis it possible to set SRCREV to a branch name in _git bitbake recipes?
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12:00.52JaMa|WrkCMoH-office: you should set branch in SRC_URI and rev only in SRCREV
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12:10.32CMoH-officety JaMa|Wrk, what i'm aiming for is for the git recipe to retrieve the head of a branch. however, not providing any SRCREV, using SRCREV="HEAD" or using SRCREV="<branchname>" all fail
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12:12.30JaMa|WrkCMoH-office: SRCREV=AUTOREV
12:13.34JaMa|WrkCMoH-office: put known to work revision to in recipe SRCREV and add SRCREV_pn-your-blah = "${AUTOREV}" to some .inc file or your distribtuion config
12:13.36CMoH-officehmm... last advice i got was SRCREV="${AUTOREV}", which works for SVN but not git. are you referring to a SRCREV=AUTOREV without the ${} variable expansion syntax?
12:13.57JaMa|Wrkit works for svn as well as for git
12:14.15CMoH-officei see; i'll try again and see if it wasn't some other problem at the time i've tested
12:14.17JaMa|Wrkand with ${}
12:14.27CMoH-officethanks JaMa|Wrk :)
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14:01.55DEVASTATORhi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
14:03.10JDuke128hi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
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14:05.55JDuke128hi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
14:08.53JaMa|Wrk*sigh*
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14:16.54woglindejama it works this way I hope
14:16.59woglindehi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
14:19.46ant__change nick !
14:20.53JaMa|Wrkor change channel :)
14:21.37woglindeah right I forget it
14:31.09JDuke128what
14:31.19JDuke128woglinde , leopardboard 355 ?
14:33.06dukefoohi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
14:40.53JDuke128woglinde , u ask same question ?
14:40.56JDuke128whoh
14:41.09JDuke128MACHINE=dm355-leopard
14:41.20JDuke128dm355 and dm368 same ? just speed difference ?
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14:44.07dukefoohi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
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14:51.14JaMa|Wrkwhere id duke nukem when we need him :)
14:51.17JaMa|Wrkis
14:52.08CIA-3203Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r0fad563e9a 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux_git.bb:
14:52.08CIA-32linux_git: move to 2.6.39-rc5
14:52.08CIA-32Signed-off-by: Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com>
14:52.15CIA-3203Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rcadda2b6c4 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux-kexecboot_git.bb:
14:52.16CIA-32linux-kexecboot_git: move to 2.6.39-rc5
14:52.16CIA-32Signed-off-by: Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com>
14:52.38ant__woglinde: pls check if simpad boots ^^^
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14:57.22tdebrouwlhi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
14:57.31tdebrouwjust had to ask it...
14:58.18tdebrouwmaybe we should ask this everyday between 16h30 - 17h :)
14:58.28tdebrouwas an internal joke
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14:59.30tdebrouw*between 16h -> 17h
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15:01.17woglindeant?
15:01.24woglindeah you mean for .39
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15:24.32Jay7hi , is openembedded supporting leopardboard dm368 ?
15:25.08Jay7ant__: seems you are have some free time :)
15:25.53ant__only this week ;)
15:27.00Jay7some kind of vacation?
15:27.32bluelightningmaybe ant__ has taken time off for the royal wedding ;)
15:27.41ant__wife + kid are away one week ;)
15:27.51Jay7ant__: ah, I understand ;)
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15:27.59ant__I'm doing some recabling at home
15:28.17ant__better to be alone...
15:28.24ant__exposed 220AC
15:28.42ant__floating terminale...
15:28.59bluelightningtools everywhere?
15:29.55ant__heh...
15:38.12ant__bluelightning: nice purge!
15:38.49bluelightningant__: thanks... there are a few bits yet to be removed but that zaps most of it
15:39.25ant__would you please run the scripts against oe-dev? I'm trying to separe good stuff to keep from old cruft...
15:39.50bluelightningant__: I didn't have any scripts for this one, it was all done by hand :o
15:40.11ant__he, I feared
15:40.28ant__grep & co.
15:40.34bluelightningyep
15:40.49bluelightningit's also a lot easier for oe-core as being based on poky the number of distros/machines originally in it were a small subset of OE's
15:40.57ant__there is some 2.4 stuff in oe-dev tasks and recipes
15:41.31bluelightningyes, I think there's still 2.4 stuff in oe-core... is 2.4 completely deprecated in oe-dev?
15:41.31ka6sox-awaybluelightning, have you got a source push for 125 yet?
15:41.34ant__I don't know if it's worth cleaning it in oe-dev or just wait and port only the sane bits to meta-oe
15:42.14ant__bluelightning: iirc 2.4 is unsupported since one of first TSC meetings
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15:42.27bluelightningka6sox-away: I thought we already sorted that out... ?
