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| 07:23.27 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 08:32.35 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 08:36.45 | mckoan | hi bluelightning |
| 08:41.31 | woglinde | hi bluelightning |
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| 08:59.56 | bluelightning | hi mckoan, woglinde |
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| 10:07.30 | heeen | is there an easy way to have two versions of a component in the build |
| 10:07.55 | heeen | like say I want to have qtwayland some upstream version and qtwayland the version we have in the build right now |
| 10:08.14 | heeen | without having to juggle local.conf and bb files around |
| 10:08.56 | bluelightning | heeen: not really, without giving them a different name - if they are the same name then PREFERRED_VERSION needs to be used to select the one to be built |
| 10:09.16 | bluelightning | (same PN, I mean) |
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| 11:24.04 | heeen | has anyone treied to do static code analysis from out of oe |
| 11:24.09 | heeen | *tried |
| 11:24.21 | heeen | like http://clang-analyzer.llvm.org/ |
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| 12:17.55 | bryan_ | Hi, does anybody worked on open embedded classic to support Citrix Receiver 13 |
| 12:18.10 | bryan_ | bitbake |
| 12:18.19 | woglinde | ? |
| 12:19.04 | bryan_ | we need to build a OS image where we need to run Citrix ICAClient 13 version |
| 12:19.26 | woglinde | bitbake is a tool to read recipes and classes and do something |
| 12:19.30 | bryan_ | we are able to do it using OE-CORE |
| 12:19.42 | woglinde | than use oe-core |
| 12:19.48 | woglinde | there is no support for classic |
| 12:19.53 | bryan_ | as it contains latest packages which required by ICAClient 13 |
| 12:20.05 | bryan_ | but now we need to do it using for OE-Classic |
| 12:20.15 | woglinde | why? |
| 12:20.20 | woglinde | you will not be happy |
| 12:21.00 | bryan_ | to provide support of latest receiver on old product having OS image built through oe-classic |
| 12:21.50 | bryan_ | if u have any idea how can we compile latest recipes of oe-core on oe-classic |
| 12:22.10 | bryan_ | and ofcourse there bitbake would be different version |
| 12:22.12 | Crofton|work | bryan_, basically, you will need to backport the recipe to classic |
| 12:22.17 | bryan_ | yes |
| 12:22.37 | Crofton|work | I think most people have been forward porting old recipes to oe-core |
| 12:22.56 | Crofton|work | the number of people using classic is shrinking |
| 12:23.15 | bryan_ | e.g. gtk+2.20.1 & above, glibc-2.11.3 & above |
| 12:23.52 | bryan_ | yes we know but we need to do it for one existing product |
| 12:24.19 | bryan_ | ICAClient 13 require latest gtk and glibc support |
| 12:24.28 | bryan_ | while we have old one compiled |
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| 12:28.59 | bryan_ | where can we find recipes for gtk+2.20.1 & above, glibc-2.11.3 & above for openembedded -classic version |
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| 12:30.51 | bluelightning | basically what is in OE-Classic is all we have: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/recipes/gtk+ |
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| 14:59.51 | nerdboy | moin |
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| 15:42.06 | bluelightning | just a reminder, the OE TSC public meeting starts in this channel in just under 20 minutes; all are welcome to participate |
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| 15:44.03 | nerdboy | bluelightning: did you bring donuts? |
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| 15:44.25 | bluelightning | nerdboy: I didn't, sorry :) |
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| 16:00.05 | fabo | khem: around? |
| 16:00.48 | fray | time for the first OE-TSC meeting in a while? |
| 16:00.59 | bluelightning | ok, so who is here? khem, koen, RP, fray ? |
| 16:01.11 | bluelightning | I guess fray is here... |
| 16:01.18 | fabo | koen is on vac so I doubt he's around |
| 16:01.27 | bluelightning | fabo: ok, thanks |
| 16:01.44 | bluelightning | I think jefro is sick so I guess I can record some minutes |
| 16:02.51 | bluelightning | AFAIK khem should be here shortly |
| 16:02.53 | bluelightning | anyone have anything they would like to raise while we're waiting? |
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| 16:05.17 | fray_tsc | ...so very quiet... :) everyone still in vacation mode (or just catching up from the summer vacations) ;) |
| 16:05.25 | bluelightning | possibly yes |
| 16:05.35 | RP | is here |
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| 16:05.40 | fray_tsc | :) |
| 16:05.51 | bluelightning | hi RP, Jefro |
| 16:06.09 | Jefro | good morning TSC |
| 16:06.11 | bluelightning | Jefro: hope you're feeling OK? |
