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02:47.03khemmrj10: those images need populating
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02:47.25khemmrj10: with your checkout you can build  efl-nodm-image
02:47.29khemwhich is graphical
02:49.13mrj10khem: ok, i'll give that one a shot at some point; it uses enlightenment, right?
02:49.24khemyes
02:49.40khemmrj10: but now all we need is bring the needed recipes
02:49.45khemand populate the images
02:51.18mrj10that's good to hear.  is it more involved than copy/paste?  i recall there being some discussion of deprecating/leaving out a bunch of abandoned recipes -- maybe deciding which are abandoned has something to do with it?
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05:54.23sanketcan any suggest some lightweighted webbrowser.... which can smoothly work on 250 Mhz processor....
06:01.04grgsanket, you're generally out of luck
06:01.06mrj10lynx!
06:01.33grggraphical browser options include: netsurf.
06:01.42grgnetsurf does not do javascript
06:01.43sanketlynx is a text base webbrowser....
06:02.17grgsanket, if you have gfx acceleration and lots of ram, your life will be much easier
06:02.31grgotherwise its mission impossible
06:03.07grgphones and tablets which include browsers are much more powerful and often struggle with bigger websites
06:03.33sanketI have tried some Midori webbrowser... but still the performance is not upto the mark.... I m compiling this browsers for MIPS.....'
06:04.01grgi have a 400MHz mipsel, 128mb ram and have had no luck finding a nice usable browser
06:04.17grgthey all suck on these resources, for various reasons
06:04.53grgi got firefox building some time ago, and it worked much faster than expected. But still not usable without much patience
06:06.06mrj10maybe chrome?
06:06.28grgno
06:06.48grgthe resources required to load modern websites are too great
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06:12.42mrj10well yeah
06:12.48mrj10it's not going to be great on that hardware
06:12.53mrj10no matter what you do
06:13.00mrj10but it may suck less than the alternatives
06:14.50ka6sox-awayI use elinks but thats not graphical...and less and less is text based :(
06:15.33grgweb developers have been conspiring against embedded devices for a long time
06:16.00grgshakes his fist at javascript
06:16.23grgHTML4.0 ought to be enough for anyone, right...?
06:17.32ka6sox-awaygrg, that goes along with 640kB ought to be enough for anyone.
06:20.08grg:)
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06:41.19CcSsNETgrg, dillo
06:41.25CcSsNETlimited yes. but fast
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06:50.35grgCcSsNET, dillo doesn't do javascript. So its in the same category as netsurf. Fast, but ultimately useless for the web of today.
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06:57.28CIA-1003Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rc0c5bbaa3c 10openembedded.git/recipes/avahi/mango-lassi_git.bb:
06:57.28CIA-10mango-lassi: switch to Svens version
06:57.28CIA-10From #systemd:
07:15.53mckoangood morning
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07:20.53CIA-1003Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r804cec0ea9 10openembedded.git/recipes/qt4/ (qt-4.7.3.inc qt-4.7.3/0001-wsegl2-support.patch):
07:20.53CIA-10qt 4.7.3: update powervr code to work with recent (1.6) powervr SDKs
07:20.53CIA-10Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org>
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09:01.44CIA-1003Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * raae5b51e4a 10openembedded.git/recipes/qt4/qt-4.7.3.inc:
09:01.45CIA-10qt4: fix typo in SRC_URI
09:01.45CIA-10Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org>
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10:03.31sanketI had builded x11-image using oe having Angstrom distribution.... I want to change the Splash Image .... vll it be possible? and how to?
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11:27.00eFfeM_workshould I be able to run a statically linked uclibc exe on a system that is for the rest build with eglibc ?
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11:33.13pb_yes
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11:45.53eFfeM_workpb_: hm, I get a segfault at address 0 (trying a statically linked helloworld). this is with a tree pulled a few months ago
11:46.21pb_I wouldn't be massively surprised if static linking is just plain broken with uclibc./
11:46.45pb_Why are you trying to do that, out of interest?
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11:49.58eFfeM_workwell, I moved from eglibc to uclibc (on ppc) to see how much space I save, but when I boot that image I get a kernel panic, attempting to kill init
11:50.19eFfeM_workso reverted to the eglibc image and tried a statically linked exe to see if that part works
11:51.14pb_ah, I see
11:51.14eFfeM_workbtw there is quite some saving, eglibc is about 1 M, uclibc is 670 k or so, but libm saves massively
11:51.40pb_maybe better to try booting with eglibc and then chrooting into a uclibc tree, rather than introducing the extra variable of static linking
11:51.57eFfeM_workmaybe update to git head or oe-core before I try agian, saw quite some uclibc patches from khem
11:52.03eFfeM_workcan try that too
11:52.14pb_yeah, or that
11:52.32pb_uclibc didn't even compile for me last time I tried so I can't easily check for myself whether static bins work or not.
