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| 08:01.49 | CIA-10 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r902373f9d4 10openembedded.git/recipes/pulseaudio/pulseaudio.inc: |
| 08:01.50 | CIA-10 | pulseaudio: package udev rules |
| 08:01.50 | CIA-10 | Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> |
| 08:02.00 | CIA-10 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r2ff95b0ed0 10openembedded.git/recipes/udev/udev_git.bb: |
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| 08:02.00 | CIA-10 | This includes some systemd service file fixes |
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| 14:57.10 | egonzalez_ergio | I'm trying to compile yocto with uclibc but breaks with: "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'glib-2.0-native' " |
| 14:57.14 | egonzalez_ergio | some idea? |
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| 15:07.39 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: yeah, does not work yet (i tried and failed) |
| 15:07.53 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: you could enable USE_NLS='1'.. but you will get other errors there |
| 15:08.32 | egonzalez_ergio | what is the NLS flag? |
| 15:09.50 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: NLS, probably Native Language Support (think iconv). glib requires it. |
| 15:10.03 | egonzalez_ergio | ok |
| 15:10.15 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: anyway, if you want to use OE-Core and uclibc, you will need to be prepared to spend some time on it |
| 15:10.19 | egonzalez_ergio | distros in OE works fine with uclic |
| 15:10.21 | egonzalez_ergio | no? |
| 15:10.41 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: in plain OE. yes, for ARM/Angstrom it should work fine. |
| 15:10.53 | egonzalez_ergio | what advantage I have if I use Yocto and not OE |
| 15:11.00 | egonzalez_ergio | ? |
| 15:12.19 | egonzalez_ergio | I don't understand well why exist Yocto |
| 15:12.20 | egonzalez_ergio | :-) |
| 15:14.13 | egonzalez_ergio | OE is very stable and proved |
| 15:14.21 | egonzalez_ergio | somebody can explain this to me? |
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| 15:20.20 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: Yocto is a bigger project/effort. Did you see the Ycoto video? |
| 15:20.32 | egonzalez_ergio | yes |
| 15:20.44 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: e.g. thanks to yocto (windriver) there is now a cross prelink. :) |
| 15:22.42 | egonzalez_ergio | but I can't see the advantage over OE (yes, have some projects very interesting) but, in the core OE is stable and proved...Why not a only tools project over OE? Why another bakes tree? |
| 15:24.59 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: well, by having a less monolithic structure one gets certain advantages. :) |
| 15:25.25 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: e.g. 1) it is easier to add BSPs (more well defined), 2) it is easier to test the core (e.g. automatic builds to prove the stable is stable) |
| 15:25.52 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: with 2nd) the classes/conf can be quite stable.. while e.g. new Qt is changing a lot faster.. without risking to break things |
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| 15:27.44 | egonzalez_ergio | Yes, it's true |
| 15:28.00 | egonzalez_ergio | but I can do the same ausing this tools in OE |
| 15:28.03 | egonzalez_ergio | using |
| 15:28.17 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: and 3rd is more outreach thanks to the Linux Foundation. |
| 15:28.35 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: yes, but in theory and practice.. everything OE big can do.. OE core + layers will offer as well |
| 15:29.05 | egonzalez_ergio | yes...it's true |
| 15:29.35 | zecke | so in transition theory != practice... e.g. MIPS EL not in OE Core and uclibc not ready yet. |
| 15:30.09 | egonzalez_ergio | you have convinded me ... I'll buy two of this :-) |
| 15:30.14 | zecke | haha |
| 15:30.17 | egonzalez_ergio | convinced |
| 15:31.02 | egonzalez_ergio | the...for use the advantages of OE in YOCTO (like uclibc) there are a solution? |
