| 00:01.58 | wmat | Crofton|irssi: I offerred to fix the wiki many, many months ago so that we could re-enable the ability for new users to edit |
| 00:03.47 | bluelightning | personally I'd still prefer it if we could do that |
| 00:03.57 | bluelightning | it's the way wikis are meant to be |
| 00:04.31 | wmat | i presume that it is the way it is because the wiki got hammered by spammers at some point? |
| 00:04.58 | wmat | I dealt with the same issue for elinux.org and it seems to be working presently |
| 00:05.18 | wmat | it's just a matter of installing a few mediawiki plugins |
| 00:07.11 | bluelightning | wmat: I believe so, according to tom there was spamming even with the captcha |
| 00:12.49 | wmat | yeah, it definitely happens |
| 00:13.36 | wmat | we've been pretty successful keeping them off of elinux.org with Captchas, as well as a few other extensions |
| 00:14.47 | Crofton|irssi | wmat: can you talk with ka6sox about this |
| 00:15.03 | Crofton|irssi | bluelightning: I owe you some qt + camke stuff also |
| 00:15.17 | Crofton|irssi | at a conference this week, so no time get stuff in order |
| 00:15.26 | wmat | Crofton|irssi: will do |
| 00:15.32 | Crofton|irssi | thanks |
| 00:15.34 | ka6sox | wmat, pong |
| 00:15.53 | bluelightning | Crofton|irssi: I thought I owed you some stuff on that... sorry I really wanted to help you more directly with this stuff, I'm glad you've been able to make some progress though |
| 00:15.54 | Crofton|irssi | is going for beer to decompress |
| 00:16.09 | Crofton|irssi | I think I have a handle in the issues |
| 00:16.18 | Crofton|irssi | with some fixes and some stuff we need to thinkn about |
| 00:16.25 | wmat | ka6sox: was just reading the Documentation/wiki thread and noted that I can help with the MW config so that people can edit again |
| 00:18.13 | ka6sox | wmat, kewl...let me know how I can enable you to do that or you can tell me how :D |
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| 00:21.57 | wmat | ka6sox: i'd need ssh access to the box the MW install is on, as well as being added to the Administrator group in MW |
| 00:22.48 | ka6sox | wmat, username on the wiki? |
| 00:22.57 | wmat | ka6sox: wmat |
| 00:23.50 | ka6sox | done |
| 00:23.54 | ka6sox | try now? |
| 00:24.24 | wmat | great, thx |
| 00:28.25 | ka6sox | wmat, see pm |
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| 02:32.33 | ka6sox | wmat, you still about? |
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| 02:38.38 | wmat | ka6sox: yep, for a bit longer |
| 02:42.14 | ka6sox | wmat, working your login now. |
| 02:43.46 | ka6sox | wmat, did you get pm? |
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| 06:21.54 | eFfeM_work | gm |
| 06:22.23 | Jin^eLD | mornin |
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| 06:58.28 | Jin^eLD | hmm, whats the defailt password for angstrom? I did not set anything but can't login via console on my freshly flashed self built OE core image...? |
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| 07:07.15 | Jin^eLD | damn... I can't login via serial and I wonder what package did tat to me |
| 07:09.25 | JaMa | check getty providers mingetty/util-linux-agetty/busybox/tinylogin |
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| 07:09.34 | JaMa | Jin^eLD: and u-a |
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| 07:10.38 | Jin^eLD | tinylogin seems to be installed |
| 07:10.53 | Jin^eLD | getty too, inittab uses getty |
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| 07:11.38 | JaMa | and the getty link is right? |
| 07:12.00 | Jin^eLD | it likns to tinylogin, yes |
| 07:13.15 | Jin^eLD | one difference is that old has just "passwd" while new rootfs has "passw" and "passwd-" - shadow stuff? |
| 07:13.55 | JaMa | ah you see login: only the password is not accepted? |
| 07:14.01 | Jin^eLD | right |
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| 07:14.10 | Jin^eLD | login as such seems to work, but password is not accepted |
