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06:33.58 | tasslehoff | koen: been a while since I asked this now, but do you recall the latest Angstrom version that could/should work on Beagle C3/C4? |
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06:34.26 | tasslehoff | thought I was done with this old product... |
06:38.38 | tasslehoff | I guess my first question should be: should angstrom-v2013.06-yocto-1.4 compile on Ubuntu 16.04? |
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06:44.46 | koen | tasslehoff: I fixed it a while ago |
06:44.54 | koen | tasslehoff: but it might have broken again |
06:45.03 | koen | tasslehoff: it has old thumb2 silicon |
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06:49.53 | tasslehoff | koen: my current compile error is | gutils.c:(.text+0x70): multiple definition of `g_bit_storage' when compiling glib. |
06:50.15 | tasslehoff | I'll see if I'm missing some patches from upstream. |
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07:44.46 | tasslehoff | Compilation of gmp-native fails. Can I force use of gcc-4.9 instead of gcc-5.0 when it uses my host compiler? |
07:47.42 | rburton | tasslehoff: yes, set BUILD_CC etc. Only known to work reliably in master, but should be enough for gmp-native. alternatively fiddle your $PATH / symlink so that 'gcc' is gcc-4.9. |
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07:48.56 | tlwoerner_ | hello berlin! |
07:49.50 | shoragan | where's the google doc? |
07:50.37 | ndec | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fDu0lw_BRh0fNXBByqM6OD_iiHwlsoA9D185Xpe1cUg/edit |
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08:06.58 | LetoThe2nd | tlwoerner_: hello !berlin |
08:07.39 | tlwoerner_ | LetoThe2nd: it's very much !berlin here too ;-) |
08:08.41 | LetoThe2nd | tlwoerner_: i know :) it was menat like - you greeted us here in berlin, and i greeted you back in !berlin. |
08:09.06 | tlwoerner_ | LetoThe2nd: :-) |
08:10.42 | mckoan | wunderbar |
08:11.55 | tlwoerner_ | from the notes: "they took devtool and half of devtool" ? |
08:12.11 | darknighte | tlwoerner_: not sure what was being said there |
08:14.43 | tasslehoff | ok. so my problem is that an sdk built for 16.04 does not run so well on 14.04 (wrong libc.so.6 is the current issue). is there another approach than compiling a new sdk for 16.04? |
08:15.16 | tasslehoff | since the ancient oe-version the sdk was built from does not compile on 16.04 |
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08:31.50 | joshuagl | something just happened which has made the bridge fully useless, rather than just mostly useless |
08:35.12 | tlwoerner_ | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Cookbook |
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08:41.50 | belen | joshuagl: hey, be happy. At least you have the bridge. I didn't even get that ;) |
08:42.57 | joshuagl | belen: no? you're not an Ev member? |
08:43.20 | belen | joshuagl: o |
08:43.25 | tlwoerner_ | the quality of the zoom app/plugin wasn't great, so i dialed into the phone number (via gmail) and it works better for me |
08:43.33 | belen | joshuagl: that was supposed to be "no" :) |
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08:45.25 | rburton | belen: the minutes are being written in google docs in real time, that's how i'm following |
08:46.13 | tlwoerner_ | yes, a huge thanks to Jan who is the one mostly filling the google doc!! :-) |
08:46.28 | rburton | \o/ |
08:46.33 | tlwoerner_ | dl9pf_: ^ |
08:47.31 | belen | rburton: yes, that's how I am following too |
08:53.02 | tlwoerner_ | i was on break too :-) |
08:53.26 | tlwoerner_ | thanks for moving the mic :-) |
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09:30.27 | Crofton | shoragan, rocks! |
09:36.59 | RP1 | Did koen really just say he'd create a fork but contribute back and that you need a single repo for users? |
09:37.40 | koen | Yes, I did |
09:37.50 | koen | but a top level repo, not a combolayer thing |