| 15:31.06 | egonzalez_ergio | then |
| 15:33.45 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: hehe, uclibc needs patches in oe-core. |
| 15:34.15 | zecke | egonzalez_ergio: e.g. you will need to add USE_NLS_glib-2.0-native = '1' in one of the conf/tc-uclibc.conf files (i got that far) but there is more missing. |
| 15:34.18 | zecke | brb |
| 15:34.33 | egonzalez_ergio | :-( |
| 15:36.39 | egonzalez_ergio | Ok, I've patience and I don't need uclibc for now (I'me using atom but in a not too long time we want to start with ARM) |
| 15:36.50 | egonzalez_ergio | there are some timeline for this features? |
| 15:37.08 | Jay7 | I've thought that NLS is more about gettext than iconv |
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| 15:43.32 | zecke | Jay7: probably true. |
| 15:43.59 | zecke | Jay7: maybe I can safe myself and say that gettext is using iconv that requires virtual/libiconv.. but maybe I make it worse. :) |
| 15:44.21 | Jay7 | zecke: hehe :) |
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| 21:11.48 | CIA-10 | 03Henning Heinold <heinold@inf.fu-berlin.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r0086e0506e 10openembedded.git/recipes/pulseaudio/ (files/ubacktrace.patch pulseaudio_0.9.22.bb): |
| 21:11.48 | CIA-10 | pulseaudio: fix compiling on 0.9.22 for new uclibc backtrace support |
| 21:11.48 | CIA-10 | * bump PR |
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| 21:39.12 | kristianpaul | GNUtoo: hi |
| 21:39.24 | kristianpaul | had you tried oe in the HTC G1? |
| 21:40.34 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, yes of course |
| 21:40.49 | GNUtoo | I did the port with leviathan and mickeyl |
| 21:42.57 | kristianpaul | :o :-) |
| 21:43.11 | GNUtoo | what do you want to know |
| 21:43.14 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 21:43.18 | GNUtoo | do you already have one? |
| 21:43.25 | GNUtoo | because if not don't buy one |
| 21:43.29 | GNUtoo | it's a very bad device |
| 21:43.55 | kristianpaul | ah |
| 21:44.01 | kristianpaul | i was thinking get one |
| 21:44.12 | GNUtoo | basically it can be very cheap nowadays |
| 21:44.12 | kristianpaul | i need wifi and cant carry laptop to all places.. |
| 21:44.16 | kristianpaul | yes |
| 21:44.20 | GNUtoo | but..... |
| 21:44.27 | GNUtoo | look at that: |
| 21:44.27 | kristianpaul | i found one by 150usd in my country |
| 21:44.43 | GNUtoo | http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison |
| 21:44.54 | GNUtoo | Wifi doesn't have PSM working yet |
| 21:45.01 | GNUtoo | and the alsa driver is bad |
| 21:45.11 | GNUtoo | very bad |
| 21:45.16 | GNUtoo | maybe it's mplayer tough |
| 21:45.28 | GNUtoo | since aplay and gstreamer work fine |
| 21:46.06 | kristianpaul | oh dear.. |
| 21:46.20 | GNUtoo | the port was very very stressfull |
| 21:46.23 | GNUtoo | *stressing |
| 21:46.53 | GNUtoo | else there is replicant that works fine on it.... |
| 21:47.06 | GNUtoo | but basically if alsa and wifi are fixed |
| 21:47.16 | GNUtoo | it would be so great and the port will be ok |
| 21:47.16 | kristianpaul | nah i dont android or free derivaties.. |
| 21:47.19 | GNUtoo | but without that |
| 21:47.26 | kristianpaul | hmm |
| 21:47.36 | GNUtoo | also....be aware that this phone has a big problem: |
| 21:47.53 | GNUtoo | The baseband has access to the main CPU ram |
| 21:47.59 | kristianpaul | as i said i just need a device that un oe or, for wifi |
| 21:48.06 | GNUtoo | wifi can work |
| 21:48.10 | GNUtoo | however not for very long |
| 21:48.27 | GNUtoo | I can try to mesure battery life with wifi if you want |
| 21:48.50 | khem | is watching final stage of Tour of California |
| 21:49.25 | GNUtoo | is watching his wifi logs and trying to fix wl1251_sdio for the htcdream and will fail once more |
| 21:49.33 | kristianpaul | yes plese GNUtoo |
| 21:49.41 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 21:49.51 | kristianpaul | as i said only thing matters to me is wifi, no more |
| 21:49.56 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 21:50.04 | GNUtoo | what do you need it for exactly/ |
| 21:50.05 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 21:50.09 | GNUtoo | s#/## |