| 07:14.20 | JaMa | ah then it's not getty's fault |
| 07:14.21 | Jin^eLD | is OE setting any defaults and if yes where? |
| 07:19.41 | Jin^eLD | hmm, where are the /etc/passwd* files in the rootfs coming from? opkg says they do not belong to any package |
| 07:20.50 | JaMa | Jin^eLD: iirc base-passwd creates them in postinst (during do_rootfs aready) |
| 07:21.04 | JaMa | that's why it's not owned by it |
| 07:21.13 | JaMa | but please check |
| 07:22.24 | Jin^eLD | you are right |
| 07:22.25 | Jin^eLD | thanks |
| 07:23.00 | Jin^eLD | it does some trickery with it |
| 07:23.42 | Jin^eLD | but I still can not figur eout where it is taking it from |
| 07:25.04 | Jin^eLD | probably from the tarball, I think I get it now |
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| 07:32.32 | khem | JaMa: regarding that DT_NEEDED thing |
| 07:32.58 | khem | JaMa: you need to specify it with the program that needs it |
| 07:33.00 | snkt | I have successfully inserted a modules compiled from compat-wireless.org for D-Link DWA125 .... but now I m getting error as .... "phy3 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware." |
| 07:33.14 | snkt | I have placed the correct firmware file in /lib/firmware................can anyone help me.... what I m missing..... ???? |
| 07:37.01 | khem | JaMa: so suppose a binary wanted a function from libA.so but did not do -lA but there was libB.so which has DT_NEEDED for libA.so and binary did -lB then so far behavour was that linker will implicitly link in libA.so to binary since it was in DT_NEEDED of libB which was spefied on linker cmdline with -lB |
| 07:37.07 | khem | but now it will fail |
| 07:37.21 | khem | and use has to supply -lA explicitly on cmdline |
| 07:37.37 | khem | in order to link the binary successfully |
| 07:38.23 | khem | logic is that tomorrow if libB.so removes its dependency on libA.so then this binary link will silently fail |
| 07:38.44 | JaMa | but if program B has B.pc or b-config, then -A should be stated there right? |
| 07:39.15 | JaMa | not fixed in program C which used pkg-config to discover B.pc needs or call b-config |
| 07:40.25 | khem | JaMa: if a symbol in binary depends directly on libA then it has to do -lA |
| 07:41.21 | khem | but for libB.so if it depends on libA.so providing it through pkgconfig will be required too |
| 07:42.12 | JaMa | ok then we think the same, thanks for confirmation |
| 07:42.20 | khem | JaMa: usually .pc/pkgconfig files are for libraries |
| 07:42.29 | khem | difference is when linking the binary |
| 07:42.37 | khem | the shared thing remains same |
| 07:43.01 | JaMa | I've sent first patch for such issue to meta-oe (nmon) but that was a bit special as ncurses was added only to LDFLAGS in recipe |
| 07:43.06 | khem | JaMa: but I see a problem here |
| 07:43.36 | khem | so if there is a program P which used symbols from libA and libB both |
| 07:43.46 | khem | and libB uses symbols from libA |
| 07:43.59 | khem | then you will export -lA in .pc file of B |
| 07:44.39 | khem | and when linking program P it will provide -lA to P's linking cmdline but it comes via libB's infrastructure |
| 07:44.54 | khem | that would be wrong since P should also have provision to link with libA.so |
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| 07:45.59 | JaMa | yes that's why I'm not adding -lX11 to aurora-daemon when I expect it should come via some aurora-daemon dependency infrastructure (ie qt4 .pc) |
| 07:46.05 | khem | so tomorrow libB drops dependency on libA and stops exposing it through .pc file then program P can not be linked anymore |
| 07:46.14 | khem | so make sure this thing |
| 07:46.29 | khem | whoever needs the symbol has to provide -lblabla |
| 07:47.10 | khem | does aurora-daemon calls some functions from libX11.so directly ? |
| 07:47.24 | JaMa | no |
| 07:47.40 | khem | ok then it should not use -lX11 in its CFLAGS/LDFLAGS |
