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| 03:11.01 | pt | Hi |
| 03:11.16 | pt | have one doubt |
| 03:12.32 | pt | want to build a module for two hardware(two machine variable), will <bitbake-file>_<machine-name>.bb |
| 03:12.35 | pt | work |
| 03:12.36 | pt | ? |
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| 04:04.40 | kergoth | pt: its impossible ot target multiple machines in a single build. what you name the recipes really doesn't matter as long as you set COMPATIBLE_MACHINE inthe recipoe so bitbake knows which machines its compatible with |
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| 04:42.40 | pt | thanks for the info kergoth |
| 04:43.51 | pt | when i give <bitbake-file>_<anything>.bb, what exactly 'anything' is interpreted by bitbake? |
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| 04:54.34 | pt | <kergoth> and i do not want for single build, just want to to keep the bitbake file in the build system for multiple mchines |
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| 05:36.37 | kergoth | _ is the separator between recipe name and version |
| 05:43.20 | pt | ok, now if for both the machines versions are same. then if i specify _<machine> will it take? |
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| 05:47.02 | kergoth | i dont understand the question |
| 05:47.08 | kergoth | that would set <machine> as the version |
| 05:47.16 | kergoth | which is unlikely to be what you want |
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| 07:59.07 | mckoan | good morning |
| 07:59.19 | kroon | morning |
| 08:03.20 | woglinde | gm |
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| 08:08.27 | ant_work | gm |
| 08:08.50 | ant_work | anybody having python crashes about "relocatable_binaries_preprocess"? |
| 08:09.00 | ant_work | I have an old checkout so I don't see that |
| 08:11.43 | woglinde | hi ant |
| 08:11.49 | ant_work | morgen |
| 08:12.29 | ant_work | jeez, we have kernel hackers blocked by this new python error :/ |
| 08:12.40 | woglinde | lol |
| 08:12.51 | ant_work | <linusw__> ant_work: it dies in /meta/recipes-devtools/quilt/quilt-native_0.61.bb |
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| 08:13.42 | woglinde | o.O |
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| 08:19.57 | koen | ant_work: try removing cache/bb_codeparser.dat* |
| 08:20.09 | koen | that tends to fix weird python errors most of the time |
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| 08:26.41 | ant_work | slaps stupid G*ail deciding to attach the html |
| 08:50.20 | ant_work | got second email rejected..coffee |
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| 09:08.33 | koen | ant_work: our internal gmail setup seems to silently disapear emails with large picture attachments |
| 09:08.56 | koen | so it takes a few tries when sending a scanned document |
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| 09:12.51 | ant_work | finally on 3rd try ... |
| 09:13.35 | ant_work | iirc there was long ago a switch to disable rich text and stuff |
| 09:13.45 | ant_work | a global one |
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| 09:49.08 | bluelightning_ | morning all |
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| 09:53.58 | mckoan | hi bluelightning, all |
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| 10:09.52 | kroon | Which hotell were you OE guys staying at during FOSDEM ? |
| 10:11.30 | kroon | Saint Nicolas ? |
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| 10:15.18 | rburton | is anyone aware of a BSP for the marvel kirkwood SoC? |
| 10:15.23 | rburton | thinks, at least |
| 10:15.40 | rburton | my synology NAS has something like that inside and i need more software on it |
| 10:27.57 | bluelightning | rburton: meta-kirkwood? |
| 10:28.50 | bluelightning | kroon: there's normally a bunch of folks staying there |
| 10:29.15 | bluelightning | kroon: I'm staying at NH Stephanie, but that's not as close to the centre of town |
| 10:30.01 | koen | it's always a trade off |
| 10:30.01 | kroon | bluelightning, ok |
| 10:30.07 | koen | close to center or close to fosdem |
| 10:33.01 | mckoan | kroon: I always staid at Ibis off grand place |