| 21:50.12 | GNUtoo | ssh? |
| 21:50.19 | kristianpaul | yup :-) |
| 21:50.22 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 21:50.24 | GNUtoo | that can work |
| 21:50.25 | kristianpaul | and do streaming |
| 21:50.32 | GNUtoo | streaming of what? |
| 21:50.40 | kristianpaul | audio streaming, hopefully video? |
| 21:50.42 | GNUtoo | does it require mplayer? |
| 21:50.45 | kristianpaul | no |
| 21:50.50 | GNUtoo | hmmm |
| 21:50.51 | kristianpaul | gstreamer, darknice |
| 21:50.56 | GNUtoo | gstreamer works |
| 21:51.01 | GNUtoo | but the camera doesn't |
| 21:51.13 | GNUtoo | already have a hard time with alsa and wifi |
| 21:51.23 | GNUtoo | doesn't want to reverse engineer the camera |
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| 21:53.38 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, what's darknice? |
| 21:53.56 | kristianpaul | sorry |
| 21:54.01 | kristianpaul | darkice* |
| 21:54.10 | GNUtoo | yes, it's a streaming thing? |
| 21:54.15 | GNUtoo | does it already work in oe? |
| 21:54.17 | kristianpaul | for audio stream to icecast |
| 21:54.24 | kristianpaul | no idea, i hope so ;-) |
| 21:54.28 | GNUtoo | look |
| 21:54.33 | GNUtoo | find ./ | grep |
| 21:54.45 | GNUtoo | what does it require? |
| 21:54.48 | GNUtoo | gstreamer? |
| 21:55.06 | kristianpaul | audio in |
| 21:55.13 | kristianpaul | mic in at least* |
| 21:55.17 | GNUtoo | that can work |
| 21:55.19 | GNUtoo | let me try |
| 21:56.00 | kristianpaul | or i can find a 3g modem with serial support, and hook it up to my nanonote.. thats the other plan |
| 21:56.25 | GNUtoo | 3g works on the htcdream |
| 21:56.47 | kristianpaul | oh |
| 21:56.54 | kristianpaul | thats a good point :-) |
| 21:56.55 | GNUtoo | recording also worked with: |
| 21:57.02 | GNUtoo | arecord -f cd -Dplug:hw:0 > file.wav |
| 21:57.05 | kristianpaul | i tought 3g dint worked |
| 21:57.07 | GNUtoo | mplayer file.wav |
| 21:57.20 | GNUtoo | re-read that maybe: |
| 21:57.26 | GNUtoo | http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison |
| 21:57.29 | kristianpaul | ok |
| 21:57.31 | kristianpaul | je |
| 22:01.46 | GNUtoo | I'm asking help in kernel newbies |
| 22:10.38 | kristianpaul | I like also the sciphone g2 in run amstrong and the gsm baseband chip is WIP |
| 22:10.46 | kristianpaul | and have wifi |
| 22:10.54 | kristianpaul | may be i save money for ti.. |
| 22:10.58 | kristianpaul | it* |
| 22:11.33 | GNUtoo | hmmm |
| 22:11.42 | GNUtoo | the baseband can take huge time |
| 22:12.01 | GNUtoo | and it would be dangerous to run that on carrier networks |
| 22:12.01 | kristianpaul | i know |
| 22:12.07 | kristianpaul | sure i will not |
| 22:12.30 | GNUtoo | the dream's keyboard is great btw |
| 22:12.48 | kristianpaul | yeah i liked the keyboard too |
| 22:12.49 | GNUtoo | does the sciphone have an hardware keyboard? |
| 22:12.54 | kristianpaul | nope :( |
| 22:13.01 | GNUtoo | ouch, for ssh it's not great |
| 22:13.08 | GNUtoo | but if you have bluetooth on it.... |
| 22:13.15 | kristianpaul | no thanks |
| 22:13.19 | GNUtoo | you could wire up a bluetooth keyboard |
| 22:13.20 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:13.22 | GNUtoo | why? |
| 22:13.29 | GNUtoo | unsafe? |
| 22:13.36 | kristianpaul | dont like wiki keyboards for ssh typing |
| 22:13.37 | kristianpaul | yes |
| 22:13.41 | kristianpaul | wifi* |
| 22:13.41 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:13.47 | GNUtoo | bluetooth not wifi |
| 22:13.54 | kristianpaul | wireless* |
| 22:13.55 | kristianpaul | sorry |
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| 22:14.06 | GNUtoo | but anyway the dream is not better in this reguard since the baseband can spy the main CPU |
| 22:14.15 | kristianpaul | oh |
| 22:14.28 | kristianpaul | shared memory? |
| 22:14.32 | GNUtoo | I said it earlier |
| 22:14.33 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 22:14.36 | kristianpaul | hum, last qauestion |
| 22:14.49 | kristianpaul | there are pics of htcdream board? |
| 22:14.55 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 22:15.00 | kristianpaul | maybe schquematics also? |
| 22:15.01 | GNUtoo | there are even youtube videos |