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| 08:03.14 | Jin^eLD | ich leg mich hin fuer ein paar stunden, bis nacher bzw dann bis am abend, hab euch ein mail geschrieben |
| 08:03.16 | Jin^eLD | oops wrong window |
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| 08:28.26 | khem | -> sleep() |
| 08:29.58 | JaMa | gnight -> khem |
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| 08:41.13 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 09:58.12 | kenws | RP__: Thanks for your response and sorry for the delay - I fell asleep and didn't check the IRC till now. :) Currently I'm trying to find out where the content for the -dbg packages is described. |
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| 09:59.20 | otavio | kenws: it seems RP__ hasn't seen your message, post it again |
| 10:02.49 | kenws | otavio: yeah, it was yesterday. :) here is the corresponding irc log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/756885/ |
| 10:17.05 | kenws | tries to add: FILES_${PN}-dbg += "${libexecdir}/getconf/.debug" |
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| 11:03.28 | eFfeM_work | hm, Ive been kicked from the oe-core mailing list ! |
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| 11:04.47 | eFfeM_work | i feel there is a list maintainer abusing his powers |
| 11:10.30 | ericben | eFfeM_work: maybe it's just an error |
| 11:11.24 | ericben | else that would give a very bad image of the OE community |
| 11:13.39 | eFfeM_work | ericben, maybe, but maybe someone did not like my two cents: http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org/msg12870.html |
| 11:16.51 | eFfeM_work | pb_: appreciate you're looking into this |
| 11:21.46 | mckoan | eFfeM_work: If your suspicions should be based, would be a serious community problem |
| 11:23.03 | pb_ | hrm |
| 11:23.19 | pb_ | RP__: are you there? |
| 11:27.21 | ericben | eFfeM_work: I think you should relax a bit the world is not against you, maybe that's just a technical issue on the mailing list server |
| 11:29.11 | ericben | anyway I hope that was not deliberate else the means the OE community has a big problem |
| 11:30.24 | eFfeM_work | we'll see. I've resubscribed. It is not *that* easy to get rid of me :-) |
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| 11:31.37 | mckoan | eFfeM_work: LOL and moreover we still want you amid us :-D |
| 11:32.24 | eFfeM_work | mckoan|away: thanks (hm pidging autcomplete seems to have an issue, might need to restart |
| 11:32.31 | eFfeM_work | but first.... lunch ! |
| 11:32.32 | eFfeM_work | bbl |
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| 11:53.38 | RP__ | pb_: yes |
| 11:53.49 | pb_ | RP__: ah, hello. I just sent you an email. |
| 11:59.58 | RP__ | pb_: hmm, which address? |
| 12:00.05 | pb_ | RP__: your linuxfoundation one |
| 12:00.18 | pb_ | is there a better one to use? |
| 12:01.51 | RP__ | pb_: no, that one should work but it does bounce between a few systems after the LF server issues and it doesn't seem to have arrived yet :/ |
| 12:02.18 | RP__ | I am seeing other emails so I'm not sure why that one is going slowly |
| 12:02.26 | pb_ | ah. I'll give you the gist of it in a /query |
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| 14:56.27 | ericben | hi otavio |
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| 15:57.14 | gizero76 | hello! are source mirrors available at http://mirrors.openembedded.org/ ? It seems I cannot fetch from there |
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| 16:00.17 | fray | afaik, no there are no source mirrors there, except for a limited number of packages.. |
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| 16:00.33 | fray | both Angstrom and the Yocto project have mirrors available. (Yocto Project mirrors are limited to oe-core) |
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| 16:01.19 | gizero76 | Trying to build out of oe classic 2011.03-maintenance for da850-omapl138-evm |