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| 10:35.09 | bluelightning | mckoan: are you coming this year? |
| 10:35.40 | rburton | bluelightning: not in the layer index so it doesn't exist ;) |
| 10:35.51 | rburton | (google'd, thanks) |
| 10:35.54 | bluelightning | hmm, I thought it was at one point... |
| 10:35.57 | mckoan | bluelightning: I have always been at Ibis, no unfortunately not this year |
| 10:36.37 | mckoan | bluelightning: since a couple of years now invest all on ELCE |
| 10:36.48 | bluelightning | mckoan: ah ok, fair enough |
| 10:37.03 | rburton | bluelightning: i want to build packages to sit alongside the existing OS, so i presume i need to extract the toolchain they use |
| 10:37.08 | mckoan | ELCE is more embedded-oriented |
| 10:41.57 | bluelightning | rburton: probably |
| 10:42.12 | bluelightning | mckoan: it is; I guess FOSDEM just happens to attract a lot of OE folks |
| 10:42.33 | bluelightning | I looked at the list of talks for this year, to be honest there wasn't much that caught my eye |
| 10:42.40 | koen | pre-yocto OE was very european centric |
| 10:43.08 | koen | now we have more asian and portlandian developers |
| 10:43.11 | bluelightning | koen: well, I still never get to any of the US conferences FWIW... |
| 10:43.33 | mckoan | koen: LOL |
| 10:43.38 | bluelightning | so ELCE and FOSDEM are my opportunities to talk to people in person |
| 10:43.53 | koen | looks like no ELC US for me this year |
| 10:44.10 | koen | unless I submit a talk today *and* get budget approval |
| 10:44.40 | mckoan | koen: what a pity, ELC US is in a nice place and time this year |
| 10:45.00 | koen | I know |
| 10:45.47 | mckoan | koen: but you're lucky you can tavel for Linaro conf ;-) |
| 10:45.54 | mckoan | s/tavel/travel |
| 10:46.05 | koen | I was tempted to attend ELC on my personal dime |
| 10:46.13 | koen | but that would still need a presentation |
| 10:46.21 | koen | mckoan: yes, Macao in 5 weeks from now :) |
| 10:46.48 | koen | and redwood shores in september, which is a bit meh |
| 10:46.55 | koen | ELC was there a few years ago |
| 10:47.14 | koen | thanks to dvhart I know where to get a decent steak there, though |
| 10:48.33 | koen | hmmm |
| 10:48.50 | koen | with tmpfs + sstate the most time is now spent in pulling down all layer repos |
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| 10:59.25 | pb_ | hi all |
| 11:02.44 | bluelightning | hi pb_ |
| 11:10.03 | pb_ | morning bluelightning |
| 11:14.22 | Noor | Hello all |
| 11:14.56 | Noor | I remember that we added a fix that whenever bison is added flex is also added but I forgot where we added that change |
| 11:15.05 | Noor | Can somebody point me on it |
| 11:18.45 | jackmitchell | hmm, I'd like to go to a couple of the Valgrind/GDB sessions, and maybe troll a couple of the Mozilla ones; but the only embedded one is Pauls talk which stands out |
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| 11:20.40 | bluelightning | jackmitchell: actually I was looking for Paul's talk but either I'm blind or it really isn't showing up in the FOSDEM Android app |
| 11:21.03 | jackmitchell | bluelightning: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/underwater_acoustics_to_opkg/ |
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| 11:22.27 | rburton | now that's a cool deployment of OE |
| 11:23.16 | bluelightning | jackmitchell: aha, found it in the app too - thanks |
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| 11:34.12 | koen | otavio: why does meta-fsl-arm/conf/machine/include/imx-base.inc contain DISTRO settings? |
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| 12:16.13 | otavio | koen: it does not ... |
| 12:16.22 | otavio | koen: what do you consider being DISTRO |
| 12:20.57 | woglinde | hi pb |
| 12:21.28 | pb_ | hi woglinde |
| 12:21.29 | woglinde | bluelightning btw. where is our booth located? |
| 12:24.20 | bluelightning | woglinde: mostly the same place we always are - but we're slightly to the left of the main doors this year (as you enter through them) |
| 12:25.25 | bluelightning | we have two tables |
| 12:25.34 | woglinde | okay |
| 12:25.39 | bluelightning | (the AW building, for others) |