| 22:15.02 | GNUtoo | no |
| 22:15.05 | kristianpaul | ok |
| 22:15.07 | GNUtoo | but there are leaked docs |
| 22:15.19 | GNUtoo | maybe theses leaked docs have schematics |
| 22:19.25 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, are you in a hurry for buying? |
| 22:19.50 | kristianpaul | no |
| 22:19.56 | GNUtoo | so take your time |
| 22:20.04 | GNUtoo | the dream isn't the perfect phone.... |
| 22:20.13 | kristianpaul | sure, i do like take my time |
| 22:20.35 | GNUtoo | did you finish reading the hardware comparison? |
| 22:20.46 | kristianpaul | yes |
| 22:23.50 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, you could also find an sdio card for the nanonote |
| 22:23.56 | GNUtoo | *sdio wifi card |
| 22:25.43 | kristianpaul | kinda expensive for been just a wifi card.. but yes |
| 22:26.00 | GNUtoo | more expensive than the htc dream? |
| 22:27.36 | kristianpaul | nope, but i got just one feature ;-) |
| 22:28.26 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:28.36 | GNUtoo | can you try the htcdream? |
| 22:28.42 | GNUtoo | some friend have one? |
| 22:28.46 | GNUtoo | or something like that? |
| 22:28.53 | kristianpaul | may be, i'll ask |
| 22:29.00 | GNUtoo | for trying it you need: |
| 22:29.04 | GNUtoo | *a microsd card |
| 22:29.15 | GNUtoo | *fastboot(compilable under GNU/Linux) |
| 22:29.23 | GNUtoo | *a fastboot kernel |
| 22:29.34 | GNUtoo | you exrtact SHR on the microsd |
| 22:29.38 | GNUtoo | plug it in the phone |
| 22:29.41 | GNUtoo | power off the phone |
| 22:29.58 | GNUtoo | put the phone in bootloader mode |
| 22:30.06 | GNUtoo | fastboot the kernel |
| 22:30.08 | GNUtoo | and that's it |
| 22:30.12 | GNUtoo | no flashing involved |
| 22:30.24 | GNUtoo | altough he must have rooted his phone already |
| 22:30.32 | GNUtoo | if he has cyanogen it should be ok |
| 22:30.54 | kristianpaul | (rooted) hum.. |
| 22:31.08 | GNUtoo | yes that's a requirement |
| 22:31.17 | GNUtoo | you also need a microsd card reader |
| 22:31.22 | GNUtoo | for extracting to the microsd |
| 22:37.03 | kristianpaul | anyway.. i shall got offline better thant try to reach connectivity everywhere :/ |
| 22:37.21 | GNUtoo | such as using claws mails |
| 22:37.27 | GNUtoo | to fetch the mails offline |
| 22:37.43 | GNUtoo | *to fetch the mails before going offline |
| 22:37.51 | GNUtoo | and to sync when you get connectivity |
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| 23:19.59 | mrj10 | Hi all. |
| 23:21.47 | mrj10 | I followed openembedded-devel more closely during Fall 2010, and am just coming back to using OE. I wasn't immediately able to find canonical-looking information on what the state of the monolithic "openembedded" repository vs. the layers approach (oe-core, meta-openembedded, etc.) was. |
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| 23:22.50 | mrj10 | that is, is one now the preferred approach? does it depend on what you want to do? is it currently possible to build a reasonable fraction of the recipes in the original openembedded repo within the layers framework? |
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| 23:24.24 | mrj10 | i used the angstrom setup-scripts to get meta-angstrom, meta-texasinstruments, and openembedded-core to talk to each other, and successfully built console-image, but i couldn't find layers out there with some of the more full-featured images i was using from the openembedded repo (e.g. beagleboard-demo-image) |
| 23:24.55 | mrj10 | any pointers would be appreciated. i poked around the OE wiki a bit but there aren't many references to the monolithic/layers split |
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| 23:55.21 | egonzalez_ergio | hi |
| 23:55.34 | egonzalez_ergio | I triyng to remake a core-image-base in Yocto after a git pull and I have an error in cairo |
| 23:55.47 | egonzalez_ergio | cairo-mutex-impl-private.h:262:3: error: #error "XXX: No mutex implementation found. Cairo will not work with multiple threads. Define CAIRO_NO_MUTEX to 1 to acknowledge and accept this limitation and compile cairo without thread-safety support." |
| 23:55.50 | egonzalez_ergio | some idea? |