09:38.29 | fray | if anyone is on he call and would like a demo of the stuff, let me know... I can setup a webex later and give another demo |
09:39.02 | tlwoerner_ | fray: the notes captured it pretty well, awesome demo, thanks! |
09:40.29 | fray | thanks |
09:40.50 | tlwoerner_ | fray: i'm looking forward to testing it out |
09:41.35 | fray | I do expect people to find lots of problems, coding issues, etc... |
09:41.37 | joshuagl | fray: sounds really neat, I want to play with it! |
09:41.46 | fray | but I'd rather get it out early and fix issues that polish it and have to redo it later |
09:41.58 | joshuagl | definitely, do that |
09:46.43 | tlwoerner_ | Crofton: +1 shoragan rocks (too many Jan's I had them confused) |
09:47.45 | LetoThe2nd | hands shoragan some extr metal döts for the great job |
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10:18.24 | koen | darknighte: link to my slides: https://goo.gl/qt3lKp |
10:18.34 | koen | #20 is the good/bad/ugly |
10:19.52 | bluelightning | just dialled in, I can barely make out anything of what's being said :( |
10:20.26 | bluelightning | that's better, thanks :) |
10:20.29 | joshuagl | bluelightning: big room :-( |
10:20.37 | darknighte | bluelightning: jus tmoved the pickup |
10:20.40 | fray | just let us know, we're happy to move it |
10:21.36 | Crofton | bluelightning, you have the google doc |
10:21.38 | Crofton | ? |
10:21.49 | bluelightning | Crofton: I haven't opened it yet but I should |
10:22.06 | Crofton | yes |
10:22.17 | Crofton | shoragan, is doing a good job keeping it up to date |
10:22.55 | joshuagl | a very good job, much appreciated shoragan |
10:23.14 | tlwoerner_ | shoragan: +1 |
10:23.16 | darknighte | indeed. +1 shoragan |
10:24.03 | bluelightning | sorry I missed the devtool discussion |
10:24.58 | Crofton | bluelightning, we understand people have lives :) |
10:25.12 | Crofton | We are sorry we can't make things work for everyone |
10:25.19 | bluelightning | not your fault :) |
10:25.29 | Crofton | clearly we need quantum meetings |
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10:26.07 | darknighte | bluelightning: we just gave you all the actino items :) |
10:26.22 | bluelightning | darknighte: great, I love challenges :D |
10:26.50 | bluelightning | having a hard time hearing Richard |
10:27.44 | ZubairLK | +1 for live meeting notes.. |
10:28.29 | fray | we will move phone in one sec.. I think conv is temporarily on otherside of room |
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10:30.05 | fray | sound any better right now? |
10:30.24 | fray | (talking about clear linux , extended attributes, etc) |
10:31.05 | joshuagl | I think folks are talking about things I did, but I can't follow it :-( |
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10:31.13 | joshuagl | clearly needs to check out the mender layer |
10:33.41 | rburton | catching up on minutes now, re the discussion on site.conf i've an evil hack where meta-ross has a site.conf with my global assignments. |
10:37.29 | tlwoerner_ | no sound? |
10:37.43 | tlwoerner_ | oh... just me |
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10:38.40 | behanw | RAUC is worth considering as well https://github.com/jluebbe/rauc |
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10:39.30 | bluelightning | ok, I have to go right now so I guess that's it, but I'll read over the minutes later |
10:39.32 | fray | did me walking around help? |
10:39.35 | fray | we're breaking for lunch |
10:39.45 | fray | ok good.. off to lunch, back soon.. |
10:39.49 | tlwoerner_ | fray: yes, immensely! |
10:39.55 | tlwoerner_ | when are you back? |
10:43.59 | bluelightning | fray: FYI I am reviewing that layer index branch - looks ok, there are a few very minor issues with the commit messages but I'll fix those when merging |
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11:10.49 | tasslehoff | Anyone know what causes the "relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against protected symbol" error? |
