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| 07:53.36 | ericbutters | good morning. can someone pls say what could cause that: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=54mR3cUa |
| 07:53.51 | ericbutters | there is no login |
| 08:02.52 | ericbutters | the console-image (built for cortexa8) has no inittab. why? |
| 08:03.20 | pwgen | <ericbutters>: systemd ... |
| 08:04.33 | ericbutters | pwgen ok. so how to see a getty on ttySAC ? |
| 08:04.51 | pwgen | Failed to mount /sys/kernel/security.. seems there are many packets not intalled |
| 08:05.58 | ericbutters | pwgen i built console-image .. mounted that via nfs .. thats it |
| 08:07.29 | pwgen | ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/getty at .service /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty at ttySAC.service |
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| 08:09.42 | pwgen | <ericbutters>: there are millions of reasons why a nfsroot does not start .. and oe-images somtimes are lacking some required packages to run as nfs root |
| 08:10.09 | ericbutters | ok i try with jffs2 |
| 08:11.25 | pwgen | when you can load an initrd you can make an image that rund only from ram |
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| 08:19.43 | ericbutters | pwgen how to disable systemd in console-image oe-core ? |
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| 08:24.40 | pwgen | make your own image recipe and add sysvinit ( sysvinit_2.88dsf.bb ) |
| 08:25.15 | pwgen | replace systemd stuff with sysvinit stuff |
| 08:25.22 | ericbutters | thx |
| 08:28.46 | pwgen | good luck |
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| 09:18.54 | ericbutters | pwgen: i copied console-base-image.bb and console-image.bb to dk-*.bb and modified like here: dk-console-base-image.bb: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LNdSM3WX |
| 09:19.12 | ericbutters | and dk-console-image.bb: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=juAdxc4e |
| 09:20.28 | ericbutters | i also modified angstrom-core-tweaks.inc to: IMAGE_INIT_MANAGER ?= "sysvinit" and IMAGE_INITSCRIPTS ?= "sysvinit-inittab_2.88dsf" |
| 09:21.13 | ericbutters | but when i run bitbake dk-console-image it does the last two tasks.. and result in the same - no sysvinit. |
| 09:22.07 | ericbutters | do i need to make a "clean" build ? |
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| 10:06.09 | pb_ | morning all |
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| 10:18.00 | ericbutters | i do not get a getty on my serial line. i think it is because udev does not start. someone can say why udev is not starting (using systemd) ? |
| 10:18.02 | bluelightning | hi pb_ |
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| 10:28.48 | ericbutters | got it. missed some kernel features- |
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| 10:51.56 | pb_ | hi bluelightning |
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| 12:16.37 | lautriv | ericbutters, actually fighting with the same problem, but i'm sure the kernel is prepared. do you use serial over usb ? |
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| 12:52.46 | ericbutters | lautriv i got it |
| 12:52.59 | ericbutters | one moment |
| 12:55.33 | ericbutters | here is my kernel configuration http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VbEUUKw2 |
| 12:55.38 | lautriv | ericbutters, have read that but do you use serial over usb ? |
| 12:55.50 | ericbutters | no |
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| 15:12.07 | slapin | hi, all! How could I using OE-core force some recipe to be built using thumb instruction set? |
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| 17:51.40 | yuriy | Hi, I just came across a patch for nios2 toolchain in OE. I didn't realize that OE had nios2 support, so I'm curious about it. does somebody here know much about that? how much is it maintained, what version it is based on, etc? |
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| 18:07.34 | angs | I installed rtl8192cu on a beaglebone that runs angstroms distribution. I configured /var/lib/connman/settings and wifi.config. My usb wifi adapter do not get IP address after the reboot. dmesg looks fine. What should I do? |
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| 18:09.01 | azertyu | hI |
| 18:09.08 | azertyu | anyone here ? |
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| 19:27.37 | azertyu | is there anyone got beggerboard ? |
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| 19:32.24 | lautriv | hi GNUtoo-desktop |
| 19:32.31 | GNUtoo-desktop | hi |
| 19:40.14 | lautriv | just got one failure from my hx, using a spyglass on this ultra-small letters.....first failed line was "failed to start LSB" |
