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06:33.58tasslehoffkoen: been a while since I asked this now, but do you recall the latest Angstrom version that could/should work on Beagle C3/C4?
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06:34.26tasslehoffthought I was done with this old product...
06:38.38tasslehoffI guess my first question should be: should angstrom-v2013.06-yocto-1.4 compile on Ubuntu 16.04?
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06:44.46koentasslehoff: I fixed it a while ago
06:44.54koentasslehoff: but it might have broken again
06:45.03koentasslehoff: it has old thumb2 silicon
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06:49.53tasslehoffkoen: my current compile error is | gutils.c:(.text+0x70): multiple definition of `g_bit_storage' when compiling glib.
06:50.15tasslehoffI'll see if I'm missing some patches from upstream.
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07:44.46tasslehoffCompilation of gmp-native fails. Can I force use of gcc-4.9 instead of gcc-5.0 when it uses my host compiler?
07:47.42rburtontasslehoff: yes, set BUILD_CC etc.  Only known to work reliably in master, but should be enough for gmp-native.  alternatively fiddle your $PATH / symlink so that 'gcc' is gcc-4.9.
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07:48.56tlwoerner_hello berlin!
07:49.50shoraganwhere's the google doc?
07:50.37ndechttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1fDu0lw_BRh0fNXBByqM6OD_iiHwlsoA9D185Xpe1cUg/edit
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08:06.58LetoThe2ndtlwoerner_: hello !berlin
08:07.39tlwoerner_LetoThe2nd: it's very much !berlin here too ;-)
08:08.41LetoThe2ndtlwoerner_: i know :) it was menat like - you greeted us here in berlin, and i greeted you back in !berlin.
08:09.06tlwoerner_LetoThe2nd: :-)
08:10.42mckoanwunderbar
08:11.55tlwoerner_from the notes: "they took devtool and half of devtool" ?
08:12.11darknightetlwoerner_: not sure what was being said there
08:14.43tasslehoffok. so my problem is that an sdk built for 16.04 does not run so well on 14.04 (wrong libc.so.6 is the current issue). is there another approach than compiling a new sdk for 16.04?
08:15.16tasslehoffsince the ancient oe-version the sdk was built from does not compile on 16.04
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08:31.50joshuaglsomething just happened which has made the bridge fully useless, rather than just mostly useless
08:35.12tlwoerner_https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Cookbook
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08:41.50belenjoshuagl: hey, be happy. At least you have the bridge. I didn't even get that ;)
08:42.57joshuaglbelen: no? you're not an Ev member?
08:43.20belenjoshuagl:  o
08:43.25tlwoerner_the quality of the zoom app/plugin wasn't great, so i dialed into the phone number (via gmail) and it works better for me
08:43.33belenjoshuagl: that was supposed to be "no" :)
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08:45.25rburtonbelen: the minutes are being written in google docs in real time, that's how i'm following
08:46.13tlwoerner_yes, a huge thanks to Jan who is the one mostly filling the google doc!! :-)
08:46.28rburton\o/
08:46.33tlwoerner_dl9pf_: ^
08:47.31belenrburton: yes, that's how I am following too
08:53.02tlwoerner_i was on break too :-)
08:53.26tlwoerner_thanks for moving the mic :-)
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09:30.27Croftonshoragan, rocks!
09:36.59RP1Did koen really just say he'd create a fork but contribute back and that you need a single repo for users?
09:37.40koenYes, I did
09:37.50koenbut a top level repo, not a combolayer thing
09:38.29frayif anyone is on he call and would like a demo of the stuff, let me know... I can setup a webex later and give another demo
09:39.02tlwoerner_fray: the notes captured it pretty well, awesome demo, thanks!
09:40.29fraythanks
09:40.50tlwoerner_fray: i'm looking forward to testing it out
09:41.35frayI do expect people to find lots of problems, coding issues, etc...
09:41.37joshuaglfray: sounds really neat, I want to play with it!