11:13.05 | tlwoerner_ | please let us know when you're back from lunch and setup for the 2nd half of the OEDEM, will the Zoom meeting ID change? or is it the same? (578998354) |
11:15.50 | tasslehoff | Thought it was gcc version, but it happens with 4.8 as well. |
11:28.16 | rburton | tasslehoff: link order bad? |
11:28.28 | rburton | (especially with security flags or --as-needed) |
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11:51.06 | tasslehoff | rburton: I wonder if this could be related https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65248 |
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11:56.23 | zeddii | tlwoerner_, I assume someone warned you we are back ? |
11:56.36 | tlwoerner_ | zeddii: yes, thank you :-) |
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11:56.50 | tlwoerner_ | zeddii: they did it on the google doc comments |
11:56.56 | zeddii | cool |
11:57.33 | fray | tlwoerner_ do I need to start walking with mic? |
11:58.00 | joshuagl | <PROTECTED> |
11:58.08 | tlwoerner_ | fray: the mic is louder now, it's fine so far :-) |
11:58.21 | fray | ok, ping me if you want me to walk around.. person talking is currently very close |
11:59.04 | tlwoerner_ | fray: ok, thanks |
12:03.06 | rburton | my opinion re py/perl distro features is that sounds like a vast amount of work for little gain. |
12:03.18 | fray | that is my concern as well.. |
12:03.53 | rburton | if the goal was "don't have python in the image" then isn't there a way to abort a build if a specific package appears in the image? |
12:04.13 | rburton | for "still a build dep", live with it. or add/use packageconfig to turn it off. |
12:04.40 | fray | ya |
12:05.29 | rburton | uhoh snipes from irc go into the minutes ;) |
12:05.41 | fray | only limited.. feel free to change.. ;) |
12:05.49 | joshuagl | fray announced your comments into the room rburton |
12:05.51 | fray | (since I read your comment) ;) |
12:05.54 | joshuagl | he's some kind of IRC medium |
12:09.42 | rburton | gnome is debating meson right now and their conclusion seemed to be that every new upstream you package needs patching meson, so it's very much in development still |
12:10.08 | joshuagl | nice |
12:11.58 | tlwoerner_ | esoteric/new build systems are the ban of build people :-( |
12:12.14 | tlwoerner_ | s/ban/bane |
12:12.21 | darknighte | tlwoerner_: bane of all developers? |
12:12.26 | zeddii | we could ban them! |
12:12.40 | darknighte | +1 ban the bane! |
12:12.41 | zeddii | and all use emacs |
12:12.56 | tlwoerner_ | darknighte: +1 |
12:13.06 | Crofton | hippies |
12:13.27 | joshuagl | I always knew I liked you zeddii! |
12:13.39 | behanw | tlwoerner_: There are many build systems |
12:13.49 | tlwoerner_ | nih syndrome |
12:13.56 | behanw | zeddii: Zealot |
12:14.20 | behanw | tlwoerner_: There are many use cases. ;) |
12:14.24 | Crofton | hmm, should troll with -EDUPLICATEIRCCHANNEL |
12:14.24 | zeddii | <esc><ctrl-x>zap-vi-users |
12:14.49 | Jefro | I'll defend my use of emacs to the death, with my crippled, tendonitis-ridden claws that used to be fists of fury |
12:15.43 | behanw | zeddii: So many keystrokes to do simple things. ;) |
12:16.13 | rburton | people saying emacs gives you tendonitus haven't used atom on mac |
12:16.18 | rburton | ALL THE MODIFIERS |
12:16.27 | behanw | Jefro: There are many editors. |
12:16.37 | LetoThe2nd | Jefro: angry bcs. of caffeine deprivation? |
12:16.51 | LetoThe2nd | i thought sugar intake during lunch was sufficient. |
12:17.19 | behanw | is of the opinion that editors are personal things. Whatever makes you code the best is the right editor for you. |
12:17.23 | Jefro | emacs made me what I am! |
12:17.39 | behanw | Far be it for me to tell you what your editor should be. |
12:17.56 | joshuagl | Jefro: is that a warning? :-o |
12:18.27 | Jefro | joshuagl: ha.. more like a confession |
12:19.04 | behanw | now knows how to DDOS Jefro. Remove emacs from his computer >:) |