| 19:42.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 19:44.54 | lautriv | i interpret LSB as Linux-Standard-Base which might be the reason for some systemd thingies not coming up ? |
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| 19:47.03 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes should be linux standard base |
| 19:47.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | but I doubt that it's your problem |
| 19:48.19 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop counting all red marks, there are 5 lines failing, this was the first one but thing boots in 3 seconds so you could imagine how much time i have to catch and read the lines ;) |
| 19:49.46 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, use a camera |
| 19:49.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | a camera has 24fps |
| 19:56.12 | azertyu | Hi GNUtoo-desktop |
| 19:56.31 | GNUtoo-desktop | hi |
| 19:56.49 | azertyu | can you build mumudvb .ipk |
| 19:56.51 | azertyu | ? |
| 19:56.59 | GNUtoo-desktop | no I can't |
| 19:57.14 | GNUtoo-desktop | I would need to redo the setup etc... |
| 19:57.15 | azertyu | no you have to do |
| 19:57.53 | azertyu | ok i forgive you |
| 19:57.57 | azertyu | tell me what i have to do ? |
| 19:59.35 | GNUtoo-desktop | first change your IRC client settings to keep logs |
| 20:00.11 | azertyu | i got just only imac and apple product |
| 20:00.41 | GNUtoo-desktop | then make it keep logs |
| 20:00.45 | GNUtoo-desktop | or change IRC client |
| 20:00.47 | azertyu | not got real IRC for mac |
| 20:01.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | try xchat |
| 20:01.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | or irssi |
| 20:01.35 | GNUtoo-desktop | my machine is swapping hard.... |
| 20:04.54 | azertyu | why ? |
| 20:05.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | because I'm building replicant with only 2G of ram and with my browser open |
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| 20:05.43 | azertyui | ok good |
| 20:05.50 | GNUtoo-desktop | closing the browser fixed it |
| 20:05.51 | azertyui | i me here now on xchat |
| 20:05.56 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 20:06.02 | GNUtoo-desktop | then make it keep logs |
| 20:06.32 | azertyui | done |
| 20:07.03 | azertyui | tell what i have to do for making package for my dreambox ? |
| 20:07.40 | GNUtoo-desktop | did you finally copy the files at the right place? |
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| 20:08.06 | azertyui | i just only copy the files but i don't know if it is on the right place |
| 20:08.11 | azertyui | where i have to do M? |
| 20:08.16 | azertyui | to put ? |
| 20:09.11 | GNUtoo-desktop | where did you put them? |
| 20:09.50 | azertyui | just a sec |
| 20:12.13 | tasslehoff | I've compiled me a rootfs.tar that I want to bundle my own /apps directory into with root as owner. Anyone got an idea how to do that? Inject files/dirs into the tar with a clever command, or maybe do something with fakeroot? |
| 20:12.28 | tasslehoff | I've been playing around, but haven't found The Way yet |
| 20:13.13 | azertyui | i just activate ipv6 |
| 20:13.25 | azertyui | how to connect over ssh on ipv6 |
| 20:13.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | tasslehoff, just packages the files |
| 20:13.39 | GNUtoo-desktop | and make the package go in the image |
| 20:16.18 | azertyui | done |
| 20:16.39 | azertyui | i put it here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013648/ |
| 20:18.12 | azertyui | where i have to put ? GNUtoo |
| 20:18.19 | GNUtoo-desktop | I already told you |
| 20:18.29 | GNUtoo-desktop | let me lookk in my logs |
| 20:18.43 | azertyui | i just activate my log |
| 20:19.18 | tasslehoff | GNUtoo-desktop: the thing is that the /apps stuff is not compiled with OE, but with the SDK I've made. |
| 20:19.29 | GNUtoo-desktop | ~/Desktop/Dreambox/opendreambox/meta-opendreambox/recipes-dreambox/mumudvb |
| 20:20.16 | azertyui | ok i remember |
| 20:20.18 | tasslehoff | I compile a rootfs and an sdk, and the other devs develop stuff with the sdk that we run on/in the rootfs. |
| 20:20.24 | azertyui | just pu it what i have to do now ? |
| 20:20.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | azertyui, add the variables like I already told you |
| 20:20.59 | GNUtoo-desktop | look here for the significations: |
| 20:21.14 | GNUtoo-desktop | or maybe |
| 20:21.19 | GNUtoo-desktop | first remove do_stage |
| 20:23.37 | GNUtoo-desktop | http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#ref-variables-glossary |
| 20:23.50 | GNUtoo-desktop | then here you have the variables and their significations |