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| 12:50.06 | pb_ | hi zecke |
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| 13:19.34 | koen | otavio: it selects hardfloat, which is a DISTRO setting |
| 13:19.47 | koen | otavio: especially since OE-core default is softfp |
| 13:24.30 | koen | otavio: and it's more annoying than than |
| 13:24.44 | koen | otavio: it's selecting cortexa9hf instead of armv7ahf |
| 13:24.55 | koen | so if I do: |
| 13:25.02 | koen | MACHINE=something bitbake bash |
| 13:25.04 | koen | and then |
| 13:25.13 | koen | MACHINE=wandboard bitbake bash |
| 13:25.28 | koen | I get bash_armv7ah.ipk and bash_cortexa9hf.ipk |
| 13:25.55 | koen | now, if I were using OE-core defaults it will break even worse |
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| 13:49.58 | woglinde | hm intressting the next "Now we close berlios really mail" |
| 13:50.06 | koen | again? |
| 13:50.30 | woglinde | yes april 2014 now |
| 13:54.14 | bluelightning | I guess we've moved pretty much all of bitbake off there, fortunately |
| 13:54.28 | woglinde | bl yes |
| 13:57.55 | Crofton|work | I need to go through the freescale bsps |
| 13:58.10 | Crofton|work | I've noticed some fur when I try setting tune in local.conf |
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| 14:00.33 | Crofton|work | bluelightning, I have an odroid-xu + lcd panel that runs direct fb examples |
| 14:00.43 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: cool |
| 14:01.02 | Crofton|work | somewhat less than I wanted, but x11 is pissing me off |
| 14:01.45 | Crofton|work | hmm, a clue |
| 14:01.57 | koen | red harry! |
| 14:02.03 | Crofton|work | no fb console either, which is annoying |
| 14:02.41 | Crofton|work | I can rotate the skull thing |
| 14:07.04 | woglinde | crofton wayland |
| 14:13.27 | otavio | koen: it chooses the default as hardfp as is the advised by FSL for MX6. The cortexa9hf may be a problem indeed. But since the machine uses the tune shouldn't it be the default? |
| 14:13.45 | koen | no |
| 14:13.58 | koen | floating point ABI is a distro choice |
| 14:14.53 | koen | if you use .deb as OE output you're royally screwed when using fsl machines and others |
| 14:15.18 | otavio | koen: well I think it is an personal opinion in this case as some machines may not support one or another float point |
| 14:15.43 | koen | bullshit |
| 14:15.48 | koen | the machines support anything |
| 14:15.48 | otavio | koen: I wouldn't be surprise if MX6 in future drops softfp and FSL tests essentially hardfp |
| 14:15.55 | otavio | koen: no |
| 14:16.01 | otavio | koen: the closed drivers |
| 14:16.02 | koen | that's like saying "my x86_64 machine cannot run 32 bit code" |
| 14:16.18 | otavio | koen: sorry but I insist you are wrong. |
| 14:16.24 | pb_ | otavio: fsl have done some dumb things in their time, but I don't think even they will design a cpu with no integer registers. |
| 14:16.40 | koen | otavio: have a look at meta-ti, they have a warning about hardfp binary only stuff in their layer |
| 14:16.48 | otavio | koen: MX53 for example does not have AMD GPU binaries in hardfp |
| 14:16.52 | koen | (ignore how crap meta-ti is in general) |
| 14:17.10 | koen | otavio: so? |
| 14:17.14 | koen | it's still a distro choice |
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| 14:18.11 | otavio | koen: I think the machine can set the default |
| 14:19.08 | otavio | koen: you are just assuming softfp is a better default |
| 14:19.22 | otavio | koen: if I allow the distro to override it I think it is fine |
| 14:19.23 | koen | I'm saying that is has been a distro choice since OE started |
| 14:19.28 | koen | and that the OE default is softfp |
| 14:19.58 | koen | and a MACHINE.conf poking at DISTRO vars is bad |
| 14:20.02 | otavio | koen: at that time hardfp was not that common, I think ... so it is natural |
| 14:20.07 | koen | heh |
| 14:20.25 | koen | when I started with OE hardfpa was standard for familiar |
| 14:20.28 | koen | 10 years ago |
| 14:20.38 | koen | openzaurus used soft |
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| 14:21.16 | koen | there was a discussion about meta-allwinner doing the same a few months ago |