| 16:06.28 | Jefro | bluelightning thanks - not at all actually, I'll just watch from the corner |
| 16:06.42 | bluelightning | Jefro: ok, no worries |
| 16:07.41 | bluelightning | so I don't have an agenda prepared for this meeting |
| 16:08.41 | fray_tsc | I figure we'll do the quick what have we been doing, whats coming up (soon).. and then open the floor |
| 16:09.00 | bluelightning | sounds good |
| 16:09.11 | fray_tsc | So what have we been doing then? :) |
| 16:09.12 | bluelightning | RP: would you mind giving us a status update? |
| 16:09.17 | RP | bluelightning: sure |
| 16:09.20 | bluelightning | for OE-Core that is |
| 16:09.34 | RP | Basically, we're past the feature freeze point and now into stablisation |
| 16:09.58 | RP | There are some patches pending which are still in the final review cycles but we're pretty close to release |
| 16:10.10 | RP | we don't have a lot of bugfixes coming in as yet though :/ |
| 16:10.42 | fray_tsc | I know I'm still trying to keep up.... :) |
| 16:10.51 | khem | I am here |
| 16:10.55 | bluelightning | hi khem |
| 16:10.56 | RP | any questions? |
| 16:11.06 | RP | or anything anyone wants me to go into more detail on |
| 16:11.21 | fray_tsc | I think the biggest recent change has been the eglibc 2.19 -> glibc 2.20 switch.. (and for those that don't know, they're compatible and there shouldn't have to be anything for you to change) ;) |
| 16:11.39 | RP | I did merge the eglibc -> glibc very late but in the end decided it should go in |
| 16:11.53 | RP | eglibc is a dead end now |
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| 16:12.04 | khem | only caveat is that we didnt offer an upgrade path |
| 16:12.12 | RP | thanks to Khem's hard work |
| 16:12.18 | bluelightning | khem: a runtime one you mean? |
| 16:12.22 | RP | khem: yes, I didn't realise that at the time :/ |
| 16:12.25 | khem | yw |
| 16:12.49 | fray_tsc | I thought that had been fixed... (appropriate replaces and such added) |
| 16:12.58 | khem | yes, but we can submit that as a followup however, the gconv etc can be hairy |
| 16:14.12 | fray_tsc | ok.. any questions from anyone (or comments)? |
| 16:14.17 | bluelightning | it may be as easy as a few lines of python dynamically adding RPROVIDES / RREPLACES / RCONFLICTS |
| 16:14.24 | khem | Do we have any updates on locked sstate |
| 16:14.26 | fray_tsc | bluelightning ya.. |
| 16:15.04 | RP | khem: the patches are there, there is some discussion on them, I am thinking we should merge them though, assuming we can resolve the current questions |
| 16:15.41 | fray_tsc | ya, the only remaining issues are how to merge in some of the work on "read-only or error" sstate, and the external signing/validation stuff.. |
| 16:16.07 | fray_tsc | (I talked to the submitter this morning about it, and he is working to merge them together) |
| 16:17.21 | khem | for dev workflow this could help |
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| 16:17.34 | bluelightning | khem: it's definitely important for that yes |
| 16:18.07 | fray_tsc | ya locked and read-only [or error] are both very useful |
| 16:18.07 | bluelightning | speaking of dev workflow, the parts I've been working on aren't yet ready to merge; at this stage I'm thinking they probably aren't going to make 1.7 |
| 16:18.11 | RP | khem: agreed, its a key building block of that and I think it would be good to have in the release for that reason |
| 16:18.51 | khem | currently, folks want OE layers and sourcecode to have same workflow |
| 16:19.10 | khem | and are resorting to EXTERNALSRC heavily |
| 16:19.18 | bluelightning | what I will do is try to get the changes to existing parts of the core (those that are still outstanding, anyway) sent by EOD tomorrow |
| 16:19.39 | bluelightning | then at least it might be possible to add the rest on via an additional layer if people are interested in playing with it |
| 16:20.25 | bluelightning | khem: what I've been working on is kind of along those lines |
| 16:21.05 | fray_tsc | ok.. so does that cover the whats next as well? (I suspect we need to mention the bug fix "end" dates.. and release dates.. along w/ ELC-E |
| 16:21.18 | bluelightning | part of it probably yes |
| 16:21.32 | bluelightning | we should have those dates though |
| 16:22.24 | RP | fray_tsc: basically, next is bug fixing and release. We also need to start to think about 1.8 |
| 16:22.33 | RP | developer workflow remains the number one priority afaict |
| 16:22.42 | fray_tsc | agreed.. |
| 16:23.07 | fray_tsc | ELC-E is mid October.. so a bunch of folks will be gone for a few days around that period.. |
| 16:23.32 | fray_tsc | so I hope we have all of the critical issues discovered and resolved before then.. so when ELC-E is over the final build push can commence.. does that match your expectations? |
| 16:23.32 | bluelightning | fray_tsc: not just gone, but hopefully able to meet in person with other folks who are going :) |