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| 20:26.19 | GNUtoo-desktop | add the follownig in your recipe: |
| 20:26.25 | GNUtoo-desktop | inherit autotools |
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| 20:27.00 | GNUtoo-desktop | and loopup theses variables in the manual: DESCRIPTION HOMEPAGE LICENSE LIC_FILES_CHKSUM DEPENDS SRC_URI SRC_URI[md5sum] SRC_URI[sha256sum] |
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| 20:33.47 | azertyui | you are not helping so much |
| 20:37.28 | azertyui | i just delete this line and the files looking like that : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013678/ |
| 20:38.04 | khem | you need to have a task there |
| 20:38.24 | khem | probably u want to override default do_install here |
| 20:38.36 | khem | so you would do do_install (){ .... } |
| 20:38.54 | khem | lunch |
| 20:40.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | khem, hi, pong me after lunch |
| 20:41.50 | azertyui | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.04 | sorvats | hello. I am building an angstrom base-image for the em-x270. I get an error compiling mesa, which seems pretty od since it looks like libglsl.a has all these symbols the linker is complaining on. http://pastebin.com/9gS7jW7E |
| 20:43.25 | sorvats | anyone find it familiar or something? |
| 20:44.13 | azertyui | are you using beggerboard ? |
| 20:44.23 | GNUtoo-desktop | azertyui, maybe try to read some docs and come back....because you deleted the do_stage line but not the content of do_stage body |
| 20:45.20 | azertyui | docs about what ? |
| 20:46.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | about yocto |
| 20:46.26 | GNUtoo-desktop | like the doc I pasted |
| 20:46.53 | azertyui | what's for that's not solving my issue |
| 20:47.15 | azertyui | i just your help just for compiling one package |
| 20:47.21 | azertyui | only one mumudvb |
| 20:48.00 | GNUtoo-desktop | the manual have a purposes |
| 20:48.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | you need to understand basic stuff first |
| 20:48.12 | azertyui | and you are asking to read docs eetc ? |
| 20:48.20 | GNUtoo-desktop | and you're not only compiling one package |
| 20:48.25 | GNUtoo-desktop | you're making a recipe for it |
| 20:48.46 | GNUtoo-desktop | if it works you can even send a patch with your name on it etc... |
| 20:49.40 | azertyui | are you sue here i will find my paradise ? |
| 20:49.42 | azertyui | http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#ref-variables-glossary |
| 20:50.20 | GNUtoo-desktop | just read the part I told you to read |
| 20:50.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | the variables I pasted |
| 20:50.37 | GNUtoo-desktop | and also understand what a function is |
| 20:50.40 | GNUtoo-desktop | and try to think |
| 20:50.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | instead of taking what I said word per word |
| 20:50.56 | GNUtoo-desktop | for instance: |
| 20:51.00 | GNUtoo-desktop | do_stage() { |
| 20:51.05 | GNUtoo-desktop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.06 | GNUtoo-desktop | } |
| 20:51.26 | GNUtoo-desktop | when I say to delete the do_stage it means the do_stage line until the } line |
| 20:52.23 | azertyui | ok give me some more days to study about it |
| 20:52.31 | azertyui | thanks a lot |
| 20:52.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok nice |
| 20:56.19 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop no dice with a cam, unable to focus that screen even with 8Mpx :( |
| 20:56.32 | GNUtoo-desktop | hmmm |
| 20:56.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | can you increase the font |
| 20:56.48 | GNUtoo-desktop | like trough kernel fonts choosing at configure time |
| 20:57.43 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop thought about that, will be one of the next steps, actually i changed the ethernet-gadget to EEM and will see if that may respond. |
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| 20:59.25 | lautriv | one strange thing is, i see cdc_ethernet even on the old kexecboot-kernel but not on the new one . |
| 21:00.01 | GNUtoo-desktop | hmmm |
| 21:00.13 | GNUtoo-desktop | you could do that |
| 21:00.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | since you have init booting |
| 21:00.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | you could do init=/bin/myscript.sh |
| 21:00.45 | GNUtoo-desktop | that would initialize ssh |
| 21:00.48 | GNUtoo-desktop | and usbnet |
| 21:00.56 | GNUtoo-desktop | and don't forget to add a lot of debuggging |
| 21:01.02 | GNUtoo-desktop | and dump all the debugging to a file |