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15:42.50ka6sox-awayI thought we had 124 but I didn't see one for 125
15:42.51ant__there were actually onle a few machines still on linux24
15:43.27ant__whose stuff was moved by me to nonworking/obsolete
15:43.47ant__now we have a lot of stale overrides
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15:45.55bluelightningant__: ah I see
15:46.28bluelightningant__: the easiest approach would be to just port the sane bits I guess
15:46.45bluelightningalthough thinning out the old cruft would make it easier to do that
15:50.14bluelightningka6sox-home: unless I'm misunderstanding, the 1.2.5 tarballs are already up on sources.openembedded.org... ?
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15:52.40ka6sox-homebluelightning: okay...I'll poke around and see if its all there..thanks
15:53.04bluelightningka6sox-home: ok give me a shout if anything seems amiss
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15:58.10Crofton|workI need to add a custom fstab for my machine, but want to do it in the machine overlay, rather than add it to base files
15:58.21Crofton|workwhat's the best mechanism for that
15:58.33woglindebase-file
15:59.21Crofton|workhttp://sakrah.homelinux.org/blog/2010/11/bblayers-bbappend/
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16:31.19ka6sox-homekhem, how did the timing go on the last run?
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16:31.47khemlooking ...
16:31.55ka6sox-homekhem, 1 arch used 41% of disk.
16:31.59khemok
16:32.03khem329m17.036s
16:32.16ka6sox-homeso not faster...
16:32.30khemyeah about 5:30 hrs
16:32.39ka6sox-homesince you did 5 in 1300 minutes
16:33.01khemwell subsequent build sshare the native sysroot
16:33.06khemso they will be faster
16:33.10ka6sox-homekk.
16:33.17kheme.g. on top of this build if I build for mips
16:33.23khemit will be lot faster now
16:33.30khemsince it does not ahve to do common parts
16:33.52khemok 41% is like 35G
16:33.53ka6sox-homeso we can do 2@ a time. and still fit....maybe 3
16:33.57ka6sox-homeyes
16:34.11khemok incrementally let me do one for mips
16:34.15khemand see where we stand
16:34.17ka6sox-homekk
16:34.27khemthen if we still have space then I can do for ppc
16:34.30khemand so on
16:34.35ka6sox-homeright
16:34.42khemI think first build will eat the most
16:34.55khemsince it builds the common parts too
16:34.56ka6sox-homeall the common bits.
16:35.00khemyep
16:35.17khembut I am disappointed that it takes 5:30 hrs
16:35.25khemfor a console-image
16:35.54ka6sox-homethere is a lot still being done outside the work dir...
16:35.59khembut may be that will fuel some improvements to bitbake
16:36.00ka6sox-homethats whats taking the time.
16:36.13khemyeah everything runs under pseudo
16:36.25khemwhich is kind of needed slowness
16:36.37ka6sox-homeyou can see it in the HD logs.
16:36.57khemI launched mips build
16:37.01khemlets see how it does
16:37.03ka6sox-homehttp://munin.nas-admin.org//openembedded.org/garnet/diskstats_utilization/index.html
16:37.06ka6sox-homedid you clean first?
16:37.10khemno
16:37.13khemno cleaning
16:37.14ka6sox-homeor just let it build
16:37.24khemI building on top
16:37.38khemthat will tell us exaclty how much more disk it will take
16:37.39ka6sox-homethat previous was mips console image?
16:37.42khemif I clean then it wont
16:37.49khemsince it will rebuild common parts
16:37.52ka6sox-homekk
16:37.57JaMa|Offkhem: wrt your oe-core e-mail: shouldn't it be PREFERRED_PROVIDER-gconf-utils? or better virtual/gconf-utils?
16:38.33JaMa|Offkhem: as I understand it newer gconf provides gconf-utils, but gconf-utils does not provide full gconf functionality
16:38.38khemJaMa|Off: I think oe-core should just drop gconf-dbus
16:39.08JaMa|Offwell I have it blacklisted too...
