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| 06:39.58 | Letothe2nd | armpi\m/ O \m/ |
| 06:40.11 | Letothe2nd | armpit, even :) |
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| 10:15.43 | Crofton|cloud | urg that went better than expected |
| 10:17.02 | Letothe2nd | Crofton|cloud: getting up this morning, or what? |
| 10:17.22 | Crofton|cloud | laughs |
| 10:17.23 | Crofton|cloud | ELC |
| 10:17.41 | Crofton|cloud | still I missed finding the people we didn't know who use OE |
| 10:17.50 | Letothe2nd | hehe |
| 10:18.08 | Letothe2nd | i found it much more ploarizing than a physical event |
| 10:18.32 | Crofton|cloud | how so? |
| 10:18.39 | Letothe2nd | but, i think we've had extremely good reach with YPDD |
| 10:18.46 | Crofton|cloud | yeah |
| 10:18.50 | Crofton|cloud | that had a lot of focus |
| 10:19.33 | Crofton|cloud | what was lacking was randomg conversations outside the community, those were hard to find |
| 10:19.56 | Letothe2nd | well in RL, some things work halfways, others a little less, but hardly ever something is completely awesome or utter crap. this time, i've found the video presentations and all really, really good, and the rest of that conference system to be the utmost worst thing i've ever tried to log into |
| 10:20.45 | Crofton|cloud | well yes, there was that |
| 10:21.07 | Crofton|cloud | I think the intern worked on the booth stuff :) |
| 10:22.05 | Letothe2nd | no idea what the person in charge smoked, but it wasn't the good stuff |
| 10:23.59 | Letothe2nd | if I had to just throw around ideas, then I would say: in the virtual world, we are not restricted to piggyback YPDD onto OSS/ELC and should really try to ramp it up. |
| 10:31.14 | Letothe2nd | i mean, i have no insight into the manpower/financial effort involved. so explicitly just fantasizing: have an YPDD quarterly, one for each timezone group 1) oceania/japan 2) india 3) europe/africa 4) america |
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| 11:10.44 | Letothe2nd | Crofton|cloud: ? |
| 11:24.42 | Crofton|cloud | yeah |
| 11:25.01 | Letothe2nd | Crofton|cloud: usually you tell me where i'm wrong real quick, so i wondered :) |
| 11:25.08 | Crofton|cloud | the TZ shift idea is interesting |
| 11:25.14 | Crofton|cloud | breakfast |
| 11:25.53 | Crofton|cloud | The TZ canbe hard for presenters though. In my fantasy world, I shack up somewhere in the EU for ELCE to avoid gettig up at 0300 |
| 11:25.56 | Letothe2nd | Crofton|cloud: jsut speaking from my sessions and the folks reacting to it, a lot of them are in india or the middle east. we should really think of that as an "emerging market" for us. |
| 11:26.17 | Crofton|cloud | yeah |
| 11:26.38 | Letothe2nd | i actually don't think the TZ shift is so complicated. |
| 11:27.01 | Letothe2nd | given a little shuffle, i could totally present in all the cases |
| 11:36.45 | Crofton|cloud | especially for one day |
| 11:38.36 | Letothe2nd | eactly. at worst, its one time get up early or stay up late. |
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| 13:56.25 | khem | Crofton|cloud: for that we should have encouraged them to speak on channels |
| 13:57.13 | khem | newbies miss context and immediately feel discourages if a implicit contextual discussions are ongoing |
| 14:03.16 | khem | https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2020/06/cadmus-is-a-new-linux-ui-for-managing-microphone-noise-supression |
| 14:03.33 | khem | especially for aesh29 |
| 14:03.35 | khem | :) |
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| 14:16.41 | smurray | might be tougher on staff, but maybe having an explicitly named lab help channel and perhaps a couple of named topic channels might keep things more followable for newcomers |
| 14:24.07 | khem | jonmason: https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-arm/commit/?id=6f613362f3c1a9376a31a95f1751d59aa09947e9 added meta-arm to depend on meta-arm-toolchain I wonder if trusted-firmware-m should be part of common layer or is meta-arm-bsp better place for it |
| 14:25.48 | khem | smurray: long ago I was trying to participate in freebsd community, so I know how it is to be one that side of the fence ( and you see I am not in freebsd community ) |
| 14:29.48 | jonmason | khem: that was the discussion that was happening. The "solution" is to get multiconfig working so that there is no requirement to use that specific toolchain (and thus remove the dependency) |