| 21:01.38 | lautriv | i have some lines in /etc/network/interfaces which is supposed to raise-up usb0 with static IP but still unsure about systemd |
| 21:04.18 | GNUtoo-desktop | try to get usb0 + ssh without ststend at first |
| 21:04.40 | lautriv | however it would be nice to also replace the old kexecboot but with that bunch of bugs i doubt it's any save to replace the functional one, eben it's from stoneage. |
| 21:04.53 | GNUtoo-desktop | and also note that systemd requires some kernel options such as cgroups devtmpfs etc... |
| 21:06.58 | lautriv | actually it looks like i'm the last user of a hx4700 and nobody cares about it any longer. |
| 21:14.01 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop do you know if there will come an armhf port respecting iwmmxt instead VFP ? it rumours to be planned somewhen but i assume that will take longer than PXA is of interrest. |
| 21:16.06 | lautriv | ok, no chance for Ethernet over USB, ( try to ) increase FB-font. |
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| 21:17.35 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, how is mainline support for hx4700? |
| 21:17.46 | GNUtoo-desktop | and I don't have an hx4700 btw |
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| 21:20.23 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop once, it was "THE" target bluelightning sent me patches for kernel 3.4, i found a new repo for it's WiFi (acx100) using the mac layer and supporting WEP2, someone from angstrom reported sucess but even their online-builder breaks anything..........no nthing else promises, like politicans. |
| 21:24.02 | lautriv | but there is some light at the end ...... i disabled the PXA serial because i can't access it and startup told me aborting console on ttyS0 ;) |
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| 22:04.51 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, should devtmpfs appear in fstab ? |
| 22:04.57 | lautriv | hi bluelightning |
| 22:06.03 | GNUtoo-desktop | no |
| 22:06.09 | GNUtoo-desktop | devtmpfs mount is a kernel option |
| 22:07.17 | lautriv | assumed that, just not sure if it is matching. |
| 22:09.54 | lautriv | i guess it will be the best to smash this thingie on a wall, wasting less time for nothing ........ |
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| 22:14.05 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, maybe send it to a random dev then |
| 22:14.49 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, i mentioned already i'm on it since 2.6.21 and nothing changed, |
| 22:15.16 | GNUtoo-desktop | sigh I can't help everybody at the same time |
| 22:16.05 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, i don't complain about you or anyone else but there is nothing out there just close to work. |
| 22:16.29 | GNUtoo-desktop | the kenrel boots |
| 22:16.36 | GNUtoo-desktop | just use an image with systemd |
| 22:19.15 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, the kernel boots because i made it outside of OE or angstrom and this freakin' systemd is obv. the main reason for disfunctionality. |
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| 22:20.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 22:20.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | and did my patch work? |
| 22:20.46 | bluelightning | hi lautriv |
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| 22:27.05 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, the patch is obv. something other Makefiles include by default because a plain gcc on a debian-arm box compiles a proper aligned kernel. |
| 22:28.17 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, does the patch work or not |
| 22:29.12 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, i have no use for this patch if my kernel runs already. |
| 22:30.25 | GNUtoo-desktop | so what do you want? |
| 22:30.35 | GNUtoo-desktop | you say your kernel doen't work within oe |
| 22:30.49 | GNUtoo-desktop | then I gave you a patch |
| 22:30.52 | GNUtoo-desktop | and then you say you don't need the patch.... |
| 22:31.13 | lautriv | no, i say the IMAGE from oe can't even start the services which are supposed to be started. |
| 22:33.32 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes that's another problem |
| 22:33.36 | lautriv | see, i have g_ether in /etc/modules, i have a proper config for usb0, and even then this thingie does not report ANY device on usb. |
| 22:34.00 | GNUtoo-desktop | maybe if you're very desesperate ditch systemd |
| 22:34.41 | lautriv | there is no other image without systemd |
| 22:35.13 | m4t | GNUtoo-desktop : im wondering about that exact thing right now, using sysvinit |
| 22:35.39 | m4t | realized it wont boot, because my kernel (2.6.31) doesnt have devtmpfs or cgroups (or accept4...) |