16:39.22khemthe reason I send it is so yocto folks can test it out
16:39.35khemsince I dont test it in the same env as theirs
16:39.36JaMa|Offand had to change it only in libproxy (because the rest is not in my dep. tree)
16:39.56khemif you build meta-toolchain-sdk
16:39.59khemthen you will see
16:40.07khemI think there might be more references
16:40.10khembut I did not check
16:40.51JaMa|Offok, I don't really care.. just potentional PREFERRED_PROVIDER-gconf = gconf-utils looks wrong to me
16:42.13khemI have removed all refs
16:42.27khempoky.conf:PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gconf ?= "gconf-dbus"
16:43.31JaMa|Offyes that's what looks wrong to me
16:43.59JaMa|Offas recipes which had full gconf in DEPENDS before will get now gconf-dbus only
16:44.54JaMa|Offif you replace every gconf-dbus with virtual/gconf-dbus and set PREFERRED_PROVIDER-gconf-dbus = "gconf" for angstrom, then everything should work right
16:45.16JaMa|Offarg PREFERRED_PROVIDER-virtual/gconf-utils = "gconf"
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17:06.08Crofton|workanyone have a good bbappend example
17:06.28Crofton|workFILESEXTRAPATHS := "${THISDIR}/${PN}"
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17:25.20Crofton|workkhem, your blog posting on bbappen is out of date
17:25.29Crofton|workI get syntax errros with it
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17:44.19khemCrofton|work: thanks, I should update it
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17:47.33Crofton|workkhem, any suggestion would it should be to overwrite a conf file from an overlay?
17:49.58Crofton|workthe example in the yocto bsp does not work, which is unfortunate ...
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17:52.47CIA-3203Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org> 07master * rceb2a05d0a 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/nokia900.conf:
17:52.47CIA-32nokia900: change to newer 2.6.37 kernel which supports power management
17:52.47CIA-32Signed-off-by: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org>
17:53.12CIA-3203Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org> 07master * r3e8b3e9ca7 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/ (linux-nokia900-meego/defconfig linux-nokia900-meego_git.bb):
17:53.12CIA-32add new linux-nokia900-meego recipe
17:53.12CIA-32This kernel version(which is for the nokia900 machine)
17:53.12CIA-32has power management(CPUFREQ,DVFS),along with support
17:53.12CIA-32for the nokia900 and its drivers.
17:53.13CIA-32Signed-off-by: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org>
17:53.16CIA-3203Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> 07master * rbfd4e4d292 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/nokia900.conf:
17:53.16CIA-32nokia900.conf: autoload isp1704_charger and omap_ssi modules
17:53.16CIA-32Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
17:53.32CIA-3203Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org> 07master * rc012be8a84 10openembedded.git/recipes/xorg-xserver/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
17:53.32CIA-32xserver-xorg-conf: add support for newer kernel for the nokia900
17:53.32CIA-32Note that there are whitespaces issues in the nokia900's xorg.conf
17:53.32CIA-32Also note that it may not be the final xorg.conf since the kernel
17:53.32CIA-32defconfig may change to add new input devices(sensors etc...)
17:53.32CIA-32Signed-off-by: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org>
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17:58.45foersterCrofton|work: if you just want to use a different conf file, you can simply adjust your FILESPATHBASE to look in your overlay first
17:59.06Crofton|workit is not clear to me how to do that :)
17:59.24foersterone sec, dialing into meeting
18:02.16foersterCrofton|work: http://pastebin.com/PHudpGai
18:02.36foersterI'm no expert (I found that stuff on IRC logs a while back), but it's working here.
18:02.44foersterI put that in build/conf/local.conf
18:02.47Crofton|workwhat file did you put that in?
18:02.52foerster^
18:03.00Crofton|workherh
18:03.10foersterso COLLECTIONS has my overlay and OE
18:03.41foersterit's voodoo and I never tried to fully understand it, but it "works for me"tm :)
18:08.59Crofton|workfoerster, there needs to be a saner way :)
18:09.12foersterCrofton|work: perhaps :)
18:09.26foersterwell, bbappend is the other approach
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19:37.15CIA-3203Lukas Märdian <lukasmaerdian@googlemail.com> 07master * r65b9bb72df 10openembedded.git/recipes/shr/e-wm-config-illume2-shr_git.bb:
19:37.15CIA-32e-wm-config-illume2-shr: bump SRCREV and PR
19:37.15CIA-32* this replaces e's default battery gadget with the newly introduced battery-fso gadget (from shr-e-gadgets)
19:37.15CIA-32* affects all shr powered devices
19:37.15CIA-32* changes will be visible on the device after upgrade, once ~/.e has been removed
19:37.16CIA-32Signed-off-by: Lukas Märdian <lukasmaerdian@gmail.com>
19:37.24CIA-3203Lukas Märdian <lukasmaerdian@googlemail.com> 07master * r829e4a5d3e 10openembedded.git/recipes/shr/shr-e-gadgets_git.bb:
19:37.24CIA-32shr-e-gadgets: bump SRCREV and PR
19:37.24CIA-32* this adds a new e-gadget: battery-fso
19:37.24CIA-32* battery-fso is an alternative battery gadget, which uses fsodeviced as data source
19:37.24CIA-32Signed-off-by: Lukas Märdian <lukasmaerdian@gmail.com>
19:43.09darknighteis there a recommended version of bitbake to go with the 2011.03 release of oe master?