12:19.26 | behanw | rather computers (since DDOS) |
12:19.36 | LetoThe2nd | behanw: was just about to point that out. |
12:20.06 | behanw | echo "rm -f $(which emacs)" >> ~/.bashrc |
12:20.21 | fray | bulldozer through your house -- need to make the universe a better place with a by-way |
12:20.45 | Jefro | behanw this is why I always keep a backup copy of emacs |
12:20.46 | LetoThe2nd | fray: you probably meant s/bulldozer/RP/ |
12:21.17 | behanw | Jefro: Hence "which emacs". If it is in your $PATH, then it will be removed. ;) |
12:21.26 | fray | lol... na, RP doesn't hide the documents at the bottom of a drawer only visible at certain times a few glaxies away |
12:21.27 | behanw | I always write my scripts to be self healing. |
12:21.52 | LetoThe2nd | fray: ++ |
12:24.39 | behanw | fray: You forgot the sign which says "Beware of The Leopard" |
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12:24.47 | fray | yes I did |
12:25.56 | Crofton | http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=numpy |
12:25.58 | Crofton | dafuq |
12:27.10 | Crofton | http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=nodejs |
12:27.36 | Marex | *eyeroll* |
12:27.43 | rburton | numpy is fine - the pypy recipes *are* different, and oe-core has py2 and py3 forms, so its just meta-redhawk-sdr with a old copy |
12:28.02 | rburton | looks like about 50% of the nodejs copies are jama's problem |
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12:28.41 | LetoThe2nd | Crofton: actually the nodejs thing is not as bad as it seems. at least half is only containing the string as part of the name, and actually is not nodejs itself |
12:28.54 | Crofton | redhawk is all my fault |
12:29.09 | Crofton | well, the overall project, not that specific |
12:29.12 | Crofton | case |
12:29.26 | LetoThe2nd | Crofton: and another 4 or 5 are intentionally providing specific versions in meta-nodejs by imyller. so AFAICS i see only like 2 replications, which is not too bad. |
12:31.00 | Crofton | http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=linux |
12:31.11 | gourve_l | Hi! I sent a patch for daisy branch (an URL fix for python-cython) 2 weeks ago. I don't see it anymore on https://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/oe/patches/ ; Is it rejected or should I wait more? |
12:31.16 | Crofton | http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=u-boot |
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12:58.38 | behanw | Tartarus: I suppose we should talk here instead. ;) |
12:58.49 | Tartarus | Oh fine :) |
12:59.02 | behanw | av500 was getting grumpy |
13:00.22 | bradfa | he's just upset that bearborad doesn't run u-boot or oe :) |
13:00.34 | tlwoerner_ | RP: is there a reason why the timestamps are in zulu (?) time and not localized time? |
13:00.48 | Tartarus | So, if we want oe-core to provide latest release, always, for U-Boot, it just needs to work on the qemu targets? |
13:01.13 | Tartarus | I have a few HW platforms in my automated test farm |
13:01.21 | Tartarus | And I'm trying to get more diversity in that |
13:01.36 | behanw | koen is leaving. Time to volunteer him for $RANDOMSTUFF |
13:01.42 | Tartarus | Adding more qemu is "easy" once I update the test hook framework to allow for that |
13:07.55 | Tartarus | I guess you guys have moved on, please cc me on whatever comes out :) Thanks |
13:09.10 | rburton | tlwoerner_: never noticed they were not local, the joy of working in the one true timezone |
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13:12.11 | tlwoerner_ | rburton: haha! |
13:21.50 | LetoThe2nd | one TZ to rule them all |
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13:24.00 | behanw | TZ: You mean PDT right? |
13:24.40 | behanw | LetoThe2nd, tlwoerner_ : ^^^ |
13:27.18 | LetoThe2nd | behanw: MT |
13:28.33 | behanw | LetoThe2nd: And yet most of the world's tech companies/engineers are concentrated in PDT. :P |
13:29.17 | behanw | Just wait for the big one when the West coast disappears... Then MT will be on the coast. |