| 16:23.38 | khem | yes, |
| 16:23.46 | fray_tsc | yup.. gone as in, probably not online and merging code.. :) |
| 16:23.54 | bluelightning | right, indeed |
| 16:24.08 | fray_tsc | (I'll be at ELC-E BTW) |
| 16:24.14 | khem | I have posted a followup for glibc now that 2.20 has been branched out |
| 16:24.21 | bluelightning | I'm not yet sure if I will be able to go |
| 16:24.35 | khem | so far I will be there too, unless germany decides not to give me a visa |
| 16:24.45 | RP | is planning to go |
| 16:25.18 | RP | fray_tsc: I'm kind of hoping we might be able to release before it |
| 16:25.38 | fray_tsc | I do too.. ;) but I'm leaving a margin of error in my expectations.. ;) |
| 16:25.49 | khem | I think something we need to think about it have editor itegrated into toaster |
| 16:25.52 | fray_tsc | so when should people plan to have all of their pet bugs fixed? First week of Oct? |
| 16:25.56 | fray_tsc | or is that too late? |
| 16:26.09 | RP | fray_tsc: yes |
| 16:26.15 | khem | someway for folks to use UIs to configure as well as edit code in future |
| 16:26.32 | RP | fray_tsc: at this point in the release cycle we reserve the right to release the first good RC we get |
| 16:26.47 | bluelightning | khem: we don't have plans to add that at the moment; it'd be nice but we really need extra help to do things like that |
| 16:27.12 | RP | khem: it needs developers to do it and there just simply aren't enough people with time to work on it to make it happen |
| 16:27.32 | RP | from a conceptual standpoint, we all like the idea |
| 16:27.37 | bluelightning | agreed |
| 16:28.04 | RP | technologically there aren't major issues either |
| 16:28.09 | RP | challenges, sure :) |
| 16:28.57 | bluelightning | the base is all there now - as of recently you can even start builds from toaster (though that code probably needs some stabilisation, it is merged) |
| 16:30.50 | bluelightning | ok, so if there's nothing further on that we can open it up to the floor - anything anyone would like to discuss? |
| 16:30.54 | bluelightning | don't be shy ;) |
| 16:30.59 | fray_tsc | ok.. got one thing (open floor conversation) |
| 16:31.06 | bluelightning | fire away |
| 16:31.37 | fray_tsc | recently there was a post to the oe-core list from someone complaining we've gotten to nit-picky to new developers, causing them to not want to contribute.. so my question is.. 1) have we gotten too nitpicky? 2) what should we change if it's a concern.. |
| 16:31.54 | fray_tsc | my PERSONAL feelings is we haven't gotten too nitpicky.. it can get annoying, but it's keeping the quality level up |
| 16:32.08 | fray_tsc | (even though I fall victim to forgotten upstream-status and others occasionally) |
| 16:33.11 | bluelightning | I'm not sure we've got too nitpicky, but I have been told that there have been instances where people have felt that review replies could be a little less terse |
| 16:33.36 | bluelightning | I also think that we need more people reviewing so that we can get any review to the submitter as early as possible |
| 16:33.57 | fray_tsc | I certainly don't disagree with either of those.. |
| 16:34.14 | bluelightning | if people feel like some of this is nitpicking, it's amplified 100x by such comments coming back a week or two after the patch has been sent |
| 16:35.13 | bluelightning | anyone can reply reviewing patches on the mailing list and I would encourage everyone that feels inclined to do so |
| 16:35.20 | fray_tsc | are we at a point in the YP where (post 1.7) we need to find subsystem "maintainers".. people who become more responsible for the first round of comments before RP has to look at it? |
| 16:35.40 | bluelightning | but if the submitter is someone who doesn't necessarily have a way of knowing better, please be polite ;) |
| 16:35.41 | fray_tsc | absolutely the community as a whole I hope is reviewing changes.. but I know I skip things in systems I'm not directly knowledgable on.. |
| 16:37.42 | bluelightning | right, I think we all do |
| 16:37.45 | fray_tsc | community feedback? |
| 16:37.50 | pabigot | FWIW: IMO the expectations for contributions to YP/OE are very clearly documented, and are reasonable and justifiable for preserving quality and |
| 16:37.51 | pabigot | maintainability. |
| 16:37.57 | pabigot | It can be hard for newcomers to calibrate their expectations for responsiveness and turnaround; I don't know of a resolution other than watching the lists for a while to see how things are done. |
| 16:39.03 | fray_tsc | my personal experience is every community is different.. in this one, if you don't get a response it's the submitters responsibility to ping asking.. (people get busy.. especially in the summer and near a release time) |
| 16:39.30 | fray_tsc | some communities (especially smaller ones) send and forget seems to work, but I tell the people I work with thats not the case here.. |