09:41.46fraybut I'd rather get it out early and fix issues that polish it and have to redo it later
09:41.58joshuagldefinitely, do that
09:46.43tlwoerner_Crofton: +1 shoragan rocks (too many Jan's I had them confused)
09:47.45LetoThe2ndhands shoragan some extr metal döts for the great job
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10:18.24koendarknighte: link to my slides: https://goo.gl/qt3lKp
10:18.34koen#20 is the good/bad/ugly
10:19.52bluelightningjust dialled in, I can barely make out anything of what's being said :(
10:20.26bluelightningthat's better, thanks :)
10:20.29joshuaglbluelightning: big room :-(
10:20.37darknightebluelightning: jus tmoved the pickup
10:20.40frayjust let us know, we're happy to move it
10:21.36Croftonbluelightning, you have the google doc
10:21.38Crofton?
10:21.49bluelightningCrofton: I haven't opened it yet but I should
10:22.06Croftonyes
10:22.17Croftonshoragan, is doing a good job keeping it up to date
10:22.55joshuagla very good job, much appreciated shoragan
10:23.14tlwoerner_shoragan: +1
10:23.16darknighteindeed.  +1 shoragan
10:24.03bluelightningsorry I missed the devtool discussion
10:24.58Croftonbluelightning, we understand people have lives :)
10:25.12CroftonWe are sorry we can't make things work for everyone
10:25.19bluelightningnot your fault :)
10:25.29Croftonclearly we need quantum meetings
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10:26.07darknightebluelightning: we just gave you all the actino items :)
10:26.22bluelightningdarknighte: great, I love challenges :D
10:26.50bluelightninghaving a hard time hearing Richard
10:27.44ZubairLK+1 for live meeting notes..
10:28.29fraywe will move phone in one sec.. I think conv is temporarily on otherside of room
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10:30.05fraysound any better right now?
10:30.24fray(talking about clear linux , extended attributes, etc)
10:31.05joshuaglI think folks are talking about things I did, but I can't follow it :-(
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10:31.13joshuaglclearly needs to check out the mender layer
10:33.41rburtoncatching up on minutes now, re the discussion on site.conf i've an evil hack where meta-ross has a site.conf with my global assignments.
10:37.29tlwoerner_no sound?
10:37.43tlwoerner_oh... just me
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10:38.40behanwRAUC is worth considering as well https://github.com/jluebbe/rauc
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10:39.30bluelightningok, I have to go right now so I guess that's it, but I'll read over the minutes later
10:39.32fraydid me walking around help?
10:39.35fraywe're breaking for lunch
10:39.45frayok good..  off to lunch, back soon..
10:39.49tlwoerner_fray: yes, immensely!
10:39.55tlwoerner_when are you back?
10:43.59bluelightningfray: FYI I am reviewing that layer index branch - looks ok, there are a few very minor issues with the commit messages but I'll fix those when merging
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11:10.49tasslehoffAnyone know what causes the "relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against protected symbol" error?
11:13.05tlwoerner_please let us know when you're back from lunch and setup for the 2nd half of the OEDEM, will the Zoom meeting ID change? or is it the same? (578998354)
11:15.50tasslehoffThought it was gcc version, but it happens with 4.8 as well.
11:28.16rburtontasslehoff: link order bad?
11:28.28rburton(especially with security flags or --as-needed)
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11:51.06tasslehoffrburton: I wonder if this could be related https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65248
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11:56.23zeddiitlwoerner_, I assume someone warned you we are back ?
11:56.36tlwoerner_zeddii: yes, thank you :-)
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11:56.50tlwoerner_zeddii: they did it on the google doc comments
11:56.56zeddiicool
11:57.33fraytlwoerner_ do I need to start walking with mic?
11:58.00joshuagl<PROTECTED>
11:58.08tlwoerner_fray: the mic is louder now, it's fine so far :-)
11:58.21frayok, ping me if you want me to walk around.. person talking is currently very close
11:59.04tlwoerner_fray: ok, thanks
12:03.06rburtonmy opinion re py/perl distro features is that sounds like a vast amount of work for little gain.  
12:03.18fraythat is my concern as well..
12:03.53rburtonif the goal was "don't have python in the image" then isn't there a way to abort a build if a specific package appears in the image?
12:04.13rburtonfor "still a build dep", live with it.  or add/use packageconfig to turn it off.