| 22:36.20 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 22:36.26 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, maybe create one |
| 22:36.31 | GNUtoo-desktop | bitbake -g is your friend |
| 22:36.36 | GNUtoo-desktop | there is also a GUI for bitbake -g |
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| 22:39.48 | lautriv | i have a bazillion of directories because of OE, went through the wiki and cared about anything with the result of "nothing works as expected". if my target had a keyboard i would reach the goal even faster with LFS or simply debootstrap a debian on it. |
| 22:40.15 | bluelightning | rubbish |
| 22:40.30 | bluelightning | (at least if you say LFS) |
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| 22:43.14 | bluelightning | GNUtoo-desktop: could I have that patch of yours again pls? |
| 22:43.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes of course |
| 22:43.49 | lautriv | bluelightning, then tell me why can't the OE-Image fire up an interfaces if it is configured proper and even the driver is built-in the kernel ( regardless of ethernet or serial ) |
| 22:44.47 | bluelightning | lautriv: is your image using systemd? |
| 22:45.11 | lautriv | yes, because all are infected with this newish crap. |
| 22:45.44 | GNUtoo-desktop | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=35f4ab25c5e2a4ad0c0cda2d4a87131930e4b8d8 |
| 22:49.25 | bluelightning | GNUtoo-desktop: thx |
| 22:49.57 | bluelightning | lautriv: well that's probably the issue... I do not use systemd with OE FWIW |
| 22:51.03 | lautriv | bluelightning, i'm sure that <censored> is the issue, unfortunately my receipes don't care |
| 22:52.47 | bluelightning | I'm not sure I understand what you mean |
| 22:54.15 | GNUtoo-desktop | bluelightning, bitbake xfce-nm-image |
| 22:54.19 | GNUtoo-desktop | it pulls systemd |
| 22:54.23 | GNUtoo-desktop | hence his concern |
| 22:54.32 | GNUtoo-desktop | and same for a lot of images |
| 22:54.34 | Crofton|work | identify what pull sin systemd |
| 22:54.38 | bluelightning | right |
| 22:54.46 | GNUtoo-desktop | but I told him already how to remove the deps |
| 22:54.52 | GNUtoo-desktop | there is -g |
| 22:54.58 | GNUtoo-desktop | and a graphical GUI to -g too |
| 22:55.01 | bluelightning | and until someone spends time splitting it out properly nothing is going to change |
| 22:55.09 | GNUtoo-desktop | I just don't remember the command for the graphical GUI |
| 22:55.11 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes I know |
| 22:55.24 | bluelightning | we're all very capable of complaining about it but not so much at doing stuff about it... |
| 22:56.04 | GNUtoo-desktop | I really don't understand why lautriv is stuck, he has all the good pointers to succeed |
| 22:59.44 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, the way OE is made up drives me crazy, it is loosing sense by speading partial configs all over and having fragments of receipes around. why don't you just have some config.d within a series of filess appended in order like 000-base.conf 001-machine.cond 002.addons and so forth like any other sane thing ? |
| 23:00.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes oe-core nearly killed some projects that couldn't made the switch or lost many people/energy in the switch |
| 23:02.07 | bluelightning | lautriv: we tried it with everything munged into one giant blob... that wasn't the easiest thing to maintain either |
| 23:02.23 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes many breakages |
| 23:03.37 | GNUtoo-desktop | however please do not ask too much to people submitting bugfixes like JaMa for instance |
| 23:03.39 | GNUtoo-desktop | else they quit |
| 23:04.41 | lautriv | bluelightning, a big blob becomes also uncomfortable but modules in order are known to be maintainable, many programs made for big environment use this with success, look at projects from ISC (dhcp,bind) or openLDAP, MIT Kerberos........all belong to a modular config in ONE directory. |
| 23:05.06 | bluelightning | lautriv: er, they aren't even remotely like our project |
| 23:05.32 | bluelightning | they are not distro-building tools where people want to pick and choose and patch and customise all in their own different way |
| 23:05.33 | GNUtoo-desktop | note that some support both |
| 23:05.41 | GNUtoo-desktop | like apache for instance |
| 23:07.11 | lautriv | yes, apache supports both but there is no /must/have/another/dir/without/any/special/reason/beside/another/existing/which/is/actually/online |
| 23:07.41 | GNUtoo-desktop | also: |
| 23:07.55 | GNUtoo-desktop | I heard that intel wanted to have a MID distro |
