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| 07:20.51 | mago_ | what does people in here use to deploy OE to devices in a production facility? |
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| 07:50.29 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 07:59.28 | woglinde | hi mckoan |
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| 08:46.05 | ant_work | anarsoul: gm |
| 08:46.34 | ant_work | tried to test the calibration but not yet there... |
| 08:46.48 | ant_work | OOM (udevadm) |
| 08:47.18 | anarsoul | good morning, ant_work |
| 08:47.59 | anarsoul | ant_work: 32mb ram? |
| 08:48.08 | ant_work | no, 64 |
| 08:48.13 | anarsoul | hmmm |
| 08:48.37 | anarsoul | make sure that CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS is disabled in kernel |
| 08:48.57 | ant_work | I have two suspects: 1) meta-oe may be adding smthg bad |
| 08:49.18 | ant_work | 2) recent rework of udev recipes / compatibilty for systemd and sysvinit |
| 08:49.19 | anarsoul | 2month-old build works ok on 64mb |
| 08:49.38 | ant_work | core-* images built with oe-core only did boot ok |
| 08:49.52 | ant_work | couple of weeks ago |
| 08:50.13 | anarsoul | anyway, check for CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS |
| 08:50.29 | ant_work | it's funny how we battle wit the damned udev cache since years :/ |
| 08:50.55 | ant_work | anarsoul: kernel has not changed, even I've removed stuff recentl |
| 08:51.21 | anarsoul | ant_work: just check, those legacy PTYs eat too much space in tmpfs |
| 08:51.40 | anarsoul | with this config enabled I'm not able to boot oe rootfs on rx1950 (32mb ram) |
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| 08:53.27 | ant_work | anarsoul: changes in oe-core 9 days ago...hmmm |
| 08:56.43 | anarsoul | ant_work: I still suggest you to check if CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS is disabled. |
| 08:57.04 | ant_work | it is not explicitely enabled |
| 08:57.34 | anarsoul | could you share your rootfs? |
| 08:58.01 | ant_work | yes but later, is on another machine |
| 08:58.16 | ant_work | for armv4/collie you mean? |
| 08:58.53 | ant_work | I'm looking now at the recent commits playing withudevadm/udev_cache |
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| 09:11.45 | ant_work | anarsoul: heh..like in 2011 http://infobot.rikers.org/%23oe/20110518.html.gz |
| 09:12.10 | ant_work | I remember having battled with it couple of times |
| 09:13.00 | anarsoul | :) |
| 09:14.52 | ant_work | <ant__in fact I'm thinking about dropping udev> |
| 09:15.01 | ant_work | really, we could live with devtmpfs |
| 09:15.36 | ant_work | now we have all the CGROUPS stuff just because of udev |
| 09:16.05 | anarsoul | yeah, we could |
| 09:17.56 | anarsoul | udev on a device like this is just a waste of memory/cpu time |
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| 10:03.02 | muppe | Hello there. Does anyone now which package contains weston demos (like weston-gears etc.)? The basic wayland/weston setup just gives me weston, weston-info, weston-launch and weston-terminal. |
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| 12:02.00 | Crofton|work | I hate holidays! |
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| 12:03.55 | ant_work | Phil, shut up and enjoy |
| 12:04.00 | ant_work | ;) |
| 12:04.11 | Crofton|work | :) |
| 12:04.32 | ant_work | don't miss the Android vs. armv7 SWP thread |
| 12:04.37 | ant_work | if you have free time |
| 12:04.47 | Crofton|work | lakml? |
| 12:04.48 | ant_work | it's already 49 posts and it's 4th july |
| 12:04.51 | ant_work | yes |
| 12:05.38 | ant_work | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2014-July/268504.html |
| 12:11.51 | broonie | ant_work: Relatively few of the people there are in the US! |
| 12:17.52 | ant_work | ^_^ |
| 12:18.35 | ant_work | broonie: really one single patch over vanilla and Android boots? wow |
| 12:18.43 | ant_work | unexpected |
| 12:19.59 | broonie | ant_work: Most of the trick is device support. |
| 12:26.04 | ant_work | Crofton|work: one of last RMK posts is even summoning Linus T. |
| 12:26.11 | ant_work | that's th enuclear strike |
| 12:26.12 | Crofton|work | omg |
| 12:26.26 | Crofton|work | I saw ones where they suggested that would be like summoning Sauron |
| 12:26.34 | ant_work | he he |
| 12:27.00 | Crofton|work | mru is arguing with rmk again |
| 12:28.12 | ant_work | yea, uncomfortable |
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| 12:33.51 | Crofton|work | someone from .us should complain to rmk about arguing on a .us holilday |
| 12:35.50 | mckoan | Crofton|work: LOL |
| 12:36.12 | Crofton|work | as I recall someone mentioned he complained about people emailing on a weekend :) |
| 12:39.56 | koen | heh |
| 12:39.57 | koen | SWP |
| 12:40.11 | koen | that was discussed at lenght during connect macau as well |
| 12:40.18 | mckoan | Crofton|work: I've got to know about his ways a bit 'rough' when I was working with StrongArm in 2002 ;-) |
| 12:41.54 | ant_work | arguing with him is a problem because he's mostly right ;) |
| 12:43.09 | koen | "Asking them all to |
| 12:43.10 | koen | recompile is not feasible" |
| 12:43.12 | koen | hahahaha |