12:04.40frayya
12:05.29rburtonuhoh snipes from irc go into the minutes ;)
12:05.41frayonly limited.. feel free to change.. ;)
12:05.49joshuaglfray announced your comments into the room rburton
12:05.51fray(since I read your comment)  ;)
12:05.54joshuaglhe's some kind of IRC medium
12:09.42rburtongnome is debating meson right now and their conclusion seemed to be that every new upstream you package needs patching meson, so it's very much in development still
12:10.08joshuaglnice
12:11.58tlwoerner_esoteric/new build systems are the ban of build people :-(
12:12.14tlwoerner_s/ban/bane
12:12.21darknightetlwoerner_: bane of all developers?
12:12.26zeddiiwe could ban them!
12:12.40darknighte+1 ban the bane!
12:12.41zeddiiand all use emacs
12:12.56tlwoerner_darknighte: +1
12:13.06Croftonhippies
12:13.27joshuaglI always knew I liked you zeddii!
12:13.39behanwtlwoerner_: There are many build systems
12:13.49tlwoerner_nih syndrome
12:13.56behanwzeddii: Zealot
12:14.20behanwtlwoerner_: There are many use cases. ;)
12:14.24Croftonhmm, should troll with -EDUPLICATEIRCCHANNEL
12:14.24zeddii<esc><ctrl-x>zap-vi-users
12:14.49JefroI'll defend my use of emacs to the death, with my crippled, tendonitis-ridden claws that used to be fists of fury
12:15.43behanwzeddii: So many keystrokes to do simple things. ;)
12:16.13rburtonpeople saying emacs gives you tendonitus haven't used atom on mac
12:16.18rburtonALL THE MODIFIERS
12:16.27behanwJefro: There are many editors.
12:16.37LetoThe2ndJefro: angry bcs. of caffeine deprivation?
12:16.51LetoThe2ndi thought sugar intake during lunch was sufficient.
12:17.19behanwis of the opinion that editors are personal things. Whatever makes you code the best is the right editor for you.
12:17.23Jefroemacs made me what I am!
12:17.39behanwFar be it for me to tell you what your editor should be.
12:17.56joshuaglJefro: is that a warning? :-o
12:18.27Jefrojoshuagl: ha.. more like a confession
12:19.04behanwnow knows how to DDOS Jefro. Remove emacs from his computer >:)
12:19.26behanwrather computers (since DDOS)
12:19.36LetoThe2ndbehanw: was just about to point that out.
12:20.06behanwecho "rm -f $(which emacs)" >> ~/.bashrc
12:20.21fraybulldozer through your house -- need to make the universe a better place with a by-way
12:20.45Jefrobehanw this is why I always keep a backup copy of emacs
12:20.46LetoThe2ndfray: you probably meant s/bulldozer/RP/
12:21.17behanwJefro: Hence "which emacs". If it is in your $PATH, then it will be removed. ;)
12:21.26fraylol... na, RP doesn't hide the documents at the bottom of a drawer only visible at certain times a few glaxies away
12:21.27behanwI always write my scripts to be self healing.
12:21.52LetoThe2ndfray: ++
12:24.39behanwfray: You forgot the sign which says "Beware of The Leopard"
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12:24.47frayyes I did
12:25.56Croftonhttp://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=numpy
12:25.58Croftondafuq
12:27.10Croftonhttp://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=nodejs
12:27.36Marex*eyeroll*
12:27.43rburtonnumpy is fine - the pypy recipes *are* different, and oe-core has py2 and py3 forms, so its just meta-redhawk-sdr with a old copy
12:28.02rburtonlooks like about 50% of the nodejs copies are jama's problem
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12:28.41LetoThe2ndCrofton: actually the nodejs thing is not as bad as it seems. at least half is only containing the string as part of the name, and actually is not nodejs itself
12:28.54Croftonredhawk is all my fault
12:29.09Croftonwell, the overall project, not that specific
12:29.12Croftoncase
12:29.26LetoThe2ndCrofton: and another 4 or 5 are intentionally providing specific versions in meta-nodejs by imyller. so AFAICS i see only like 2 replications, which is not too bad.
12:31.00Croftonhttp://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=linux
12:31.11gourve_lHi! I sent a patch for daisy branch (an URL fix for python-cython) 2 weeks ago. I don't see it anymore on https://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/oe/patches/ ; Is it rejected or should I wait more?