| 14:21.28 | koen | they changed it to conform to OE |
| 14:21.39 | koen | so meta-fsl-arm is the lone BSP wanting to be special and breaking stuff |
| 14:21.56 | koen | no matter what evil binary package is used as excuse |
| 14:22.25 | otavio | I won't decide anything right now. I think it'd be good to start a discussion about it in our mailing list |
| 14:22.32 | otavio | so we can discuss it there |
| 14:22.48 | otavio | for me, it doesn't matter as I can do it in my distro |
| 14:23.37 | koen | so let me come at the problem from a different angle |
| 14:23.48 | koen | angstrom defaults to hardfloat for cortexa8 and newer |
| 14:23.55 | koen | https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-angstrom/blob/master/conf/distro/include/arm-defaults.inc |
| 14:24.06 | koen | but building for meta-fsl-arm A9 machines breaks |
| 14:24.17 | koen | because the package arch is suddenly different |
| 14:24.30 | koen | so even for hardfp distros you do the wrong thing |
| 14:35.05 | otavio | koen: so what you would suggest to solve it? |
| 14:35.10 | otavio | brb, lunch... |
| 14:37.26 | koen | remove it from the .inc, add a note in the README and steal the meta-ti warning from their 3d recipes |
| 14:37.37 | koen | (and fix the warning to stay quiet when actually using hardfp) |
| 14:38.02 | koen | changing the OE default is different discussion |
| 14:38.20 | koen | since changing the default would only mask things like this |
| 14:39.38 | Crofton|work | otavio, I may have noticed what koen is talking about and will check. But I am off to FOSDEM now, and working on the road next week |
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| 15:00.01 | jackmitchell | koen: is that to say, if I added meta-beagleboard in it's current form, then I would get armv7a, so it would be arguably better to set my default tune to cortexa8hf-neon? |
| 15:00.14 | jackmitchell | if I was intending of making use of neon and hf |
| 15:00.25 | jackmitchell | and building for beaglebone |
| 15:00.50 | koen | jackmitchell: the tune is about calling conventions |
| 15:01.02 | koen | there's no real world performance difference between the two |
| 15:01.17 | koen | iirc povray is 10-15% faster, that's it |
| 15:01.23 | jackmitchell | ok, that was how I had understood it in the past |
| 15:01.47 | koen | jackmitchell: copy https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-angstrom/blob/master/conf/distro/include/arm-defaults.inc and use that in your DISTRO.conf |
| 15:01.59 | koen | that will set every armv7 board to hf |
| 15:02.18 | koen | unless it thinks it's a princess like meta-fsl-arm boards |
| 15:02.46 | jackmitchell | koen: yeah, that was what I was going off; I have been building default all this time; and recently I was having trouble with real-time audio encoding, and this might have helped a lot... |
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| 15:04.43 | ant_work | koen: I think we need a refresh-patch for dracut, maybe the first version was committed |
| 15:05.03 | koen | ant_work: including all my patches :) |
| 15:05.07 | ant_work | you are ahead by 2 patches isn't? |
| 15:05.27 | woglinde | throws the tegra2 into round |
| 15:05.52 | koen | jackmitchell: maybe 5-10% improvement with your audio stuff |
| 15:06.05 | koen | jackmitchell: the main problem is that hardfp is incompatible with everything else |
| 15:06.36 | jackmitchell | koen: ah ok, not so mind blowing then; we got it to work but it was a constant 95%ish usages |
| 15:07.20 | koen | there was an unfortunate article written by debian users and of course a series of misguided posts on phoronix |
| 15:07.38 | koen | the article compared software emulation to using the vfp+neon |
| 15:07.45 | koen | geee, using the hw is faster |
| 15:07.53 | koen | but they claimed it was due to 'hardfp' |
| 15:08.05 | koen | and phoronix made a similar mistake |
| 15:08.26 | koen | so you can't google for this problem |
| 15:08.45 | jackmitchell | ok, and armv7a is neon enabled? I really need to do more reading around this |
| 15:09.03 | jackmitchell | or do I need to use a -neon tune to enable neon? |
| 15:09.04 | koen | yes |
| 15:09.12 | koen | except for tegra1 and marvell chips |