| 16:01.39 | gizero76 | missing tarball is fakeroot_1.14.5.orig.tar.bz2 |
| 16:02.22 | gizero76 | this is known from http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2011-June/033363.html |
| 16:02.40 | fray | I -think- Angstom mirrors have that, but Im not sure.. sorry |
| 16:02.55 | gizero76 | how to point to angstrom mirrors? |
| 16:03.11 | fray | not sure.. I've only used the Yocto mirrors myself |
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| 16:05.14 | gizero76 | I'll look into Yocto setup... any idea where they are setup? local.conf? mirrors.bbclass or similar? |
| 16:06.09 | fray | yocto has it in their configuration, but the mirror setup is simple.. |
| 16:06.17 | fray | let me point you to it.. just a sec |
| 16:06.29 | gizero76 | thx |
| 16:07.45 | fray | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky.conf |
| 16:07.55 | fray | look at lines 42 - 55 |
| 16:08.16 | fray | premirrors.. do this before you try the upstream source.. mirrors = try this after you try the upstream source |
| 16:08.26 | fray | you can drop those lines into your local.conf file |
| 16:08.44 | fray | but it won't directly fix your issue.. AFAIK yocto doesn't have anything but the oe-core components.. so no fakeroot |
| 16:09.51 | gizero76 | I will probably have to find Angstrom mirrors... |
| 16:17.16 | bluelightning | gizero76: try INHERIT += "angstrom-mirrors" in your local.conf |
| 16:22.00 | gizero76 | bluelightning: it doesn't work. I believe it was already set by including conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc |
| 16:22.11 | gizero76 | I'm building angstrom-2010.x |
| 16:22.13 | bluelightning | oh right |
| 16:22.28 | gizero76 | looks like they also miss that tarball! |
| 16:27.13 | gizero76 | ooops! http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/ is pointing to a linux foundation web page (a broken one, I'd say)... Is it the same for you? |
| 16:27.30 | fray | d'oh |
| 16:27.36 | bluelightning | yeah :/ |
| 16:27.45 | fray | unstable should point to the Yocto project? |
| 16:28.12 | fray | (I think.. from memory at least thats what i thought Koen said) |
| 16:29.40 | gizero76 | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/pool/ looks more Angstrom-related, but no mirrored tarballs yet! |
| 16:30.36 | rob_w | how do i found out why a certain version of a recipe is beeing used ? |
| 16:31.16 | gizero76 | I'll try later and see if it's back... i don't know either if it's supposed to come back! first time digging into this kind of problem with tarballs missing from upstream debian repos |
| 16:31.54 | fray | rob_w, bitbake -s will list all of the versions and if the "latest" isn't preferred, what the preferred version is.. |
| 16:32.00 | fray | that might answer some of your questions.. |
| 16:33.14 | rob_w | ok cool |
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| 17:10.44 | gchiii | how can I keep bluez4 or any bluetooth stuff from being built? |
| 17:20.28 | msm | sgw: what exactly are your CONSOLIDATED PULL vs. a normal patch you post? |
| 17:20.45 | msm | sgw: it seems like you are just reposting others patches for the record? |
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| 17:24.12 | sgw | msm: the idea is that I am pulling together patches and testing them as a group before RP pulls. |
| 17:24.48 | sgw | msm: sometimes this works better than others. I was under the weather this week, so RP pulled directly. |
| 17:25.51 | msm | so that is a test run for the autobuilder? |
| 17:25.55 | msm | sgw: ^ |
| 17:27.41 | sgw | yes, sometimes on the external one, we also have some internal machines that I use. |
| 17:33.40 | rob_w | i cant find the recipe which forces me on gcc-4.3.3 ( its an old snapshot) .. how do i identify any recipe bringing in this version condition |
| 17:34.06 | rob_w | the reason is i want to use gcc-4.5 now . maybe , can i force gcc to be anything but 4.5 ? |
| 17:42.16 | msm | I asked this the other day - do we have any interest in have a host-prepare script? Something that runs yum or apt to install required host packages? |