12:31.16Croftonhttp://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=u-boot
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12:58.38behanwTartarus: I suppose we should talk here instead. ;)
12:58.49TartarusOh fine :)
12:59.02behanwav500 was getting grumpy
13:00.22bradfahe's just upset that bearborad doesn't run u-boot or oe :)
13:00.34tlwoerner_RP: is there a reason why the timestamps are in zulu (?) time and not localized time?
13:00.48TartarusSo, if we want oe-core to provide latest release, always, for U-Boot, it just needs to work on the qemu targets?
13:01.13TartarusI have a few HW platforms in my automated test farm
13:01.21TartarusAnd I'm trying to get more diversity in that
13:01.36behanwkoen is leaving. Time to volunteer him for $RANDOMSTUFF
13:01.42TartarusAdding more qemu is "easy" once I update the test hook framework to allow for that
13:07.55TartarusI guess you guys have moved on, please cc me on whatever comes out :)  Thanks
13:09.10rburtontlwoerner_: never noticed they were not local, the joy of working in the one true timezone
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13:12.11tlwoerner_rburton: haha!
13:21.50LetoThe2ndone TZ to rule them all
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13:24.00behanwTZ: You mean PDT right?
13:24.40behanwLetoThe2nd, tlwoerner_ : ^^^
13:27.18LetoThe2ndbehanw: MT
13:28.33behanwLetoThe2nd: And yet most of the world's tech companies/engineers are concentrated in PDT. :P
13:29.17behanwJust wait for the big one when the West coast disappears... Then MT will be on the coast.
13:30.09LetoThe2ndbehanw: MetalTime is not location based ;-)
13:30.57behanwTartarus: I was looking for a web reference for yocto ref boards, but can't find it.
13:31.05behanwShould be minnowboard, beagleboard, edgerouter for mips, and the freescale mpc8315e-rdb
13:31.58tlwoerner_behanw: https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-yocto-bsp/
13:32.16tlwoerner_and click on "Machines"
13:33.45behanwhttp://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-yocto/tree/meta-yocto-bsp/conf/machine?h=krogoth
13:33.50behanwtlwoerner_: LOL.
13:34.04behanwThat too
13:34.24behanwtlwoerner_: I was looking for something in the wiki or docs.
13:35.17Tartarusbehanw: OK.  Of those, minnow isn't usually a U-Boot one (but can be) and I have to look into edgerouter
13:35.22TartarusI know the 8315e-rdb is a pita to get
13:35.43behanwTartarus: U-boot supports x86 right? ;)
13:35.44TartarusBut if "yocto" can test on it for me, it ought to still work
13:36.02Tartarusbehanw: Yes.  I just don't wanna wear out my SPI flash re-flashing it a few times a day
13:36.06behanwTartarus: I'd suggest testing on arm, mips and aarch64 and call it done.
13:36.39behanwTartarus: Test via pxe.
13:36.46behanwThough that doesn't test the SPL I suppose.
13:37.13Tartarusbehanw: PXE doesn't integrate well enough with what I'm testing automatically
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13:42.05MarexTartarus: wanna take up u-boot recipe and keep it up-to-date ? :)
13:42.18tlwoerner_use a MAINTAINERs file! ;-)
13:42.49Marextlwoerner_: which one ?
13:45.12tlwoerner_Marex: a top-level linux-kernel-style MAINTAINER file in a layer that describes who is responsible for what
13:45.28behanwTartarus: Pity.
13:45.51behanwMarex: That's what I was hoping as well.
13:48.52Noorhello all
13:49.16Nooris there a way to check which encrypted packages are included in the build
13:49.39Noorany utility or any kind of thing that can be used with yocto
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14:01.06bachpNoor (IRC): What do you mean by encrypted packages?
14:04.19Noorbachp: the packages that uses encryption for example openssl
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14:08.31bachpNoor (IRC): I don't think there is any declaration of crypto. I assume you ask because of export regulations?
14:09.31tlwoerner_thanks for the phone bridge!! :-D
14:13.51frayw00t
14:17.44tlwoerner_fray: +1
14:17.52Noorbachp: sort of
14:18.37Noorin our office management is asking for a list of packages which uses strong encryption
14:18.59NoorI was googling it to find something which I can use but could not find anything
14:25.04bachpNoor (IRC): Sorry I'm not aware of anything
14:25.27Noorbachp: no problem :)
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15:03.05externlAnyone have any experience with dpkg-native? The recipe appears to put Dpkg.pm in a directory that perlnative does not check, making dpkg-architecure and friends unusable.