| 12:43.26 | koen | android sucks, news at 11 |
| 12:44.22 | Crofton|work | I figure the handset manufacturers want you to replace your handset every year anyway |
| 12:49.46 | koen | and you still get a 2 year old android version with it |
| 12:50.55 | ant_work | I don't own any A. device atm but I guess when you upgrade the 'firmware' you upgrade both kernel + userspace |
| 12:51.11 | ant_work | or is it perverswely done? |
| 12:51.51 | ant_work | and for the apps in the store, well, how many stores? you can count on one hand |
| 12:52.19 | koen | there are a lot of app stores |
| 12:52.28 | koen | but only one official google store |
| 12:52.36 | ant_work | really? didn't know |
| 12:54.12 | anarsoul | heh, it's expected that some old apps aren't work on newer device and/or firmware |
| 12:54.33 | anarsoul | (for Android, of course) |
| 12:54.52 | ant_work | Apple is more drastic with that |
| 12:55.02 | ant_work | and the devices are much more expensive |
| 12:55.11 | ant_work | (in the past at least) |
| 12:56.18 | ant_work | people wanting to sell to owners of ios6 or ios7 had to recompile the older apps |
| 12:56.31 | ant_work | end |
| 12:56.45 | anarsoul | what I want to say is that there won't be armv8 android for already released versions of android |
| 12:56.48 | anarsoul | i.e. for 4.4 |
| 12:57.13 | koen | http://releases.linaro.org/14.06/android/images/armv8-android-juno-lsk |
| 12:57.23 | koen | that's android64 4.4.3 |
| 12:57.27 | anarsoul | they'll probably release 5.0 for armv8, so it's ok to say to devs "you have to recompile your apps to make them work with android v5" |
| 12:57.53 | anarsoul | koen: are there any android devices in production with armv8 cpu? |
| 12:58.46 | koen | none for sale |
| 12:58.57 | koen | the only armv8 device you can buy is the iphone 5s |
| 12:59.20 | koen | the server type stuff is still "call us, we'll give you a quote" |
| 12:59.41 | koen | maybe in a few weeks you can buy armv8 phones in china |
| 13:02.54 | anarsoul | koen: so it's only a matter of bumping sdk version or whatever they have |
| 13:03.27 | anarsoul | instead of messing with kernel and introducing emulation of not-anymore-supported instructions |
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| 14:44.09 | ant_work | anarsoul: btw "If 64MB or less, then we need to start udev daemon with parameter --children-max=1, which will effectively disable all parallel processing" |
| 14:45.31 | ant_work | that seems for systemd, though |
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| 15:37.02 | anarsoul | ant_work: oh, ok |
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| 21:04.17 | anarsoul | ant__: so, did my patch fix ts calibration for your device? |
| 21:04.26 | ant__ | hi |
| 21:04.31 | ant__ | still battling with OOM |
| 21:04.49 | anarsoul | single-threaded udev didn't help? |
| 21:05.03 | ant__ | I've tried first disabling udev-cache |
| 21:05.10 | ant__ | in not enough :/ |
| 21:06.47 | anarsoul | so, basically rootfs built by oe-core isn't bootable on machines with 64mb or less ram? |
| 21:08.20 | ant__ | http://pastebin.com/qRAYstC5 |
| 21:08.47 | ant__ | see, using oe-core alone and core-image-* I didn't hit that issues |
| 21:08.59 | ant__ | besides, there is a new one |
| 21:09.15 | ant__ | Cannot open `/mnt/boot/zImage': No such file or directory |
| 21:09.28 | ant__ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 lug 4 00:31 zImage -> /boot/zImage-3.14.5-yocto-standard |
| 21:09.36 | ant__ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2108008 lug 3 23:26 zImage-3.14.5-yocto-standard |
| 21:09.40 | ant__ | this doesn't boot |
| 21:09.57 | ant__ | plian symlink like this is ok |
| 21:09.57 | ant__ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 lug 4 22:50 zImage -> zImage-3.14.5-yocto-standard |
| 21:10.17 | ant__ | I guess there is some toxic change in oe-core wrt kernel symlinks |
| 21:10.52 | anarsoul | 14mb for qpe? |
| 21:11.16 | ant__ | has not yet started |
| 21:13.23 | anarsoul | what's the difference in init stuff between core-image-* and opie-image? |
| 21:13.47 | ant__ | default in oe-core is still sysvinit |
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| 21:14.14 | ant__ | maybe some systemd contamination is coming from meta-oe? |
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| 21:14.49 | ant__ | I don't use that layer for my normal builds |
| 21:15.23 | anarsoul | ant__: http://pastebin.com/9UYux7D5 |
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| 21:41.02 | ant__ | anarsoul: here I've tried --max-childs=1 to udevadm control |
| 21:41.04 | ant__ | http://pastebin.com/3pFRkrp3 |
| 21:41.53 | ant__ | I have to blacklist mtd probing |
| 21:41.53 | ant__ | mtd_probe invoked oom-killer: |
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| 23:53.15 | Slyde | Hi everybody |
| 23:53.23 | Slyde | I need some help |
| 23:53.56 | Slyde | I am trying to build a simple console image for angstrom distro and I am getting an error on bluez5 recipe |
| 23:54.25 | Slyde | but I don't need this package. I would like to configure my settings to tell oe not to build it |
| 23:54.31 | Slyde | but I don't know how to do that |