11:52.59pb_but yes, you're right, uclibc is significantly smaller that (e)glibc
11:55.08zeckehrw: ping
11:55.16pb_hi zecke
11:55.34eFfeM_workchrooting leads to a segfault on the chroot cmd
11:56.06zeckepb_: hi, how are you? your first months in the new job have passed?
11:56.31pb_eFfeM_work: okay, so it sounds as though uclibc is just generically broken
11:56.53pb_zecke: yes, thanks.  it'll be four months tomorrow in fact.
11:57.03pb_all going well so far :-)
11:57.07eFfeM_workpb_: guess so, will try with git head, but probably not today
11:57.58eFfeM_worktoo much work and too little time
11:58.07pb_righto
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12:08.38Croftonpb_, games are core :)
12:09.11GNUtooabout games....where should I add games like:
12:09.16GNUtoo*wesnoth
12:09.20GNUtoo*wordwarvi
12:09.22GNUtooetc...
12:09.25GNUtoonot poky games
12:09.33GNUtooin oe-core
12:09.46GNUtoowill there be a game layer
12:10.14Croftonthe games layer :)
12:10.21Croftonis at the beach
12:10.38GNUtooah there is a game layer now
12:10.39GNUtoook
12:10.50CroftonI don't know
12:11.01CroftonI am just being silly :)
12:11.25GNUtooah ok
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13:42.16pb_hi mickey|
13:47.40cbrakepb_: Hi Phil.  Someone mentioned you have a micro distro git layer somewhere?
13:47.53pb_hi cliff
13:47.54cbrakepb_: I would like to add that to the weekly changelog if it makes sense
13:48.59pb_yes, it's currently at git://pbcl.net/git/meta-micro, but I was planning to move it to be hosted at oe.org in the nearish future
13:49.24CIA-1003Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rf4a0659a00 10openembedded.git/recipes/x-load/x-load_git.bb:
13:49.24CIA-10x-load git: bump SRCREV
13:49.24CIA-10tested on beagleboard/angstrom
13:49.34CIA-1003Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r1b18fbc058 10openembedded.git/recipes/avahi/mango-lassi_git.bb:
13:49.34CIA-10mango-lassi: add missing xtst to DEPENDS
13:49.34CIA-10Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org>
13:49.37pb_what do you need to do to add it to the changelog: do you just pull from the repo and inspect the output from "git log"?
13:49.53cbrakepb_: yes
13:50.08pb_ok, cool.  well, you are very welcome to start doing that.  I'll let you know if/when the url changes.
13:50.08cbrakepb_: do you want me to set up the repo on git.oe.org now?
13:50.17pb_actually, yeah, let's do that
13:50.24pb_I guess now is as good a time as any to move it
13:50.38cbrakepb_: ok, I'll set up the repo unless you want to
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13:51.09pb_please go ahead
13:55.38cbrakepb_: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/meta-micro/
13:55.53pb_rock
13:55.54pb_thanks
13:55.57cbrakepb_: you should have push access.  I assume you want to keep this layer the "pull model"?
13:56.15pb_yes, please
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13:58.30CIA-1003Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r9665a28fc6 10openembedded.git/recipes/avahi/avahi-ui_0.6.30.bb:
13:58.30CIA-10avahi-ui 0.6.30: improve packaging some more
13:58.30CIA-10Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org>
14:01.45CIA-1003Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r063c182297 10openembedded.git/classes/kernel.bbclass:
14:01.45CIA-10kernel.bbclass: pass KERNEL_VERSION through legitimize_package_name
14:01.45CIA-10- KERNEL_VERSION may contain characters unsuitable for package
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14:05.41CIA-1003Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * rb527db8025 10openembedded.git/lib/oe/unpack.py:
14:05.41CIA-10lib/oe/unpack.py: unpack rar archives
14:05.41CIA-10Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org>
14:06.02mdpooleIs there a good way to find out which recipe generated an .opkg?
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14:06.42pb_look at the OE: field in the control file
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14:07.27CIA-1003Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * re178452958 10openembedded.git/classes/kernel.bbclass: (log message trimmed)
14:07.27CIA-10kernel.bbclass: pass AR, NM and OBJCOPY to make
14:07.27CIA-10- Fixes build with certain vendor-supplied Montavista kernels.
14:08.42mdpoolepb_: Thanks!  That did the trick.
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14:20.38pb_hi kergoth
14:23.29cbrakecan someone point me to meta-slugos?
14:24.51pb_git://github.com/kraj/meta-slugos.git apparently
14:25.10pb_also git://github.com/kraj/meta-nslu2.git
14:25.14pb_(for the nslu2 machine layer)
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14:27.05kergothhmm, do we have a wiki page just listing all the known available layers, yet? we should make one, if not
14:27.10kergothyawns
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14:27.16pb_not afaik
14:27.18pb_good idea though
14:27.38pb_meta-metadata :-}
14:29.23kergothhehe
14:29.39cbrakeis swimming in layers ...