15:03.20externlUnless I'm missing something.
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15:05.05kergothperlnative won't show as up 'perl' unless the one running it inherits perlnative, of course
15:05.06kergothyawns
15:07.25externlThat's not the issue. Take dpkg-architecture for example, when called from the native sysroot it invokes perlnative. The issue is that it places Dpkg.pm in ${STAGING_DIR_NATIVE}/usr/lib/perl-native/perl.
15:07.42externlwhen perlnative is created, this path is not included as part of PERL5LIB
15:08.19externlYou end up with an error: "Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC"
15:08.37kergothhuh, interesting
15:08.55kergothsadly dpkg is a bit of a second class citizen in oe/yocto today, not a lot of folks using package_deb
15:09.03kergothneeds more love :)
15:10.22externlSee http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/perl/perl_5.22.1.bb?h=master
15:10.33externlPERL5LIB='$PERL5LIB:$OECORE_NATIVE_SYSROOT/${libdir_nativesdk}/perl/site_perl/${PV}:$OECORE_NATIVE_SYSROOT/${libdir_nativesdk}/perl/vendor_perl/${PV}:$OECORE_NATIVE_SYSROOT/${libdir_nativesdk}/perl/${PV}'
15:11.30kergothah, you're talking about problems in the sdk?
15:12.12externlwhoops, wrong paste
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15:12.49externlI meant http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/perl/perl-native_5.22.1.bb?h=master
15:13.02externlcreate_wrapper ${D}${bindir}/perl PERL5LIB='$PERL5LIB:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/site_perl/${PV}:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/vendor_perl/${PV}:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/${PV}'
15:13.51externlI suspect the sdk suffers the same issue
15:14.57externlWe don't use package_db but a user of our meta layer had dpkg-native installed. Our build system uses dpkg-architecure, hence the issue.
15:18.25kergoththat sounds problematic in general in a cross-compilation environment, but beyond that, yeah, ti's certainly possible the library search paths don't match up, but we do manage to create root filesytems with dpkg-native, so i'd investigate why that works if that was the case.
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15:22.22shoragantlwoerner: from the notes: "they took devtool and half of devtool"
15:22.31shoraganthat was half of bitbake, i fixed it now
15:22.41tlwoernershoragan: ah, thanks!
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15:25.58RPwonders whether that bit or bake
15:26.14RPwhether that was bit or bake
15:26.24RPmy brain is fried...
15:27.18kergothRP: Any objection to making an addtask referencing a non-existent task fatal, for 2.3? if not at parse time, at least at build time. right now you can addtask bar after do_some_invalid_function and it ignores that silently
15:27.50shoraganbehanw, did you meet me about rauc at ELCE? or was that someone else?
15:28.02RPkergoth: no objection. Its hard as addtask can be before the function is declared but there are ways to deal with that
15:28.52kergothyeah, i figured either at the end of parsing when we addtask from __BBTASKS, or later on when doing a build_dependencies
15:28.55shoragantlwoerner, also thanks for fixing up my typos :)
15:29.04RPkergoth: right, makes sense
15:29.35kergothk, thanks, will add to my list
15:29.36tlwoernershoragan: haha, your notes were what was keeping me fully up-to-date with all the mumblings :-)
15:30.19shoragan:)
15:30.29tlwoerneri didn't want you to stop to fix typos, it was best you plough on ahead with the conversation while i follow behind, reading, and fixing up
15:31.33shoraganyes, that workflow usually works pretty well
15:31.35tlwoernerafter lunch the mic seemed to pickup more of the conversation, before lunch i was only getting about 60% of the conversation
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17:14.11vmesonsuspects that they took the 'bike' and left the rest 'tba' -- ha, ha!
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19:43.04behanwshoragan: no not me. But I suspect you maybe spoke to mdp (Matt Porter from Konsulko) since he told me about rauc
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21:16.50tlwoernerwhat's rauc?
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22:44.43behanwtlwoerner: https://github.com/jluebbe/rauc
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