| 23:08.07 | GNUtoo-desktop | so they paid some people to modify monolithic existing distro |
| 23:08.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | this ended up in frankestein hacks |
| 23:08.23 | GNUtoo-desktop | so they did their own distro |
| 23:08.42 | GNUtoo-desktop | I don't remember where I saw that tough so it can be wrong |
| 23:08.52 | GNUtoo-desktop | s/MID/netbooks/ |
| 23:08.59 | bluelightning | GNUtoo-desktop: I'm not sure if that specific story is accurate but everyone does that in the embedded industry, that's the problem |
| 23:10.58 | GNUtoo-desktop | only wondered if there was a smoother migration patch than throwing everything away and restarting from scratch |
| 23:11.02 | GNUtoo-desktop | hi khem |
| 23:15.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | because the migration isn't even finished yet |
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| 23:15.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | I mean many recipes remains unmigrated |
| 23:17.17 | lautriv | GNUtoo-desktop, you mean the mess will grow :P |
| 23:17.39 | GNUtoo-desktop | no |
| 23:17.43 | GNUtoo-desktop | I mean that I lack many recipes |
| 23:17.55 | GNUtoo-desktop | like games for instance |
| 23:18.03 | bluelightning | GNUtoo-desktop: what do you lack specifically? |
| 23:18.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | and since migration ate up so much time we have other things to care about |
| 23:18.15 | bluelightning | GNUtoo-desktop: I wonder if we can put up a list on the wiki |
| 23:18.29 | GNUtoo-desktop | the thing I most want is to fix firefox |
| 23:18.37 | GNUtoo-desktop | and I need khem for that |
| 23:18.41 | GNUtoo-desktop | then it's to fix chromium |
| 23:18.57 | GNUtoo-desktop | then I'll try to add some games to meta-games |
| 23:19.05 | GNUtoo-desktop | or to do a meta-freedom |
| 23:19.09 | GNUtoo-desktop | all if the time permit |
| 23:19.20 | bluelightning | meta-freedom ?? |
| 23:19.34 | bluelightning | is that like meta-worldpeace? |
| 23:19.38 | bluelightning | ;) |
| 23:19.46 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes I don't want proprietary stuff like the sgx to come into my images or feeds |
| 23:19.57 | GNUtoo-desktop | for instance if I use meta-kde I fear that it would happend |
| 23:20.00 | GNUtoo-desktop | *happen |
| 23:20.44 | bluelightning | GNUtoo-desktop: hmm, how are you going to enforce that? |
| 23:21.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | there are LICENSES stuff |
| 23:21.12 | lautriv | if you are on the way, create also meta-oxymoron |
| 23:21.14 | GNUtoo-desktop | like exclude licenses |
| 23:21.20 | GNUtoo-desktop | but I want to do the countrary |
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| 23:21.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | like include only a whitelist of license |
| 23:21.34 | GNUtoo-desktop | so I would do a bbclass |
| 23:21.44 | GNUtoo-desktop | and inherit it in my local.conf |
| 23:22.10 | bluelightning | generally, that's what the LICENSE_FLAGS and INCOMPATIBLE_LICENSE mechanisms are for |
| 23:22.16 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes |
| 23:22.19 | bluelightning | I guess you could treat it like a distro layer and set those |
| 23:22.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | it's for excluding GPLv3 and such |
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| 23:22.36 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 23:22.42 | bluelightning | lautriv: if you're only going to heckle and be a nuisance can you please do that elsewhere |
| 23:23.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, the problem is that free software is not a toy anymore |
| 23:23.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | for instance take the linux kenrel, now it became very hard |
| 23:23.36 | GNUtoo-desktop | but in another hand it does everything |
| 23:23.42 | lautriv | bluelightning, i'm on the way out......just laughing about meta-kde if the image won't even boot :P |
| 23:23.51 | GNUtoo-desktop | from power management to professional audio |
| 23:24.32 | bluelightning | lautriv: you understand that a bunch of this stuff is on the bleeding edge, right? you shouldn't expect a fully finished product |
| 23:24.52 | GNUtoo-desktop | hmmm |
| 23:25.07 | GNUtoo-desktop | in an other hand we have a hard time to stabilize the bleeding edge in SHR |
| 23:25.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | we sync to the feeds only when it's OK |
| 23:25.44 | GNUtoo-desktop | but then JaMa has limited space |
| 23:25.54 | GNUtoo-desktop | and has to sync anyway else he get out of space |