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19:52.35Jay71.10-1.12
19:53.10darknighteJay7: thx
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20:32.13woglindere
20:32.13woglindekhem ping
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20:41.13khemwoglinde: yes
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20:47.51woglindekhem could you take a look at uclibc backtrace for arm and eabi
20:48.32woglindewhen compiling libbacktrace a eabi symbol is missing
20:52.51khemsure
20:52.56khemwhat error do u runinto
20:53.02khemis it happening with oe ?
20:53.11woglindeyes oe
20:53.19khemok
20:53.29khemtry with oe-core :)
20:53.32khemand meta-oe soon
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20:54.14ant__khem: what's maybe disturbing is the lack of a clear 'minimal' OE-branded distro-layer
20:54.45ant__we are forced to use A. or shr if we want to play with layers today
20:54.53ant__(if I'm not too wrong :)
20:55.17khemant__: you could use oe-core only too
20:55.43ant__and where to put OE logos for kernel, psplash, icons...
20:55.46ant__?
20:55.56khemoe-core probably
20:56.07khemis best place
20:56.14ant__would be great
20:56.33khemjust post patches for all this to oe-core
20:57.05ant__ok, I'm summing up some
20:57.13khemant__: good
20:57.18ant__btw I still have one for oe-dev
20:57.32ant__oerunmake savedefconfig
20:57.43ant__I'll post this to oe-dev ML
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21:15.36CIA-3203Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r77bb427ec8 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux-2.6.38/ (6 files in 6 dirs):
21:15.36CIA-32linux: update Zaurus 2.6.38 defconfigs
21:15.36CIA-32* shrink using do_savedefconfig
21:15.36CIA-32Signed-off-by: Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com>
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21:31.00sreddyHi all , when i build my recipe it does not run more than one job . But with other recipe I am able to build multiple jobs . i also specified PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 8" BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "8" in my local.conf file Here is my recipe http://pastebin.com/1ejGnFaB
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21:36.22sreddycan any one point why i am not able to execute multiple jobs
21:37.43Jay7sreddy: if all other tasks already done only your recipe will be built
21:38.29sreddyyes but my recipe should have multiple jobs
21:39.20Jay7I'm not sure but inherit qt4e may set PARALLEL_MAKE to ""
21:39.33Jay7I remember some problems wrt qt and P_M
21:39.47sreddyJay7:  hmmm ..  i will check that
21:39.47Jay7but this is just idea
21:40.01sreddygot it thanks
21:51.28CIA-3203Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r93db86243c 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux/ (6 files in 6 dirs):
21:51.28CIA-32linux_git: add Zaurus defconfigs for 2.6.39-rc5
21:51.28CIA-32* shrink using do_savedefconfig
21:51.28CIA-32Signed-off-by: Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com>
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22:07.02CIA-3203Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r71eb55a998 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/files/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
22:07.02CIA-32linux: move stale patches to /obsolete/linux
22:07.02CIA-32Signed-off-by: Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com>
22:07.04CIA-3203Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd13ba4be00 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux/ (defconfig patch-2.6.28-gc):
22:07.04CIA-32linux: move gamecube specific files to their dir
22:07.04CIA-32Signed-off-by: Andrea Adami <andrea.adami@gmail.com>
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22:36.47sreddyHi all  in qmake_base.bbclass EXTRA_OEMAKE = ' MAKEFLAGS= '  is overriding the make flags ,  and not able to build with multiple jobs after after setting  PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 8" BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "8" . has this issue been fixed in recent versions ?
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23:38.19ka6sox-workkhem, 42.82%
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23:39.23khemka6sox-work: ok
23:39.30khemka6sox-work: 259m27.530s
23:39.46ka6sox-workso a little over 4hrs
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23:40.07khemyes thats pretty much how much it will cost for rest of three
23:40.29khem4*4 + 6.5
23:40.40khemmakes is 22.5 hrs
23:40.42ka6sox-workwhich is what we saw before 22.5hrs
23:40.48khemyes
23:40.56ka6sox-workso in our case rm_work doesn't hurt us on time.
23:41.10khemso now we stand at 42.8% ?
23:41.11khemthats it
23:41.17ka6sox-workyes
23:41.42ka6sox-workso I suspect we can build 2 more and see if we have enough room for #5
23:41.48ka6sox-workwe should.
23:44.14khemka6sox-work: yes I have started ppc
23:44.20khemand will check back in 4 hrs
23:44.45ka6sox-workokay, then we can do x86 and hopefully x86_64 isn't any bigger
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