| 16:40.51 | bluelightning | I do hope we have at least the possibility to improve patchwork to the point where you can see what's happened to your patch |
| 16:42.44 | bluelightning | there's some folks here doing some work upstream on patchwork, I hope that will result in improved usability for us |
| 16:44.09 | bluelightning | if it were at least able to accurately track the patch queue (at the moment it misses some posted patches and misses the merges of others), and possibly even provide a way to notify submitters if they wish, that would at least cut down the pings where the patch has already been merged |
| 16:45.30 | fabo | some use cases are questionable. I do suspect you haven't been affected by one of those nitpick comments. |
| 16:46.40 | fabo | fwiw, I'm one the guy replying on this particular thread. as a contributor, I think we should look at both sides and obviously frustrations for both |
| 16:47.35 | fabo | I don't think it's acceptable to have a patch sitting for 2 weeks without a feedback |
| 16:47.56 | fabo | there's an obvious lack of manpower |
| 16:48.04 | bluelightning | fabo: it's definitely a balance, and ideally I would have to agree |
| 16:48.47 | bluelightning | re manpower we can only really hope to improve the situation if more folks get involved with review and maintainership |
| 16:49.49 | bluelightning | we're open to suggestions though if you have any... |
| 16:50.23 | fabo | I'm afraid there's no magic here. more eyes and people to step up |
| 16:52.57 | bluelightning | indeed |
| 16:53.22 | bluelightning | ok, so there's 7 mins left, anything else people would like to talk about? |
| 16:55.00 | Crofton|work | I'm late |
| 16:55.20 | Crofton|work | my only comment is we should all try to scan patches for obvious commit message issues |
| 16:55.31 | Crofton|work | since that rquires little expertise |
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| 17:01.10 | fray_tsc | seems like thats everything then.. |
| 17:01.17 | fray_tsc | thanks for the input.. |
| 17:01.48 | fray | goes back to his regular IRC client.. ;) |
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| 17:05.22 | khem | well we should look at gerrit |
| 17:05.33 | khem | for better patch workflow management |
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| 17:10.12 | bluelightning | khem: gerrit makes some pretty major changes to the maintainer workflow, I don't think RP is keen on it for that reason |
| 17:14.19 | khem | it doess but its a well known workflow |
| 17:14.46 | khem | It has good audit trail |
| 17:14.55 | khem | and good integration with automation |
| 17:15.10 | khem | so folks can really track their patch at each step |
| 17:15.30 | khem | right now there is no obvious links like that |
| 17:15.49 | khem | we see a patch is in master-next and whats happening with it there after is less obvious |
| 17:19.52 | khem | e.g. yocto ABs output would be reported back to gerrit reviews etc. are good things |
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| 17:25.33 | Crofton|work | RP, doesn't scale |
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| 18:05.41 | kroon | Anyone used nemiver+OE sdk's gdb, as a grapical frontend for remote debugging ? |
| 18:06.34 | kroon | Or does everyone use Eclipse |
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| 18:38.43 | dv__ | Jama sure has been off for a long time now |
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| 18:53.20 | khem | dv__: yes do you need something urgent ? |
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| 19:17.33 | RP | khem: fwiw I tried using gerrit for a different project recently. I have to say that whilst I've disliked it in the past, I now passionately hate it :( |
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| 19:18.04 | khem | RP: heh, quite opposite experience for me. |
| 19:18.07 | RP | I appreciate there are some good sides to it but they are outweighed for example by the horrible UI |
| 19:18.11 | khem | I liked the audit trail |
| 19:18.16 | khem | and verification builds |
| 19:18.29 | khem | the tooling you can automate with it is amazing |
| 19:19.03 | khem | but OE is not a typical project suitable |
| 19:19.12 | khem | for gerrit I observed |
| 19:19.20 | RP | khem: to be quite blunt, its irrelevant if the UI itself is no good |
| 19:19.49 | khem | RP: yes UI is not best but with 2.9 its lot better |
| 19:19.53 | RP | I didn't feel "oh, this thing needs some minor fixups", I just could not do what I needed to be able to do with it :( |
| 19:21.07 | RP | khem: I just checked and this was 2.9 :( |
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| 19:41.19 | khem | RP: hmmm I liked web interface of reviewboard to be more intuitive |
| 19:41.33 | khem | but gerrit I discounted due to value it offerred otherwsie |
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