| 14:30.46 | khem | jonmason: ok so for now I have to add that binarry toolchain layer ? |
| 14:31.02 | khem | I hope it does not interfere |
| 14:31.10 | smurray | khem: heh, I mean specifically if something's set up for dev day or similar again ;) |
| 14:31.53 | smurray | khem: I should have tagged that for Crofton|cloud |
| 14:32.39 | jonmason | khem: there are no deps in the toolchain layer on anything else. And Ross's highest priority is getting multiconfig working (until something else hotter comes along) |
| 14:33.04 | jonmason | I hate we had to do it that way |
| 14:33.09 | khem | jonmason: yeah, I am one hit away from dropping meta-arm from yoe |
| 14:33.45 | smurray | maybe put tf-m in a dynamic-layers dir for now? |
| 14:34.11 | Crofton|cloud | smurray: khem yeah we need to remember to use thinks like mattermost better |
| 14:34.23 | Crofton|cloud | won't speak teh name of the closed source option |
| 14:34.42 | jonmason | khem: hahaha. That is fair. I welcome feedback |
| 14:36.13 | smurray | jonmason: with my AGL hat on, it'll also be quite annoying there to need add that layer to the repo manifest if we try to bump meta-arm |
| 14:36.24 | smurray | jonmason: especially if it's just temporary |
| 14:38.06 | smurray | jonmason: imo might be worth some hackery to avoid putting that on people who don't need tf-m, e.g. dynamic layer it wrt meta-arm-toolchain for now, or some BBMASK hack |
| 14:39.33 | jonmason | smurray: I believe JPEW was saying something similar. My cheap cop-out is "patches welcome". |
| 14:39.58 | jonmason | I believe having tf-m in meta-arm/meta-arm is the correct place |
| 14:40.59 | jonmason | so it's just a matter of making it right |
| 14:41.28 | smurray | I'm okay with that, but perhaps just don't add that layer dep for now and document it being needed for the recipe instead |
| 14:43.05 | jonmason | meta-arm needs users to be useful. So if this is a show-stopper I'll do as you suggest and add a comment in there until Ross has a better fix |
| 14:44.24 | khem | jonmason: I think move the recipes that need it under dynamic-layers and it will magically disappear for folks who dont have meta-arm-toolchain in layer mix |
| 14:44.31 | khem | Let me hack it |
| 14:44.35 | jonmason | I also humbly request people subscribe to the meta-arm mailing list to prevent me from doing things like this in the future :) |
| 14:44.46 | jonmason | khem: sounds great, thanks |
| 14:44.57 | smurray | my bad, I wasn't keeping up this week due to ELC and YPDD |
| 14:45.33 | smurray | I am subscribed ;) |
| 14:46.31 | jonmason | smurray: not your fault. It was a crazy week. I think people thought that since no one traveled for the conference that they can make us do a normal week of work in addition to the conference. |
| 14:47.27 | smurray | jonmason: I tried to do some work, but there was enough multi-tasking just keeping up with the conf that it was mostly a non-starter |
| 14:48.10 | jonmason | I feel bad for rburton because I think he worked a full UK day, then had the conference until midnight |
| 14:48.51 | smurray | yikes |
| 15:04.39 | khem | Crofton|cloud: its not only tools, but also I feel like we have to be more welcoming and inclusive |
| 15:05.37 | Crofton|cloud | Yeah, we forget how we look sometimes |
| 15:08.25 | khem | jonmason:I sent a patch to ml, my builder perhaps is happier now |
| 15:09.05 | jonmason | thanks! |
| 15:09.43 | khem | feels like meta-arm janitor |
| 15:17.44 | jonmason | khem: more like meta-arm septic tank emptier ;-) |
| 15:17.52 | jonmason | rotorooter |
| 15:21.06 | jonmason | khem: if you saw the turds we didn't let out.... |
| 15:22.13 | armpit | hey! easy on my namesake layer |
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| 15:26.23 | jonmason | it's crappy because of the maintainer, and I've been chastised recently about being too lax |
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| 15:32.54 | smurray | armpit: what does meta-pit support? |
| 15:37.12 | armpit | smurray, all the bad things |
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| 15:53.59 | smurray | armpit: I feel I should make a joke about it being a BSP layer ;) |
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| 19:30.36 | Letothe2nd | armpit: do we already have a list for meta-pit? |
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| 19:45.50 | khem | jonmason: heh true |
| 19:46.17 | khem | yeah meta-arm{pit} ;) |
| 19:47.08 | Letothe2nd | likes! |
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