13:30.09 | LetoThe2nd | behanw: MetalTime is not location based ;-) |
13:30.57 | behanw | Tartarus: I was looking for a web reference for yocto ref boards, but can't find it. |
13:31.05 | behanw | Should be minnowboard, beagleboard, edgerouter for mips, and the freescale mpc8315e-rdb |
13:31.58 | tlwoerner_ | behanw: https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-yocto-bsp/ |
13:32.16 | tlwoerner_ | and click on "Machines" |
13:33.45 | behanw | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-yocto/tree/meta-yocto-bsp/conf/machine?h=krogoth |
13:33.50 | behanw | tlwoerner_: LOL. |
13:34.04 | behanw | That too |
13:34.24 | behanw | tlwoerner_: I was looking for something in the wiki or docs. |
13:35.17 | Tartarus | behanw: OK. Of those, minnow isn't usually a U-Boot one (but can be) and I have to look into edgerouter |
13:35.22 | Tartarus | I know the 8315e-rdb is a pita to get |
13:35.43 | behanw | Tartarus: U-boot supports x86 right? ;) |
13:35.44 | Tartarus | But if "yocto" can test on it for me, it ought to still work |
13:36.02 | Tartarus | behanw: Yes. I just don't wanna wear out my SPI flash re-flashing it a few times a day |
13:36.06 | behanw | Tartarus: I'd suggest testing on arm, mips and aarch64 and call it done. |
13:36.39 | behanw | Tartarus: Test via pxe. |
13:36.46 | behanw | Though that doesn't test the SPL I suppose. |
13:37.13 | Tartarus | behanw: PXE doesn't integrate well enough with what I'm testing automatically |
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13:42.05 | Marex | Tartarus: wanna take up u-boot recipe and keep it up-to-date ? :) |
13:42.18 | tlwoerner_ | use a MAINTAINERs file! ;-) |
13:42.49 | Marex | tlwoerner_: which one ? |
13:45.12 | tlwoerner_ | Marex: a top-level linux-kernel-style MAINTAINER file in a layer that describes who is responsible for what |
13:45.28 | behanw | Tartarus: Pity. |
13:45.51 | behanw | Marex: That's what I was hoping as well. |
13:48.52 | Noor | hello all |
13:49.16 | Noor | is there a way to check which encrypted packages are included in the build |
13:49.39 | Noor | any utility or any kind of thing that can be used with yocto |
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14:01.06 | bachp | Noor (IRC): What do you mean by encrypted packages? |
14:04.19 | Noor | bachp: the packages that uses encryption for example openssl |
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14:08.31 | bachp | Noor (IRC): I don't think there is any declaration of crypto. I assume you ask because of export regulations? |
14:09.31 | tlwoerner_ | thanks for the phone bridge!! :-D |
14:13.51 | fray | w00t |
14:17.44 | tlwoerner_ | fray: +1 |
14:17.52 | Noor | bachp: sort of |
14:18.37 | Noor | in our office management is asking for a list of packages which uses strong encryption |
14:18.59 | Noor | I was googling it to find something which I can use but could not find anything |
14:25.04 | bachp | Noor (IRC): Sorry I'm not aware of anything |
14:25.27 | Noor | bachp: no problem :) |
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15:03.05 | externl | Anyone have any experience with dpkg-native? The recipe appears to put Dpkg.pm in a directory that perlnative does not check, making dpkg-architecure and friends unusable. |
15:03.20 | externl | Unless I'm missing something. |
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15:05.05 | kergoth | perlnative won't show as up 'perl' unless the one running it inherits perlnative, of course |
15:05.06 | kergoth | yawns |
15:07.25 | externl | That's not the issue. Take dpkg-architecture for example, when called from the native sysroot it invokes perlnative. The issue is that it places Dpkg.pm in ${STAGING_DIR_NATIVE}/usr/lib/perl-native/perl. |
15:07.42 | externl | when perlnative is created, this path is not included as part of PERL5LIB |
15:08.19 | externl | You end up with an error: "Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC" |