| 17:58.14 | sgw | msm: this has been talked about before, I think the answer would be yes, I remember one discussion about adding a package that would add the a repo via a web download. |
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| 18:37.43 | khem | msm: its something we should think about |
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| 18:38.18 | khem | msm: we have to sanitize distro's packages which are deemed good then should be added to ASSUME_PROVIDED |
| 18:38.47 | khem | that can avoild lot of native builds |
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| 18:47.09 | kergoth | khem: have you seen my auto assume provided? less manually sanitized, but I've been using it for builds for months |
| 18:57.31 | msm | sgw: khem: well, i'll ask my coworker to send a patch to |
| 18:57.42 | msm | kergoth: is this in the tree currently? |
| 18:58.00 | kergoth | nah, it's in my ~/.oe, which I have in my BBPATH in bblayers.conf in all my setups |
| 18:58.04 | kergoth | for my local / site specific bits |
| 18:58.27 | kergoth | since it could *potentially* break, figured it being default would be bad. guess we could try throwing it to meta-oe but leave it opt-in |
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| 19:05.50 | msm | kergoth: its interesting… anything to speed up builds is good |
| 19:06.10 | msm | its such a huge turn off for people just getting started with OE |
| 19:06.56 | msm | that and disk size… almost of people run these things on laptops in VMs |
| 19:11.39 | kergoth | nods |
| 19:11.48 | kergoth | it hurts when comparing oe to something like buildroot |
| 19:11.52 | kergoth | or even ltib, to a lesser extent |
| 19:12.25 | msm | i know |
| 19:12.30 | msm | but thats the comparison that gets made |
| 19:13.08 | kergoth | https://bitbucket.org/kergoth/dotfiles/src/ad1537b9002d/oe/classes/assume.bbclass and https://bitbucket.org/kergoth/dotfiles/src/ad1537b9002d/oe/lib/kergoth |
| 19:13.24 | kergoth | (experimenting with hg for my dotfiles as an excuse to force myself to get as comfortable with hg as I am with git) |
| 19:17.00 | msm | kergoth: how much does this improve the first pseudo-native build step? |
| 19:18.05 | kergoth | not sure, haven't done much performance testing with it |
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| 22:10.25 | msm | has anyone looked at using a common components for the linux source |
| 22:10.35 | msm | when building packages for each MACHINE |
| 22:10.49 | msm | the kernel sstate-cache components tend to take up 200mb each |
| 22:10.58 | msm | seems like each one of these would have a lot of overlap |
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| 22:27.43 | msm | nevermind, im just wrong… its not common stuff |
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| 22:37.19 | ant____ | khem: ping |
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| 22:38.20 | khem | ant____: hello |
| 22:39.21 | ant____ | hi there |
| 22:40.20 | ant____ | there is a starnge breakage reported crosscompiling on ubuntu |
| 22:40.29 | ant____ | do you build on 11.10 ? |
| 22:42.16 | ant____ | khem: seemsm having to do with linaro |
| 22:42.19 | ant____ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/+bug/872426 |
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| 22:42.58 | ant____ | now, that's very strange, provided you sent a patch in OE which went upstream one year ago... |
| 22:43.34 | ant____ | maks, klibc maintainer, said 'i think they have a semistrange multiarch patch.' |
| 22:45.59 | khem | ant____: hmm possible |
| 22:47.33 | ant____ | in fact the patch was fixing build on native i386 |
| 22:47.40 | ant____ | http://git.kernel.org/?p=libs/klibc/klibc.git;a=commit;h=28da73a8add68f4abf68c417ac9559acc5d06861 |
| 22:48.25 | khem | that guy does not have kernel headers staged |
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