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14:33.08cbrakehttp://git.yoctoproject.org/ has a bunch more layers ...
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14:40.19mwester-laptopneeds to figure out the layer thing...
14:44.39pb_cbrake: do you have any idea what keeps going wrong with the oe-core repo?  it seems to break any time anybody touches anything git-related on melo.
14:45.25cbrakepb_: is it broke now?
14:45.30pb_yeah
14:45.35cbrakepb_: I just pushed some git changes
14:45.36pb_I suspect it broke when you added meta-micro
14:46.19cbrakepb_: I'll look at it
14:46.25pb_ok, thanks
14:46.32pb_I don't have my ssh key with me right now so I can't look myself
14:47.08pb_see http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2011-May/003009.html for the complaint
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14:59.50cbrakeRP__: oe-core git is fixed.  I also fixed the root cause of the problem.
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15:07.19pb_cbrake: excellent, thanks
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16:00.38kergothdoes anyone else think it'd be useful to have a tool to inspect a tmpdir and tell you about the build?
16:00.51kergoththese images were built, these recipes, these tasks failed, whatever..
16:00.53kergothafter the fact
16:01.28kergothnot everyone saves a full build log -- speaking of which, we need to start emitting one '
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16:13.38GNUtookergoth, or maybe we could have a general logging system
16:13.45GNUtoosomething like an integrated tee
16:13.47kergothnot sure what you mean by that.
16:13.54kergothcurrent bitbake already uses the python logging module
16:13.59GNUtoobasically I do that everytime:
16:14.01GNUtooscreen
16:14.02kergothadding a global log is like 2 lines of code
16:14.08GNUtoobitbake foo-image;bitbake bar thing
16:14.17GNUtooand then I detach
16:14.21GNUtooand reattach
16:14.29GNUtooand I don't know what failled
16:14.33GNUtooand what succeded
16:15.02kergoththat depends on what bitbake UI you use, also
16:15.09GNUtooah?
16:15.15GNUtooI use the console ui
16:15.19GNUtoobitbake foo-image
16:15.21kergoththe gtk one lets you go back and look at the state of all the tasks, and copy the log files of each, etc
16:15.27GNUtooah ok
16:15.35GNUtooI work trough ssh
16:15.41kergothbut, i do think we need an automatic always emitted log of your full bitbake build
16:15.48GNUtooand I always forgett to tee the bitbake output
16:15.54kergothnods
16:15.54GNUtooyes
16:21.50ka6sox-awaykergoth, I do, for stats.
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16:51.38RP__cbrake: thanks very much!
16:52.51RP__kergoth: Ideally we need to separate out the console log levels from the main logging levels but I'd love to see a log file of the console
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17:18.01kergoth_ctypes.o: ELF file data encoding is not little endian -- anyone run into this one?
17:18.08kergothpython build, powerpc machine
17:21.38RP__kergoth: oecore or not?
17:21.48RP__We had some ctypes fixes in there recently...
17:23.09kergothnot
17:23.15kergothchecks the oe-core log
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17:26.14kergothlooks like the recent changes there were for 3rd party stuff, while the issue i'm hitting is with building of the c extensions in python itself
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17:34.23RP__kergoth: fair enough, I just wondered if it was related
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17:41.51khemRP__: in oecore libelf is provided by elfutils but elfutils do not build for uclibc due to its glibc'ism but gcc 4.5 needs libelf to build itself
17:42.10khemfor target it does not build for uclibc since it requires elfutils
17:42.35khemin classic oe there is a separate recipe for libelf
17:43.15khemI wonder if we should either provide a virtual/libelf
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18:32.34EricFromFloridahello.  Can someone advise me on my bitbake recipe?  What is the fundamental different between work directory which end up under overo... and ones that end up under armv7a...  I created my own recipe and the deliverable ended up under armv7a and I was wondering why and what for?
18:36.33kergothrecipes are flagged as either arch specific or machine specific.
18:36.41kergoththis is done to support building for multiple target machines in a single tmpdir
18:37.40EricFromFloridai see.... so is arm... an architecture specific target?
18:37.51EricFromFloridaand overo-... a machine specific target?
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18:51.10T0mWCouple of years ago, I wasted a lot of time with OE until I stumbled upon the fact that I was using the unstable branch (monotone days).  Now that I'm starting a new project, what branch should I use that is "stable"?
18:51.59zeckeT0mW: you might want to take a look at Yocto/Poky for something very stable.