15:08.37 | kergoth | huh, interesting |
15:08.55 | kergoth | sadly dpkg is a bit of a second class citizen in oe/yocto today, not a lot of folks using package_deb |
15:09.03 | kergoth | needs more love :) |
15:10.22 | externl | See http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/perl/perl_5.22.1.bb?h=master |
15:10.33 | externl | PERL5LIB='$PERL5LIB:$OECORE_NATIVE_SYSROOT/${libdir_nativesdk}/perl/site_perl/${PV}:$OECORE_NATIVE_SYSROOT/${libdir_nativesdk}/perl/vendor_perl/${PV}:$OECORE_NATIVE_SYSROOT/${libdir_nativesdk}/perl/${PV}' |
15:11.30 | kergoth | ah, you're talking about problems in the sdk? |
15:12.12 | externl | whoops, wrong paste |
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15:12.49 | externl | I meant http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/perl/perl-native_5.22.1.bb?h=master |
15:13.02 | externl | create_wrapper ${D}${bindir}/perl PERL5LIB='$PERL5LIB:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/site_perl/${PV}:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/vendor_perl/${PV}:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/perl/${PV}' |
15:13.51 | externl | I suspect the sdk suffers the same issue |
15:14.57 | externl | We don't use package_db but a user of our meta layer had dpkg-native installed. Our build system uses dpkg-architecure, hence the issue. |
15:18.25 | kergoth | that sounds problematic in general in a cross-compilation environment, but beyond that, yeah, ti's certainly possible the library search paths don't match up, but we do manage to create root filesytems with dpkg-native, so i'd investigate why that works if that was the case. |
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15:22.22 | shoragan | tlwoerner: from the notes: "they took devtool and half of devtool" |
15:22.31 | shoragan | that was half of bitbake, i fixed it now |
15:22.41 | tlwoerner | shoragan: ah, thanks! |
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15:25.58 | RP | wonders whether that bit or bake |
15:26.14 | RP | whether that was bit or bake |
15:26.24 | RP | my brain is fried... |
15:27.18 | kergoth | RP: Any objection to making an addtask referencing a non-existent task fatal, for 2.3? if not at parse time, at least at build time. right now you can addtask bar after do_some_invalid_function and it ignores that silently |
15:27.50 | shoragan | behanw, did you meet me about rauc at ELCE? or was that someone else? |
15:28.02 | RP | kergoth: no objection. Its hard as addtask can be before the function is declared but there are ways to deal with that |
15:28.52 | kergoth | yeah, i figured either at the end of parsing when we addtask from __BBTASKS, or later on when doing a build_dependencies |
15:28.55 | shoragan | tlwoerner, also thanks for fixing up my typos :) |
15:29.04 | RP | kergoth: right, makes sense |
15:29.35 | kergoth | k, thanks, will add to my list |
15:29.36 | tlwoerner | shoragan: haha, your notes were what was keeping me fully up-to-date with all the mumblings :-) |
15:30.19 | shoragan | :) |
15:30.29 | tlwoerner | i didn't want you to stop to fix typos, it was best you plough on ahead with the conversation while i follow behind, reading, and fixing up |
15:31.33 | shoragan | yes, that workflow usually works pretty well |
15:31.35 | tlwoerner | after lunch the mic seemed to pickup more of the conversation, before lunch i was only getting about 60% of the conversation |
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17:14.11 | vmeson | suspects that they took the 'bike' and left the rest 'tba' -- ha, ha! |
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19:43.04 | behanw | shoragan: no not me. But I suspect you maybe spoke to mdp (Matt Porter from Konsulko) since he told me about rauc |
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21:16.50 | tlwoerner | what's rauc? |
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22:44.43 | behanw | tlwoerner: https://github.com/jluebbe/rauc |
22:45.57 | behanw | rauc - Robust Auto-Update Controller |