| 15:09.13 | jackmitchell | ok; not confusing at all |
| 15:09.21 | koen | and due to marvell ubuntu disables neon by default |
| 15:09.37 | jackmitchell | right, hence the duff benchmarks etc |
| 15:09.45 | koen | so if you lib has no runtime neon checks, no neon for you on big boy distros |
| 15:10.28 | rburton | koen: i think you picked the wrong guy to do the oe/yocto correction post on :) |
| 15:10.29 | jackmitchell | ok, I ended up using opus-codec which I'm sure will have neon checks in anyway, seeing as though it is aimed specifically at that use case |
| 15:10.31 | jackmitchell | http://opus-codec.org/ |
| 15:10.48 | jackmitchell | it turned out to be pretty good actually |
| 15:10.49 | koen | rburton: yeah, I didn't notice it was lpapp :/ |
| 15:11.16 | koen | jackmitchell: runtime checks are hard to do on arm due to design issues |
| 15:11.30 | koen | jackmitchell: but we don't care, since we use OE :) |
| 15:11.39 | koen | sorry |
| 15:11.43 | jackmitchell | all praise OE |
| 15:11.46 | koen | since we run yocto on our devices |
| 15:11.51 | koen | I need to get it straight |
| 15:14.58 | ant_work | rburton: so OT...where would you add xinput-calibrator ? |
| 15:15.19 | rburton | ant_work: oh yeah, need to read that :) |
| 15:15.44 | ant_work | is on my todo list...that hdd is dying ;) |
| 15:17.21 | koen | there, princess bride reference used |
| 15:21.02 | ant_work | koen: do you think we should reserve some mtd space for root as default (ubifs/jffs2)? |
| 15:21.05 | XorA | inconceivable |
| 15:21.48 | koen | ant_work: I'm missing the context here |
| 15:24.16 | ant_work | mkfs.ubifs could use "-R, --reserved=SIZE how much space should be reserved for the super-user\n" |
| 15:25.56 | XorA | ant_work: 5% of rootfs or 1MB whichever is bigger |
| 15:26.09 | koen | what xora said |
| 15:26.22 | XorA | its just a guy feeling |
| 15:26.24 | XorA | gut |
| 15:33.31 | ant_work | jffs2 decides at mount with rp_size= |
| 15:40.17 | ant_work | default opt *= 1024; (Kb) |
| 15:46.17 | JaMa | koen: +1 for 10^24 :) |
| 15:49.15 | rburton | ant_work: adding xinputcalibrator to the xserver seems reasonable if the machine config says it has one |
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| 16:07.12 | otavio | is back |
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| 16:10.55 | otavio | koen: ok, I am here again ... sorry ... was out for lunch ... |
| 16:11.01 | otavio | koen: so back to the topic |
| 16:11.31 | otavio | koen: I am not sure I agree about softfpxhardfp setting. About tune settings I do |
| 16:12.47 | otavio | koen: from your description in the inc. It seems mx53 for example will not have GPU working in angstrom |
| 16:12.57 | otavio | koen: as it works only in soft-fp |
| 16:18.15 | rburton | does angstrom etc have any special tooling to produce its public package feeds, or is it just a rsync of the deploy to something served by apache? |
| 16:23.13 | koen | rburton: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-angstrom/blob/master/contrib/sort.sh |
| 16:23.28 | koen | rburton: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-angstrom/blob/master/recipes-angstrom/meta/upload-packages.bb |
| 16:23.31 | rburton | thanks koen |
| 16:23.57 | koen | PRSERV fixed most of the problems that tries to work around |
| 16:24.15 | koen | it won't upload or sort duplicate packages |
| 16:24.27 | koen | you can guess why I used to be so adamant about PR bumps :) |
| 16:26.09 | rburton | oh yeah, without a PR bump feeds are pretty useless |
| 16:28.10 | koen | on the autobuilder I apply a patch that uploads to an internal server so I can try things out before it gets synced to the main feeds |
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| 16:59.38 | khem` | koen: how do we manage to maintain the pr server database |
| 16:59.51 | khem` | since that will be important with pr server |
| 17:07.34 | Crofton|work | I would like to complain about the tool used to eject nano sims from the Nexus 5 |
| 17:09.21 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: This is not a distro or machine support channel ;p |
| 17:09.48 | hrw | Crofton|work: nexus5 uses microsim |
| 17:09.58 | hrw | bluelightning: +1 |