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18:52.17kergotherm, wrong button
18:52.39kergothi was going to say yocto/poky is indeed a good option, or you could use the maintenance branch of oe, which is the latest oe release + some backported fixes
18:52.47kergothsadly oe-core isn't anywhere near ready for primetime yet
18:53.39T0mWha, not that stable.  With monotone there were many branches, I don't see anything but the "master" branch.  What I'd like to avoid is developing using bleedin' edge recipies that change hourly (unstable branch)
18:54.45jconnollyis there a TSC or yocto-based timeline for oe-core readiness kergoth ?
18:54.51jconnollyjust curious
18:55.06T0mWI've now got two projects to fill filesystems for.  One has a large LCD, the other doesn't.
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18:55.58T0mWkergoth: "remotes/origin/2011.03-maintenance" ??
18:56.16kergothT0mW: there's master, and there's the maintainance branch. there's also the 'testing' tag, which is a weekly snapshot with recorded information about what machines/distros were successfully built with it
18:56.18kergothyeah
18:57.02T0mWkergoth: thank you, Chris.
18:57.10kergothnp
18:57.26kergothdo check out yocto/poky though, its a much much smaller repository, focused on a stable minimal subset of metadata of oe
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18:57.35kergoth(which is what oe-core will be for both projects in the future)
18:59.43foersterkergoth: did you happen to see the picture i linked on here last week for my first OE based product?
18:59.53kergothfoerster: nope
19:00.02foersterhttp://erafx.com/tmp/LZPS_FD2_1.jpg
19:00.11foersterhttp://erafx.com/tmp/LZPS_FD2_2.jpg
19:00.34foersterJust the front panel touch screen is OE.  super-loop/rtos on other boards inside.
19:00.38T0mWkergoth: seen that and played with it, it was interesting.  
19:01.08kergothfoerster: nice. definitely a use case i haven't seen before
19:01.22foersterand one shot of the front panel in action: http://erafx.com/tmp/LZPS_FD2_0.jpg
19:01.47foersterI forgot my camera when I was at the factory 2 weeks ago, and my droid takes lousy pictures.
19:03.38ka6sox-awayfoerster, nice
19:04.10foersterka6sox-away: thanks ;)  Feels good to finally get it released.
19:04.14kergothfoerster: congrats :)
19:04.21foersterkergoth: thanks
19:04.30foersterfirst 5 units to ship this Friday
19:04.38kergothnice
19:05.21kergothworking on sort of meta-products, i don't get to see anything *tangible* go out the door anymore. selling something oe based for other people to use to make *their* products, a bit more meta, detached from the real devices :)
19:05.34kergothits always a nice feeling to actually get a product out the door
19:05.43foersterFYI - that's a "static transfer switch", typically used in high end datacenters.  
19:05.44kergothmore so with something physical for some reason, at least for me
19:06.04foersterYea, it's nice to be able to see it, touch it, and experience it working on real hardware :)
19:06.14kergothindeed
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19:12.41foersterkergoth: cairo (graphics lib) at work: http://www.erafx.com/tmp/waveform.png
19:13.24foersteris done spamming :)
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20:46.19EricFromFloridawhich variable in a recipe would target a working directory for overo... or armv7a... ?
20:48.27JaManot sure what you mean, but maybe you want PACKAGE_ARCH
20:50.00mdpoolethat was my guess as well, but I couldn't find documentation for what PACKAGE_ARCH is supposed to do
20:50.19mdpoole(I just looked at some of the TI-specific recipes)
20:51.21kergothi already explained this earlier.
20:51.53kergothrecipes can be marked as being machine specific. this is necessary to facilitate builds of multiple machines in a single build directory.
20:52.05kergothif your recipe will run on any device, you don't need to touch PACKAGE_ARCH at all
20:55.28JaMaor you can set PACKAGE_ARCH = "all" if the package isn't even architecture specific (like theme files)
20:55.47JaMato keep only one build for all machines/architectures in build directory
20:56.31kergothgood point
20:57.26kergothand of course this affects the architecture on the binary packages emitted, which allows a single opkg package feed to work for multiple devices as well, not just for builds
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21:46.47hbeckanyone know offhand if there's an OE python recipe that provides contents similar to python-support package (/usr/bin/dh_pysupport, /usr/sbin/update-python-modules) ?
21:48.24EricFromFloridaI found it ;)  PACKAGE_ARCH = "${MACHINE_ARCH}"  
21:48.37EricFromFloridaThanks for the educational tour :))
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23:04.46hbeckugh.
23:05.18hbeckwhat's the purpose behind having 65+ python- packages?
23:05.24hbeck2.6.6 recipe
23:19.56kergothhigh granularity is usually preferred, to keep image sizes down
23:20.05kergothwhile retaining flexibility
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23:51.06dexxorHello
23:51.29dexxorhas anybody looking at developing an embedded routing platform?
23:51.35dexxorlike a cisco type device?
23:53.48dexxoror even mikrotik?
23:54.21dexxorcurrently looking for developors to look into dev a industrial M2M device

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