| 23:27.10 | lautriv | bluelightning, i run debian sid on all my nodes which is bleeding-edge, however it can initiate a connection.................wish you much luck with a proper realisation, maybe i'll come back in a year or better 5. |
| 23:27.50 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, in another hand I gave you all the necessary pointers |
| 23:27.54 | bluelightning | lautriv: we're more than willing to help, but snarkiness is not the way to encourage us to be helpful really |
| 23:28.16 | GNUtoo-desktop | lautriv, let's take the example of the linux kernel: |
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| 23:28.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | ah he's gone |
| 23:28.44 | bluelightning | can't say I'm especially sorry |
| 23:29.34 | GNUtoo-desktop | I gave him all the pointers |
| 23:41.51 | khem | GNUtoo-desktop: I am around now |
| 23:42.42 | GNUtoo-desktop | khem, nice thanks a lot |
| 23:42.54 | GNUtoo-desktop | denzil binaries work perfectly |
| 23:43.48 | khem | GNUtoo-desktop: ok, denzil means oe-core+meta-oe as well right ? |
| 23:44.45 | GNUtoo-desktop | hmmm not sure |
| 23:44.52 | khem | so essentially you are using gcc 4.6+ linaro patches there |
| 23:44.58 | khem | its SHR you said isnt it |
| 23:45.00 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes I think so |
| 23:45.03 | khem | SHR uses meta-oe I guess |
| 23:45.06 | GNUtoo-desktop | let me power on my work laptop |
| 23:45.07 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes |
| 23:45.14 | khem | so my assertion is correct I think |
| 23:45.22 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 23:45.33 | khem | so essentially the problem boils down to gcc 4.7 here I thin |
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| 23:46.52 | khem | hmmm |
| 23:47.12 | khem | I think we need to debug it really I dont see any other way |
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| 23:47.43 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 23:47.48 | GNUtoo-desktop | what should I do now then? |
| 23:48.21 | m4t | hi khem , ltns |
| 23:49.21 | GNUtoo-desktop | khem, btw did you see my suggestion? |
| 23:50.08 | khem | btw. did you try to pass -mno-unaligned-access |
| 23:50.20 | khem | m4t: hello |
| 23:50.39 | khem | GNUtoo-desktop: no I did not see your suggestion |
| 23:50.55 | GNUtoo-desktop | 1)I use meta-oe |
| 23:51.01 | khem | ok |
| 23:51.05 | GNUtoo-desktop | 2)I've gcc 4.5.4 it seems |
| 23:51.22 | khem | hmm you should not |
| 23:51.28 | GNUtoo-desktop | 3) suggestion: do you have kernel sources off hand? |
| 23:51.34 | khem | preferred version is still 4.7 in master |
| 23:51.42 | khem | GNUtoo-desktop: yes I do |
| 23:51.49 | GNUtoo-desktop | 5d1204582e7bc0682fb019e5666bd62cc27260b4 |
| 23:51.56 | GNUtoo-desktop | look at that commit |
| 23:52.12 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes ericben told me to use no distro.... |
| 23:52.31 | GNUtoo-desktop | and to put some stuff in local.conf instead to handle that |
| 23:53.57 | khem | that commit should not impact your firefox problem |
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| 23:54.14 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 23:54.21 | khem | ok where do you stand with firefox now |
| 23:54.25 | GNUtoo-desktop | because it spoke about linker and trampoline etc.... |
| 23:54.33 | khem | is it still dying before main ? |
| 23:54.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | no |
| 23:54.41 | khem | yes I know :) |
| 23:54.43 | GNUtoo-desktop | that was for chromium |
| 23:54.47 | khem | but those are different |
| 23:54.49 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 23:55.02 | khem | ok both firefox and chromium do not work is that right ? |
| 23:55.20 | GNUtoo-desktop | firefox: illegal instruction in javascript trampoline stuff |
| 23:55.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | after staarting |
| 23:55.38 | GNUtoo-desktop | if I add --safe=mode that disabnles javascript it works |
| 23:55.49 | GNUtoo-desktop | chromium: segfault in _init() |
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| 23:58.05 | khem | GNUtoo-desktop: ok, and you verified both work ok with denzil |
| 23:58.12 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes |
| 23:58.15 | GNUtoo-desktop | the one I built work |
| 23:58.37 | khem | GNUtoo-desktop: ok and even when you disable ld-is-gold on master it segfaults |
| 23:58.42 | GNUtoo-desktop | with my strange gcc 4.5.4 config.... |
| 23:58.45 | GNUtoo-desktop | yes |
| 23:58.50 | khem | hmmm |
| 23:59.00 | khem | can you get rid of 4.5.4 ? |
| 23:59.10 | khem | how does this creep in into master ? |
| 23:59.31 | khem | I would only be interested if you have the issues with 4.7 |
| 23:59.58 | GNUtoo-desktop | what should I do to select the gcc you want |