| 17:10.06 | Crofton|work | I will compplina less, I put it in a safe place |
| 17:10.16 | bluelightning | I'm just kidding ;) |
| 17:10.35 | hrw | Crofton|work: but thanks for reminding. I have to pack that tool and charge my Nokia 101 |
| 17:13.50 | khem` | is compiling/installing KDE framework 5 today |
| 17:15.49 | Crofton|work | any tips on a getting a sim that will work in Brussles and Paris? |
| 17:16.09 | Crofton|work | Also, if you will be at FOSDEM, please volunteer at the Stand |
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| 17:24.01 | jackmitchell | Crofton|work: I'm sure I'll be able to lend at hand at times; I just need to figure out a schedule with regards to what talks I would like to see |
| 17:24.16 | Crofton|work | jackmitchell, we all have the same issu e :) |
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| 17:24.24 | Crofton|work | and I have to help with the sdr track on Sunday |
| 17:24.31 | chouimat | morning |
| 17:24.43 | Crofton|work | I want to make sure that a few people do not end up spending the entire time there |
| 17:24.59 | Crofton|work | at the very least supplying them with food and beverages is welcome |
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| 17:25.14 | onoffon | should once take a pilgrimage to FOSDEM |
| 17:26.58 | jackmitchell | I would imagine I can help Sunday morning and most of Sat, but I'll have a chat with everyone once we're there; I'll be getting in at around 4pm on Friday |
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| 17:38.28 | kroon | Does one wear a nametag at FOSDEM ? |
| 17:38.53 | kroon | Cause I havent the slightest idea of what anyone in #oe looks like.. |
| 17:39.56 | bluelightning | kroon: typically no... but just come up to the OE booth and say hi :) |
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| 17:42.11 | kroon | Will do :) |
| 17:42.42 | khem` | I wonder if there is enough interest in having clang as an alternative to gcc for cross compiler in OE |
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| 17:43.07 | bluelightning | khem`: I think someone was talking about that recently |
| 17:43.12 | khem` | now that C runtime and C++ runtime are available clang/llvm suite seems to be complete |
| 17:43.14 | bluelightning | on the mailing list |
| 17:43.31 | khem` | I have been keeping it on my back burner |
| 17:43.39 | khem` | its quite amount of work |
| 17:44.02 | khem` | it would be ideal that it coexisted with gcc |
| 17:44.10 | pb_ | kroon: you can ask images.google.com for help :-} |
| 17:44.12 | khem` | in SDK e.g. |
| 17:48.28 | kroon | pb_, nah :-D think ill just ask around |
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| 17:49.00 | kroon | zibri, hey, are you going to Brussel ? |
| 17:49.13 | bluelightning | I suppose I could find one of my old conference badges and wear that |
| 17:49.24 | bluelightning | I think that's what hrw does sometimes... |
| 17:49.43 | pb_ | bluelightning: he wears your old badges? what a prankster. |
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| 17:49.55 | bluelightning | pb_: heh, but who would want to be me? ;) |
| 17:50.22 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:51.06 | pb_ | yeah, I guess the bigger risk is that you'd arrive at the oe stand and there would be 20 people there all wearing badges saying "Richard Purdie". |
| 17:51.39 | bluelightning | heh |
| 17:52.32 | pb_ | futile, of course, unless they could also do the requisite northern accent |
| 17:56.37 | khem` | and carry a worried look ;) |
| 17:58.13 | Crofton|work | I think RP broke the fetcher laast time he was at FOSDEM |
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| 18:03.08 | bluelightning | I don't think he's been while I've been there |
| 18:04.21 | pb_ | ah, obviously wise to the possibility of impersonators |
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| 18:55.35 | zibri | kroon: no, unfortunately no... i did make plans to attend, but then other things got in the way :( |
| 18:55.50 | zibri | kroon: you? |
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| 20:10.15 | kroon | zibri, ah ok, too bad |
| 20:11.02 | kroon | zibri, yes, flying down there on friday |
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